Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Nicole Curtis Speaks On 'Rehab Addict' Cancellation, Receiving Donkey Of The Day & Backlash Over Racial Slur + More
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Every day.
- 0:03Speaker 2: Up the Breakfast Club. I'm finished for y'all. Dune morning.
- 0:07Speaker 3: Everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy
- 0:10Speaker 3: we are the breakfast club.
- 0:12Speaker 2: Lawn.
- 0:12Speaker 3: La Rosa is here as well. We got a special
- 0:15Speaker 3: guest in the building. You know her from HGT TV,
- 0:18Speaker 3: rehab Attic or AGTV. I should say, ladies and gentlemen,
- 0:21Speaker 3: Nicole Curtis, welcome.
- 0:23Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, Good morning.
- 0:25Speaker 2: Who Nicole is?
- 0:26Speaker 5: I'm about to a lot of people may have known
- 0:28Speaker 5: the cole, but then they may not know the call,
- 0:29Speaker 5: but they may have just learned in the coll.
- 0:32Speaker 3: Yes, Nicole, of course she's on rehab Attic. She's the
- 0:35Speaker 3: best selling author New York Times best selling author. But
- 0:37Speaker 3: recently she went viral, not for anything good. She was
- 0:41Speaker 3: actually doing some work in a home and I guess
- 0:44Speaker 3: something happened and all you hear is somebody blurred out
- 0:47Speaker 3: fart nigger. You heard Nicole blurred out fart nigger, And
- 0:50Speaker 3: Charlomagne gave a donkey today, Yes, and she went viral
- 0:53Speaker 3: for it, and because of that she lost her show
- 0:55Speaker 3: and her host of other things. And you're here today
- 0:58Speaker 3: to talk about that.
- 0:59Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is a fart nigger.
- 1:02Speaker 6: You know, I have no idea. I have no idea.
- 1:07Speaker 6: It's it's that that isn't anything that I've ever said before,
- 1:12Speaker 6: and so I don't have any idea. You know, that's it.
- 1:17Speaker 7: Would you say, and it's a black person with gas?
- 1:20Speaker 2: Could it be?
- 1:21Speaker 4: No?
- 1:21Speaker 7: I mean, listen, it is.
- 1:23Speaker 3: It is.
- 1:24Speaker 6: I heard your show on it and you guys had
- 1:27Speaker 6: a great time on it, and and that's all fine.
- 1:29Speaker 6: You know, I've I've been a female in construction for
- 1:32Speaker 6: almost thirty years. I think I'm the oldest here. I'm
- 1:35Speaker 6: older than all of you guys. I'm forty nine, oh
- 1:39Speaker 6: right behind you.
- 1:40Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still older though, you know.
- 1:42Speaker 6: And I've I'm a mom, so I've got kids, right,
- 1:45Speaker 6: So I've been I've I get made fun of a lot,
- 1:48Speaker 6: you know, and I get roasted. I've work on a
- 1:51Speaker 6: crew with like my best friends from elementary school, junior.
- 1:54Speaker 7: High, high school. Best friends are my best friends black.
- 1:58Speaker 6: I have some I don't even see. This is the
- 2:02Speaker 6: thing because as soon as I say anything like that,
- 2:04Speaker 6: then somebody says, oh, she came out used her best
- 2:07Speaker 6: friend as a black thing.
- 2:08Speaker 7: Correct, right?
- 2:10Speaker 4: And I say that I live in Detroit, right.
- 2:13Speaker 6: So so I have I have. I have friends of
- 2:18Speaker 6: every nationality, every background.
- 2:20Speaker 7: I always have.
- 2:22Speaker 6: But it's I can't say anything right right now. Anything
- 2:25Speaker 6: I say makes some person somewhere angry, right.
- 2:29Speaker 7: If you know what I mean?
- 2:33Speaker 6: Well, I definitely do, and I don't. I don't want
- 2:35Speaker 6: to get them out.
- 2:36Speaker 7: But I'm saying.
- 2:36Speaker 6: Then people say like, oh, here she comes, she's going
- 2:39Speaker 6: to come out now has happened?
- 2:41Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think that the main thing
- 2:43Speaker 3: is is.
- 2:45Speaker 2: What are your best friends that are black?
- 2:47Speaker 7: Names? My god?
- 2:48Speaker 6: Okay, okay, okay, So Danielle, Danielle's part of our crew.
- 2:54Speaker 6: I have, Elizabeth, I have, I have so I live
- 2:58Speaker 6: right in Detroit, right.
- 3:00Speaker 7: So do you want me just go down and name?
- 3:03Speaker 5: Yeah?
- 3:03Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 3:04Speaker 6: So I'm just saying, and that's the that's the thing,
- 3:08Speaker 6: you know, is that you know, when this all happened,
- 3:12Speaker 6: I asked all of my friends, all of my family,
- 3:14Speaker 6: all of my crew to take a step back, right
- 3:17Speaker 6: because everyone wanted to come out right away and be
- 3:19Speaker 6: like whoa, this isn't.
- 3:21Speaker 7: This isn't who she is? This, who isn't who she's about?
- 3:23Speaker 6: And I asked them not to on purpose because I
- 3:27Speaker 6: didn't want them get to get caught up in my
- 3:29Speaker 6: shit to be honest, right because I'm I'm in this
- 3:33Speaker 6: weird like here's me in the middle right now, right,
- 3:36Speaker 6: and I have people over here coming at me, have
- 3:39Speaker 6: people coming here over me, and then these two groups
- 3:41Speaker 6: are coming like this, you know, like I don't.
- 3:45Speaker 4: Know, Like when I was a kid growing up, we
- 3:46Speaker 4: didn't fly anywhere.
- 3:47Speaker 6: We were in the back of a car going on
- 3:49Speaker 6: road trips everywhere. But then you fight with your siblings.
- 3:52Speaker 6: Well that's how I am right now, where I have
- 3:54Speaker 6: like groups of people who have never met me, who
- 3:58Speaker 6: haven't watched my show, I know nothing about me, judging
- 4:02Speaker 6: me or defending me or just seeing all.
- 4:05Speaker 7: This weird stuff about me.
- 4:06Speaker 6: And I'm like, okay, what you know?
- 4:09Speaker 4: What do I do at that point?
- 4:11Speaker 1: What do the people who knew you before this viral moment,
- 4:14Speaker 1: who have met you, who have watched your shows, your
- 4:16Speaker 1: black friends like that community? Ye, what did they say
- 4:18Speaker 1: to you about the use of the word.
- 4:20Speaker 6: Oh, They were just like like we know you, Like,
- 4:23Speaker 6: this isn't this isn't something you say, This isn't something
- 4:26Speaker 6: you use or anything. Now they do know me, which
- 4:30Speaker 6: means they know that I run a million miles an hour. Right,
- 4:33Speaker 6: I'm a mom. I got two boys. I fly cross
- 4:35Speaker 6: country like once or twice a week. I shoot a show,
- 4:39Speaker 6: I produce a show. I build houses, I design houses.
- 4:41Speaker 6: Bottom line is I'm a mom. I talk fast, I'm
- 4:45Speaker 6: on the go like this, and like all of you, right,
- 4:48Speaker 6: I didn't get handed my show. I didn't get handed it.
- 4:51Speaker 6: I didn't. I wasn't an overnight success, you know, Like
- 4:54Speaker 6: I grew up in a family where I learned to work,
- 4:58Speaker 6: and in my twenties I became a mom. At twenty one.
- 5:01Speaker 6: I cleaned houses. I did add jobs on Craigslist when
- 5:05Speaker 6: Craigslist was still a thing.
- 5:06Speaker 4: I don't think it is anymore.
- 5:08Speaker 3: Not really, you know, but that's that's all wonderful. But
- 5:10Speaker 3: the term, yeah, fart nigga, right, it just we just
- 5:14Speaker 3: never heard that term before. So it was just like
- 5:16Speaker 3: I was just trying to figure out, like is that
- 5:18Speaker 3: something you said? If that's a fart nig Like, where
- 5:20Speaker 3: did that term come from? Have you ever said it?
- 5:22Speaker 3: Have you ever heard it?
- 5:23Speaker 6: No?
- 5:23Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't.
- 5:24Speaker 6: And and when you I think you brought up and
- 5:27Speaker 6: you said that, you actually looked it up and it
- 5:28Speaker 6: wasn't work. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I did it,
- 5:33Speaker 6: you know, And that is something that over the years,
- 5:37Speaker 6: and this is like if if my shows were well,
- 5:40Speaker 6: you can still find my shows. I don't think they've
- 5:42Speaker 6: wiped them off completely of the universe, but if you
- 5:45Speaker 6: watch them, I have said, because years ago now I
- 5:49Speaker 6: started on TV in twenty ten, right, so we couldn't
- 5:55Speaker 6: we couldn't swear if we said and I say the
- 5:57Speaker 6: effort a lot, Okay, I say lot, I say it
- 6:01Speaker 6: too much? No, I say fuck, Like that's what I say.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So you ever use the N word
- 6:07Speaker 1: without the fart?
- 6:08Speaker 7: Absolutely not, absolutely not.
