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The Kenny Report | 17 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese's empty double dissolution threat, the cost of living
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Speaker 3: crisis and why the Tim tam Index explains how tough
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Speaker 3: it's getting. Also tonight, the ABC refusing to say whether
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Speaker 3: it will even meet with us with Heston Russell, the
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Speaker 3: ex commando who's exposed the public broadcast as dodgy journalism
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Speaker 3: after two assassinations attempts. Donald Trump nails the Democrats for
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Speaker 3: their violent political rhetoric and the Church's way into climate change.
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Speaker 2: Now they're trying to convert us to renewable energy.
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Speaker 3: More on our military top brass too, scrapping medals, the
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Speaker 3: government's misinformation laws, a terrific panel, Tim Blair, and lots more.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. The cost of living crisis is hitting hard.
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Speaker 3: We talked last night about mortgage stress rising eighty percent
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Speaker 3: year on year, and that, of course can only get worse.
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Speaker 3: Some first home buyers will face the heartbreaking decision in
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Speaker 3: coming months of whether to find a way through or
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Speaker 3: sell up. We know the economy per capita has been
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Speaker 3: shrinking now for eighteen months, that is, for most of
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Speaker 3: the time the Albanesi Labor government's been in power, we've
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Speaker 3: been in a per capita recession, getting poorer household by household.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the government is proud of its achievements.
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Speaker 4: And I note that during these dibiot economic times, when
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Speaker 4: we've seen economies like the UK and Japan and New
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Speaker 4: Zealand go into recession, what we've done has managed to
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Speaker 4: keep the economy in the black, to deliver not one
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Speaker 4: but two budget surpluses at the same time as we're
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Speaker 4: providing support for that social agenda and that cost of
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Speaker 4: living support.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: What he's actually saying there is that his economic manager,
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Speaker 3: and he's going so well that he's having to spend
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Speaker 3: more taxpayers money helping other taxpayers get through his period
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Speaker 3: of terrific economic management.
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Speaker 2: Brilliant.
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Speaker 3: There's no long term strategy except to spend more taxpayers
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Speaker 3: money helping people deal with Labour's inflation, interest rate and
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Speaker 3: electricity price crunch. And Labour will also continue to spend
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Speaker 3: taxpayers money to trash our electricity grid in a renewable
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Speaker 3: energy experiment that no other country has been dumb enough
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Speaker 3: to even try.
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Speaker 2: And Labor will.
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Speaker 3: Keep subsidizing chosen industries and companies with taxpayers money in
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Speaker 3: the hope it can pick some winners.
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Speaker 2: We've all seen that movie before.
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Speaker 3: And to cap it all off those export industries that
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Speaker 3: help deliver the surpluses. Well, Labor and the Greens are
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Speaker 3: opposed to them and they want to kill them off.
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Speaker 3: Coal and gas are evil fossil fuels and without the
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Speaker 3: coal or energy to smelt them, no one will want
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Speaker 3: our iron ore or book site either. The economic strategy,
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Speaker 3: if you want to call it, that is actually self harm,
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Speaker 3: turning an energy and resource of superpower into.
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Speaker 2: A basket case.
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Speaker 3: To make this worrying and ridiculous situation even more bizarre,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister today was pushing his latest housing plan,
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Speaker 3: you know, the one where labor has made it so
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Speaker 3: expensive to build a house, but instead of making it
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Speaker 3: cheaper for you to build one, they want the government
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Speaker 3: to get involved in ownings some of your house. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: He actually put it out there that if he can't
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Speaker 3: get this plan through Parliament he could call a double
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Speaker 3: disillusion election.
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Speaker 4: Well, well wait and see we leave. It's up to
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Speaker 4: I tell you a way to avoid a d D.
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Speaker 4: It's for the Coalition and the Greens to vote for
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Speaker 4: legislation that they support.
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Speaker 3: Really as Sir Humphrey to say that would be a
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Speaker 3: very courageous decision, very courageous. Indeed, labor is in big strife.
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Speaker 3: Last week the mining industry savaged Albanezi, and tonight at
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Speaker 3: the Business Council of Australia's annual dinner, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: will be forced to sit and listen to a speech
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Speaker 3: warning that Australia is losing its way with problems created
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Speaker 3: by new industrial relations laws, stopping big business employing staff
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Speaker 3: and pushing investment overseas. And at the other end of
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Speaker 3: the economic spectrum, there's a new economic indicator. We've all
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Speaker 3: heard of, the Big Mac index that measures purchasing power
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Speaker 3: in countries around the world.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe in Australia we should start the.
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Speaker 3: Tim Tam index, because this is a special Aussie luxury
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Speaker 3: that most families like to indulge in every now and then.
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Speaker 2: And people around the nation today are reacting.
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Speaker 3: Badly to the cost of these highly favored chocolate biscuits.
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Speaker 3: They were selling today at Woolly's and at Coals for
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Speaker 3: six dollars a pack, six dollars per two hundred grand pack. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: six dollars per pack, and there were plenty of comments
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Speaker 3: online complaining about it, with fears this family treat might
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Speaker 3: have to be foregone in the future. I mean, for
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Speaker 3: six dollars you could get instead three litters of petrol
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Speaker 3: and a bit more on a good day, or three
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Speaker 3: liters of milk, maybe a loaf of bread and a half,
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Speaker 3: or a kilo of apples, or instead a packet of timtams.
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Speaker 3: For comparison, I managed to find some footage from twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty one, and there they are timtams on the shore
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Speaker 3: for Woolies for four dollars a pack. So they've gone
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Speaker 3: up by fifty percent in three years. A fifty percent
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Speaker 3: increase in the Timtam index since labor's.
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Speaker 2: Been in power. That's pretty steep.
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Speaker 3: The Timtam index is not looking good for albow, but
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Speaker 3: I did manage to find a workaround for.
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Speaker 2: Families homemade tim tam.
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Speaker 5: I think I've got your attention now. Everyone loves a
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Speaker 5: tim tam and they're pretty easy to make it home.
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Speaker 6: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 7: I think it's one of my most favorite biscuits growing up.
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Speaker 1: As a kid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the right ingredients and some cooking skills at home,
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Speaker 3: you can make your own tim tams and the experts
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Speaker 3: give it a pretty good rating.
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Speaker 8: It does look like the ultimate tim Tam.
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Speaker 5: There, you've got that gorgeous feeling, picky and coady.
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Speaker 2: Cheers, cheez.
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Speaker 5: Am.
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Speaker 1: I allowed to say they're better.
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Speaker 9: Than the original.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say no.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we see more home tim Tams homemade tim
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Speaker 3: Tams around the country, will know it's because of the
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Speaker 3: cost of living pressures, and if we're not careful, we'll
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Speaker 3: even do ourselves some international damage. Have a look at
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Speaker 3: this taste test from a big family in the Ozarks.
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Speaker 10: And one of the things in the box.
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Speaker 11: Was packet of chocolate cookies from Australia called tim Tams.
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Speaker 11: So here we live in the Missouri Ozarks and we
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Speaker 11: don't have things like this. So we are going to
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Speaker 11: try out these good looking cookies and see what we think.
