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EP: 156 Indiana Energy Company Left Majority-Black Gary Powerless for Weeks · Humanity Unplugged Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, today's episode, today's episode 156, powerful storms knock out power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know if you've been on the rock or perhaps you've been sleeping in, work in so hard due diligence at the job,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and your children have been keeping you up doing homework, but it just got back to school, and just get back into the swing of things, a college or back to school for you, and your loved ones, maybe you had an elderly parent, or maybe you have a disabled child that you're taking care of, but in the news, in the news and around the world, tornado hit,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana, Gary, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a tornado that hit over there and level four of five complete devastation and it tore the place up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't talk about it here on the East Coast, but it is what it is and people are suffering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just so happens that if you look at the history of Gary and Anna, you'll find out that is 81% majority, black people have the majority over there and things have been pretty rough for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I did my research and look into this and look further and further and peel the onions, the different layers that I have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: seen and read about that the government of federal government has not declared a state of emergency for that region.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they did, it wouldn't have took two weeks for FEMA or any real support to go over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I stress to understand the negligence that has applied to the
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[SPEAKER_01]: application of destruction that hit over there at Gary in the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's a lot of people over there that are suffering without power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's really intriguing that we have military, five different military, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have guys sitting on their tails doing nothing, but basically going to school and garden buildings were nuclear warheads and nuclear reactors, but we can't get 20,000 men together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And go over there with some generators, with some couple of ships full of food and give
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's highly ironic that we can't do that, but yet we can go overseas and fight wars and stop Iraq and Ukraine and go over there and go along with the seas and try to take and block up the refuge of water and oil coming up and do all these things overseas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and try to bully people overseas and do things that affect overseas but we cannot take a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to have Trump be Trump, good old Trump be Trump, pull something together for the mighty people of Gary in the end of now I'm not saying help wasn't said I'm saying what took it so long I'm saying that why is it we got people out of power for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the United States, in Gary and the Anna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what that happened in California.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Los Angeles would go with about power for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Nevada
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[SPEAKER_01]: Las Vegas would go without power for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think New York would go without power for two weeks?
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[SPEAKER_01]: These questions I ask all the listeners to have a good understanding of what's going on in our world and our society, amongst our community, what exactly is taking place that governs such neglect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, the police, take a minute upon yourselves and look into this and check out what is going on in Gary, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, the mayor has spoken to democracy now, and he talked to them and made his statement preach to his sermon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gave them his opinion of what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, ironically, you know as a man of color and we're going to always of what they think we're always going to go to the race card because it's a fact that if it was a all white town or perhaps a all white community, this wouldn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We back to different that because of its all black
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we also, like looking to, why do you pay taxes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, why do you give money to a state federal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For things like this, to get relief for things like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they not have a emergency plan put together?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a crisis interventions plan put together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What took FEMA so long to go out there and assist them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it ever declared a state of emergency?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because these are the things that first has to happen for FEMA to really step in Or does it happen like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there other?
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[SPEAKER_01]: things that need to be done, other parameters we're missing, other stipulations that's not being impacted or filled out for that community get the so-called needed help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up with our government?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we really looking at?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would they really help in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it because so many programs
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[SPEAKER_01]: and all the cutbacks made by Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The agency just doesn't have the manpower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what is the cause.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who was in the record response or responsible for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they have some type of evacuation or recovery plan put together period for Gary and Ian?