- 6:11Speaker 6: And that's where the people that know me, have known
- 6:13Speaker 6: me for years, have worked with me, were like, you know,
- 6:17Speaker 6: like that's just that's and and again I have been
- 6:20Speaker 6: on TV. I've been in the industry almost thirty years, right,
- 6:23Speaker 6: so you know how it is. If if that's something,
- 6:27Speaker 6: if that's how you're known to be or something like that,
- 6:30Speaker 6: there's already stories out there about it, you know. And
- 6:32Speaker 6: I've said, like, find someone who's ever heard me use
- 6:35Speaker 6: that word, be in that context or have that type
- 6:38Speaker 6: of mindset, and you won't like you were you.
- 6:41Speaker 2: At the BAPTO Awards recently.
- 6:44Speaker 6: No, I did see that though, yes, yes, no, I
- 6:47Speaker 6: wasn't there.
- 6:47Speaker 3: And the next thing is, so you know, of course
- 6:50Speaker 3: people all the time say things that we say, edit
- 6:52Speaker 3: that out right, right, you said edited out? You asked
- 6:55Speaker 3: about it. So how did it leak if it's your
- 6:58Speaker 3: your show, yes and all that, how did your audio
- 7:02Speaker 3: leak like.
- 7:03Speaker 2: It just came out like fart? I just slipped up.
- 7:06Speaker 6: Well, he's asking about how it leaked, right, Okay, all right,
- 7:09Speaker 6: So you guys are all producers in here, right, Yeah,
- 7:12Speaker 6: I know that. I mean, you guys have all worked
- 7:14Speaker 6: your asses off and you're here. So I had to
- 7:17Speaker 6: work for years to get to be a producer. And
- 7:20Speaker 6: as soon as I did that, I wanted control over
- 7:22Speaker 6: my own show and everything and what I've done for years.
- 7:25Speaker 6: So number one, I'm a mom and I'm a builder. Okay,
- 7:28Speaker 6: so I work on old houses. That's all I do.
- 7:31Speaker 6: I fight cities. I fight gentrification. I don't want our
- 7:34Speaker 6: cities looking all modern and moving out the lifers.
- 7:38Speaker 4: Right.
- 7:40Speaker 6: So with that being said, I wanted control of my show.
- 7:43Speaker 6: So I finally get out of contract. I don't know
- 7:46Speaker 6: how you guys were with your first contracts. I was
- 7:48Speaker 6: under a contract forever, like I couldn't do anything without
- 7:52Speaker 6: getting the good graces. I had to turn down jobs,
- 7:54Speaker 6: everything else. So I got out of contract I think
- 7:58Speaker 6: five years ago, six years ago, right, But I kept
- 8:00Speaker 6: filming because I'm like, I'm gonna do something with this, right,
- 8:03Speaker 6: I'm gonna come out on my own, and I'm going
- 8:05Speaker 6: to I'm gonna make this into what I want and
- 8:09Speaker 6: what I always wanted to do is shoot real raw,
- 8:12Speaker 6: documentary style. When you see my show on any kind
- 8:15Speaker 6: of platform on ACTV, we do have to edit it.
- 8:18Speaker 6: We do have to like like dumb it down, and
- 8:21Speaker 6: I show up before and after when I'm still in
- 8:23Speaker 6: the middle of construction, right, So I'm like, I'm gonna
- 8:24Speaker 6: shoot this raw. So what I was doing, what I've
- 8:27Speaker 6: always done, is I shoot all my own material. So
- 8:30Speaker 6: I was shooting in my own house, my own cameras,
- 8:33Speaker 6: like this would be if I was producing the show
- 8:35Speaker 6: right now. And this gentleman here's shooting. He can't walk
- 8:38Speaker 6: out of here with my media, right, he can't Like
- 8:41Speaker 6: it's mine, I'm gonna take that or I'm gonna load
- 8:44Speaker 6: it up. I'm gonna take it home, put it in
- 8:45Speaker 6: my drive. It goes in my safe right, so there
- 8:48Speaker 6: is there is another human in the world that did
- 8:51Speaker 6: have access to that, and right now with everything going on,
- 8:56Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm gonna I'm not gonna state that.
- 9:01Speaker 5: No, No, do you think that person is?
- 9:07Speaker 6: I think he's an asshole? Okay, so we'll just start
- 9:09Speaker 6: at that. I think he's the person I think. I think,
- 9:13Speaker 6: in my humble opinion, who I think it is.
- 9:17Speaker 4: I think needed to ruin me and crush my soul.
- 9:21Speaker 6: And the funny thing is, though, is that I heard
- 9:23Speaker 6: you talking about gratitude earlier. I'm going to get back
- 9:26Speaker 6: to your question real quick. But that doesn't crush my
- 9:29Speaker 6: soul to take away a show, right, it doesn't. Like, No,
- 9:33Speaker 6: that's not what I'm about. Life is long and or
- 9:36Speaker 6: it's short. You know, I have a few friends right
- 9:38Speaker 6: now battling cancer. But fifteen years of my life I
- 9:41Speaker 6: spent on TV. But let's say I live to one hundred.
- 9:43Speaker 6: That's just a small blip and that isn't what defines me.
- 9:46Speaker 6: I don't at the end of the day when I'm buried,
- 9:49Speaker 6: I don't want people standing up and be like I
- 9:50Speaker 6: loved her TV show.
- 9:51Speaker 7: Now, fuck that.
- 9:52Speaker 6: I want people to say she was an amazing mob
- 9:54Speaker 6: she was an amazing human and she just lived life
- 9:57Speaker 6: to the fullest, you know, So that that doesn't ruin
- 9:59Speaker 6: my life. I know for a lot of people, that
- 10:01Speaker 6: would ruin their life. But back again to twenty ten,
- 10:04Speaker 6: you can't swear on TV. You can't do anything. So
- 10:07Speaker 6: what I did, and I'm also a teacher, right, and
- 10:10Speaker 6: I'm a mom of young kids. I'm around kids all
- 10:11Speaker 6: the time, and I should back that up because then
- 10:13Speaker 6: somebody will say she doesn't teach. I went to school
- 10:16Speaker 6: to teach, and then I couldn't afford a student teach
- 10:19Speaker 6: because to be a teacher you have to give up
- 10:21Speaker 6: income for six months to student teach and I had
- 10:23Speaker 6: a one year old at the time, and I couldn't
- 10:25Speaker 6: do it. So I gave a teaching, started cleaning business, whatever.
- 10:28Speaker 6: But I still teach, like I go into substitute or
- 10:31Speaker 6: I go in and work at schools.
- 10:33Speaker 4: But I couldn't swear.
- 10:34Speaker 6: So I've always made up these words because back then
- 10:37Speaker 6: they wouldn't even bleep you, okay, And I wasn't in
- 10:40Speaker 6: charge of my media then, so if I said fuck
- 10:42Speaker 6: this shit on TV, right, which I say that, I
- 10:46Speaker 6: can't even bleep the footage. I get to start back
- 10:49Speaker 6: and I get to like recut it. So being around
- 10:52Speaker 6: kids and all this, I made up these things. You
- 10:54Speaker 6: can go. I think my show is still showing on
- 10:56Speaker 6: Roku and famiculty.
- 10:57Speaker 3: Fork for you.
- 10:58Speaker 6: Fuck Noo was like, yeah.
- 11:03Speaker 3: Can Yes, I'm trying to get to the.
- 11:05Speaker 4: Whole what I'm saying.
- 11:06Speaker 1: Ye can we just okay? Because I understand that, Like,
- 11:10Speaker 1: you're here because you want to have a real conversation.
- 11:12Speaker 1: You know this is the place to be. But I
- 11:13Speaker 1: feel like what's happening right now is like you're doing
- 11:15Speaker 1: a lot to humanize yourself. And that's that's cool. I
- 11:17Speaker 1: know you feel like you have to do that, But
- 11:19Speaker 1: the use of the in word, saying nigger dehumanizes people
- 11:22Speaker 1: like us, and that's the real convers.
- 11:23Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely, and that's why again I've never like I
- 11:28Speaker 6: was raised. We don't use that word. Okay, I know
- 11:32Speaker 6: that I don't use that word. I don't use that word.
- 11:34Speaker 6: Why I'm white. I swear to God, don't do that. Charlomne,
- 11:40Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you no, I'm
- 11:42Speaker 6: going to tell you right right now, no, no, No,
- 11:44Speaker 6: you can stand.
- 11:45Speaker 7: Next to me like you can.
- 11:47Speaker 6: No, I'm telling you, and you don't have to believe me,
- 11:50Speaker 6: Like you don't know me. I just walked in here,
- 11:51Speaker 6: I just met you.
- 11:52Speaker 7: You don't know me.
- 11:53Speaker 2: You don't have to cont.
- 11:56Speaker 6: No and no, and you you have to. I have
- 11:58Speaker 6: a I have a twenty eight year old son. Okay,
- 12:01Speaker 6: and like my playlist, yes, I listened to I've always listened.
- 12:06Speaker 7: I've always listened to everything. Okay.
- 12:08Speaker 6: I grew up in I graduated nineteen ninety four. Okay,
- 12:11Speaker 6: Like that's it, But I don't. I have never used word.