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Speaker 10: Yum yum. All right, guys, let me see do any
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Speaker 10: tell me what you think? Wow, we should go to
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Speaker 10: Australia and get some more.
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Speaker 1: You are very very good.
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Speaker 6: We ever go to Australia, gotta remember we're coming back home.
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Speaker 1: Tim Dams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, get them while you can afford them.
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Speaker 3: With all those kids, it would be an expensive trip,
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Speaker 3: especially when you consider they just demolished twelve dollars worth
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Speaker 3: of Timtams now so far to have a bit of
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Speaker 3: fun with this, of course, but this Timtam opera today
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Speaker 3: highlights the gap between the mainstream in this country and
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Speaker 3: the political elite. Albow talks about his surpluses and net
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Speaker 3: zero pledges and cost of living packages, but he doesn't
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Speaker 3: have to worry about the price of Timtams for the
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Speaker 3: pantry in the lodge. In this country right now, in
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Speaker 3: millions of homes, the pressure of mortgage payments, grocery bills
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Speaker 3: and power bills means that when a little family treat
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Speaker 3: like a packet of Timtams goes from four dollars to
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Speaker 3: six dollars, some people will have to miss out. And
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Speaker 3: that shows you the cost of living crisis is biting.
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Speaker 3: And that's why the last thing Albaneze wants now is
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Speaker 3: a double dissolution election. He will hang on as long
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Speaker 3: as he can and hope that he might get one
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Speaker 3: interest rate drop, one little drop after a dozen increases
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Speaker 3: before he faces voters at the ballot box.
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Speaker 2: Then we'll see who gets the chocolates. There was a big.
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Speaker 3: Reaction to what I had to say about the ABC
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Speaker 3: last night after Heston Russell and the Channel seven Spotlight
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Speaker 3: program exposed the manipula, trickery and incorrect information ABC journalists
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Speaker 3: used to try to portray Russell and his soldiers as
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Speaker 3: murderous war criminals.
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Speaker 2: It's an astonishing case of.
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Speaker 3: Media treachery that nearly destroyed Russell as his brave soldier.
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Speaker 3: As this brave soldier explained to us last night with
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Speaker 3: Andrew Bolt.
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Speaker 7: Now, there was a moment where it just broke me
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Speaker 7: to realize that, you know, I was in the federal
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Speaker 7: court fighting them on defamation, you know, by our democratic
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Speaker 7: laws of the land, and this giant at one point
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Speaker 7: four billion dollar beast does up against funded by every
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Speaker 7: Australian taxpayer, was willing to go to the links to
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Speaker 7: doctor footage and add gunshots in order to try and
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Speaker 7: slam me and try and win in their fight against me.
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Speaker 7: That's when I sort of realized that those values, you know,
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Speaker 7: and those freedoms that we saw the spouse that veterans
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Speaker 7: go on fight for don't mean anything back home when
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Speaker 7: you take on the ABC to prove them wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the values he fought for, Hay And just a reminder,
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Speaker 3: the ABC said Russell was shooting he wasn't. He was commanding,
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Speaker 3: and they said that he was shooting unarmed civilians.
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Speaker 2: They weren't.
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Speaker 3: They were shooting at armed terrorists who shot at them,
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Speaker 3: and they were trying to take them alive. But the
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Speaker 3: ABC fiddled with the footage to create something completely different.
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Speaker 12: Revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and the
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Speaker 12: version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willison, which
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Speaker 12: starts with six rounds of firing, then the single warning
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Speaker 12: shot becomes six.
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Speaker 1: To me, it appears some of these things.
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Speaker 7: They literally added extra gunshots.
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Speaker 1: That's phenomenon. So I fell off my when I saw this.
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Speaker 3: Astounding, isn't it. Heston Russell had more to say about
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Speaker 3: that last night too.
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Speaker 7: I was sitting there and I had to show my
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Speaker 7: mum that raw footage of me getting shot at. Like
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Speaker 7: the ABC has that footage, it clearly shows that they
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Speaker 7: weren't unarmed anyone.
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Speaker 13: And yet for eighteen months they allowed that narrative that
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Speaker 13: it was simply indiscriminate shooting at unarmed civilians from a
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Speaker 13: helicopter to be up on their website, getting all the
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Speaker 13: views and the narrative carried on by others, including The Guardian.
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Speaker 7: Plus they went as far as adding extra gunshots to
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Speaker 7: reinforce their fantasy narrative.
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Speaker 2: Just terrible.
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Speaker 3: All power to him for pursuing this and exposing it
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Speaker 3: to the rest of us. Incredibly, while he's been taking
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Speaker 3: on the ABC, he's had no support from Defense.
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Speaker 7: Why am I a veteran deployed to Australia by Australia
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Speaker 7: to Afghanistan fighting the ABC on this in the Federal Court,
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Speaker 7: in the Court of public opinion without any support from
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Speaker 7: the Department of Defense ordered me to go over there
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Speaker 7: and to conduct these operations with my soldiers.
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Speaker 3: Why indeed, and I'll tell you what else is a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: That is the response from the ABC today. The managing
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Speaker 3: director David Andison in the past has refused to apologize
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Speaker 3: to Heston Russell, and now that Heston Russell has asked
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Speaker 3: to meet with him or the new chair Kim Williams,
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Speaker 3: listen to.
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Speaker 2: The response they gave us.
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Speaker 3: We asked whether the ABC bosses would meet with Heston Russell,
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Speaker 3: and their spokesperson, Nick Lee, says no comment, yep, nothing
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Speaker 3: to say.
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Speaker 2: No accountability.
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Speaker 3: They just take one point to billion dollars a year
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Speaker 3: from taxpayers and seem to think they are not answerable
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Speaker 3: for their actions. And what do you think the ABC
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Speaker 3: tackled on their Media Watch program last night perhaps the
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Speaker 3: biggest media story of the day.
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Speaker 14: As far as editorial disasters go.
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Speaker 15: It was an overdose of inaccuracy.
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Speaker 8: And my question is who with anyone checking the stuff
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Speaker 8: before it's published.
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Speaker 3: Was she talking about the ABC's coverage of the Afghanistan war?
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Speaker 2: Of course not. They did not mention it.
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Speaker 3: Let me repeat that after that expose of the ABC's
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Speaker 3: shameful manipulation aired on Channel seven Sunday night. The next night,
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Speaker 3: on ABC's Media Watch program, they ignored it. So typical
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Speaker 3: media watches a program that runs for fifteen minutes a week,
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Speaker 3: but has a staff of ten, a taxpayer funded staff
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Speaker 3: of ten, and a full time host fifteen minutes a
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Speaker 3: week for a full time wage.
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Speaker 2: Normally it's hosted by Paul Barry.
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Speaker 16: Hi, I'm Paul Barry that oh no, Sky is outraged again.
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Speaker 2: But Barry's off on leave at the moment.