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[SPEAKER_01]: do the people need to just start their own rebellion of getting things together on their own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People looking out for themselves, putting in measures and things together what they can say in case this happens again, I will be better prepared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all need to look at things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just a test run for the government to say what happened if we made this happen on a bigger scale?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it ironic that just two weeks have passed with no power and no one's really talking about it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything I have found about this is two minutes long, three minutes long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that possible that two to three minutes has only been displayed about such a crisis of thousands over 20 to 30,000 people go without power in United States and it's not on the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the bronze still time with Philadelphia 76ers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's all over the news still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're still talking about the next win in the championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what about these people out and Gary in the end?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they not deserve the same attention as we give for everything else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they not deserve help?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're always sending money out to Russia and we want to feed the homeless and we want to do this and do that and I understand the poll has just had a mud, you know, mud slide, you know, a glacier melted it, destroyed in 1200.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people are over 1200 people have passed away and I understand the term on and my heart goes out to them by all means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what about the people in Gary in the end?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I beg you to look into this and look and see what you see, what your I see, please leave a comment down let me
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[SPEAKER_01]: that may be the government just been neglecting the situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it feasible to say that maybe paperwork wasn't filled out properly?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why FEMA didn't get involved earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as we look into this and we look at the different layers and we pull it back, I want you to keep an open mind set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said all that to get you aware of all the different stipulations or possibilities that are there that you can look into on your own and do your own due diligence to find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is really going on in Gary, Indiana?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, your main equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a man of the own plug.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna get right into it and let you see a couple of things, here are a couple of things, and you take your own opinion on the factor of what's going on in Gary, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it could have been avoided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we could, we turn now to Gary, Indiana, where thousands of residents recently spent two weeks without power following a storm that rip through the majority of Black City.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana Governor Mike Brown and others have called for investigations into why it took the private utility company, Northern Indiana Public Service Company, Nipsco, so long for power to be restored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nipsco is privately owned and partially owned by Blackstone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Black out in...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have a heart of Blackstone, but do you research?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blackstone is a very, very big, big, major, major, major, major, major, major company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blackstone is heavy money, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Heavy money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Heavy money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blackstone is really major, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Packed all aspects of life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From residents being trapped in apartments to gas stations running out of fuel to grocery stores being forced to close during the blackout residents of Gary,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to think about Gary as predominant black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look how they treat us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible out there, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you need to be this way in 2026, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 2026 is still like this in his terrible, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The beyond is which you're mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Officials have estimated the storm might have resulted in up to $5 billion in damages in Gary and other Indiana communities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gary is a majority black city about 80% which is home of what was once the world's largest steel mill in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the industrialization has taken its toll on the city in the 60s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The city's population reached over 175,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today it stands at under 70,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about a third of the population lives below the poverty line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We go now to Gary, Indiana, where we're joined by the city's mayor, Eddie Melton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Democracy Now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you talk about the state of your city right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we reported over the last two weeks, tens of thousands of people without electricity and all that that means, and where you're standing right now.
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[SPEAKER_08]: on the show as you can imagine.
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[SPEAKER_08]: A city without power for over two weeks is still the recovery.
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[SPEAKER_08]: We have about 95, 97% of the population that is back with power.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Many of the folks that are without power is because they receive personal damage to their homes, ripping off the weather heads and things of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So we've been raising the dollars before there was a commitment from the state and federal government.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So we can help those individuals restore power.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So we're still in recovery phase as we speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you talk about the role of the private energy company NIPSCO, for the country, for the world to understand what took place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you used to work for them, is that right, Mayor Malm?
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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So I understand the process.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So I'll tell you that for a storm that came through, they say that almost as a category two hurricane came through Northwest Indiana, swept through three counties, Lake County Porter County and La Port County, Courses of La Port County, Brent, heavy wind and rain that rain went to central Indiana where they significant flooding that occurred there as well.
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[SPEAKER_08]: ripping trees up out of the ground, causing a lot of destruction to our grid system.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So having worked there, understanding the process of restoration and power, I didn't work on the operation side, but I dealt much with that aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And knowing that it's not a problem, it's not a problem, it's a problem, it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a problem, it's a problem, it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a problem, it's a problem, it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a problem, it's a problem, it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a problem, it's a problem, it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: mutual aid that comes from other communities.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I was sad to see that we didn't receive that mutual aid as much as the size of Gary is.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Gary is 52 square miles, so it takes a significant amount of labor and hands on deck to restore a lot of that system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the city, the, when the state, when the company announced its restoration, did it mention was Gary even included in the schedule?
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[SPEAKER_08]: That was where the initial, I'll cry from us, started.
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[SPEAKER_08]: When energy company releases their estimated time of restoration, it typically list out those communities in certain regional areas and pockets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what he say it is, nipsco didn't have Gary Indiana on the list at all for needing help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as the mayor, did we reach out to the state, did we reach out to the federal government?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we know of just rain and they said now as a category two, but the damage is the damage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe he did, and they denied him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_08]: But this was an abnormal storm.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And I urge the utility company to break down the city separate from the other regional populations that they were identified.
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[SPEAKER_08]: When we did not see Gary listed in the beginning, it was a, it felt as if we were being left behind and overlooked.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So we pressed and we called before the public and we told them to come before the public to do a press conference to articulate what was the problem.
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[SPEAKER_08]: How long was on the tape restoration and to start listing Gary separately from other cities so we can have an accurate account and we can track it from a transparency perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Generators run off in gasoline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But gasoline is pump with power from the gas station.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's no power at the gas stations, then you can't pump gas to put in the generators.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it had something to do with Gary being more than 80% black, a third of the population under the poverty line?
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[SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's what I felt at that moment when you're looking, you do not see your city, listen on there, not granted.
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[SPEAKER_08]: There were other cities that weren't mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_08]: But when your powers out at your home and in your city, you're looking for your city.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So to omit the city, you felt very overlooking and not the direct attention that a need in emergency such as that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many climate studies have shown that climate chaos we're experiencing all over this country, not to mention the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were just talking about Nepal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will disproportionately her under resource and underserved communities?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you talk about the efforts underway in Indiana to protect its citizens from future storms?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also the lawsuits that have already been brought for example against Nipsco.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So we put together a series of demands to the utility company, one of that is hardening the infrastructure.
