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Speaker 3: On Saturday, March twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, a hiker
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Speaker 3: was taking her dogs through the woods in Hot Springs
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Speaker 3: National Park near the intersection of Whittington and Black Snake Road.
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Speaker 3: According to US News, Arkansas is a relatively dangerous state
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Speaker 3: per capita. It's ranked forty seventh out of fifty on
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Speaker 3: their list for lowest violent crime rate, one being the
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Speaker 3: least violent, fifty being the most violent.
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Speaker 1: Some areas are safer than others.
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Speaker 3: Hot Springs Village, which is a gated community, has some
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Speaker 3: of the lowest crime rates in the state. But Hot Springs,
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Speaker 3: like a lot of small towns, has its dark side.
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Speaker 1: The Hot Springs.
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Speaker 3: Mineral baths and casino bring in a ton of tourists,
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Speaker 3: which brings a transient population to the area, and like
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Speaker 3: a lot of areas, there are disenfranchised people who.
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Speaker 1: Have drug addictions.
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Speaker 3: The most common crimes in Hot Springs aren't violent. They're
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Speaker 3: crimes like theft, including a lot of larceny, petty theft, shoplifting, pickpocketing, etc.
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Speaker 3: Followed by motor vehicle theft and burglary.
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Speaker 1: So the hiker.
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Speaker 3: Felt safe that day heading out to the woods on
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Speaker 3: her own. She said she'd always love going to remote
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Speaker 3: part to the woods, but on that day her perception
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Speaker 3: of the woods as a place of peace changed forever.
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Speaker 3: We got a chance to get her side of the
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Speaker 3: story for the podcast. The hiker asked that we not
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Speaker 3: identify her due to the horror of what she saw
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Speaker 3: and the fact that a killer could still be on
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Speaker 3: the loose.
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Speaker 4: Let's see, I had my dogs. I have three dogs,
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Speaker 4: And so you can drive downtown Hawk Springs down Whittington
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Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a little back road.
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Speaker 5: It goes zigzags.
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Speaker 4: It goes up over I think it's a music mountain
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Speaker 4: in the past, and then you'd come back out on
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Speaker 4: the Mountaine Highway and then you know, you can go
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Speaker 4: on to Lake Hamilton. So I was taken that background.
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Speaker 5: I had my dog.
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Speaker 4: There are some trails on that mountain that this is
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Speaker 4: not a designated trail. There's two places where you can
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Speaker 4: just kind of pull over. So I pulled my car over,
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Speaker 4: I let the dogs out, and we kind of rope around.
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Speaker 4: And I had been to this place before.
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Speaker 3: She went to an area she had been to many
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Speaker 3: times before in the National Park, a remote area that
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Speaker 3: had served as a dumping ground for trash in the past.
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Speaker 4: It's part of the National Park property. I believe that
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Speaker 4: one time they used to have it dumps, like way
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Speaker 4: back thirties or forties. So there's bottles, there's bricks, and
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Speaker 4: you can't see it from the rug. But when you
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Speaker 4: get back in there and you walk the trail, there's
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Speaker 4: a creek. You know, you can find kind of piles
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Speaker 4: of rubble and things like that. So we're just walking
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Speaker 4: around the dogs and I'm looking at my newest youngest
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Speaker 4: dog barks and I'm like, oh, what you got Because
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Speaker 4: they're squirrel dogs, you know. And so I go over
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Speaker 4: to where she's barking and I look, and I was
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Speaker 4: instantly like, oh shit, like, oh my god, Oh my god,
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Speaker 4: it's Annequin. What is that?
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Speaker 5: What is that?
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Speaker 4: And so I like crouched, I crouched down and kind
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Speaker 4: of looked, you know, all around the woods.
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Speaker 5: That they've never said in the public release.
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Speaker 4: They never publicly acknowledged what type of remains or the
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Speaker 4: state of their remains or anything like that.
