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Bonus Patreon Episode: Peter Corbeau! With Derek Nichols and Daniel Gilford! · Graymalkin Lane the podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, welcome back to the Great Malkin Lane Patreon channel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're queer friends and allies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get to talk about nerdy, obscure characters like supporting characters like the weirdly relevant and consistent character Peter Corbo who does everything but also kind of never really does anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the panic guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He likes to hit panic buttons from space and we're Sailor Cap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's basically the character summed up in one sentence, but this was a fun dive into a character I have never given a lot of thought to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Jay from Jay and Miles is a really fond of this character, which is really fun, and it's going to be our own unique take.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I get to meet with two friends from real life who also happen to be two handsome climate scientists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this will be a fun evening for me, where I just get to learn all kinds of nerdy things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me welcome both of my guests, so I'll have you both introduce yourselves with your name and
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[SPEAKER_03]: pronouns, let us know a little about yourself, and I'd love to hear your initial thoughts on Peter Corbo, and what makes him unique?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Question mark in the Marvel Universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's begin with Daniel Gilford returning to the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for having me again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really exciting to be here and talking about this character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name is Dr. Daniel Gilford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a climate scientist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I use he and they pronouns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spend a lot of time thinking about how communities around the world are being affected by climate change and the extent to which human beings are responsible for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do a science called climate attribution science where we try to put numbers on the extent to which human beings are responsible for certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my real passion is hurricanes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I live in Florida and Florida is really threatened by hurricanes a lot of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's something that's really important to me and I love Dr. Peter Corbeau, not just because he's an ridiculously awesome scientist with a very cool cap, but because he is he is the embodiment of the spirit of adventure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, an interesting take already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let me also welcome Derek Nichols back to the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Derek, great to see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, good to see you too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm both of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm Jack Nichols.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need my problems with he and they.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am currently in Buffalo, New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where I've been for a while now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am my day job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I work for a university here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want not to correct you, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That name, that title scares me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to school for every planning, so I've worked in the act of this realm with climate at the university that I work at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My job is to store our climate action plan, so making our operations more sustainable, also tapping into the wealth of knowledge that our climate scientists that are faculty have to make an impact here locally as well as globally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my passions and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, involving all of that is the justice side of everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I work for an institution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an anchoring institution here in Western Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are our climate impacts on the community that surround us immediately and then long-term?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I like to frame out things that way with my work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then regards to Peter Forbo, like I said, not a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, when I first started learning about him, like, he's a physics, like, noble prize winner in physics, I stayed away from every physics class that possibly could, because that's just not my brain works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he is actually relatable in many ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the few grounded relatable geniuses in the Marvel Universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Geniuses are always an interesting category in life, in fiction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Geniuses are people who tend to have
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[SPEAKER_03]: high drive, high interest, high logic, but often poor people skills, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can look at someone like Howard Hughes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I design planes and I also make movies and I also, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Elon Musk who is designing cars, but also buying social media networks and fluency politics and building rockets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's this kind of odd thing where people will do a whole bunch of stuff that, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is mapping the genome while reforming world politics through social media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is crazy to us, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we look at really high impact people, we look at scientists who some of them have very high respect in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where names like Stephen Hawking come in and we automatically go, oh, oh, that's an amazing person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Neil deGrasse Tyson, oh, that's an amazing person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Peter Quarbo, first thing we want to establish is he is much more Neil deGrasse Tyson and much less Tony Stark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He seems to be a decent guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he has a lot of really variable interests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys want to list some of the things that Peter Corbo is a genius in astrophysics?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the first ones that jumps to mind, he's kind of always dabbling and science around astrophysics.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's really into sailing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a sailing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a sailing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he an expert in sailing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Back by sentinels like right away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's an expert in gamma radiation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's an expert in space travel and the sun itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much that intersects with astrophysics with a stargates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He seems to have a little bit of knowledge in a lot of things, which is like time travel stuff that's something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I was like, wait, he's becoming a bit of a general list here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's that guy, you know how like Marvel has like that old like group of sixty scientists from Hank Pym to Hank McCoy to Tony Stark to read Richards and they kind of just know a little bit of everything Hank Pym is obsessed with like size-changing things but he's also a biochemist but he also designs robots including genocidal ones and you're like okay, that's a lot
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, early announcement, we're going to be doing a script reading, uh, the three of us together, which we will be recording right around the time this episode comes out, where, uh, Daniel's going to be coming back to play Hank Pym.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Dr. Daniel Gilford playing Dr. Henry Pym, uh, typecasting question mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a typecasting, uh, based, at least on, uh, Hank's personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not want to be compared to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dirt Nichols will be playing for, uh, typecasting question mark on a person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to we're going to begin with just some climate science stuff Daniel will you share with everybody a little bit how you ended up on your career track and what it is that fascinates you about the world in twenty twenty five yeah so when I was about sixteen years old I was living through Hurricane Jean in two thousand four it smashed a tree in my backyard and it was
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[SPEAKER_01]: tumbling towards the windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was staring out at the tree tumbling towards me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother yelled duck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't duck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a scientist just a few years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is actually what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did get sort of swept away by the imagination and the beauty strength of the storm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to understand it better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had this visceral experience of how important these storms were for the communities that I love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I wanted to serve those communities by understanding these storms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how they're being influenced by climate, how they're varying over time and space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Understand these things and bring those back to the community so that we can protect more people and more communities from these damaging and beautiful storms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I view science very much as this lens through which I see the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see this very beautiful thing, this very terrifying thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These hurricanes, for instance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Climate change is also one of those very beautiful complex problems, but very terrifying and its impacts on human beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been working on this problem now for maybe about fifteen years and it's really gripped me now I have children of my own concerned about their future I'm concerned about where we're going as a as a people I really want us to be working towards you know making a more equitable more
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[SPEAKER_01]: future for our children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I work on this problem today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I work on a non-profit space trying to put out information to the world to communicate how climate is changing and what we should do about it and what we should do about it first and foremost is what we're doing right now tonight to just talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I work as a crisis responder often online often remotely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I spent a couple of weeks working with a lot of businesses in North Carolina after the recent hurricanes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people who lost their homes or were like stuck at home without power resources for a long period of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was this great sense of like the world keeps going even when you're in crisis, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're taking care of your elderly mom or you got triplets at home or you are homebound and unable to access the resources or your medicine runs out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the world keeps going, whether you are there or not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that really stood out to me is how everybody was overwhelmed together that most people had stories about people really coming together and working together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that like inspiration of humanity is a beautiful thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As we're recording this in early January, I've been looking at stories on social media all day about the wildfires in California and people coming together and helping, and of course, again, tremendous loss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But stories like this, when I see people overwhelmed by an act of God or creation, if you will, and I'm not a person who believes in God, but anything that falls into that category, I think people have a way of really drawing together in a way that I find very, very inspiring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Derek, do you want to give a little bit of your own pre-evil?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how did you end up where you are?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I feel like this is such a like I'm pandering to the audience, but honestly, I know I just became fascinated with the weather by watching the excellent cartoon beat by falling in love with storm like my first book report in fifth grade was on the weather because I was so like like number one storm fan, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of set my trajectory off and another life, I'd love to be like a meteorologist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I went to school, I took, I really wanted to focus on disaster planning and urban planning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had an opportunity to do things like I went to Columbia and I presented on a tornado outbreak, but that happened close by in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Too a bunch of Columbians because they were thinking about how to
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[SPEAKER_00]: how do we plan for our book, you know, eruption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're so as more about the response and reaction to disasters, policy wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, through grad school focused on the disaster preparedness disaster communication to me organizing and now being like a citizen in the Buffalo area climate change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is gonna hit this region a little bit differently than others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People along the coasts are gonna get severe, severe storms flooding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Western New York where I'm from has been labeled like a climate refuge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is kind of contentious here because we'll have extremes in our dorms that we have now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people won't see massive like flooding or disruption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people are saying like, hey, let's open it up and Buffalo is a cross-belt city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in population decline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are, you know, politicians and residents who are excited for an influx, but the people who have been living here for decades who have been disadvantaged and need services and need better access to infrastructure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, you know, there are communities that are resentful of that notion because we should be taking care of who we have here currently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and that was a testament.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two years ago, two or three years ago, I'm losing track of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Buffalo had that lizard on Christmas that killed forty, fifty about fifty people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That showed like the breakdown of disinvestment because, you know, it's some unfortunate number of people of our black residents died compared to white residents in the county.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because we related to access to resources on a sociological level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we come from a generation at least our parents in this kind of post-World War II white privilege era where we had a group of people thinking that they were just the best fucking thing that ever happened to the planet, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Christian culture of like you were saved for a special time and you're raised in this generation and there was like kind of an invulnerability feeling that showed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in our generation as the economy is crashing and the population is expanding and the resources are growing limited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are panicking about our children, where our parents were just like, let's have all the babies, you know, it's a very different time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It gives me a lot of game of thrones vibes where everybody's just warring with each other while the white walkers are up in the north ready to just descend on all of us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Salt Lake City does not get a lot of incrementally bad weather, but there's been some really interesting things where I live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had a windstorm here a few years ago that knocked over a bunch of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: During the pandemic, we had an earthquake here, which never happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's all been all these really creepy reports about if the great Salt Lake actually dries up, which it's been in significant danger of doing, it's going to release like a poison in the air that will make the valley uninhabitable in a certain amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone's like, same, the lake, same, the lake, and it's really fucking scary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you see things like this in the news, whether you're on the coast or in the mountains, it's like, oh man, what are we going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Pierre Quarbo weirdly kind of represents that energy in the Marvel Universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like every one of his appearances is like danger danger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to die.