- 12:17Speaker 6: I know that the people that know me know that.
- 12:19Speaker 6: My children know that. And the most important thing for
- 12:21Speaker 6: me when all this came out is at one I
- 12:24Speaker 6: spoke to my children. My son, my twenty eight year old,
- 12:27Speaker 6: was like, I'm finding the raw footage because there's no
- 12:30Speaker 6: way that that's slipped out. And then you weren't because
- 12:33Speaker 6: he's like, Mom, you go on and on about shit
- 12:35Speaker 6: all the time, right, I'm a mom, Like that's what
- 12:38Speaker 6: we do. And he's like, he phone the raw and
- 12:40Speaker 6: I do. I go on?
- 12:42Speaker 7: That was an edited.
- 12:43Speaker 6: Version's weird, what you mean you go on?
- 12:45Speaker 5: No?
- 12:45Speaker 6: I go on like I've never I literally say on it.
- 12:48Speaker 6: I say, I've never said that before. I've never said
- 12:51Speaker 6: that before. I can't believe I just said that. I've
- 12:53Speaker 6: never said this word before. And so I know that.
- 12:57Speaker 4: And again, do you think that, Yeah, I'm sorry.
- 13:00Speaker 8: So the guy who leaked it, right, we assume you, Okay, somebody,
- 13:09Speaker 8: So the person that leaked it couldn't have just felt
- 13:12Speaker 8: like that was so wrong?
- 13:14Speaker 6: Oh no, oh no, no no no no oh no
- 13:16Speaker 6: no no no no, no, no no no. I have
- 13:20Speaker 6: been in a situation. And again I'm not I'm not
- 13:24Speaker 6: saying exactly it was this person. But again getting back
- 13:27Speaker 6: to this, I produced my own stuff. I was in
- 13:29Speaker 6: my own home. Okay. The reason I said, like, oh
- 13:33Speaker 6: my gosh, delete that is because I don't.
- 13:35Speaker 4: I don't.
- 13:36Speaker 6: I was like so shocked that I'm saying. You can
- 13:37Speaker 6: see as soon as it comes out of my mouth.
- 13:40Speaker 6: If I was someone now I'm going to play the
- 13:42Speaker 6: devil's advocate here. Okay, okay, fine, white devil's advocate over here.
- 13:47Speaker 6: If I was someone that said that all the time,
- 13:48Speaker 6: and I'm in the sanctity of my own house, my
- 13:51Speaker 6: own cameras, my own camera, people that I pay for, They're.
- 13:54Speaker 7: Not taking my media away.
- 13:55Speaker 6: Okay, and even let's say it was my audio guy, right,
- 13:58Speaker 6: he only has audio clips, he doesn't have video. Okay,
- 14:03Speaker 6: but I would just roll with it.
- 14:05Speaker 4: But what would I.
- 14:06Speaker 3: Care when you said, eracis what did the guy say
- 14:10Speaker 3: in the background?
- 14:10Speaker 6: So he said, he said, we have I have thirty
- 14:13Speaker 6: five minutes on this clip. Okay, So he's he's rolling
- 14:17Speaker 6: right here, right, So if we stopped to do that, okay,
- 14:19Speaker 6: So then you go back and then there's a there's
- 14:22Speaker 6: a like, you have thirty five minutes of footage already
- 14:24Speaker 6: on there, right, And then I mean, I have I
- 14:27Speaker 6: have the raw, Like, if you guys want to watch
- 14:30Speaker 6: the raw, I'll show you the wrow.
- 14:31Speaker 2: Do you want to traumatize this? Why do you want
- 14:32Speaker 2: us to revisit? No?
- 14:33Speaker 4: No, I I liked it.
- 14:34Speaker 6: But I'm saying But what I'm saying is that I
- 14:38Speaker 6: I didn't have to like, no one would have ever
- 14:41Speaker 6: seen this.
- 14:44Speaker 3: No no, no, no, I thought he said something like that.
- 14:46Speaker 7: No no no no no no no no no no no.
- 14:48Speaker 4: You can pull that.
- 14:48Speaker 7: You can pull that audio.
- 14:50Speaker 6: First of all, when we shoot TV, a network never
- 14:53Speaker 6: gets raw footage ever, So and I'm in control.
- 14:57Speaker 4: Of my footage.
- 14:58Speaker 6: I'm in control of my show. I edit, so they
- 15:01Speaker 6: only get the finished product. So you know, they I
- 15:04Speaker 6: sell them a product, they buy it. They've decided to
- 15:07Speaker 6: take it off their shelves. Right, but they will never
- 15:09Speaker 6: have my raw footage. I don't deliver sixteen hundred hours
- 15:12Speaker 6: of footage to them to go through. They don't get it,
- 15:15Speaker 6: so they would never get it.
- 15:17Speaker 4: No one would ever get it.
- 15:18Speaker 6: Like I shot yesterday, I shot for the past two
- 15:21Speaker 6: days in a house.
- 15:22Speaker 7: No one's ever going to see that footage if.
- 15:24Speaker 6: I don't want them to.
- 15:25Speaker 7: It's my own fame.
- 15:26Speaker 2: Present.
- 15:26Speaker 5: You restore historic homes for a living. Did you forget
- 15:29Speaker 5: that some words come with historic damage too?
- 15:32Speaker 6: No, not at all. No, and again that's what I'm saying,
- 15:37Speaker 6: getting back to that, I do say these words, I
- 15:40Speaker 6: say not. No, I do not say that. I do
- 15:43Speaker 6: not say that I mean and again I'm not here
- 15:47Speaker 6: to convince you I'm not.
- 15:49Speaker 7: So these are the words.
- 15:50Speaker 6: Like again I say, I have this saying where I
- 15:53Speaker 6: say son of a beehive digger.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Okay, right, anyway, did you just say it again?
- 16:01Speaker 7: No?
- 16:01Speaker 6: I do, I did.
- 16:09Speaker 4: I got you.
- 16:09Speaker 6: I'm that I listen. No, and what I'm what I'm
- 16:16Speaker 6: saying again, is that I have made up and anyone
- 16:19Speaker 6: can go on this and anybody who's watched my show
- 16:21Speaker 6: fifteen years, I have nine seasons, one hundred and twenty
- 16:23Speaker 6: eight episodes. I've also been on other shows right now,
- 16:28Speaker 6: have I've been around people that are complete just complete
- 16:31Speaker 6: assholes in person, right, and you put them on camera
- 16:34Speaker 6: and then they're the nicest people in the world. Right,
- 16:36Speaker 6: But I've worked with those people and I'm like, I
- 16:38Speaker 6: don't ever want to work with those people in it.
- 16:40Speaker 6: They're just not good humans.
- 16:41Speaker 4: Right, There's there's no one there.
- 16:45Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, my ex boyfriend came out and said
- 16:47Speaker 6: that I was a bad person to TMC.
- 16:49Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, following all this, your ex boyfriend
- 16:53Speaker 1: said that you Oh yes, yes, ex boyfriend said that
- 16:57Speaker 1: you were a bad person, but that you were not racist.
- 17:00Speaker 7: Yes is what he said.
- 17:03Speaker 1: He's white. Yeah, yeah, but so yeah, maybe his I'm not.
- 17:06Speaker 2: Gonna trust the ex boyfriend though.
- 17:09Speaker 7: Trust I don't trust that one.
- 17:11Speaker 1: Yeah, he said he can't stand you, he said, yeah, yeah,
- 17:15Speaker 1: he said he thinks that you're a bad person who
- 17:17Speaker 1: treats others on the show like garbage. So he's not
- 17:19Speaker 1: surprised that the video was leaked, but he says that
- 17:23Speaker 1: you are not racist, and he pointed to past contractors
- 17:25Speaker 1: suing you because they weren't paid for their work. As
- 17:28Speaker 1: much as I dislike her and it may be validating
- 17:31Speaker 1: to see her get in trouble, she is not a racist,
- 17:34Speaker 1: nor has she ever said anything racially insensitive over the
- 17:36Speaker 1: years that we dated that I've known her.
- 17:39Speaker 6: Yeah, so he he did not like you girl anyways. Yes,
- 17:47Speaker 6: so due to a few things going on right now,
- 17:50Speaker 6: I will say, in my humble opinion again and this
- 17:53Speaker 6: is just my opinion, that is someone that has demanded
- 17:59Speaker 6: money out of me for the last four years. Boyfriend, Yes, absolutely,
- 18:03Speaker 6: and that is documented and has done several things now
- 18:09Speaker 6: as far as as far as anything like that. I'm
- 18:11Speaker 6: so glad that he came out and said that I'm
- 18:14Speaker 6: not really like that doesn't give me like do I
- 18:17Speaker 6: need him standing up for me. My children know that
- 18:19Speaker 6: I don't use that word. That's the most important thing
- 18:21Speaker 6: to me.
- 18:21Speaker 8: Has you know anybody like in your family or even
- 18:25Speaker 8: your black friends said look, we.
- 18:27Speaker 7: Know you, but you fucked up.
- 18:29Speaker 3: Oh you know what I'm saying.
