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From My DMs - Your Divorce Questions Answered · Reflect Reclaim & Liberate - with Sallyanne Hartnell

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate, a podcast covering all things relationships, separation, and divorce.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: How to create healthy, happy, fulfilling relationships without sacrificing any part of yourself, supporting anyone feeling challenged in their relationship or marriage.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: These are confidential conversations for you if you're navigating separation, divorce, or reorganising life afterwards.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Decide whether to stay or leave a relationship or marriage, divorce with less drama, and consciously choose what's next for you.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is recorded, the warrantry people of the Kulin Nation, and pay my respects to their elders, past, present, and emerging.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: I acknowledge them as the original storytellers of this land.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to this week's episode of the podcast.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And in today's episode, I'm going to answer a few questions that have popped in over the last little while in my Instagram DMs.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: The first being, how do I get over my ex?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Recovery from a breakup of a long-term relationship.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: How do I get over them?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, whether you chose to end the relationship or not, I don't know the answer to that.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think it matters.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it matters whether you chose to leave the relationship, whether it was something that was thrust upon you, there can still be grief and sadness and processing to be done.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: So the first thing I guess is to allow yourself time.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Allow time and space to grieve and process.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, even if it was you who chose to end it.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: And remembering that just because it feels hard and sad and lonely and you miss this other person, it doesn't mean that you were wrong to leave or it was wrong for the relationship to end or you should reach out and go back.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's also really key here to accept and almost surrender or lean into, however you want to phrase it, to the process, knowing that this won't be linear.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you might be really okay and feeling fine one day and not so much the next.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: So expect and accept that you will be lonely, you will miss this other person.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: There will be holes left in your everyday life that they once filled, that connection with them once filled.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: So expect there to be holes, expect there to be moments, expect to miss them, and just allow that to be okay.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Accept it, it's really normal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also, it doesn't mean that you should go back into the relationship.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: So accept and expect that you will feel knocked off center, that you might question everything, including your own judgment.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's really common stepping out of a long-term relationship that you look back and you question it, you question yourself, you question your own judgment.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Expect to feel like that.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um ask for help and support.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: Reach out to your people, personal, professional, and yes, that might include working with me as your coach or a therapist, but scaffold yourself with people who can hold space for you.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, to scream and cry and rant and all the things, but also just to build you back up and hold you while you move through this.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next part of it is to switch focus, to look towards the future you most want to create for yourself.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: This can be an opportunity, and I often talk about separation, divorce, relationship breakdown as an opportunity, it's an opportunity to spring clean your life physically and metaphorically.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: And if this is speaking to you, I encourage you to go back and have a listen to there's an episode of the podcast on decluttering after divorce.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it really is an opportunity to look at what you want to keep in your life and what you are ready to let go of, what you're ready to declutter.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: It can also be, you know, the renewal, the spring after your winter.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you allow yourself the time and space to grieve, allow the wintery season of hunkering down, hibernation, and also look to your spring.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: What does that look and feel like for you?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is it about exploring things that you've never been brave enough to try before, but maybe you've always kind of wanted to?
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is it about reclaiming parts of yourself you'd let go or kept small in that particular relationship?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it about stepping outside of your comfort zone, your safety zone, and opening yourself up to something new?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not necessarily talking new relationship here, I'm talking about new experience.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do you get over your X?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's slow.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's a process.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: So allow the process and expect it to be nonlinear, expect it to be two steps forward, one step back, a sideways shuffle, but then refocus, keep your vision of what you want to create and what you want to be, the person you want to become.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Keep that at the core of your vision.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to become and step into the most fully you, the most fully expressed, real and authentic version of yourself.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I'm meaning when I talk about opportunity.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: You get to decide that.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope that's answered your question.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: If it was yours or if that's your ex your experience.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: The next question, and this, if I'm really honest, this is one that pops up with one-on-one clients as well as semi-regular in DMs.
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  SPEAKER_00: My ex or my co-parent is constantly late to pickups and change over.
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  SPEAKER_00: What can I do?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: How can I handle it?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm answering this question, I'm really talking about it being a repeated pattern of behaviour.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: And in this particular instance, was a primary school age child where changeover was at a school event.