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[SPEAKER_03]: have to narrowly avert it through some sort of superhero action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of scary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, is that he's the constant like panic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I said he's relatable, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, because I think he's also right every time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't record vocals, you fucking listen because he knows what he, this is not Iron Man pushing the panic button because he's having an emotional crisis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This man is right every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is very tragically right often as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He often can be right, but in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the story, we're going to go into, I'm sure, with the X-Men, he leads the X-Men to go into eventually lead to the Dark Phoenix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, you know, down the road, but he is a key Brian person in sort of kicking that off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of them very much as like this adventurous spirit, but he also brings within this kind of danger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anytime he's in the room, he's getting excited about what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else is feeling the panic, but I don't feel like he's feeling the panic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Peter is good at quitting all the data, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm going to keep going back to Hank Pym or Reed Richards here, Hank Pym builds a robot and he uses like his brain and grams at it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that robot ends up becoming genocidal right ironman builds that device to like contain the phoenix force but it ends up splitting it into five and like the unpredictable results thing do you guys know the character the mad thinker who's always like wahaha I can predict everything except for that
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[SPEAKER_03]: One thing who could have predicted the Deadpool was gonna have acorns in his pocket during the fight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm defeated again, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter Quabo's not that guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter Quabo, when there's something that shows up, he's willing to recolate the data.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When something like the Phoenix Force suddenly shows up at the doorstep, he goes, oh, here's this thing I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm ready to like recalibrate now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not stubborn in that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the resilience of this character like the way that that is kind of a through line for him is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's delve into his first appearance, which is a shocking one in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know Chris Claremont really latches onto the characters he creates in other titles and will often bring them into the X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He does that with characters from his miserable stuff from his, he even brought that anger I in from like, I don't know, some monster comic that he wrote early in Marvel's days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: War Hawk is another one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The heap they'd face in the early X men in incredible Hulk, one, forty eight is where we first meet Peter Corbott.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is in February, nineteen seventy two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The era that my show is in all through twenty twenty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for this is an Archie Goodwin and Chris Claremont story with her trimpy on art.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The story is called, but tomorrow, the sun shall die as we automatically begin at a drama place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We open on Thunderbolt Ross, Betty Ross, and Glenn Talbot who are supervising the construction of Project Green Skin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where we meet Dr. Peter Corbo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's dressed in a green striped pants and a turtleneck and a plaid purple jacket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This man is a fashion icon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He does all his shopping at thrift stores, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst outfit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But his outfit on the boat is much better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His fashion sense grows over time and mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a little bit of like sheldon from Big Bang Theory energy about himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's looking out at the construction of this personal project.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then Thunderbolt Ross, who's the Big Military Aurora, you know, guy, says, we'll nail the Hulk for your core bow, but hang to find see how that orbiting, who's us of yours out in space, can turn him back into Bruce Banner permanently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yet now it was fact the world's first orbiting solar reactor, a fact that might be the salvation of a colleague, a friend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Robert Bruce Banner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We meet Peter Corbowe, he's introduced as a doctor of physics, a Nobel Prize winner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He smiles he's used to people who doubt who don't understand how they refuse to believe in his greatest triumph, star core one, which we'll talk about in a moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Corbowe responds to the general, of course, your skeptical general.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have heard many such theories and seen them fail, but once this receiver unit is set up, I think we'll see mine succeed, provided naturally that you capture the Hulk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so the Hulk Busters, they're the military guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They capture the Hulk with deadly artillery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They bring them back to Corbou.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks trapped inside that brood is a man I ruined with at college.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A man I drank with, laughed with over the years until this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now let's talk about mad science that goes wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bruce Banner is the fucking Hulk after his bomb was decided.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's loyal to Banner in a way that we don't really ever see followed up on after this issue, which is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He activates a laser beam trans viewer that is monitoring his star core space station as it faces the sun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then he activates the, quote, hydrogen helium reactor, which draws energy from the sun projecting it to Earth and relaying it to a, quote, solar wave receiver, which then filters the Hulk's body penetrating his body's atoms in order to neutralize the gamma radiation in this form and thus cure him of being the Hulk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Hulk cries out in pain, but he's pleased in the end because he's changed back to Bruce Banner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It fucking worked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter Corboc cured the Bruce Banner of the Hulk Affliction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the sun is now flaring with more radiation than expected.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it turns out the sun might wipe out life on Earth unless Bruce gives up being the Hulk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Peter sends him to relax on the beach while they investigate Jarrella, that green skin girl that Hulk once thought Lorna Dane was her, which is hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little princess girlfriend from the microverse shows up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Corbore realizes that the magic that was used to bring Jarrella to Earth is what has made the sun unstable and now it might blow up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he feels it's unjust to send Jarrella back to her homeworld because she might die there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he plans to send an LMD instead, and it's gotta like weigh the same amount as hers, so we could like displace the mess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But there's an assassin named Fialin, who's there to kill Jarella from her home world, to save lives, Bruce Banner ends up turning himself back into the whole, the life model decoy gets destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole gets trying to Jarella has to be sent back to the microverse, the cure worked, but it failed, but now the sun is stabilized, and that is the fucking introduction of Peter Corbot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot to unpack in this story, and this is his most dense story out of all of them, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you said, like, this being his most dense story, I think the fact that he said those things about going through some colleges, like the most background we get on him ever, about his younger days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just to have like that whole, like the chaos of Derella,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after there was all said and done, it's a shame he didn't go back and revisit the situation or like trying to learn from that and adapt because you said you did cure the Hulk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's potential there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like it's a, you know, sixty years later, it could be a plot point to follow up on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he got science weapon, excellent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's this moment where Peter Corbowe is like steps on to the scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is so self confident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have seen that scientist in the room before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that scientist in the room before at times where you're just like, I know what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know where we're going with this project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I'm going to lay out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's self confident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: things go terribly wrong and he makes the adjustments and makes it work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't seem to ever be sort of in a panic himself and I think there's, you know, something really admirable and incredible about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is super frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure and we don't really get this fall out, but I've been there as a scientist where things work the way you want them to and it still fails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is incredibly frustrating as a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In many ways, this is one of the things that is really frustrating about actually working on a problem like climate change because the way that I feel like, you know, the way the things go well is if I sort of work my way out of the job right like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If everyone in the world knows that climate change is a problem and we're all working to stop it, then I probably can pack it up and go home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that happens in my lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that we're working, you know, towards these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are always going to be these sort of problems that are looming that we have to work on together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Peter Corbough faces this obstacle and he gets it right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He succeeds at his problem and then he has to give it all back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's incredibly frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so one of the interesting components for this guy is he is able to gather resources relatively quickly and he was right, right?
20:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's working with the US military.
20:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a plan when I gave that mad thinker comparison a minute ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has the exact plan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's calculated all the data.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sun in the satellite and the energy receivers and everything works perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing he can't predict is that this lady teleported to Earth from the microverse at that moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then he immediately recalibrates, oh, let's send an LMD back, but you know, banner sacrifices himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really interesting character development, and he's a likable character in this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the many people to try to cure the Hulk, but one of the few to actually succeed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting too, because the Hulk mythos has been explored so deeply, gamma energy, and the multiple personalities of Bruce Banner, and how it connects to like the eldritch dimension of the green door and the more recent stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You almost wonder if Peter even knew, but there is so much continuity still to be added later, you know?
21:23
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing that's really powerfully introduced in the beginning, which is kind of a marble staple, but again, never widely explored, is the idea of star core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I could get out of star core is that it seems like it's a group of astronauts, and in some cases it's like a international collection of astronauts that are just monitoring the sun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as they focus solely on the sun,
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're taking a lot of data, but it's primarily the Sun, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Reminds me a little bit of the Sun station and all star Superman, if I can, definitely a little bit outside the Marvel Universe for a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are these like group of scientists that are clearly working together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we ever, do we ever learn what star core means?
21:59
[SPEAKER_03]: No, there's one issue of Iron Man, I think, where there's a bunch of periods put in, like it's an acronym, but most, it's just an X star core.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's only one spot where it's alluded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we get StarCore one, we get StarCore command, we get the StarCore start, we get StarCore station, we get Project StarCore, we get StarCore with acronyms in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'd never quite know exactly, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a division of NASA, right?
22:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's NASA, sometimes it's the United Nations, sometimes it's stark international.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know at different times he was calling for shield.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stuff in the early seventies, two were things were direct parallels of what was happening in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do not know if StarCore was something that exists the real world in some sort of capacity, but this is nineteen seventy two, which is only three years after man landed on the moon.
22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's jump to Avengers one or two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is an issue we've reviewed on my show.
22:51
[SPEAKER_03]: This is where the son of a ball of a trash is back in the Avengers fight the Sentinels in the Australian Outback.
22:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where the Sentinels are trying to cause a solar flare that will wipe out all humans and make them sterile and thus, you know, destroy all mutants, which is their primary programming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you remember Cyclops sent them flying into the Sun one time and then they came back mutated or at least sentinel number two did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So in Avengers one or two, this is a really Thomas story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We get the quote, Starcore One is a Sunwatch station, paid for launch and man under the auspices of the United Nations, spinning endlessly midway between Earth and Venus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is the life's dream of one Peter Corbough, designed by him to scan it, find out what makes it tick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's also quite good at crying wolf.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see some people here, they're later given names, but this is Dmitry and Hillary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They see the massive sentinel's leave the sun's orbit and head to Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Corbowe warns the Avengers something wrong with the sun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fatally wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some outside forces trying to provoke a Nova Force resonance pattern in the sun's energy field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In short, trying either to blow it up or cause it to a solar flare of fantastic intensity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Already it's induced flares which shoot several million miles out into space, though non-powerful enough to harm the Earth yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and he's tracked it to the Australian Desert.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every hour on the hour, a new flare is evoked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the next one could be the one which might eradicate virtually all organic life on Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And welcome to the first of Peter Corbos cat leg cameos where he gets to explain sunscience to Marvel superheroes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the sun is an incredibly important part of the climate system in effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't be here, obviously, without the sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we wouldn't have weather without the sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have weather primarily because the Earth is trying to move around extra bits of energy and some parts of it to the parts of the planet that have less energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The energy is trying to sort of balance itself out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where are we getting all that extra energy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting it from the sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the weather on our planet and the climate system that's set up, which are basically just a long-term effects
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether over time, those are related to the sun as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when we're talking about climate change, that is, you know, human cause climate change, which is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is really an earth bound effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is what we call a terrestrial effect, where it's really this long wave earth based radiation that is really being captured by the carbon dioxide, where you're increasing the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when it comes to a long-term changes of our climate system, on the human timescales that we care about, the sun changes are not actually playing that big of a role.
25:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also about the delicate balance, right?
25:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to have that perfect distance from the sun, the right amount of protection from it, if we're a degree higher or a degree lower, everything changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And with global warming, there's obviously major impacts of our own climate raising and the devastating potential impacts of that in our very short lifetimes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen a number of changes already happen in the sun plays a big part in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Peter gets to call out the watch cry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This repeatedly in the early nineteen seventies sometimes it must be kind of like a cool job to have to right like the palm of your own solar flares so I love that I hope that's on his business cards like I've won two Nobel prizes and I'm the Paul Revere of solar flares
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[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently in nineteen seventy two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just looked this up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a major solar flare event that August and that makes total sense to me that Claire Montez looking at the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he sees this solar flare event and and you know has the idea to throw it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And right on this too, because the right Thomas had the essentials doing the solar flare thing, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've thrown myself into the world of like movies and music in nineteen seventy two, but I've certainly not studied science.
26:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we next see Corbo again, back in incredible Hulk number one, seventy two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a guy named Colonel John Armbruster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We reviewed this episode on my show as well because of the juggernaut appearance, but there's some really fun energy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Armbruster is a guy that's trying to take the nonsense that is Thunderbolt Ross and actually do stuff against the Hulk correctly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody's so fucking pissed at it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about them a little bit on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a long interchange between Armbruster and Corbo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will you guys read this section of dialogue?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Aderic will you play John Armbruster and Daniel will you play Peter Corboguer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot about you, Dr. Corboguer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Inventor of Sarkhor one, Noble Prize winner, and I believe you gave some help to help Buster based ones.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you?
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Will you be glad to know that the Hulk problem is finally solved?
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Hulk problem, Colonel Armbruster?
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You've caused it with your incredibly ignorant policies.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming to Hulk Buster based immediately to see if I can fix up the disaster that you created.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you Armbruster.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: on who's authority, Mr. Kervo?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The White House is Colonel and in case you're wondering, they don't like me any better than you do.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They do like the benefit.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They derive from Star Core I. Okay, so he's in love with Bruce Banner, right?
27:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So Kervo arrives on the base and the conflict continues and the Hulk is pounding on his cage and literally shaking the ground and he's supposed to be sedated but like arm ruster miscalculated how much it would take to keep the Hulk sedated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we keep going here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kervo says, considering the number of complaints that you sent the Pentagon over Mike
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[SPEAKER_01]: coming here, Colonel, and surprise your personally escorting me around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My opposition to your presence here is on record, Dr. Corbob, but I follow orders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see that you get on the deans list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, you boys wouldn't be using rubber roses on the halt when they Colonel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And soon, good lord, men, the creatures on the verge of insanity, thanks to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And judging from the blow, blows, he will break free.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have much more than few hours now, Colonel, but we'll have to do his ex out of the hole into a limbo, like dementia, using a new space-time warp that I'm experimenting on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it was spare time, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's FaceTime Warp and that's a Tuesday for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it works, we'll be able to bring the whole back whenever we can cure him.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: If not, he'll be trapped in that dimension for all eternity.
28:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So he set up this big old machine and he and our bruster, the ones to put themselves at risk in order to activate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Peter says, you've got guts arm ruster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like why, Mr. And then they zap the Hulk away and Peter thinks, forgive me old friend.
29:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I just hope I have an exiled the Hulk permanently and with him Bruce Panters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So armbruster smoke and a pipe and he touches Peter on the shoulder says, your machine worked fine, Dr. Orbo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Colonel, it kindly take your compliments and cram them up your SSD, which is an acronym for safe secure transport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That helps us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty easy to blame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything on the military isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we make good scapegoats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always have.