- 18:30Speaker 6: You can tell that I know I fucked up the
- 18:33Speaker 6: second I say it. And again I'm not trying to
- 18:35Speaker 6: hide it from a network. Is GTV coming out saying
- 18:38Speaker 6: she said that on set for a show. That's so false,
- 18:42Speaker 6: that is false, that that was four years ago. I mean,
- 18:46Speaker 6: I can pull my contracts out. I wasn't shooting for AHTV.
- 18:49Speaker 7: That was my own media.
- 18:50Speaker 6: So nothing was nothing was sent to them, not they
- 18:54Speaker 6: didn't hold it. Nothing, nobody had that in their hands.
- 18:57Speaker 3: Now it says you use the term fart digger and
- 19:00Speaker 3: fart knocker. You use those stars before.
- 19:02Speaker 6: So okay, so fart knocker, yes, absolutely, fart you know what?
- 19:07Speaker 6: Again it's I do you have boys in here?
- 19:11Speaker 7: Do you boys have one? Okay?
- 19:13Speaker 6: So boys talk about uh farts.
- 19:18Speaker 4: All the time.
- 19:19Speaker 6: Okay, So and again I can't swear on my show. Okay,
- 19:23Speaker 6: So yes, I've made up these crazy words like absolutely
- 19:28Speaker 6: does it? If if I was standing there, I'd be like, yeah,
- 19:32Speaker 6: all right, really is that what's really going on? And
- 19:34Speaker 6: again I'm not I'm not out here to convince anyone.
- 19:38Speaker 6: I'm not out here to like sell myself as a
- 19:40Speaker 6: good person or any of that.
- 19:42Speaker 7: I don't have to.
- 19:43Speaker 4: I know who I am.
- 19:44Speaker 6: The people have worked with me. The people have lived
- 19:46Speaker 6: next to me, the people have met me, know.
- 19:49Speaker 4: Who I am.
- 19:49Speaker 2: So what does accountability look like for you?
- 19:51Speaker 5: Because you know, an apology is like stage in a house, right,
- 19:53Speaker 5: it looks nice, but what's not underneath?
- 19:55Speaker 6: Like underneath it's it's it's again. I've I've come out
- 19:59Speaker 6: and I've said I don't condone use that word. Okay,
- 20:01Speaker 6: So again I'm stuck here.
- 20:02Speaker 7: In the middle.
- 20:03Speaker 6: All right, So you got and honestly, the only people
- 20:05Speaker 6: coming at me really are are white people, like hardcore
- 20:11Speaker 6: at me. You have these these people over here who
- 20:14Speaker 6: always have to be like a missionary, right, who are like,
- 20:17Speaker 6: oh my gosh, you need to apologize.
- 20:19Speaker 4: They expect me to like sell everything I've ever.
- 20:22Speaker 6: Had in my life, donate it to a charity, and
- 20:24Speaker 6: like get stoned in the streets.
- 20:25Speaker 4: Okay.
- 20:26Speaker 6: And then you have the other side of white people
- 20:29Speaker 6: that are like fighting these people and being like leave
- 20:31Speaker 6: here alone.
- 20:32Speaker 4: It's just a word.
- 20:32Speaker 6: And I've come out and.
- 20:33Speaker 4: I've said, it's not just a word.
- 20:34Speaker 2: We're these people.
- 20:36Speaker 6: No, I'm saying that this group of white people, and
- 20:38Speaker 6: they have this group of white people.
- 20:39Speaker 2: Fighting each other, fighting each.
- 20:40Speaker 6: Other, and I'm in the middle right, And anyone else
- 20:46Speaker 6: who's known me or works with me throughout the years
- 20:48Speaker 6: has been like these freaking people are all crazy, like
- 20:51Speaker 6: what is going on here?
- 20:52Speaker 4: Again?
- 20:53Speaker 6: Yes?
- 20:54Speaker 4: I have, Oh, I have?
- 20:55Speaker 1: I have?
- 20:57Speaker 6: First of all, I apologize to my children. First was
- 21:00Speaker 6: the most important because my children are white. They are
- 21:03Speaker 6: my children. But the most important thing is that I
- 21:05Speaker 6: have raised them knowing.
- 21:08Speaker 7: I absolutely have. Have you have you like I did?
- 21:12Speaker 1: I did?
- 21:12Speaker 7: Did you like it?
- 21:13Speaker 1: I did?
- 21:13Speaker 4: I have?
- 21:14Speaker 6: I've also, So the most important thing to me was
- 21:17Speaker 6: I've apologied. I talked to my children first. They watched
- 21:20Speaker 6: the clip because they were like, Mom, you don't use
- 21:23Speaker 6: that word. You know, we can't use that word. We're
- 21:25Speaker 6: not but this is like were like, mom, and I
- 21:30Speaker 6: have a ten year old, right, So I pulled up
- 21:32Speaker 6: the footage and I showed me. He goes, oh, you
- 21:34Speaker 6: didn't mean to say it. So I didn't mean to
- 21:36Speaker 6: say it. I didn't mean to say it.
- 21:37Speaker 3: So how did you feel when you heard the donkey today?
- 21:39Speaker 2: Did you?
- 21:39Speaker 3: And how did you get a donkey?
- 21:41Speaker 6: I heard the donkey because I worked with a bunch
- 21:43Speaker 6: of guys and they saw it and and again they
- 21:46Speaker 6: were like and and and listen you guys want to
- 21:49Speaker 6: call me donkey of the day or you know.
- 21:51Speaker 2: I get what you've called us worse.
- 21:56Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna stay silent on that one because
- 21:58Speaker 6: again I'm gonna I'm to say again that that was
- 22:01Speaker 6: not some thing that I said or meant it at
- 22:05Speaker 6: somebody or any I didn't even mean for that word
- 22:07Speaker 6: to come out. And again, I that's not the only
- 22:13Speaker 6: word I don't use. Okay, the R words making it comeback? Right,
- 22:18Speaker 6: the R word you can guess.
- 22:21Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm not going to say it because I
- 22:23Speaker 4: don't use it.
- 22:25Speaker 1: Do you know the art work just yeah, yeah, you
- 22:30Speaker 1: didn't took it there, you could say that one.
- 22:34Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, well that words making a comeback, we
- 22:41Speaker 6: don't use that. And then then the then f f
- 22:47Speaker 6: f oh my goodness, reparations.
- 22:51Speaker 1: Oh no, that that can't be the word you don't use.
- 22:57Speaker 4: Tell people, Okay, all right, so it's not so, yes.
- 23:03Speaker 8: No, the R work is in reparations, right, No, that's it.
- 23:10Speaker 1: Oh, she can't say that one? Whatnig she can't say.
- 23:15Speaker 2: Anyway?
- 23:16Speaker 5: So what made you decide to come to Breakfast Club
- 23:19Speaker 5: to this?
- 23:21Speaker 2: I'm sure places?
- 23:23Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, I'll tell you why. Okay,
- 23:28Speaker 6: I've always been somebody that I don't you guys brought
- 23:32Speaker 6: it up, right, and it seemed like you guys had
- 23:33Speaker 6: questions and things like that, and this is this is
- 23:37Speaker 6: this is honestly like like I'm walking in knowing that
- 23:41Speaker 6: you guys have made fun of me, roasted me, You've
- 23:43Speaker 6: had this commentary about me. Okay, I'm sorry then exactly,
- 23:49Speaker 6: and I understand, I understand, and I reached out to Lauren, right,
- 23:53Speaker 6: and I just said, can we just can we just
- 23:55Speaker 6: talk on the phone. I'm not you know, when when
- 23:57Speaker 6: this first came out, everyone suggested that I hire a
- 23:59Speaker 6: p A, a crisis PRT right, or.
- 24:02Speaker 7: Go do this or go do that and make a
- 24:05Speaker 7: good show of it.
- 24:06Speaker 4: Like no, fuck that, Like.
- 24:08Speaker 6: That's not what I'm about, and that's that's not what
- 24:10Speaker 6: I've ever done. I've always found that you can be
- 24:14Speaker 6: a you know, like a problem reporter or a solution seeker, right,
- 24:18Speaker 6: And I've always found solutions through understanding and having conversations.
- 24:22Speaker 6: So if you have a conversation with me, right, and
- 24:24Speaker 6: then you're still like, you know what, I don't believe her?
- 24:27Speaker 6: Fuck that she deserved donkey O the day and I don't.
- 24:29Speaker 4: I don't believe her.
- 24:30Speaker 6: That's fine, now you've met me. We've had a conversation, right,
- 24:34Speaker 6: I just when I when somebody judges anybody just from
- 24:38Speaker 6: and of course, like when they see a headline and
- 24:40Speaker 6: they say as she TV racial slur right, they don't
- 24:43Speaker 6: need to say I'm white.
- 24:44Speaker 4: I mean a c TV like I can't. I can't believe.
- 24:48Speaker 1: In Wyoming when that filming was happening. I'm sorry you
- 24:51Speaker 1: were in Wyoming, yes.
- 24:52Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, but I'm just saying, like everyone knew that
- 24:56Speaker 6: they didn't have to. I'm gonna be white, right, I'm
- 24:58Speaker 6: gonna be white, and then you see me, right, and
- 25:01Speaker 6: that's okay, Like without without meeting me, Like who do
- 25:05Speaker 6: you think I am?