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Speaker 3: A program that runs for fifteen minutes a week goes
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Speaker 3: into a two month recess over summer, has a full
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Speaker 3: time host, and somehow he's also off on holidays in
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Speaker 3: the middle of the year. That's your ABC at work
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Speaker 3: on your tax dollars, maliciously maligning our soldiers one day,
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Speaker 3: smugly unaccountable the next.
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Speaker 2: Now for more on the fallout.
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Speaker 3: For our troops, for our troops when it's comes to
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Speaker 3: the Afghanistan war. I'm joined by Peter Jennings from Strategic
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Speaker 3: Analysis Australia, joining me live from Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Peter. I read your article.
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Speaker 3: In The Australian with great interest yesterday. I want to
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Speaker 3: get your thoughts. So it's not just Heston and Russell,
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Speaker 3: although his treatment by the ABC is disastrous. Your argument
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Speaker 3: is that so many veterans from Afghanistan have been thrown
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Speaker 3: under a bus by the government and the way it's
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Speaker 3: handled all of these war crimes allegations from Afghanistan.
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Speaker 17: Yes, look, I think that's pretty much true. For the
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Speaker 17: last two government's Chris, there's been no attempt to try
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Speaker 17: to make justice hasten more quickly. Paul Breton, Major General
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Speaker 17: Breton did find some serious allegations of potential war crimes,
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Speaker 17: but it has taken years and years before these have
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Speaker 17: got to a point where even now they may still
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Speaker 17: be a long time away from reaching court.
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Speaker 2: I made the point in my article that.
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Speaker 17: The young men who have been accused will be middle
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Speaker 17: aged men potentially by the time they have their day
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Speaker 17: in court, and they may never because, of course, the
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Speaker 17: Taliban has taken over Afghanistan, and in the meantime what
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Speaker 17: governments have sought to do is just put as much
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Speaker 17: distance between themselves and this story as they possibly can,
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Speaker 17: And the senior leadership of the Defense organization has remained
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Speaker 17: pretty aloof too. They managed to get a leave pass
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Speaker 17: from General Brereton saying that no one above the rank
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Speaker 17: of sergeant knew what was going on. But I think
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Speaker 17: the best way for Defense to deal with that would
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Speaker 17: be to open the books and say, well, this is
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Speaker 17: how things happened at the Strategic Command. I was part
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Speaker 17: of that at the time, but there's been a failure
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Speaker 17: on the part of Defense to address that. So I
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Speaker 17: think all the way around, there's been failures of process,
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Speaker 17: failures of political and military leadership, and the people who suffer,
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Speaker 17: the junior soldiers who are under a cloud of serious
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Speaker 17: accusations but have not had their day in court even
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Speaker 17: a decade after the events took place.
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Speaker 3: In our last week, there was the announcement that a
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Speaker 3: number of officers were going to have their service medals stripped,
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Speaker 3: and we heard from the Defense Minister Richard Miles is
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Speaker 3: what he said.
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Speaker 15: Then what we've done is followed to the letter the
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Speaker 15: reasoning and the thinking of Major General brewn And in
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Speaker 15: his report, and that's why we've made the particular decisions
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Speaker 15: that we have.
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Speaker 3: On Peter, you rightly point out the Burton Report was
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Speaker 3: handed down under a coalition government. What we've heard from
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Speaker 3: politicians since then and from the leaders of the this
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Speaker 3: is a great shame on the country, that this is
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Speaker 3: at a great stain on our country's record. And you
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Speaker 3: pointed out in the Australian yesterday there's twenty six thousand
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Speaker 3: service personnel rotated through Afghanistan and we're talking about allegations
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Speaker 3: involving up to nineteen of them and still haven't been
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Speaker 3: tested properly in court.
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Speaker 2: Yet that smear hangs over so many.
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Speaker 17: And what's more, the current Minister, Richard Miles has done
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Speaker 17: nothing to try to address that. Indeed, he said to
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Speaker 17: Parliament Chris that this was something that was a national shame,
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Speaker 17: a shame for the whole country.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what nonsense.
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Speaker 17: The twenty six thousand people that served in Afghanistan served,
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Speaker 17: at the government's direction, an immensely difficult job and they
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Speaker 17: did it very well, and we should be proud of
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Speaker 17: them for that. We should also be proud of the
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Speaker 17: fact that we have a system that brings people that
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Speaker 17: do wrong to justice, even though the wheels have justics
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Speaker 17: move very slowly.
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Speaker 2: So too slowly. Just quick, sorry, I just want to
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Speaker 2: just yeah, I just want.
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Speaker 3: To show you what Keith Wallahan, liberal MP and Afghanistan
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Speaker 3: veteran himself had to say.
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Speaker 5: And we're not talking about saying that, you know, Angus
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Speaker 5: Campbell or others are directly responsible for this. We're saying that,
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Speaker 5: should you wear a medal that says you had distinguished
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Speaker 5: command and leadership even if things happened that you didn't
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Speaker 5: know about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter Jennings, if these other officers have been stripped
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Speaker 3: of their medals, should Angus Campbell hand his back?
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Speaker 17: No, because I don't think this is an exercise of
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Speaker 17: hanging one individual out to dry. And this is why
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Speaker 17: it's such a shame that Defense has failed to open
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Speaker 17: the books to explain how the senior command of the
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Speaker 17: organization operated. I think there's a positive enough story to tell,
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Speaker 17: but a failure of political and military leadership means that
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Speaker 17: we don't know.
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Speaker 2: About it and it's never going to fly.
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Speaker 17: In Australia to say that you and your people pay
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Speaker 17: the price and send your people get away with it.
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Speaker 17: That's just not going to work in our culture. So
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Speaker 17: this is an issue that's going to continue to burn
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Speaker 17: until such time as the senior leadership of Defenses prepared
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Speaker 17: to open the books and explain how was that war conducted,
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Speaker 17: what were they doing, how did they engage with government
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Speaker 17: at the time. These are the questions that need to
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Speaker 17: be answered. And it's not just about taking off medals
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Speaker 17: from one individual Chris. It's frankly more serious than that.
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Speaker 17: It's about how Australia fights was and there should be
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Speaker 17: some public site into that story spot on.
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Speaker 2: Peter Jennings.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank well said, and thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Peter Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia. I want to
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Speaker 3: stay in Canberra now and catch up with Liberal Senator
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Speaker 3: Alex Antik and talk about the government's misinformation laws and
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Speaker 3: it stouts with the big digital giants.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Alex.
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Speaker 3: We have Anthony Albanezi in a public spat with the
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk and the like.
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Speaker 2: Now two separate issues here.
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Speaker 3: One is about whether you know we have proper id
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Speaker 3: checks young people so that we can prevent kids from
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Speaker 3: getting on the social media. But surely when it comes
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Speaker 3: to these misinformation laws, you'll be greatly worried, along with
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk about what this government's trying to do.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, Chris looked. I think they're terrible, terrible proposals. I mean,
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Speaker 18: we had an exposure draft six or nine months ago
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Speaker 18: which the Minister released. It was widely canned. I think
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Speaker 18: it was some of the worst legislation I've seen, and
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Speaker 18: twenty four thousand submissions that went to the Minister's office
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Speaker 18: would suggest that that was the case. An overwhelming response
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Speaker 18: from Australians of all makes and models. It went back
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Speaker 18: to the drawing board and the new version has been
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Speaker 18: spat out and I've got to say it's not much better.