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  SPEAKER_00: This person said, I'm dropping my child, and her other parent is supposed to be there since a parent needs to be on site at all times.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: The changeover time had been set for let's say 9:30 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's after this time already, but the other person hasn't, other parent hasn't arrived, and I have to get to work.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do I handle this situation?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a regular occurrence.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, in this situation, the the person client had had text conversations with the other parent, and they've said they'll be there before the event ends, even though the agreement was a 9:30 a.m.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: changeover, and there's supposed to be a parent on site at all time.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Can I leave?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, in this situation, my suggestion is firstly inform the school of the situation and whether that's in the moment, like quickly, because you've got to get to work, right?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or ahead of time, this is a repeat pattern of behavior, this is what's happening, and then nominate another child, not another child, let me start that again.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: Nominate another adult that the child knows well as effectively their person, their guardian, right?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if something happens, they are the go-to for the child.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes this is already embedded in the school records, but in this particular situation, a parent was supposed to be on site at all time, other parents were staying there on site, and so one of those other parents that the child knows could have been named as the child's safe adult go-to person until the other parent arrives, enabling the question asker, the client, to leave, get to work.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: So she's put a safety net around the child, the school knows, the other parent knows, the child knows, I'm leaving, dad's coming, Mary is your safe person until dad gets here.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: At best, this is disorganization and poor time management by the other parent.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: At worst, it's manipulation and not okay.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's about putting boundaries in place, and if the other person is not respecting the boundaries, about scaffolding the child and keeping it child-centered with other responsible adults, teachers, staff, and also somebody that the child knows.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if this is a repeat pattern and it's happening with you, try to structure your changeovers where you are out of the picture.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's at the end of the school day or it's at the end of taekwondo at 5:30, whatever it is.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the other parent is responsible, and the organization, be that the school or the sporting organization or the dance academy, whatever it is, the other organization knows that it's on him or her, not you.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: So when they're late to pick up, they're not impacting you, they're impacting the school, the teacher, the after hours care person, whoever it is.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and of course, they're impacting the child.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it just takes there's one less point of conflict between you and the other parent if you're not the one who's being impacted.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: The next question that I'm going to address is my kids are taking sides in our divorce.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to suggest that with this question, my kids are taking sides, how do I deal with it?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: The side they're taking is not yours, right?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um this happens, I mean, happens across it tends to happen across age ranges, but more often with teenagers or young adults, okay?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the other parent is oversharing with teenagers or with um young adults.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it's important for you to validate their feelings, the kids I'm talking about, their feelings, their emotions, without defending yourself, becoming dismissive or defensive.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Allow them to feel and say whatever it is they need to say and take it on board, accept it.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Don't block it, don't push back, don't dismiss it.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can say things like, I understand this is really hard for you, and I'm here if you want to talk about it.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: As I said, hard as it is, avoid being defensive.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: If your child challenges you with accusations or perspectives they've heard from the other parent, try and stay calm, resist the urge to react in defense defensively, instead say something like, I can understand why it might feel that way.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell me more about it?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: And as tempting as it might be, don't speak badly of their other parent as much as you might like to.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Respond with empathy and as much neutrality as you can, acknowledge what they are sharing with you without getting into the right, wrong, good, bad, victim, villain sort of story or narrative, and encourage and support their bond and relationship with their other parent, even if that is not being reciprocated.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can also, with young adult kids and sometimes teenagers, and this of course is age and stage appropriate, be honest and transparent without oversharing.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really tricky balance to strike, especially if you're the one being cast in the villain role.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: It is okay, even with adult children, in fact, I think it's really important to do this, to keep some of the things personal and private and to gently push back if they're asking intrusive questions or berating you for what's being shared with them from their other parent.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Provide honest, age-appropriate information to help your child, even if they're a young adult, understand the situation.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Avoid details that might vivilify the other parent or place your kid in a position where they feel they need to take sides, that it's one or the other.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Explain that there are always different sides to a story, different versions of truth, and that two truths can be true simultaneously.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we each have our version of a story, and in the middle somewhere is the actual truth.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: I've got my version, your dad or your mum's got their version in the middle is the truth.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: But it's more about exploring what they think and how they feel and asking them questions and reflecting back what you hear than being defensive or trying to explain yourself or trying to overshare.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So setting really clear, healthy boundaries, making it clear that you're open to talking about the divorce.