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Speaker 5: They just said.
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Speaker 4: Remains were found. But she was just me and I
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Speaker 4: only found two parts of hers.
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Speaker 5: Which parts did you see?
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Speaker 4: I found her legs from the knees down.
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Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend.
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Speaker 3: Over the past eight years of making my true crime podcast,
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Speaker 3: Helen Gone, I've learned that there's no such thing as
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Speaker 3: Gonepod this Is Helen Gone murder. Line because the remains
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Speaker 3: were found on federal, land officers from The National Park
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Speaker 3: service showed up at the. Scene so the way that
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Speaker 3: it works with jurisdiction is that if the homicide occurs
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Speaker 3: inside the park, boundary which is federal, land THE Us
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Speaker 3: Park rangers are typically the first ones to. Respond The
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Speaker 3: National Park Services investigation To branch leads the. Investigation these
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Speaker 3: investigators are federal agents and they're highly. Trained they have
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Speaker 3: to deal with everything from homicides in the park to,
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Speaker 3: poachers property, crime and also things like people growing or
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Speaker 3: using drugs inside the.
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Speaker 1: Park their job has a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Challenges they have to deal with a lot of different
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Speaker 3: types of crimes in very large. Areas if someone is
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Speaker 3: arrested and, charged then THE Us attorneys. Prosecute very often
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Speaker 3: in cases like, this THE fbi is brought in to,
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Speaker 3: help along with state and local. Agencies when the hiker
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Speaker 3: realized what she was looking, at she was.
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Speaker 1: Stunned SO i was.
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Speaker 4: Freaking, out, like oh my, God oh my, god oh my.
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Speaker 4: God SO i gathered up the dogs AND i went
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Speaker 4: and got them back in a. Car and the first
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Speaker 4: THING i need IS i callised And i'm, like oh,
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Speaker 4: shit oh.
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Speaker 5: Shit off to the. Barn she, said are you?
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Speaker 4: OKAY i said. Yes she, said go back real quick
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Speaker 4: and take a picture and then call the. Police So
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Speaker 4: ramball's back over, there AND I i didn't really want to,
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Speaker 4: look BUT i took a. Picture and WHEN i first saw,
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Speaker 4: them they were laying like side by, side as if
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Speaker 4: you had just stretched your legs, out you. Know so
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Speaker 4: they're like laying. Them BUT i think my dog may
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Speaker 4: have grabbed one or touched it or smelled. It and
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Speaker 4: so WHEN i went back and took the, picture the
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Speaker 4: leg was a little.
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Speaker 3: Moved we're not going to reveal a ton of detail
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Speaker 3: about the crime scene to preserve the integrity of the,
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Speaker 3: investigation BUT i can say the legs were together and
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Speaker 3: out in the.
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Speaker 1: Open they were on the surface of the, forest not.
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Speaker 4: BURIED i didn't really. LOOK i MEAN i didn't look,
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Speaker 4: close you, know it just sort of looked. Bruising so
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Speaker 4: that The National Park service police came because it's The
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Speaker 4: national Park. LAND a very young officer asked me what was,
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Speaker 4: up and then WHEN i was trying to be calm
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Speaker 4: AND i feeled out my, REPORT i had a little.
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Speaker 3: Sketch The National park personnel did an extensive. Search it's
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Speaker 3: not clear if they found more body, parts because this
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Speaker 3: is technically still an open and active. Investigation though five
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Speaker 3: years have passed and there appears to be little movement
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Speaker 3: on the. Case photos of the tattoo on the victim's
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Speaker 3: foot were released. Publicly you could see a tattoo of
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Speaker 3: an anchor on her foot with some words next to.
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Speaker 3: It in one image that was posted on web, slus
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Speaker 3: you can see cursive print that reads and your feet
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Speaker 3: on the. Ground so that foot might have been part
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Speaker 3: of a larger tattoo that continued on to her other.