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Speaker 18: In fact, it may even be worse in some respects.
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Speaker 18: What you'll seek to do is codify what is misinformation
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Speaker 18: what is disinformation to words that barely existed five years ago,
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Speaker 18: and it creates categories effectively, Now it's reasonably verifiable content
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Speaker 18: online that is misleading and deceptive and causes serious harm.
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Speaker 18: The categories of serious harm as alarming as anything. This
21:03
Speaker 18: deals with things which would affect public health in this country,
21:06
Speaker 18: and we've just been.
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Speaker 2: Through all of that.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely, you and I have spoken many times about the
21:10
Speaker 18: Department of Home Affairs trying to get Australian's posts censored
21:14
Speaker 18: when many of them were true, and in fact, that
21:17
Speaker 18: story that you just referred to with the ABC, you know,
21:20
Speaker 18: classic sort of misinformation, but they would be exempt because
21:23
Speaker 18: these laws don't apply to the mainstream media print, radio, newspaper.
21:27
Speaker 18: This is an attack on independent content creation and an
21:32
Speaker 18: attack on free speech.
21:33
Speaker 2: We can see where the Government's going to go with
21:35
Speaker 2: this argument.
21:36
Speaker 3: They'll try and conflate their two issues so they get
21:38
Speaker 3: the public on side against the digital giants. And I,
21:41
Speaker 3: for one, I'm quite comfortable with the onus being on
21:44
Speaker 3: the digital giants to have to have a proper way
21:46
Speaker 3: of verifying someone's age before they sign up. Let's force
21:50
Speaker 3: them to do that. But they shouldn't be forced to
21:53
Speaker 3: implement this sort of censorship because, as you say, we
21:56
Speaker 3: saw the censorship of truthful information during COVID under a
22:00
Speaker 3: Labor government or a Greens government or any stripe. In
22:04
Speaker 3: the future, you will have them censoring proper debates about
22:07
Speaker 3: climate change and climate action and energy debates because they're
22:12
Speaker 3: forever trying to trying to portray the arguments against them
22:16
Speaker 3: as misinformation.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, that's exactly right, and we will see that. And
22:21
Speaker 18: in fact, some of the examples that have been used
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Speaker 18: in the government's own explanatory documentation are absurd. They use
22:28
Speaker 18: the example of misinformation in the space of health. They
22:32
Speaker 18: use the example of people sharing information that Donald Trump
22:36
Speaker 18: said about injecting bleach to cure COVID, a claim which
22:40
Speaker 18: has been debunked multiple times, including by Snopes, which is
22:45
Speaker 18: a fair indication of where that one's up to. And
22:48
Speaker 18: you know, only this government could use misinformation as a
22:52
Speaker 18: way of against prosecuting claims for misinformation. I don't think
22:56
Speaker 18: this is the problem that their government know what they're
22:58
Speaker 18: trying to solve here. This is old about control. It's
23:01
Speaker 18: about profits for the mainstream media and control over the
23:06
Speaker 18: narrative for the government and the establishment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great worry, a great worry.
23:11
Speaker 3: Indeed, I think the Coalition is going to have to
23:14
Speaker 3: oppose it out right rather than try and fiddle with it.
23:16
Speaker 3: We'll see where it ends up. Thanks for joining us, Alex,
23:18
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Senator ALEXANDIK they're live from Queensland.
23:21
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break.
23:22
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'll catch up with Stephen Senate
23:24
Speaker 3: Tempo and Christy McSweeney. We'll talk about how the top
23:26
Speaker 3: CEOs in this country saying Australia is going backwards under labor,
23:30
Speaker 3: plus the royal family accused of cropping out Megan Markle.
23:39
Speaker 2: Let's solve the problems of the world with our panel.
23:41
Speaker 3: Now we're joined by Radio two Double See Breakfast host
23:44
Speaker 3: Stephen senat Tiempo in Canberra and Christy McSweeney, Managing Director
23:48
Speaker 3: of pr Council in Melbourne.
23:50
Speaker 2: Thanks both of you for joining us.
23:51
Speaker 3: So I've got some breaking news though courtesy of the
23:54
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's Instagram feed. I'm going to show you the
23:58
Speaker 3: latest pictures and audio. We must have the sound up
24:01
Speaker 3: on this. This is something the Prime Minister wants the
24:03
Speaker 3: nation to see. There is Christy the Orange Grove Primary
24:19
Speaker 3: School in his electorate. The bad news for Elbow is
24:22
Speaker 3: none of those kids are old enough to vote, and
24:24
Speaker 3: also their parents are probably voting for the Greens.
24:29
Speaker 19: I'm sure their teachers are there telling them how to
24:32
Speaker 19: vote and how good the Prime Minister is and how
24:34
Speaker 19: good the Greens are given its orange grove in the
24:37
Speaker 19: Electorateive Grindot and that's okay, that's up to them.
24:42
Speaker 2: And of course you.
24:43
Speaker 19: Know all prime ministers love the school kid reception photo,
24:47
Speaker 19: Oh don't they. It's great to see pms get out
24:51
Speaker 19: there and do that too. You know, we could apply
24:53
Speaker 19: them for it. They want love from people who don't
24:56
Speaker 19: understand what they're doing to the country.
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Speaker 2: Good on him. I spoke at a school event the
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Speaker 2: other week.
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Speaker 3: It always gives me the hebgb's I'm worried I'll get
25:03
Speaker 3: expelled again. But that's another story, Stephen. The thing is,
25:07
Speaker 3: with that beautiful reception from the primary school kids, the
25:10
Speaker 3: Prime Minister won't be getting that tonight at the Business
25:13
Speaker 3: Council of Australia and your dinner.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 20: And you know everybody thought as Rock was the biggest
25:19
Speaker 20: rock in Australia, but the one that the Business Council
25:21
Speaker 20: has been hiding under for the last two years must
25:23
Speaker 20: be even bigger, because all of a sudden they've woke
25:25
Speaker 20: up to the fact that Australia's going backwards. Look, I
25:28
Speaker 20: credit brand Black and the Business Counsel of Australia for
25:31
Speaker 20: finally calling the government out and saying, listen, we need
25:33
Speaker 20: to start turning things around because Australia's going backwards. But
25:37
Speaker 20: why are they so afraid of government? I mean we
25:39
Speaker 20: are talking about some of the biggest organizations in the
25:41
Speaker 20: country that always seem to pander to whoever the government
25:45
Speaker 20: of the day is. And finally they're speaking up two
25:48
Speaker 20: years too late. But good on them.
25:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you spot on.
25:51
Speaker 3: But it's always the case, right The unions are always
25:53
Speaker 3: pushing labor. They're you know, the Labor Party is their beast.
25:57
Speaker 3: But Christie, as you would well know, and you're work,
26:00
Speaker 3: I mean the business.
