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I Hate Soccer #104 - Laura Hamway, Detroit Country Day's Women's Head Coach · I Hate Soccer with Jason Collinsworth

0:00
SPEAKER_02: Detroit Country Day is one of the most prestigious schools in the United States.
0:05
SPEAKER_02: Really?
0:06
SPEAKER_02: And Laura Hamley, who has been coaching there since 2005, I actually coached with her at Country Day.
0:15
SPEAKER_02: We were both assistant coaches.
0:17
SPEAKER_02: I was there for four years, and she took over the head coaching duties about 10 years ago.
0:24
SPEAKER_02: And she just won her second state title and just became the basically the winningest women's head coach, female head coach in the state of Michigan.
0:38
SPEAKER_02: In this episode, we catch up.
0:40
SPEAKER_02: It is two and a half hours long.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: The last like three minutes, we lose uh Laura's video because I'm an idiot and I didn't clear out the card with some old footage that I should have.
0:55
SPEAKER_02: I'll try to be better next time.
0:57
SPEAKER_02: But um, this is Blast from the Past.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: We catch up, we talk about why more females need to get into coaching and perhaps why they don't.
1:08
SPEAKER_02: We talk about her being a mom of three, of three athletes.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: We just talk about uh soccer and high school soccer, the importance of high school soccer.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: We talk about club soccer as well, and she played division one college soccer, and how things are different, how players she thinks is are she thinks that players are better now than 20 years ago, and that's probably and that's in large part due to what they have at their disposal in terms of development.
1:41
SPEAKER_02: As always, like, subscribe, share this one everywhere, clip it up, do whatever you want with it, but please just share it everywhere and uh enjoy watching the two of us just catch up talking about old times.
1:58
SPEAKER_02: I hate soccer.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Watch any of my episodes?
2:02
SPEAKER_00: A bunch of them.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: Really?
2:03
SPEAKER_00: My favorite was the uh Dave Dianni U of M one.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: He was excellent.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm like sweating.
2:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, I've been around long enough that he was at Jackson Loom and Christie when I first started.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, so you coached against him in D well We maybe.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: And then he went on to Grand Valley.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: Yep, and then obviously Kennedy Beardon, Kayla Addison.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: Kayla, right?
2:27
SPEAKER_02: Kayla is playing with DCFC, still she was on my staff the last few years as well.
2:33
SPEAKER_02: What's she doing?
2:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh teaching, coaching, coaching where, or teaching where.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know what I'm not quite sure.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: She teaching here.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: No, but yeah, and then she um is in DCFC's youth system.
2:47
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
2:48
SPEAKER_02: Because I always see her posted by DCFC.
2:52
SPEAKER_02: But congratulations.
2:54
SPEAKER_02: So fun.
2:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean God, I mean, this is a high school.
2:59
SPEAKER_02: We are sitting in inside of a high school or indoor facility.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: And people are like, I don't know.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we'll get into it.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: But this is the norm for our student athletes.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: And this is 15 years old.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: 15 years old.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: Again, this is this is recess.
3:19
SPEAKER_02: This is recess for I left in 2010.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: 2010 girl uh girls season was my last year here, and then I went to U of D.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: And then that fall this opened.
3:31
SPEAKER_02: That fall.
3:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: 2010.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: We never won.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: I was thinking about that.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: We never won in our four in our four years together.
3:42
SPEAKER_02: We never won.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: No, and I've had a bunch of alumni reaching out, they were part of that uh Hudsonville Unity, Quim Powers strength, Laura Haybauer.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: And then we'd always run into Williamston too.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: Run into Williamston, I think the years you were here, that was like Anna Celoft, Clem, Kendall Verbeek, that group of kids.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: Playing against like Courtney Clem and the Clem sisters that went on to play at State.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: The one, uh, what was her name at Powers?
4:12
SPEAKER_00: Can't even remember, but we went back and forth with them for years.
4:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:17
SPEAKER_02: We were close.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: We were close.
4:20
SPEAKER_02: I think the furthest we ever made it in those four years was the state semis.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: That was the year the um Federation punched Anastiloff for the first time.
4:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, let's talk about that.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that.
4:31
SPEAKER_00: That was the worst.
4:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so okay, so Anasty Loff gets called up to the national team three weeks into the season, maybe, and then attends camp.
4:41
SPEAKER_02: Attends camp, and MHSAA tries to suspend her three-game suspension going into the playoffs because she trained and played with another team.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: It's the U.S.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: national team.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Bob lost it.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Bob was like, here we are.
4:59
SPEAKER_02: We here we have a kid from the state of Michigan playing for the national team that we should be celebrating.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: And your these rules say, nope, you can't.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: Like and and and you know, I just had some contact with Anna.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: I look back and remember we didn't name her as a captain, her rising senior year, because we were like, she's got so much on her plate, she's a national team call-up.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: We don't want her to feel a pressure.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: She came back to us and said, All I want to do is be a captain for this team.
5:28
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't want me to play for the national team, I won't.
5:31
SPEAKER_00: And we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're we're not implying that you can be a captain, right?
5:35
SPEAKER_00: But she was like, that's what this program means to me, you know.
5:39
SPEAKER_00: And she went on to UNC, played in goal, and won a national championship.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: And she was stupid.
5:47
SPEAKER_02: No, and it's like, oh man, I bring up Anna all the time with my players.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey, just keep on top of it because they're like the next year they bring in Adelaide Gay.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, okay, so you have a U17 national team.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: Well, they're gonna bring in the U16 national team player, too.
6:02
SPEAKER_04: Right.
6:02
SPEAKER_02: Or it's like do you remember her on the field?
6:05
SPEAKER_02: She's our best.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: Well, she was arguably our best player.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Because we put Andy in goal.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: Colleen Doherty.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: We had three goalkeepers.
6:13
SPEAKER_00: Three division one goalkeepers.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: Loyola and UNC back to back to back years.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: Anna played on our basketball team here, right?
6:22
SPEAKER_00: They made a deep run and we would wait for her.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: So we wouldn't get her that first week.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: We'd give her a week off because she was a multi-sport athlete.
6:29
SPEAKER_02: They're all let's talk about that.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Blue points.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: You have to graduate with eight?
6:35
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
6:36
SPEAKER_02: So starting freshman year, you have to graduate with eight points and you get one point per sport.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: Per season.
6:43
SPEAKER_02: Per season.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: Right.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: You you could play JV athletics, right?
6:46
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't all you know.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: There's something for everyone here.
6:49
SPEAKER_02: Was there ever was there ever a time where club soccer counted as a point?
6:55
SPEAKER_02: Didn't somebody start try to fight that?
6:57
SPEAKER_00: So we still have if you if you can prove that you are national level, and on that national level, you are nationally ranked, right?
7:06
SPEAKER_00: Then you can receive a point.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: Um it's very difficult to do in soccer.
7:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: But you know, if you are a horseback rider or you are, we've got some kids here who are um gym gymnastics, but we don't offer a program.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: They go on to Louisiana, right?
7:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
7:22
SPEAKER_00: High level, but we don't offer it.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: That would be you can receive your point.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Well, they maybe figure skating or something like that.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: Got it.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: And then so Mitchell, who is what, 17 now?
7:35
SPEAKER_00: 18, rising senior.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, he's 18 years now.
7:39
SPEAKER_00: He was a baby when you were on staff.
7:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember.
7:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, just running around.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so 18, and he played lacrosse, one and one a state title.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: Men's.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: So two years, his freshman year and his junior year.
7:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, he's how many state titles has he?
7:56
SPEAKER_02: Is that three now for him?
7:58
SPEAKER_00: He has three.
7:58
SPEAKER_00: And then in fall, the soccer, he's he stepped back into soccer.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: He's a football kicker.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: But stepped back in soccer.
8:05
SPEAKER_02: Three points right there.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: And I remember some of the girls played like ultimate frisbee as a freshman because yes, we had ultimate frisbee.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: Do we still?
8:15
SPEAKER_02: We do not.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
8:16
SPEAKER_00: No, but I mean we have more offerings than most schools.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
8:21
SPEAKER_02: You guys had lacrosse before most other schools in the state of Michigan.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: Like the public schools, especially north, like Lake Orion and Oxford and Clarkston, they didn't have lacrosse.
8:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
8:34
SPEAKER_02: And and then obviously we did.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, in dominance this spring.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: Men's and women's state championships in lacrosse this spring.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: And then men's and women's, men's in this in the fall, and women's in the spring state title for soccer, right?
8:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: How many how many state titles did you guys win this year?
8:55
SPEAKER_00: We won seven total.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: And you're D3, right?
8:57
SPEAKER_00: And we are D three.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it changes in the sport.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: So, like volleyball, they're not in D3 because you take into consideration how many schools offer a team, and then you break that up with attendant with enrollment.
9:10
SPEAKER_02: Is there more is there more volleyball programs in the state than soccer?
9:14
SPEAKER_00: There are more soccer.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: So we competed in one in D2, the volleyball state championship.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: My daughter was on that team.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, it was amazing.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, amazing to see that.
9:24
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense because there's like eight divisions in football.
9:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
9:27
SPEAKER_00: And so it is how many schools offer that, and then what's your enrollment?
9:32
SPEAKER_02: Um and it has no bearing on success, right?
9:35
SPEAKER_02: Because somebody in St.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: Louis was like, it should be because I posted the all four women's were private schools.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: And somebody's like, well, it should be based on success.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: So, like, if you win, you should get moved up to division two next year to make it harder.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: I was like, why?
9:52
SPEAKER_02: You have a hundred kids per class.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:55
unknown: Yeah.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: And there's this miss, you know, a lot of misinformation about we offer merit scholarships.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: We don't offer merit scholarships, we offer financial aid.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Anybody can apply.
10:05
SPEAKER_00: It's called guided tuition.
10:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's an outside program that runs your family's numbers and comes back with, hey, here's what your family can pay.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, people are always gonna talk, but there's a lot of misunderstanding about how the whole system works.
10:23
unknown: Wow.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: How much of this is donated in terms of everything?
10:29
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you go and look at the Hall of Fame.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: You got Chris Weber, you got Shane Battier, Kate Mark Graff, Kate Sabrero.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, how much of this?
10:36
SPEAKER_02: I saw the Carmano, the the podcast studios studios that was donated by the Carmona Carmanos Institute, basically, or whatever.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: We have a great backing from our Blue and Gold Club.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's a you know, it's a group of people here who have an interest in athletics.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, they have sons, they have daughters, um, and you know, they donate and then they get together once a month and they talk about how they want to spend their money.
11:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can present and say, I would I would really love to have this, and then they take that into consideration and yeah, it's you know, it's a yes or a no.
11:08
SPEAKER_02: Do you feel I mean endowment, right?
11:14
SPEAKER_02: You think about an endowment, that's basically just what people donate, right?
11:18
SPEAKER_02: Your down your endowment is probably larger than most colleges.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you have alumni like Steve Ballmer of Microsoft.
11:27
SPEAKER_02: Steve Ballmer went here went here.
11:30
unknown: Oh my god.
11:32
SPEAKER_02: I remember Robin Williams went here.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: He did.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: He got kicked out a few times.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was here, the Paul, I was in Paul's office, and he was talking about how we were talking about Cranbrook, and we were talking about the fight against Cranbrook.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, and like, what is that?
11:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, where, like, you know, how long has that been going on?
11:53
SPEAKER_02: And then he brought it up.
11:54
SPEAKER_02: He's like, whoever gets the first president wins.
11:59
SPEAKER_02: And then they had freaking Mitt Romney and like running, and I'm like, uh-oh.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can't let him win because then Cranbrook's gonna win.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: No, I think you know, Chad played here, so right, right, and so there was Chad's still there.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Chad is, I think, in some sort of admin.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: He stepped into a different role there, but for so many years.
12:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean why would you leave?
12:20
SPEAKER_02: Why would you leave a place like Cranbrook?
12:22
SPEAKER_02: Why would you leave here?
12:23
SPEAKER_02: It's special.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: You've been here how long now?
12:26
SPEAKER_02: 21 years, and you're at the junior school.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm at the lower school.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: So the junior school merged, it's now uh preschool through third grade at our lower school campus.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: That's lower, and then it's the one on Lasser.
12:38
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: And Maple attached to this building is a four through eight building, and that's middle school.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: And then upper school.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: How many are lifers?
12:47
SPEAKER_02: All three of your kids are gonna be lifers.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: My kids will be lifers.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: Um Mitchell started in preschool, so did Molly.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Jojo started in young fives.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is this is what they think is normal.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: Did they have did Mitchell have Bob as like uh as a gym teacher?
13:03
SPEAKER_00: He had just retired, just but I mean he was on the sidelines with Bob for so many years.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: Both of both of them remember Bob.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: Bob's a legend.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, everybody's a legend here.
13:15
SPEAKER_02: Paul is too.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was uh in ODP, right, as a goalkeeper, we would train here.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: So Bob would open the door.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: He wasn't on staff, and you know, it was Jeff Shook, those guys.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Mark Hamilton.
13:28
SPEAKER_02: This is more recent.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: No, I mean, I was I graduated in 2000.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: Bob would open the doors and we would train here.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: So I was coming from Grand Rapids and I knew about Country Day because we were training in the Shaw.
13:40
SPEAKER_02: Training in the Shaw, Jeff Shook, I'm like Mark Hamilton, oh yeah, right?
13:44
SPEAKER_00: They were heading up our our our Michigan pool, right?
13:48
SPEAKER_02: Mark Hamilton is why I was here.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: So I went, I went and coached his summer camps.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay, and I did an okay job in my first year.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: I did way better my second year.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: Of course, we all do, right?
14:00
SPEAKER_02: And then and then he hooked me up with Paul, and then the rest is history, and then that's that was the first time I remember, and I talked about this before.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: I was so nervous coming to Country Day because I had a stigma.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: I thought, like, these kids are gonna be so arrogant, these you know, rich, pompous kids could not be further from the truth.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're the they're a different level of player.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're so driven, they are so humble.
14:30
SPEAKER_00: And I told you earlier, I think some of that is that two-sport model of like, if I pour myself into soccer, it's not enough.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: I have to do something else too, right?
14:40
SPEAKER_00: So my goalkeeper this year, Elise Heemstra, outside commit to Columbia, had never played soccer before, six foot tall.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: When she jumps, her elbow hit the crossbar, forearm extended.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Where am I gonna find that?
14:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:55
SPEAKER_00: And that was a kid that just needed a point.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: Her friends were on the team.
14:59
SPEAKER_00: And so you get this unique makeup here of some kids are just out to get their point.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, some kids are really grinding to make a top top spot, and some kids are elite, and you're all mixed in here working together for the same goal, right?
15:15
SPEAKER_00: So you get you get like she's fantastic, and this is her number one thing, and and you're around that, or I go back to basketball or to volleyball, and you need your point, and you're sitting watching me being amazing over here.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's a it's a unique system, but I think it makes for the ultimate student athlete experience.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: I see it in my own kids.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: I told you earlier, Jojo's volleyball coach is like this spring.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: What have you been doing?
15:43
SPEAKER_00: Who have you been training with?
15:44
SPEAKER_00: What jump training have you been doing?
15:45
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, nothing.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: I've been playing soccer, I've been playing soccer, explosive, added to her vertical, yeah, because you know the the science is there.
15:55
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: Multi-sport athletes are fantastic athletes.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it's also just just your regular leg strength, just because of your running so much, because you're running way more than you do in volleyball.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you know, we um we had two double ACL tears last year.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: It's the worst to see.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: Both of those kids, you know, double.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: Double.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: The year before they had both torn their ACLs, came back.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: One was same.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: One was opposite leg, one was same.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: They did their all their pre-rehab, rehab with impact.
16:28
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Impact, you know, has ties with the school, comes into the school.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, I added in the FIFA 11 warm-up.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: That article was published this fall about anywhere from 30 to 50% decrease of ACL tears.
16:42
SPEAKER_04: Right.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: When adding in the specific FIFA 11 warm-up has the the the balance, the strength, the running.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we would spend 25 minutes each training session and before games doing that warm-up.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: It's the first time in 10 years we didn't have an ACL tear.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Really?
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: So it was like I've been I've been like critical of the FIFA 11 when they just rely only on the FIFA 11.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we do other things, but again, the knowledge, uh, Dr.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Bill Matsoris out of Henry Ford, he does a lot of a lot of uh uh ACL surgeries.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: So you guys we picked his brain, right?
17:20
SPEAKER_00: And he was like, this is one of the only true things that we have found that is actually in your control.
17:27
SPEAKER_02: Is it is that the Ford, the Henry Ford doctor that's here all the time?
17:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so he has we have um we work with Henry Ford.
17:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: We have one trainer on staff that's hired through Country Day and is here full time, right?
17:39
SPEAKER_00: We have another one who is hired through Henry Ford.
17:42
SPEAKER_04: Right.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: And then we have a visiting team doctor.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're on the sidelines of all of our football games.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Our kids can come in and see them.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: We are they they can get you into a specialist in under a week if you know you got a back injury or so shoulder injury.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: What about okay, what about impact?