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Speaker 3: Foot given the limited amount of, photographs we can't be.
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Speaker 3: Sure the witness said that after her initial, interview THE
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Speaker 3: fbi called her to set up an appointment to come
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Speaker 3: to her, house which they did a couple of days.
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Speaker 4: Later So sunday we go back home AND i tell my,
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Speaker 4: Husband i'm going to go back over the mountain and,
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Speaker 4: see you, know what's, up what's going on over.
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Speaker 5: There, well they had the mountain blocks.
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Speaker 4: Like you could not access that whole section of the
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Speaker 4: highway BECAUSE i guess they were going to search, obviously
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Speaker 4: but THEN i don't. KNOW a couple of days, later
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Speaker 4: THE fbi called and said in a point and they
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Speaker 4: came to my house and they interviewed, me you, know
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Speaker 4: what happened and what did you see and all, that
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Speaker 4: And i'm sure just to see IF i wasn't. Involved you,
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Speaker 4: know at that, POINT i didn't know who it. Was
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Speaker 4: i'm a, mother AND i was just, thinking oh my,
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Speaker 4: god why DID i stop? There like WHY i found
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Speaker 4: her for a? Reason so that was my. Mission i'm,
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Speaker 4: like no one would have found her HAD i not
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Speaker 4: stopped that.
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Speaker 5: Day who would have, Known no one that would ever.
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Speaker 4: Known and so then this person's, missing And i'm, like
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Speaker 4: someone is wondering who is this and what has.
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Speaker 3: Happened after THE fbi spoke to, her she said that
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Speaker 3: she continued to be fixated on the young, woman what
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Speaker 3: had happened to, her who could have done this to
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Speaker 3: her and. WHY a few days, later the victim was
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Speaker 3: identified as thirty two year Old Page Autumn. White Page
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Speaker 3: white was born On august, thirtieth nineteen eighty. Eight we
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Speaker 3: know that she lived in The Hot springs general, area
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Speaker 3: though we don't know a lot about the time period
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Speaker 3: before twenty. Fifteen that was when she started to get
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Speaker 3: arrested In. Arkansas she would have been around twenty two
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Speaker 3: years old in twenty. Fifteen there were several agencies mentioned
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Speaker 3: in connection with the investigation Into page's. Death The National
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Speaker 3: Park service was in, charge though early in the investigation
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Speaker 3: they announced they were receiving assistance from other, agencies including THE,
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Speaker 3: fbi The Garland County Sheriff's, Office Arkansas State, police and
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Speaker 3: The Hot Springs Police. Department we filed for your requests
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Speaker 3: with all of these. Agencies they came back and told
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Speaker 3: us definitively The National Park service was leading the investigation,
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Speaker 3: currently and The Park service had all of the records
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Speaker 3: pertaining To page's case in their. Custody we did find
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Speaker 3: several social media pages that appear to have been created By.
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Speaker 3: Page in some of these, profiles she said she lived
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Speaker 3: in other, areas Including, Columbia South, carolina And, circe but
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Speaker 3: we have no way of knowing if that's. Accurate we
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Speaker 3: know that between around twenty fifteen and the time she
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Speaker 3: died around six, Years page was arrested more than twenty,
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Speaker 3: times mostly for petty.
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Speaker 1: Crimes according to court.
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Speaker 3: Records her, Mother, marcia also had a long criminal, record
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Speaker 3: including multiple arrests for. Drugs several people who Knew page
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Speaker 3: commented on social media That page also had a, Stepfather but,
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Speaker 3: again we don't know much about her family set up
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Speaker 3: or what she was doing during this. Time what we
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Speaker 3: do know from her court arrests is that she was
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Speaker 3: clearly someone who struggled with the law and with substance abuse.
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Speaker 3: Issues according to social media, Posts page had, children but
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Speaker 3: we don't know how many children she, had what their ages,
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Speaker 3: are who they were living with at the time of her,
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Speaker 3: death or who they're living with. Now what little we
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Speaker 3: do know About Page white we mainly picked up from
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Speaker 3: social media tributes by friends or her court. Record In,
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Speaker 3: arkansas beginning in twenty, Fifteen page was arrested multiple, times
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Speaker 3: mostly for small things like public intoxication and drunken disorderly.
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Speaker 3: Behavior there was only one felony on, record for residential. Burglary,
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Speaker 3: Typically page would be, arrested be sentenced to, probation and
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Speaker 3: then either failed to appear or to comply with the
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Speaker 3: conditions that the court had imposed on. Her then a
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Speaker 3: warrant would be issued for her, arrest but for long
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Speaker 3: periods of, Time page just. Disappeared she was one of
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Speaker 3: so many young people who struggle with substance abuse and
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Speaker 3: slipped through the cracks of the. System according to court,
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Speaker 3: Records page was five feet four inches tall and weighed
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Speaker 3: around one hundred and fifty. Pounds, Also page had some
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Speaker 3: other injuries that predated her. Death she had a missing right,
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Speaker 3: eye but the injury to the eye had happened to
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Speaker 3: her much earlier and was not something that her killer
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Speaker 3: or killers could have done to. Her court records show
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Speaker 3: she had an eye surgery back in twenty.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen now we have.
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Speaker 3: Heard through multiple sources that either someone Who page was
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Speaker 3: romantically involved, with or possibly someone she was doing sex work,
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Speaker 3: for or, both got into a fight with her and attacked,
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Speaker 3: her and that as a result of the, Fight page
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Speaker 3: lost her. Eye, again we have not been able to confirm,
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Speaker 3: This so what do we know what happened In march
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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. One we are trying to build a
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Speaker 3: timeline of what was going on In page's life during
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Speaker 3: that crucial period before her body was. Found as we said,
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Speaker 3: Before page's most serious crime was in twenty twenty a.
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Speaker 3: Felony she was arrested In april of twenty twenty for
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Speaker 3: breaking and entering a. Residence this was after a witness
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Speaker 3: saw her leaving a deer cabin in the. Woods she
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Speaker 3: was seen walking down the road In, Delight, arkansas with
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Speaker 3: a lot of possessions from inside.
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Speaker 1: That home in her.
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Speaker 3: Hands the officer noted that when he Approached, paige she
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Speaker 3: was extremely intoxicated and, incoherent and she was. Arrested, Eventually
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Speaker 3: paige was given a thirty six month suspended sentence and.
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Speaker 3: Probation On november, nineteenth twenty, twenty state investigators conducted a
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Speaker 3: home visit at the address That paige had given the
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Speaker 3: courts In, Delight, arkansas and according to court, documents they
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Speaker 3: were Told page no longer lived.
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Speaker 1: There according to the.
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Speaker 3: Conditions Of page's, probation she had to comply with several,
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Speaker 3: rules including abstaining from drugs and alcohol and notifying the
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Speaker 3: court if she changed her. Address so In february of
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, one her parole was revoked for violating these
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Speaker 3: conditions and a warrant was issued for her, arrest but
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Speaker 3: again nothing. Happened authorities didn't really take action after That
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Speaker 3: page fell off the radar again Until march, third twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: one When page was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct
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Speaker 3: and public. Intoxication this was WHEN covid was really ramping.
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Speaker 3: Up page appeared in a video visit On march, fifth
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Speaker 3: in front Of Judge.
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Speaker 1: Graham page ended up making a plea of no.