29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: While you're making your clever insults and scoring verbal points, you might consider what the blazes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And suddenly, because he can't predict shit, Juggernaut shows up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been floating in another dimension, and he comes back and he breaks out, and he and the Hulk smashed through some shit, you know, Corbos gone from there.
29:42
[SPEAKER_03]: But Corbos gets called back into help the Hulk again.
29:45
[SPEAKER_03]: The romantic intonations of just like the queerness of these three characters, Corbos toward the Hulk and Armbruster toward Corbos is really interesting when you read this issue.
29:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's subtle, but it feels relevant to me.
29:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what your thoughts are there.
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew you were gonna go there with this, but I always do.
30:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We just, what I really like about for Bo, and I didn't say this in the beginning, again, one of these science is that Ashley has like a moral has morals.
30:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he just generally cares about the person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's a romantic caring, but like I think he's shown in many instances where he's actually cares about people and has that empathy instead of just being like narcissistic and trying to innovate and be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because probably not queer, but it's still fun to read it that way.
30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he might live on all pack of farm with his husband and have sixteen kids like I don't there's a whole bachelor we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't I think it's it's a genuine relationship that he just has thinking good you know has good feelings towards a friend for an old friend from college I don't think that it's more than that in this particular case, but I absolutely think you know what could be happening off on his
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: any number of private islands, which we don't know.
30:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't often see Corbol loses shit, but there's something about somebody who doesn't think things through.
31:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He has very little patience for that, right?
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think that's what makes him so frustrated with this guy.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He does send Hulk to his own private island, like off the coast to rejuvenate.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is he gonna go check up on him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is like a romantic like relationship that happens between Hulk and his Paramore like during that entire time.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's something there.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But he also has a satellite and a private island.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Many private islands.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm certain of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We will be doing this next three issues on my show as script readings later this year.
31:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It's X-Men ninety eight through one hundred is the infamous story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Marvel Comics most famous story, the initial part of the Phoenix saga.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where Stephen Lang has built Project Armageddon on a satellite up in space.
31:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's designed some sentinels that look like the old X-Men and he's fucking crazy and he wants to kill all mutants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Charles Xavier in X-Men, in the United States, is on vacation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's fishing aboard a boat named for the Princess of Mars, the book by Edgar Rice Burrows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Her name is Dazia Thoris.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Peter has a boat named after Dazia Thoris, which is cute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the boat gets destroyed and he later has another boat called the days of Thoris II.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's really obsessed with this character, which I think is really fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where we first see him in his little sailor cap and he's on his on vacation again with another man on a private item.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another billionaire queer coat.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and this is where he's looking real good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got his little sailor cab.
32:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got his little tight black shirt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a little pipe and the caption tells us that he won the Nobel Prize twice, but we don't know what forever.
32:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It's literally never told us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Charles has been having some nightmares of an alien princess.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Charles, if I didn't know you better, I'd figure this some sort of practical joke.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the binary star system you described isn't Miser A, or Alcimer Prime, or Ducenane.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Face it, Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Starcours charted over a half the Milky Way galaxy, and your binary isn't anywhere to be found.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your alien princess doesn't exist, Charles.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure, Peter?
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You must have missed something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean, no, me better than that.
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I checked the program a dozen times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Blaze's man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we ran a query through the fantastic four and Avengers charts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The result was the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that Charles looked.
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been under a hell of a strain lately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More than any man could rightly stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be that this binary star of yours isn't real at all.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be all in your mind.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you should see professional help.
33:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that this man can tell Charles to get therapy.
33:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes me happy.
33:34
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is a thing we see with Professor X and so many characters.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got these bonds with these people all over the world and one of them is with Peter Corbo.
33:42
[SPEAKER_03]: We know Xavier runs like a human underground like of mutant allies and I almost feel like Peter's like someone somewhere along the way.
33:49
[SPEAKER_03]: There's some story where he recruited Peter to this and they've been friends ever since.
33:54
[SPEAKER_03]: A Sentinel fucking rises out of the water.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Charles knocks it over with a mental blast, because somehow he can do that with Sentinels.
33:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It's never been explained, but it happens all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Peter pilots the ship out of there, and he yells, you've given us time, Charles, and with this little hydrofoil of mine, time is all we need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I designed this little baby of myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing afloat that can catch her when she's running.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, she's running fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do me a favor, though.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch out for our Tim playmate.
34:18
[SPEAKER_03]: While I call in the Air Force, Charles has overcome by another nightmare of Lillandra.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it startles Peter, Lord, that scream he yells.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The poor sawts gone totally around the bend.
34:28
[SPEAKER_03]: There's another Sentinel bursts right through the ship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It destroys the day's author.
34:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Captures Xavier and Corbo is left stranded at sea, saying, looks bad, shum.
34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You're two hundred miles from land.
34:40
[SPEAKER_03]: If no one heard you're made, eh?
34:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be one, longs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: way.
34:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's bragging about it.
34:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little boat that he has to cling to the wreckage of the water.
34:48
[SPEAKER_03]: In X-Men ninety-nine, Sentinels capture more of the X-Men, and Corbo helps the remaining mutant heroes track the Sentinel alloys into space by using Xavier's computers, which he has a familiarity with, and discovering a connection to Nora's Valhalla base.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as I never joking with Xavier had that kind of clearance.
35:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And it turns out the Steven Lang and his project, Armageddon Plan, have been waging war on mutants from a space station.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Quarbo joins the X-Men.
35:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very, very, very snug, white uniform.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're headed into space for a rescue mission.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Quarbo sees Cyclops lose his mind and desperation to gain control over the team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sees Lang launch the X-centenals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in one hundred, he's captured.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's in the Stasis tube.
35:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the subsequent fight, when he breaks out, he helps carry a unconscious professor X to safety.
35:35
[SPEAKER_03]: The X-Men load him up into the escape graph.
35:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Cyclops says, the fire's almost reached the hypergeolic fuel cells, Dr. Corbough.
35:42
[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't much time, and he says, wrong Cyclops.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We have all the time in the world, because we're sure not going anywhere.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: At least in this crate, the flight control computers must have been flagged during our little fracas with the sentibles.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And without it, we're as good as finish.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And Derek, we give us Wolverine here.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: What about a manual re-entry?
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, you got a, what about a manual re-entry?
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: What about it?
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: What about it Wolverine?
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Case you hadn't noticed, we got a thump in grade hole when the shuttles hole.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks again to the sentinels, no functional pressure suits.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the least of our problems.
36:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And that quote says,
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: got it Nikreller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The worst player in years.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The computer was supposed to fly us out of here while we sat safe and sound in the shuttle's shielded life cell.
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Only we've no computer.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I can fly a reentry, no sweat, but I wouldn't last thirty seconds in that flare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of you might survive the flare, but you can't pile at the shuttle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need someone who can do both, and there's no such animal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrong Dr. Corbbo, I can do both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you crazy, Jean?
36:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Since when are you a qualified astronaut?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Since now, hold still, Dr. This will only hurt a little.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a telepath Scott, remember?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can absorb all Dr. Corbbo knows about flying the space shuttle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I won't be a great pilot, but I'll be good enough to get us down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Jean has to knock Cyclops out in order to do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Corbbo is fucking on the ship when it crashes into Jamaica Bay, and Jean pops out as the Phoenix, and good lord, that's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to handle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he and his friend, Dr. McCay, give Jane the one silver, and they're like, she's fine.
37:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It turns out that's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the crazy fun fact, this is a character that's involved in the Dark Phoenix story line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we go through his like, chronological, or his appearances here, he's in a lot of really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's came in a lot of really important Marvel milestones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a superhero and doesn't have any superpowers, but the thing that really stood out for me after the boat crashes, he swam two hundred miles to shore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless there was a distress like shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's show it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's so he like appears in the backyard of the X-Men, like covered in like covered in water in the mansion like just out of the wreckage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seemed the way it's portrayed is very, I'm super heroic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I really enjoy that he has a connection to binary and Captain Marvel to eventually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of fun too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually going back and rereading this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally forgot he was a part of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks for calling him out for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another solar flare thing, right?
38:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's the guy that is able to calculate everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we need to survive and Gene downloads that intel from his brain in order to make sure that they get there, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really fun piece of this story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's his knowledge that allowed her to pilot the ship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is his most famous appearance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's captured in the cartoon later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he's in these moments to me is really exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the only not super-powered character in these moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that puts him in this unique position where he is particularly vulnerable, but he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not panicking when he's explaining what's going on when the ship goes down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he's about to go off into space, actually, can I
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[SPEAKER_01]: could that if I can just read one line from from a ninety nine so uncanny ninety nine there's this countdown fight which is one of my favorite panels in all of comics in fact where there's this great lift off of the space shuttle from Cape Canaveral where there's a five four three two one and you get thoughts from each of the X characters but the very first character that you got a thought from his Peter Corbowe and he thinks to himself five seconds and here I go again away from other earth and into the deadliest environment known to man so why do I feel like I'm going up
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is Peter Corbeau.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That spirited venture into danger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is with the X man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think because he is an X man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is embodying that aspect of the X man that I love so much, which is the willing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, very much actually like like Wolverine, this willingness to put himself on the line in search of something greater, whether that be protecting his friends in this particular case or just the spirit of adventure that I think he's embodying here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I find him very inspirational.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dan, you mentioned at the start like how the hurricane inspired you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the idea of Peter Corbo reading fiction as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's sci-fi and like getting this idea about Deja Thoris and like this world out there and that's like inspired his like long journey through all of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So in Ms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Marvel number six, this is another Claremont story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We get a flashback to years ago where Carol Danvers is in the Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She goes to Houston's lunar receiving laboratory and Dr. Peter Corbos working on the Cavalryt crystal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, the crystal is a high range energy matrix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Poor power into it and it seems to warp the space around it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in theory, poor enough power into it while focusing and refining the matrix below.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Presto, we have a potential faster than light star drive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, if we make the slightest mistake, the backlash will probably destroy the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Ms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Marvel fights Drotesk who gets the cavalry crystal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy who killed the change laying in Professor X's form.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a Patreon episode on Drotesk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this is another plot device for Peter who pops in for a panel or two to explain the science.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, clippy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, clippy and Microsoft Word.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter shows up a little cartoon avatar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He tells you what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You look like you're trying to fight with grotesque.
40:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to cover a bunch of stuff all at once and then let's pause.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do about five at a time here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In Avengers annual seven, Star Core is what informs the Avengers about Thanos's space armada approaching Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We jump to X-Men one, seven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're the McRain Crystal Blinks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And all of reality starts to blip out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and Corbos like what the fuck everything ended for like a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he turns to like Mr. Fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In one o' eight, he's radically delivering the news to President Jimmy Carter, a rest in peace, President Carter, the FF and the Avengers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We registered a total disruption of the nuclear and gravimetric lines of force that bind all matter together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if this disruption should occur again, ladies and gents, we could very well be witnessing the end of our universe as we know it and live in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One thirty five Corbos in space, the Dark Phoenix rushes by and he tries to analyze the data of it and it was like, oh, I don't know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That went by too fast in one thirty six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's panicking on the screen because Dark Phoenix is ended up planet this puts him on the basically on on par with the she are in terms of his like understanding of what's happening with Dark Phoenix like
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's analyzing what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's seeing that there's this major threat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is what the she are doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just find this like incredible, like he is at a very high level in in sort of the Marvel universe when it comes to space technology in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this man, UN Connections, Presidential Connections, Military Connections, Hero Connections.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's on a first name basis with the Reed Richards and Bruce Banner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he knows everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, James Carter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Jimmy Carter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love when they use the real president.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We jump to Xman-Win-Fifty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the deja-thorous tune out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the caption tells us, Peter Corbot, astronaut, physicist, engineer, creator of the Star Corps, manned orbital solar laboratory, and most importantly, friend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's playing host to Xavier and Warren McTagger and Carol Danvers, and I kind of get the vibe that these two are fucking here, so maybe he's bisexual or you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's wearing his little sailor cap and Xavier's out in the ocean looking for Scott Summers, who's been deserted on it island with Lee Forester.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Magneto's like magic island that he raised from the sea floor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Quarbo thinks they should look in the bermuda triangle and sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The X-Men are there, and there's a battle with Magneto, and Corbog, it's to help them save the day, and in one fifty-four, he's still on the island, prepping the ship with Colossus, and in one fifty-eight, he's still there, and Carol Danvers is training with the star gemmers, and he takes a reading on her fighting skills because she lost her powers, and she still has some superhuman alterations, which later turns her into binary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool to see him hanging out with a bunch of superiors like his own natural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shows how comfortable he is with the adventuring lifestyle and just what that leads to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I said before, I am after going through everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really want to see him follow up with Carol Danvers and like I think they could be I'm surprised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm shocked he's not hasn't been any Captain Marvel runs since this so
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[SPEAKER_03]: She ran like the alpha-flate space station for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a really easy place for Corboto to have showed up, right?
43:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's literally monitoring the Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He could have connections to Abigail bread and soared.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many places he could fit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made a cameo in Avengers West Coast in year five.
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was broke up and it made it into many parts.
43:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was basically a talking hen on a news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically on like a for our news channel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's on the nightline.
44:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was him, a senator to fit the senator's name and you a foe, a guy who owns a UFO hustle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a senator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a guy named William Contana who is described as the associate to the managing co-directors assistant to the on the vice president's task force on extraterrestrial events.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I forgot that title, but yeah, they were all being interviewed and terminus was an alien is on the planet and I that sort of is kind of convoluted to me, but like had a son and then won eight the other one and got super power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the tremendous is a lot to process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing like the science grounded in science sky and you see these debates play out like in real in the real world today where they have a science on there, but then there's a political last back to it.
44:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like the other extreme of this guy who owns a UFO hostile from Wisconsin.
44:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how they made him from the Midwest.
44:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're all trying to have a debate and then there's a lot of cross talk and he gets frustrated.
45:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just a little talking ahead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a fun appearance for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one of my favorites if I'm honest, it's cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then he's back in Avengers, three, four, three, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he has another sort of moment where he's like, good lord, the sun's entire electric magnetic field as meant snapping back and forth, like a rubber band.
45:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm starting to realize now does he have like some catch phrases like good lord and blazes and things like that?
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's come with these a few times that I started to pick up.
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: There's another, yeah, like solar flare thing.
45:59
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a really fun issue of ways are where ways are like scoops all this like dark sun spot energy off the sun with his like mega bands and like core bows like supervising it's an interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's another issue where like Captain Marvel saves the sun to there's a there's some really interesting stories where it gets really high sciencey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ironman three four teens seems to set up a new era for Ironman that never really gets followed up on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Corbos here at Tony Stark is rebranded his company, and he's like somehow finnangled getting the UN contract backing star core, which is defined as the United Nations Space Agency here.
46:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a meeting with Corbolis after that galactic storm business a while back to stored our original space platform.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The United Nations started to see the National Security Benefits of a robust space program.
46:45
[SPEAKER_03]: After he read my proposals, the Secretary General did tell me I was asking for the moon.
46:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I replied, what makes you think I'll settle for the moon.
46:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And in three nineteen, Corbol publicly announces that Stark has won the contract for StarCore, the command satellite.
46:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And Henry Peter Geirick is his United Nations liaison.
47:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay tuned for the inevitable trial of head repeater guy or caught by show sub day.
47:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But he has no idea Stark's kind of manipulating him and thinks of Corbo as an easy mark.
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: So this guy gets along with everybody with a fuck iron man.
47:14
[SPEAKER_03]: But then the crossing happens we're not going to worry about it.
47:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's some stuff set up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's never really followed up on.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes Iron Man comics really interesting to take on capitalism and how all that works.
47:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would have been cool to see that play out, especially how, you know, the capitalist structure that we all working in for the most part, like contributes to things like climate change or extracted economies and all that.
47:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So it could have been cool to see how Corbos moral compass kind of fell in with all of that.
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the most interesting part is like, how is he playing into the system when he's interacting with Tony Stark?
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how is he thinking about all that money and all of those resources and all of that influenced and that opportunity?
47:53
[SPEAKER_01]: How is he using it?
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to have seen more in this space, so I could kind of understand the ethical choices that he's having to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What inspiration we can draw from how he's navigating that, because I'm sure it's incredibly complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It remains very complex in our ecosystem.
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're trying to figure out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we move forward as a species working on a problem?
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Like climate change is incredibly complex because there are so many values.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many people that are vulnerable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many opportunities for growth ahead of us as well and there will be winners and there will be losers and it's difficult to figure out what decisions to make to
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[SPEAKER_01]: be most equitable, even if we were all on the same page about what equitable meant it would still be difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think there's a lot of work to be done in this space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love myself personally to have more inspiration for that.
48:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like there's a bit of a missed opportunity here.
48:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So approximately a hundred years ago, I did an academic panel on my show about Ceribro and we talked about this story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ceribro goes sentient for a while and creates a team of fake X-Men and he calls himself the founder and he poses his Xavier and he's trying to tie Jack
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[SPEAKER_03]: controversial rocket called the Benasse rocket that's being launched by the government to catalog mutants, but he wants to use it to like sterilize the planet or something and he questions Corbo who quickly realizes this is not Xavier and then Kitty Pride saves Corbo and protects him from the fake X-Men and I am really proud of myself for keeping that so simple because it's one of the most annoying stories in Marvel's history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand, but it's a pie of mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We jumped to Xman-V-V-V-V where we see Corbos send a distress call because she our stargate is opening and something's passing through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, he's there to a sound declaring call.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's back in Xman-One-Hundred because one time the high evolutionary who also has a trial on my show launched a satellite that ended up de-powering mutants for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now Corbos up there with the Xman trying to repurpose the satellite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we can do something good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with it, but humans want it destroyed, and he's determined like he can use it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in a key moment, Corbone reminds the mutants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Charles Xavier founded the X-Men as an expression of hope, and then the Neo attack, which is a evolutionary offshoot of people who have powers, but aren't mutants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The X-Men have to flee with Corbone against impossible odds, and there's another space adventure for Corbone with the X-Men that involves the Neo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, I just covered the Neo, the founder, the fake X-Men in like, thirty seconds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really proud of myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not get this far in the reading I have to admit that it is dense continuity goes crazy for a lot of two things one in that in the founder story like the image of seeing Pierre Corbo when he's shown when Kitty finds them is kind of jarring because he's panicking he's like tied up he's like stressed out and then it's never followed like Kitty rescue him and it's never followed up on like how he's doing or where he is or how where he ended up
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was like another, I feel like I'm saying a lot of like, there's a lot of loose tangents with this guy, but I think that's just his jam, like he didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, and that's all we need to know about him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a very consistent bit character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He serves a certain purpose, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Except for the occasional big adventure, which is fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hundred, whenever we're reading it, it's blending up the shuttle or the spacecraft was very similar, and he makes reference to like, oh, I've done this before, except that I'm a wait this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he references like the Phoenix saga in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need to make for cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that I was really cool call back and then the Xmen not say like so the Xmen are disguised themselves in the bit they're off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't land with the rest of the crew and they say oh Dr. Corbos and I like you will cover for the again shows what what a good ally I guess he is and how excited he is to be part of these adventures.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll cover the rest very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, listen to his position here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maximum security happens, which is where a bunch of aliens are like, let's go throw all of our worst criminals on Earth, which is what Trump says other countries are doing.
51:50
[SPEAKER_03]: This is where they like lock the planet up and toss ego, the living planet on to like, it's crazy stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a fun one.
51:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So Earth is a prison colony and Corbyl calls the Avengers from Space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like a force shield's been put up around the planet in uncanny Avengers seven genocide the son of apocalypse and famine the horseman who's a character I really want to do a Patriot on sometimes soon.
52:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he uses the star core station to send out like an edict to the universe in a title called Indomitable Ironman number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a NASA probe that's endangered so Corbyl calls Ironman to help save it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in Captain America and the mighty Avengers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Eight, the incursions are happening.
52:31
[SPEAKER_03]: This is where alternate reality, Earths are lining up with our own.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And only one can survive, and it leads into the secret wars by Jonathan Hickman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's delightful, sci-fi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Corbol makes a statement about the science behind it on the news, and he has a sailors cap on here, and he's called Dr. Peter Corbol, scientist, adventurer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We also gave him more recently an X-Men red number, sixteen and seventeen, where he's still in his sailor cap, and he's delivering weaponless Zen and Bucky O'Hare and the really gay Prince of Power character from Guardians of the Galaxy, and some mutant refugees to Araco.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Craig Marshall, who's Storm's new boyfriend, is there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The war breaks out, they have to redirect back to the peak, but they go back to Araco.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then X-Men Marvel snap shots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where Jay Editing actually gets to write Peter Corvo for one issue on like one page.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Derek, do you want to tell us about this one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just got a ten is like a read Richard's Tony Stark and Peter Corvo are presenting like their research in Omaha and Scott shows up in listening to like little baby Scott like from the orphanage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he like I think Corbo there's like two sentences they just show him speaking or writing on stage for doing like this TED talk on stage and then some villain the man says I think something I don't know Dr. Dr. Mantis yeah Linda her name's Linda
53:48
[SPEAKER_03]: tax and this different from the mantis.
53:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is somebody who just shows up one time.
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We in my locust episode, we talk about how we want her and locust to go on a date sometime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's giving very Edna mode vibes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of potential there for sure.
54:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think a lot of the potential of this character shows up in his consistent bits, the sailor cap, the ship, the sci-fi, the sun flares, but a lot of what we really need to love this character into making really integral are some of the things that fill in the holes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are the things that we're finishing our conversation that really stand out as the glaring things that you want to know about Peter Corbot that would make this character more integral or beloved to readers?