17:59
SPEAKER_00: What are they doing here?
18:00
SPEAKER_00: So they're they run a program in the summer here.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's a free program because Blue and Gold has has purchased it.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Um we'll go into what blue and gold is.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: So blue and gold is a group of parents that are dedicating their time and their you know, resources.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: Is that the is that that's what used to get us like Jimmy Johns on the way, like, yeah.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a it's a pool of money that those parents have decided, you know, they they wanted to spend at this project or at the the the main stadium renovation that's happening right now.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Um it might be jackets, right?
18:37
SPEAKER_00: It might be like, you know, I've used up my budget um and I need to replace my whites, so I don't really have, but like I'm a few short on jackets.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Could you sure right?
18:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we wore huddle trackers this year.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you huddled trackers?
18:50
SPEAKER_02: What's a huddle tracker?
18:51
SPEAKER_02: Right?
18:52
SPEAKER_00: So it's like the bib that, you know, well, it's like the GPS.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like you can see acceleration, right?
18:58
SPEAKER_00: You can see certain players need recovery.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: Did you like do a deep dive and learn how to like read all that data?
19:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I part of so at Country Day, you need blue points, you need white points, you need gold points.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: So you need athletic points, you need clubs.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: Clubs is gold, gold, and you need white points.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: So you need to volunteer time service.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: So many hours on campus and so many hours off campus.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what are the the amount of hours?
19:25
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19:31
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19:42
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19:59
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20:17
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20:23
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20:24
SPEAKER_00: So it does increase.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: So, like freshman year, you need to just spend time on any of our country day campuses.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: 10 or 20 hours, maybe, and then it's 30.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: And then as you get older, you know, you've got to spend time outside of school.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: Anything anything you're interested in, right?
20:38
SPEAKER_00: You anything you're interested in.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: So, like I had some kids who were two men's players and and one female.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: She plays for nationals.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: She couldn't play for me this year, but she was my manager, and so she got her point.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: The two men's players play MLS next.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: They're pretty tied up, their schedule's tight.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: They couldn't be at a training session in games every single day, but they could watch film for me, scouting reports, read huddle tracking data.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: Were they MLS Next homegrown?
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Do you know that?
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so one is a wolves player, okay, uh, and has his twin sisters on my team.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: We had four kids, siblings.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: One and their brothers did, and the sisters did.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what an amazing family experience.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Where are you gonna get that?
21:24
SPEAKER_02: That's unbelievable.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, how many ECNL players do you th did you have?
21:30
SPEAKER_00: So on this year's roster, we just had Jenna Shaban.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh she's played her entire career at Liverpool.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, Liverpool's evolving.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she played for all of them.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: Um she was our D three defensive player of the year two time running.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: In the twenty one years I've been here, my only two time captain.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Wait, is that a state thing?
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Defensive player of the year and offensive.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: And she was.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Did they add that?
22:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm actually not really sure.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: It's gone, right?
22:04
SPEAKER_00: It's the high school coaches association.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like again, you've got a kid.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: She was the Detroit News Catch uh athlete of the year this year, ECNL player, decided not to play college soccer.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: This was the experience that she wanted, and she's going on to Harvard.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: That's a crap school.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, dude.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: So uh Peter, his name is Peter.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: He graduated my last year here, and his backup school, I said before, his backup school was Stanford.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: He ended up having to go to Stanford because he didn't get into Oxford.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: His parents are from England and he was actually born in England.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: But it's just a different level of kid.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: Again, we're asking you to get it done in the classroom, show up on the field.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: Is it developed here or is it the families?
22:57
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a little bit of both.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: I do.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: And again, I was I was telling you before of like, you know, people sometimes want to shit on high school soccer.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: But what high school soccer is now, because the average kid's exposure in club soccer, they're they're spending time at impact.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: The knowledge of nutrition.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we never had any of that.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: Right.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: And our kids might be uh Liverpool RL players.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: And they're still better than we or Jags, you know, rising players.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: But but their exposure to this sport, their understanding of tactics, they're spending time at next level.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: They're working with Doug Salgado at um it what was on the ball training, right?
23:38
SPEAKER_00: What they are doing, we we were never doing.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: No.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: So it's like you take the tippy top out, and I understand that people want to say it's watered down.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: But the makeup of this entire roster, where I went to high school, none of us had any of this knowledge, any of this training.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: So again, I mean, you can throw high-level tactics at these kids and they understand it.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: I can change formations.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: I I don't even need to explain why.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: And they are like, let's go.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, they grew up 4v4 at Liverpool or at Hawks or and they were high-level Hawks players in middle school and got burnt out or were hurt or didn't want to, they wanted to spend their time playing high school athletics.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, is it a special makeup of kids?
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Special makeup of parents, sure.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: Are there any soccer players like ECNL girls that go to the school but don't play high school soccer?
24:32
SPEAKER_02: And then they'll they'll get their points through basketball or something else.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: So um, what's interesting is the makeup of that my uh 2021 team that won the state championship that spring, Gigi Galetti was a Hawks player, Jordan John, um Victoria Miller.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: She went on to play at Ohio State and she's now at San Diego.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: Those kids, for whatever reason, the stars aligned to her seniors.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: Georgia was uh uh Victoria was transitioning from Hawks to Jags mid-year.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: We picked all those kids up.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: So those kids that wouldn't have had that experience here got that experience, and those kids are thanking you.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Like, I've never played in front of a crowd like this, with my friends there and my family there.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Um and they played all over the United States.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: And then we've got kids like Georgia Hopkins.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: She's a GA rising, she was offered a spot on the top GA team with the age group realignment, and she turned it down this coming year of like, I want this high school experience.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: I want to captain this team, this is what I want.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you know, you've got families that buy into high-level ice uh high school athletics.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: And the Cranbrook doesn't have the points.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: No, Brother Rice doesn't.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: No.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Marion doesn't.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: No.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: We don't offer PE here.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: So, like so it, so you know, like I'm uh the government standard of you know, kids have to sp spend so much time in a PE class for their health component or whatever.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: We don't have that here, and I love it because you get really intelligent kids here and they need exposure to sport.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: So some of them are bowling, that's true, right?
26:15
SPEAKER_00: You're learning to be on a team, that's a life skill.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Like I put my own children in athletics to learn you're not good enough at times, hard work and you are right, coachability, how to be a how to be a good teammate.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: And that's why we put our kids in athletics, you know.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Do you think, and I'm trying to remember my time here, of any time that I remember parents complaining.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: It's a different level of parent, too.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm sure.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: It's a different level.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: There is respect, but at the same time, some of that is setting boundaries and expectations.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I run a preseason meeting, and it's do not contact me.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: This is your daughter's experience.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Let this be your daughter's experience.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: I am a mom, former D1 athlete, Anna's a mom, former D1 athlete, and so is Katie.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: They should be able to come to one of us.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: Do not contact me.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: And I say, if you do, don't contact me till 24 hours later.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: And once you have, I will not meet with you without your child.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: Because this is your child's experience, right?
27:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and that's just that's just boundaries and respect.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
27:26
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have anybody reach out to me this year.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: Not one.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't mean they always agree with me.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: No.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: But is there respect?
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: And then you had parents speaking at the banquet.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: How unheard of is that?
27:38
SPEAKER_02: They actually asked to speak.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Manuel Mezquel runs a massive company here.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh Mass Mutual.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: His daughter, Ava, is a captain of mine.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: He asked me in advance.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's ultimate respect.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: And what he stood up and said is like this culture that my daughter was a part of.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: It's made her who she is.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: That same kid tore ACL twice during this, rehabbed back, started and played every minute in that state championship game, returned in under a year, second team all state.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: She's going on to U of M.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you have high-level executives thanking you for the time that you spent and the appreciation for what you did for their daughter.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: It's unbelievable.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, when I was here, it was like the Dombrowski's kids were here.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: Right?
28:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I think Iserman, was it Iserman's here or they were Sacred Heart.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: They're Sacred Heart.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Sacred Heart.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I mean, you've got right now some Pistons, a lot of Pistons coaches, players go here.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: We get a bunch of Lions players.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Matt Stafford's daughters were here until he was transferred.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, there's also that like this is my experience, and this is my child's experience, right?
28:57
SPEAKER_00: And like those two things don't need to intercross, right?
29:02
SPEAKER_00: And like my parents spoke at the banquet and sent me letters after of like the respect for one another and one another's daughters.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: They were celebrating each other's daughters in the stands, and that's unique.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's uh every man for himself in this world.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Did you guys have a JV team?
29:19
SPEAKER_00: We did not this year.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so that's interesting, is like so how many are on your roster for varsity?
29:24
SPEAKER_00: So I rostered 27.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: MHSA will let you do that if prior don't have a JV.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: No, if prior to the start of playoffs you have rostered a roster that large, you may keep it, but you may not, once the the the postseason run, once that happens, you can't just add you can't just add.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: There's a cap of 25.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I personally have a no no-cut model because if you have to play two sports, probably in under the last 10 years, and you see that ebb and flow of like there's years that I can have two teams, and there's years that I can't.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: And um is it just because of enrollment?
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's enrollment and it's interests of like friends, friend groups go in this direction and they want to play the cross or whatever.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: And you know, yeah, if we're gonna encourage kids to play two sports, then I can find a place for you.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: But I manage those conversations tryout week of I I pull each kid over with my staff.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: Where do you see yourself?
30:23
SPEAKER_00: If I have three goalkeepers, rank yourself.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: What do you see?
30:26
SPEAKER_00: And what's crazy is they know they look at me and say, I am goalkeeper number three, but I want to be a part of this.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: And you know, you're managing expectations all season long.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Because you know, everybody wants to feel important, of course, everybody wants to contribute, and that doesn't always happen.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Are there moments I could get everybody in?
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but there were limited opportunities this year, and you know, I had kids coming off the field who received limited minutes saying to me, Thank you, that was so fun.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: It was so fun.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: You guys are in the Catholic League now this fall.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: This fall.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Why?
30:59
SPEAKER_00: It's not a Catholic institution, sure.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: But Norris Cranbrook, and they're in it, and they're in it, yeah.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think it's so Jim.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: So Notre Dame Prep leaves the Catholic and he loves it.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: You're entering and you love it.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm excited.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Do I exactly know what it's gonna look like?
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I've been here 21 years, assisted 10 under Bob, 11 on my own.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think the landscape is ever evolving.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: I I do know that a lot of teams don't want to play me.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh because they don't have to.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: That's what and so it's interesting.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Like starting the couple weeks into this spring, I had like 12 games.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: And I was reaching out to like Steve Horn, who was at Williamston, he's at Cleary and Brighton.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, will you play me?
31:46
SPEAKER_00: I I'll play anybody.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: We play Troy.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Why won't people play you?
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Because you're that good?
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's Country Day.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's interesting because like when a coach feels like he has what, or I say he because it's sad, I don't coach against any females.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: We'll get there.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: But but he, when he says, you know, can I do you want to play?
32:10
SPEAKER_00: And I've never played, it's because he thinks he's good, right?
32:14
SPEAKER_00: And you know, people care about their NPR.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: We didn't have MPR a couple years ago.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: We've got Michigan power rankings now, and it's this formula.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Michigan does have Michigan does have that, and it all it does is seeds that very first game in districts.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: It was needed.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: I wish more was seeded.
32:30
SPEAKER_02: But the whole thing was seeded.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Sure, but you can't, because let's be honest, it's high school athletics.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: And it's travel, it's high school athletics, so you can't ask some school to go all the way across the state.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we we all don't have the same resource level.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: So I do understand that.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: But do I appreciate MPR?
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes, because again, it takes into account your strength of schedule and then how you did against the teams you played and a calculation against your opponents.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: So, like, you know, I had no business beating Marion this year, but that was fun, and that sure helps out your MPR.
33:01
SPEAKER_02: When how okay sometimes you could have a light schedule, sometimes because nobody would play you, so you only have 15 games, you only have 12 games, right?
33:13
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's actually better.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
33:15
SPEAKER_00: I again I've done this for a long time.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: You watch patterns, you watch overuse injury, and you know, I backed off.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: Like I back off in what's done.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: We train here Monday morning before school starts.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: So school doesn't start every Monday.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Every Monday.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: So school doesn't start till nine o'clock.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: We come at 6 45.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: There's nobody here, it's just us.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: What I can get done, what I can get done from 6 45 until 8 o'clock is unlike anything I can get done on any other day.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: Because kids sharing a field and kids got we talk about balancing being a student athlete.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Go to bed on Sunday night.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Go to bed at a good time, get up.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: And what they tell me, they're they're output at school on Monday, they're awake, they're alert, they've already increased their heart, released those good hormones, and they're like, I genuinely enjoyed my morning classes.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: So we train like, and it depends.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: If I play on Tuesday, I love a Monday morning because I can get a little bit done more done because there's a little bit more recovery than I could Monday after school.
34:19
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: But like if I don't play till Wednesday, I can really get a lot done.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: Do you ever do two-a-days?
34:25
SPEAKER_02: Do you ever do like Monday morning and then Monday afternoon?
34:27
SPEAKER_00: No, no, and I love it, they love it.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: They can go home Monday and be a kid.
34:32
SPEAKER_03: It's true.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: Go get their homework done.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: But like, you know what?
34:35
SPEAKER_00: We backed off.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: You pay more attention to rhythm and like backing off kids' bodies, wearing huddle trackers.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is my captains run this team.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: I put the power in them.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: I text them every day.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: How do we feel?
34:48
SPEAKER_02: How many?
34:50
SPEAKER_00: I had three this year.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: I'll have four next year.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: But every day, we text every day.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: What are you feeling?
34:56
SPEAKER_00: What do you need?
34:57
SPEAKER_00: And they're communicating and they're the voice because they need autonomy over their experience.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: And I am a better coach and we are a better kid.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: When their kids are driving, it's their body, right?
35:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, nobody was asking me those things when I was a kid.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: Nobody cared.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Nobody cared.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Nobody cared.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: Is that is that because of the mental health, or is that a country day specific thing?
35:21
SPEAKER_02: Because country day wasn't always like that either.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's both.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's true though.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was a college athlete, nobody cared.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: Nobody cared, nobody cared.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: And like there are days, you know, film has come so far.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: So there are days that I was thinking that I wanted to cover something.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
35:38
SPEAKER_00: My captains reached out that afternoon and are like, you know what?
35:41
SPEAKER_00: We need a break.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we can run film.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: Um their understanding of film, they watch it on their own.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: NFHS, what a gift.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: Is that because of the club?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Is that what I mean?
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think the majority of these kids have have seen film prior to coming here.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: What's interesting though is like we are the football.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's got 40 years here.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: 40 years state championships.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: His sons are on his staff this fall.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: He's entering his final year.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Mitch plays for him.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: He's part of the athletic director too.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's the head athletic.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: He is the head athletic director.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: He he's been here as long as I've been here and more.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: He's a legend.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: Mitch plays for him.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: How many, how many guys were on the football team?
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Because I remember it was always small.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: It is still small.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: Where I came from like Gorian, where there's a hundred guys on varsity.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: It is small.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, I it's interesting.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: I think the knowledge of concussions and the level we have a lot of physicians here and specialists here.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: I think people are like, I don't, I don't know if I want my son to do this.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you definitely have seen a decrease in the numbers of kids on the roster, but um, they're talented.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: It's a talented group of kids.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that two-sport model, like Mitch's buddies, play lacrosse, they play football, right?
37:08
SPEAKER_00: They they play basketball.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: And again, what you might be a stud in football, you you might not be in the cross, but you are rounding out a practice session, and that's important.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: And I tell my players that all the time of like what you are doing for me and us and yourself, it might not be getting you max minutes in a game, but you have made this team better.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: And we need so we were a small school, we need kids to show up and play.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: How hard is it to like organize all the sports to get into here or when when you do have the outdoor field?
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Because this used to be a so we have Hillview.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if you knew about we have a middle school turf field on Lasser.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I saw that like a couple weeks ago.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: I was driving by.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: So our softball field is turfed, our baseball field is turfed.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: We will have our new stadium and this, and sometimes, like, you know, we have uh our middle school players by eighth grade have to play two sports.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: So our in the yeah, in the younger years, like sixth grade, you have to play one.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: So we are it's challenging because you ask all this, and five five fields seems like a lot, but you have to get a lot of kids on all these fields after school.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm waiting around like school gets out at 320, but I can't start till 415 because you know, and we appreciate our our middle school sports teams.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: So I might be doing film, they might be doing rehab in the training room, or we're starting our FIFA 11 warm-up that we introduced because it takes 20, 25 minutes.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it's like you gotta respect one another and what they're doing.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I respect the teams that I'm sharing a field with.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's half lacrosse and half me.
38:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: If it's storming, there's four of us.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: But you know, what I can get done on a quadrant, I can I can roll a field uh, you know, a goal over here.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: Come on.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: High school a piece of turf is is like gold anywhere.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: So, like a quadrant of a field, yeah.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: I know this is unbelievable.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Like it's special, it is special, and like when I was in Buffalo, there's a couple schools like this, but it's not a country day uh yet.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: People are like, uh, and one that does have this, but it's a hockey rink.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, how many people get to use that?
