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Bonus Episode: My Chance Encounter With One of My Favorite Artists on the Streets of Europe · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing that
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  Speaker 1: we like to call the after party. This is the
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  Speaker 1: show after the show, the party after the party, the
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  Speaker 1: bridge to get from one full episode of Disgraceland to
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  Speaker 1: the other, the backyard, to dig into the dirt, and
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  Speaker 1: our mission is to uncover the truth, to confront the myth,
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  Speaker 1: to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, the cost
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  Speaker 1: of Art, the Great Beauty, Wendy O. Williams's tragic end,
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  Speaker 1: in your emails, comments, DMS, and as always, a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: the outsiders, the dependent thinkers who know that the best
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  Speaker 1: history is the history that gets very Disgraceland is where
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  Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All right, just goes,
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Here we are, here, we are.
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  Speaker 1: I am back behind the desk. It's been a minute. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I know you haven't missed me in the feed. I've
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  Speaker 1: been in the feed with you these last few days weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but I've been away on vacation for the better part
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  Speaker 1: of two week, like fifteen days. I've been gone everything
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  Speaker 1: that you've heard with me, with Me and Zeth and
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  Speaker 1: this Disgraceland feed in Hollywood Land, all that stuff. Everything
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  Speaker 1: has been was pre recorded so that I could go
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  Speaker 1: away and not have to record anything. Well, I'm back.
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  Speaker 1: I literally just sat down in my chair here behind
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  Speaker 1: the desk at the mic. It's been an eighteen and
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  Speaker 1: a half hour journey today from when we left the
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  Speaker 1: hotel in Munich to when we get back to our
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  Speaker 1: place here in the state, and I'm rare to go.
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  Speaker 1: I am pumped to talk to you guys. It's been
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  Speaker 1: too long. I had something profound happened to me while
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  Speaker 1: I was away just last night actually in Munich, and
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  Speaker 1: I know we got Wendy O. Williams in the feed,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you about that because
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  Speaker 1: it has everything to do with Wendy O. Williams, and
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  Speaker 1: has everything to do with what we do here in Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 1: It has to do with what you guys love. Great art,
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  Speaker 1: great music, great movies. Listen, say what you will about
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  Speaker 1: Wendy O. Williams, this week's full episode subject of Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 1: She was a fearless artist. Some might quibble with that
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  Speaker 1: word artists. Some might say that that's a term unworthy
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  Speaker 1: of Wendy O. Williams in her Shock Rock, But there
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  Speaker 1: is no doubt about it. Wendy O. Williams was a
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  Speaker 1: driven artist. She was compelled to create in an effort
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  Speaker 1: to express herself. And when she couldn't do that anymore,
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  Speaker 1: when that option was no longer available to her, she
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  Speaker 1: ceased to exist. She ended her life. It's an extremely
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  Speaker 1: sad ending. Life is delicate. Art is also delicate. Even
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll played with chainsaws and exploding cadillacs is delicate.
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  Speaker 1: Making something truly great is a delicate balance of expression
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  Speaker 1: of bravery and vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in Central Europe on vacation with my family
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  Speaker 1: for the past few weeks, Like I said, and I
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  Speaker 1: was surrounded by some of the most beautiful and awe
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  Speaker 1: inspiring architecture that I've ever seen. Giant buildings, churches, cathedral statues,
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  Speaker 1: monuments to saints, to royals, to God. Man made epic
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  Speaker 1: creations that literally stop me in my tracks and make
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  Speaker 1: me marvel at the beauty humans are capable of creating.