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna know if he is alone, or if he has someone that he comes home to at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think both are okay and interesting in their own ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he was alone, I can imagine that being kind of a commitment of his, like, I'm gonna go out in the space, that's where I live, that's where I adventure, and it's challenging sometimes to like, when you're out there doing your work, you know, in the field to have a family back home, and maybe he doesn't want that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really see him attached to anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like he has a lot of deep friendships, but never has.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the Avengers movies, there's that scene like four or five movies in where Hawkeye goes home and he's got a really pretty wife and kids at home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that would be really cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I would love to see that, but it's gonna be on a private island somewhere or some, you know, coastal North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Derek, what are your thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess I feel the same way, but not necessarily that he has someone, but I want to know what his thing is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, what I mean by that is like, what's motivating?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's what where does moral compass come from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it something that is upbringing is something that is doing currently?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say that because not to like get down or but I'm alone, but I still do I still working in climate justice and climate and work like so I don't have a family but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, you need it, family, no kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm just fighting because it's the right thing to do and some of my upbringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to know what drives him to do, do the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to do with anybody and that's fine, but so you think him, Carol, or fucking, I've been sitting over the past hour thinking about it and like, I want to hear more about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this character is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing I'm most curious about is his connection to Xavier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's some stuff that's really interesting to explore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I already shared my ideas of him like reading sci-fi as a kid and like we get to some of those moments that show him as the wide-eyed kid that dreams big, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this character could fit in in any Hulk title, in any Captain Marvel title, in any Iron Man title, and in any X-Men title.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we mentioned he could fit into Sword, he could fit into X-Men Red.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a way for him to become a more prominent and consistent character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're even just playing him off of other characters as the reasonable scientist, or even a story where he finally makes the mistake.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He falls for the wrong person, or he gets hoodwinked into something, or he trusts the wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think the science in the way it shows up and how he doesn't quite get it right always, but he always adapts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's connected to so many huge Marvel stories, again, from the Phoenix Force to the M-Cron crystal to the incursions to maximum security, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many pieces of this that
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[SPEAKER_03]: really fall in and he's one of those few guys that doesn't seem overwhelmed by magic or the stuff that's like defucking building blocks of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the mcr on crystal blinks and he's the guy that notices, he has to tell read Richards about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think there's something about him that's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also want to know what he fucking got his Nobel Peace Prizes for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They keep talking about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be great to see him just not permanently, but like do a stint in the Nova Corps, like just have him actually have super power to adventure, so he knows what that was like to be to have the power that his friends all have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not permanently, because I think he's much better as a normal human, but like just it'd be cool to see him like flying around space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Either Quarbo hanging out with Richard Ryder is really fun, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great roommate in space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's actually really fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I love the idea of him and Carol Danvers being like casual fuck buddies, sort of like Wolverine and Storm are in their way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a lot of potential for this guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's also very easy for him to get in over his head, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's so many, again, Thanos is coming to Earth, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's so many stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like this guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to decide as we're talking, but I'm really fond of this guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to hear any final thoughts that I'd have you have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you feeling?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And is there anything you want to share with listeners about climate science and what you are currently working on and most passionate about as we begin in twenty twenty five?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One final comment on Peter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am very fond of the character now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what his role is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people like that in our world are very important and play that role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think now that Daniel talk more about this too, for decades climate scientists were ignored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Peter is this opportunity to shine light on that and how the science community actually kind of can be portrayed or are manipulated not manipulated so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like their value add to the political conversation too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will also say in the cartoon, on season three, when Eric the Red,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in terms, he knows who Dr. Corboy is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know who the X-Men are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, they're so away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, in the cartoon, Dr. Corboy was more famous than the X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was interesting too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in regards to things to plug, I would just say, get involved locally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even matter if you have any interest in the environment or climate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also, there's also
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[SPEAKER_00]: Social justice is connected to climate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all we're all connected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Extractive economies, capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all cause the issues that we are all facing as in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So skin involved locally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, especially with a new federal administration personally, I've been really focusing on my local community and what I can do in the vulnerable people in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So ground yourself in that for the next four years and Dr. Peter Corboy think he really represents this incredible spirit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to know how he got involved with with Charles Xavier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like their friendship runs deep and I feel like he is a person that you know, it's called out in that moment and I think the reason he, you know, is
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[SPEAKER_01]: is doing this pushing forward, working so hard is for these friendships, even if many, many times he's just kind of this voice on a screen, it was telling his friends to look out, sometimes that's a really important role to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We live in a world that is going to be, you know, going to have its challenges going forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I take hope from the many people around me that are wonderful and constantly working to make the world a better place to make the world a more equitable place, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many people ask me, what can you do or what can I do to address climate change?
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like such a big problem and it is enormous problem and it will take all of us.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will take all of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So take it one day at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will take a long time and have conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many, many people believe that climate change is a problem and the environment is getting worse and we're feeling dealing with, you know, crises day after day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many people are feeling this stress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not many people are talking with their neighbors about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the big disconnect and the more conversations we have about climate, you know, casual conversations in your faith-based community or your cafe or your local gym.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, whatever, wherever you're spending time or space in your local comic bookstore, talk with people about climate change, spread the news that this is a problem that we are working on together and together we are going to solve it.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll address the sociology piece and then we'll sign off.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been a therapist for a long time.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm forty six years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got two teenage children.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_03]: The world population has doubled in my lifetime, which is a crazy thing to consider.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, when the pandemic hit, I was doing a lot of sessions about fatigue with people.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_03]: We have like extreme fatigue like the news moves at such a speed and it's delivered in such a way that it inspires for a while.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really the news really focused on, uh, fostering outrage in people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's really focused on inspiring fatigue in people because if we stop caring, then there's nothing to fight against.
1:02:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And the billionaires have become bigger, bigger trillionaires, you know, in the last few years.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're living in a time after the Trump election, I think a lot of people just kind of...
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_03]: gave up.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a relationship with social media and the way news is delivered and there's just kind of a general kind of hopelessness when it comes to the economy.
1:02:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Climate science feels overwhelming so it's easier just to ignore it and hope that somebody's going to fix it sometime.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is important to talk about because we're living in an era where we don't have a choice.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we have to either feel overwhelmed and learn how to handle it or we ignore it and hope it'll go away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for those of us that have got kids
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had a moment during the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My, my thirteen year old was then nine where we, there was like some sort of astrological event.
1:02:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And like we were outside looking and it was like something that happens every seven years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some comment or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The plan that's were lined up at a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my kid turned to me and was like, wow, so many crazy things have happened in my lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The earthquake, the pandemic, the, you know, they're listing these things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I never had that sense at the age of nine of like, oh, geez, the world's really stacking up on me.
1:03:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think our children are being raised in that, which is a crazy thing to consider.
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_03]: They're aware in a way that we can't put it off on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to support them and work with them in order to make this happen.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved this conversation today.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be chewing on it for a while, but I'm fond of this character.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm extremely fond of both of you.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that we get to hang out more, doing some script readings coming up.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_03]: So delightful to have you both of my life.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for hanging out this evening.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, where can people find you both online?
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything you want to plug?
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, everybody can follow the show.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Grame often under schooling on Instagram.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You can follow me.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Darje Nichols on Instagram.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I have nothing really to plug, but I'm happy to talk about comics, climate justice work.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Derek also posts lots of fun cosplay and thirst traps.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, feel free to enjoy.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am comics extracts on Instagram.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't post very often sometimes to my story, but you're welcome to reach out to me with a message there.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_01]: In case you want to talk about the X-Men, the climate change, making meaning of comic books.
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm excited to talk about.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So reach out to me there.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to shout out my step-by-step life cookies or some of my good friends in the X-Men community.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_03]: including the wonderful generally Saunders will be joining us as your wife, the wasp in our Avengers reading which will also be delightful.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm slightly terrified by how horrible a person I have to be on.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Another complicated scientist, it's going to be fun.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Truly, and this is from the bottom of my heart.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Having hung out with you both in person, you guys are just the loveliest, warmest, wonderful people.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I really truly glad to have you both in my life knowing the both of you and many people in this community has made my life better.
1:04:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can't wait to hang out again this year when we get to meet at various cons.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, welcome back to my show again and again again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love hearing from you all the time anytime.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you learned a lot and had some fun today.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We will see you back here next time on the Grey Malkin Lane Patreon channel.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_03]: and now stay tuned for some thoughts on fascism as a special guest tonight talk about a red skull story and its modern applications.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In nineteen thirty three the Nazi party began sending literature to communities in America to try to draw local support.
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[SPEAKER_03]: By nineteen thirty six the German American boond had formed a B.U.N.D.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a group task with rebranding hitters teachings under the label of true Americanism quote unquote pushing principles of pure blood and arionism by nineteen thirty nine twenty thousand people attended the boond rally at Madison Square Garden and public speeches condemned Jews and communists both but the crowd joined in the Nazi salute while calling out quote one hundred percent Americanism
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[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, a weird version of America first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's jump to nineteen sixty nine.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Captain America one fifteen through one eighteen.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_03]: John Busema is on art here along with Jean Coleman, Stan Lee's the writer.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_03]: The cosmic cube spit out of volcano and into the hands of a man who tried using it for good, but the red skull stole it for himself.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So after humiliating his allies and the exiles, he then went after Captain America, taunting the hero with his vast power, literally growing to giant size and pitching cap across the universe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sort of before trapping him in a bottle, well, you got the cosmic cube, you could mess with shit, I guess.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_03]: The red skull then took Captain America's form for, again, another time, while putting Captain America into his own body, the greatest evil disguised as the, quote, all-American value system.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_03]: While enjoying the adoration of the, quote, unthinking masses, while he was a, quote, hero, the red skull hoped that Cap would be defeated by his own allies in his own body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But instead he trapped Cap on the aisle of the exiles with the Nazi war criminals, and they attacked him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we soon meet Sam Wilson, who's out there on exile island, training a falcon for fun.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a bird named Red Wing and he's just out there kind of learned how to falcon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's discovered that the natives of the island have been forced to serve the Nazi exiles as like slaves in their own way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The lower class, you know, supporting the rich Nazi upper class.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He costumes himself in green in time and soon calls himself the Falcon and he leads an insurrection of the local tribes against the Nazi exiles organizing its own their his own uprising Captain America soon figures out.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can take the red skull mask off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can see didn't think of this before somehow and he helps train Sam Wilson the Falcon to be a new superhero even though the Falcon doesn't know he's cap it first because again, he's in their red skulls body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Red Skull ends up taking his own form back and he summons Captain America and Falcon back before him and his castle where he tells the Falcon that he is meant to be a slave and in the end the Red Skull is overwhelmed and kind of seems to melt out of existence with the cosmic cube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see him back shortly so stay tuned for next time.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me welcome my dear friend Andre Mason to the show to talk about this crazy story with me.