39:29
SPEAKER_00: And like we front load uh games at home because we can control like if I'm gonna go somewhere in March and I'm gonna play you, it might get cancelled.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: It might be 17 degrees.
39:41
SPEAKER_02: Are you allowed to play games in here?
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: You can play a playoff game.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, MHSA has has cleared it's it's wide enough, it's just past the minimum.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: I thought the the height restriction, it's a little tricky.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: Um or was that ECNL?
39:54
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm I'm not I'm not quite sure, but we can play MHSA and have played playoff games in here.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: Because I remember maybe when I was at Vardar, we were trying to get in here, and then Demir said no, the ECNL won't let you because the ceiling is too low or something.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: And football can't play in here because the end zone, right?
40:15
SPEAKER_00: That you don't have the the length of the end zone, but I mean they practice in here.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: You can see them.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: They're they're putting in the work right now for this fall.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so fun.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: And it feels like a college, like of all the colleges that I've gone to, that's what this feels like.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: It didn't it didn't when we were here though.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when I when I was here.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: No, and I it wasn't this yet.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: I think even our our main stadium part of it was run down, but it had charm to it.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: It did, right?
40:42
SPEAKER_02: And I think they're redoing the entire thing, the entire thing.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: So tearing out all that cement, new seating, they're keeping the main press box that blue and gold had donated.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Yep, uh, the surface, the scoreboard, the track.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the walking.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Are you doing anything on losser side?
40:58
SPEAKER_00: You can't because of the Rouge River.
41:01
unknown: Got it.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like uh again, the the entryway, I mean, it is gonna scream everything that's country day.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: How many soccer balls have you lost in there that you've gonna found?
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Like Paul.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Remember that?
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Paul, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: Ross Cooper does a lot.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: I know.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, Paul would go in there and he would find five balls all the time.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: It's funny, it's this slow, like, you know, here's the fence line on 13 mile and the benches, and it's like and you see it like do you still do like the World Cup balls, like the official match balls and stuff that we used to?
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Do we use uh um Wilson is the so we train with, I mean, because you you know, you want your kids training every day with the ball that they're potentially playing with.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: So I got here in what 06.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: I get here, and it's all like the like official match balls of like the Champions League that year.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what are we doing?
41:52
SPEAKER_00: That was Bob and Paul, right?
41:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was them, that was Paul.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: And I'm thankful to have had 10 years underneath it, right?
41:59
SPEAKER_00: You you learned you learned so much about tradition and success.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, has it evolved to be so much more than it was?
42:07
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, they are definitely the base of what this was built upon.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: How many is it now?
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Total.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: How many on the men's side?
42:15
SPEAKER_02: How many on the uh I don't I'm not sure on the men's, I gotta, yeah, exactly.
42:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh they won again this fall, right?
42:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh that was Steve Bossert's second.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: This is second?
42:25
SPEAKER_00: It was his second.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: When was his first?
42:27
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm actually not quite sure.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm randomly at uh I got invited out to MLS next fest in Arizona in December.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: And a parent just comes up to me asking where to go, and he's wearing a Michigan State hat.
42:44
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: Go green.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: And he goes, go white.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, where are you from?
42:49
SPEAKER_02: He's like, Oh I'm from I'm from Birmingham.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: And I go, Oh, I used to coach a country day.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: He's like, I coach a country day.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wait, what?
42:56
SPEAKER_02: And it was the boss or it's like uh GD coach or Dean No no no, Dean Harris Harris.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: Dean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: Dean uh educational IT here.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: He is Steve's uh vars assistant.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: Random.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I mean, good people everywhere, right?
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good country date people.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, do you I still find myself saying stuff that Bob and Paul did?
43:24
SPEAKER_02: I still uh run some of the same things that they did because they just had like that.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: Was like my first so coaching with Ham and then getting this and then being brought into ODP.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: That allowed me to work with guys that like Zach Carroll and uh Caleb Stanko and Fataya Lashe, all guys that played at high level USL or MLS or in Europe.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: And that was my my first entry point into like college or in high level soccer.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: And then of course Anna and Andy and Thack.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean I I played for Nick O'Shea, right?
44:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was just a master tactician.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know what my favorite drill is?
44:06
SPEAKER_02: What's that?
44:07
SPEAKER_02: That you stole from Nick?
44:08
SPEAKER_00: What's that?
44:09
SPEAKER_02: Capture the flag.
44:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
44:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: I turned that into a one-on-one drill.
44:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:15
SPEAKER_02: So you have three cones.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: I just use cones.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: We you use to do the ball.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: The ball and the cone, that came from a teammate.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: It was.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: But it was a teammate of mine that was on the Norwegian national team.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: And when we were at Oakland, she was playing US.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll think of it in a second.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: Don't let me have don't err that I had a delay because she was a stud.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Like that can't happen.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: I remember that girl.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'll think of it in a second.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: But like again, Oakland was another unique experience.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we were top 25 when I played there in D1, but you were one of the only one or two that were Americans.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: We had Norwegians, we had Canadians, kids from Newfoundland and Canada.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: It was an international roster because they could.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean they could?
45:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think at the time scholarships were a little bit different.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is 2000.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: I played till oh five.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, it's it's so different now.
45:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, well, not on the man's side.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: On the men.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: What's Mitchell gonna do?
45:23
SPEAKER_02: Does he want to play the cross?
45:25
SPEAKER_00: He won't no, Mitchell wants to kick.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: So Mitchell's nationally ranked as a kicker.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's still going through the he does poles kicking, so for ranking, and then there's like uh Andrew Welloch.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay, he played at Eastern and was the Eagles, I think.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, so Mitchell's done some work with him.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: It's so fun.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, so fun.
45:47
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, but I mean, like back to Nick, it's like you have Nick, and then you come over here and you've got exposure to Bob and Paul.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: So at at 22, 23, I spent 10 years just being a part of it.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: And I brought things into that culture that they appreciated because I had just come out of playing.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: So it's like they were, and but at the same time, like they were forward-thinking as you're just getting a woman on staff, right?
46:11
SPEAKER_02: Especially with Bob.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Well, and look how look how how long it look how few of us there are now.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: It is still not enough.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: I told you.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: I received it.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: I think there's so many components to it.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would I received I received a text from a friend who's also a college or uh MHSA coach, and he was like, if you win tomorrow's game, you'll become the winningest female coach in MHSA history in soccer in any division.
46:42
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, wait, well, wait, I'm about to play for my second.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: How is that possible?
46:47
SPEAKER_00: And when I looked it up, it I am now tied with a woman named Noreen who won in 1981 and 83.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: And at my banquet, I'm sobbing asking this culture of amazing people what took so long for another female to be there.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: What do you think it is?
47:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think I one, I have crazy support here, right?
47:13
SPEAKER_00: Athletics, the the admin here has supported me.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: When I had my kids, Glenn Schilling was pushing Jojo in a stroller around the field.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm coaching, I got Jojo.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: Mitchell used to just run around.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: Tricycle, I'd bring that bike and he'd go on his bike around it.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: But it was just like you've gotta find a place that appreciates you and your family if you want to have a family, right?
47:35
SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, I raised my kids in this environment on the sidelines, managers hanging out with my kids.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: And you know, my kids know no other than a mom that played D1 soccer and has has run this.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: Right.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: And and again, I went, you know, I played travel and won a national championship with ODP.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: The first time I saw a female coach, Tammy Anderson, senior year in February.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: We went down to Phoenix, right, for the national championship.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: But she wasn't even a head coach.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: No, she was Michigan State's assistant, and that was the first female I had ever seen.
48:11
SPEAKER_00: Forget being fantastic and amazing like she was.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: The first I'd seen.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: Michelle, Michelle Krisnik at Hawks, so she was Michelle Brock at Oakland, Jen Perkins.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Did you play with Michelle?
48:22
SPEAKER_00: No.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, in Women's League, in women's league.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's the older.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, and and and when I won, she was one of the first people that reached out to me thanking me for, you know, there's so few of us doing this.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: That's un and she doesn't care that it's high school soccer, and she's over there winning national championships with hawks.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: I've got a go right now.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've got a daughter that plays in that club.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate what she does.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: I've got I've got a kid that is wired to be a hawk.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: And Michelle is one of the first people reaching out to me, and so is Jen Perkins.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, thank you.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for doing this for girls.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: How many of our alumni are now coaching?
48:59
SPEAKER_02: I know Kayla is.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: Kayla is, I mean, so few.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, I I can't I can't even list.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: Why don't you I I like sadly think it's intimidating, right?
49:11
SPEAKER_00: It's like I I think sadly, soccer is still a man's world.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: And I'm okay with that.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: Did I have a problem with it playing in it?
49:21
SPEAKER_00: No, but not until I I got into coaching and and I told you like we pour into our culture, and I was sobbing at my banquet, explaining to these families of like, I wasn't raised in this environment.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: This is something I've created.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: It's fairy tale-like of like kids know what they're good at.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: Like, I was raised and we were belittled, berated.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: You were told you were fat and overweight, we had eating disorders and spent years in therapy, and we were not taught how to be teammates.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: And like my kids here because you're going against that person and you're trying to beat them out, and they're not friends.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: And my players will tell you how competitive it is.
50:02
SPEAKER_00: Like they were thanking me for training sessions I run.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is we are moving and there's purpose, and um, but they're friends, they hang out with each other all the time off the field.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: They were crying at the banquet that in the end they were fighting for more time together, more practices with popsicles, more games of capture the flag.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I bring beanbags and we play tag.
50:27
SPEAKER_00: They're like little kids, they just want to be together, but at the same time, you're doing something special.
50:34
SPEAKER_02: How many of them try to play the like their other sport here?
50:38
SPEAKER_02: How many of them try to like do it together?
50:41
SPEAKER_00: They all play field hockey.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: So Katie Guiman is is my assistant.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: She played at Indiana State.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: I won a state championship with her.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: I was her assistant.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: I knew nothing about field hockey, but she and I brought tactics from soccer.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: How long has she been here?
50:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to say like 11 years.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: Um and she and I brought tactics from soccer over to field hockey.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, sure, she's still doing it, and I'm not.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: I retired when we won a state championship.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but like the sticks coach.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: Why did you do that?
51:11
SPEAKER_00: Because I could.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: Because I could.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Right?
51:14
SPEAKER_00: And again, what's interesting.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying, why did you coach field hockey?
51:19
SPEAKER_00: Because she asked me, and it was like I I loved the idea of a challenge.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, I remember that.
51:23
SPEAKER_02: I saw that.
51:24
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, do you do how fun that was?
51:26
SPEAKER_02: Why are you coaching right now?
51:28
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and people were like, Why aren't you coaching club?
51:30
SPEAKER_00: Why what are you doing?
51:32
SPEAKER_00: Why aren't you giving in a club soccer or uh college and club soccer?
51:35
SPEAKER_00: And it was like, Do you know how special this is here?
51:37
SPEAKER_00: Do you have any idea?
51:39
SPEAKER_00: This is a college, this is a college, and this is not people's average high school experience.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: No, and again, I I'm proud of this.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: Of like, we picked up what Bob and Paul put in place, but it has evolved to be so much more, so much more.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because kids have evolved.
51:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, what's the next like vision?
51:59
SPEAKER_02: Because, like, okay, this wasn't here when I was here.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, what is gonna be here in 10 years that's not here now?
52:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, who knows?
52:08
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
52:09
SPEAKER_00: But that's that's the thing about it is like you have to be dialed in to where kids are at, what they're looking for, and again, kids want autonomy that we never had.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: They have Instagram and they can paint themselves to be whoever they want to be, whatever angle, whatever highlight reel.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: We had none of that.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they are challenging you as a coach and asking questions because it's their experience.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: We didn't have that.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: I just stood there and it was like whatever Nikos O'Shea said you did, right?
52:46
SPEAKER_00: Same thing in ODP.
52:47
SPEAKER_00: It was like, I'm so thankful to be here.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: Regional campus is great.
52:50
SPEAKER_00: Whatever you said.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm I I'm not I don't have an I don't get an opinion.
52:53
SPEAKER_02: Who else were your ODP coaches?
52:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had we had Rick Larson.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: Um legend.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, on the goalkeeping side, Jeff Shook, of course, Mark Hamilton.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you still have still have contact with those guys.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: Um Jeff Yeah.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's the same people.
53:12
SPEAKER_00: Like you you say, like, why is it so hard?
53:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm thankful for the men that are doing what they did, and they're still doing it.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: So it's like those are the same people that are providing something for my children, right?
53:24
SPEAKER_00: But it's like just there's just so few of us.
53:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think of like what women that I've coached that have gotten into coaching is really not that many.
53:39
SPEAKER_02: You know a few in Buffalo, luckily.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh Erica Demers is a good friend of mine.
53:43
SPEAKER_00: She and I played at Oakland.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: She's at Cincy right now.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: She went over to the Citadel, went with Dave Diani to Grand Valley, and then I followed him to Iowa.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's when on her own.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh God, was she in Tennessee or Alabama?
53:56
SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: And is now at Cincinnati.
53:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm in contact with her.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: We talk about, you know, I mean, that whole college sports world has evolved to be something different than we ever played in.
54:06
unknown: Right?
54:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's no interest.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: She's got parents reaching out, like parents contacting her.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, my parents never contacted Nico Shea.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: She wasn't picking up the phone.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: Also, in like, think about why would you want to be a coach with you just listed off Erica's stops?
54:23
SPEAKER_02: There's 10.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: Why you've been here for 20 years.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: Name a college coach outside like Anton Dorrance or legends that have been there for 20 years.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean, Jeff is gonna be there at state forever.
54:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:36
SPEAKER_02: And then Dave is gonna end there, end his career there.
54:39
SPEAKER_02: Because that's how he said, but how could you not?
54:41
SPEAKER_00: Look what he's done at Michigan State in the short term of you know, he's gonna come on too soon.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I tell my littlest all the time like, you should dream to play in Michigan, to play for Dave Deanni at U of M or Jeff at Michigan State.
54:55
SPEAKER_02: Or Lewis.
54:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, or Lewis, I want to start.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: What they have done right here in front of your friends, in front of your family, it's as good as it gets.
55:04
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to leave Michigan to have an elite soccer experience.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it wasn't always like that.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't always like that.
55:11
SPEAKER_02: No, and I I mean think about when uh Greg Ryan got here.
55:18
SPEAKER_02: That was right around the same time we were here.
55:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he was he was recruiting the world.
55:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like, dude, there's hawks right there, and this is back when Anna and like Vardar was legit on the girl side.
55:31
SPEAKER_02: Now they're not even they don't even have a girl side.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: It's right.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: They merged with Liverpool, yeah.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: Right.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: Which is also Andy's, like, I somebody brought up uh do you remember Andy's Bloomfield Force teams?
55:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that had like Haybar, yep, and had Jackie Karen.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: So I grew up in Grand Rapids.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: Laura Haybauer and I played for the same club, for the same coach.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: So she was his name was Glenn Turrick.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: She was little Laura and I was Dig Laura.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: We were we were Grassa that turned into Grand Valley, G V Grand Valley Soccer Club, okay, which then basically became Midwest.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I had left, and like, but I mean that was the grassroots soccer that was happening.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: She and I played for the same coach.
56:08
SPEAKER_00: I went over to Oakland and played for Andy, and Andy had her, and there was Jill, she was the goalie.
56:13
SPEAKER_00: There were three of them, and they were all coming over to force and they won a national championship.
56:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:18
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that?
56:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and it is.
56:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think it was coached a few years at Liverpool.
56:24
SPEAKER_00: It's those same guys that are still there.
56:26
SPEAKER_00: Steve Cook, right?
56:27
SPEAKER_00: Andy Wagstaff, Jen Perkins.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're they're good people doing good things over there.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: Demir is still there.
56:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had my kids there.
56:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Molly doesn't play there anymore, but it's a great club.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I teach at the lower school here.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm a P teacher.
56:43
SPEAKER_00: When you see a little girl that can clean up in Sharks and Minnows, right?
56:47
SPEAKER_00: She sees pathways and can accelerate.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: A simple six-year-old.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: I am having conversations with her parents of like, I got a sport for you and I have coaches for you.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: And I am calling up Jenna Taylor at Liverpool and Sam Harrington at MDA because little girls having Jenna or Sam, it's as good as it gets, right?
57:09
SPEAKER_00: 4v4 tactics, the on the ball skills they're learning.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: We had none of that.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: How old?
57:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they have they specialize in like six, seven, eight, nine-year-olds, and then they'll pass them on, right?
57:22
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have that.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: What are you teaching right now?
57:24
SPEAKER_00: So I teach PE and I have young fives to third grade.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: It's the best.
57:28
SPEAKER_02: You're Bob.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it's the best.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: If like I get to be a little kid and play every day.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: People are like, you look young.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I play every day.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: And then they come over here and we play, right?