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Speaker 3: Contest she was set to appear again in court from
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Speaker 3: mental health hearing On april, ninth twenty twenty, one but
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Speaker 3: that mental health hearing never, happened and the last thing
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Speaker 3: related To page in the court records was an article
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Speaker 3: in The Hot Spring sentinel about her being found. Dead
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Speaker 3: according to court, Records page was ordered by the judge
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Speaker 3: to go to rehabilitation. Treatment page chose to go To Harbor,
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Speaker 3: house a rehab facility In Hot Springs National. Park this
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Speaker 3: facility is located right off Of Black Snake, road the
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Speaker 3: road her body was found off. Of so what happened
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Speaker 3: To page after she went to that rehab. Center the
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Speaker 3: next activity on the court document happened On march twenty,
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Speaker 3: second twenty twenty, one When page left. Rehab according to court,
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Speaker 3: Records page Left Harbor house that day against medical. Advice
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Speaker 3: why did she check out early and leave against medical.
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Speaker 3: Advice who did she talk to while she was? There
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Speaker 3: and did police ever go back to that rehab and
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Speaker 3: check the phone? Records was someone with her when she?
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Speaker 3: Left did someone pick her? Up there are many unanswered.
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Speaker 3: Questions five days, Later page's.
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Speaker 1: Body was found in the.
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Speaker 3: Woods the person who Found page's remains took a picture
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Speaker 3: of the legs before calling the, authorities which they have
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Speaker 3: shared with. Us we considered very carefully whether or not
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Speaker 3: to make any of this information. Public, obviously we don't
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Speaker 3: want to put any information out there that only the
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Speaker 3: killer would, know or to put our witnesses life in any.
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Speaker 1: Danger.
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Speaker 3: There it can be costs related to revealing, information and
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Speaker 3: we take that very. Seriously but at some, point after
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Speaker 3: five years with no progress on this, INVESTIGATION i believe
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Speaker 3: there's also a cost associated with staying. Silent so we
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Speaker 3: have to ask, ourselves as we often do on this,
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Speaker 3: podcast are we actually helping to protect the integrity of
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Speaker 3: the investigation by staying, quiet or are we.
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Speaker 1: Merely helping protect the.
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Speaker 3: SILENCE i believe that at this point the time has
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Speaker 3: come to reach out to the public with more. Details
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Speaker 3: law enforcement may or may not agree with, me so
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Speaker 3: we're not revealing all the information that we. Have we're
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Speaker 3: not making those photos, public and there are details from
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Speaker 3: them that we are not sharing. Publicly so WHEN i
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Speaker 3: first read about this, case given pages, HISTORY i was
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Speaker 3: under the impression that she may have wandered into the woods.
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Speaker 1: On her own and succumbed to the.
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Speaker 3: Elements but THE fbi made it clear this is a.
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Speaker 3: Homicide something else that the person who Found page's remains
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Speaker 3: told us definitely points to a. Homicide there was lime
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Speaker 3: found at the crime. Scene here's the hiker.
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Speaker 4: Again another thing that they did not relate to AND
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Speaker 4: i haven't seen, anywhere and SO i only know, this
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Speaker 4: pleasefully know this must supposed to people who did. It
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Speaker 4: was they put lime on her, legs powdered, lime and
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Speaker 4: that helps the. Composition it helps with fail like. THIS
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Speaker 4: i use it in my barn like for a.
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Speaker 5: Pope you, know it gets for the.
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Speaker 4: Smell but it was powdered powdered, lime so it looked,
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Speaker 4: chalky like they look.
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Speaker 3: CHALKY i believe that the lime could be a massive crucial. Clue,
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Speaker 3: Again i'm not going to get into the appearance of
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Speaker 3: the crime scene or where the line, was BUT i
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Speaker 3: do believe the lime could help us figure out the
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Speaker 3: identity of the. Killer lime is something that has been
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Speaker 3: used in many high profile homicide, cases mainly because people
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Speaker 3: mistakenly believe that it speeds up. Decomposition they're probably thinking
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Speaker 3: of quicklime calcium. Oxide, now quicklime is very caustic and
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Speaker 3: reacts with.
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Speaker 1: Water but the lime that you buy at.
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Speaker 3: The hardware, store which is the type of lime that
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Speaker 3: appeared to be at this crime, scene is. Different this
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Speaker 3: is powdered lime calcium. Hydroxide powdered lime can be bought
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Speaker 3: at stores like home. Depot it can be used in
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Speaker 3: gardening and, construction and it's often used a lot in,
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Speaker 3: farming often to camouflage. Smells, again this type of lime
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Speaker 3: does not make things decompose. Faster in, fact lime slows
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Speaker 3: down the process of decay because it's. Alkaline studies show
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Speaker 3: that it preserves the body more than it dissolves. It,
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Speaker 3: again neither type of, lime quicklime or powdered, lime dissolves bodies.
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Speaker 3: FASTER i found a study In belgium where they buried
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Speaker 3: pigs and human rem for six, months some in, quicklime
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Speaker 3: some in powdered, lime and they found That in all,
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Speaker 3: cases the decomposition was slowed, down not sped. Up rather
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Speaker 3: than turning flesh into, liquid which is what we see
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Speaker 3: in a lot of, movies lime actually mummifies the. Flesh
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Speaker 3: but lime does serve a purpose when dealing with dead.
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Speaker 3: Bodies it can help conceal the body by reducing. Odor
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Speaker 3: soldiers in battle used to use it on the field
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Speaker 3: to mask the smell of death and make it easier
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Speaker 3: to live. Around, today in, farming it's often used to
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Speaker 3: mask odors in places.
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Speaker 1: Like chicken, coops pig, sties and.
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Speaker 3: Horsetalls so if someone knew that lime could mask, odor
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Speaker 3: they might have chosen to use it in order to
21:26
Speaker 3: cover up the. Smell, this in my, opinion points to
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Speaker 3: an inexperienced, killer someone who was somewhat. Panicked another question
21:34
Speaker 3: that comes up for me is did the killer put
21:37
Speaker 3: the lime at the crime scene when the body was
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Speaker 3: dumped or could they have come back? Afterwards if, so
21:44
Speaker 3: was this someone, local someone who knew the. Area, well
21:48
Speaker 3: that's what THE fbi seemed to say in the very
21:50
Speaker 3: limited information they have released on this. Case shortly After
21:55
Speaker 3: page's body was, found there were a lot of rumors
21:58
Speaker 3: spreading on social Media some people said her body was chopped.
22:01
Speaker 3: Up others said it was. Dismembered some people said parts
22:05
Speaker 3: of it had been found in a waffle, house dumpster
22:07
Speaker 3: or in other. Locations, again there's a lot we don't
22:11
Speaker 3: know about this, investigation since it is an, open unsolved,
22:14
Speaker 3: case but we can say there has been nothing publicly
22:17
Speaker 3: confirmed about any other remains being.
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Speaker 1: Found another rumor.
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Speaker 3: That went around a lot In april of twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: one After page's body was found was could she have
22:27
Speaker 3: been the victim of a serial. Killer during that, time
22:30
Speaker 3: there were a lot of posts on social media talking
22:33
Speaker 3: about how there was a serial killer operating In Hot
22:36
Speaker 3: springs and alleging that the police were either under some
22:39
Speaker 3: kind of a gag order or covering up. Information but
22:43
Speaker 3: is there any truth to these. Rumors One facebook post
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Speaker 3: stated five dismembered bodies had been. Found another post had
22:50
Speaker 3: the headline five bodies chopped. Up but according to an
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Speaker 3: article IN Usa today and other, sources police have stated
22:58
Speaker 3: there was no.
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Speaker 1: Evidence to back up any of these.
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Speaker 3: Claims they have stated That page's case was a quote
23:05
Speaker 3: isolated incident involving one victim end.
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Speaker 1: Quote my question, is how do the police know that that's.