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there are some things that will remain private and that they don't need to feel like the go-between between their parents, they don't have to choose.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can also empathize without over-explaining.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: You might want to provide context or defend your actions, focus more on understanding their perspective and validating their experiences and what they're telling you.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's also really, really important in this situation to be the grown-up, even if your kids are young adults.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Be the grown-up by modeling grown-up emotionally mature behavior and healthy conflict resolution strategies, healthy communication strategies.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, even if, in fact, especially if it's not being modelled by their other parent.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Show them, show how to manage emotions and resolve conflicts in really hard situations, but in healthy ways.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: How you talk about the situation, how you manage your own emotions, how you hand handle interactions with your ex-partner, what you say about them, even your body language when they're mentioned in conversation, they are watching.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Your kids are watching this, and that goes for all kids, whatever their age.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm gonna say here, do acknowledge mistakes.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you've said or done something that directly contributed to the breakdown of your marriage, and the kids know about it, you need to own your mistakes.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Again, this is age and stage appropriate, and in this situation, I'm speaking to older teenagers, young adult kids.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: So you can apologize for the impact your mistakes have had on your kids, on how it's changed everybody's lives.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Acknowledge your mistakes and show a willingness to make things better, to look to a future, to create something different, and ask them to share with you openly and honestly how it's impacted them, how it's made them feel, and try and find a way to make good with them.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Also encourage them to form their own opinions.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Invite them to reflect, invite them to think openly and curiously and critically and form their own opinions rather than accepting one parent's version of events without question.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, invite them to perhaps think about versions of truth or shades of grey.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um you might ask them what they really believe rather than what they're perhaps being told from the other parent, the other side of the family.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can encourage them to form their own opinion.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can even say something like, It's it's really okay to have your own feelings and beliefs about this.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to believe what I believe about it, you don't have to believe what your dad or your mum believe about it.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's important that you have your own beliefs and and you acknowledge your own feelings about it.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: If the themes in this episode are resonating with you, if it's bringing up things that you would like to explore on a deeper level with me, you can book a free intro call via the link in the show notes and we can discuss coaching options.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to support you.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: And now back to this week's episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to feel the same way as I do or as your other parent does.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to take that on.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can create your own story about it.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a relationship with the other parent where you can communicate directly with them, invite them for a conversation, even a coffee, and talk about how you can both center the kids in the separation or divorce and allow them the space to be kids, yeah, even if they're adults, because they still are kids in this situation.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: You are the parents, they are the kids.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can have a conversation with your other partner, or other partner, other parent, explore how you can both best keep your kids out of the conflict and out of a space where they feel they have to choose a victim and a villain.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's unintentional.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes one parent lays leans a little too heavily on kids without meaning necessarily to vilify their other parent.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Not always, but if you can, give the benefit of doubt and invite a conversation about how you can both best support your kids through this change in their family and allow them to maintain healthy relationships with both of you.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And finally, if nothing else works, encourage them, your children I mean, your kids, encourage them to seek their own support, a therapist, a coach, and you know, possibly last stitch, if it's really really difficult to open conversation with them, maybe try a third-party neutral.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It might be a friend, a family friend, someone that they know and trust who can broker a conversation, who can foster a conversation between you, or it might be a counsellor, therapist, mediator.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Also give them time and space, be patient, understand that you know, healing and rebuilding trust, it's going to take time.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Don't rush them to get over it or move on from their feelings.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just because you're ready for them to move on and get over their feelings.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: You need to respect their process, and your child, teenager, adult child might need a little bit of distance for a while, um, or they may, you know, flip back and forth in them their emotions.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we need to allow our kids to navigate their feelings at their own pace, and that can be really, really hard and a bit heartbreaking, let's face it.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Next question that did come in my DMs recently was as a single person, how do I overcome loneliness as an introvert and a homebody?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: How to come how to overcome loneliness as an introvert or a self-described homebody when you're single after separation, divorce, ending a long-term relationship.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And my tips around this are really about taking small, small steps, baby steps, and committing to engaging in small interactions with others.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say daily, regularly, I'm gonna say daily would be great, but just regularly and a little bit at a time.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because as introverts, as an introvert, you gain your energy, your recharge from time alone, but that doesn't mean you don't need connection and community, you don't need connection with other humans, so it's just little bit by little bit.