57:40
SPEAKER_00: It's so fun.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: Why would I leave?
57:42
SPEAKER_00: And again, my kids go to school here.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, I can provide that for them.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: This Mitchell and Jojo both won two state championships this year, one in the fall and one in the spring.
57:55
SPEAKER_00: Jojo in volleyball.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: She was on my roster in soccer.
57:58
SPEAKER_00: He was in soccer and on the cross.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: How is it coaching your daughter?
58:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, I purposely never like at Liverpool, they were like, Do you want to pick up one of your kids' age groups?
58:09
SPEAKER_00: No.
58:10
SPEAKER_00: Because I knew one day I most likely would coach them here.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: And I think you need to hear, no, you're not good enough.
58:18
SPEAKER_00: That was amazing from somebody else besides your parents.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: Right?
58:22
SPEAKER_00: Of like, it's okay.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: The world is going to rate you and the world is gonna let you know you're not good enough.
58:29
SPEAKER_00: Let them, right?
58:30
SPEAKER_00: In a respectful way, right?
58:32
SPEAKER_00: Let them help help your kids be better.
58:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, so no, I never did.
58:38
SPEAKER_00: And so to have Jojo on my team this year, I mean, she she gave up soccer a few years ago.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: She plays volleyball.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: She's six feet tall.
58:46
SPEAKER_00: I never thought she'd be six feet tall.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: But again, like to look how tall is Mitchell?
58:51
SPEAKER_00: He's 5'10.
58:53
SPEAKER_02: She's taller.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: She's towering.
58:56
SPEAKER_02: Towering.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: I guess, yeah, she is taller in nature.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: But I always assume she's wearing heels or something.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, her like femur is just like in what's wild is a couple years ago.
59:05
SPEAKER_02: How is the little one?
59:06
SPEAKER_02: Or how tall is the little one?
59:08
SPEAKER_00: She's I don't I think she'll be more like Mitch.
59:10
SPEAKER_00: Like I think she'll be like my height, five, six.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: So rapid.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: It's still really good.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: She lives for the beep test, right?
59:16
SPEAKER_00: Like she's that kind of kid, right?
59:19
SPEAKER_00: She lives to run it again, right?
59:21
SPEAKER_00: I told you, she lives for Nick Darren sessions.
59:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, oh my god.
59:25
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, like, she might never play for me.
59:28
SPEAKER_00: People ask me that all the time.
59:29
SPEAKER_00: Why do you ever at hawks?
59:31
SPEAKER_00: Because she deserves to be at hawks.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: She is wired that way.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: She wants to be around the most competitive kids in the most competitive environment.
59:39
SPEAKER_00: She wants the straight facts.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: She wants you to look at her and say, that wasn't good enough.
59:44
SPEAKER_00: And that's what Hawks are.
59:46
SPEAKER_00: I I appreciate what Michelle and Doug do there.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: And like again.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: 2014.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so she'll show she has to repeat uh 9v9 again.
59:54
SPEAKER_00: But again, do I know what she's gonna be in?
59:57
SPEAKER_00: It's great.
59:58
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so great.
59:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but do I know what she's gonna be in September birthday?
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: She's August.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: So she just so she wasn't that cut off.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_00: And then remember they came back a couple months later, and you were like, and you know it was gonna be September 1st.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: I hated on it for a while.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm gonna be honest, I was that soccer parent asking questions, calling up my friends at Liverpool and calling up Hawks, like Michelle's a good friend of mine.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: She spent an hour on the phone listening to my concerns of like Molly played up uh at Liverpool 9v9 on my team.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_00: So I coached the 2013.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: She played up and we played up.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: She played up two years at Liverpool.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_00: Then her own team played up.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: I brought her over to Hawks, she'll have played five years of 9v9.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_00: And again, at first I got caught.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be honest, I got caught up.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_02: You wanted her to move up and go play 11v11.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_00: If she plays every minute on her current age group and contributes, she plays, she's a center midi, she's in the gap, right?
1:00:56
SPEAKER_00: She's technical, she can turn, she can thread, she can find through balls.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: I was over there asking Hawks of like, if she starts and plays every minute and she has Sammy, he's amazing.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_02: Bow Tang.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: Why are you doing this to her?
1:01:11
SPEAKER_00: Because, in my opinion, it was like your the way it worked, the U12 group she's going down into, the majority of those kids are going down to be the age group below.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: So if she was falling into this unknown of like two of her peers were coming down, what's the makeup of this this new team gonna be?
1:01:33
SPEAKER_00: And she's deserving of a competitive environment.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_00: And that was like, you know what?
1:01:36
SPEAKER_00: At the end, Michelle's like, you have to trust me that I'm gonna patch this up, that this is Hawks, new kids will come.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_00: And again, do I want her on the ball on a 9v9 field?
1:01:47
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_02: Does that happen?
1:01:50
SPEAKER_02: Because in my role in Buffalo, I was basically the bird of like I just got kids.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_02: I never worked at a club outside of Flash for that one year.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: And eventually kids do come.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: The kids from three hours away or two hours away come.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_02: And like the nine-year-old parents are like, man, we're not good.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_02: We're not good.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_02: Dude, you don't have the Canadians yet.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, calm down.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get all the Pennsylvania kids coming up.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get the biggest.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna hate it.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna hate it because your kid is not gonna be what they are right now.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_02: It's like you're the best right now.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: Cherish this moment because they're not gonna be.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: At 11, kids coming over the border on her team, and a teammate from Portland coming every single time.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_00: They don't even question it.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_00: 11 years old.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: Portland, that's like three hours away, isn't it?
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, with traffic.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I mean, that's what hawks are.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_00: And again, I appreciate that.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_00: What does that look like for Molly when she's here with the two sport model?
1:02:50
SPEAKER_00: How does she get her point?
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_02: But I already have her playing a little bit of volleyball because um one I yeah, because they're gonna be full year if she's you know, if we if she she if she if she stays and she decides this is the path I'm on, yeah.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you could bull, she could manage, right?
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: Which is cool.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: You get point, you get a blue point if you manage, and that's how those boys did the film and your so we've got kids here taking photography, sports photography.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_00: We have kids announcing games that want to go into broadcasting.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_00: We have kids and they get a point for wild, the two guys that got their point and did film for me and scouting reports.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: I said to them, if you have an interest in getting into coaching one day, you've got to leg up on everybody already because you are analyzing film.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: I I asked them, give me, give me the give me the formation, highlight their two best players, tell me their weakness.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, how does my how do my team stack up against their team?
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: And they're asked to do this all year long.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_00: I give them feedback that was a great report, right?
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: They're looking at um huddle tracking data, right?
1:04:06
SPEAKER_00: They're exporting me spreadsheets again.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_00: If that's what you want to get into, and at 16, 17, and 18 years old, you're spending a season doing that, it makes you a better player.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that's what kids can do here.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_00: It's so ridiculous.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's a it's a school for the motivated, right?
1:04:28
SPEAKER_00: You wanna take a look at that that screen we looked at, and you want you wanna get into film?
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: Nan, we've got a pathway for you.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: That's wild.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_02: Can you okay, how many seniors are you losing?
1:04:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh, god, you were gonna put me on the spot.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say I'm gonna say six.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_00: Six or seven.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_00: Not to go there.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_02: I know.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_02: Name where they're going.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_02: Where are they don't I don't care?
1:04:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't care if they're playing soccer or Jenna's going to Harvard.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_00: Elise is gonna play volleyball at Columbia.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay, those are two awful schools.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_00: I got two kids going to U of M.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, U of M is the lower.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_00: It's the norm.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_00: It's the norm.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:05:12
SPEAKER_00: Of like, again, I I'm close with my alumni.
1:05:17
SPEAKER_00: They were part of this this journey this spring.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: They come back and they were like, I was over prepared for college.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_02: I was over-prepared.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about this because oh go go ahead.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we are teaching our kids how to use AI here.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_00: We're not scared of it.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:05:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're because what's everybody talking about?
1:05:37
SPEAKER_02: Oh, AI is gonna take everybody's jobs, not country day kids.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh, not country day.
1:05:41
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna run the AI.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is wild.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: So it's like their writing skills, their speaking skills, they have to take public speaking.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: So go into okay, the homework.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_02: I remember when those kids were so stressed out with homework.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, all right.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie, it's not changed.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: I come from Lake Orion High School.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: We had block scheduling.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_02: So we only had four classes a day.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_02: So an hour and 45 minutes-ish for each class.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_02: Name a teacher that wants to teach for an hour and 45 minutes.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_02: So what happens?
1:06:18
SPEAKER_02: They teach for an hour and then they give you 45 minutes to do your homework in there.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_02: We never had to do homework.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, what's wild is we have a rotating schedule.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_00: Because like if you always have math first block and you show up late or you're kind of groggy, you're not, you're not a morning person, it really doesn't show what a math student you are.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_00: But every day it rotates.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: So like if you had block one Monday morning, you have two Tuesday Tuesday morning.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_00: And so it rotates because guess what?
1:06:51
SPEAKER_00: Like everybody's not the same person in the afternoon, or everybody's not the same person before lunch.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_00: But the schedule rotates, which is interesting.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_02: I've heard some other schools do that, and I still don't understand.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_00: But I mean are I've got two kids in the upper school.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_00: Do they spend a lot of time being just a student here?
1:07:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_02: Because I remember Brett's oldest son.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_02: What's his name?
1:07:19
SPEAKER_02: Or Bob Brett.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_02: Brett is the younger son.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_02: And then yeah, Bob's Ben.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_02: Ben.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_02: I remember hearing a story about how he was on academic probation here.
1:07:30
unknown: Yeah.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_02: He graduated from Michigan State in three years.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, his son went on to be one an engineer and the other attorney.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_02: And he went until he got into law school, Michigan State Law School, like that.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, yeah.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_02: That's kind of true.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is a stepping ground for anything you want to do.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_00: Anything.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_00: Again, their habits, the discipline.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: Did you go to private?
1:07:57
SPEAKER_00: No, I went to East County.
1:07:58
SPEAKER_00: See, Grand Rapids.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_00: You went to East County.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_00: Massive public school.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: Massive.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: This is nothing, this is nothing like that.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_00: Did you guys win the States?
1:08:07
SPEAKER_00: No, we were horrible.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_00: Not until John Conlon came in.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_00: He's a good friend of mine.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: John Conland came in.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay, somebody cleaned that up.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_02: Somebody just DM'd me.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_02: He's like, you need to get John Conlin on.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh okay, because he's at MFA or Grand Rapids, B C R.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like you know what he did at East Cameron on the boys' side for for years.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_00: And then now he's at Byron Center on the girls' side.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: He won a state championship last year.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I've never even heard of it.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_02: My parents, that's where I'm from.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_00: Like that, like Caledonia, Kentwood, Byron Center border.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_00: It was cornfields when I grew up.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: There was nothing there.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because then everybody moved out there.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_02: And now it's built up.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you can build a new house for my parents just went out there for like a parade of homes thing.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a it's a lot different than Oakland County, the cost of living, right?
1:08:52
SPEAKER_00: And so he's a great coach, he's super knowledgeable.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, East County was we were nothing.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_02: But think about it.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, I remember complaining about how on the west or on the east side, we had to go through a gauntlet, yeah, and then all the west side states or uh schools would just run to states like easy.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_02: Now it might actually be harder over there.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_00: Well, and what's interesting is like uh we played Shrine, Marion, and Troy this year.
1:09:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, all those three teams went on and played in the state finals.
1:09:27
SPEAKER_02: Who did Troy lose to from the final?
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: Marion did Rockford.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_02: Rockford.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_00: I thought it was private school.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_00: I thought all four.
1:09:35
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no, not in the D1 category.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_00: Men's soccer.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_00: I think there was like a little bit of talk about in men's soccer.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_00: I just saw that all four were private schools.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, Rockford one, Grand Rapids.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_00: On the rural side, yeah.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_00: So it was Harbor Springs, somewhere in Harbor Springs, played Shrine.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_00: We had played Shrine, mercied them, right?
1:09:55
SPEAKER_00: In D2, it was Hudsonville Unity, which like he's a legend.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: Who is that?
1:10:01
SPEAKER_00: Randy Heathhouse.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_00: He has more state championships on the women's side than anybody.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he surpassed what what uh was done at Marion with Barry and what Bob has done.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's he was the Laura Haybauer.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_00: She went on and married one of his sons.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
1:10:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so she's got his same last name, right?
1:10:23
SPEAKER_02: Is she out here?
1:10:24
SPEAKER_02: Is she back?
1:10:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's got daughters that play.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_02: She should coach.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_00: I you know, she I still have contact with her.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_00: She might be coaching.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_00: Don't quote me, but she might, she's in the game still.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: She had a small stint at Flash right before I got there.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they brought her in for a do you remember that injury she had at Michigan State, like a complete tibia shattered uh tib fib?
1:10:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a heart injury to come back from.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she was a monster.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_00: She was unbelievable.
1:10:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was just so we double manned marker in the like the oh six or oh so we're around there.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_00: It was like, all right, we made it, and then we were playing them, and it's like, you know, you're watching film, or or back then we didn't really have film.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_00: So Bob sent you and I.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_00: So it's like he'd be coaching the game, yeah, you'd be in one location, I'd be in Grand Rapids.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we were like, there was no texting, you'd be calling, like, what's the score?
1:11:17
SPEAKER_00: We don't even know there was no way to keep up.
1:11:19
SPEAKER_00: And are all my efforts for something?
1:11:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, did we even beat Flint Powers?
1:11:23
SPEAKER_00: Are we even advancing?
1:11:24
SPEAKER_02: See, that was an education too.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_02: It's like learning how to scout under those two, yeah.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_02: And the pregame meetings, yeah.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, I never had a pregame meeting, I didn't even have pregame meetings really in college.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_00: And like the learning importance that's stressed on the regular season because it means nothing.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_00: Like he's the one that taught me like, why do you care about your record?
1:11:47
SPEAKER_00: The the regular season, everybody advances, so every single team gets to start fresh in districts, right?
1:11:53
SPEAKER_00: So if you view the regular season as a learning experience, I changed formations.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_00: I switched kids.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: I had kids in the back that were, you know, that were playing the nine at the beginning of the year.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you play around and you look for chemistry.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_00: I learned that from him and like rhythm, right?
1:12:09
SPEAKER_00: That that momentum, all purpose and practice, right?
1:12:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I learned all those things from him.
1:12:17
SPEAKER_02: The one thing that I always thought was funny when I got here was that he still played like sweeper stopper.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, He called it the five-hole, yeah.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_02: The five-hole, yeah, because it was a Brazilian term when Brazil was here and whatnot.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: We used it in field hockey.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_00: We brought that up.
1:12:36
SPEAKER_02: I still, when I coached teams, I would call it the five-hole.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah, because well, not only that, I think kids, if you think it's funny and we don't play like that.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I did have a double pivot at one point this year, but like I don't But defensively, it's it still makes sense because so many goals come from that area.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you need a really quick kid that's playing sweeper.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_00: If if you're gonna give them all that space out wide, you gotta have the right kid do that.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_00: It's been years and and in a couple years I might need it again for like a year or two till we till we build back because the concentration of my kids are rising juniors.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I have like 12, and most of them start.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, you I you can't be locked into any one formation.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_00: And then throughout the year, and opponents, I mean, my players learn we can change formations on the fly.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_00: They've sat in many by the time they got to that state finals game, the exposure they had.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't have that as kids.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean, exposure?
1:13:32
SPEAKER_00: Just exposure to different tactics and formations.
1:13:34
SPEAKER_00: We didn't have that.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_00: It was buy-in.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, we will be playing in this formation and you will learn to play in that formation.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_02: And you didn't question it.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_02: There was no changing.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_00: No, and now, like, you can.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, my players can neutralize strengths of other they understand it, right?
1:13:51
SPEAKER_00: Of like, this is what this their nine does, this is what their 10 does, the seven's super rapid.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna take you and put you over here.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: And like, I built my team.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was like well, these heemster and goal six foot tall.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Jenna Shaban, that D3 returning player of the year, plays a center back for Demir.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_00: She plays center back for me next to Julia, who's a G A Rising, Ava Amezqua, um Georgia Hopkins is another GA rising.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_00: She won a national championship with them last year.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: And like Charlotte Duras is probably five, ten, maybe I don't just size.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_00: They could play so physical up the middle.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_00: Like Du Vos Du Ross.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_03: Du Ross.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_00: And then it was like, I had kids that were so creative and so rapid playing the 7 and the 11, and like it was some good high school soccer.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_02: How many girls do you have G A or ECNL on the roster?
1:14:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh this year was quite small.
1:14:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Jenna was the only ECNL.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh Ali Asad is going to play uh Liverpool RL, so she can play high school.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_00: She had left MDA.
1:15:04
SPEAKER_02: The Liverpool ECNL are are going full year?
1:15:08
SPEAKER_00: They of their rising freshman and sophomore are this coming year.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_00: So that'll be interesting.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we a lot of us are questioning that.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_02: Wait, they are doing that?