1:07:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Andre, hi, how are you?
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing fine.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually kind of gagging with the fact that I forgot that the cosmic cube was shot out of a volcano.
1:08:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm completely.
1:08:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I just completely forgot that part.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, yeah, so bad of a fist.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a phrase they always use.
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like just didn't make a sound when it came out.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But like what I don't remember that that's insane.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a red skull fan?
1:08:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I am actually only because I love the fact that he represents a very impure evil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very clear villain with very clear, you know, intentions that makes him a pure bad guy, one hundred percent.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It's often forgotten that he's closely attuned to the origins of San Wilson, but this is the first appearing of the Falcon.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Later we get all the crazy snapwills and stuff and the red skulls involved.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get there eventually as we keep doing these discussions.
1:08:48
[SPEAKER_03]: But what was it like for you to revisit the first appearance of San Wilson on his little thumbs?
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand why you was there.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand why they decided to drop him in the middle of the story such a missed opportunity that I think I think the later MCU versions of him does very well because of the times but it was fun to see him pop up this way.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He's in that like low-cut shirt.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was always super sledding in the sixties for everyone.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So the red skull here, where I kind of drew the comparison of the German-American boons, which is very cool-class clan kind of thought patterns.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea of America first or kind of this pure American blood, it's an uncomfortable comparison to what's happened, modern times.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We see the red skull kind of promoting this, but we also see his allies and the exiles who are drawing power through slave labor, but only until they are convinced to fight back.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So fascism is kind of the topic of the day as we're exploring this and these old stories from a modern lens,
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_03]: What were some of the highlights of this story that kind of struck you a little bit?
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said before, when you understand who red skull is, much like Dr. Doom, you kind of understand their intents.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Their intent is to take over the world by any means necessary.
1:10:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Dr. Doom has a hard red skull does not because of just the byproduct of the time.
1:10:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So the funny part is the next conversation is going to be the red skull taking over that area.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is always hysterical.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that this dialogue, which he's like, I kind of understand what's happening.
1:10:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I get this cosmic cube, it's going to be that much more better for me.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he was just like, this whole thing is going to not just only change me, but it's going to change the world.
1:10:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be in the forefront for it.
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So look again, I always believe that he was very clear in what he was.
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of times the bad guys get very muddled.
1:10:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They had his weird kind of convoluted backstory.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
1:10:38
[SPEAKER_02]: This is world domination at his finest.
1:10:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's always going to be the highlight for Redstone.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_03]: The racism is of course, you know, just dripping from there.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_03]: This kind of pure idea of whiteness as the kind of motivation for his evil, but we frame it in when we look at the modern lens of
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_03]: like we are giving something to you by putting us on top.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to turn you against immigrants in order to our own.
1:11:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And the uncomfortable part, again, we're not releasing this to later this year, but we're recording this in early June, during pride, but right around the headlines where all of the stuff in LA is happening.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_03]: We have people kind of on protest against the horrible things happening with ICE and like the military force being turned against the populist.
1:11:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a dormant
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[SPEAKER_03]: parallel, and it's so deeply uncomfortable when we're kind of stacking them up next to each other.
1:11:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Because history repeats itself.
1:11:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The history is always doing to repeat itself.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, you know, when you look at the things that are happening now, you literally can look in the history books and see that's what led to the start of the Holocaust.
1:11:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, so it's, it's actually sold, grading to see it happening in and then going back to comics and seeing how it was back in and how people addressed it.
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of wild.
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_03]: If we can't put Donald Trump and the Red Skull in the same origin story, you know, some people can.
1:11:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that he found a costume cute.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe it.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He fell or reality.
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever he fell, he found.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, I was, I was, I was just getting out of the comparison.
1:11:59
[SPEAKER_03]: The Red Skull though, you know, was like a poor orphan in Nazi Germany, who was hand selected by Hitler, right?
1:12:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Trump comes from like generational wealth.
1:12:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you saw the House of Usher on Netflix recently, the parallel of the rich guy at the end who made the deal with the double, he would always be fortunate.
1:12:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And they draw some very clear Trump parallels, like the dark things that are happening is the result of him using kind of cosmic power to grow to strength.
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_03]: That seems like another version of this, which is deeply uncomfortable as well.
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_03]: What would Donald Trump do with the cosmic cube that he hasn't already?
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the implications are all there.
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see, you can see again, all of the parallels and how conversations from the sixties are happening now and still, and it's just exhausting, and it's just incredible to behold that we're still in it.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean,
1:12:57
[SPEAKER_03]: There's also this obsession in the story with Redskull over and over again, like switching forms.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna trap Cap and hide him in the version of me with the Red Mask on, right?
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But also I'm gonna hunt his body.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna see that again, again, and again, that kind of swap is always interesting, which is very much Naziism under the guise of patriotism.
1:13:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a very weird cartoony parallel.
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just giving me kind of stink face as we realize that's like,
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just like, no, again, when you, it's not until you start putting it into these contexts that, you know, things start to kind of like bubble up, you're like, oh shit, I never really thought about it like that.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're prone to mu-change.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And then again, it's just like comic books have always been at the forefront of just storytelling.
1:13:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you get a lens like this, it shows you like this, the world and then realities and how just harkens back all the time, you're just like, how do we not see that?
1:13:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then the last parallel draw here once the red school gets the cosmic cube It's not the first or the last time But there's some really funny things first he makes himself giant look how much bigger I am than you cat and then he's awesome across the universe basically saying you're irrelevant and he could leave it there But no, he's like I want to bring it back and like make you pay by making people think you are me That's the worst thing I can do to torture you, right?
1:14:19
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to see it through my eyes.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, which again is not irrelevant that there's certain GOP representatives and hardcore mega who's only reason to live is just so you can understand them.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to see my point of view in order for us to like even have a conversation.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and we've reached a point in government where, you know, in order to succeed at all, you have to ally with the people who are openly crazy and racist, like you're only option.
1:14:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's this parallel of the, the Falcon kind of leading the uprising, right?
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's this man of color, turning a whole island of people of color, reminding them that they don't have to do things the way that they've been doing it, kind of the beauty of this story for me.
1:14:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, also the beauty of the story that somehow the red skull knew that the Falcon was not from Haiti and indeed was from Harlem.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_03]: But also the red skull when he got his cosmic power also did not do anything for his allies in fact he turned against no I'm better than all of you so just like my Trump fall out that's happening.
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely crazy.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any final thoughts my friend?
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing absolutely no final thoughts on this again.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I just
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It always just is about the world, the state of things and how we have to study history in order for not to repeat.
1:15:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's literally just what I've been noticing and just observing.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like things are just happening way too much.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've got people in common who are in LA right now who are dealing with these things.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've got some friends who are dealing with relatives who are immigrants.
1:15:48
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not necessarily legal, but at this point anything goes.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you for joining me for this.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody stay tuned.
1:15:54
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back