- 25:06Speaker 7: Like what's your stereotypes about me?
- 25:08Speaker 8: That was my introduction to you, Like when you first
- 25:11Speaker 8: came in, you said, people have known me for thirty
- 25:13Speaker 8: plus years being in this industry, the you know, home restoration.
- 25:16Speaker 8: And then it's people that don't know me. This is
- 25:19Speaker 8: the people that don't know you. This is the introduction.
- 25:21Speaker 2: You know, fart nigger, you know what I mean.
- 25:22Speaker 8: Yeah, So my thing is like I thought you said
- 25:27Speaker 8: it all the time because it came out, so definitely.
- 25:30Speaker 2: The word comes so naturally that word.
- 25:33Speaker 6: And again and and this is this is I mean,
- 25:36Speaker 6: if you guys want to watch the raw, like I said, no, no,
- 25:41Speaker 6: I said, I have the raw.
- 25:42Speaker 4: Do you want to watch?
- 25:44Speaker 3: Okay? The thing is, if you said fart digger, the
- 25:48Speaker 3: amount of times that you said, I just feel like
- 25:51Speaker 3: you should have released that a million and one times.
- 25:53Speaker 3: Because if you say fartnigga, fartigga figga, and it came
- 25:56Speaker 3: out there and be like, Okay, I've never heard fart digger.
- 25:59Speaker 3: And I watched the show yea, and I'm definitely never
- 26:01Speaker 3: heard fart nigga. So it just seems it just seems
- 26:03Speaker 3: like it's something that you've said before because it just
- 26:05Speaker 3: came out.
- 26:05Speaker 5: So now fart diggers sound like you're playing then assholes
- 26:07Speaker 5: all day.
- 26:10Speaker 7: No, No, And I don't have that's crazy.
- 26:13Speaker 4: I don't have.
- 26:14Speaker 6: I don't have a rhyme or reason of the words
- 26:17Speaker 6: that I make up, Like I say, I say nonsense
- 26:20Speaker 6: stuff all the time.
- 26:21Speaker 4: I mean, and again, like even when I like, I edit.
- 26:24Speaker 6: My shows right, and I'll be editing my shows and
- 26:26Speaker 6: I'll be like, fuck, just finish. What the fuck you're
- 26:29Speaker 6: saying because I go off, I'm like this and that,
- 26:32Speaker 6: and I'm off the cuff. I'm not scripted, right, And
- 26:35Speaker 6: I actually like, there are there are people in my
- 26:38Speaker 6: genre that are a little more scripted, or they're directed,
- 26:41Speaker 6: or they're produced, or they have a whole video village,
- 26:44Speaker 6: or they have all this.
- 26:45Speaker 4: I don't. I don't have any of that.
- 26:46Speaker 6: I shoot myself.
- 26:47Speaker 2: So when you try to say something else in that moment.
- 26:50Speaker 7: Absolutely, because you say digger and fart knocker, I.
- 26:53Speaker 6: Say, yes, but that's what I'm saying. I was. I
- 26:56Speaker 6: don't like exactly do I know my train of thought
- 26:59Speaker 6: in that. No, it's like a flip of a moment.
- 27:01Speaker 6: But I know that I wasn't saying that. First of all,
- 27:04Speaker 6: I would never put I didn't know.
- 27:07Speaker 4: That it was a phrase that was used.
- 27:09Speaker 6: But again, I don't really know a lot of I
- 27:11Speaker 6: stay in my little cave of restoring houses and being
- 27:14Speaker 6: a mom and tooling around Detroit.
- 27:16Speaker 5: Were like talking to yourself like, oh, just like did
- 27:21Speaker 5: you see the clip what I'm doing?
- 27:26Speaker 1: He's asking did you have gas on the letter?
- 27:28Speaker 2: Like? Were you talking to yourself referring to yourself as such?
- 27:31Speaker 7: Yeah, what I can say is I understand.
- 27:34Speaker 8: Yeah, uh not do you let me finish niggas?
- 27:36Speaker 5: I mean.
- 27:38Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
- 27:39Speaker 3: That's why I.
- 27:41Speaker 2: Feel comfortable.
- 27:43Speaker 8: She should feel comfortable because anyway, listen, I understand you
- 27:47Speaker 8: apologizing to your kids first, because my thought is they're
- 27:51Speaker 8: in some of them are in school. You know, you
- 27:53Speaker 8: got your twenty eight year old, but you have kids
- 27:55Speaker 8: in school. Yeah, and they have they may have black friends,
- 28:00Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, and for them to see
- 28:02Speaker 8: their friend's mom use the term and then.
- 28:06Speaker 7: They could be bullied for that. They could have to pay.
- 28:08Speaker 8: That price, you know, for something that that you said,
- 28:11Speaker 8: you know, for that term that you said.
- 28:13Speaker 7: So I understand you.
- 28:16Speaker 8: Apologizing to them, but is that because that may affect
- 28:20Speaker 8: what you know?
- 28:21Speaker 1: They go to school?
- 28:21Speaker 7: You said you got a team.
- 28:23Speaker 4: I apologize to them because I have.
- 28:26Speaker 6: Like that is just like we live in Detroit. We
- 28:30Speaker 6: live in Detroit.
- 28:31Speaker 7: Like I'm not I'm in the I'm in.
- 28:34Speaker 6: The Detroit that you don't see in trendy and upcoming Detroit. Right,
- 28:38Speaker 6: I've been in Detroit, like my grandparents were born and
- 28:41Speaker 6: raised in Detroit. Like I am not made for TV Detroit. Okay,
- 28:44Speaker 6: there are a couple of people I don't even know
- 28:47Speaker 6: if I can say. Can I say, am I in
- 28:49Speaker 6: the hood?
- 28:50Speaker 4: I don't even know? You know, listen, I got my playing.
- 28:59Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
- 29:00Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is like now, I'm like, whatever
- 29:02Speaker 6: I say, it's gonna piss people off. But I will
- 29:04Speaker 6: say no. And what my truth is is I would
- 29:08Speaker 6: say I live in Detroit. I am in Detroiter.
- 29:11Speaker 7: I'm not.
- 29:11Speaker 6: I didn't bring I didn't create and be like, Ooh,
- 29:14Speaker 6: Detroit's hot and trendy right now? Can I go do
- 29:16Speaker 6: my show in Detroit. I'm not some token white bitch
- 29:19Speaker 6: that walked down the street and decided I'm going to
- 29:22Speaker 6: go to Detroit. I'm gonna shoot a show. I'm in Detroit.
- 29:24Speaker 6: I had to fight to go to Detroit. I went
- 29:27Speaker 6: to Detroit before Detroit was trendy, before it was I
- 29:30Speaker 6: don't like news Detroit, to be honest with you, I
- 29:33Speaker 6: like it all it was and that's what I That's
- 29:35Speaker 6: why I restore.
- 29:35Speaker 3: The houses betrayed by AGTV.
- 29:38Speaker 6: Let mean, I feel that the statement that they made
- 29:42Speaker 6: wasn't factual. It wasn't factual.
- 29:46Speaker 3: Not only is the language like this hurtful and disappointing
- 29:48Speaker 3: to our viewers, partner's employees. It does not allow with
- 29:51Speaker 3: the values of AHGTV. We remain dedicated to fostering the
- 29:54Speaker 3: culture of respect and inclusion across our content in our workplace.
- 29:57Speaker 2: That's a good statement.
- 29:58Speaker 4: No, excuse me, it's the beginning.
- 30:00Speaker 7: Other statement, not only his language.
- 30:02Speaker 6: No, No, they have, they had aver they had they
- 30:05Speaker 6: had a first thing that like, she used this, she
- 30:07Speaker 6: used this while shooting a show, right, which said they
- 30:10Speaker 6: said exactly, so it wasn't and which is funny because
- 30:17Speaker 6: my shows did air that day.
- 30:18Speaker 7: They aired across all the markets.
- 30:20Speaker 6: I don't know. I do not know when they were
- 30:22Speaker 6: told about it, and in fact, I wasn't. The reason
- 30:25Speaker 6: I found out is because I was leaving school and
- 30:29Speaker 6: I got do you know Ryan over at TMZ Lauren. Yes, okay,
- 30:33Speaker 6: so Ryan, Ryan had called me and then I didn't
- 30:37Speaker 6: answer the calls because I don't take calls when I'm
- 30:39Speaker 6: picking up the kids. And then he sent me a
- 30:41Speaker 6: text and he said, hey, it's Ryan AMZ. Do you
- 30:51Speaker 6: think sometimes I'm saying I found I'm sorry, but I
- 30:54Speaker 6: found out about that. And then the statement they made
- 30:58Speaker 6: and then people were saying, oh, they pulled her show
- 31:00Speaker 6: from the air.
- 31:00Speaker 7: They already aired it that day.
- 31:02Speaker 6: Nobody called. Nobody called to even verify that the footage
- 31:05Speaker 6: was real, Like is it ai?
- 31:07Speaker 7: Is it?
- 31:10Speaker 2: So?
- 31:10Speaker 4: They said?
- 31:11Speaker 1: They said that AHGTV was recently made aware of an
- 31:13Speaker 1: offensive racial comment made during the filming a rehab addict.