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[SPEAKER_08]: If we have six storms last year and this year we have 14 already before the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And we've never seen wind this strong before.
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[SPEAKER_08]: If we're seeing winds close
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[SPEAKER_08]: They need to ensure that the utility grid system is going to sustain that type of wind.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So this one, you would type of poles are going to be used.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Are they going to be hardened with a different type of material instead of just the typical wood wooden poles?
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[SPEAKER_08]: Are they going to put cement in the base of these?
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[SPEAKER_08]: Are they going to upgrade the circuitry as well as the transformers?
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[SPEAKER_08]: All of this has to take place.
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[SPEAKER_08]: for city the size of area to endure more severe storms.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Right now we have received the federal declaration of a natural disaster for the state of Indiana and the government himself also provided some resources.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And today there'll be a female beyond the ground.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I'll be meeting with FEMA hands up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's two weeks later and finally, FEMA's on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, it's crazy, but FEMA now just getting in.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I'm in the governor to ensure that the resources are deployed throughout the entire city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eddie Melton, I want to thank you for being with us mayor of Gary, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now this is something for you to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Food for thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he just now getting in,
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[SPEAKER_01]: with FEMA, but it's another week or two before FEMA is actually touched down and doing anything, bringing anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, that's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think that's not what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They hear that they just now touching down with FEMA after two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not okay for us to continually be in survival mode, we need to have a light at the end of the tunnel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's meant pretty, it's meant pretty rough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not okay for us to continually be in survival mode, we need to have a light at the end of the tunnel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: More than a week and a half after devastating storms swept through Indiana killing at least seven people thousands are still without power utility crews working around the clock, but the thousands of lingering outages remain concentrated in the northwestern port of the state and ground zero of the outages is centered in Michael Jackson's hometown of Gary Indiana utility company nipsco says some 40,000 in the region could remain in the dark until sometime next.
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[SPEAKER_04]: week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Newsation correspondent Alex Caprielo is my force there in Gary.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So Alex, what is the situation there?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Nicole, it's been 10 days since this storm hit Gary Indiana and scenes just like this one are playing out all across the city.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You see these down trees and the down power line that still need to be cleaned up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The result is tens of thousands of people that live here in this city still without power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason why nipsco can't call for additional help to get these trees cut up off the wires, off the lines, and put these poles back up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could join in with other companies, other latritional, they can go out and get to get the help they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just at all of the years of my life, I've never seen this much devastation, this much damage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: New numbers from the Northern Indiana Public Service Company, also known as NIPSGO, show around 43,000 customers are still without power.
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[SPEAKER_06]: 16,000 of those are in Gary, including Gary Mayer, Eddie Melton.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Melton has repeatedly voiced his frustrations with NIPSGO,
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[SPEAKER_06]: saying that utility company needs to do more to restore power to his city.
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[SPEAKER_06]: His administration is now requested additional utility crews in lineman to help speed up recovery efforts.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Just imagine someone with medical conditions, individuals, that
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[SPEAKER_08]: that haven't been able to talk to family members around a country reaching out wonder how they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_08]: So this is frightening for a lot of folks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And many Gary residents are taking their frustrations straight to social media, calling for more help and questioning why it's taking so long to restore power.
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[SPEAKER_04]: like a horror movie out here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Some are also alleging that Gary's racial demographics are playing a role in how quickly resources are reaching the community.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Thousands of residents are now taking legal action against nipsco.
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[SPEAKER_06]: A lawsuit filed against nipsco claims this damage and the power outages could have been prevented if the utility company had better managed the vegetation and trees that grows around the power lines.
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[SPEAKER_07]: They have to be covered with people
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[SPEAKER_07]: physically financially, but they would like to play it on an untoward weather event.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we know there's going to be weather events every year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: At the end of the day, it sniffs up and unless we hold them to a count, they're not going to change.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Relief is also coming from the state.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Governor Mike Braun requested an expedited disaster declaration from FEMA and brought in the National Guard to help communities recover.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The emergency declaration will allow impacted Hoosiers to receive up to $5,000 in recovery assistance.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Many of us believe in God and believe that our faith is what helps us in dirty storms.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I truly believe that this is going to make a stronger at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a great little piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I put it in there for you guys to check out because bottom line, man, we're human beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't make a difference what color you is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're human being, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this world, a certain things you need to function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It ain't free, nothing is free, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They paint, they paint taxes, you don't need to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The least people can do this in charge of certain things is due to a job and due to a job well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my conclusion guys, stay up, stay strong, protect yourself at all times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready.