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S8 E5 Villain Redemption with Krystal Nielson · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, let's do this. This is the Ben and Ashley
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  Speaker 1: I almost famous podcast with our radio. Sorry, oh my gosh, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm the one that's eating here. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: have two very very special guests with me. Um somebody
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  Speaker 1: we got because we offered free food. Vanessa Um the
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  Speaker 1: Crystal is my co host today. Crystal's birthday was yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast loves you so much that we gave you a cake.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody bringing the cake, you guys, paper, Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: You guys. It looks like there's glitter over it, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's actually sweat the cake. Has you would
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  Speaker 1: you eat something like that? I would not. I'll take
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  Speaker 1: it home, I will sell it. I will let you
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  Speaker 1: eat it. You know what we know? I definitely do.
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  Speaker 1: I prefer drinking it in form of wine or dark chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, what do you think if somebody does both?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about what I did
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  Speaker 1: this entire past three days celebrating my birthday. Oh so
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  Speaker 1: what did you do for your birthday? Um? So, my
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  Speaker 1: fiance Chris actually surprised me. He like came in a
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  Speaker 1: sandy ago and he's like, I have a whole excursion,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing about and every day kept giving me
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  Speaker 1: little little cards with clues and hints and it was
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  Speaker 1: like champagne glasses. And then it was like choose option
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  Speaker 1: one or option two, and it was really sweet. But
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I'm on the movie
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  Speaker 1: The Saw, and it's like depending on what I choose,
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  Speaker 1: but determined, like the outcome my destiny, um and we
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  Speaker 1: the domantic destiny in this case, it really was. It
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  Speaker 1: was just a romantic weekend and we went to Laguna
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  Speaker 1: Beach last night and sit in a little villa on
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  Speaker 1: the beach and just celebrated to drink wine and ate
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  Speaker 1: lots of good food and good company, so the simple things.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It was really nice, speaking of I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not to completely happy birthday. And I'm glad that this
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  Speaker 1: Chris guy really loves you, because it sounds like he
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  Speaker 1: is just a doll. Did you all know you've both
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  Speaker 1: been on the Bachelor before that. The creator of the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor created the hostile movies, which Mike, Oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's right. That's not right, Mark, and we
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  Speaker 1: look at up. I'm looking at him. You are you
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  Speaker 1: saying the Bachelor is the hostel? I mean, situations absolutely
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  Speaker 1: Mike Slizes did a very bad shark movie. But let
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  Speaker 1: me see a very bad shark movie was produced by
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  Speaker 1: Mike fed By then with the knowledge, Isn't that weird?
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  Speaker 1: Does that ever make you question how you both fell
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  Speaker 1: in love? It does explains a lot, actually question how
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  Speaker 1: you fell in love. I'm very happy that a film
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  Speaker 1: love Vanessa. Uh, well, I'm really excited to have you
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  Speaker 1: both in here. These are are two of the best
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  Speaker 1: personalities and vachination. It's the off season for the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous podcast, so we gotta find ways to buy time,
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  Speaker 1: and part of that is getting to know the people
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  Speaker 1: that actually participate in the show. Crystal, once again, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us today. I want to talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about you and your story. Uh. During this
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  Speaker 1: whole bachelor ride, you've had a really interesting, um I
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  Speaker 1: feel experience. Let's say you start as a villain. Um
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's unknown to anybody that you were
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  Speaker 1: criticized ther Austerits kind of pushed out of the house,
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  Speaker 1: and then you go on Paradise, and so I want
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  Speaker 1: to stop there and here your thoughts because Vanessa and I,
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  Speaker 1: neither of us have gone on Paradise. I want to
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  Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on why you chose as the villain
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  Speaker 1: to risk going on another show. Well, I think at
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  Speaker 1: some point you just fall down so low you can't
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  Speaker 1: really fall any lower, So everything is just up from
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  Speaker 1: that point. But when I was on The Bachelor, I
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  Speaker 1: mean there were great moments and not so great moments,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately I definitely came out feeling very misunderstood and
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  Speaker 1: that my intentions were just kind of you know, had
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  Speaker 1: gone had backfired and gone the wrong way. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: really I was seeking a second chance to come on
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  Speaker 1: and put myself out there and really just be true
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  Speaker 1: to myself because as you guys know, like going on
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, UM, it's a little intimidating being on such
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  Speaker 1: a public show knowing you're going to get that criticism.
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  Speaker 1: And I just I learned a lot on that journey
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to take all that knowledge, apply it
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  Speaker 1: and do better. So I So just to give a
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  Speaker 1: little background here for anybody wondering. UM, Crystal Nielsen is
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  Speaker 1: the the co hosted on the podcast. We have Vanessa
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  Speaker 1: here as well. She's just a fan favorite always UM
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  Speaker 1: and Crystal was on r season of the Bachelor. She
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  Speaker 1: is now engaged to the goose Chris um On our
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  Speaker 1: season of The Bachelor, Crystal was the villain. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very clear, and they she becomes America's sweetheart. The
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  Speaker 1: question though, and I think this is always interesting and
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  Speaker 1: without just totally destroying the show. Now that you're happy
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  Speaker 1: and the show has been good to you, do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're accurately portrayed during The Bachelor? Um? No,
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  Speaker 1: I think that there was definitely moments where I was
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  Speaker 1: speaking about Ari and how it was shown was it
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  Speaker 1: showed women, but so it appeared I was talking about
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  Speaker 1: the women, when in fact I was actually talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor. And you know, I studied film production in college,
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  Speaker 1: so definitely big fans of creative editing. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: there were definitely moments when I did I did say
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  Speaker 1: things and react to certain situations, bowling anyone. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: looking back, it was I really felt like, um, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't me. Do you feel like and it wasn't me?
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  Speaker 1: Also like in those moments, so because it was just
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  Speaker 1: so um it was such a unique experience. I really
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it other than you're not
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  Speaker 1: really sure what's real or what's going on, and the
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  Speaker 1: elements of surprise. You open a door and don't know
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  Speaker 1: what's behind it. I think anyone that's placed in a
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  Speaker 1: house and stripped away from their social support system, and
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  Speaker 1: and I said this from the beginning, I no one
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  Speaker 1: will understand what I'm going through unless as the women
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  Speaker 1: in this house and people that are watching, will you know,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of just tune in and you watch what
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  Speaker 1: you what what appears to be on TV, and you
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  Speaker 1: think that's a the reality of it, but they only
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  Speaker 1: get to see a fraction of who you are. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I was very happy with the way
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  Speaker 1: I was portrayed on my show, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: fraction of my personality. I was like the goody two
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  Speaker 1: shoes from Montreal, and I felt like I had zero
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  Speaker 1: personality that came across on on my season. Um, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess, like I know Taylor had gone through a
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  Speaker 1: similar experience on my season where she was villainized and
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  Speaker 1: then she wanted to go on Paradise, And when she
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  Speaker 1: was asking me for my advice, I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's a good idea, Like you just don't know, right,
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  Speaker 1: You're putting your faith in the hands of other people.
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  Speaker 1: To see, like, how are you going to get portrayed
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  Speaker 1: this time around? And I mean it ended up working
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  Speaker 1: out for her too. She she got engaged. I mean
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  Speaker 1: now they're not together more, but she got engaged. She
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with Derek, and um, she had a
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  Speaker 1: great love story like like you did, so it does
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  Speaker 1: it ended up working out for her too. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that ultimately what it comes down to is high
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  Speaker 1: risks build high rewards, and unless you put yourself out there,
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  Speaker 1: you don't ever know what's going to happen. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad I said this at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: UM Bachelor in Paradise reunion that I said, I was
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  Speaker 1: so glad I didn't let fear get in the way
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  Speaker 1: of me taking this chance for myself. Ben, you did
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  Speaker 1: Winner Games. I got asked to do Winner Games and
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  Speaker 1: name which I mean, I am coming to Denver. So
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  Speaker 1: I I left fear get in the way, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I was ready to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I fell in love on the show that
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  Speaker 1: was like the only guy I've ever dated off the franchise.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't like even held hands of anyone from the franchise.
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  Speaker 1: And so I went in thinking, Hey, what if I
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  Speaker 1: just go to enjoy my my experience there and I
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  Speaker 1: don't actually have to kiss anyone. And Bennett was like, Vanessa,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is the whole point of the show,
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  Speaker 1: Like we're gonna get asked out on a day and
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna You're not gonna look good if you say
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  Speaker 1: no to them. So I'm like, I'm I just I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't ready. So it's like, now I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: And they asked me to Paradise. They did, they did, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we gonna rock those I don't know. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was ready to date in the real world. That
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  Speaker 1: was just really happy to you know. I was really
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  Speaker 1: open to meeting people um in the real world and
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  Speaker 1: in to form those connections. I love that we actually
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  Speaker 1: say the real world because it's truly a thing like
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  Speaker 1: outside outside of the show. But it works out for people,
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  Speaker 1: it does. Here's something that I'm giving up, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to give up a lot of my pride
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  Speaker 1: and my ego and I think this is something that
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  Speaker 1: we always leaned back on. And Vanessa, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: So I did win our games, um for a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of reasons. Uh, and it ended up kind of it
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  Speaker 1: was never a bad thing. It was actually really therapeutic
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  Speaker 1: and good, but like kind of smacked me in the
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  Speaker 1: face because I realized that going back to that world
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  Speaker 1: after going coming out of a breakup and that world
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  Speaker 1: was just terribly traumatic, like not good at all, not
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  Speaker 1: healthy for one second. Um. And so now I am
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  Speaker 1: completely single, like completely single. I've dated, um, I've been interested.
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  Speaker 1: I've dated people consistently for for a while, uh since
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  Speaker 1: the show. But I am completely single now and I
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  Speaker 1: have and no nobody go, oh, you're gonna have you.
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  Speaker 1: It's all gonna be fine, You're gonna find somebody. It's
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  Speaker 1: really hard to date. Um, it's not very easy. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really fun. The whole like, um process of even
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  Speaker 1: meeting somebody and having those first conversations is something I
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  Speaker 1: don't enjoy. So I have found myself getting more and
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  Speaker 1: more intrigued by the idea of having help dating again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh are you looking into like the matchmaking? I think
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  Speaker 1: the show is more attract with me that never has
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  Speaker 1: been before. Really, and the assistance of like somebody, even
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  Speaker 1: like a really good or a really good wing friend. Wait, wait, then,
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  Speaker 1: are you thinking about going on the Bachelor heads Well,
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  Speaker 1: until I find somebody, it's always a gun. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: might go on the Bachelorette. Um. Anyways, that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: my takeaways, Vanessa, I hear what you're saying. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reasons not to Crystal. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: reasons not to. The risks are high, but I understand
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  Speaker 1: when somebody has a traumatic experience or just not a
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  Speaker 1: great experience on the show, you can still see that
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  Speaker 1: this can work, and so you become interested again and
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  Speaker 1: maybe trying to make it happen on the show. So now, Chrystal,
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  Speaker 1: you are America sweetheart. You and Chris are celebrated, your loved,
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  Speaker 1: you're cared for. This sounds like the real deal. Um,
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  Speaker 1: how does that transition feel? Um, you know, it feels great.
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  Speaker 1: It feels great. I really just feel like, Um, I
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  Speaker 1: was just true to myself and it was shown and
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  Speaker 1: shared and celebrated, and so, you know, I had a
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  Speaker 1: big transformation coming off of the show. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people reached out to me before Paradise just saying that
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  Speaker 1: they appreciated, UM that I continued to stay true to
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  Speaker 1: who I was and just was able to showcase that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank God, for Instagram and social media and still being
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  Speaker 1: able to connect with fans and share my journey, my
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  Speaker 1: story about my brother and UM. To now be to
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  Speaker 1: now have come out of Paradise in a relationship and
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  Speaker 1: with someone I'm so happy with and finding that love.
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  Speaker 1: It feels really great. And I think the best part
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  Speaker 1: about it, and I'm sure you guys can relate, it's
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  Speaker 1: just to be celebrated by strangers on the streets and
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  Speaker 1: just for them to give so much love, UM and
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  Speaker 1: just so much love and support. It feels wonderful, much
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  Speaker 1: different than the last time. No one, no one would
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  Speaker 1: ever come up to my face and say mean things.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that really bothered me was when people would
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  Speaker 1: come up and say I'm so sorry, and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of gave like that pity, like I'm so I know,
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  Speaker 1: that's not who you are. And it was like clients
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  Speaker 1: and members that would take my classes like you know
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  Speaker 1: I took my yoga classes, are like, I know you're
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  Speaker 1: not that person. I can't believe they showed you that way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It was like the pity. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, and I think paradise. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta do something about this because this is not who
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  Speaker 1: I am. I'm not leaving my life at this, at
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  Speaker 1: this you know stage. I got to do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: next guest, Chelsea. But we have all these memories right
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  Speaker 1: these pictures and a lot of like Vanessa, our childhood
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  Speaker 1: are on these things that we no longer use, and
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  Speaker 1: on a television show. And I cannot find my season.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm asking every listening season, Chris. Let's a little creepy.
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  Speaker 1: I was just doing some back study. Actually, I was
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  Speaker 1: a huge Bachelor fan. I've been watching since Wampablo. That
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  Speaker 1: was my first season. First season is my first season.
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  Speaker 1: Then I watched then what was your first season? That wat? Yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: so you know Nick all along from Beard to No
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Beard and back again. Hey guys, Chelsea Roy is out there.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: We're thankful that she's joined the podcast. Chelsea, are you
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: out there? I am Hi? Guys? What did I did
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I hear that Crystal is a part of this? Yes?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: What is up? Mama Firthday? Thank you so much. You
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: know there's some cake here. We would love you to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: come over. I'll give you a slice. Are you in
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: l A? Hi? Chelsea, it's Vanessa. Are you in l A? Oh? Well,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I am just going to enjoy ice water and a
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: strict diet of no Cake, we all love you. Actually
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the very first thing um that was said. Crystal and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Vanessa helped me co host this podcast today. When I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: told them that we have you as a guest, they
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: both said the same thing in unison, they go, oh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: she's beautiful, stunning, stunning. Thank you. Guys. Outside of just
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: how beautiful you are, can you take a couple of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: seconds here and explain to our listeners who you are,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: how would they know you, and what your storyline was
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: during this franchise? Sure? Sure, okay, So I am Chelsea
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and most of you probably know me from Ari season
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: season twenty two of Bachelor. Um, I was the girl
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that received the first impression Rose, but with that came
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: being deemed a villain. I think is something that also
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: often happen. Um. Then you'll also recognize me from that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Joint Paradise season five. Um, so this past season and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of which I think I played a little bit of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. Um, definitely, I have a agree. Definitely yeah yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Um So, if if anything, you guys most likely know
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: me also, um, you know for Sammy my son and um,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: if you followed my journey so far, you'll definitely see
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of him and a lot of the things
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that we do. So let's start at the beginning. Uh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: you're an R season of The Bachelorette or The Bachelor.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: You received the first impression Rose, the targets on your back.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: What happened between you and Ari? I mean, I know
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that there's drama. I know that you became the villain
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: along with Crystal. This is just a villain filled podcast.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: It certainly is. You know, Chelsea and I were really
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: really battling for that villain title. Um, what happened in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: your relationship with Ari? Like, outside of of your relationship
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: with the women, how was your relationship with are affected?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So you know, I think I was very open and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: honest with him about how I appreciated, um, him taking
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the heat off of me sometimes and you know, getting
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to know all the other girls. Nothing really went sour
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in our relationship. It really did come down to logistics.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: You know, there's business involved, there is a child involved.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You know, what is life outside of the Bachelor going
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to look like? Um? Both Crystal and I actually left
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in Paradise, so we were m I'm sorry, left in Paris.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So we're pretty far along in our ernie with Ari
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: enough to develop the feelings. Um. I certainly was crushed.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expected me to be sent home
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that week. Um. You know, there were a lot of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: questions that I had for him. UM. But I think
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: once I stepped outside, I realized that he was looking
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: at the practicality of life after after the Bachelor and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: what it is that he's looking for in a partner.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And I just don't think that we were the right fit.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So Crystal and Chelsea Vanessa and I can't really answer this, um,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: but the two of you were broken up with during
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the show, did you both believe that you were a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: fit with Ari? Like? Were you both invested into trying
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to make this thing work? I would like Chelsea to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: answer this question first. Yeah. You know, for me, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: am just like a hopeless romantic, So I would like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to believe that I'm capable of falling in love with anyone.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And I felt like there was a reason why I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go on the show. So I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: was fully invested. And I think part of that is
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the mental challenge. You know, am I just thinking this
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: or am I feeling it? Um? And of course, in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that environment when all you know is Ari your stipp
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of of course cell phones and things like that. Um,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: do you become a little attached quicker? UM. I do
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: believe that Ari and I would make great friends, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that was the way that any relationship, UM for me,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: how I would like it to start. But I'm not
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: sure that there's longevity in the relationship with him. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I would agree, especially the point where and I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: everyone here knows that when there's one bachelor, one bachelorette,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, all the focus and attention goes to that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: one person and no one else. So you definitely are
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: um you don't notice the red flags as much or
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: maybe you just, yeah, you ignore them. And I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that I saw a lot of compatibility personally with Ari
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and I because we live close to each other. We're
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like five hours from each other. I work remote, he travels.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I travel a lot, I can work and UM, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: just saw that with our personalities. But I think as
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I got to know him and I started seeing this.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think it was in Tahoe, Chelsea when I really
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: became disgruntled with my relationship with Ari because I just
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: saw him really as being a womanizer with all the women.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And you see me talking a lot in. You know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of b roll of me or just
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: interviews of me saying that I was so unattracted to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: how much attention he wanted at one time with multiple women.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And there was a moment in the hot tub where
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I was talking with Ari, having this deep conversation and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I looked on and he's holding TIA's hand while talking
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to me, and I felt and that was literally the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: line had been crossed. I was like, this guy, oh, savage, savage.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, I am so not okay with this,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and I think that was just like that started it
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: for me, and I just I couldn't get past the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: weight he was holding her hand, holding hand under the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: honor as I'm having this heart to heart conversation. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: looked out. I was just like, you are so disrespectful.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And then I mean, I've never been in the position
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of being in the lead, and I'm sure there's there's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so much that so much pressure. I can't blame him,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but I was disrespected. Did you feel disrespected because your
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: ego was like, I'm fighting with all these women to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: get your attention, and even while there's other women around us,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you're still not giving me your full undivided attention. No,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it was I'm having a personal conversation with him, like
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about my family, and I thought we had a moment
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: between us, and you know you want those moments, and Chelsea,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I think you can relate ben everyone here when you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: just get to have a moment away in private, um
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and have a conversation, it means a lot, because time
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is everything. And to look down and say he's holding
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: someone's hand as I'm like spilling out my heart about
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: my family and just like you don't even care what
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, You're just trying to get his physical connection.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: That shook. Man. We're done here, Chelsea. I I know
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you're out there, and uh, this is all super interesting
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: stuff to me. I always and this is not about me,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but it was always a really scary thought to me
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that I would, uh ever show physical affection to one
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: woman in front of the others. It was really scary
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: because at some point during this whole experience, everybody's claws
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: come out, men and women. And when you get far
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: enough along the idea that I would give any woman
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the ability to really put their claws out there and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: they would feel vlidified by doing it, scared the bejeebus
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: out of me. Um, Chelsea, I want to hear from you,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: so you get the first impression Rose, you and Crystal
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: go home the same week, Uh, you know, and we'll
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: kind of move this question amongst all of you. How
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: many people in the house when you went home do
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you think actually believe they're right for Ari? Oh? Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: truthfully based on I'm the very observant person. I definitely
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: read into body language, and I listened to people and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'm quiet because I'm really just observing. I would
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: say maybe three, maybe three of the people would definitely
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have a solid relationship or reason why. I just think
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: they we're gonna, you know, end up with Ari. Do
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you think that's based off of his interact like the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: way that he was interacted with those women? Okay, yes, definitely.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I mean the way that he was, you know, treating
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some women, talking to some women. Um, you know, just
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: regular behavior. Um bydy language is huge. Um. You know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he was in control of who he chose to spend
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: more time with and how he chose to spend that So, UM,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I would say, like totally invested. If we're being honest here,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: probably three. I think I think maybe like four maybe
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like definitely, definitely five. I think I think four to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: five and right in that range. Um, yeah, which I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: feel like it's a good number. I would if I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: were the lead, I would just want to be able
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to pick around like five or three. I don't want
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to make you know that it's too hard. Yeah. I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: remember being there in the mansion and some girls are
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like it's just a TV show, like calm down, or
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like I'm just here for the friends, and I'm like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: what I keep up my life by career to be
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: here like I got, I got very emotionally invested in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: looking back, probably not the best idea, but I want
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to ask you, as a bachelor, do you choose who
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: goes on the one on ones because I want to you?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Or there's like a day yeah, so here's the here's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the interesting and you get why. So it gets frustrating
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at times, um, And I think any lead would tell
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you this. So most of the times you have a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: huge you have always a huge say, but there's also
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a suggestion or format too, like so for example, like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: one week, I wanted to take let's say somebody on
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the date and they're like, and the people the producers like, well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you just took them on a date two weeks ago.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: For you, that feels like forever ago to anybody watching
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: or to the women involved, like you need to hold
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: off on taking them on a date again, and so
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: they help. I think a lot of it comes down
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to how the show is going to be like formatted
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: together to make it make sense to everybody involved, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to also not hurt any of the cast that's that's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like involved because as a bachelor bachelor, you're kind of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: closed off to the world. You don't really know what's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: happening now. You don't have your phone either. You know
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: if your phone either, You don't know what's happening in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the house. That's the biggest thing is you don't know
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: who's arguing, why they're arguing, what they're arguing about, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so you're just kind of like a lot of the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: time you're using the producers as confidence and trusted partners
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I'm into this person. I really want
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to show them I'm into into her. How can I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: do that? And can you help me make sure I
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: do that in the most appropriate way? That was always
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: my question, How Okay, here's my wish, here's my need,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: here's my desire. How can you help me do this?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And they would say, all right, let's talk and then
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: we talk and figure out a good game plan too. Okay,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: maybe not this week, but next week we're going to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a crazy cool location. This would be a better time
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: for you to bring her on a date. She can
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: wait a week, You can wait a week. That's kind
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of that's the balance. Can I ask about the first
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: impression roles? Do you give that out or is are
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: there suggestions for it? I think I know Chelsea wants
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to know. Yeh, we got the first impression. Chelsea got
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the first impression because I like ass of that night
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: though they were so iggressive, Chelsea cutting me off because
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm getting that roads. So that's another
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like you we all have to be logical here when
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: it comes to the show. Um, you show up night one,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: there's five to thirty some women or men who show
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: up to the house. You about only know their name
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and if they smell good, Um you don't. You sit
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: down in this room and you go, okay, who made
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a great impression on you? And you lay out and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you talk it through and you think about it, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: then once you pick some of the people have made
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the best impression on you. Then you break it down
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: from there, Okay, is this somebody that I want to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that I think here's a big question, and Chelsea, this
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: is definitely um something that you should take personally. Another
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: question is Okay, anytime you get the first impression, Rose,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: there's a target on your back. What woman in the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: house can handle that target? And I don't know that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: piece at on the first night. I don't know your
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: personalities or anything, and so I need help by my
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: friends or by the people that say, Okay, she can
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: handle this, and she can't. And so who do you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: want to give this to that you know, walk out
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of this and first off, not you know, destroy her
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: reputation and not get super you know, egotistical, but be
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: able to kind of just continue to go through this process.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot to it. And then I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: we'd be crazy to think that the bachelor or the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: bachelor in the first night just knows right away Oh yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: this is it just not the case. I mean, you
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: do have like a do you feel like night one
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that you had a spark with a person or more
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: than one person that you're like, oh, this person is cool,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: not even just like as a friend or someone that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: made you feel extremely comfortable being there. Oh a thousand percent. Yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you're I mean, but as I think I've I've shared
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: this a couple of times, but there's like three people,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Um that really and two of which actually didn't make
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: it that far. But that first and that was like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you have a great first impress we have a great conversation.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But and and one of the reasons, and this made
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: it so hard for me, And and Laura knows this,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and she I don't think she'll feel weird for me
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: sharing this. When she walked around the corner, like my
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: world stopped, like everything changed and I don't know why,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and it never left me. I was worried that, you know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And I bet Nick. I think Nick says the same
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: thing about like your situation was there was just something
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: really different than what everybody else was experiencing and so
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: um for me, that feeling was so different with her
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that I knew that it was either going to be
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: something special or something that was going to absolutely blow
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: up in our faces. Um. So yeah, you do have
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that first impression spark. But again, like Lauren didn't get
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the first impression, Rose because I was worried that if
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I gave it to her, the target would be on
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: her back and it would force her out of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: house or first force her to be the enemy of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the house too early. And I don't want that. I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: wanted her to kind of gouneath the radar, to kind
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of go through the process. I think one piece of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: advice I remember you gave Nick was to kind of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: protect the person that or I mean the people. I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: don't know I remember what the piece of advice was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that you gave to him, but I remember being like, oh,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: thank god Ben gave him that advice. Yeah, okay. So
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you always have a couple people, and sometimes you're lucky
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: enough to really have one that really stands out to you. My, my,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, my. I've shared this, but I was just
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: worried that something with Lauren was going to be off,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Like at the very last week, she was gonna be like, yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend at home and this isn't gonna
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: work for me. Um, And it never happened, right, But
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you you're always kind of on edge the whole time,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: so you don't want to give up everything else for
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that one relationship. You want to stay open, like they say.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: But the other piece of that is if you really
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: do care about somebody, you can have, like as the lead,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: you can find ways to protect them so you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you don't give them the first impression. Rows you don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: ask them on thirty one on one dates, you don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: go off and spend two hours with him alone in
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: some city. Why everybody watches and waits on you. Um?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You you have to be strategic, and it's kind of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: kind of the secret sauce to being a decent lead
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is being you know, strategic and how you're treating that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: person that you think you're gonna end up with so
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that not everybody ends up painting them and their whole
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: experience is terrible. Um. I guess it's the only gift
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the lead can give outside of super awkward conversations after
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you get off the show. I guess that's why, looking
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: back now, I never got a rose on a group date,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and I was so excited. I'm like, oh, this is
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: my night, and in my night, I'm gonna get it through.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a rose. And I'm like, what does
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: he not noticed me? And then it started playing to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: my securities. I'm like, oh, I guess it's not, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I never thought on my season, he never gave me
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: any form of indication that it was me. Never, never, never,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: not in the fantasy suite, uh not on any dates.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I remember telling him when I loved him it was
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked the way he reacted or
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I told him I was falling in love with him,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and I felt like he was just like, okay, cool.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But I guess he wasn't able to show me more
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: because then, if not, I was going to get too
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: cocky about it, and you know, it starts to play
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: around with your head. But in the end, it just
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: made me start second guessing, like, oh, maybe it's not me. Right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: He could just he could have just told everybody. That
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: seems to be a power move these days. Hey, Chelsea,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I want to hear about your experience on Bachelor in Paradise.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: There's a couple interesting things that I always hear about Paradise,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and one of those is the sleeping situations. So before
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I ask you about your sleeping situation in Paradise, I
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• 35:52
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  Speaker 1: sleeping in the paradise is not the best. Walk us
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  Speaker 1: through somebody behind the scenes of b I p okay,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you're ready for it. We are so. I'm from I'm
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: from Maine and I typically don't mind the whole idea
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of camping. Well, this is definitely glamping. Um. We are
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in a resort setting, but it's actually more of like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a cottage. Super sweet. We have huge windows and doors
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that are wide open to the ocean. I swear to God,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to be actually carrying the ocean like
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: months after leaving Paradise because it's just so loud with
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the roaring waves. However, we have yeah, we have friends, um,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of friends, a lot of friends like that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Many I thought it was just like added in as
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: editing or something. The bugs, Yeah, the crabs, crabs. Can
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: we talk about the June the June bug? Anyone get cramped?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And then um and then also at nighttime bed check
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: for cocker, which I found many fellow did you did
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you have crabs in my bed? Did you guys zip
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: up your luggages before, Like if you leave your luggage open,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to crawl into your luggage
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and then what you're going to bring home. No Asterid
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: brought home whether they were like rotten crabs in her
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: luggage when she came back. We were on this big
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: group tax and everyone was sending photos of the items
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that they had. Your little stockar unintentional souvenirs, nasty, nast day. Yeah, Paradise,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Paradis was really beautiful up he was saying. It was
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: just open ocean everywhere and no windows, no privacy, So
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you know when you're no privacy. There's one door without
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a lock, no locks on the other side. Use my
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: leg to right. There was a many of situations that happened.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Here's my sense of watching Paradise. I'm a big, big
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: bachelor in Paradise fan. Um. I get this sense that
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: kind of all boundaries get broken down. And that's maybe
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: why this love thy works there because like Vanesse would
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just say, like you're you're pooping in front of people,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you're sweating, you all kind of smell a little bit
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like there is no fake There are very few fake things,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: at least when it comes to physical appearance for both
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the women and the men. When it comes to Paradise,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong or right? Well? Do you remember, um?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: For the problems for this? They showed me talking It
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: was probably two wills and I said, we're all just
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: basically naked, and that was the one way I could
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: describe it. We are all naked. Like there's no point
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in where make up, there's no point in putting on
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: fields or like dressing up for anyone because it's just
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a different type of climate there. It's something where that's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't have resources in Mexico, like we
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: do in United Yeah, like Amazon Prime or air conditioning fans.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's so true. Paradise is just such a UM.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I definitely felt I personally felt so much more comfortable
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: in Paradise because I mean, as Chelsie was saying, it was,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you know, very relaxed. I mean, you didn't curl your
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: hair because it just fall flat within an hour. And
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it just allowed us to be really focused on spending
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: quality time with one another, girls with girls, girls guys,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and just friendships and relationships to really blossom in form
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and I felt like it was such a conducive relationship
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: or environment for relationships, which Chelsea, I have to say,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so surprised that you didn't come out with a man,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and I was very very very careful. And then you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: earlier had mentioned how you wanted to be respectful in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you know, getting to know everyone, and I think that's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the way that I did it as well, is I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be fixated on just one person. I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that that that person was always
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: in my head no matter how many people I took
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: time to get to meet and to know um, because
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that was my one opportunity. It's the one time in
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: life that you are like literally free of all your
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: distractions and you can focus on dating. Um. I don't
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: get a lot of that. I mean, it's really hard
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to do it when I'm available fifty percent of my time. Um,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and the dating is honestly blimp pickings here in the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Partland main area. It's hard. Everywhere I took, I took
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: advantage of it, and I honestly I love getting to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: know people in general. And I made some amazing friendships
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and I really did come out of there with love
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: in a different aspect and that family and friends. UM.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So my heart is certainly full. But I know that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I left that situation, um, giving it my all, and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know I didn't find love. But I'm watching you,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Crystal was Chris Like. It has given me so much
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: hope that it does work and it's still out there.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: That's all right. I'm going to Paradise next season. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: actually gotta go. My ubers waiting for me downstairs, and Vanessa,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: we love you, thank you having you. Uh, Chelsea, We're
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: gonna get back to your love story and Paradise in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a second. I cannot wait to dig in a little
• 41:58
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• 42:02
  Speaker 1: what life is like still today? For you? You are
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  Speaker 1: goes on this show. Oh man. Um. So the challenges
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: are definitely the trolls and the judgment that I get
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  Speaker 1: for quote unquote being away from my son. Um. You
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  Speaker 1: know that's not the case. UM. You know, we're very
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  Speaker 1: well accommodated by producers to make sure that I am
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: able to stay in contact with Sammy during the days
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  Speaker 1: I'm gone. The other thing is that I actually don't
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: know how long I'm going to be gone for, so
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of an opportunity like this could last a day,
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  Speaker 1: could last, um all the way to the end. We're
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  Speaker 1: actually fine love and it benefits mine in Fammi's life. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of the ups and downs of doing
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it as a parent because I'm not as free as
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: other people or care I would say careless to really
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like pass fun with it. It's a more serious process
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: for me because I'm not only dating for me. I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: dating for my son, UM and I I know so
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: much more now because of Sammy what it is in
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: life that I'm looking for UM and I feel so
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: blessed to happen in my life. It's never a downfall.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I much rather be single than settle. Um. I am
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: really never alone because I have him and um he
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: is that one guy that literally makes me become my
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: best possible self. UM. So, you know, going on Paradise,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I was fully equipped and I had this little boy
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: reminding me, you know, in my heart and in the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: back of my head what it is I was fair for.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Especially when there are days where I'm like, why am
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I not coupled up like everyone else. Um, And it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: was also a purpose and a reason. And it's just
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: because I'm not going to settle. You know, it would
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: be nice to walk out of there with a boyfriend
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, get a little extra more air time
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: or something out of it, but it's it really isn't
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: worth it in the end. UM, I do want something
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that has you know, happy ever after to it, And UM,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I have a better sense of what that is because
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of how clear, um, how clear my thoughts are and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: what it is I'm looking for. UM, I don't know.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It was. It was definitely challenging being away from him,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: but it was worth understanding more and more through these experiences. Um,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: what it is that him and I need in our life. Yeah, yeah, Chelsea,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And I think that I just want to commend you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: for being such a beautiful, strong mother and an example
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: for Sammy. And in Paradise and I'm bachelor. You and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I had gotten to know each other and had spoken
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: about how difficult it was for you to be away,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, and I think that a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: lot of mothers out there can relate how important it
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is for you to have this time for yourself too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And I work with clients on this, especially mothers. You
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: need the time to self love, self care so that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you can come back and be that that mom, that
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: partner that you know, employer, coworker. You need this time
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: for yourself and so I'm proud of you for taking it. Well,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: thank you. Go ahead. No, I just I just think
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you're I mean, what you just said was completely correct.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And it's it's always, um, it's always something. It's intriguing
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to be the relationship between the fans and the mothers
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: or fathers that go on this show. I think it
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was a dynamic that was like a shocker kind of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: on Chris Souls. This season was really the first time
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I remember it, but I hadn't watched the show really
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: before that. UM, kind of just like, oh my gosh,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: there's a mom and it was like the storyline of
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like when was she going to tell Chris that she
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: has a child? And that was kind of, you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the first thing. And then nowadays it moves into this
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing where you're a single mother and their single
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: fathers have gone on the show too. And as Crystal
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: just said, which I want to mirror, is we forget
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: or we assume or the fans sometimes judge the fact
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that you want time for yourself to just like we
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: were saying, dating is hard, and especially you know that
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: if you add different elements and like being a mother, father,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: going on this show allows you to take intentional time
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: to say, Hey, I'm out there, I'm ready. I want
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to do this again, and as much as I love
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: my child, I want to partner in this. Uh and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: this show seems to be a decent attitude for it. Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I would have. I would agree because truly you don't
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: have any any distractions and you can really take the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: time for yourself and to find the relationship. Did you think, Chelsea?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Ask you? Um, your time on Bachelor Verse Paradise? Um,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I mean coming? If you could do one more show again,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: which one would you do? One lead or a group
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of men on the beach? Oh? Gosh, um? Because Ben's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: going on Paradise next summer. It's hard. It's I get
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: very nervous about that because you know, we saw me
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: played Bachelorette and it kind of has this sexual you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: being tied to it or image tied to it, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that's not who I am. I certainly don't go out
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and tis every guy that I meet. However, I can't
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: stop one from doing that to me. Um So I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: did I could see myself as bachelorette because of how
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: serious I am about this process. I'm determined I am
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to find love and how much I really do want it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Um and knowing what I'm looking for would only help
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the process. Then you mentioned that there are some you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: there's some strategy behind who you choose to go on
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: one on one day, and you know the way that
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: you do it. My biggest thing about being bachelotte would
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: be hurting people. Um So, I definitely would have to
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: get over that. But you know, I do like Bachelor
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Um. I had a great experience. I came
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: out again with you know, a ton of friends and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: in a larger family now. But um I think I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: said the other day that I'm interested to see if
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna organically happen. With my two experiences, I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: saw a couple like Clay and Angela get together and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: they weren't even on a season together. But we're all
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: in this one big niche where we somehow know one
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: another and it's an easy way to reach out. So
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you know, or there's Ashley and Jared's you know, three
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: three years later they reunite and you know, they're not
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: getting married. So I believe in the process so much
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: that I would be certainly open to another experience. I'm
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: just um, I'm not I'm not sure when I'm not sure?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: How UM, real quick before we we send you off,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that you've been great and you've been around uh, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you've stayed on this podcast for a lot longer than
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: you YouTube and we really appreciate it. Um. If uh,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: they would have asked you to go on Colton's season
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, would you have done it? Big question?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Um Okay, Well, so after meeting Colten, Um, God,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: this is a hard one. I know, yeah, this is
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a hard one. Um. If I was asked to go
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: on Colton season, I would personally say no. I watched
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: him kind of go between um, not knowing what he
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: wanted and knowing what he wanted, and I'm pretty sure
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I want somebody that absolutely knows And we had the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: time to talk to each other and he certainly was
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: not interested in me and he I respect that so much,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: so I would have started out even though I really
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough time to get to know him. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: had enough time to feel a vibe. Um, and I
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: just don't think that we could like clicked on that level.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So um no, and and honestly, girls, it gets weird.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: That gets weird. Guys. Hey, Chelsea, we love you. Thank
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: you so much. We have this is a good podcast.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Vanessa and Chelsea and you we got cake cow Um Chelsea,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: thanks again, I love you too. Happy Firthday. Alright, bye Crystal,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you are again, uh just super healthy. I was gonna
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: say health and up, but that has this like weird
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: kind of taste where they get you're obsessed with being healthy.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: You're just a very healthy person. You work out well,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you eat well, you keep your body in shape, which
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: is something that I admire and appreciate about you, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do as well. One
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• 53:14
  Speaker 1: get started. It's talking about UM really focusing on a
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• 53:57
  Speaker 1: This crazy thing. So I take all these vitamins um
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  Speaker 1: my they really do, and I think they make my
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: stomach hurt. And you get sick from vitamins exactly, Yes,
• 54:09
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  Speaker 1: there's some crazy stuff going on a Bachelor Nation again.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: We have a new week with new updates. One thing
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I want to mention is, Uh, I've been in a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: little bit of the news this week. I had a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: little stiff with Ashley Spivey. Um. We have now talked
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: on the phone three day Frint times about this tiff
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: went over Twitter. Yeah, I'll give you some background here,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: but I also want to say that Ashley is going
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to be coming on the podcast next week to talk
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: about it. Um. I think it's going to be incredible
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: for us to hash this out right here on our podcast.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You find who she is because I know, but I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people listening don't. Yeah. So, Ashley
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: was on The Bachelor a couple of years ago. She
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: has now kind of left the Bachelor world. She lives
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: in New York City. She's friends with a lot of
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor UH contestants, and she's really made her life
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: mission to stand up in support of women, and hey,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I admire her for that. A little backstory here, and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Ashley and I will talk about this next week in
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: the podcast and make sure you check it out. I'm
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited for this conversation. I think it's gonna
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: go someplace deeper than most conversations go, just in life
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: in general. But what happened was I tweeted a tweet
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: just saying that I think light always outshines darkness, no
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: matter what you believe or where you're from, that the
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: light of the world will he's outshined the evil of
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the world, and that we can use the good things
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: in life to outshine the evil. Well, she because she's
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: sensitive right now and she's angry, and I get why
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: she feels like there's a lot of injustices at play,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: especially towards women, and that tweets like that are coming
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: from a place of not understanding where women what women
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: are dealing with. And so I said that was not
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: my intention, is not with my hope. But I get
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: why she's angry, and you know, it probably was just
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: bad timing, and she took it out on me, and
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: she tweeted, give me your quote again. I want to
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: hear it again. Um, my light outshines darkness. The light
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: will always prevail. Yeah, it was. It was a kind
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: of a make on Martin Luther King um. And he
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: has a really famous quote out there that just talks
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: about being the light of the world. So my tweet,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I was sitting I remember, I mean, this is this
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: is what happened. So I'm sitting in my bed, um,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what the world is just
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: feels a little. Uh, there's a lot of dissension. Uh,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: there's it's very decisive right now. There's just separation amongst
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: men and women and races. And I just I feel
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like there's this urge inside of me say that we
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: were going to do this thing, like we're gonna get there.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: We just have to continue to fight for the right things. Um.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And And that was my intention. And again I cannot
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: wait to bring her on because we are we are
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: fixed things like this is. We've had three very productive
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: conversations and we've came to a place of understanding. Um So,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: my my exact quote was, we all believe a bunch
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: of different things, and we all have our incredibly valid
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: reasons for that, but but no matter what you believe,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: we can we all agree that light conquers darkness. Darkness
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: is hate, bigotry, and justice, inequality, et cetera. Will never
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: conquer the light. And her response was pretty much was
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: saying like, hey, this is coming from a place of
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: privilege in a place that you just don't understand that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of like really heavy things going
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: on right now. And at first I took it really offensively.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So we went back and forth on Twitter and people
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: chimed in and it became this kind of a big
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: deal and it hurt because of a sudden I felt
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: like I was defending myself against the one thing that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I care so much about, which is being the light.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I really do. And um but hey, you know what
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: this brings up, Crystal Amy and everybody out there listening.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It brings up that we just need to start talking
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: more because as soon as Ashley and I got on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the phone call and started talking, there was a lot
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: of mutual respect. We realized we're on the same team.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: We both want to fight for equality. We both want
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: to fight for people to vote and to stand up
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: for what they care about. We we both want to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: fight for people to feel known, to be known, to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: feel like they can to fight in life with a purpose.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: And we only got there by talking. And so I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: think Ashley's gonna come on that podcast next week and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk. That's good, I think, though, Ben. The thing,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to be opinionated, is you're allowed to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: say what you're feeling, and Ashley is allowed to say
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: what she's feeling. But my hesitation with her is that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: she had to criticize or take you down to get
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: her message out, which seems to be counterintuitive to what
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: her message is. And I think that's exactly what she
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: would say now, and I think she realizes that this.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was funny we just got off the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: home before the podcast, because we're trying to talk as
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: much as possible to kind of get an understanding and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to feel like, okay, how as a male can I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: support women, and what can I communicate and share that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that will be effective? And um, one of the things
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: she'd even realized, you know about the podcast that we've
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: done with I Heart Radio and Supportive Women. She's like,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: that's crazy, That's exactly what I think you should be doing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, exactly, Like I'm the wrong person to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: be picking on right right, that's rights. It's like I said,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: super counterproductive to what her mission is. My hesitation on
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: her and I totally will say this to her face
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and everybody can have their opinions. She was the one
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: who sort of did the like detective work to out Garrett.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I want to know what her that was. Hervation is yeah,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Am I messing that up? Then? No,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you're not. She she was her mode ovation I think
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is well, it's not. But in the defensive Ashley and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I think next week we should just all talk. I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be awesome. I think it's gonna be incredible.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I think she has been hurt um in ways that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. Like there's things. So here's one thing
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I came to conclusion with to day, And this isn't
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: easy for me to admit, but it's something that Ashley
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: and I will talk about, and we can talk about
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: now if we want. Is as a white male from
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: a really good home, which I never want to take,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that is where I was born, My parents
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: have been great to me. I am so thankful for that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: There are things that have happened in a lot of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: people's lives, women, people of other races, people of the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: same race as me, from even the same town as me,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: in the same neighborhood as me. There are there are
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: stories to be told that I will never be able
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to understand and process. And as a result, we just
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: need to start listening. And I need to start listening,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and I need to start becoming more aware. And so
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I think what Ashley is saying, and I don't think
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: this was the best way for her to go about it.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: But look what we're doing, our talking on a podcast
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: about this issue that hundreds of thousands of people listen to,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and hundreds of thousands of people will listen to us
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: talk and hash out and I will admit to her
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: that hey, I don't get it. Please explain to me
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from, where this hurt is, where this
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: anger is, and how can we then come together in
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: unison and help share more light? Because I will never
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I will tell anybody this, and this is one thing
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I've told her. I will never ever back down to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the idea or the philosophy that light will outshine darkness.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: That's not something I will I will never never submit
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to see. That's not sweet, was fine, and it's what
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: you were feeling. I am interested to talk to her
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: because there are people that get on their soapbox and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: they forget to listen. They're so certain of their message
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and their passion, which I respect, but they forget to listen.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And I think I just find with her that I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: think she's getting something out of taking some people down,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: which I'm not a hundred percent sure is the best
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: way to go. But I will definitely be tuning in
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: to listen to that podcast. What a podcast. It's gonna
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: be awesome. Excited. She's been great, We've she has been
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: tremendous to me um here the last few days. It
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: has been more of a therapeutic experience than I ever
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: could have imagined. I'm learning a ton from her, and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I think vice versa one person, we have a lot
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: to learn from something that's been captivating the country. Something
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I'm still so confused about is Jenna Cooper. Jenna Cooper
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and Jordan's are still hashing it out. We had Jordan's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the podcast last week. We understand that the quality maybe
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't as good as what we desire for this podcast.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately Jordan was I don't know, up in the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: mountain skiing when we booked him for the podcast, so
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: blame him cutting really bad. It sounded like it was
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely awful, so we didn't get his Uh we need
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: get a clear side of the But I have read
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: so many articles been I am so confused by what
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: is happening. I'm even more there's like lawyers and what
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: is how opening and they have opposite sides, and I'm like,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: what is really happening? Yeah, so we don't get it,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: but I don't think anybody does. I would love Crystal
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Free to weigh in on this because you were with
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: them in Paradise. Um. But a little backstory just in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: case you missed last week's episode or you didn't watch Paradise.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Is Jenna and Jordan dated in Paradise. They come off
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Paradise engaged and the love Uh long story short to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: just speed up the process. There were them some pictures
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: of tweets that came out where Jenna was texting another guy, UM,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of very like romantic things. Jordan and Jenna
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: then ended up breaking up once these pictures were released. UM,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Jenna puts out a statement and then uh, just recently
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: she posts on her Instagram from Hatch Little and bun LP,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: which I'm assuming is the UM attorneys a forensic report
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: digging into where these pictures of the text came from,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: who sent them, and there is an investigation on its way.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's under investigation right now. And all
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I can think about is this is a really sad
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: situation for a couple of reasons. But let's start at
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: the beginning. Um, given just given the fact that maybe
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Jenna did cheat on Jordan's this has now blown up
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: to be something that is costing. I can't imagine tens
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. Uh, that is just being dragged out,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Like what is the point to be proven? So Crystal,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I think Amy, I think Mark and East and everybody
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in studio. I just want to let you talk here
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: and get your side. You you probably have a little
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: more insight into this than anybody else. Yeah, I mean
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I was definitely in paradise with Jenna and Jordan's and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: I watched that whole relationship really form, and you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I have to say that Jordan was so smitten with Jenna.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, he really felt hard for her, and you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: could kind of see, you know, Jenna how this connection
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: with Ben Watt and then also with Jordan at the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: same time, and really towards the end, I remember seeing
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: her after the proposal and she just told me, she goes,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I go, are you okay? I've grabbed her and polder.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: She was shaking and very white, and she said he
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to propose. He told me he wasn't going
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: to propose, and I was like what, And you know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: and we were both, I mean, we were both just
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: still shaking from the whole rush of the proposal and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: and I know, I read a lot of things that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: had kind of come out on Reddit saying that their
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: relationship um that Jenna wasn't really invested in it. And
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: so when the whole scandal kind of came out, I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say I wasn't surprised, but something
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: smelled a little fishy. Yeah, I mean there had been
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of rumors that have been going out that,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: so I wasn't surprised when that that's where it kind
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: of came out. But honestly, I feel for them because
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I thought that their relationship, I mean, it was pretty volatile.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: They were extreme highs and extreme lows, and you just
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: saw a lot of movement in paradise um and I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: think that ultimately, I think this is just getting really
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: blown out of proportion and weird, and it's just needs
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: to stop. Just It's like, does anybody think I actually
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: really care? I don't totally care about I don't care.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: If she's disagree with you, I'll disagree with you. Now
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I think this drawing out the process has now forced
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: me to care. Mm hmm. Interesting. Yeah, So like I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: didn't care before, I mean I still cared, like breakups
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: are terrible. And I was into the Jenna Jordan relationship
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was cool for both of them
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: that Geordan had found somebody to compliment him, and you know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: he had became you know, gone from villain to sweetheart
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: as well. I thought that story line with something that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: was something I wanted to cheer for So it was
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: like when I read the news that they were breaking up,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, set, I mean, just like I would,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: this is sad and this is this doesn't seem like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: it's healthy now. I mean, I'm literally reading reports on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Instagram that she posted this. I mean, this is the investigation.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I'm reading legal documents right. That's why I'm completely befuddled
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: by this, Like what is happening? I'm trying to pull
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: up her. Has anyone gotten all the way through that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: legal document? I'm like, so, what's the cliff note version
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: of it? Give it to me like five emojis like
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: coumbs up, thumbs down, Who's at fault? Because I started
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: going through it and it's just like, I mean, just
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: the legal joy. I need someone. We should hire it,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: we should call someone in. We need a lawyer just
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: to kind of give us a very a quick cliff
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: note version of it. But I'm like, it's jargon. What
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: is it saying? Bendy? What does it? What does it mean? Um?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: So here here's the notice. UM let me read you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: the last page of this. The next step and then
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: investigative process would be to the review the source device
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: on which the alleged messages were received. If the source
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: device that received the messages has not been forensically analyzed,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: there's no way the messages posted online could be categorized
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and vetted and verified. So what that's saying. It sounds
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: like it's they needed look at this phone that the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: guy that she was texting that then shared the messages.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: They need to see his phone. He's not giving it up,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: so this so it's saying, it's like, there's no way
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: to continue this process unless they get his phone um
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: or they get a warrant for his phone, and then
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it ends. The findings, conclusions, recommendations, and opinions and this
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: report are based on the information known by and disclosed
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: to produce three And it's the date of this report.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Get it? Are you guys done? Yeah? But then are
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you reading this person? Good morning princess? Like there's like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: transcripts of text and then it says lip emoji was
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: sent from MS Cooper's phone to Mr Kimball's phone, So
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: why is it going from her phone to his phone
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: that says good morning princess and then me either my
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: heart's already melting was sent from Mr Kimball to Miss Cooper.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: That's very poetic texting, by the way, Like I've never
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: received any sort of text in my life that's said
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: my heart is melting, good morning, princess. Nothing I get like, hey,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: stop texting me? Where do you? Where do you find
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: your men? Not at the castle? This is uh so. Anyways,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: here's my opinion, um, and I'm entitled to it. I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: think Crystal said the best. This just needs to stop,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Like why am I involved in this process? Like why
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: am I being dragged in? And obviously we have a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: podcast we're gonna talk about it. But even if I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: wasn't on the podcast and I followed Jenna Cooper fit
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: on Instagram, I'm gonna see some legal documents. Why is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: this my business? Why has it become my business? What
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: is the intention? What is the endgame? Where is this going?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: And let's just make it stop. Like you broke up,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: it's ugly. Whatever happened isn't good for either side. I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: don't care who's at fault anymore. The text messages are
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: weird no matter what. So so here's here's the two scenarios.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong, Crystal. The one scenario is, um,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: these text messages are real. Uh they were sent. They
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: were it was sharing a new relationship. That's weird, Like
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: these text message are pretty weird to be engaged in
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: sending the text message wake up in the morning. It
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: says my heart is melting for you with lip emojis.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: The second alternative is that these texts are fake. So somebody,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I think what this is saying is UM made these
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: texts and pasted them and made it look like it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: was from Jenna's phone. That's weird too. So I'm reading
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it right now. I'm reading it right now, and what
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: it looks like I can have actually gotten this far
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: into the document um is that it looks like these
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: are exchanges between Jenna and Jordan's and the whole um
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: photos that came out. We're saying that these are photos
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: text messages from Jenna to another man. And so what
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: this document is saying is the photo the text messages
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: are between Jenna and Jordan's. So it was I think
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: what ultimately, and honestly, I wanted I wanted to take
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: a second from Jenna because um, I don't believe in
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: cheating out. It's never okay, But I do want to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: say from Jenna's perspective. I know, like we go on
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor and Paradise, and I know Jenna was really excited,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: as you know, I think we all were. You have
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: a brand and give a platform to kind of share
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: your message, and Jenna's a businesswoman and you know, does
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: a lot within her community, and I think, I know,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: coming out of Paradise was I'm sure very much looking
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: forward to the opportunities that come with you know, being
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: on the show and then having that relationship celebrated. And
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: at the eve of literally like the eleventh hour of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: the finale, I mean the day of the finale leaks,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: this whole story leaks, which is tanks Jenna's reputation, and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: really like when you go through that whole journey and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: process and to have really all the opportunities and reputation
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: kind of taken from her. And I know she's very
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: close with her family and has a lot of younger
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: like several younger sisters that she really is very conscious
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: of how she behaves to set that example for them.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: So I know that I think Jenna is really just
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: trying to clean her reputation. Does she have two boyfriends
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: or not? That like class, I don't need all these
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: documents and any of this. Here's what I want to know.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: You're engaged to Jordan's totally fine. Do you have like
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend? That was kind of the timing is a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: little dicey, like what's the real deal? And then otherwise
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care. You know. It's like I could understand
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: if you know, she went into Paradise and maybe was
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: seeing someone and I was like, I'm not gonna date anyone,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: and then like you know, fell in love and not
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: someone and got engaged. I mean I was a hundred
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: percent agle, but um and coming out of it and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: you're like, just just I am not projecting. This was
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: not me. But you know, like I know last season
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: in Paradise there were multiple women who had boyfriends who
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: were going on the show, like and she meets someone
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and it takes my surprise and comes back and it's like,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: oh I got a boyfriend, Like I was dating someone
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: before the show. I wouldn't care. That would be like, okay,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: so figured out are you gonna be with that guy
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: or this guy? That's like, you know, we all stumble
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: through life, we all make mistakes, right, it's a matter
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: of learning and growing. Like Ben was saying earlier with
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Ashley s but it's um, if you made
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a mistake and messed up, it's just own up to it.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: And I think every one just once just the truth.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: And I think when you come and I can say
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: that from having been been villainized on the show, and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: it's just a matter of rather than being defense defense defense,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: but taking a second, breathing, owning it, stating what you
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: need to stay, owning the truth, and then moving forward.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I think everyone everyone can move forward. Do you think
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I think we all watch Yeah, I mean it's like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: so weird. Do you think maybe she's like a little
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: bit because I do think the timing is interesting that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: the day after these instagrams were posted, the day after,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Jordan's was on Dancing with the Stars, which is like
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: a humongous TV show dancing not able to rip his
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: shirt off with the Jenna Dancing with the Jenda Jenna
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: right and and Joe. So, Ben, do you think that
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: that has anything to do with like why the timing?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: M M, yeah, so just somebody's clear. Last night on
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: for this week on Dance with the Stars, Joe brought
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: in Jordan to be his partner on the show's that's
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: a crazy partnership. In general, they were terrible, absolutely terrible Joe,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: but then they were absolutely awful, like they struggle bad. Um.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a secret at this point, but UM,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I wonder if there's a little resentment. You
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: have to imagine there's some jealousy there. This seems like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: a battle. Um, at this point, we should just move on.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody here. This is now kind of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: one of those scenarios that whatever injustice was being done, um,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: can be something that both parties could forgive. We can
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: forgive both parties and just let's just close it. And
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I think Jenna's reputation would actually be better here. And
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: here's the truth, Like none of us this, like the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Bachelor World, is great. Nobody cares about us that much.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: And if you just stopped talking for like twenty four hours,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: other does something crazy from this show that will take
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: over the headlines. I mean, how do we keep a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: whole show going on for every week of the year,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: because every week there's new Batchel updates of somebody else
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: doing something absolutely asinine and ridiculous that we get to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: talk about and share until the show's on again, and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: we get a whole new group of goofballs. They're gonna
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: mess up, try really hard, break up, hook up, whatever
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: they're gonna do, and we're gonna talk about it. So
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: just stop talking for a while and all this will
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: go away. Jenna the Almost Famous Podcast supports you. Jordan's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: The almost Famous Podcast supports you. But next time, when
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: you book and come on our podcast, find a quiet
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: place you're almost Um hey, Crystal, you've been awesome. You've
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: been really really great. We've got to go or our
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: listeners are gonna absolutely destroy because it's been a long podcast.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Um you. Uh, we're so happy for you. Happy birthday.
• 1:17:45
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• 1:17:48
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• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Like that is some juicy juice. It's gonna be great
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: and could be strong Ben and not just be like
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: what was your perfect Ben? I don't need that, need
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: be that's like a warrior. Yeah, this is this is
• 1:18:07
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• 1:18:10
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• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: gonna say I think we've saved a lot to dig into,
• 1:18:15
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• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: will not back down. There's a lot I don't understand,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: but there's also a lot I do understand, and I
• 1:18:21
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• 1:18:23
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• 1:18:26
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• 1:18:29
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• 1:18:33
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• 1:18:36
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• 1:18:39
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• 1:18:50
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