- 31:15Speaker 1: Not only is the language hurtful and then and it's
- 31:18Speaker 1: disappointed to our viewers, partners and employees. It did not align.
- 31:20Speaker 1: So that's what Envy mentioned. Remain dedicated. They said that
- 31:23Speaker 1: they have removed this series from all HGTV platforms, and
- 31:27Speaker 1: of report I saw said that even though the footage
- 31:30Speaker 1: was some years old, it was used in your season ten.
- 31:32Speaker 2: That statement is accurate. It's a hurtful statement.
- 31:34Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not saying that that's not accurate.
- 31:36Speaker 7: I'm saying that they were.
- 31:37Speaker 6: They said that that was the filming for for that
- 31:40Speaker 6: and it wasn't that.
- 31:41Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
- 31:43Speaker 6: It matters because it makes it sound like I was
- 31:46Speaker 6: in a I was shooting and then I was in
- 31:49Speaker 6: a room full of people and I'm like, oh my gosh,
- 31:51Speaker 6: you know, like cut that all and going crazy like that.
- 31:54Speaker 6: That wasn't why I wanted it deleted and back I
- 31:59Speaker 6: wanted delete it because I didn't want I was like,
- 32:02Speaker 6: I just don't even want that word in existence. I
- 32:04Speaker 6: don't like hearing that word. Of course I've heard, but
- 32:09Speaker 6: I'm sorry it's stepped in your music, in my music. No,
- 32:13Speaker 6: I I personally have never put out music or sold music.
- 32:18Speaker 3: I do.
- 32:19Speaker 6: I do listen to that. I do? Do you guys?
- 32:22Speaker 6: You guys have to you have two changes in here today, don't.
- 32:25Speaker 4: No, I'm not. I'm not saying it, no, No, I'm.
- 32:27Speaker 6: Just saying, like I know I've seening.
- 32:29Speaker 4: It because like I didn't. And again, no matter.
- 32:33Speaker 6: What I say, somebody's going to you're using this.
- 32:36Speaker 1: I'm sorry you have specific songs, It's okay.
- 32:39Speaker 6: So what I'm gonna say again is that I was
- 32:42Speaker 6: at sound check, like I don't know ten years ago.
- 32:44Speaker 6: That's where I met Tyler the Creator because I worked
- 32:46Speaker 6: a Tyler the Creator to design his show in La
- 32:49Speaker 6: on fairbax right, and then like two change was there.
- 32:52Speaker 6: So I'm not again, And that's why I asked you,
- 32:55Speaker 6: what do you do? You look at me and think
- 32:57Speaker 6: like that's just some white woman and she sits up
- 32:59Speaker 6: in her suburban home and she's.
- 33:02Speaker 2: Rappers.
- 33:02Speaker 6: No, I'm not I'm saying. I'm saying when you say, like,
- 33:05Speaker 6: how do you know this? How do you know this word?
- 33:07Speaker 6: Or why why do you listen to that?
- 33:09Speaker 2: So then I so you know to word because of the rappers.
- 33:12Speaker 6: I'm I live in Detroit, man, Like I don't know,
- 33:17Speaker 6: because the history the word all the time. Like you hear,
- 33:20Speaker 6: I don't say it, Okay. I was raised not to
- 33:24Speaker 6: say it. I taught my children not to say it.
- 33:26Speaker 4: So you ask.
- 33:26Speaker 6: Historical content, No, no, no, of course no. No. I
- 33:32Speaker 6: again again, like I have been in Detroit and again
- 33:37Speaker 6: Detroit now Detroit now has like we never saw white
- 33:40Speaker 6: people in Detroit and never saw white people in Detroit. Okay,
- 33:44Speaker 6: now it's trendy. It is trendy now okay, and like
- 33:47Speaker 6: it's it hit like one of your top travel cities
- 33:51Speaker 6: to go to or something, right, and if you go
- 33:52Speaker 6: downtown now it's all white people.
- 33:54Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure this out, trying to prove here
- 33:57Speaker 5: about keeping you're from Detroit and you're around rappers, and.
- 34:03Speaker 4: She had told you anywhere.
- 34:12Speaker 1: But I think it's a learning moment for you because
- 34:14Speaker 1: even though right, so, look when I first heard this
- 34:16Speaker 1: and all this, I was just like Okay, this is
- 34:18Speaker 1: another white lady who just is the racist or doesn't
- 34:20Speaker 1: understand what she's saying whatever, And you have that privilege
- 34:22Speaker 1: to do that. We don't have the privilege to not
- 34:24Speaker 1: understand what we're saying while we're saying it. So even
- 34:27Speaker 1: in this moment, you may not mean anything by saying
- 34:29Speaker 1: I live in Detroit, I live in neighborhoods that people
- 34:31Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go to, and talking about all these things.
- 34:33Speaker 1: But because you have the privilege, you have to be
- 34:35Speaker 1: very aware of Even if you didn't get caught saying
- 34:38Speaker 1: the N word on this video, it still would come
- 34:40Speaker 1: off as very privileged and very unbalanced because it's different
- 34:43Speaker 1: for us. And that's what we're trying to have a conversation.
- 34:45Speaker 5: And I agree with Lauren, and I would also add,
- 34:47Speaker 5: do you think sometimes privilege makes people think they can
- 34:50Speaker 5: say anything?
- 34:51Speaker 7: Oh?
- 34:51Speaker 6: Absolutely, And those are the people I'm fighting.
- 34:53Speaker 4: I told you I'm called in the middle here.
- 34:55Speaker 6: So then there's people saying there's people out there saying
- 34:58Speaker 6: it's just a cussword. She somebody actually said like she
- 35:01Speaker 6: swears a lot, But I'm like, no, funk off, I
- 35:04Speaker 6: say funk off, right, I don't say that word. I
- 35:07Speaker 6: know that I do not say it, and I and
- 35:09Speaker 6: again I teach, I teach why we don't say it.
- 35:12Speaker 6: I teach again with the R word or any other word.
- 35:15Speaker 3: That word.
- 35:16Speaker 7: You do not know it.
- 35:18Speaker 6: I know what is because you might use it.
- 35:21Speaker 2: I don't you Okay, well it's used.
- 35:23Speaker 6: To describe it, it was used to describe people.
- 35:30Speaker 5: And then come into a black radio show and trying
- 35:32Speaker 5: to explain yourself about it that you know and you
- 35:38Speaker 5: know what.
- 35:38Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, you're right. I can't hear.
- 35:41Speaker 6: I can't here to have a conversation and yeah, yeah,
- 35:49Speaker 6: but I don't. I would say, please, don't use that word,
- 35:52Speaker 6: and then I would explain to people why don't please
- 35:54Speaker 6: don't use exactly, And people have said around me, I'm like,
- 35:57Speaker 6: don't use that word around me, do not, we don't
- 35:59Speaker 6: use Imagine.
- 36:00Speaker 2: Hearing them together, can you imagine your brain would just.
- 36:04Speaker 6: But I listen, conversation, I got it.
- 36:15Speaker 3: Yes, I would say, you're you're very brave to come
- 36:18Speaker 3: up here to have this conversation. I will say that,
- 36:20Speaker 3: and you did apologize.
- 36:22Speaker 2: It's not brave for coming up here having a conversation.
- 36:25Speaker 2: It's not brave.
- 36:28Speaker 8: Yesterday, yeah, with you, she could have went to any
- 36:33Speaker 8: other I would just say, you know, we wish you
- 36:35Speaker 8: the best of luck.
- 36:36Speaker 3: I'm glad you you're facing this and not running away.
- 36:38Speaker 3: I'm glad you're not hiring a team, a pr team
- 36:41Speaker 3: to to try to watch this under the rug. I
- 36:43Speaker 3: mean what you said with some up ship and.
- 36:47Speaker 1: I still had no accountability though, Okay, may I ask something?
- 36:50Speaker 2: Then?
- 36:51Speaker 7: Let me ask you this, because.
- 36:52Speaker 5: I have really the best apology is really changed behavior,
- 36:55Speaker 5: and we don't know you exactly exactly.
- 36:58Speaker 4: And and Charlamagne again, I will I will tell you this.
- 37:02Speaker 6: I will tell you this if you if if if
- 37:05Speaker 6: I'm out and about and let's say God gives me
- 37:07Speaker 6: forty more years, okay, I will challenge you. I know
- 37:12Speaker 6: that I will never use that word again. I know
- 37:14Speaker 6: that I did not use that word before. And I
- 37:17Speaker 6: know that I have spent my life that when I
- 37:20Speaker 6: do hear that word.
- 37:21Speaker 7: Or you know, it's not even that.
- 37:23Speaker 6: Word, it's any time people are using language or conversation
- 37:29Speaker 6: that is offensive to other people and hurting people.
- 37:33Speaker 4: Right.
- 37:33Speaker 6: I am that I am not one to shy away
- 37:36Speaker 6: from confrontation. I am one that's like, that's not fucking right,
- 37:40Speaker 6: don't fucking say that.
- 37:41Speaker 2: How do we even know you believe in God?
- 37:42Speaker 6: You keep swearing to them, but we don't even listen.