26:01
Speaker 2: Once there's a change of government, they want.
26:03
Speaker 3: To do business with that government and they're hoping it
26:05
Speaker 3: will work out, and they all want to get some
26:06
Speaker 3: grants under this building a Future Australia and all this malarkey,
26:10
Speaker 3: and their hopes are always dashed eventually, and they always
26:14
Speaker 3: try and play ball with labor until they finally realize
26:17
Speaker 3: it's hopeless and then they.
26:18
Speaker 2: Start speaking out.
26:19
Speaker 3: And I suppose that's the import of what's happened today
26:23
Speaker 3: is they've given up on labor. They know that economically
26:27
Speaker 3: they're dealing with a basket case of a government.
26:31
Speaker 19: Well look what happens is christ I spent my life
26:34
Speaker 19: advising CEOs how to pick a pragmatic battle with the government.
26:40
Speaker 19: And it won't surprise you that most CEOs say, oh,
26:43
Speaker 19: we can't say that we want to do business with
26:46
Speaker 19: the government. The government expects you to state your case.
26:50
Speaker 19: The government expects you to lobby for the interest of
26:53
Speaker 19: your members. If you're a business lobby for example, yes
26:56
Speaker 19: the government expects you to be pragmatic, but they know
26:59
Speaker 19: what your view is. You are not going to do
27:02
Speaker 19: yourself any favors with the government by pandering to them.
27:05
Speaker 19: And of course it was the latest greatest leader of
27:10
Speaker 19: the BCA, Tony Shepherd, who said government respects you more
27:14
Speaker 19: if you pick a little bit of a fight with
27:16
Speaker 19: them and start your case. But we've lost that in
27:20
Speaker 19: corporate Australia. Recently, thank goodness has been repaired with the
27:24
Speaker 19: Chair of Quantus, new Chair formacyo of Aasiano and a
27:28
Speaker 19: number of other corporate leaders around Australia starting to make
27:32
Speaker 19: entree that look, perhaps the government is not doing its
27:35
Speaker 19: best for business.
27:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good point. You've got to pick the right
27:38
Speaker 3: fights now. Anthony Albanezi was asked today whether he thought
27:42
Speaker 3: there'd be an interest rate cut before the next election,
27:45
Speaker 3: and he said this.
27:47
Speaker 4: I don't comment on the responsibilities of the Reserve Bank.
27:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, And whenever he uses that word responsibilities and doesn't
27:56
Speaker 3: want to say any more, I'm always reminded of this.
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Speaker 5: Powerboll says not shun answer.
28:09
Speaker 3: He gets up, Jue, he thinks not, it's just too perfect, Stephen.
28:20
Speaker 3: Now Ray Hadley uses that, of course on his show
28:22
Speaker 3: before yours, surely after yours.
28:24
Speaker 2: Surely he'll let you use it as well. Oh absolutely.
28:29
Speaker 20: And I'm a big fan of the Robertson brothers and
28:30
Speaker 20: they've nailed it once again. But I just find an
28:33
Speaker 20: extraordinary that he says, I don't comment on the responsibilities
28:35
Speaker 20: of the Reserve Bank.
28:36
Speaker 2: He's treasurers. Saw you're sure happy to do that.
28:39
Speaker 20: It's pretty bad, just prim but obviously it's absolutely extraordinary.
28:44
Speaker 20: But look, the lack of leadership starts at the top.
28:47
Speaker 20: But if you look at every minister right across this government,
28:50
Speaker 20: none of them seems to think that they are responsible
28:52
Speaker 20: for their own portfolio. Now I say this all the
28:54
Speaker 20: time here in the Act that we don't have minister
28:57
Speaker 20: or responsibility. But it's one of the pillars of our
28:59
Speaker 20: sister of government that ministers are where the buck stops.
29:03
Speaker 2: Not with this government though.
29:05
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:05
Speaker 3: Now let me move on to a big Victorian issue, Christy,
29:08
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on this, because this bombshell privately
29:11
Speaker 3: funded independent report into what happened with Daniel Andrews and
29:16
Speaker 3: that car crash.
29:17
Speaker 2: Here is a recreation that they came up with.
29:20
Speaker 21: Dr Shuey concluded that the driver was traveling at high speed,
29:24
Speaker 21: cutting the corner while turning into Ridley Street, and that
29:27
Speaker 21: the SUV was on the wrong side of the road
29:30
Speaker 21: when it's slammed into ryan head on. Dr chu says
29:35
Speaker 21: that Ryan's bike went under the suv and he was
29:37
Speaker 21: hit by the front of the car, thrown onto the windscreen,
29:41
Speaker 21: and then over the top of the vehicle. Dr Shue's
29:44
Speaker 21: report concludes that the driver of the SUV was responsible
29:49
Speaker 21: for the near fatal crash.
29:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christy, they're effectively accusing Daniel Andrews and his wife
29:54
Speaker 3: of lying.
29:56
Speaker 2: Will we ever get to the bottom of this?
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Speaker 19: I don't think we will get to the bottom of it, Chris.
30:03
Speaker 19: We all know that things happen with political figures and
30:07
Speaker 19: the police force is no friend of Daniel Andrews.
30:10
Speaker 3: In Victoria.
30:11
Speaker 19: By the way, they fought him on curfews when he
30:15
Speaker 19: went out and lied and said that was a directive
30:17
Speaker 19: by the police commissioner. The police commissioner rebuked that and said, no,
30:22
Speaker 19: we didn't tell him that. They fought his directives to
30:25
Speaker 19: not talk about certain crime issues on the radio. They
30:28
Speaker 19: fought him on the sobeer and up laws and the
30:30
Speaker 19: Herald injecting laws in the CBD. So look, no doubt
30:35
Speaker 19: officers when confronted with oh my goodness, it's the premier's wife.
30:39
Speaker 19: Who knows what's happened in reality there we.
30:42
Speaker 15: Just never know.
30:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.
30:45
Speaker 3: I think we perhaps will never know, but it's worth
30:48
Speaker 3: trying to pursue, but we may never get there.
30:50
Speaker 2: I just want to go to a little royal scandal,
30:52
Speaker 2: Stephen Bright up your alley.
30:54
Speaker 3: The late latest photo that the royals have been the
30:57
Speaker 3: Palace apparently has been using of Prince Harry to celebrate
31:00
Speaker 3: his fortieth Here's the picture.
31:02
Speaker 2: And the scandal is that in the original of the
31:06
Speaker 2: photo is his lovely wife Meghan Markle there. But they've
31:10
Speaker 2: cut her out. Now, I've got a theory about this.
31:13
Speaker 3: They want to cut her out of as many photos
31:16
Speaker 3: as they can because she makes the rest of them
31:18
Speaker 3: look so damn ugly.
31:22
Speaker 20: No, I think they just want to cut her out
31:23
Speaker 20: of the family because she's caused so many problems.
31:25
Speaker 2: That's the reality of it. Look, you know, can you
31:29
Speaker 2: blame them?