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: I would also encourage you, if this is you or how you're moving through separation, divorce, to find your thing.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, is it a craft group?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a book club?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Is it the local community garden, a walking group, or a volunteer space where you can be around others and interact gently without it needing to be a really big thing, without it needing to be more than you can manage or tolerate.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So whether you're looking for partnership, companionship or connection in whatever way, do things you enjoy, and you will likely connect with others who also enjoy the same sorts of things.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's about getting out of our own way to stepping outside of our comfort zone.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Even as introverts and home homebodies, we are hardwired as human beings for connection and community.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's about finding the connection and community that feels good for you, and that requires us to step outside our comfort zone and make new connections, new bonds, explore new things, new options.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: But they don't need to be huge events, lots of people.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: You can find smaller, quieter space spaces to create that human connection.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And things like Stitch, which is a not for profit connection group.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's for dating, but it's also for other activities and connections.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've been hearing some really great things about.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: So have a look online.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: There are also online book clubs, online craft groups, online painting workshops, whatever it is.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: However, you can build a human connection and be part of a Community while still maintaining your introverted homebody type life.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Find connection and community that feels good for you, what works for you, but don't hibernate and hide from other human beings completely.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: The last question that slid into my DMs recently was I had an affair and now I want my wife back, but she won't talk to me.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: What do I do?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, firstly, you do need to respect her space and her boundaries and understand that she may still need time and space to process her emotions, feel the hurt, work through her broken heart and broken trust in you.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: So pressuring her to talk or meet up or reconcile too soon can actually push her further away.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: So give her the time and space she needs to heal.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Respect her space and her boundaries.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um take responsibility, acknowledge the pain you've caused without making excuses, deflecting, shifting blame.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: A sincere, unqualified apology is necessary here.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: You need to take full responsibility for your behaviour.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's crucial in rebuilding and listening to her and what she wants and needs from you and responding accordingly.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's hard if she says, I don't want to talk to you, and you really are desperate to talk to her.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Also, it's an invitation, right?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's an invitation to honestly reflect on why the affair happened.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's an invitation to take a deep and brutally honest look at you and why you had an affair and commit to fixing that underlying issue or reason, not just telling her it won't happen again.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Commit to fixing the underlying issues, working through the reasons with her, but also on your own.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then show her.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Don't just tell her, show her with genuine aligned action and behavior that you're willing to do whatever it takes.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Show your partner, show genuine change through consistent action.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, even if she won't see you one-to-one or face-to-face, commit to consistently showing up with actions that align with your words.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Be your word, don't just talk the talk, but do your individual work.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: If she's open, a professional, neutral third party, counsellor, therapist, coach, mediator can actually be useful in moving conversation towards healing and resolution between you, whatever that looks like, whatever the outcome.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: So communicating your feelings without pressuring her or overlaying your own desires and your timeline is important.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: If she is open to communication, maybe in written form, express, express yourself, express your desire to work things out, your commitment to doing your work and whatever it takes to rebuild the relationship.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: So it's important to share what you're feeling openly and honestly, but without putting pressure on her to respond or make any decisions right away.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, focus on patience, focus on consistently consistency and consistently showing up so that your actions match your words.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Forgiveness, if it comes, might not be a quick path.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, you need to be prepared that she won't forgive you and won't want a reconciliation.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: And as harsh and as brutal that sounds, it may be your reality.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And if that's the case, not to retaliate, to be your word, to act in alignment with your values, be prepared that she might not want to reconcile reconcile.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: And while that will be painful, it will add to the pain you're already feeling.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: You need to respect her decision and focus on you, on your work, your growth, your healing, your learning.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you've got a little bit of something from each of these questions that situation scenarios that I've shared today.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you've got a question of your own, please feel free to DM me and I will address it in upcoming episodes.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: If any or all of this is resonating with you and you would like to discuss how we can work together, there is an option to book a one-on-one call with me via the link in the show notes.
• 26:26
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• 26:32
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• 26:36
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• 26:50
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• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: As always, thanks for being here.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 27:03
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