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  Speaker 1: And it forced this idea into my head over the
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  Speaker 1: past week. Art, true art, great art is delicate. I've
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  Speaker 1: been walking around Munich and Vienna and Budapest and thinking
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  Speaker 1: about this idea, and going to bed at night and
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  Speaker 1: dreaming about this idea. I know that sounds pretentious, but
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  Speaker 1: that's the actual truth. I've been ruminating on this. I've
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  Speaker 1: been watching films, I've been listening to music, reading books
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  Speaker 1: and looking at architecture and taking it all in through
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  Speaker 1: the lens of this idea. That art is delicate. Now,
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  Speaker 1: not everything an artist sets out to create achieve the
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  Speaker 1: same intended effect. Some art is off balance, some songs
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  Speaker 1: don't sing, some albums don't hit their mark, some stories
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  Speaker 1: don't resonate. But sometimes everything works as it was intended
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  Speaker 1: or unintended, and the creation transcends, and if the artist
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  Speaker 1: is really lucky, their creation will find an audience. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy O. Williams was not this type of artist, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that her aspirations were that of
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  Speaker 1: a traditional artist anyway, But regardless, she wasn't afforded the
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  Speaker 1: life other artists are afforded, and her end was, as
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  Speaker 1: we know, tragic. Now. All this has been swimming around
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  Speaker 1: my head the last few days while I've been in Munich,
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic city again, with big, bold, dynamic architecture that,
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  Speaker 1: at least in Old Town where I was staying, seems
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  Speaker 1: to just grab you by the shirt collar and shake
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  Speaker 1: you alive. I recently watched the Pallo Sorrentino film One
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  Speaker 1: Man Up. Okay, but a week before I left on vacation,
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  Speaker 1: Sorrentino made the HBO series The Young Pope, as well
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  Speaker 1: as the Academy Award winning film The Great Beauty. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I rewatched The Great Beauty a couple days before I
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  Speaker 1: left for vacation after I saw One Man Up. Tony
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  Speaker 1: Servillo is the Italian actor who stars in both The
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  Speaker 1: Great Beauty and in One Man Up. One Man Up
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  Speaker 1: is about what else, a disgraced musician and a soccer player.
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  Speaker 1: It has a surprising Wendy O Williams outcome. And The
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  Speaker 1: Great Beauty Again, also starring Tony Servillo, is about a
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  Speaker 1: writer whose greatest work is completed at a young age,
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  Speaker 1: and who struggles with his fabulous life after this great
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  Speaker 1: early achievement. He has all this success, he has a
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  Speaker 1: fabulous life, but he's he's he's got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other stuff going on. He's unhappy. The delicate nature of art,
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  Speaker 1: the vulnerability of personal expression. These are the themes of
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  Speaker 1: both of these films. I watched these films. I went
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  Speaker 1: to Europe, something about Europe. It wouldn't let me forget
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  Speaker 1: these movies. Okay, two European movies I've been constantly reminded
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  Speaker 1: of during this trip. Two films starring, as I said
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  Speaker 1: Tony Servillo on our last night in Munich, last night,
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  Speaker 1: this past Monday, June twenty ninth, we're walking back to
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  Speaker 1: our hotel after dinner, beer, sausage, venus Schitzel, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and this like, it's just picturesque. Just imagine church bells tolling,
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  Speaker 1: couples sitting out side, and cafes you know, they're all smoking,
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  Speaker 1: that the bars are starting to spill out, getting packed,
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  Speaker 1: the beer gardens all that. We're walking back to our hotel.
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  Speaker 1: It's lightly raining. You can literally smell incense in the
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  Speaker 1: street from the Catholic church that's right there. We turned
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  Speaker 1: the corner toward our hotel and as we do, right
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  Speaker 1: there on the street on the sidewalk that we're walking on,
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  Speaker 1: I lock eyes with an older, handsome man. And when
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  Speaker 1: I say lock eyes, I mean lock eyes from the
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  Speaker 1: instant we saw each other. Boom He was maybe ten
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  Speaker 1: feet away at that moment, and we stared at each
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  Speaker 1: other the entire time. He approached me, and I approached him,
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  Speaker 1: and we kept staring at each other until we passed
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  Speaker 1: one another on the street, like shoulder to shoulder. Now
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't look away because I recognize this dude in
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  Speaker 1: his eyes. He didn't recognize me, but he must have
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  Speaker 1: been taken aback, confronted by the fact that I was
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  Speaker 1: just so fucking locked in. And it was only a
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  Speaker 1: second or two after we passed each other that I
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  Speaker 1: realized whose eyes I was looking into. From the great
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  Speaker 1: beauty from one man up, the man himself, the star
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  Speaker 1: of both of those Polo Sorrentino films, the leading man,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Survilla. I didn't recognize the actor at first. Again,
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  Speaker 1: the actor in this fucking movie, these two movies that
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  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about, and the themes of these movies
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  Speaker 1: for the past two weeks. This sounds too It sounds
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  Speaker 1: too synchronous. It's like too much synchronosity, the grateful they
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  Speaker 1: called synchronicity. It's I know, it sounds like I'm making
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  Speaker 1: this up, like I'm building this up and I'm making up.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not. You can. You can google this shit. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I passed this guy and I'm like, oh fuck
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  Speaker 1: that that's that's in my head, that's what's happening. And
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  Speaker 1: I immediately but it didn't look like him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like him enough, but it didn't really look
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  Speaker 1: like him. And then I have the thought, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh shit, I know him from a movie that came
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  Speaker 1: out in like twenty thirteen, and the other one came
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  Speaker 1: out in like two thousand and nine or something. So
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  Speaker 1: I immediately google searched Tony Servillo twenty twenty six as
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling my wife what's going on, and he the
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  Speaker 1: image that pops up from late twenty twenty five is
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  Speaker 1: the man I was just looking at, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: He looks much older now. He's sixty eight years old.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's like early fifties. In The Great Beauty,
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  Speaker 1: Great Beauty an Oscar winning Best Picture for a Foreign Film,
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  Speaker 1: Foreign Language Film, Excuse Me, where Tony Servillo plays Jep Gambadella.
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  Speaker 1: That's the character. But again, he looks much older now. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So then I google I'm like, well, wait, maybe I'm crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just like I'm just like project because I'm
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  Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, like I've been thinking about this fucking guy.
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  Speaker 1: How wild is this? So then I'm like, well, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm my head's going and putting these things
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  Speaker 1: together when it's not so. Then I google Tony Sevilla Munich. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out he's in town being honored at the Munich
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  Speaker 1: International Film Festival with the Scene Merit Award. And it
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  Speaker 1: was that night, June twenty ninth, Monday night. The dude
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  Speaker 1: was probably on his way to the event when I
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  Speaker 1: saw him. Okay, totally strange me in a foreign country
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  Speaker 1: walking around, traveling and reflecting, doing the type of reflecting
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  Speaker 1: you guys know. You know what happens when you travel,
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  Speaker 1: you have time away from work or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you start to reflect on things in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we do it. That's why we need vacations.
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  Speaker 1: We need to reset. And I'm doing that very thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of this man's films and the themes
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  Speaker 1: of these films, what they represent, especially because they're very
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  Speaker 1: much these themes are very much in conversation with the
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  Speaker 1: Wendy O Williams episode that we released to you this
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  Speaker 1: week and Bam, I come face to face with the
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  Speaker 1: actor in these movies, the very same actor, this artist,
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  Speaker 1: this artist whose art was being celebrated that night. I
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  Speaker 1: took it as a sign, a sign to keep going,
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  Speaker 1: to keep making, to keep creating, to keep putting things
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  Speaker 1: into the world, to keep searching for inspiration, to keep
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  Speaker 1: looking beyond the despair and the grind to find that beauty,
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  Speaker 1: and to hopefully find a way to put more beauty
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  Speaker 1: into the world through art, through conversation, through storytelling. But
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  Speaker 1: great art, great beauty is delicate. Sometimes a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times artists miss the hits. You know them when you
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  Speaker 1: make them. They feel different, But not everyone feels the
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  Speaker 1: way you want them to feel about your art. Wendy O.
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  Speaker 1: Williams couldn't reconcile this. Not only is art delicate, but artists,
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  Speaker 1: as Wendy O. Williams tragically illustrates, artists are also delicate.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm taking my chance encounter with the great actor
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  Speaker 1: Tony Servilla, the great artist, the great beauty himself, as
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  Speaker 1: not only a sign, but as a reminder, a prompt
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  Speaker 1: to use the parlance of our times to celebrate not
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  Speaker 1: only the great and delicate art that makes life tolerable,
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  Speaker 1: but also the delicate artists who make it so. If
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this today, tell an artist you love
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  Speaker 1: how much you appreciate them, reach out to them on
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  Speaker 1: social media, write them a letter, go to their shows,
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  Speaker 1: buy their records, read their books, pass their myths on
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  Speaker 1: to future generations. All right, we owe that to Wendy
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  Speaker 1: O Williams, and Tony Servillo is reminding us of that.
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  Speaker 1: In the spirit of this conversation that we're having right now,
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  Speaker 1: Zeth and I are going to give you a deeper
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  Speaker 1: dive into the two Tony Servilla films that I discussed
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  Speaker 1: here in this monologue, The Oscar Winning The Great Beauty
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  Speaker 1: and the very disgrace Landy One Man Up, which is
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  Speaker 1: also a soccer film and very relevant to the World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: Of it All that that's happening, Okay. Both films, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, are directed by Paulo Sorrentino, the creator of
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  Speaker 1: HBO's Young Pope. Both films are a plus, and I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about them with Zeth. You want
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  Speaker 1: Williams in the feed this week, I'm talking to you
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  Speaker 1: in the after party right now. Coming up this weekend
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  Speaker 1: a rewind episode on Lana del Rey and next week
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  Speaker 1: another brand spank and news story on the death of
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  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison in the Mysterious Count Jean de Brettoi. Jim's
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  Speaker 1: death is not what we were told it was. People.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the death authority said it was, and it
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  Speaker 1: is the death that the conspiracy theorist say it is.
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  Speaker 1: Either it is something else. And if you want to
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  Speaker 1: understand how Jim Morrison actually died, you need to listen
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  Speaker 1: to this episode and when you are when I lay
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  Speaker 1: out these different theories, when you're listening and you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: me explain the facts. After you listen, call me six
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  Speaker 1: let me know what you think. Let me know how
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  Speaker 1: you think Jim Morrison actually died. All right? Does the
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories seem credible? Or does the theory that I
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  Speaker 1: lay out make the most sense? Six one seven, nine
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  Speaker 1: back in the flash with your voicemails, texts, emails, DMS
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  Speaker 1: and more. All right, guys, we are back. You know
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  Speaker 1: where I'm Adam and the phone booth. It's the one
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  Speaker 1: across the hall. I'm hanging in the telephone with y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven, nine oh six sixty six three eight
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Hewing begins a calling from the
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  Speaker 2: four one two in Pittsburgh, and I wanted to tell
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  Speaker 2: you about the album covered that I was obsessed with
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  Speaker 2: in my younger days, Big Brother in the Holding Company's
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  Speaker 2: Cheap Thrilled album. Those mysterious cartoons from Robert Crumb, the
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  Speaker 2: cartoon illustrations, especially jenis Joplin see her tombles Man. It
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  Speaker 2: would be another decade before I got my hands on
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  Speaker 2: Crumb's notorious Fritz to Tat Cartoons and the songs on
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  Speaker 2: that record. My college friend Dee was obsessed with Jennis
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  Speaker 2: at the time, and with long on the floor listening
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  Speaker 2: to Janice ripping out her soul on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 2: I still get to chills when I hear Ball and Chain,
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  Speaker 2: rock and roller Man.
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  Speaker 1: Heather, the Heather in Pittsburgh, Go Pirates, rock a rolla Listen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: R Crumb, did you see the Art Crumb movie? Pretty amazing?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the artwork is amazing as well on that
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  Speaker 1: album Cheap Thrills. Sonic Use Goo kicked off this conversation
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  Speaker 1: about album art. Let's check out this text from the
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  Speaker 1: three one seven Yo. It's flow from the three one
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  Speaker 1: seven Just want to say I totally dug the Sonic
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  Speaker 1: Youth episode and the breakdown in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: episode is fucking rad. Sonic Use Goo was shown to
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  Speaker 1: me via a skateboard video by Toy Machine called Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Hell. I was nine years old. I wanted eskate
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  Speaker 1: curbs and the Sonoran Desert and pretend to be ed Templeton,
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  Speaker 1: So I ripped the album off of Napster and blasted
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  Speaker 1: and on my JVC kaboom box and shot Coca Cola's
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  Speaker 1: in the unfettered heat. Side note not to always bring
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  Speaker 1: knew that about that song, but not until last couple
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  Speaker 1: for years, sort of the s obsession I have with
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  Speaker 1: murder ballads. I think Zeth hit me to that tune float.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for the text. Excited you like that episode?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm excited that Sonic use Goo compelled you and
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  Speaker 1: further deeper into the subculture. I love that nine seven
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  Speaker 1: eight rights And Hey, Jake, just wanted to say, I
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  Speaker 1: really liked your cover of Losing My Edge by LCD
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  Speaker 1: sound System on the pod the other day. That was
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  Speaker 1: pretty rad. That's you know. Someone that hit me up
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram about that and they called it a cover
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  Speaker 1: as well. And I didn't think about it as a cover.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I don't. Honestly, I didn't think about it
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  Speaker 1: as music. I just thought about it as this thing
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  Speaker 1: we did with with podcasting. But I get it. It's
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  Speaker 1: covers weird because we changed all the words, made it
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  Speaker 1: fit the LCD sound system thing. It's more like as
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  Speaker 1: if it's music, it's more like weird. Al you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But whatever it is, I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: liked it. Nine seventy Thanks for letting you know. I
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate it different nine seven eight Rights said, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: great episode on Jeff Buckley. I miss him every day.
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  Speaker 1: Hope you're well. Ryan Hastings, Oh my god, it's skinner.
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  Speaker 1: I know skinner, Ryan Hastings. How are you, buddy? Been
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  Speaker 1: a long time? Thanks for uh, thanks for letting us
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  Speaker 1: know you're you're into Jeff. We miss them too, man,
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody does talk about an artists. It went
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  Speaker 1: way too soon, and I was actually reminded of Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Buckley when I was in Munich looking at that river
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  Speaker 1: flying through the city. Four to three seven, Rights saying, Hey, Jake,
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  Speaker 1: we get a Clive Davis episode and a George Michael
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  Speaker 1: episode as well. Well. Listen four three seven, Yes and
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  Speaker 1: yes you can get a Clive Davis episode. I already
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  Speaker 1: have it in the plant. I had it in the
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  Speaker 1: plans before he died. Rip and George Michael, we have
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  Speaker 1: a Georgie Michael episode. So there you go. We're good.
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  Speaker 1: school's out. You got kids, You know exactly what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about. But it being schools out season, we can't
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  Speaker 1: talk about school being out without talking about Dazed and Confused,
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest rock and roll movies of all time. Yes,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: but quite possibly the greatest schools out movie of all time.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And Zeth and I hit this pretty hard, and this
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  Speaker 1: film should be played loud. In that episode we did
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  Speaker 1: of our favorite movies. This film should be played loud.
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  Speaker 1: Every month we talk about one movie and this amazing
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  Speaker 1: music behind that movie, the music that makes these movies
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  Speaker 1: chug along makes us love them even more than we
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  Speaker 1: possibly ever could. Okay, great soundtracks, great needle drops, all
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  Speaker 1: that this film should be played loud, Matt, give them
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  Speaker 1: a little taste what we get going in the Daiz
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  Speaker 1: and Confused episode.