31:30
Speaker 20: I mean, there has been every scandal effectively that has
31:33
Speaker 20: happened in the royal family in the recent years has
31:36
Speaker 20: been because of Harry and his wife. And look, they're
31:39
Speaker 20: trying to read it well, they're calling it an olive
31:42
Speaker 20: branch the birthday greeting free his fortieth But I think,
31:45
Speaker 20: as I say, they're trying to cut her out of
31:46
Speaker 20: the family, not just out of the photos.
31:48
Speaker 2: We will see.
31:48
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Christy mcsweety and Steven Senterskim, I
31:52
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Oh, as they used to say on the
31:55
Speaker 3: Late Show, why they can't they all just love each other?
31:57
Speaker 2: They should all just love each other and really in
32:00
Speaker 2: that family.
32:01
Speaker 3: Now, on the other side of this, breaking on to
32:02
Speaker 3: catch up with faith groups, their latest war on coal
32:06
Speaker 3: and gas, and also the left's violent retoric blamed for
32:10
Speaker 3: the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Well, it often
32:19
Speaker 3: seems like climate change activists have created a new religion.
32:23
Speaker 3: Now one hundred and fifty places of worship have launched
32:26
Speaker 3: a climate action campaign, unfurling banners calling on the Prime
32:30
Speaker 3: Minister and Peter Dutton to support a rapid transition from
32:34
Speaker 3: colon gas to clean energy.
32:36
Speaker 2: The group has released a video message, have a look.
32:40
Speaker 17: This is a message from faith leaders to the Prime
32:43
Speaker 17: Minister and the leader of the Opposition.
32:45
Speaker 22: We are in a climate crisis in Australia and globally.
32:49
Speaker 22: People are dying, People are losing their homes and their
32:52
Speaker 22: livelihoods because of floods, fires and droughts.
32:56
Speaker 8: Snitzkval fair Shield finance and much larger amounts to low
33:00
Speaker 8: income countries to help them transition to renewables and deal
33:05
Speaker 8: with climate related disasters.
33:08
Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm joined by the very Reverend
33:10
Speaker 3: doctor Peter Catt. He's the Dean of Saint John's Cathedral,
33:14
Speaker 3: live from Brisbane.
33:15
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Peter, You're welcome.
33:20
Speaker 3: There's a fair bit of fire and brimstone in that video,
33:24
Speaker 3: claiming that Australians are dying now because of climate change and.
33:29
Speaker 2: Droughts and floods and fires.
33:30
Speaker 3: There's no evidence that droughts or floods or fires have
33:33
Speaker 3: increased in this country because of climate change, and sadly
33:36
Speaker 3: they are always a test for people on this continent.
33:42
Speaker 16: There's certainly evidence that in the Torres Strait, for instance,
33:45
Speaker 16: they're losing their lands as the result of climate change,
33:49
Speaker 16: and the bushfire likelihood has gone up, and people are
33:55
Speaker 16: dying of heat because of the increased heat in summers.
34:00
Speaker 16: It's one of the silent killers. But that's already happening.
34:04
Speaker 16: And if you ask the Torres boy, you ask the
34:08
Speaker 16: Torres Straight Island, the people, they're losing their lands at
34:10
Speaker 16: an incredible rate. Ardie rose Elu was with us today
34:15
Speaker 16: and they're losing access to fresh water because of the
34:20
Speaker 16: rising sea levels due to climate change. The young people
34:24
Speaker 16: are noticing, just saying as we were gathering that the
34:28
Speaker 16: young even the young people, are noticing that the climate
34:30
Speaker 16: is changing very rapidly in that part of the world.
34:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the scientificific evidence doesn't back that up. There's
34:37
Speaker 3: a lot of science saying that will happen, but we're
34:39
Speaker 3: not getting those impacts now. Despite the retrick. You obviously
34:44
Speaker 3: buying into a political debate here any any reservations about
34:48
Speaker 3: the churches getting into a political debate about energy options.
34:52
Speaker 16: It'd be great if, as in other parts of the world,
34:56
Speaker 16: this wasn't seen as a political issue. It's really a
34:59
Speaker 16: very simple but complex issue of how we actually make
35:04
Speaker 16: a transition to using renewable energy so that we can
35:09
Speaker 16: actually avoid climate change. In the nineteen seventies, we treated
35:15
Speaker 16: CFC's as simply an environmental issue, got on with it,
35:20
Speaker 16: changed our refrigeration refrigerants and dealt with the whole. In
35:23
Speaker 16: theozone layer and other parts of the world, they don't.
35:27
Speaker 1: See it as a political issue. They just see it
35:29
Speaker 1: as an environmental issue that needs to be dealt with.
35:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's nowhere else in the world that's trying
35:34
Speaker 3: to switch to renewables plus storage alone. No other country
35:37
Speaker 3: has attempted to do that. Letlone succeeded. And you know
35:40
Speaker 3: that working families in this country, much much less the poor,
35:46
Speaker 3: absolutely rely on affordable, reliable energy and we're giving that away.
35:52
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, No, I don't agree with you on that.
35:55
Speaker 2: The cheapest have you seen a power bill lately?
35:58
Speaker 1: Cheapest form of vent energy is solar and wind.
36:02
Speaker 16: And one of the reasons we have high energy cuts
36:06
Speaker 16: at the moment is because of our legacy generation capacity
36:12
Speaker 16: which is wearing out very quickly and needs to be
36:14
Speaker 16: replaced well.
36:15
Speaker 3: With respect, that's just the political retric from the left.
36:18
Speaker 3: The facts are other eyes. Our energy prices keep going
36:21
Speaker 3: up because we've given away affordable, reliable sources and we're
36:24
Speaker 3: investing so much money in intermittent sources. I just also
36:30
Speaker 3: want to know about whether Australia can actually influence the climate,
36:33
Speaker 3: because here's what the then Chief Scientists famously revealed to us.
36:38
Speaker 23: All if we reduce the world's carbon emissions by one
36:44
Speaker 23: point three percent, what impact would that have on the
36:48
Speaker 23: changing climate of the world.
36:50
Speaker 2: Virtually nothing?
36:52
Speaker 3: Okay, So don't we need to be frank with Australians
36:56
Speaker 3: and just admit that whatever Australia does cannot influence the CLI,
37:00
Speaker 3: it cannot change the climactic events in this country.
37:04
Speaker 16: Australia has got to do it's bit because if everyone
37:07
Speaker 16: has that same attitude, then there'll be no change. So
37:10
Speaker 16: Australia has to do it's a bit along with the
37:12
Speaker 16: rest of the world, and our Pacific neighbors need us
37:15
Speaker 16: to act with haste well, because.
37:17
Speaker 3: But it won't make any difference. We're making ourselves poor
37:20
Speaker 3: to make no difference. Can you see that that is illogical.
37:25
Speaker 16: On the contrary, the move to renewable energies offers incredible
37:31
Speaker 16: prosperity and lots of new jobs which will be highly paid.
37:36
Speaker 16: And we've seen that happen in other parts of the
37:38
Speaker 16: world transition. If it's well managed and planned, rather than
37:44
Speaker 16: simply let up left to the market. If it's well
37:47
Speaker 16: managed and planned, then people actually prosper.