- 37:44Speaker 6: I because I swear, you would think that I don't.
- 37:47Speaker 6: But I'm Catholic and I guess we're allowed to swear.
- 37:49Speaker 6: We swear a little bit more.
- 37:50Speaker 5: Are you prepared for this? Are you prepared for this
- 37:52Speaker 5: to be the thing people remember?
- 37:54Speaker 4: Absolutely?
- 37:54Speaker 6: Not, No, no, and it's their choice. Again, I can't.
- 37:59Speaker 6: I'm not going to go out here. And again, what
- 38:01Speaker 6: matters most to me right, my children know who I am.
- 38:05Speaker 6: My friends and may have family know who I am.
- 38:07Speaker 6: Back home, they know who I am, and like, is
- 38:10Speaker 6: this going to define me? If people want to define
- 38:12Speaker 6: Nicole Curtis by this seven seconds of my forty nine
- 38:15Speaker 6: years on earth, then fucking let them because I can't
- 38:19Speaker 6: convince them otherwise. I know I can show them. I
- 38:23Speaker 6: can do everything in the world I could. I could
- 38:25Speaker 6: do what you and let me ask you something, because
- 38:28Speaker 6: I've asked this. I literally gave out my phone number
- 38:30Speaker 6: and I said, listen, let's have a conversation. And anyone
- 38:33Speaker 6: that DMed me again, I didn't put a person out,
- 38:36Speaker 6: I didn't put a rep out I said, just call me.
- 38:39Speaker 4: Here's my cell phone number.
- 38:40Speaker 6: I talked with Lauren on the phone, and it wasn't
- 38:42Speaker 6: just Lauren, it was so many people that I just
- 38:45Speaker 6: had conversations with, and you know, and they again looked
- 38:48Speaker 6: at me and just knew that I was this white woman.
- 38:50Speaker 6: What a TV show? And I said the word okay,
- 38:52Speaker 6: and I said, so let's have that.
- 38:54Speaker 7: Yes, do you regret saying absolutely.
- 38:59Speaker 6: That's what I show as soon as I said it.
- 39:01Speaker 6: And I didn't regret it.
- 39:03Speaker 4: Again, if you're looking at.
- 39:04Speaker 6: It like she just regrets it because somebody is gonna
- 39:06Speaker 6: get the footage, No, nobody.
- 39:08Speaker 4: Would have got the footage.
- 39:10Speaker 7: It was mine.
- 39:11Speaker 2: It's mine, so you put it out.
- 39:13Speaker 7: No, I didn't put it.
- 39:16Speaker 6: There's only two people, two people on this planet that
- 39:19Speaker 6: had access to that footage.
- 39:22Speaker 8: Saying that she would treat staff like ship, you know
- 39:25Speaker 8: what I mean? So somebody, no, no.
- 39:26Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, none of my staff had this.
- 39:29Speaker 6: I'm not going to throw my staff funder the bus
- 39:31Speaker 6: because one they couldn't. Again, I'm not sure how you
- 39:34Speaker 6: guys work, but he can't walk out of here with
- 39:35Speaker 6: your media.
- 39:37Speaker 2: Come in, nigga, stop laughing.
- 39:43Speaker 7: I can't with you I can't.
- 39:46Speaker 1: I can't.
- 39:50Speaker 3: Him. Thank you, Nicole.
- 39:59Speaker 6: Appreciated, and we have those conversations, and shot give you
- 40:05Speaker 6: my word that I've always had those conversations with people.
- 40:08Speaker 6: I will continue to have those conversations with people, and
- 40:12Speaker 6: somewhere down the line, when we run into each other again,
- 40:15Speaker 6: which I always believe that God crosses your paths and
- 40:17Speaker 6: weird strange ways, that we can have this conversation again.
- 40:21Speaker 6: And maybe when day you're bored ship and you just
- 40:24Speaker 6: decide to deep dive me. Besides, you know this, this
- 40:27Speaker 6: this random headline that came out about me and whatever,
- 40:30Speaker 6: and maybe we can have that conversation or maybe we
- 40:32Speaker 6: work on something down the road, anything like that. But again,
- 40:36Speaker 6: i'm is it is it going to ruin my life
- 40:40Speaker 6: that you know people have this idea? I mean, it's
- 40:44Speaker 6: it's not, it's it's it's what matters is the people
- 40:47Speaker 6: who know me.
- 40:59Speaker 2: Don't you do it?
- 41:02Speaker 1: Why did you let her pick the song she got play.
- 41:04Speaker 5: Lest Nope, she never even played the extended footage of whatever.
- 41:06Speaker 1: That she was trying she was trying to. You didn't
- 41:11Speaker 1: let her how many minutes long? Thirty five minutes?
- 41:14Speaker 2: Right?
- 41:14Speaker 5: No?
- 41:15Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, we No, I just scrabbed
- 41:17Speaker 6: the part part before.
- 41:20Speaker 4: You could part.
- 41:20Speaker 1: So if you want to see it, you should play it.
- 41:22Speaker 1: But why are you doing that? But the full is
- 41:24Speaker 1: thirty five minutes?
- 41:25Speaker 2: No?
- 41:25Speaker 1: I mean what was the full?
- 41:26Speaker 2: How?
- 41:27Speaker 1: Because your guy in a video, Yes, when you say
- 41:29Speaker 1: kill it, he says, I'm not going to kill it
- 41:31Speaker 1: because I have thirty five minutes. Yes, yes, so there
- 41:33Speaker 1: was more content so it didn't need to kill it
- 41:35Speaker 1: in that minute. And the reason I brought that up
- 41:37Speaker 1: is because what I hope you learned from this is
- 41:39Speaker 1: the heaviness of it, because the way y'all just moved
- 41:42Speaker 1: on after you said it, No, I didn't.
- 41:43Speaker 4: I didn't.
- 41:44Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
- 41:44Speaker 7: It's edited.
- 41:45Speaker 4: I didn't move on.
- 41:46Speaker 7: We cut cameras.
- 41:47Speaker 4: I didn't move on. It's edited.
- 41:49Speaker 7: It's edited.
- 41:51Speaker 6: It is edited to look like I just moved and.
- 41:53Speaker 3: I did regardless. She says, foul ship. It doesn't matter
- 41:56Speaker 3: if she moved on or not that she was foul.
- 41:58Speaker 3: She's saying she's apologized, and she.
- 42:00Speaker 4: And I did exactly.
- 42:01Speaker 6: But but and I'm telling you, I cut cameras because
- 42:05Speaker 6: I was so like, I can't believe that just happened.
- 42:08Speaker 4: I can't believe that just came out of my mouth
- 42:09Speaker 4: on the Cole Curtain.
- 42:11Speaker 3: Gentlemen, they can't catch you on a g TV, So
- 42:13Speaker 3: how can people see your show?
- 42:14Speaker 6: I mean, hey, you just you let me know you're
- 42:16Speaker 6: coming to Detroit. You can come to a job site
- 42:18Speaker 6: with me and work. That's usually where people find me.
- 42:21Speaker 1: So no, I know.
- 42:28Speaker 4: I can't.
- 42:29Speaker 6: Yeah, And then he says, and he doesn't believe, he doesn't.
- 42:38Speaker 4: Believe that that comes out of the mouth.
- 42:40Speaker 8: Okay, and her chill No, But I'm saying, like she said,
- 42:44Speaker 8: you can come to a work site with her.
- 42:45Speaker 3: I don't want to know.
- 42:47Speaker 6: My last question, Oh my gosh, hang on, let me
- 42:49Speaker 6: let me get.
- 42:49Speaker 5: What are just some things you plan to do to
- 42:53Speaker 5: maybe provide some healing for the people you heard? Because
- 42:57Speaker 5: because those white people that are trying to get donations
- 42:59Speaker 5: from you aren't wrong, but I just don't know if
- 43:01Speaker 5: you should.
- 43:03Speaker 6: Exactly right, I'm going to continue the work that I
- 43:07Speaker 6: have done, and that's and again I don't.
- 43:10Speaker 4: I don't.
- 43:11Speaker 6: I don't invest in Detroit and sell properties and make money.
- 43:14Speaker 6: I fight that I go and restore historical pieces of
- 43:18Speaker 6: our history in Detroit where they're not getting federal grants
- 43:22Speaker 6: where there's not state money, where where the the big
- 43:25Speaker 6: developers aren't going in because those neighborhoods, those people that
- 43:28Speaker 6: have lived in Detroit all their life, right, and even
- 43:31Speaker 6: like even I have bought houses to save people from
- 43:34Speaker 6: losing their houses to tax for closure.
- 43:36Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
- 43:36Speaker 4: I have fought.
- 43:38Speaker 6: I have fought these fucking cities about turning our cities
- 43:42Speaker 6: that have people that have lived in all their lives
- 43:44Speaker 6: and then yanking their homes from them, or tearing their
- 43:46Speaker 6: homes down and then building, you know, all of this stuff.
- 43:49Speaker 6: That's what I'm going to continue doing. I'm going to
- 43:51Speaker 6: continue my work like that. And that's what I do,
- 43:54Speaker 6: is that I'm in my neighborhood's working like that, investing
- 43:56Speaker 6: my own money that I don't have to. I don't
- 43:59Speaker 6: get money back from investing in Detroit because I'm investing
- 44:03Speaker 6: in negative market value areas. Okay, there is no market value.
