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- Glenn Ordway: So here we go. It is episode number three. And we are cooking. We told you that Pete Shepherd would be a regular, and there is the big fella right there, looking very sapper. And look look at that shirt. And it looks great. New new studio. He's in a brand new studio. Look at that. It looks fantastic. Wow. Woo! riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Went from went from palm trees and the ocean in the background to whatever this is. Glenn Ordway: You have upgraded, my friend. No question about it. we'll be riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: You look marvelous, I must say, Clinton. You look you look marvelous. Glenn Ordway: somewhat sports-centric in this episode. We'll also get into some stories. We have got plenty of stories to tell you from riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Boo. I like stories. Glenn Ordway: over the years, and we'll get into that as well. But I've been chastised by those podcast people, and they're saying, Why aren't you telling the people to subscribe? Why aren't you telling the people to like your podcast? And I said, Well, how do you force them? If they don't like your podcast, they don't like your podcast. Yeah, but you're supposed riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: You will you will like your podcast now. Glenn Ordway: to push it on people because apparently if they like it, I I don't know, the algorithms apparently change and I guess that's the case. I riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. Well and again when you say you know subscribe people all they were automatically associated with it costs money. It's free. Most most of them are free. I mean, why would you pay money for this? Glenn Ordway: This is right. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: On on YouTube. I mean we want sponsors and all that stuff. But you know I'm saying you're gonna Glenn Ordway: Sure. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: this there's too many options for free out there. We're not gonna charge anybody for this. Glenn Ordway: Good point, Pete. I should say subscribe. It's free. That's what I should say. I don't know. So I'm learning. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: We're learning on the fly. All right, let's get to let's start with the Patriots. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Okay. Glenn Ordway: because we get big game coming up this weekend in Jacksonville. they are one and one, which I know there are a lot of questions about them right now, a lot of injuries. This is not a team with great depth. And yet, I think after two games, I thought they would be one and one. So they are. They are what we thought they were, except there's some questions about the quarterback right now, and I think rightfully so. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No, th no there's no question. I look, I think you go back to the Seattle game. We talked about it last week that I was very impressed that they were up ten nothing, hostile environment in that place, bad coffee. Sorry, Buck. Starbucks at every corner. I'm still Yeah, I'm still a donkey Glenn Ordway: Pete's coffee is what you want. Pete. Yep. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: guy, even down here a little bit. But anyway, the look, it's two games. He yes, there were issues. I don't think there's a lot of issues on defense so far. it's been fantastic. Glenn Ordway: No, they're good. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Offensively, yes. Just like last year there were a couple of issues. Now Would we feel better if they had had ten or fourteen more points, such as Ramondre Stevenson's fumble and the bad interception early on by Drake May after he made that great play to Dobbs, and he throws the interception right after that. There was a delay game, all that stuff. Would we feel better if the score was thirty to three? Probably like it should have been as opposed to twenty to three, even though I never felt the game was in doubt. there and and there are issues you go back and look at the Eagles, you go back and look at People who are underestimating the Chiefs for the first two weeks for some reason. I don't understand it. Look at look at Minnesota and Chicago. What happened to the Bears? What do you think they're talking about in Chicago? You go from what was going to be the highest prolific offense Glenn Ordway: What are you talking about? They had three po they got three points. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: in the history of the game to three points to the Minnesota Vikings? I mean, it's just a lot it's week two because an extension of the preseason, so I tend not to and I'm not saying you, but others who are just overreacting beyond belief and really f a lot of people just sound stupid. And it's just it's Glenn Ordway: Well, but riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: just overreaction. They have not learned. And I love when I go back on my Facebook page, Glenn, especially some of the the memories that come up during the Super Bowl years. And you see people reacting after a first couple of games or as the season progresses and some of these comments still come up, it's just like what planet or parallel universe are you some of you people live on? It's it's I know fan fanatic, but just sometimes, yes, they deserve criticism. Yes, Drake may deserve s some criticism. But l let's let's relax, 'cause if you people were in Chicago this week talking about that team, after what they did in week one compared to week two, you'd be having a f a a full panic attack. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Well, you can look around the entire league and you're right. So you you learn nothing in the first two weeks of an NFL season. Matter of fact, I don't think you learn anything in the first four or five weeks, especially now with with preseason, the way teams operate in preseason, nobody plays any regulars. So you're playing the 70th, the eightieth, and the nineth player on your roster, trying to figure out if they have a place even on your practice squad. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Uh-huh. Glenn Ordway: That's what preseason is about right now. Preseason is not about getting your veterans, getting your regular players ready for the season. It just isn't. And it shows, Pete, in the first few games. This is some really awkward football right now. And look at how many injuries you're finding across the league right now. And major injuries to key players. And the Patriots got hit badly this past week. I mean, the Michael Owenu injury is a big one for the Patriots. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: They had no depth in that offensive line, none whatsoever. And now they lose the right tackle. And I thought the right side of their their O line was probably the strong point. Though I didn't think Moses had a great game against Watt in this one on on Sunday, but I think riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But again, but but against Watt, again, that's one of those not many people not many people have great games against Watt. But Glenn Ordway: great player. It's a great player. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: but you know, in game one they didn't give up a sack. The offensive line didn't give up a sack, if I remember correctly. But mm hmm. Glenn Ordway: No, I think the offensive line has actually been okay. I didn't think Wilson was great at center, because they put some pressure on riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Yep. Glenn Ordway: on May up the middle. So there were, you know, here and there. And and we saw what the the offensive line was like last year in the playoffs, and it was not not a pretty pretty sight. So let's get to Drake May, because that's the one that concerns me. You just brought up, and I thought you made the valid point. He makes a great play, and then the very next play, he makes a shitty play. So What is happening up here? Because we know the kids got the ability. We saw it all of last year. I don't care what schedule you're playing. You can be playing pop water teams. If you are playing at that level and you are considered the runner up for MVP, that's a hell of a season. That tells me that you've got the skill set to be able to perform at a really high level. And he does it at times, and you brought it up. He'll go and make a great play. Then the very next play, the interception, the very next play, delay of game. I mean, I think it's a head thing. I think he's lost confidence. And this is going to be on Josh McDaniels now to try to get his head together. And how do you do that when you're trying to to to play call in a normal game? You're looking at Jacksonville's defense. You're trying to exploit certain parts of them. This is the game plan you come up with, but you gotta be concerned because Drake can do it on first down, but on third down, maybe he can't do it. That is a problem. And Drake May has got to do this on his own. He's got to clear his head and get back to where he was last year. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Look, I agree with everything you just said. I write Glenn Ordway: Write it down. You've never said that to me before. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: that down. Now granted he's yeah, people think okay, he should have progressed. Okay, this should not have happened. But remember what happened to the Patriots in two thousand one after they won the Super Bowl. They start off remember we they start off four and like gangbusters, killing people. And then all of a sudden the bleep hit the fan. So much so. And this is the overreaction. I I'll never for Yeah. Glenn Ordway: You can't do hold on. You can't do that. You can't take one season to another. We all agree. We both agree, Pete, that the start of a season is funky. Weird shit happens. And it doesn't necessarily mean that what you're seeing in the first four weeks, you're going to see in week 10, 11, 12, or 13. I totally I think we're on the same page with that one. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I'm I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying let me let's if he c if this continues in Jacksonville and the game after, okay, then then we got a ser there Glenn Ordway: Then you're g then you're gonna overreact. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: an issue. But I I I'm just I'm just not ready to go there yet that he's lost confidence. Let's let's see and the depth let Glenn Ordway: Well what do you think it is? Why why is he do why is he doing this? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I don't think it's a lack of confidence. It's a bad judgment. You know, I don't think it's confidence. I don't think it's that at all. 'Cause he made he made bad he made Glenn Ordway: What is bad what is w well, if you're showing bad riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a couple of bad decisions. Jalen Hurts made some bad decisions they against Tennessee. Lamar Jackson made some bad decisions in their loss to to New Orleans. There's I mean, there's Glenn Ordway: Well, but every riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a lot of quarterbacks that made a lot of bad decisions. it it tr what happened in Jacksonville. tra Glenn Ordway: Repeat through two games, two through two games, I think he's in quarterback rating. He's 30th in the league. He's not the 30th quarterback in that league. So yes, other quarterbacks are making bad plays as well. But I'm only concentrating right now on Drake May. He's got riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: to figure this stuff stuff out. I don't think it's a play calling situation. I don't think it's a Josh McDaniels problem. I riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I agree. I agree. Glenn Ordway: and you and I think you're right. I think the offensive line has been better than what we thought it would be through the first two games. So what is it? Okay. I mean, and he has to do it now for we don't know for how many games without AJ Brown. So riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: AJ Brown is your number one receiver. That's your Binky. That's the guy you're gonna go to. Obviously, Hunter Henry, you can Exactly. Right now? Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Hunter Henry should be universal receiver too. I I want to see more. I think Williams has got to step up his game. He got to step up his game. We know he's got to Mac Collins I love. I mean, he's gonna be solid and you know, knock on wood as long as he stays really to be healthy. But and and Pop Douglas, you know, early on, and then he kind of you know, I'd like to see him get more involved. But Kyle Williams is a guy for me that's got to step it up. He's got the speed. We've seen it. We know he can burn people. It's about route running with him. Sometimes he disappears for me too often. He should be open a lot more, in my opinion, because I I know what he's capable of, but sometimes great speed does not translate, as we say, to football speed. And you gotta have football speed, which is why Edelman and Welco and those guys were just absolutely phenomenal. Maybe not the fastest forty yard dash guys, but football speed wise, they could they could run routes with the best of I think Kyle Williams, that's my guy. That I need to see you step up, Glenn. Glenn Ordway: Look. Pop Douglas, the best play he had in that game was probably that block on that long run. It was tremendous. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: It was tremendous. So without AJ Brown, it I think is going to be a challenge here for Drake May. But he's got to figure it out. These are really good teams he's playing in the next couple of weeks. And then suddenly you get the Raiders on the other side, and the Raiders apparently are not as they're not as bad as we thought they were going to be. And the Jets are not as bad as we thought they could be. They're stupid. We saw it at the end of the Green Bay game, but they're better than they've been in the past. I'm just saying he's got to figure it out. And I think it's all on him. I don't think there's anything they can do to help him out. I've heard people say that this week. Well, they've got to do this. They've got to that. What do you do? It and and I do think it's a confidence problem. I know you don't, but I think it is a confidence problem. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Not yet. It might be. No, I'm not there. I'm not ready to go there. I just think he's gotta just get make a couple of better decisions. Glenn Ordway: And how many games in five games in the playoffs last year and he riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Against three of the best defenses in the league. Yeah, I mean, so what did you expect? Thirty five points and three hundred yards and four touchdowns a game? I mean, I didn't. Glenn Ordway: Which well then it then it goes then it goes back to the argument about well, he was the recipient of the easiest schedule in the league last year. So yeah, he he he overperformed because he was playing against, you know, weak teams. So it brings up that argument. And I'm not necessarily riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, but then I counter that with, and I said this last week, the Denver Broncos were one or two behind the Patriots. If the Patriots are twenty ninth, Denver was like twenty seventh. Nobody talked that shit about that and their schedule. Nobody did. All I know is when push came to shove down the stretch, Drake May made plays, including that scramble at the end that won the game in Denver for them. Yep. Glenn Ordway: They're gonna be good defensively. I don't think there's even a a question about that right now through the first two games, though. I don't think Pittsburgh's got much with Aaron Rodgers in that offense. That is a pretty God. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: That offensive line is abysmal. Abysm. Now the Patriots defense made them is that good, but Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna make it. He got Malachi crunched a couple of times. It was marvelous. I don't want to see anybody get hurt, don't get me wrong. But to have that guy's head get buried like he did, that was just man. I got I got tingly Glenn Ordway: Well the other thing the other thing riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: down in my nether regions. Glenn Ordway: now we're getting moistuck. I don't want this. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Moist. Is there is is moist offensive? Is that an offensive word or is that just make people is that make people cringe? Does it make women cringe when Glenn Ordway: It's not offensive to me. It's not offensive. But nothing, nothing offends me anymore. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: you say moist? Glenn Ordway: Nothing offends me anymore, Pete. I'm at the stage in life. I'm yeah, I'm old enough now where nothing offends me. You can't offend me. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: We talked about a cake or a pie. Yeah. nothing affects me either. Glenn Ordway: You can't offend me. You just can't. No, that riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Ha ha Glenn Ordway: that Rogers is not gonna survive with that team. They have no running game. They they did. Yes, right. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: He threw his coach under the bus passive aggressively, he threw McCarthy under the bus right away. And then McCarthy goes along with it. Talk about a worsification. Jesus. Glenn Ordway: He's got to. He's got to. I mean, that was the whole deal. McCarthy comes back. He's reunited with Aaron Rodgers and you know, they've got to play the game. But I think they have a serious problem. Their defense is pretty good, but their their offense is is a complete mess. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Y yeah, I I mean I know Pittman didn't play, I get that, you know, but still. But you gotta give Gonzalez credit too. He was great, for the Patriots and Glenn Ordway: my God. Did you see the is it the PFF? Is is that the grading system? Do you know that that grading system this week on the matchup between riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I saw it. Yeah, I saw that. Glenn Ordway: Gonzales and TK TK Metcalf, they had Metcalf rated higher than Gonzales. And I'm sitting there, this is another case of these geeks getting in front of a computer riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. Glenn Ordway: and putting these numbers together with a criteria that they set up. And they come out of it and say, without even seeing the game, apparently, and watching it riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: with their own eyes, and come out of it and say, yeah, Metcalf was pretty good. Not Gonzalez, not so good. Gonzalez and quarterbacks in the league, cornerbacks was rated 60th this weekend. Anybody with an riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: untrained eye, I could take somebody off the street that's never seen a football game before. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Uh-huh. Glenn Ordway: Just keep your eye isolate on these two players, okay? The cornerback and the wide riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Don't talk about Ben Volan that way. Glenn Ordway: receiver. And You're gonna look at it and say, yeah, the cornerback vastly outplayed the the wide receiver. What a joke. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: That's what the Ben Volans of the world do. That's what they do. You know, they look at that and Glenn Ordway: Yeah, they love that. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: and then they the people who are casual football don't yeah. So they're just not as and it's so ridiculous, absolutely one hundred percent correct. He was the best cornerback in the game on Sunday. I mean in the league. In the league it was just ridiculous. Yep. Glenn Ordway: Wasn't even close. Pete, he changed. Think about this. No Michael Pittman. So you know that Rodgers has got to go. He's got to throw the football to Metcalf, even though he's got to go against one of the best cornerbacks in the league. So and what did he do? He shut him down. He literally shut him down. He frustrated him during the course of the day. I think for all we're going to talk about, Charles Davis on the other side who filled in. I thought he did a terrific job. Elijah Ponder was terrific in this game. Splaine was very, very riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Yeah, the fumble recovery. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: good. Barmore, there are a lot of guys we can pinpoint, but it all stems around Gonzalez. Paying him made sense because it changes entirely what everybody else has to do when you can shut down the main offensive weapon. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: How many times have you said that? especially the last ten years. And you just saw the money he got. I mean, timing is everything, I get it. But the two most important positions in the NFL are quarterback, and mist most people tell you second best is or second most important is a shutdown corner. And they got it. They got it. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, they riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: And and it what it was also amazing to me that those stupid geeky numbers what and I'd have to go look at it again, Glenn. Maybe you can remember how many catches did Metcalf have when the the when the Steelers were down by seventeen? Was it in the fourth quarter? I it's a couple of those catches were late, right? With garbage yards, you know, so I I non factor when it counted in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Yes. He th he he was a non factor in the game. That's that that's all you have to know. So even if he had six or seven catches in that in that game, he he would have still been a non factor because you're right. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Prevent defense at the end. Yeah, prevent defense at the end of I mean just you know, fluff stuff. Glenn Ordway: Well, they got so far behind. Rogers had to throw the football, so you knew what they were going to do. So it was a passing game at the end because they got so far behind in the game. I think Pittsburgh's got some issues. They really do have some issues. And but New England's defense is not a problem other than injuries. That's what we have to worry about is injuries. Now, you can say, what's the line they always use? Next man up or yeah, thank you. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Next man up, yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: And the next man up performed, okay? on on Sunday. So they got the job done. But let's see if they start losing guys for long periods of time. Michael Owenyu injury scares the hell out of me because I think he was a real stalwart for them at that position. The right side is the to me is the best part of their offensive line. He was he was he was terrible. He was terrible. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: And now Greg Van Roten's gonna have to step up. No, throwing it. Hopefully I well, I'm hoping that well, it I'm hoping that a week of practice and you know, getting with the ones maybe we'll have to it may take a couple of games, Glenn. It may take a couple of games. Who's the guy I wanted to send to the glue factory the last couple of years, the offensive lineman? And is he on the team anymore? I'm trying to think. my god. Glenn Ordway: No, he isn't the left tackle you're talking about, right? What's his name? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well, I f can't remember. I just would scream my head off. Why is he on this team? Glenn Ordway: Yeah, no, I'm trying to I I think I purposely forgot his name. it'll come to me. But he was I I do. All right, so they go to Jacksonville this week. It looks like riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: it was it w i you know who it is. I mean, it was pathetic. It was pathetic. Anyway. Yep. Glenn Ordway: Trevor Lawrence is a finally showing some signs. When he came out of college, everybody said he was a can't miss candidate. This is it. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: A lot of good quarterbacks coming out in that draft, but I'm telling you, Trevor Lawrence is it. Okay. He's a can't miss guy. And then riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Whole package. Glenn Ordway: And then we watched him for the last, has it been five years now? And he has been shaky at best. And but now he's starting, and we saw it last year. And he's got new coach. We started to see him kind of put it together, Pete, where he started showing you what people thought he could possibly be. So I think he's a threat in this game for this defense. I do. I think he's a legitimate threat. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I I don't think there's anything about it. And you gotta go back. It's too bad Liam Cohen wasn't there for his rookie year. South Kingstown, Rhode Island did it, by the way. and d don't for don't forget who that Trevor Lawrence's Glenn Ordway: Jesus everybody that's from Rhode Island are gonna have to hear point disclaimer. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: head coach was his rookie year. It fucked in his head, like he did everybody. Urban Meyer. Glenn Ordway: Who was it? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Urban Meyer. That was the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that kid then. And then remember they were going to bring Tebow back and all, you know, it was just it was nonsense. Urban Meyer was a complete F up, you know. And if he had a good coach, then might have changed everything. But he definitely came into his own last year. There's no question. He was outstanding. The second half of the season, absolutely outstanding. And remember the year that he got they lost to the Chargers. They were up. Remember, Jackson was up. couple of years ago at thirty to nothing or up by thirty in the playoffs whatever it was, up by twenty seven or thirty one lost. I mean the Chargers had that big comeback against them and that was not on Trevor Lawrence, that was on that was on the defense that just fell apart. Glenn Ordway: No, I think he's now a guy you talk about that is a top ten quarterback in this in this league, you know? And riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: absolutely. I worry about Jacoby Myers this week. Jacoby Myers is going to have a little chip on his shoulder against the Patriots as well. He's still a damn good receiver. I hated when the Patriots let him go. But no, there is they're a solid Jacksonville's a solid team. I don't know I don't know. I guess you've got to give Denver a little bit of credit or a lot of credit in the second half 'cause I I I thought Trevor was going to destroy it looked like they came out swinging and Denver looked kind of lost a little bit, almost not as bad as they did against Kansas City opening night, but they didn't look great, but I'll give them credit, you know, for what they did at home, coming from behind, down they were down by ten or and and came and and beat Jacksonville. It shut them down to the second half. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Denver them. Den Denver Denver's tough to play in. Your road team, it's a bitch, and especially in the fourth quarter when the the air starts getting to you and you're breathing heavily, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: you know, the altitude is a real problem. I I won't I will say this, I don't think the fan base is going to be a problem for the Patriots. There may be as many Patriot fans as Jacksonville fans. Not that Jacksonville doesn't draw well, but there's there's limited seating now because the upper debt, they're redoing the stadium. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It's cheaper. It's cheaper to go there. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: They were going to move to Orlando, I thought, for a year or riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: UC I think they're gonna play at UCF at the bounce house, but they didn't. In fact that was like etched in stone I thought was gonna happen, but it did but it didn't. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, I thought they were moving out of there and they decided on reducing the crowd. And I'm sitting there going, Goy, talk about home field advantage. That's goo gone out the window. So you're riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: gonna see a smaller crowd. You'll see temperatures, you know temperatures in Florida, you're there. It's going to riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, it Glenn Ordway: be eighty five, eighty seven degrees and humid as hell. Okay, at at game time, which, you know, it could be a factor, though. I think the Patriots are leaving early to get down there because the weather in New England is going to be horrendous. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: They're getting a hurricane up there. It looks almost a cat one. It's a nor'easter, but Glenn Ordway: It's a nor'easter. It's a nor'easter. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: you could see an eye forming yesterday, and it was like that's it's close to Glenn Ordway: Jesus. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a cat one. But they did say, and I'm not just they did say on local weather from Jacksonville down here to Fort Myers at least, a a little bit of a cool front is coming in. It'll still gonna be humid. It's still gonna be warm in the air warm in the eighties, but Glenn Ordway: What what's the cool front in Florida, eighty four? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: it's about the humidity going it's about the humidity going down. So hopefully that'll be. That'll be the case, that the humidity Glenn Ordway: Okay. Peace. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: is, you know, around seventy, sixty five, seventy percent and not at eighty nine, ninety percent. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, we have we have about twelve percent humidity in Arizona. It's beautiful. But anyway, but but it's good to know that it's good to know it's good to know that you're riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: How many dry heat how many dry heat jokes how many dry heat jokes do you have to go through a day? Glenn Ordway: looking at the eyes of the storm, meteorologist, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I s well, I I did see an eye, which was I mean, it's funny 'cause those are the storms I usually come towards Florida and head up the coast. That one like a was like right for New England, so hopefully everybody would be be okay. Glenn Ordway: I laugh every time I hear the city of Jacksonville, Florida, because I just have riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I don't. Glenn Ordway: so many memories of that one Super Bowl against the Philadelphia Eagles, the worst fan base in America. I'm not saying that the Patriots fan base riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Don't do this. Don't do it. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: behaves well at all times, but the Philadelphia fans are the absolute worst of the worst. But we're spending a week in Jacksonville now, and Pete had maybe the worst week. Of any Super Bowl I can ever remember. Okay. And he survived. He survived. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Part well parts of it. Parts of it. So we yeah, we we d let's start with the hotel. Which foreshadowing, we find out Glenn Ordway: Yeah, I think. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I'm not sure of the timeline, because Andy and I ended up staying at this place. Freddie wanted to burn it down and he was right. But foreshadowing, there was a lifetime movie based on a true story that happened at the hotel that we stayed in. I don't know if it happened before or after. All I know is Glenn Ordway: Just be just before. And recently, like within within a month before. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: yeah. Involving Glenn Ordway: Correct. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a mom and children and everything else. It was all based on it was at this exact hotel we stayed at. So Glenn Ordway: Correct. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I walk in, we I walk in, Freddie took I said, Okay, I'm gonna try to be the good s Andy and I said, Let's so let's try to be the good soldier here. We walk in anyway, yeah, we check in, walk it's a motel. It Glenn Ordway: How did you how did you how did you how did you be able to normalize the situation? Well there have only been two murders. It's not bad. Not like you didn't know that. okay. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well I did we didn't know that then. We did not know that. No, we didn't I didn't we didn't know about the the movie came out after. That's why I'm saying I'm not sure if the the double homicide with the kids happened before we were in the hotel or it happened a little after. It probably was before. Glenn Ordway: Yes, it was before. I remember it was like a month before. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But the we were not even in the hotel for five minutes. Andy calls me on my phone on in the hotel and and he's he's like, I just gotta call somebody asking for Shaniqua and it's Sunday night and is eight o'clock. Some is a regular c thing okay. So, I mean, it was a crack house, whorehouse, I don't even know it was a hotel. It was a multi and we were not the only media people still. Glenn Ordway: It was it was it had an on it. It did not have an H on it. It was four H but it was yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: We did we were not the only meaty people. Yeah. We were not the only meaty people forced to stay in this hotel. So I I I said, All right, let's we're gonna shower and you're staying at the team hotel with the Patriots and we're NFL Hotel, sorry. Glenn Ordway: Yes. No, no, I was staying at the NFL hotel. Team was out at the golf course. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. And we I said, All right, let's take a shower. Then we had to go meet at the hotel 'cause the Patriots are gonna have the early press conference, like coaches and and quarterbacks. So I walk there's red carpet. I walk across the floor. I get to the bathroom and I look at my feet are black. Like just black. It was just absolutely disgusting. I go to turn the shower on, the shower head falls off. Water goes all over the place. I am not plumbingly inclined, but at least I could screw the shower head back up after I, you know. And it's hot water too, which is even worse. That's the only you would think it would come out cold water or like brown. This came out piping hot. I'm like, Jesus, Christmas. So anyway, I got it back in. I cleaned up that's only two towels. It's like that scene in plane trains and automobiles, you know, when Steve Martin gets out of the shower and John Candy's used up all the fucking towels and he's got the little face cloth. That's what I that's what it was like only that left. So I'm like wiping up everything and got dressed. I'm like, my God, this is just re this is just it's not fit for human beings. It Glenn Ordway: So Pete was so pissed. He was so pissed. And he he was trying to be, as he said, the good soldier, because Freddie said, Screw this, I'm out of here. I'm not staying here. I'll I'll pay myself to find some place to go. And Jacksonville had no hotels. I was riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No. Glenn Ordway: in the NFL hotel. It was the best hotel in town. It was right down in town, but it was like a holiday in, a a nice holiday inn. That's all it was. That's that's Jacksonville for you. Yeah, it was a lot better than and the riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: That's that was the rich compared to where I was. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: hotels for We had no idea why they would ever have a Super Bowl in a place like this when you're bringing riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes, we did. Glenn Ordway: in people that are paying, you know, two, three, four thousand dollars for tickets. So now Pete is so pissed off. And we're gonna send Pete on assignment to go to the commissioners press conference. And we're pushing Pete. Pete, you gotta get in line, you gotta ask a question. Cause we just know, and you know Pete, audience knows Pete. Pete goes off the deep end every once in a while, okay, when he's not taking the medication. And we said, this is the perfect situation. He'll go and he'll go and attack the commissioner. Lo and behold, Pete goes on Tuesday to the commissioner's press conference. He finds a way of moving himself up and needling up to the front. And then he gets to ask a question of the commissioner. Mr. Commissioner, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well Glenn Ordway: can you tell me what? The hell are we doing here in Jacksonville? Is this you said, did you? No. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Did not say hell. I said heck. Well well well the thing is too, you said we had no idea why it made Jacksonville. Yes you do. You know why the Super Bowl was in Jacksonville, because the stadium was not the stadium was Glenn Ordway: Money, they the the stadium. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: five years old. Every new stadium gets Glenn Ordway: I knew. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a free consumer. That's why I'm worried about is Buffalo gonna get a new s a Super Bowl? I I mean they stuck it in the they'd stuck it at Met Glenn Ordway: Yeah. Well, yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Life one year, remember, and they got really lucky that the blizzard hit a few days later and not before, because that was gonna be a disaster. But anyway, so yes, I got Glenn Ordway: How did you how did you get to e ask the question? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: You know, it I I s I I I I would got lucky. I was off to the I was about, I don't know, twelve rolls back, maybe, and I I ended up getting lucky because next to me, 'cause there's all sorts of media people or whatever you want to call it, entertainers, there was a nice young girl, she must have been ten, eleven, twelve years old, tops. She got the mic. So the kid she was from Nickelodeon. She's like, you Glenn Ordway: they have little kids ask questions for Nickelodeon, right? Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: know, Mr. Commissioner, what's your favorite ice cream colour? If you were a tree, what you would be? And I was like This is great. I go, this is what I said, I'm taking that. I'm gonna get that mic, cause they have the the PR people come and they try to take the money the guy came over, tried to take the money. Before he could get to me, she had handed me the microphone. She just and just very casually, I'm lucky she went to her right and not her left, 'cause the other guy, I don't know who he was, could have gotten as well. But she gave it to me and they only he only takes about what, ten or twelve questions. He goes into a big diatribe all yeah about how great the league is and all that stuff, rightly so. But he really only answers about ten or twelve questions. in a short period of time. So I get the microphone and I said, Commissioner, I said, you know, Pete Shepard, WEI Boston, blah blah blah. I go, can you tell me what the heck we're doing here when we have virtually no hotels for all these people? There's no tax. The restaurants are half staffed because I have to and I said I have talked to people even at a Denny's that can't open full time because they don't have the staff. This city had five Years to prepare. I go, it's not even close. You have cruise ships being used as hotels. And I'm I'm asking a question for not just myself and media members and fans who spent a lot of money to come down here. Why why are we here? Glenn Ordway: So hold on. You did ask a long question. You did you did phrase it exactly riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I did. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: the way you just said it, okay? But you were angry when you said it. You're you're not showing the same anger right now. there was some anger there. There was it was riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well why are you here? Why are we here? Glenn Ordway: it was your experience staying in that shit hotel that they rent a motel that they rent riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yep. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: by the hour that really got you so pissed off that you put it right on Goodell. And the worst part about it was he was speechless at the end of it. Well well we we love our partners and we we love Jacksonville and riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It's five years. We're at the new state it's a new stadium and you know that's it. And it was it was more so I mean the transportation was terrible. Everything remember how spread out everything was? Now we've been to Super Bowls too where stuff is spread. This seemed to be worse. Like nothing was connected. Glenn Ordway: Well the teams weren't but the teams weren't going to stay in downtown Jacksonville. It's a hell. Nobody riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: was gonna stay there. So they went out an hour, an hour and fifteen minutes away riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: at the golf courses at the golf resorts. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: So there's there's some beautiful you know, golf resorts out there. But the funny thing about it is, and Pete is right about this, about Jacksonville. We were concerned we got there a week before, maybe the Saturday before or the Sunday riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, we did. Glenn Ordway: before. And we're downtown walking around downtown. And I am telling you, not only was it a ghost town, but there were no stores open on Main Street. There weren't even stores there. There were empty stores. They were empty, right? The buildings were empty. Monday on riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. They're no staff. Glenn Ordway: Monday and Tuesday, the NFL came in and built all of these pop-up stores with these vacant places in downtown Jacksonville. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Remember downtown Glenn, they shut all the r another another reason why they shut they everything was like a blockade. They blocked everything. Early on, maybe you don't see that kind of until like a Thursday, you know, where they block all the streets and everything is going on. They did it like you're right. You're absolutely right. It was either that Saturday or Sunday we got down there. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: They had to build it out, Pete. But they built it out on Monday and Tuesday. They built the whole downtown. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Now, all of these other cities that you go to, they have thriving businesses, restaurants, bars, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: and they may be adding some pop-up stores here or there or everywhere. Jacksonville had nothing. So they started from scratch. There were pop-up restaurants that were in alleys that were just popping up out of nowhere for just that week. They were only riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Glenn Ordway: going to be open for that week. It was the the The craziest thing. But we've had we used to joke all the time about the hotel rooms that we used to stay at the Super Bowl and it became a shtick. And yeah, did we exaggerate a little bit? Yeah, we probably did a little bit, but some of these stories, like the one Pete just told you, are absolutely true. There was another one in Go ahead. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well, well, no, I w Let let's just stay in Jacksonville for a second because I want to get get to the restaurant, which was diagonally across from this shit box we stayed in. And this is the true story, and you can look it up. I'm not being this isn't race, this is the name of the restaurant. It was a take talk about pop up. The the restaurant is still there. Chiny taky outie. C H I N E E T A K E E. O U T E E. Is a real place. Look it up in Jacksonville. I believe it is still there. I used to show I showed pictures of it on my other show. in the past, I've talked about it. People thought when we came back from Jacksonville I was making it up. We didn't. People it's Andy and Brett threw pictures up there. It is a real that is what we're dealing with. And the other thing, I never went to it, but I heard it was decent. It was just take out, you know, spare ribs, chicken wings, wontons, basic stuff. But nevertheless, the name is just c I mean, come on. It's ridiculous. Glenn Ordway: Take it out. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: You can't make it we can't make this stuff up. And the other time was in Jacksonville one night. Towards the end of the week, I took Andy out. We went to some sports bar with dancing and whatever. Leonard Skinner's playing, of course, Freebird. I mean the game, the g the games Glenn Ordway: Hold on, sports bar with dancing? In other words, a strip joint with a lot of T V? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: the games were on. Their whatever g whatever was on was on. But it was it was more of a whatever. Glenn Ordway: Things are on every place now, restaurants, any place. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: So this girl, the the bartender Macy, I'll I'll tell you, I'll never forget that. I've told this story before, maybe you forget. Glenn Ordway: Remember's her name? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, I remember her name. 'Cause you if you heard when you hear this line, you something you can never forget. So Andrew and I were dressed up pretty good, two Italian guys. We kind of stick out like sore thumbs in this fucking hillbilly bar that we're in. But nice people. Everybody was nice. And we're talking and listened to Leonard Skinner three times in a row. And and Freebird's a long song anyway. So that's a Glenn Ordway: Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: So we we finally the after like our third drink, Macy looks at us and goes, Can I and I am not this is word for word quote. Can I ask y'all a question? She had a real deep southern drool. Which I find kind of sexy to be honest with you. And Glenn Ordway: you do. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I said we said yeah. She goes, Are you all Italian? Italian. Are you all Italian? I said, Yeah. I said we are she goes, My word, the only Italians we ever get in this place are limo drivers. Now I got a drink. It almost came out my nose. Andy like loses it. I'm sitting there going, and I wasn't offended. I'm like, she goes, I'm sorry. I didn't no I no offen I said, No, I go, We got jobs in everything. I go, it's like you know So that's Italy Glenn Ordway: But we can riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I go, us Italians have jobs and everything. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, Jacksonville was the worst of all she did. Okay. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: She bought us a drink after that because she was so yeah. I I was I wasn't fa I just I was worried about the drink coming out of my nose and going on to another guest. my god. But that is it was hysterical. Glenn Ordway: Here's the drink for the Italians. Yeah, I don't I don't understand. I don't understand the appeal of of Jacksonville at all, but and they're redoing the stadium all over again. So who knows, Pete? We may be back in Jacksonville for another Super Bowl because you you already said it. You know what happens when you rebuild your stadium and you put lots of money into it, the NFL rewards you and gives you riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No doubt. Glenn Ordway: the Super Bowl, the absolute worst. I a lot of people thought we're were fearing. that Indianapolis was going to be a disaster. It turned out it was phenomenal. It was great. They shot off all the streets. Indianapolis really came up big. They did a great job. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But it did. But get but again, the other thing about Jacksonville, a couple of things. One involved you, one involved me. So I'm they stick all the media way up in for all of these Super Bowls. Most of the media is up on the three hundreds. And every other role has like a monitoring. Of course you can see it's whatever, that didn't bother me. But the women there was a coup in Jacksonville, and it was kind of about fifty six, fifty seven. It had rained the night before, it was kind of damp and icky, and but the sun was out. By after the Patriots were you know you could tell we're gonna we're gonna win the game even though it got a little close in the fourth quarter. But the women took over the men's bathrooms and there was a coup and there were fights and there were Glenn Ordway: Do remember. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: no lines of women bathroom at the men's room and they just took over. They were punching men and everything else and all sorts of literal shit and everything else was coming out of the toilets. It was a coup the the Philadelphia Eagle women took over whether they weren't vomiting on people, they were punching people, punching men, didn't matter who they were to get into the bathroom because it was it was there weren't enough. There weren't enough female bathrooms and everything Glenn Ordway: Now the the the filling yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: else. And then as after Rodney Harri made the interfa the interception, okay, I'm gonna walk down. And some Eagle fan said something to me. I don't know, he recognized may have been a T V guy who was and he just let the Patriots suck and I just turned around and I went, Did you really think you're gonna win this fucking game? Before I could get game out of my mouth about a beer bottle came flying in my head. Whoosh Thank God it missed and it didn't hit anybody. But it was a beer bottle. And and then it happened, Glenn Ordway: And that's it. They're the worst fans. I I remember riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: then you're there at the beginning of the game and you and f and then they started harassing you and Freddie. And then that is an interesting story. Glenn Ordway: Well they were they they no, they harassed my wife. So I I'm sitting with my wife. Freddy is with his wife. We're in the stands, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Your wi your wife, your the wives, I mean, yes. Yes. Yep. Glenn Ordway: and we had Philadelphia fans right in front of us. And the Patriots make a great play early on in the first quarter. My wife, Patriot fan. She riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: gets up, she starts cheering and whatever. And the Philadelphia fan in front of us, guy must have been about twenty seven, twenty eight years old, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: something like that. He turns around and he says, Can you just shut the fuck up? And I go, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on here, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: buddy. Okay. You cheer for your team. We're going to cheer for our team, but don't call my wife out