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Speaker 3: True do they have evidence pointing to the fact That
23:16
Speaker 3: page was targeted for a specific. Reason PolitiFact contacted The
23:21
Speaker 3: Hot Springs Police. Department the news outlet spoke To Corporal Patrick,
23:25
Speaker 3: langley who told them there is not a serial. Killer,
23:30
Speaker 3: again we go back to the few hints that law
23:32
Speaker 3: enforcement had given us in the limited information they have.
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Speaker 3: Released On april, thirteenth twenty twenty, one THE fbi issued
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Speaker 3: a press, release and in that press, release they did
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Speaker 3: state the investigation Into page's death was a homicide, investigation
23:48
Speaker 3: and The National Park service referred journalists who called with
23:51
Speaker 3: questions about the serial killer or the investigation Into page's
23:55
Speaker 3: death to this SINGLE fbi press.
23:58
Speaker 1: Release since THE fbi and.
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Speaker 3: Local authorities have stated publicly multiple times that there's no
24:05
Speaker 3: reasona believe this is a serial killer and the case
24:08
Speaker 3: is an isolated, incident what do we know about the?
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Speaker 3: Killer in the press, release THE fbi said they were
24:15
Speaker 3: appealing to the community for help to figure out what
24:17
Speaker 3: happened To. Paige the statement read, quote while we cannot
24:21
Speaker 3: share everything we know at this, time we do Know
24:24
Speaker 3: page is the victim of a. Homicide we are hoping
24:28
Speaker 3: to learn about the days leading up To page's death
24:30
Speaker 3: and are eager to hear from, family, friends, acquaintances and
24:33
Speaker 3: anyone else who may have seen her.
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Speaker 1: Recently end. Quote then they said something else that was.
24:38
Speaker 3: Interesting they, said, quote there is a strong possibility the
24:42
Speaker 3: person who did this continue used to work and or
24:45
Speaker 3: live in our. Community this individual likely has familiarity with
24:49
Speaker 3: the areas in Which page was last seen and. Recovered
24:54
Speaker 3: then they went on to describe what members of the
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Speaker 3: public should look for in connection With page's killer or.
25:01
Speaker 3: Killers they, said anyone responsible for or who may have
25:05
Speaker 3: had knowledge Of page's death may have exhibited changes in
25:09
Speaker 3: their appearance or, behavior including altering a physical, appearance which
25:13
Speaker 3: they described as growth of a removal of facial, hair
25:16
Speaker 3: change in hair, color cutting their, hair cleaning of, vehicles
25:20
Speaker 3: changes in normal routine including missing, work classes or previously scheduled,
25:25
Speaker 3: appointments displays of, anxiety, nervousness or, irritability intense interest in
25:31
Speaker 3: the investigation or a noticeable, disinterest or some type of
25:36
Speaker 3: unexplained knowledge of the, situation and, finally unexplained injuries such
25:41
Speaker 3: as cuts on hands or bruises they couldn't explain during
25:44
Speaker 3: the period When page was last seen. Again this would
25:49
Speaker 3: have been the time period between Around march fifteenth And
25:53
Speaker 3: march twenty first of twenty twenty. One THE fbi statement read,
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Speaker 3: quote every day we are gathering more information from the
26:02
Speaker 3: community to move this case, forward and the continued assistance is.
26:05
Speaker 1: Appreciated end.
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Speaker 3: Quote they went on to acknowledge that quote sometimes people
26:11
Speaker 3: who may have knowledge do not initially come forward because
26:14
Speaker 3: of their relationships to people, involved concerns for their, safety
26:18
Speaker 3: or they may not realize information they have is. Important
26:21
Speaker 3: if you feel that you have information Regarding page and her,
26:25
Speaker 3: death no matter how insignificant you think it may, be
26:28
Speaker 3: please share it with The National Park service end. Quote
26:33
Speaker 3: so what happened To page and who could have dumped
26:37
Speaker 3: her remains in the? Woods was this a plan killing
26:40
Speaker 3: or something that happened in the spur of the? Moment
26:43
Speaker 3: could it been some kind of accidental overdose and then
26:47
Speaker 3: maybe someone panicked and decided to dispose of her. Body,
26:51
Speaker 3: again THE fbi have made clear that this was a.