- 44:07Speaker 6: There's nothing for me to gain except for rebuilding, rebuilding
- 44:11Speaker 6: our history there.
- 44:12Speaker 4: That's what's important to me.
- 44:13Speaker 6: When you rebuild history, when you maintain that history and
- 44:15Speaker 6: that uniqueness, that neighborhood can thrive and survive, thrive and survive.
- 44:19Speaker 6: And that's my battle in all these cities that I've
- 44:22Speaker 6: lived in, is that you have to have sustainability. And
- 44:25Speaker 6: it's not going to be in your trendy new markets.
- 44:27Speaker 6: It's not going to be bringing in the white people
- 44:29Speaker 6: so they can have a studio apartment now right. It's
- 44:31Speaker 6: going to be surviving those neighborhoods that were already there,
- 44:35Speaker 6: keeping the uniqueness, keeping the history, keeping it intech, keeping
- 44:38Speaker 6: the people that made that city, have been in that
- 44:40Speaker 6: city their entire life, making it so that they can
- 44:42Speaker 6: stay there.
- 44:43Speaker 2: So you make affordable housing for the people who've always
- 44:45Speaker 2: lived there.
- 44:45Speaker 6: There's no such thing as affordable housing. Do you not
- 44:48Speaker 6: know that? That's all a bullshit? Like in nonprofits, not
- 44:51Speaker 6: a nonprofit, they make profit.
- 44:53Speaker 3: What you should do is what you're saying that you're
- 44:55Speaker 3: doing in Detroit. There's a lot of young African American
- 44:58Speaker 3: people in Detroit that and that would love to learn
- 45:01Speaker 3: in a way that they can understand what this industry is,
- 45:04Speaker 3: how to build, and that's what you should do. You
- 45:06Speaker 3: should teach that from your point of view because you've
- 45:09Speaker 3: been there. You know how to get cheap, you know
- 45:10Speaker 3: how to do the construction. That's what you should do.
- 45:14Speaker 7: And that's what we have.
- 45:16Speaker 6: That's what we have, and that's what I'm saying. That
- 45:18Speaker 6: is what my work has been about.
- 45:19Speaker 3: All black investors, that is what my.
- 45:21Speaker 6: Work has been about, because that's what we've been doing,
- 45:24Speaker 6: you know, since I start. I bought my first house
- 45:26Speaker 6: at nineteen years old from cleaning houses, not because Daddy
- 45:29Speaker 6: bought it for me, you know, And that's the hustle
- 45:32Speaker 6: that I've always had to be on.
- 45:33Speaker 4: You guys have all.
- 45:35Speaker 7: I can struggle.
- 45:36Speaker 4: It was a young mom like I should have.
- 45:38Speaker 6: You know. Again, nobody handed me anything cleaned houses. I
- 45:41Speaker 6: worked jobs like and I saved that money and the
- 45:45Speaker 6: only thing I could afford I still can't find.
- 45:47Speaker 4: I don't go and finance. I think I pay cash.
- 45:49Speaker 6: No one's going to finance my ass. I mean definitely
- 45:51Speaker 6: not now, no, no, no. But I'm saying, like I've
- 45:54Speaker 6: never had anything traditional, so that's why I had to
- 45:58Speaker 6: figure out how to make it work.
- 45:59Speaker 7: And I do work.
- 46:00Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not a spokesperson for my TV show
- 46:03Speaker 6: where I'm a TV star. I'm a contractor. I'm a builder.
- 46:07Speaker 6: I mean, I have callouses on my hands because I work.
- 46:10Speaker 6: I'm not I'm like, I'm not, you know, like TMZ.
- 46:13Speaker 6: Laurence said, I look like shit the other day, and
- 46:14Speaker 6: all my fans were like, she always looks like shit,
- 46:16Speaker 6: you know, like she always looks no, no, I know
- 46:19Speaker 6: what I'm saying, like TMZ. Though, like they said it,
- 46:22Speaker 6: they made fun of me because they said that I
- 46:24Speaker 6: was like hiding out shoveled, and I'm like, appreciate.
- 46:27Speaker 8: Yeah, she should watch the movie Detroit as well. They
- 46:31Speaker 8: watched since you're a Detroit native and you in this.
- 46:34Speaker 7: Old chabibble whammy, I watch.
- 46:38Speaker 8: Yeah, uh, Detroit, just watch that. But definitely, you know,
- 46:42Speaker 8: teach black and.
- 46:43Speaker 3: Athletes and helping entrepreneurs, young entrepreneurs in Detroit. Detroit was
- 46:48Speaker 3: a hot market a couple of years ago. It was
- 46:49Speaker 3: still list and you should teach him how to make
- 46:51Speaker 3: some money and body first homes.
- 46:52Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I mean, but like I said, the
- 46:54Speaker 6: sad thing is that I don't That's not I don't
- 46:57Speaker 6: make money on my home. So what we but honestly,
- 46:59Speaker 6: what we have done, that is exactly what I've done
- 47:02Speaker 6: that and if and again I don't, I don't have
- 47:05Speaker 6: cameras on all the time, right, I just shoot what
- 47:07Speaker 6: I'm gonna shoot what.
- 47:08Speaker 7: I'm on my job sites all the time.
- 47:10Speaker 6: And I would invite any of you to come to
- 47:13Speaker 6: Detroit any day you want to and no, not even that,
- 47:17Speaker 6: but you can't. But I just say, like people like
- 47:19Speaker 6: smashing out you know stuff, but come and see come
- 47:23Speaker 6: and see my job site and you'll see it's not
- 47:26Speaker 6: it's not a TV show and it's and I do.
- 47:29Speaker 4: Have I like I have to. I don't. I can't
- 47:34Speaker 4: say anybody right for you.
- 47:35Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying I work with people from my city.
- 47:39Speaker 6: The people that work for me are from my city.
- 47:41Speaker 6: So it's not it's not I'm not saying anything in
- 47:44Speaker 6: front of him right now. Yeah, but I'm saying like
- 47:47Speaker 6: that is what you see, and of course, and that
- 47:48Speaker 6: as a teacher, and that's what's my point.
- 47:50Speaker 4: I don't teach in a classroom.
- 47:52Speaker 6: I teach on a job site, right because if you
- 47:54Speaker 6: teach skills right, then they can always go And like
- 47:58Speaker 6: I tell everybody, you can go get a college degree, right,
- 48:00Speaker 6: but what when AI takes your job. You know how
- 48:03Speaker 6: to be a master plumber. You can plumb, you can
- 48:06Speaker 6: you can do h fast, you.
- 48:07Speaker 4: Can build, you can do any of that.
- 48:09Speaker 6: Those are the people that are the millionaires right now, right,
- 48:11Speaker 6: So that is what I teach, that is what I
- 48:13Speaker 6: give back, and that's already what we do because again
- 48:15Speaker 6: I'm a mom.
- 48:16Speaker 7: I got a.
- 48:16Speaker 6: Twenty eight year old and so he's grown up around that,
- 48:19Speaker 6: which again is why I was so disappointed in myself
- 48:23Speaker 6: for saying that word. Because I am the matriarcher of
- 48:25Speaker 6: my family and the leader of my children. I am
- 48:28Speaker 6: a teacher. And if if people think that me saying
- 48:31Speaker 6: that word is okay, then I'm that is That's why
- 48:35Speaker 6: I was so DISTI I do, I did, and I do.
- 48:39Speaker 6: I apologize, Yes I do. And to everyone out there,
- 48:44Speaker 6: just Charlotte Mane's you're aware, that is a word that
- 48:47Speaker 6: I do not condone. So the people out there that
- 48:50Speaker 6: do not use me as an example, right, That's that's
- 48:53Speaker 6: where I've been coming out against people saying, hey, just
- 48:56Speaker 6: because I said it, I made a mistake. I know,
- 48:58Speaker 6: I'm inde a mistake. You watch that?
- 49:00Speaker 7: Did you even the edited bullshit? You know that.
- 49:02Speaker 6: I am like, Ugh, so no, don't use me as
- 49:05Speaker 6: your poster child for that bullshit.
- 49:06Speaker 5: And I don't want you to think, yeah, coming on
- 49:08Speaker 5: the Breakfast Club is just going to rehabilitate your Absolutely not.
- 49:12Speaker 5: In fact, it might increase the chances and you walking
- 49:14Speaker 5: through the airport and somebody going, that's the fart nigga.
- 49:16Speaker 6: Yeah no, I mean you have a lot of people
- 49:18Speaker 6: why and again I didn't. I didn't come on here
- 49:22Speaker 6: to prove myself. I came on here you said some
- 49:25Speaker 6: questions about me. If you had some questions, get it
- 49:28Speaker 6: from the source, right when you have a dispute, get
- 49:31Speaker 6: it from the source.
- 49:32Speaker 3: That is Nicole Curtis and it is the Breakfast Club.
- 49:34Speaker 3: Good morning, thank you for every day up the Breakfast Club. Finish,
- 49:43Speaker 3: y'all done,