like that or riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: whatever. And he goes, I I forget exactly what he said right after that, but they continued on for the entire game. So finally it's late in the game, it's in the third quarter. Philly makes a great play. And Freddie just looks over at the guy because the guy starts going crazy and he's looking back at Freddie and he's saying, see, see, see. And and Freddie's basically saying to the kid, okay, enjoy the moment. Go ahead. Enjoy the moment. Wait till the end of the game, but enjoy the moment. Patriots come back, and I think it might have been the Harrison interception right after riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: that. Suddenly, my wife is going crazy again. This asshole turns around. He starts screaming at my wife, calling her every name of the book. Freddie Smarla says, Hold on. These are the rules. When your team does something great, you can cheer. When our team does something great, we can cheer. You understand the rules? Yeah. The guy. Couldn't help himself, comes back and tells my wife, You need to shut the fu she needs to shut the fuck up. And Freddie goes to him like this. Okay, why don't we both shut up? Boom. One little punch. Knocked him over. Knocked him over. Now the kid riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I love it. I love it. Glenn Ordway: got up and he was okay. Freddie do one of these where he pulled back and riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Sure. Glenn Ordway: he just did a boom, like a little bop or whatever. And riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Like like three stooges. Pop. Glenn Ordway: we never heard from that kid again for the rest of the game. Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Well good for him. He's lucky. And there were some fights in the stands in that game, boy. And a lot of them, Eagles against Eagle fans. There was a lot of that crap that happened. There were way more Eagles fans Glenn Ordway: Yeah. Yeah. Well as I said. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: at that game because they hadn't been there before. The Patriots had been there in you know in New Orleans in 01 in Houston the year before. So it was kind of spoiled brat syndrome, but but it was a ton of Eagle fans there, many of them caravans. that just hung out 'cause I couldn't get hotel rooms and they were there for days and stinky and sweaty and vomiting all over everybody. You know, it was it was it was brutal. But I only had that one encounter. Way, way, way more, way more. Yep. So it's yeah. Glenn Ordway: Well, there were more there were more Eagle fans by far than there were Patriot fans. Patriots have been there before. For the Eagle fans, this was this was all new stuff. And one other one I remember about Freddie though, because he walked out of the hotel in Jacksonville. He refused to stay there. You guys stayed there. He said, Screw it. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: He said, I'll go to Tent City and just, you know, get a pop tent and live out in the on the beach. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: but in San Diego, again, I get a great hotel. You got a shitty hotel, but suddenly through a friend, you ended up with like a damn penthouse suite or whatever. Do you remember that? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well no, well first yeah, well there's the thing is that I didn't have a shitty hotel. I had no hotel at one point. And then the I remember Jason saying, Okay, we're gonna fly out to San Diego first class. I was like, Whoa, that's pretty cool. We never did that, but apparently they got some deal. He said, But we gotta find Pete a hotel. So Glenn Ordway: No, no, they put us on Spirit Airlines and we found out when we got on there, Spirit doesn't have first class. I'm a riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No, that was there was no spirit back then. Glenn Ordway: No, I know. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: but it I know. and so Jason says, well, Larry Lucino, I think he sent me a tag. He's like, I got you a a nice room, and it was the most beautiful hotel room I ever had, covering an event. It was on the riverway, it was absolutely gorgeous. It was a two-story suite, which I don't even know if he knew was going to be that way, but it was absolutely First class, fabulous, all the way. Glenn Ordway: So what you're telling me is that Larry Lucchino bought you off, get you a great hotel room so that you could kiss his ass. And then I remember for two weeks after that, you kept on telling me, Theo sucks. Theo sucks. He really sucks. Larry's the man, Theo riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No, no, no. No, the other thing about Larry one time I Glenn Ordway: sucks. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I can't remember if this happened I wanna say this happened before or after. I can't remember. But I I was on vacation in the summer. you actually had to work in the summer, amazingly. I wasn't in there for you for ten weeks that you had off. I g I can't complain. I had five weeks off. You had like ten. Whatever it was. But it was one week where we Glenn Ordway: Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: were we both of us were not working. And Jason calls me. I'm on I I think I'm up in New Hampshire. up at I don't know where the hell I was. Jason called I just walked in. Jason said, You gotta talk to Larry. I go, Larry I go, Larry Vicino. He's Yeah, he said he's upset with what you said on on the show. So I went, Okay, I'll t I'll talk to him. So I got his number, I said, I said, Hi Larry, it's Pete Shepherd. He goes, Pete, I'm sorry, and you're on vacation. He goes, I'll make this short and sweet. Said, I really didn't appreciate what you said, and I can't remember what blah blah blah blah blah. I let him go. He went on and on for five minutes, straight. I didn't say a word, I didn't interrupt, which is difficult for me. Glenn Ordway: It is difficult. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But I I wanted to hear out and I went, Larry, I said, everything you just said, I did not say. I said, the only thing I'm offended is you thought I was Danny for Danny, Glenn Ordway: If not, what I say. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: you thought I was Danny from Quincy. It was Danny from Quincy's phone call that was ripping the Red Sox for this, that, or the other reason. And he thought it was me. And he goes, Really? I said, I s I I said, Larry, I'll send we'll s I'll have Andy I'll s they'll send you the tape. It was Danny from Quincy Glenn Ordway: I did, they sat on the table. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: that I love Danny. But yeah. And he's like, he Glenn Ordway: They sent him the tape. Danny from you got confused with the president of the Boston Red Sox for for Danny from Quincy. Okay? Wow. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause it was i and you know and we used to let d we'd let Danny go a little longer sometimes if he was but he was nuts. I mean, really Glenn Ordway: He was crazy, he was nuts, and that that's what made you know Danny from Quincy. You knew that you were gonna get some crazy. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: And he was a Star Trek fan like I was, so I got along with it. But I mean, but but it was funny 'cause Larry, it was just hysteria and he laughed about it afterwards. But you know, maybe that was one of the reasons why I got it such a nice hotel. But that's the that's how I got the Riverway Hotel. And Glenn Ordway: Yeah, you he to he each. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: what was great about that trip too is we had do the show, you know, four hours early. So we're doing ten in the morning to two in the afternoon, and then we're free. That was great. That was great. I'd go home, take a nap, watch the ships Glenn Ordway: Yeah. Yeah. I I I've got riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: come in. Have a cocktail and just you guys would be texting me saying what an asshole I am and all this stuff and Glenn Ordway: Yeah, well Fred, Freddie, Freddie in San Diego, got got I had to drive him to his hotel. So Pete's got Larry Lucchino's penthouse suite. I've got a good hot hotel room. I'm not complaining. It's good. It's not Pete's hotel riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: or Danny from Quincy's hotel room, but riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Ha ha. Glenn Ordway: it's it's a damn good hotel room, and I'm not complaining. I drive Fred to his hotel room in downtown San Diego. First of all, there's a a fence around the whole property and so and you say okay maybe say okay me right riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It's it's like a few good men. What's a fence line? It keeps the good guys separated from the bad guys. Glenn Ordway: so you figure it's okay maybe they're doing construction but i didn't see any construction going on all i saw was a chain link fence around the entire hotel the perimeter of riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Whoa. Glenn Ordway: the hotel so I we parked the car Freddie and I walk up to the to the hotel because Freddie is livid now. 'Cause he said, I'm not staying in this shithole and you're coming with me and you're gonna, you know, tell these people. okay, friend, I'll come with you. So I come with him. There's a a gate on the chain link fence that you won't went up with the security guard there. A security guard. So we go through there and we get riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Ha ha ha. Glenn Ordway: into the lobby. We walk into the lobby, Pete. And the hotel had one little tiny desk. It looked like something from an elementary school, you know, little little tiny little desk. And one woman, little tiny woman that was b behind there, and that was the reception area. We look around and to the right, there's a vending machine. Okay. And the vending machine says on it riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, that's right. Glenn Ordway: R, B A R bar. And it's it's got alcohol and what riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I remember Andy sending pictures, I remember. Secrum's. my lord. Glenn Ordway: Wine coolers. Wine coolers were big in the in those days. So wine coolers in there. And Freddie says to me, That's the fucking bar for the hotel. And I said, Looks that way, Fred. Okay. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Hey, listen, listen, you won't have to wait long for a drink. Just put your money in, push the button. And I'll have to wait for a bartender. He was so pissed. So they walk him to his room. It was a red carpet on the yeah, red carpet like you. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: That's what I had in Jacksonville, the same thing. Glenn Ordway: And I think. Those hotels or motels, they put the red carpet down, Pete, because it hides the blood. You know, so you can't distinguish the blood. So just wonder. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, no doubt. Or other other other excretions. Glenn Ordway: Okay. So Freddie was furious. He told me at that moment, he said, If if I walk into Wolfie right now, hold me back because I will absolutely choke him to death. Okay. And I said, Calm down, calm down. So anyway, it got resolved. We got him out of that hotel. And cause he said, Screw it, I'm not staying here. I'll go on my own dime and find a place. And then he called somebody, I think in the Buffalo organization or maybe the NFL. He got a hotel room. And we finally got him out to a decent hotel. I never saw Fred more pissed in my life. He wanted to kill everybody at Intercom. I mean, he was one of those guys at that day that you worry about him doing damage to the riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you think I'm crazy. You haven't seen Fred get angry. He's he's like the incredible Hulk, you know. Glenn Ordway: No. I I have by the way, I I have I I have a great Larry Lucchino story, but I'm gonna save it 'cause it's it's too good. but I will tease it and tell you that Larry and I almost got into a fist fight at a at a at a party and it got really ugly. But I will get to that. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I don't know how do I not know this story? Glenn Ordway: I don't know if you were you weren't I don't think you were at the party, but I'll get into it in future weeks. I I I promise. I I promise because the the Larry Lu and it riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Damn right I wasn't there, I would remember that. That'd be on Larry's side. Glenn Ordway: turns out that Larry Lucino and I became you know good friends and we were fine. But but it it was ugly for a while. It it riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. He was great, guy rest his soul. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: was ugly. There was a a year and a half, two years in which I got the treatment that you got there, the Danny from Quincy treatment. He was all over riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well he wasn't he was but he was very apologetic afterwards and always we always got along great. I and I always appreciate his honesty on Dennis and Callahan. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, Larry was a Larry Larry was always the politician. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: His honesty on Dennis and Callahan every week was fantastic. He didn't he didn't Glenn Ordway: He was he was he's the politician. He's a great politician. And and you know, I think they needed Larry in that in that organization. But we'll we'll save that riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, okay. Glenn Ordway: down the road. I do want to I do want to finish one thing that we started talking about last week, and riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: shame on shame on me, I'm out of practice. And I missed an important finish to that story where I said to you, You got fired because Endercom spent 200 million dollars. To get a 10-year Red Sox deal. Mike D negotiated riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Yes. Glenn Ordway: the deal for Entecom, did an absolutely phenomenal job. He took David Field, our CEO, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: over the coals and just ripped him and knew what he was doing. He made this whole story up that he was putting another FM radio station on the air and sports radio, and we're riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: gonna beat you in FM. It was a brilliant job by Mike D. So riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It was, yeah. Glenn Ordway: now we're all paying the price. You lose your job, others lose their job because. They need to make up for the two hundred million dollars in rights fees that they're paying the Boston Reds. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But you also have just signed a pretty good contract. Glenn Ordway: Yes, but let me let me give you where the Mike D comes riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes. Glenn Ordway: into it. So Mike D leaves the Red Sox. I think he went to did he go to San Diego for a short period of time? I don't know. He's on him. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, I think he was working with buddy Wayne Patello out there, I think, I wanna say. Was he working for the Padres or the Charg the Padres, I think. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Yes, yes. Yes. I think Padres. So then he's he's out of that job. Something happened. He's out of that job. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: And where do you think his next job was? David Field hires Mike D to run the rights negotiations for Intecom for all of the teams. And the reason he did it is because David Field finally admitted, my God, Mike D just destroyed us in this negotiation. He ends up hiring Mike D as the guy to riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I never Glenn Ordway: negotiate all of the rights fees for all these teams across the country for Anticom that had two hundred and eighty five stations. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: And this is where I don't know David Field and his lackeys or cronies or whatever didn't do their homework because when you have the Yankees radio network, which was the highest at the time, I believe, even more than the Dodgers and the Cubs, was the highest at fourteen million a year, if I remember correctly. And all of a sudden we're gonna give we're gonna come over the top and give the Red Sox twenty. Didn't somebody say, Look, the Yankees are gett only only and there was a lot of money, fourteen million. Maybe we can do it for fifteen million or fourteen million, or maybe even a little less. at ten to twelve billion. But no, we have to Glenn Ordway: So so riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: really go over the top. You talk about overspending and it was ridiculous. And we all knew we all sat there like, wow, and they they just could not comprehend David Field and company that we would not be successful without the Red Sox. We didn't need the Red Sox to be successful. Glenn Ordway: We didn't. We didn't at the time. I told you this last week. Every manager, including the sales manager, was against that deal. Basically said, the numbers too high. We're going to have trouble, you know, reaching budget. Okay. But I'm telling you what the deal is about. And this is why these sports teams are smart. And so they entertain radio stations, TV stations, and sponsors and put them on the team plane. Fly them to road trips and do all because riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: they know deep down inside that David Fields may be a CEO of a big, huge radio company that has 285 radio stations. But deep down inside, he's that seven-year-old, nine-year-old kid who just loves the baseball players, loves the athletes. Okay, just adores them because he's a fan. And that's what Mike D did. He took David Field on two or three trips a year. So he would travel on these road trips with the Red Sox riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. W with the team, yeah. Glenn Ordway: for $200 million. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: That's why teams do that. That's why they have all of those perks because they can get money out of the rights fees. All right. I I'm I just gotta ask you this. It's the Red Sox and the Yankees next week. Do you feel optimistic or pessimistic? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I think optimistic. why not? I felt optimistic last year, especially when they won game one. I really thought they c Glenn Ordway: How'd that work out for you? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: well it didn't work out well. It was very, very frustrating from defensively standpoint. But I mean, you know, Judge doesn't look like is he gonna play in the po in the postseason? Doesn't look Glenn Ordway: Not gonna play. He's out. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: like he's gonna play at all. I think it's all about you know, you know, Gray and Tolie and Tolley had he wasn't sharp yes, it was a tough Cleveland won six in a row. So they're fighting for their the division. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Well, Cleveland's fighting now for the playoffs. Right. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: I I but I I love Tolley. He's my new favorite player. He is such a big show guy. He would he's our David Wells. I mean, I when they were celebrating the other night after they won, he had the two bear cans, like aluminum. I was like, please don't hurt your hand. You gotta pitch soon. But I I think, you know, Gray and Tolley have a they gotta they got a sp obviously they got us they gotta get a split in the first two games, but Schlitler if hopefully he's not as dominant against the Red Sox as he was yeah the Glenn Ordway: been dominant against the Red Sox the whole year, Pete. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: whole year. But you know what? We've seen Glenn Ordway: He he riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: you know, remember when David Price couldn't get anybody out either. And all of a sudden when he was pitching for the Red Sox in the playoffs, and I think it was Pedro that found out he was tipping pitches, whatever. I'm hoping somehow, some way, the Red the Red Sox, I think if they play solid defense, they'll be right in this thing. I think it's probably gonna be three or three game series and then six to five and pick We'll see. But we've seen them do well against the Yankees this year, not the last couple of games. where they got swept, but they also swept the Yankees early on during that big run they had pretty handily, if I remember. I it's I think it's I really think it's gonna come down who plays the better defense, Glenn. I I do, in that game. Glenn Ordway: How is it that the Boston area does not produce a lot of major league baseball players? And you have Schlichter and you have Ben Rice, both local Boston Bostonian riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Ben Rice from Cohasset. Yeah. Yeah. Glenn Ordway: guys, and they're playing for the Yankees. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: And they're they're almost using it now as motivation. So they grew up both of them as Red Sox fans, yet right now it's like motivation, you know, to go and beat the Red Sox, beat the the home. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Ben's gonna get V P boats, I think. Ben's gonna get s yeah. That that's I mean and I you gotta love, you know, local kids. Glenn Ordway: He will be. He'll be he'll be the runner up. I think he'll finish second, but he's that he's but he's he's saved he saved their season. He saved that lineup with between Stanton and between riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yes, we did. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Glenn Ordway: Judge and the injuries they've had. He really has saved that lineup. The first two games concern me because this Red Sox team manufactures run manufacture runs. They're a small ball team. They're not a home run kitting team, and they don't hit high velocity guys well. Okay. they've been able to Carve their own niche this year and do a hell of a job because I've never seen a Red Sox team like this one in my life. I've never seen any team look riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It nobody has. Glenn Ordway: like the worst team in Major League Baseball for two and a half months, look like the best team in Major League Baseball for two months, and then kind of skate and play 500 the rest of the way. This came out of nowhere. I didn't think there was what you're a betting man. What would you have put on a bet back in third week riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: May. Glenn Ordway: of June? That Breslau was going to get a three-year contract and that Tracy was going to get a three-year contract. What would riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No, I Glenn Ordway: be the odds on that one? riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: somebody in the S Piano some MLB network put up the numbers. Like May twenty fifth, the odds if you would bet the Red Sox to make the playoffs, it probably was I don't it had to be like something like three thousand to one. Glenn Ordway: Put their money on it based on what you were watching every night. They were pathetic people. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. They looked terri I could I couldn't do it. It was it was vomit inducing. It was puke inducing. Glenn Ordway: And you know what the worst part about that was, Pete? Their pitching was pretty good. So, you know, you talk riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah, it was excellent. Glenn Ordway: about pitching being a big part of the game. Their pitching was good. But if they got down by two runs, some nights by one run, they couldn't manufacture another run, even if it was six innings. They had to do it. They couldn't do it. And here they are, they're in the playoffs. So I I the first two games concerned me because of, you know, you're talking guys that throw ninety-eight plus And this is something this lineup has some difficulty doing. But I agree with you. It's fascinating that Tolley right out of the gate will be an interesting study because I like the kid. He's just it's like a big fluffy teddy bear, you know. Yeah. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: He's got guts. He he got guts. and I I don't think the atmosphere is gonna intimidate him at all. I don't Glenn Ordway: I don't either. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: now he may I mean he still may lose, but it's not gonna be because he's scared or intimidated or I can't pitch in big games, I can't pitch in Yankee Stadium. I don't think it's gonna be that at all. I really think it's gonna come down to stupid, you know, little things like, that double play should have been turned. It wasn't, it led to a run. I think it's gonna be I think what what team makes the least amount of mistakes is going to win. I don't think it's gonna be a huge slug fest. I don't well it'd be the first game'll be nine day. But winning game one is so big 'cause that puts all the pressure on the other team, no matter who it is. It's huge. Glenn Ordway: Especially especially you're you're playing on the road. So if riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Im imagine Toby pitching in game two with a chance to beat the Yankees in that series. You know, if they win if Sonny Gray pitches game one, maybe Tolley pitches game one, I don't know what the rotation's gonna be. But whoever wins game one, that pitcher who's going game two, man, that is doesn't get any bigger than that. Glenn Ordway: Well, is it as I said, the the fear I have with the Yankees is fastball guys that throw the ball close to a hundred miles an hour in the first two games, but I don't think it's a threatening lineup right now. And I think you're seeing it. I mean, against the Rays, I mean, imagine that. The Rays got to celebrate winning the division in Yankee Stadium. And I don't know if you I I I I watched the game riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: First in five years they've won the div I mean, but y you talk about a formidable lineup. I mean no one's talking about Tampa Bay. They could win the whole thing. It is unbelievable. Unbelievable and Glenn Ordway: Yes, they can. Yeah, they can. Yeah. Yeah, they they they are really good and they're loaded and they're young, Pete. So riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: here's the problem, as you know, they're young, but that doesn't mean much in Tampa Bay because once you get to middle age at twenty five, they're gonna trade you off because they don't wanna pay you. So and then they start all over again. So this is a very sh short window. for the race to actually do something. But I loved watching the other night the race celebrating on Yankee Stadium and the stands were empty. So it was like four one game or five like riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: yeah, it was great. Yeah, well it was a day it was also a double it was a doubleheader? Yeah, yes, it's yeah, and then six to one I think they won the the the finale. Yeah, last night. Glenn Ordway: Yeah, yeah. two nothing was the first game, yeah. Six to one, I think it was. But the stands were empty by the eighth inning or the ninth inning because Yankee fans knew it. And the Yankee fans said, I'm not putting up with this. I am not gonna watch this. And they all left the stadium. So you had nobody in the fans. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Well, I'm I'm wondering but I'm wondering now that the Rays are moving to a new stadium finally, that the philosophy will change because it's kinda scary if it does. If they just spent it's really I hate to be cliche, but it's really like Billy Bean and Moneyball. I just need a little maybe he said I just I just need Glenn Ordway: I'll pretty share it again. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: a I just need a little bit more. A little bit more and I'll get you that championship. That's all Tampa needs. And maybe they don't even need that this year, but I've said that before, and they haven't you know, they've come close, but they haven't won it. Glenn Ordway: Okay, so riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But I mean if they Glenn Ordway: okay I'll do it. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: move to a new stadium, will the philosophy change? Will they spend more money? Will it be an attraction? Glenn Ordway: Well, you can't spend more money unless you get more revenue coming in, or we get all new collective bargaining agreement rules with the new with the negotiation next year, and they're forced, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: But well that okay, that's that's Glenn Ordway: they're forced to raise the floor and spend up to here. If that happens, then the Rays will start spending. They will be forced to spend. Here's why I'm not sure that getting a new stadium is going to create that much more revenue. You live down in Florida. There's so much to do in the summertime. And It's going to a baseball game. I I don't know. Miami can't do it. Miami can't do it. Can't we can't do it. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yep but no but yeah but but Miami did it for the first year. Miami did for the f because it's commodity. It's a it's a th you know, at least for the first year. And maybe that can jump start because I know there is a f Yeah. Glenn Ordway: Wears off very quickly when you when you're losing. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: No, it it does. There's no there's no quest there's no quep. Yeah. I hate that place. I hate that fucking stadium. Like Glenn Ordway: And the Rays have been out of the playoffs the last two years and then the storm blew the roof off the off that godforsaken place. The worst. my God. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: you can I've been there as covering and I've been there as a fan. Glenn Ordway: Well hold on. Hold on. Do you hate it? Do you hate it more than Jacksonville? Petey, we got a lot to talk about next week. We'll do it again next week. You have a good one, okay? All right, buddy. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It sucks. S and I was in a suite and it sucks. No, not even close. Not even cl yes. All right, bud. Thank you, you too. Glenn Ordway: That's gonna do it for us today. Subscribe, please subscribe. Okay, riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: It's free. Glenn Ordway: it's free. And like us. Even if you don't like us, I don't care if you don't like us. Just check the like off. You know, you've lied before, you can lie again. riverside pete sheppard backup video the big o's podcast 0021: Yeah. Glenn Ordway: See you everybody. Goodbye.