37:50
Speaker 2: We might take up this debate again. We're just about
37:52
Speaker 2: out of time.
37:53
Speaker 3: But if you see my point, what you're mounting there
37:55
Speaker 3: is a very ideological and partisan political argument that many
38:00
Speaker 3: people would suggest churches should stay out of. It's not
38:02
Speaker 3: a factual scientific argument.
38:05
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think the science is on our side.
38:09
Speaker 3: Everybody. Thanks for joining us, Reverend Peter Catt, I appreciate it.
38:13
Speaker 3: That's doctor Peter Catt from Saint John's Cathedral in Brisbane.
38:17
Speaker 3: We're going to get onto the US politics now, and
38:19
Speaker 3: as you know, it's still in turmoil. I'll cross to
38:21
Speaker 3: Kristen Tate in Boston in a moment. But to get
38:24
Speaker 3: us there, let me remind you of what I showed
38:26
Speaker 3: you last night. About how the Democrats and their supporters
38:30
Speaker 3: have invoked violent retrick against Donald Trump.
38:33
Speaker 2: Have a look at this collection that was aired by
38:35
Speaker 2: the Republicans.
38:37
Speaker 12: If you had to be stuck in an elevator with
38:39
Speaker 12: either President Trump, Mike Pans or Jeff Sessions, who would
38:41
Speaker 12: it be?
38:44
Speaker 11: Does one of us have to come out of line?
38:50
Speaker 3: Crash always asked me, don't I wish I were debating you?
38:53
Speaker 2: No, I wish through in high school. I could take
38:55
Speaker 2: it behind the gym. That's what I want. I should know.
38:59
Speaker 2: I should have bearnhigh school.
39:00
Speaker 1: I take you behind the.
39:01
Speaker 2: Gym and beat the hell out.
39:03
Speaker 22: I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings call
39:05
Speaker 22: of the country.
39:06
Speaker 5: Maybe they will be that.
39:07
Speaker 9: You cannot be civil with a political party that wants
39:11
Speaker 9: to destroy what you stand for, what you care about,
39:15
Speaker 9: enemies of the state.
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Speaker 22: Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up
39:22
Speaker 22: the White House.
39:34
Speaker 3: Kristin, that's a compilation that the Republicans have put together.
39:37
Speaker 3: But it makes the point, doesn't that there's a climate
39:40
Speaker 3: that's been created and the Democrats have been key in
39:43
Speaker 3: creating that climate.
39:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, nobody should be shocked to see incidents like this
39:47
Speaker 9: assassination attempt to kirk when left wing leaders and media
39:51
Speaker 9: figures regularly tell their followers that Donald Trump and all
39:55
Speaker 9: of the supporters are xenophobic, white nationalists, threats to democracy.
40:00
Speaker 9: This is coming from the very top. President Biden in
40:03
Speaker 9: April told the country that Donald Trump is the biggest
40:07
Speaker 9: threat to democracy. And then, of course everyone in the
40:10
Speaker 9: media for years now have been saying that he's racist,
40:13
Speaker 9: he's enophobic, he's a threat, he's a threat. So of
40:17
Speaker 9: course there's going to be some portion of the constituents
40:20
Speaker 9: who hear this message that really takes it to heart
40:24
Speaker 9: and goes out there and takes action. And let's be clear,
40:27
Speaker 9: this kind of rhetoric was on the rise on the
40:29
Speaker 9: left long before Donald Trump came on the scene. Years ago,
40:33
Speaker 9: Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren were telling their supporters that
40:37
Speaker 9: conservatives were racist. We saw Steve Scalice get shot at
40:41
Speaker 9: a congressional baseball game. So the left has just watched
40:44
Speaker 9: their base of voters devolve into an angry mob of fools.
40:49
Speaker 9: And there's a permissive, violent, permissive culture of violence on
40:53
Speaker 9: the left at this point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've often said that nobody does hatred like the
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Speaker 3: political lift. It is really a whole of the way
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Speaker 3: they conduct political debates. Donald Trump has made this point
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Speaker 3: himself after this second assassination attempt was thwarted in reference
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Speaker 3: to the alleged would be assassin, and he says he
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Speaker 3: believed the retrick of Biden and Harris and he acted
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Speaker 3: on it. Their ratrick is causing me to be shot
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Speaker 3: at when I'm the one who's actually going to save
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Speaker 3: the country and they are the ones that are destroying
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Speaker 3: the country, both from the inside and out. And I
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Speaker 3: should also point out Christin that this is a point
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump made before this latest assassination attempt at the
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Speaker 3: debate last week.
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Speaker 1: Have a look she weaponized.
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Speaker 24: I probably took a bullet to their head because of
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Speaker 24: the things that they say about me.
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Speaker 2: They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're
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Speaker 2: the threat to democracy. Yeah, Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Just last week there, christ And now we now know
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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump himself uses strong language and rhetrick. But
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Speaker 3: it's not a one way street. And it's so clear
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Speaker 3: that the democra have got to answer this change. They
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Speaker 3: promised to lower the temperature. They've done nothing of the
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Speaker 3: sort of.
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Speaker 9: Course they haven't. And this has been going on since
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Speaker 9: twenty sixteen, since the day Trump was inaugurated, when police
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Speaker 9: indicted more than two hundred deranged left wing rioters. The
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Speaker 9: left loves this, and you know, these leftists, they love
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Speaker 9: to promote platitudes of unity and civility and bringing the
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Speaker 9: country together that they are absolutely fanning the flames of
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Speaker 9: hatred and Chris, I'm afraid of what's going to happen
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Speaker 9: in the next few months. There could very well be
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Speaker 9: more assassination attempts or political violence coming from the left,
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Speaker 9: especially if the leaders on the left, particularly Kamala Harris
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Speaker 9: and Joe Biden, don't forcefully call for their constituents to
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Speaker 9: cut it out and be peaceful and civil to those
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Speaker 9: with different political opinions. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, the point is there's such a lack of ladyship
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Speaker 3: Christian we sold Joe Biden, who was almost absent really
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Speaker 3: when it comes to political leadership at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Let's be frank.
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Speaker 3: But after the successful attempt, the shot against Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: that actually made contact with his ear, and that shooter,
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Speaker 3: of course was taken out by the Secret Service, you
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Speaker 3: will remember, of course, Joe Biden gave an address to
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Speaker 3: the nation where he said that they would be pulling
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Speaker 3: back their retric that would lower the temperature of political
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Speaker 3: debate in the US. And then subsequently he went on
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Speaker 3: again to talk about Trump as being a threat to democracy.
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Speaker 3: And then again now after this second assassination attempt has
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Speaker 3: been thwarted, we heard from the president.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 8: There is no and I mean this in the bottom
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Speaker 8: of those of you who knowing many of you, do.
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Speaker 4: No place in political violence for political violence in America.
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Speaker 2: None, zero, never.
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Speaker 3: I've always condembt political violencewers always will in America. In America,
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Speaker 3: we resolve our difference peacefully at the battle box.