26:54
Speaker 3: Homicide and If page did die of something, else perhaps
26:59
Speaker 3: an accidental, overdose why would anyone feel the need to
27:02
Speaker 3: hide her remains in that way and potentially dismember. HER
27:07
Speaker 3: i want to also appeal to the. Public please if
27:11
Speaker 3: anyone knows, anything if you were in contact With page
27:14
Speaker 3: during the last few weeks of her, life or you
27:17
Speaker 3: know someone who, was please contact The National Park service tip.
27:21
Speaker 3: Line their number is eight eight eight six five three
27:25
Speaker 3: zero zero zero. Nine you can also report online AT
27:28
Speaker 3: nps dot gov SLASH, issb or by EMAILING nps UNDERSCORE
27:35
Speaker 3: isb AT nps dot. Gov we will be putting links
27:41
Speaker 3: to this information On instagram and at the.
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Speaker 1: Bottom of the.
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Speaker 3: Episode The National Park service also says people who call
27:48
Speaker 3: in with tips can stay. ANONYMOUS i would also like
27:52
Speaker 3: to appeal to anyone who Knew page or spent time
27:55
Speaker 3: with her to please reach out to. Us we're specifically
28:00
Speaker 3: looking for people who spent time at The Rehab Center
28:03
Speaker 3: Harbor house In march of twenty twenty. One if you were,
28:07
Speaker 3: there if you know someone who was there during spring
28:10
Speaker 3: break twenty twenty, one please reach, Out or if you
28:14
Speaker 3: know of someone who was acting strangely in that area
28:17
Speaker 3: during that, time, again please reach. OUT i believe that
28:22
Speaker 3: someone out there knows, something AND i want to say,
28:25
Speaker 3: again this wasn't just some drug addict who was just
28:27
Speaker 3: a case. Number no matter what Problems page had in her.
28:30
Speaker 3: Life she was a, mother a, friend and a beloved family.
28:34
Speaker 3: MEMBER i want her story to get out. THERE i
28:36
Speaker 3: want her family to know that there are people who
28:39
Speaker 3: care and who are still trying to find. Answers, then
28:43
Speaker 3: who Found paige's body feels the same way she felt
28:47
Speaker 3: that something led her To page's remained in the woods that.
28:50
Speaker 3: Day neither of us feel like we can rest until
28:54
Speaker 3: we know who put her.
28:55
Speaker 1: There you.
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Speaker 4: KNOW i just it just broke my heart Because i'm,
29:00
Speaker 4: LIKE i stopped here that, Day like that was. FATE
29:04
Speaker 4: i stopped. THERE i found. Her so it's LIKE i
29:07
Speaker 4: felt obligated to like advocate for, her you. KNOW i
29:10
Speaker 4: JUST i just wish that they would do. Something BUT
29:13
Speaker 4: i think because of her history and she was kind
29:16
Speaker 4: of a homeless, vagrant kind of.
29:18
Speaker 5: Drug user that they just generally give a, shit you,
29:21
Speaker 5: Know and that makes me so.
29:23
Speaker 4: MAD i, just you, Know god put me, there like
29:26
Speaker 4: he put me there at that place at that, time
29:28
Speaker 4: and so IF i, hadn't then she could have just
29:31
Speaker 4: been a missing, person you, know and then maybe no
29:33
Speaker 4: one would have even reported her, missing maybe nobody. Cared
29:36
Speaker 4: but LIKE i, MEAN i was so thankful when they
29:39
Speaker 4: said her, name and THEN i was, like, okay don't
29:41
Speaker 4: know who she, Are like her parents can know and
29:44
Speaker 4: and it will be, Okay and then you, know of
29:46
Speaker 4: course That.
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