1:15:17
SPEAKER_00: They are.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I I love Liverpool, but they've got a niche group of people who love playing high school athletics, and how some people were angry.
1:15:26
SPEAKER_02: But how much of that is trying to keep up with the Hawks?
1:15:28
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_02: You gotta offer what and the nationals are the same thing.
1:15:32
SPEAKER_02: It's like you gotta keep up with the biggest game in town.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I picked up Scarlet Scarlet this year.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_00: She was a nationals player and was changing clubs mid-year, so I picked her up for high school.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then uh I mean, that was probably it, but like I've seen you before, you see average experience, like ROFC and MDA, the coaches that are coaching those teams are not dads.
1:16:02
SPEAKER_00: No, they are former players, exactly.
1:16:04
SPEAKER_02: With MDA, isn't that like Paul Thomas?
1:16:07
SPEAKER_00: And like, yeah, yeah, it was the break off of like United merged with sporting and then spun off again.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_02: But like And then Royal Oak.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_00: If if the majority of my kids grew up in those or or or were Hawks kids through middle school and then got burnt out or whatever, they're still gonna be ahead.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_02: Go into that.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_02: You were you were really adamant about that before we started, about like how much better you think the kids are than when we were here, and we had some balls, yeah, we had some nasty.
1:16:38
SPEAKER_00: And again, like I said, pe people wanna, and I love to say this shit on high school soccer because East Nall players can't play, and those top GA kids can't play.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_00: But if everybody else, you never had a whole team of kids that were tippy top.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_00: So if the whole bottom is where the middle was, and the middle is near the top, do you know how I a player 12 and 13?
1:17:02
SPEAKER_00: I um the game never changed when I subbed them in.
1:17:04
SPEAKER_00: Right, and they are better than those kids on those teams 20 years ago.
1:17:08
SPEAKER_02: I get so annoyed when people are like, Well, do you know how many kids are aren't able to play high school soccer?
1:17:15
SPEAKER_02: I was like, it's not that many.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_02: No, the kids are really not.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_02: You just named off three, and one of them's RL.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_00: It's like that's not that many.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_00: No, and not only that, I mean, you look at the statistics that's given up of girls quitting soccer, they're quitting at 12 and 13 because of pressure, social pressure, burnout, injury.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're everybody wants to be good at something, so it's like maybe I wasn't really good, but I might be good at volleyball.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_00: That's not gonna be.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: How much of it is that?
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: I honestly think huge part of it, right?
1:17:44
SPEAKER_02: I saw a tweet like not too long ago about like uh eighth grade is when you realize, okay, I'm really good at this, I'm not that good at that.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_02: Not as good.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to do that.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_00: Eighth grade girls have generally reached full maturation of like, I say this all the time.
1:17:59
SPEAKER_00: Like a somebody will ask me about like a high school kid, and like high school girls are pretty much as quick as they're ever gonna be freshman year, and you see a decline where guys, small, undersized freshmen, who they are senior year, Mitchell Mitchell could still hit a growth spur and be 6'2, right?
1:18:20
SPEAKER_00: And you just you don't know because guys are different, right?
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: But it's like girls, they're pretty much fully grown, they don't like not being good at something.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_00: And if I can step over here and do this, or I also get kids that quit soccer, hated it, and I am like, I've known you since you were a little girl.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_00: Come back out, trust me.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_00: And kids are like, Okay, I need a point.
1:18:41
SPEAKER_00: Not I need a point, or thank you.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_00: I never thought I could fall back in love with this.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_00: And again, they're leaving having had a better experience than they ever had.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: Or they're they're leaving athletics in general and going on to college and like what a great end cap for those kids to graduate with this experience and then carry that with them for the rest of life and go do amazing things in academics, go be amazing people, they'll carry the lessons they learned from here into life.
1:19:11
SPEAKER_02: But go in more about like because we all taught we we've already taught about the the uh just knowing the game, just the knowledge of the game.
1:19:22
SPEAKER_02: Is that because of being able to watch it on TV or FIFA?
1:19:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_02: Or is the coaches better at club?
1:19:29
SPEAKER_00: Like we have YouTube TV.
1:19:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my kids can see any game of like in years past.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: They're probably loving the World Cup, right?
1:19:37
SPEAKER_00: It's just on all the time.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, sit down and watch this, or like, oh, I want to go back and watch that, or like we didn't have that.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_02: No, we made my first introduction into watching soccer was the 94 World Cup, yeah.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_02: And that was still only uh really the only time that I got to watch it until the following year.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_02: I think it was like we had Copa America for some reason on.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that was it, yeah.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and as a female, the 99 World Cup team, you're standing there in front of that screen.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_00: Kate, shout out to Kate Marker, Brandy Chesting.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_00: I was just talking about this with someone, they were like, Coach, and I was like standing there watching Brand, she's like ripping her shirt off, and you're like, She's a badass.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I'd never seen anything in my life like that.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: And like my players, they've got their own film.
1:20:28
SPEAKER_00: They can watch, they can watch Premier League, they can watch World Cup, they can watch it back if they're busy, and Will.
1:20:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, right?
1:20:36
SPEAKER_00: You can watch little local low-level pro teams here, right?
1:20:41
SPEAKER_00: You can go watch DCFC, yeah.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_00: You can go watch DCFC men's team, right?
1:20:45
SPEAKER_00: You can go watch Messi now, right?
1:20:47
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so there's the thing is people's just base knowledge, technical ability.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_00: Look at what Aaron Bird is doing.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my kids grew up in his sessions, exactly can still go.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they they do a lot with John Arnt, right?
1:21:04
SPEAKER_00: They run some pick your poison, right?
1:21:07
SPEAKER_00: Like we got Nick Darren doing this over here, right?
1:21:10
SPEAKER_02: And there's multiple kids.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_02: Like Aaron Bird cannot train every single kid, right?
1:21:14
SPEAKER_02: Although he would if he could, right?
1:21:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, but it's unbelievable.
1:21:20
SPEAKER_02: Do you ever wish, like, man, I wish I had this growing up?
1:21:23
SPEAKER_02: You're like, look what I did.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_02: Not even with not even country day, not just like with minimal.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was like, hey, I heard something about ODP mom.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_00: And good thing you had a mom that was willing to drive you across the state.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_02: Do you wish that was still like a thing?
1:21:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, people ask me about that all the time.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_00: It was the only pathway we had.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they're like, Oh, should I put my kid in it?
1:21:44
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_00: All right, you live in Metro Detroit, you've got exposure from nationals, Jags, Hawks.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_00: You don't need it.
1:21:55
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you lived in the middle of nowhere in Iowa, yes, you need it.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_00: Yep, you need it.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_00: A thousand we do not need it.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_02: No, we don't.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, somebody, somebody that plays for Hawks is like, do I need to go to uh collar showcase?
1:22:09
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_02: Do I need to do I need to sign up with NCSA?
1:22:14
SPEAKER_00: No, even all the um no college ID sessions, oh my god, those are money makers.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, they're looking for you.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: Like Molly was at a pre-ECNL event in Chicago, and it was piggybacked with like Oh, yeah, I heard who all who was there.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_02: Michigan was there, Michigan State was there.
1:22:32
SPEAKER_00: They were all there, they were all there, and so my little 11-year-old, my 11-year-old is sitting at the corner flag watching the 2010 Hawks play.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_00: The amount of college scouts were there, and you're there as a parent, like, yeah, if this is where she wants to go, this is where we need to be.
1:22:49
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_00: See it, it's crystal clear.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're looking for you, and that and and part of what bothers me is like there's a lot of misinformation.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_00: I wish clubs were clear with families and kids about where they accurately stood and where it could really get them because there are people paying a lot of money sitting in some low-level roster spots on some ECNL teams that are never gonna get where they think they're going to.
1:23:20
SPEAKER_00: But nobody's giving them accurate uh information.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_00: Of like tell me where we really stand and tell me what the ceiling really is for my kid, and then we can decide as a family do we want to spend this time and this money or do we want to have uh an amazing high school soccer experience?
1:23:41
SPEAKER_00: But like clubs don't do a good job.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_02: No, because they try to sell it as every kid can make it here.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_02: It's a business, and okay, yeah, sure.
1:23:50
SPEAKER_02: You had 18 out of 18 go on to play D1.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_02: How many of those transferred in the first year?
1:23:56
SPEAKER_00: How many of those kids got playing time?
1:23:58
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_02: That's unheard of.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_00: Did you play as a freshman?
1:24:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I redshirted.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_00: You redshirted I redshirted freshman year.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_00: What position did you play?
1:24:06
SPEAKER_00: So I started as a goalkeeper.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_00: So okay, so in high school, I I my my dad was like, even when I was little, you will not specialize, you will learn to play on the field.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_00: And this was before goalkeepers were taught to play with their feet.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_00: So I was who I was because he was like, you will not, you will not, and you will not play indoor soccer, you'll take time off.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_00: And so it's crazy.
1:24:28
SPEAKER_00: Like my entire career.
1:24:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you went and you won a national championship with ODP.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I went over and I I uh I redshirted as a goalkeeper.
1:24:40
SPEAKER_00: I played a second year, Sarah Buckland played over me.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_00: And I looked at Nick one day and I said, I don't want to do this anymore.
1:24:48
SPEAKER_00: I want to do something else.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_00: And he looked at me like, what the fuck are you talking about?
1:24:52
SPEAKER_00: You're here in a scholarship.
1:24:53
SPEAKER_00: And it was like, I don't want to do this.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_00: I think I've reached my ceiling.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I can really be any better than I am, and I want to play in the field for you.
1:25:01
SPEAKER_00: Take my scholarship away.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_00: I will show you.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: And I started and played as a center back every single game, played more minutes than anyone, and got my scholarship back in the end.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_00: And to me, like my parents let me do that.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, not everybody's parent is like, wait, wait, wait.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_00: What?
1:25:22
SPEAKER_00: You want to do what?
1:25:24
SPEAKER_00: But again, we didn't have next level where goalkeepers, I mean, goalkeepers are as good at their feet as as field players are.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_02: We didn't have goalkeeper trainers.
1:25:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't, and and the game we didn't reset and play back through our goalkeeper.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_00: The game was super direct.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_02: If we started, you could pass back to us and we could pick it up.
1:25:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that and like we didn't build out of the back, we didn't take goal kicks where we built out of the back.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_02: One of my biggest knocks was uh the of like my recruiting profile is like your distribution's not far enough.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm like if I can if I could go back and be in today's modern game, yeah, I would have been yeah, much better suited.
1:26:05
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, but like because I was I specialized, but I was never pinholed, and I was athletic in D1 soccer, I switched positions and could still contribute, right?
1:26:20
SPEAKER_02: You're the reverse Eric Poge.
1:26:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:26:22
SPEAKER_00: And Michelle was actually just telling when I was questioning Hawks of is this what you're supposed to do with my kid?
1:26:27
SPEAKER_00: Is she supposed to somebody took offense to me questioning of like, do you see my daughter?
1:26:34
SPEAKER_00: And Michelle was like, Laura, I had to say to them, Laura is atypical, she is not just a mom questioning, she's been there, and she was an athlete and she knows what her daughter's capable of.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_00: My youngest will rip your head off.
1:26:49
SPEAKER_00: She's wired that way, right?
1:26:51
SPEAKER_00: Of like, again, when we played, you didn't have parents who had had experiences.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_00: You now have parents whose kids are playing, and we had experiences.
1:27:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, I run into Ryan Rezepka all the time.
1:27:04
SPEAKER_00: He played at Oakland when I did.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh you run into him at next level, or his kids were at Liverpool, his kids are now at Nationals, and like these are just average parents whose kids are playing.
1:27:18
SPEAKER_00: That's complicated, or that's fantastic, either way you look at it, right?
1:27:23
SPEAKER_00: But like, I'm not the average parent, and generally I'm sitting at the corner flag in the game saying nothing.
1:27:30
SPEAKER_02: That's the best thing.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_00: I have nothing to say.
1:27:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I just had James Rent on from Jags, and he doesn't Nick Darren coaches his son.
1:27:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_02: And he doesn't do anything with the team, and he's just over there in the corner, and then parents will come to him and be like, should I be upset about that?
1:27:50
SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, don't, no.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't wear Hawks t shirts.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't wear Hawks colors.
1:27:55
SPEAKER_00: You look around at the parents.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, though.
1:27:58
SPEAKER_02: Do you wear country day stuff?
1:27:59
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_00: And then people and then people only if I'm coming from practice, but like I'm just somebody's mom.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, here she is recruiting.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just somebody's mom.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_00: And like, um I saw that information years ago of like what your child really needs to hear from you is I loved watching you play.
1:28:16
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:28:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't need you to be anything more than you need for yourself to be.
1:28:20
SPEAKER_00: But if you want to be there, I'll help you get there.
1:28:24
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:28:25
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that's what makes for driven kids.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_00: When can when parents are pulling, you don't reach your ceiling.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_00: When kids are pushing, you reach your ceiling.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that your kids let's talk, let's say Mitchell and Jojo.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_02: Do you think they have more self-awareness because of this place?
1:28:46
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and you know, he's not gonna love me saying this, but it was like this spring, he's like, I hate lacrosse.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_02: He won't watch it.
1:28:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
1:28:55
SPEAKER_00: He hated lacrosse because he wasn't playing.
1:28:58
SPEAKER_00: And I'm okay with that for him.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_00: Because if you walk on the field this fall and you had never played in goal, but you are a kid that can punt a ball 60 yards, you are a kid that grew up playing at our uh ROFC in Liverpool as a second, and you have they could play back to him.
1:29:17
SPEAKER_00: He walked in and contributed and won a state championship.
1:29:20
SPEAKER_00: And in football, what he gets done, like you can't have the tippy top experience everywhere you go, and that's life.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, someone's gonna be better than you somewhere.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_00: Now, could you be like really and so like I love that for him?
1:29:34
SPEAKER_00: And I told my girls, like Mitch is over here, like, but it's okay to like be second best sometime.
1:29:41
SPEAKER_02: I think sports is our last thing where it's acceptable to not be good at it, although parents want to still control that situation.
1:29:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, why is you want to know why?
1:29:52
SPEAKER_00: They don't like being uncomfortable, they don't like because for some reason parents think it's a reflection of them that their kids on a second team, it's embarrassing for them.
1:30:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's funny, but you know what?
1:30:03
SPEAKER_00: Some of the best high school players, they were on second and third teams when they're little because the kids that excelled at in the beginning, but like developers, yeah, and so like you know, that's why I think club soccer is great because there is a place for everyone.
1:30:19
SPEAKER_00: And then if you love the game and you physically develop and you put the time in, those are the kids on the top roster spots at the end.
1:30:26
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:30:28
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we all knock it and say it's a business, but at the same time, if you only had one team, the kids that might be something and excel over the kids that are thriving at seven, they never had a home.
1:30:40
SPEAKER_00: And so they quit soccer and they went to play something else.
1:30:44
SPEAKER_00: And so, like, as much as we are like, oh, it's such a business, and there's an A B C D E F G H team, you never know.
1:30:52
SPEAKER_02: Literally.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Jojo, when she grew so rapidly, and Kim Lockhart, our volleyball coach, was like, she needs to play volleyball last year as an eighth grader, had never played.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_00: Kids had been playing club volleyball since second grade, she never played.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_00: Our Kim Lockhart was like, take any roster spot you're given.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_00: And in one year, she's on a second team.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_00: In one year of playing.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_00: And you know, does she have the challenges of mastering all the technical nuances?
1:31:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but she's an athlete, right?
1:31:23
SPEAKER_00: And so what's crazy is like you don't know where your kid is going to end.
1:31:29
SPEAKER_00: Do they even like it?
1:31:30
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:31:31
SPEAKER_00: Do they even want to do it?
1:31:32
SPEAKER_00: It's a lot of time and a lot of money if you're pulling your kid along.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_02: And you said that like the parents don't like being uncomfortable.
1:31:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they don't like it.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_02: That was my mom watching me in goal.
1:31:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like my mom had like, I'm so stressed watching you.
1:31:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you do that?
1:31:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, are you stressed?
1:31:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, what?
1:31:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, stressed about what?
1:31:51
SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting.
1:31:52
SPEAKER_00: Elise Heemstraw, who had never played, stepped in goal for us, second, second team all state this year and won a state championship.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_00: Her parents, high-level volleyball players, dad coached her in softball.
1:32:04
SPEAKER_00: They spent all spring like, this is so stressful, and like we can't even tell what's going on.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_00: And it was like in the end, bullshit.
1:32:10
SPEAKER_00: I know that you knew what we could do and how the back line and what she could do.
1:32:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, I know that you could see, I mean, where most goalkeepers like could hardly parry upper 90.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_00: She just like drop stepped and like I we never got one flighted service scored over us this year.
1:32:32
SPEAKER_00: This hasn't hurt us healthology, six feet.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_00: But again, like they're like, oh, it's so stressful.
1:32:38
SPEAKER_00: And it was so, it was like, no, deep down, I know you knew she was an athlete.