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  Speaker 3: The seventies gets all the love for I mean rightfully
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: so for sort of like fucking up the movie system,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the studio system. But the nineties, dude, like shook it
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  Speaker 3: up pretty hard.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a version of it that happened
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, and nineties are a close second in
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: best filmmaking decade of all time to the nineteen seventies,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like yeah, without a doubt, totally. And there's a weird
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: cosmic thing between those two decades too, because there was
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: an absolute renaissance of the seventies in the nineteen nineties,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and it is really bizarre because they're not that far apart,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like we're going through a nineties renaissance right now, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: fucking forty thirty years later or whatever it is. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that was like like when this this is set in
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. I was in high school. Twelve years later.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: My high school looked exactly like the high school oh
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that film that I don't want to burn it all now,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But there are so many similarities, and I don't really
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if younger people get how big the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: seventies were in the nineties. That's like John Travolta in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: pulp fiction. That's why that mattered because he was a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: seventies thing, and there were all these other pieces of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: nineties culture that were trading on seventies that you mentioned.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: The Beastie Boys totally goofing on seventies to There's a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: gazillion other examples we can get to. So it's they're
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they're really related in my mind. And the weird thing
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: is I hated the seventies so much growing up. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: thought it was so fucking lame, everything about it, everything
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: about it. And again, like time moved slower than so
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like when I was in high school, all the older
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the teto dudes who taught like they still dressed like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: they were in the seventies, it was all so fucking
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: old and lame to me. But it was also like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this renaissance thing. It's really bizarre. It is totally bizarre.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: It is totally bizarre. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of the characters in
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: this movie the character tropes that were like seventies eerotropes
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: where they existed in the nineties. I feel like every
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: person in this movie, I could give you an example
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  Speaker 3: of that person in my high school in the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, And it doesn't it almost it
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: feels like it feels like my high school. So much
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of this, yeah, totally, from the characters to the style,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the cars, all of it. I mean, the only weird
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: thing is like all these cars. I know, all these cars.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: This is like the big one of the biggest car
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: porn movies out there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Oh man, there was Yeah, I wanted to talk to
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: you about this for sure.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Oh god, there's so much. There's a scene where they're
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in the parking lot in the beginning and they're showing
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: like they're they're focused on all the cool muscle cars
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that these kids drive, and then the cars in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: background are kind of like older sixties and fifties, like
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you'll see like a Buick with the big fins, like
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: have that shit around, that that stuff was aged out right,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but there were still so many seventies cars around, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that was a bit I've we talked about this on
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Wrap party the other day that that was a big
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  Speaker 1: part of my youth. Yeah, so I don't know, man,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and the style too, Like Slater looks like he fell
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: out of a fucking blind Melon video, you know what
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's wearing that baggy T shirt and baggy jeans,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and even even Jason London is just like, like, that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: how I dressed. I'm dressed like that right now. I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: literally wearing five O ones jeans. I noticed that fucking
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Dawn is wearing a luke Ezy belt and he's got
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like a like a like a buttoned down shirt, Like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: we still dress like that.
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  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I think I think the seventies felt so far in
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the past to us at that moment. But I mean,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: this movie came out in ninety three and it's set
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: in seventy six. That's not even twenty years apart. It
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: felt so far in the past, and I think this
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: just goes to show that how much of the seventies
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: was still left over by the time the eighties roll
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and the nineties rolled around it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: We just didn't really even know it. All right, that's
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• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Carrey writes saying, Hey, Widow's Bay, it's obviously supposed to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: be Maine due to the Stephen King font. Well, you know, Jason,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is it Maine? It's a strong case for Maine. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: get it. We should ask the maners if Widow's Bay.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: We should ask Matt Bowden, Jason, you from Maine, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we should ask Eth as well. I don't know. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: feel like it could be off the coast of Massachusetts,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: but then I feel like, you know, we already there.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: They does a lot of Martha's Vineyard talk, so probably not.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're paying homage definitely to Stephen King