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Speaker 2: Now at the end of a gun, Kristin, it strikes
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Speaker 2: me that that is just the bare minimum.
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Speaker 3: And to say you're you condemn political violence, he's like
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Speaker 3: saying we all need oxygen to live.
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Speaker 2: It's just nothing.
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Speaker 3: What's he going to do about the security detail around
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and about lowering the temperature of political debate.
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Speaker 9: The answer is nothing, And the messaging is very clear.
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Speaker 9: It's not just about Donald Trump, Kris, It's about his supporters.
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Speaker 9: Trump supporters all the time have their cars vandalized. My
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Speaker 9: brother actually had his car vandalized because he had a
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Speaker 9: Trump bumper sticker, on it. We see leftists in places
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Speaker 9: like Portland beating people with crowbars who they believe to
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Speaker 9: be conservative. The messaging is very clear from the top,
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Speaker 9: not by what's just said, but what is left unsaid.
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Speaker 9: And again, it's very scary situation right now that the
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Speaker 9: temperature has never been higher, and I'm afraid that many
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Speaker 9: on the left want that they want to fan the
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Speaker 9: flames of hatred within their base.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the division probably searchs their election gender. Let's leave
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Speaker 3: the last work to last word to Donald Trump himself
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Speaker 3: and his reflections on what occurred yesterday.
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Speaker 24: All of a sudden, we heard shots being fired in
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Speaker 24: the air, and I guess probably four or five and
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Speaker 24: it sounded like bullets. But what do I know about that?
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Speaker 1: But Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets.
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Speaker 24: And they grabbed me and we got into the carts
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Speaker 24: and we moved along pretty good. I was with an
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Speaker 24: agent and the agent did a fantastic There was no
45:32
Speaker 24: question that we were off that course. I would have
45:34
Speaker 24: loved to have sank that last part, but we decided
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Speaker 24: let's get out of here.
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Speaker 2: He would have loved to have signed that last pop Kristin.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 9: God bless Donald Trump. And you know, political tensions are
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Speaker 9: reaching a boiling point, but God bless them for powering
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Speaker 9: on and standing up to save this country.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Kristin. Thanks for catching up again. We'll
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Speaker 2: chat next week.
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Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Chris.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary times in the US. Now, after this break, we're
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Speaker 3: going to catch up with Tim Blair talk about the
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Speaker 3: baseless nuclear narratives on the ABC plus tearmp Allegraspender.
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Speaker 2: Finally gets an electric vehicle.
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Speaker 3: Let's catch up with the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair live from.
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Speaker 2: Victoria's wonderful Wimmer. Are great to talk to you again, mate.
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Speaker 2: There's three topics.
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Speaker 3: We're nearly out of time, but I want to get
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Speaker 3: through three topics with you, so let's rip through them.
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Speaker 3: First of all, Labour's advertising spin docks of d Mannigan
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Speaker 3: on the Q and a program last night on nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 14: There's been thirty six accidents I think worldwide, and even
46:42
Speaker 14: the slightest, the slightest rays in radiation means increase in
46:47
Speaker 14: miscarriage and is still birth in childhood cancers.
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Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't want my kids you want?
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Speaker 6: You just brought that up.
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Speaker 2: Can you put some substance to that I did. That's literally,
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Speaker 2: but what are you quoting?
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Speaker 12: That?
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Speaker 2: Literally? Science? Literally science?
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Speaker 3: Oh, Tim, the old nuclear scare campaign and it's literally science.
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Speaker 2: It's like the vibe of the thing.
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Speaker 6: And all you've got to do it with an avacy.
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Speaker 6: Audiences say literally the science and they cheer you like it.
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Speaker 6: It's incredible.
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Speaker 2: I just love though that.
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Speaker 6: The rest of that debate, Madigan and other people who
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Speaker 6: are against nuclear were saying, oh, twenty years is way
47:24
Speaker 6: too long. Twenty years are way too long. These are
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Speaker 6: people who otherwise are talking about centuries and millennia about
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Speaker 6: climate change, but suddenly twenty years. Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this from Nuclear for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Our mate Will Shackle He said he wants media wats
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Speaker 3: to investigate these claims from d Madigan made on Q
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Speaker 3: and A to ascertain whether they're factual.
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Speaker 2: And I say, good idea, will, but don't hold your breath.
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Speaker 2: That won't be happening. But what about this picture.
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Speaker 3: This is d Madigan holiday in Paris because she's so
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Speaker 3: scared of nuclear power plants.
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Speaker 2: She wanders around Paris like every good chardonnay socialist would,
47:59
Speaker 2: where they you know, seventy five percent or more of
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Speaker 2: the power is nuclear. Now, talking of.
48:05
Speaker 3: Talking of hypocrisy, we've spoken before about Allegra Spender.
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Speaker 2: When she was first trying to get elected as.
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Speaker 3: A TiAl, she admitted that she didn't have an electric
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Speaker 3: vehicle that she wants everyone else to drive.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 14: I tried very hard to get solid panels on my house,
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Speaker 14: but I'm an a strata area and I couldn't. And again,
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Speaker 14: I can't have an electric vehicle because I don't have
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Speaker 14: a garage and I don't have a driveway, so I've
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Speaker 14: got a hybrid. I also have a non e petric
48:29
Speaker 14: diesel car actually because and we use those really separately.
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Speaker 2: Believable, she's got the diesel for the farm. Anyway, I
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Speaker 2: can update the situation, Tim. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 2: She posted this on Twitter or Instagram on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Here she is saying it's pretty cool charging the car
48:47
Speaker 3: at one of the new federal government funded charges in Willara.
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Speaker 2: Great to see more of these popping up in our area.
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Speaker 3: Now she is a millionaire living in Willara and she's
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Speaker 3: loving the fact that the taxpayers of Australia are providing
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Speaker 3: her with a handy little Charger.
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Speaker 6: Hey, this is how crap e these are. Even if
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Speaker 6: you're worth one hundred and fifty million bucks, which is
49:10
Speaker 6: a conservative estimate, like respend his current bank account. Even
49:14
Speaker 6: if you were one hundred and fifty million bucks, you've
49:16
Speaker 6: got to put your hand out to the taxpayer to
49:17
Speaker 6: give you a little bit of juice on the street
49:20
Speaker 6: to go like her complaining about not having a garage
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Speaker 6: or space for a solar roof. Just move down the street,
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Speaker 6: get out of the eastern suburbs. You can have all
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Speaker 6: the area you.
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Speaker 2: Want, mate.
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Speaker 3: I've also on the third topic, I've got to compliment
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Speaker 3: you on your column today.
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Speaker 2: This lovely line from Tim Blair.
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Speaker 3: He said that Donald Trump has survived two assassination attempts
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Speaker 3: and that's the same number of media interviews given so
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Speaker 3: far by Kamala Harris. He survives assassination attempts, she barely
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Speaker 3: survives interviews.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim Blair. Sorry we had to
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Speaker 2: truncate that, Tim Blair. You can read his stuff in
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph. It is always fantastic. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night from Brisbane at five o'clock. Here's Peter Kredlin