1:32:42
SPEAKER_00: And also volleyball.
1:32:44
SPEAKER_00: She won our athletic cup of channel.
1:32:45
SPEAKER_02: She knows how to judge a ball out of the air, right?
1:32:47
SPEAKER_00: And her dad was saying third base, so she played third base.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_00: So she was like the rare, like what's crazy is to be six feet tall, like goalkeepers generally get scored on right here, right?
1:32:58
SPEAKER_00: They just can't get down.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, she played back row in high school, so she's back row digging, she's collecting and and hitting in the front row.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_00: She played like that's an athlete.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_00: And when she won our athletic cup, which is a huge honor here, right?
1:33:12
SPEAKER_00: It's this huge, beautiful cup, and it goes to the most talented athletic male and talented athletic female.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's a shoe-in.
1:33:21
SPEAKER_02: How what what year is she?
1:33:24
SPEAKER_00: Senior.
1:33:25
SPEAKER_02: Because I wonder, I wonder, I know nobody gets recruited out of high school.
1:33:31
SPEAKER_02: I think goalkeepers still can.
1:33:33
SPEAKER_02: So what's wild is especially goalkeepers because how much you're so you're peppered.
1:33:38
SPEAKER_02: Being being a goalkeeper for Hawks isn't really gonna be very good for you because you're not gonna face it.
1:33:45
SPEAKER_00: Until you are a sophomore, junior, senior.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_00: Don't do it until then.
1:33:48
SPEAKER_00: That's my opinion.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_00: Forget peppered, exactly, and then be the best, and then go get seen where you need to be seen when you need to be seen.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_02: But you were gonna say something about high school.
1:33:58
SPEAKER_02: Um recruiting.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_00: No, I I don't know.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_00: I was just talking about Elise.
1:34:02
SPEAKER_00: I I mean, that's an athlete, right?
1:34:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know what I was saying.
1:34:07
SPEAKER_00: When we played Marion, God, he outshot us a zillion.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_00: We had one attempt at goal at the end and scored.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_00: He was talking about her.
1:34:15
SPEAKER_00: Troy's coach, who's in you know, some college soccer, was like, where is she committed?
1:34:22
SPEAKER_00: In that first game in Marion, she had never been in goal, she had never played soccer, had no understanding, stood on her head, frustrated the hell out of Marion.
1:34:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah, and again, who couldn't look at her and say, I can do something with her.
1:34:39
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:34:40
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, she's already committed and gonna do amazing things.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_02: But like athletes or athletes, athletes with size is that the Columbia.
1:34:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's Columbia.
1:34:48
SPEAKER_00: Athletes with size?
1:34:50
SPEAKER_00: Look, we just had our setter here just uh committed this week to LSU.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_00: LSU flew up here to watch Country Day volleyball this fall, and they were sitting in the stands behind me.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_00: Her name's Peyton.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's different.
1:35:03
SPEAKER_00: She's the number one setter, this teeny little thing of like again, you played high school volleyball.
1:35:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:35:11
SPEAKER_03: Then soccer.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:35:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_02: Does JoJo want to play volleyball?
1:35:17
SPEAKER_02: She does.
1:35:17
SPEAKER_02: In college?
1:35:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_00: What's that recruiting so she's just you know what's what's interesting about her is so all my kids did young fives because I believe that young fives is special, and it's an advantage going in Mitchell's 18 going into his senior year, not 18 going to freshman year of college.
1:35:36
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_00: Um when she decided late, I want to play volleyball.
1:35:41
SPEAKER_00: Late.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_00: What's interesting is in volleyball, so she played, you put you play at your grade level.
1:35:47
SPEAKER_00: So she's a rising sophomore.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_00: She just finished freshman year.
1:35:51
SPEAKER_02: That's how soccer should be, by the way.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_00: Well, what's interesting is junior year, she will no, no, no, my bad.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_00: My bad.
1:35:58
SPEAKER_00: Right now, she's up with her birth year.
1:36:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:36:01
SPEAKER_00: So she's up with her birth year, freshman, sophomore year.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_00: Junior year, she will reclass down into her grade level.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_00: And so she's got some like short-term, long-term plans of like really when I want to be who I want to be is that year that I drop down with my grade level peers.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_02: This settle, uh, setter.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_02: Does she play travel volleyball?
1:36:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a legacy.
1:36:25
SPEAKER_00: She is so special, legacy.
1:36:27
SPEAKER_00: So fun to watch.
1:36:28
SPEAKER_00: And like, she goes here, and there are kids knocking on the door to play volleyball here because they want her to set them because the stats they will have because of her.
1:36:39
SPEAKER_00: And that's like what Country Day is about.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you remember how many kids wanted to play with Anna Seeloff?
1:36:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_00: So you get one token kid that wants to come here who's so talented, and then you get other kids that are like, Well, I want to play around that, I want to be a part of that.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_00: Who doesn't want the number one setter in the nation if you are an offensive-minded kid?
1:36:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_00: You're like, man, this is gonna be great for me.
1:37:01
SPEAKER_02: How many of your seniors are gonna play a uh college soccer?
1:37:05
SPEAKER_00: Not a single one.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_00: And they will graduate with an experience that some kids will never have in their lifetime.
1:37:15
SPEAKER_00: And they're all content.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_00: Nobody is like, oh man, they were like sobbing at the banquet.
1:37:20
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for this.
1:37:21
SPEAKER_02: Do you get annoyed with the oh there they recruit uh moniker?
1:37:26
SPEAKER_00: I think it's just old news of like in the beginning you did, and now it's like the straight truth is I didn't bring any of these kids in.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_00: And these are kids that had gone to preschool with my children that I have known since they were four years old.
1:37:39
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_00: That's cool, and they talked about at the banquet, like we couldn't wait.
1:37:44
SPEAKER_00: Like we would walk the hallways and see you, couldn't wait to play for you.
1:37:47
SPEAKER_00: Of like they could picture this whole time here who their coach was gonna be, especially what that was gonna look like.
1:37:54
SPEAKER_02: Did you ever do any of the winter stuff?
1:37:57
SPEAKER_02: Remember when we do preseason at the lower school?
1:37:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like you know, we we have what this program called junior jackets here.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and so most of us head coaches run our own junior jacket, and it can look like whatever you want, which is country day.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_00: It could so like I run after school programs with my kindergarten through third graders, and it's just me and them playing after school on the playground.
1:38:19
SPEAKER_00: I get a little technical skills and it's like a little intramural.
1:38:22
SPEAKER_04: I love it.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_00: Like Kim, our volleyball coach, she does the same thing.
1:38:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so like you meet these kids when they're five.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_02: How many lifers do you have?
1:38:33
SPEAKER_02: Or did you have on your varsity team?
1:38:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know because I never looked into it, but of that senior class, half of those kids started in preschool.
1:38:43
SPEAKER_00: We call those super lifers, and then lifers and then life and then lifers lifers start in K.
1:38:49
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:38:50
SPEAKER_00: But you're like it's it's amazing.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_02: It is amazing.
1:38:55
SPEAKER_02: Who do you still talk to?
1:38:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Colleen Doherty was that was at her games, right?
1:39:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've been back in Michigan.
1:39:03
SPEAKER_00: She lives in Howell, she's a badass personal trainer with her husband.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I see her.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_00: She does all these competitions, yeah.
1:39:10
SPEAKER_00: She runs the Boston Marathon.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, she's amazing.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
1:39:15
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing, was how she was wired.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_00: But like, I I received messages over this playoff run to people since the very beginning.
1:39:21
SPEAKER_00: Like in 05.
1:39:23
SPEAKER_02: Is Andy in Texas?
1:39:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, she's married, she has kids.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_02: Um is her mom still living like right across the house.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_02: I think they sold that house.
1:39:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:31
SPEAKER_00: But like on a sea loaf.
1:39:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:33
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:39:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, Jessica Carr.
1:39:35
SPEAKER_00: She was like, uh, she went on to Michigan State, was a student.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_00: She was like, I was in the stands with my parents watching your game.
1:39:42
SPEAKER_02: And you're like, You said Kendall and Staff.
1:39:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:47
SPEAKER_02: Wasn't it a little one too?
1:39:48
SPEAKER_02: A fourth one?
1:39:49
SPEAKER_02: Georgie.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_02: I know I was never really around Georgie.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were all monster athletes.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_02: Where's Paley?
1:39:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think doing some He's a GM somewhere.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_02: Because he was with Iserman.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_02: He went with Iserman to the lightning.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_02: And now he's, I don't know.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_02: See, that's another thing.
1:40:08
SPEAKER_02: And you were talking about like Stafford's kids go here.
1:40:11
SPEAKER_02: It's like it's a good thing.
1:40:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were here until he's it's a different level of like.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
1:40:16
SPEAKER_00: There's respect for like nobody Googles over them or treats them like they're over there being a badass doctor.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:40:23
SPEAKER_00: Like being a brain surgeon over here running a company, exactly.
1:40:26
SPEAKER_00: Running here.
1:40:26
SPEAKER_00: And so it's just like there's this respect of like you're amazing, but so are you.
1:40:31
SPEAKER_00: So are you, and so are you, and you can drop off your kids and nobody needs to Google and Google over you.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're just somebody's dad.
1:40:38
SPEAKER_00: And that's why people like to bring their children here.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, when you're dealing with that, like level is it safety too?
1:40:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like we had um Bara, Mary Mary Barra, you know, she's the head of GM.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:40:55
SPEAKER_00: We had our son and daughter play here.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, our security is amazing.
1:41:00
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
1:41:01
SPEAKER_00: Our security knows everybody.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_00: So small.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_00: They know the kids, they know the parents, they know who's visiting, and you know, you gotta sign in like everywhere else.
1:41:10
SPEAKER_00: It's a different world.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_02: Go into why you're you never had interest in club.
1:41:15
SPEAKER_02: Is it?
1:41:16
SPEAKER_00: I did, I did.
1:41:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I a couple years ago, like Andy had been asking me for years, and it was like my own kids over there?
1:41:22
SPEAKER_00: No, uh, Wagstaff.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Wagstaff.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:41:25
SPEAKER_00: Of like, uh, my own kids were little, right?
1:41:29
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like once I got all three of them at an age that they could play in one place, and I brought them all to Liverpool.
1:41:38
SPEAKER_00: It was like, what am I doing standing here watching somebody else do what I know I could do and do better?
1:41:45
SPEAKER_00: And then it was like, all right, I want in.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_00: And I did it, right?
1:41:48
SPEAKER_00: It's like I had uh the 2014 girls, it was super special, and I coached an RL team.
1:41:53
SPEAKER_00: It was Molly's team or no?
1:41:55
SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't coach Molly.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_00: I she guess played up.
1:41:58
SPEAKER_00: She was uh a year younger.
1:41:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I had the 2013s, my bad.
1:42:01
SPEAKER_00: She was a 14.
1:42:02
SPEAKER_04: Okay, got it.
1:42:03
SPEAKER_00: But it was like it was the best, and you poured into it, but it was like I couldn't pour into being a teacher and a coach here and that and being a single mom.
1:42:11
SPEAKER_00: And my kids do big things.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_00: It's like I don't have kids sing at home.
1:42:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like I have, you know, when Mitch was like, I don't want to play soccer anymore, but this is what I want to do.
1:42:19
SPEAKER_00: You want to help them get there.
1:42:21
SPEAKER_00: And when Jojo was like, I don't I don't want to play soccer, but I want to play volleyball.
1:42:24
SPEAKER_00: My God, our travel schedule.
1:42:26
SPEAKER_00: In one month, we did like Louisville, Indianapolis, Orlando, Minneapolis, back to Indian Indianapolis.
1:42:32
SPEAKER_00: We're in Orlando all next week.
1:42:34
SPEAKER_00: Of like, my kids are never gonna look back and say, like, I wanted to do something, but I couldn't because my mom was doing something.
1:42:42
unknown: Right?
1:42:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to be that kind of mom.
1:42:44
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I had to find this harmony where it's like I could do what I wanted to do, create a culture that I felt like I wanted as a player and never had.
1:42:54
SPEAKER_00: And we can coexist and they can be amazing too.
1:42:58
SPEAKER_00: Like again, Molly's over at Hawks.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_00: We live in Farmington, it's very doable.
1:43:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's them driving their experience.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_00: But it's like when I was I think I was stretched too thin.
1:43:10
SPEAKER_00: And when I was at Liverpool, it was just too much.
1:43:13
SPEAKER_00: I did, I had no zero downtime.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_00: I was here, I was I was in season and I was running two team sessions over there and a single mom trying to get three kids where they needed to go.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean just like and it was sad to walk away from, but they're all like I'm still friends with all of them, and they were some of the first people to message me.
1:43:31
SPEAKER_00: Simone, Elliot Tarney.
1:43:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the like that was amazing.
1:43:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then none of them are like negating high school soccer.
1:43:40
SPEAKER_00: No, like Simone was Simone Mr.
1:43:42
SPEAKER_00: Soccer.
1:43:43
SPEAKER_00: Did you hear his podcast?
1:43:45
SPEAKER_00: Did you hear he was a guest on Aaron Bird's podcast?
1:43:47
SPEAKER_00: It was arguably in the top three podcasts I've ever heard, and definitely as a sports parent.
1:43:53
SPEAKER_02: I need to listen to it.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know he had Simona.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_00: So good because I'm trying to get someone because you know, he talked about his Simone.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_02: I played against Simone.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he talked about like his background coming to the US, why his parents were not pouring into his soccer, how he became five languages.
1:44:09
SPEAKER_00: He's married to a teacher from here.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
1:44:12
SPEAKER_00: And his stepson is in Molly's grade, so it's just like, well, that's amazing.
1:44:15
SPEAKER_00: I get to see him.
1:44:16
SPEAKER_00: He's part of this community.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_02: That makes sense.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he belongs to it.
1:44:19
SPEAKER_02: They have a new baby, about a year old.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_02: He does belong here.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:44:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, he's one of he's somebody that I really want to talk to.
1:44:26
SPEAKER_02: Nate Norman, too.
1:44:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those two were on the same team together.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_02: That's who I had to play against.
1:44:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:44:32
SPEAKER_02: Two U17 national team players playing on the same freaking high school.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_02: So dumb.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_00: So good at so good.
1:44:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh god, that doesn't happen.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_00: But imagine how fun, how much fun they had.
1:44:43
unknown: Yeah.
1:44:44
SPEAKER_00: If like to get to have that elite experience, and again back to Honest Sealoff to say, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what I really want is to be a captain at Country Day, and I'll what?
1:44:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, no, no, no.
1:44:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we will never be on the side of supporting that.
1:44:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, you can we want you to be it.
1:45:01
SPEAKER_00: And it was, she was with Kendall Verbeek, right?
1:45:03
SPEAKER_00: It was just like we wanted her to be, but we wanted to take the pressure off of her of like, go and don't feel like you have to be over here.
1:45:12
SPEAKER_00: But like shh, she stepped in so quickly of like, no, no, no, you don't understand how bad and what this means to me, how bad I want to be a captain at Country Day.
1:45:23
SPEAKER_02: Did you ever win one with Bob?
1:45:24
SPEAKER_02: No, we know we stick to the city.
1:45:26
SPEAKER_02: I know we've been four.
1:45:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:45:28
SPEAKER_02: And then uh when I left, that you only had about five more years with Bob.
1:45:34
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:45:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:45:35
SPEAKER_00: And then we came so close.
1:45:37
SPEAKER_00: So, like for a couple years.
1:45:40
SPEAKER_00: A couple years I was up in D2.
1:45:42
SPEAKER_00: Our enrollment was just over the threshold.
1:45:44
SPEAKER_02: What is the threshold?
1:45:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_00: One.
1:45:47
SPEAKER_00: It depends.
1:45:48
SPEAKER_00: There's no, they gotta take all of them.
1:45:49
SPEAKER_02: Were you in a state final for D2 one year?
1:45:51
SPEAKER_02: No, I was at the boys.
1:45:52
SPEAKER_00: No, I was at the Marion was ranked one and I was ranked two.
1:45:56
SPEAKER_00: And we had to play each other in district finals.
1:45:58
SPEAKER_00: Like we went and dumb.
1:45:59
SPEAKER_00: I coached against against Marion Barry, 13 deep in a shootout.
1:46:04
SPEAKER_00: I lost to him.
1:46:05
SPEAKER_00: And like I looked at my staff.
1:46:07
SPEAKER_00: Bob was my assistant, and I was like, oh, who fucking cares?
1:46:10
SPEAKER_00: Whoever shooter number 13 is, we're never gonna get that far.
1:46:12
SPEAKER_00: Because you know, we made a list, and I will never forget eating those words of like it did matter.
1:46:19
SPEAKER_00: Of like, you have to put preparation in and still do the same thing.
1:46:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, hell yeah, we do.
1:46:24
SPEAKER_00: Why would we?
1:46:25
SPEAKER_00: Why would we not?
1:46:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so after games, you do you do you still do it?