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: with the font. You're right about that, but I feel
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like they're paying homage to a lot of great eighties horror.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: The music doesn't strike me as particularly Stephen King. I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: can't tell what they're working on there by the way
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the music in the Cape Fear remake, I know it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just the original music, but it's so good. It's so great.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's the original music. It feels like it. Anyways,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I have watched the end of Widow's Bay because I've
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: been traveling and I kind of let go of watching
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is Cape Fear. And Jason, I appreciate your email here
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: because you reminded me to watch both of them. Pete
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: our Rights in Hey, you should do another episode on
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I don't like Mondays. The new info from the Brenda
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: biography is wild. We never did an episode on it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like Mondays or the Boomtown Rats, but it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: going on the list. Thanks Pete, appreciate you. Jay Hangham
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  Speaker 1: Rights and Hey, Jake. A quick one from Blackpool, a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: wee town in the UK which in the first week
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of August holds a punk festival. It's called Rebellion. It's amazing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's been going on for thirty years, so with it
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: also being fifty years of punk rock too. This year
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: will be huge. It's a pub across the road from
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: our tattoo studio which is hosting forty bands in four days,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and many other fringe gigs happening over the week. My
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: husband and I have been official tattoos for the Will
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  Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen, and the music, the people and the
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  Speaker 1: punk ethos influenced our daughter since she was seven and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: has made her into the kick ass kid that she
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is today at eighteen. Anyways, fancy a trip to Blackpool
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in August? We've got a cool tower. Love the show, Joanna.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the invite, Joanna, I don't think I can
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: make it back over to the UK, back over to Europe,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I should say in August, but I appreciate that sounds.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I love hearing the punk rock has influenced the youth
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in positive ways. Appreciate the email, Joanne. I hope you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: have a great festival. Send some picks. This one comes
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: from Jonathan Epstein Double Loves Team. Hey, it's your old
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  Speaker 1: pal Jonathan from the six to one zero. I'm a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: disco and I'm a fan for a few years and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a Patriot member since the beginning, and I'm digging
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the rap party and all the extra after party content.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But I had a request for you, guys. I'm usually
• 26:47
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• 26:50
  Speaker 1: when listening to Disgrace Land and love hearing the hot
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  Speaker 1: takes between Zeth and Jake. However, there are times when
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  Speaker 1: you talk about recommendations and Zeth will say, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: movie is amazing. I can't believe you haven't heard the
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  Speaker 1: cover blah blah blah. And you go back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: and that'll take you to somewhere else, like the heist
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: films and the songs covers and the album covers and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the cover songs. And here's my ask, the show notes,
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  Speaker 1: can you please put links to these things so I
• 27:14
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• 27:19
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• 27:28
  Speaker 1: old pal Jonathan in the six' one, Oh Jonathan, this
• 27:31
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  Speaker 1: don't know about the show notes. Perhaps we do something
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in Patreon, uh putting on the links in the show notes.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: It's there's already a lot of links and that has
• 27:42
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• 27:45
  Speaker 1: sort of ancillary documentation. I hear you. It's a lot.
• 27:49
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• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of death, if you believe what the conspiracy theorists have
• 28:08
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• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that came up about twenty years ago, and what you
• 28:14
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• 28:17
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  Speaker 1: six one seven nine, six six sixty three. I'm excited
• 28:23
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  Speaker 1: the meantime, we're gonna recap all right. Number one, Wendy O.
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  Speaker 1: Williams is available in your feed for you right now.
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  Speaker 1: Number two are rewind Slot coming up this week, and
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  Speaker 1: we get Lana del Rey next week. We have Jim
• 29:31
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  Speaker 1: make sure you are subscribed, and I give you my
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: music recommendations in the wrap party every week. I forgot
• 29:42
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. Your voice keeps
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  Speaker 1: keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's
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  Speaker 1: isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: And no one cares about music, books, records in the
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  Speaker 1: crime and grime that ties them all together like you do.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And well that's a disgrace, all right. Back on April sixth,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, Wendy O. Williams tragically met her end.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And here's what America was listening to on that day,
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  Speaker 1: according to the Billboard Charts. Number one All My Life
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  Speaker 1: Casey and Jojo last week fifteen peak position one weeks
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  Speaker 1: on chart two. Number two Frozen Madonna last week five
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  Speaker 4: Last three four number three physician Nice and Slow last
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  Speaker 4: peak last number three My Heart go On Selene dr
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