1:46:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean Okay, so after games, you would line up the team like on the 18-yard box or whatever.
1:46:35
SPEAKER_00: And you know what's what's wild is we can do it in the field house here where we know nobody else is seeing it but our own parents.
1:46:41
SPEAKER_00: So our parents are watching this happen, and every kid is taking a PK, and then if they miss, and if they miss, the whole team is even the goalkeepers, even the goalkeeper, but not the kid who shot.
1:46:54
SPEAKER_00: So the kid that was shot is standing there.
1:46:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes, oh my god, and and and they will run until she makes it.
1:47:01
SPEAKER_00: We in yeah, there was an article in the newspaper about us this year, and uh Did you do it?
1:47:07
SPEAKER_00: It was how often no no no no no it was like the curse of country day because this senior class lost sophomore year in state semis to Grozil in a shootout, and they went on junior year, destroyed Grosil, right?
1:47:22
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't even a game, and just you know, we didn't really have a great game against Regina.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_00: I think they got up for Grozil and then emotionally were kind of taxed two days later, and we went into a shootout with with Regina, and the same kid that missed in that Grosil game, I put her in again because I believed in her.
1:47:43
SPEAKER_00: She missed again, right?
1:47:45
SPEAKER_00: Imagine those texts after that game and me saying to that kid, I would put you on the line again.
1:47:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:47:50
SPEAKER_00: You will carry that forever of even when you weren't successful, I believed in you and I would put you on the line again.
1:47:56
SPEAKER_00: Her little sister was on the team this year, and she was like, Thank you.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, thank you for putting me on the line even when I missed.
1:48:04
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we do that to kind of simulate the pressure.
1:48:08
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, we lost the last two years in a shootout, even though we practice.
1:48:13
SPEAKER_00: But I think that's what made this year so special is like we didn't go into overtime one game, we had one goal scored against us in the entire run.
1:48:22
SPEAKER_02: We uh we did that this might have been my last year.
1:48:27
SPEAKER_02: We did it, and yeah, because it was frags and goal, yeah, and but one player kept on missing, and the parents when he had missed, because we're we're in sprint uh 15 by now, yeah, and the parents were like he missed, and like the parents are like oh it felt so bad, but then when he scored, they all cheered, yeah, and it was like that okay, that's a real experience, you know.
1:48:57
SPEAKER_02: And that carried us.
1:48:57
SPEAKER_02: That was the year, the last year I was here that we won states.
1:49:01
SPEAKER_00: Do you follow uh what is it, Steven Magnus?
1:49:05
SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay.
1:49:06
SPEAKER_00: Steve Magnus, yeah.
1:49:07
SPEAKER_02: Love him.
1:49:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I live for his posts.
1:49:10
SPEAKER_02: I've DM'd them.
1:49:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I want to come out to where you are.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_00: And I can I join you?
1:49:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:49:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I live for his posts, and he posted one like a month ago about they have analyzed PK shooters on the line.
1:49:23
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
1:49:24
SPEAKER_00: And like when your focus is on the goalkeeper and what's in front of you, your anxiety heightened awareness increases.
1:49:33
SPEAKER_00: When you can look past into the distance, right?
1:49:37
SPEAKER_00: And you bring your your your vision past the goalkeeper down, your anxiety goes down because it's non threatening.
1:49:45
SPEAKER_00: Like our body responds and is by what's in front of us.
1:49:48
SPEAKER_00: And we spent time talking to our kids about that.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_00: Like our our sports psychologist Amber was teaching the physiological physical like Yeah.
1:50:03
SPEAKER_00: And like nobody ever taught me that in my life.
1:50:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I learned it's a psychological science.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_00: I learned it from Andrew Huberman.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_00: But like our kids are learning things that like the most elite athletes are exposed to.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_02: See, this is a good thing about technology, and the good thing about like social media and stuff like that.
1:50:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, and the good thing about just the internet.
1:50:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:50:25
SPEAKER_02: Because we're we're so much more advanced than 15, 20 years ago.
1:50:29
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:50:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:50:30
SPEAKER_02: And like I made a joke.
1:50:31
SPEAKER_02: I think I posted it today.
1:50:33
SPEAKER_02: I was like, because the biggest thing about the World Cup right now is all the Europeans falling in love with this country.
1:50:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:50:39
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, dude, all the people in that that came over in 94 probably did too.
1:50:44
SPEAKER_02: We just didn't know about it.
1:50:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:50:45
SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't documented and right.
1:50:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_02: So good.
1:50:51
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I I don't know.
1:50:54
SPEAKER_00: We can document anything, right?
1:50:56
SPEAKER_00: We our kids have exposure to anything.
1:50:58
SPEAKER_00: We can follow the most elite athletes.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_00: We can learn from them.
1:51:01
SPEAKER_00: Again.
1:51:02
SPEAKER_02: This is really just documenting the conversation.
1:51:04
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:51:04
SPEAKER_02: It's that's all it is.
1:51:05
SPEAKER_02: This is like us getting a coffee.
1:51:07
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:51:07
SPEAKER_02: We're catching up.
1:51:08
SPEAKER_00: I got so much in my head I can.
1:51:10
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:51:10
SPEAKER_00: It's been years.
1:51:11
SPEAKER_00: It's just like, no.
1:51:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
1:51:13
SPEAKER_02: And USA kicks off at three.
1:51:15
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:51:15
SPEAKER_00: But uh one of my players' grad parties ago from the state championship there, so she can have that grad party.
1:51:24
SPEAKER_02: And you're taking the trophies to every single one.
1:51:26
SPEAKER_00: Heck yeah.
1:51:27
SPEAKER_00: One of the dads is like a higher security.
1:51:29
SPEAKER_00: Nobody's touching that.
1:51:31
SPEAKER_00: You're proud of it.
1:51:32
SPEAKER_00: Of course they are.
1:51:32
SPEAKER_00: They're so proud of it.
1:51:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm still proud of 09 and 07.
1:51:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_02: But the boys.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:51:38
SPEAKER_00: Again, the average kid never has that experience.
1:51:44
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:51:45
SPEAKER_02: Never.
1:51:45
SPEAKER_02: And your last think about for the seniors, right?
1:51:49
SPEAKER_02: Whether you're in college or in high school, your last game is always a loss.
1:51:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:51:56
SPEAKER_02: Think about that.
1:51:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I go through like if there's 80 teams, 90 teams, we talk about every you know, you just take the total and then they divide by four.
1:52:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:52:09
SPEAKER_00: Living to max practices.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_00: Like what it means for them after districts to come hang out here and play Catch the Flag and have a popsicle.
1:52:16
SPEAKER_00: They live for that.
1:52:18
SPEAKER_00: And like when you won and we upset Goodrich because they were ranked one all year and we were ranked two.
1:52:24
SPEAKER_00: We didn't play any teams anybody could compare.
1:52:26
SPEAKER_00: They'd come from D2.
1:52:28
SPEAKER_00: Everybody thought, you know, they were just gonna run.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they had minimal shots at goal.
1:52:32
SPEAKER_00: Elise made hardly any saves in that game.
1:52:34
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, what they talk about is like coming back to hang out and have popsicles and their thank you speeches.
1:52:44
SPEAKER_00: Cause you know, they're complete people, they're not just soccer players.
1:52:47
SPEAKER_02: Do you still do the banquet at Ondeano?
1:52:50
SPEAKER_00: No, we did it at Orchard Lake Country Club this year.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:52:53
SPEAKER_00: We've done it at the BAC.
1:52:55
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, the the parents value the experience.
1:52:59
SPEAKER_03: Does anybody do Oakland Hills?
1:53:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:53:03
SPEAKER_00: Um golf, obviously.
1:53:05
SPEAKER_00: No, and like uh we've had it.
1:53:06
SPEAKER_00: That's another thing.
1:53:07
SPEAKER_00: We had our field hockey one there.
1:53:08
SPEAKER_00: We won the state championship and had our field hockey banquet there.
1:53:11
SPEAKER_02: That's another thing about Country Day, right?
1:53:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:53:14
SPEAKER_02: Their home golf course is Oakland Hills.
1:53:17
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
1:53:19
SPEAKER_00: So dumb.
1:53:20
SPEAKER_00: So good.
1:53:21
SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
1:53:22
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:53:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:53:23
SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, people can can bitch and say it's not fair, but like you're telling me if your kid could have this experience, you wouldn't give it to him if you could.
1:53:33
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:53:34
SPEAKER_00: It's really that bad.
1:53:37
SPEAKER_03: I mean, no.
1:53:38
SPEAKER_03: I mean, come on.
1:53:39
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:53:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have a full-time strength and conditioning.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_00: His name's Frank Novak.
1:53:43
SPEAKER_00: He's our hockey coach.
1:53:44
SPEAKER_00: He's here on the day.
1:53:46
SPEAKER_00: You can come in the day.
1:53:49
SPEAKER_00: You know?
1:53:50
SPEAKER_02: Is that redone?
1:53:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, since you have been there, yes.
1:53:53
SPEAKER_00: It's down, so this is like down this hall of champions.
1:53:56
SPEAKER_02: Show that to me before we leave.
1:53:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's great.
1:53:59
SPEAKER_00: And the guy's running, you know, working with our athletes in there.
1:54:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:54:03
SPEAKER_00: Again, we got contractual work with Impact, Jim Cobasso.
1:54:07
SPEAKER_00: Aiden Hutchinson's return.
1:54:09
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:54:09
SPEAKER_00: He's awesome.
1:54:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:54:10
SPEAKER_02: I've had him on before.
1:54:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:54:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:54:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, his knowledge is.
1:54:14
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I was picking, so I was on a thread with him, Dr.
1:54:18
SPEAKER_04: Bill, uh-huh.
1:54:20
SPEAKER_00: John, one of his head guys, about my two ACL tears return.
1:54:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:54:27
SPEAKER_00: We were on a thread all spring of like it's so interesting their second return.
1:54:33
SPEAKER_00: They got 10 minutes when when they determined those kids were cleared, they got 10 minutes the first game.
1:54:39
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
1:54:40
SPEAKER_00: And then they came out.
1:54:41
SPEAKER_00: And then they got 20 minutes the next week.
1:54:44
SPEAKER_00: And 30 minutes the next.
1:54:46
SPEAKER_00: And no re-entry.
1:54:48
SPEAKER_00: If I they couldn't go back in 40 minutes.
1:54:51
SPEAKER_00: And then we sat at 40 for a little bit before they could see the second half.
1:54:56
SPEAKER_00: And they had to do part of that FIFA 11 warm-up at halftime because the risk of tears increases when the body cools down.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_00: I had it, a surgeon, one of the most renowned on a text thread, bouncing ideas off of.
1:55:12
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
1:55:13
SPEAKER_00: They loved the warm-up.
1:55:15
SPEAKER_00: I talked to Jim at the lacrosse, one of the lacrosse games, and he was like, you are one of the only programs that did it, did it thoroughly, and did it every single day, buy-in from the kids because you believed in it.
1:55:31
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, that's because you said it was gonna make a difference.
1:55:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do anything that's gonna make a difference.
1:55:37
SPEAKER_00: Even if you're gonna tell me there's a 10% decrease in potential tears, we're gonna do what we can do.
1:55:44
SPEAKER_02: And think about like how many high school coaches don't know.
1:55:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they don't talk to anybody about their player.
1:55:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then they just throw a kid out and like, oh, you're declared.
1:55:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, 45 minutes, and then 60 minutes when it was regionals, yeah, regionals.
1:56:01
SPEAKER_00: We played in Ann Arbor, 90 some degrees, we chilled in the shade, their team's warming up, we chilled in the shade with 30 minutes to go.
1:56:13
SPEAKER_00: We started our warm-up, our FIFA 11 warm-up.
1:56:16
SPEAKER_00: And then that's all you did.
1:56:18
SPEAKER_00: We went cross field for a few minutes, and my kids, it was like horses coming out of a gate, rip your head off.
1:56:26
SPEAKER_00: And those kids had like stood on the field in the heat, like, how do you not have that basic knowledge?
1:56:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, we learned that years ago, right?
1:56:36
SPEAKER_02: Where where was the state finals?
1:56:39
SPEAKER_00: Michigan State, DeMartin Stadium.
1:56:42
SPEAKER_00: So, how hard is that though?
1:56:44
SPEAKER_02: From going turf year-round to grass.
1:56:46
SPEAKER_00: That's the most beautiful surface a kid could ever play on.
1:56:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is immaculate.
1:56:52
SPEAKER_00: It's like Bermuda, it is like so tight, so short.
1:56:56
SPEAKER_00: This particular team loved to build, they were creative, they like to keep the ball on the ground when they can.
1:57:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, some fields it's like you're not used to how heavy you really have to push your service and the weight of it because the grass is, you know, you're not used to it and the grass is and it was like our game didn't change.
1:57:11
SPEAKER_00: And I told the kids that my two kids with double ACL tears, I told them all year they were playing for the opportunity to put a pair of cleats on because they cannot play with cleats on turf.
1:57:24
SPEAKER_00: That surgeon will not let them.
1:57:25
SPEAKER_00: They must wear turfs on turf.
1:57:27
SPEAKER_00: And so they were playing they were playing to tie up a pair of boots for one game.
1:57:35
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
1:57:36
SPEAKER_00: So fun.
1:57:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:57:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm surprised you guys don't have like a grass field like that.
1:57:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, we when you were here, remember we did it.
1:57:43
SPEAKER_00: It's right here.
1:57:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was right here, right?
1:57:45
SPEAKER_00: This beautiful centennial baseball field, I'll show you.
1:57:47
SPEAKER_00: It's turfed.
1:57:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's amazing.
1:57:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the upper fields.
1:57:50
SPEAKER_00: There's times like all these fields are tied up, and we'll roll a goal out here and we'll train on the baseball field because baseball's away, and there's a lacrosse game here and a lacrosse game there.
1:58:01
SPEAKER_00: But like, I can make a session happen on a baseball field that's turfed.
1:58:07
SPEAKER_02: I also miss like having girls soccer in the spring because in New York we have it in the fall.
1:58:13
SPEAKER_02: It's so dumb.
1:58:14
SPEAKER_00: So I know we're one of the only states.
1:58:17
SPEAKER_00: I know, but then you know it hurts, you know, their exposure to ECNL.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
1:58:23
SPEAKER_02: Their exposure to and that was the argument of the Hawks.
1:58:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then there's some people that are still saying that the ECNL secretly wants to get rid of high school soccer.
1:58:34
SPEAKER_00: It's like you know what, good luck, good luck because statistically, there's a large group of kids that play high school sports, it's larger, yeah.
1:58:44
SPEAKER_02: It's massive, uh right, and not every no offense, but not every kid is an ECNL level player, or wants to be, or wants to be, right?
1:58:54
SPEAKER_00: Some kids want to play basketball and want to play volleyball, and like you you can't specialize and play legacy volleyball and hawk soccer.
1:59:03
SPEAKER_00: You gotta choose, right?
1:59:05
SPEAKER_00: But again, that's why here, like uh facilities, sports psychologist, strength and condition.
1:59:13
SPEAKER_00: You guys have a sports psychologist.
1:59:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, she's amazing.
1:59:15
SPEAKER_00: Is her she's a former alum?
1:59:17
SPEAKER_00: Is it is her I mean, she's a former basketball player and is an alum.
1:59:21
SPEAKER_02: Is her stuff more like Steve Magnus, or is it more like uh mental health?
1:59:26
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a little bit of both.
1:59:27
SPEAKER_02: Good.
1:59:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_02: How much have you had to deal with that over the years?
1:59:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's huge.
1:59:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's life.
1:59:34
SPEAKER_00: And what's cool is Jenna Shaban, okay, the center back, started the mental health chapter here.
1:59:40
SPEAKER_00: So it's like a national chapter.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_00: Um mental, like uh Adidas sponsors it.
1:59:46
SPEAKER_00: It's uh mental health athletes.
1:59:49
SPEAKER_00: She is at games, like other sports games, spreading the word.
1:59:55
SPEAKER_02: It's just like is that what she wants to do?
1:59:57
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't know.
1:59:59
SPEAKER_00: Mom's a doctor, dad's a doctor.
2:00:01
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't know.
2:00:02
SPEAKER_00: That's okay too, right?
2:00:03
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
2:00:04
SPEAKER_00: But like it's it's the norm to talk about mental health.
2:00:08
SPEAKER_00: We have knowledge, we've all had life experiences, like we all have recognition, we're all trained, you know, yeah.
2:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Of like, you care.
2:00:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, I care about my players.
2:00:18
SPEAKER_00: Know I care about more them than I care about what's done on the field.
2:00:22
SPEAKER_00: And when they know that you care about the complete player, they'll give you everything.
2:00:28
SPEAKER_02: That's like Anson Doris' stuff.
2:00:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:00:30
SPEAKER_00: Except for his no gauntlet.
2:00:33
SPEAKER_00: You don't wreck.
2:00:34
SPEAKER_02: No, we backed off.
2:00:36
SPEAKER_00: We backed off from some of that.
2:00:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, you'll see it all in here.
2:00:39
SPEAKER_00: You got like some kids just doinking around.
2:00:41
SPEAKER_00: You got this kid getting reps in, football was over here.
2:00:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, oh, football's gone.
2:00:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't even notice.
2:00:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:00:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, remember the uh uh when was the last time you went to a convention?
2:00:55
SPEAKER_00: Um we saw 21 Lawrence.
2:00:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 21 after we won the state championship, and you know you get coach of the year and you go on.
2:01:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
2:01:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay, went to that one.
2:01:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, Dean and Steve went.
2:01:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:01:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you still pick up little tidbits.
2:01:08
SPEAKER_00: I think it's still important to like touch base with people, and but I mean, what you can learn, even if you weren't a coach, and you're what you can is at your fingertips is you gotta insane.
2:01:21
SPEAKER_02: You you gotta go to the expo.
2:01:23
SPEAKER_02: You should present at the expo.
2:01:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I mean, I I think the longer I've done this, the more I really see how few female coaches are.
2:01:32
SPEAKER_00: How so few of us have had a career, like a lengthy career and been successful.
2:01:38
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I am, I I see it, I see there's a need for it, I know there's a need to spread the word, I know there's a need to share information, right?
2:01:47
SPEAKER_02: Is it because they want a family?
2:01:50
SPEAKER_02: Is it because is that why?
2:01:52
SPEAKER_02: But you have family, you know what I mean?
2:01:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and again, I got parents who helped me, and I'm close with Dave, their dad, and of course, yeah.
2:02:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you also have to love it.
2:02:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I I love this, and my staff, like they're my friends.
2:02:08
SPEAKER_00: I think we have the longest running staff intact.
2:02:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've been me with me for a decade.
2:02:17
SPEAKER_03: That's incredible.
2:02:18
SPEAKER_00: Two female D1 athletes.
2:02:20
SPEAKER_00: Ariane um came from Europe, you know, he grew up in Europe.
2:02:23
SPEAKER_00: It's like he's got another little twist to things he brings here.
2:02:26
SPEAKER_00: I think he's great little nuggets that we wouldn't have had otherwise.
2:02:30
SPEAKER_00: But again, to have four people that have bought into something and and for 10 years work together.
2:02:37
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
2:02:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:02:39
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean, how long do you think you could do this?
2:02:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
2:02:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, there's times that you're like, oh, I people are like, you need to teach a course and you need to, you know, write a book, and you need to like female, and you're just like, I don't know.
2:02:54
SPEAKER_00: This is so fun.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, 20 21 years.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_02: 21 years.
2:03:00
SPEAKER_02: That means 21 years teaching too.
2:03:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I uh so it's like I taught fourth grade here, yeah, had Mitchell stayed home, yeah.
2:03:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh came back and taught high school health.
2:03:10
SPEAKER_00: Like they were like, Can you do this?
2:03:12
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, sure.
2:03:13
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:03:14
SPEAKER_00: Molly went into the preschool, everybody was here full time.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:03:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then now Bob had retired, and there was like a couple people there, and they're now in the middle school teaching P.
2:03:24
SPEAKER_00: There was an opening.
2:03:25
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, I can do this.
2:03:27
SPEAKER_02: How is it or how much of it is because of how supportive everybody is here that your kids are here and allowed to be here?
2:03:35
SPEAKER_02: And Mitchell is allowed to bring you his little tricycle and run like you know.
2:03:39
SPEAKER_00: And it's a family, it's a family.
2:03:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, there's a general respect for one another and their craft, and like there are teachers here who have doctorates.
2:03:50
SPEAKER_00: They could go be being professors places, right?
2:03:53
SPEAKER_02: But they don't.
2:03:54
SPEAKER_00: No, they're here with kids.
2:03:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, you get someone who is the ultimate specialist in teaching like these amazing specialty courses in the high school that you can't take elsewhere.
2:04:08
SPEAKER_02: Do you guys uh uh being a staff member, do you guys get financial help?
2:04:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can uh it's like 25% of tuition you pay.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, got it.
2:04:20
SPEAKER_02: Because why wouldn't you get a job here?
2:04:23
SPEAKER_02: I was talking to my parents about doing this.
2:04:25
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Yeah, I'm going to country day.
2:04:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:04:27
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, you should have never left.
2:04:29
SPEAKER_02: I know.
2:04:30
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, yeah.
2:04:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I kind of there's always doors that open again though, too.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_02: And and by uh back then I wanted to, I was so enamored with the development academy and the ECNL and then college soccer.
2:04:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:04:44
SPEAKER_02: And then the U of D uh opportunity, uh, and then at that time you couldn't do both.
2:04:50
SPEAKER_04: Right.
2:04:50
SPEAKER_02: You couldn't coach college soccer and high school soccer.
2:04:53
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna, but then Bob was talking about bringing me back, yeah, maybe like four years later and stuff with you.
2:05:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I didn't, yeah, obviously.
2:05:04
SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's funny because like, you know, you gotta get permission here for you to come in here, yeah, right?
2:05:09
SPEAKER_00: And like I I I dropped I thought that was normal.
2:05:13
SPEAKER_00: I dropped your name, everybody everybody knew you.
2:05:14
SPEAKER_00: It was like Dan McLean's like, oh yep, I remember him, and Ross Cooper and Dan Loft.
2:05:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's the same people, it is, it's the same people because people aren't leaving because this is an amazing place to be.
2:05:25
SPEAKER_03: What's going on here?
2:05:26
SPEAKER_00: Volleyball camp.
2:05:27
SPEAKER_03: Love it.
2:05:28
SPEAKER_00: My daughter, is she here?
2:05:29
SPEAKER_00: Two of my daughters are here.
2:05:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:05:32
SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
2:05:33
SPEAKER_03: One is one's one's teaching, like helping it.
2:05:35
SPEAKER_00: One's teaching and one's trying to play.
2:05:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:05:40
SPEAKER_02: When's your camp?
2:05:40
SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
2:05:41
SPEAKER_00: Nothing this summer.
2:05:42
SPEAKER_00: Because we run our junior no, we run our junior jackets all throughout the school year.
2:05:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
2:05:46
SPEAKER_00: And so um what about Boster?
2:05:48
SPEAKER_02: Is he doing anything?
2:05:49
SPEAKER_00: No, he and I last year was the last year we did it.
2:05:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
2:05:53
SPEAKER_00: I do all the junior youth programs.
2:05:55
SPEAKER_00: He's still teaching in the middle school.
2:05:57
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
2:05:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you know, you get to the middle school and you can play on the middle school team here.
2:06:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:06:02
SPEAKER_02: That was one of the first one of the only schools in the area that had middle school soccer.
2:06:08
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:06:08
SPEAKER_00: And we have middle school everything.
2:06:10
SPEAKER_00: You can climb.
2:06:12
SPEAKER_00: There's a rock climbing wall.
2:06:14
SPEAKER_02: That was I don't remember it being that big.
2:06:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was huge.
2:06:17
SPEAKER_00: But that's Bartashook.
2:06:19
SPEAKER_00: That was his baby.
2:06:20
unknown: Yeah.
2:06:20
SPEAKER_02: And then Bob had one at the junior school or the lower school.
2:06:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
2:06:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:06:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there was a program here that ran for years, and the guys that are involved in the climbing took kids internationally.
2:06:32
SPEAKER_00: They climbed mountains and spent, you know, like again, where do you get those opportunities at this level?
2:06:39
unknown: Okay, whatever.
2:06:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:06:41
unknown: Yeah.
2:06:41
SPEAKER_00: Look at all those volleyball kids.
2:06:43
SPEAKER_00: Back-to-back state champions for volleyball.
2:06:45
SPEAKER_02: Now, how how many of these little ones do you think go here versus?
2:06:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm I would say I mean it's true.
2:06:52
SPEAKER_00: I'd say 90%.
2:06:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, there is like a booklet that goes out and anybody can sign up.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_00: But these are, you know, like that camp is run by Kim.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_00: That's one of my best friends right there.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_00: She teaches at the lower school with me.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_00: And she does an amazing job getting our kids exposed to volleyball, starting in whatever first grade.
2:07:13
SPEAKER_00: And like this is her her baby.
2:07:16
SPEAKER_02: Do you feel okay?
2:07:17
SPEAKER_02: So you're not doing the camp.
2:07:19
SPEAKER_02: Do you feel that obligation too?
2:07:22
SPEAKER_02: Or is it more like the clubs will do it?
2:07:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the great thing about Country Day is there's no like you run soccer and this is what you need to do.
2:07:31
SPEAKER_00: You get to do whatever you want with your program, right?
2:07:33
SPEAKER_00: So, like Amberdeen runs like a Saturday basketball school.
2:07:37
SPEAKER_00: I run stuff after school, and that works for with my schedule.
2:07:40
SPEAKER_00: Like I can run something directly after school, and then I can still run Molly to practice at night, right?
2:07:45
SPEAKER_00: Of like, we all have different schedules, different demands.
2:07:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, Kim does two of these this summer.
2:07:52
SPEAKER_00: They're well attended.
2:07:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:07:54
SPEAKER_03: You know, there's a whole age range.
2:07:57
SPEAKER_03: This is uh probably first to eighth grade.
2:08:04
SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
2:08:06
SPEAKER_03: So fun.
2:08:09
SPEAKER_03: I miss it.
2:08:10
SPEAKER_02: I drove over here.
2:08:11
SPEAKER_02: I was on the way back.
2:08:13
SPEAKER_02: I was doing most of my podcasts are like in Nova.
2:08:17
SPEAKER_02: So I'm always just like coming up telegraph.
2:08:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, turn on 13.
2:08:22
SPEAKER_02: And then one of the days I just pulled in.
2:08:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, when you pull up and you see like the stadium renovation and the the media for it.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be what you think of country day when you walk through there.
2:08:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then the new turf.
2:08:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there like right up there, it's like, and then but some of it has not changed, not all of it has changed.
2:08:46
SPEAKER_00: Which is what it makes this place so special is like there is long-standing tradition, and a lot of it is the people that are have been a part of it for so long.
2:08:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like to have to have Mac be a 40 years, Steve Bossert 30 years.
2:09:01
SPEAKER_00: I've been here 20.
2:09:03
SPEAKER_02: Most public school teachers or uh or administration are like, I need to get out of here.
2:09:09
SPEAKER_02: I want to get out of here.
2:09:10
SPEAKER_02: They take the early retirement, they want to get out.
2:09:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a keter, nobody leaves.
2:09:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you blame us?
2:09:19
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I mean, think about Paul, right?
2:09:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, this was this was his life.
2:09:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think.
2:09:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think how many Paul won total.
2:09:32
SPEAKER_02: Because I think Bob's at seven.
2:09:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_02: I think Bob won't have seven.
2:09:37
SPEAKER_00: So we have seven on the girls' side, we have seven.
2:09:40
SPEAKER_00: One total seven total.
2:09:42
SPEAKER_00: One was uh somebody else, four was Bob to our to our ours.
2:09:48
SPEAKER_02: Bob only won four?
2:09:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:09:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, we were in the state finals so many times.
2:09:54
SPEAKER_00: We lost to Hudsonville Unity so many times.
2:09:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, again, ultimate respect, ultimate respect for what he does over there.
2:10:03
SPEAKER_02: And they're still ridiculous.
2:10:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:10:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he just went from D3 to D2 two years ago.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_00: He won the state championship, state championship the first two years he's been in D2, has not had a goal scored on him in playoffs in four years.
2:10:20
SPEAKER_02: See, and then people listening to this be like, they should have to go to D1.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Why?
2:10:26
SPEAKER_00: Why?
2:10:26
SPEAKER_02: Because your state does that?
2:10:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:10:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, and like our men's lacrosse team, D2, Catholic Central one in D1, we beat Catholic Central in the regular season.
2:10:37
SPEAKER_00: So what do they need to prove?
2:10:38
SPEAKER_00: We already stretch ourselves in our own schedule.
2:10:41
SPEAKER_00: So us going into the Catholic League, the Catholic League and the school will determine where we settle, because you know there's tiers.
2:10:48
SPEAKER_00: But then I still get to craft the other and round out the rest of my schedule.
2:10:52
SPEAKER_00: So I get to decide who I want to play and how I want to be stretched and what kind of group I have.
2:10:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, we scrimmaged Adams, we scrimmaged Bloomfield, we took on Troy, we took on Marion.
2:11:02
SPEAKER_00: Of like, yeah, I'm in D3, but I have a strength of schedule unlike anybody.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna miss that?
2:11:09
SPEAKER_00: I'll still be able to.
2:11:11
SPEAKER_00: I actually am looking forward to it.
2:11:13
SPEAKER_02: How many games is the Catholic Central gonna be or Catholic um league gonna be?
2:11:17
SPEAKER_00: So you play everybody twice.
2:11:19
SPEAKER_02: So what is that?
2:11:20
SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be 12 games, right?
2:11:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then you have that built-in week of the Catholic League finals.
2:11:25
SPEAKER_02: They still do that, still do that, they should get rid of that.
2:11:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's when I pick up a scrimmage with Bloomfield, or like I picked up a scrimmage with Rochester Adams.
2:11:32
SPEAKER_00: So, like, I'm still gonna get a high-level game.
2:11:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the whole goal is like, can you stay in rhythm?
2:11:37
SPEAKER_00: Of like, if you're seated high enough, you have a bye.
2:11:40
SPEAKER_00: So, like, that's a a week and a half is a long time to go without a game.
2:11:44
SPEAKER_00: You've got to stay in a rhythm.
2:11:45
SPEAKER_00: And so that's when like Allen and I at Bloomfield always agreed he didn't have a bye this year, but you like I'll play you in the beginning and I'll play you in the end.
2:11:54
SPEAKER_02: And they're consolidated, right?
2:11:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, they only have one school now.
2:11:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's massive.
2:11:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, we have no business plan.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_00: Playing them.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_00: The pool of players.
2:12:03
SPEAKER_00: What he can draw from and what I can draw from.
2:12:05
SPEAKER_00: But like we can still compete.
2:12:08
SPEAKER_02: Which is nuts because of how small.
2:12:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, how did we always compete?
2:12:13
SPEAKER_02: Sure, we had the high-end players, but not all everybody was.
2:12:16
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
2:12:17
SPEAKER_00: There's a drop-off.
2:12:18
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:12:19
SPEAKER_02: I would say our drop-off here is larger than their drop-off at any public school.
2:12:25
SPEAKER_02: Even like so, why should we move up to division one?
2:12:28
SPEAKER_00: Even like when I just scrimmage Rochester Adams at the end, you know, you get to control what it looks like.
2:12:32
SPEAKER_00: He was like, Do we want to play three?
2:12:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, 330.
2:12:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do you want to like put your starters in the for the first two?
2:12:39
SPEAKER_00: And then and I was like, the problem is I don't care if you want me not to put my starters in.
2:12:44
SPEAKER_00: You won't even believe the drop-off that I have because the bottom third of my kids are rounded out with kids that need a point.
2:12:51
SPEAKER_00: And I want to provide this experience for them.
2:12:54
SPEAKER_00: Like if I cut them, what are they gonna go do?
2:12:56
SPEAKER_02: Not every school has those points.
2:12:58
SPEAKER_00: Nobody does.
2:12:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:12:59
SPEAKER_02: I don't know of a single other school.
2:13:01
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:13:01
SPEAKER_02: And that's why I'm always defensive of the whole recruiting crap and then the just the just the private school thing.
2:13:12
SPEAKER_02: Because it's not just pay your fee and we're gonna recruit recruit you.
2:13:16
SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, there's standards here.
2:13:18
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of these kids don't play, have never played soccer before.
2:13:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:13:23
SPEAKER_02: Some of these kids have certainly don't play club soccer.
2:13:27
SPEAKER_00: There's an academic standard too, and like a rigor in the classroom that, like, you might be a really great athlete, but this might not be a good fit for you because you have to get it done in the classroom.
2:13:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously that's number one here.
2:13:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:13:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there there are programs and there's help.
2:13:44
SPEAKER_00: There's after-school programs, like if your grades aren't where they need to be, you're after school doing tutorial, you know, assistant programs before you can go to practice.
2:13:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:13:55
SPEAKER_00: Because that's the first thing you have to be here, you know?
2:13:58
SPEAKER_02: They're basically doing sharks and minnows.
2:14:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the bust.
2:14:01
SPEAKER_00: It's the bust.
2:14:02
SPEAKER_02: And just add a ball at their feet.
2:14:05
SPEAKER_00: Stay champion, badass over there.
2:14:08
SPEAKER_00: She's the best.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:14:12
unknown: Yeah.
2:14:13
SPEAKER_00: My kids probably aren't even here because they need a ride.
2:14:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't see either one.
2:14:16
SPEAKER_00: I gotta go go home and get them and get him a ride here.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_02: Have Mitchell drive him.
2:14:22
SPEAKER_00: He uh was doing like a Limitless as one of those, you know, strength and conditioning programs.
2:14:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:14:29
SPEAKER_00: He was doing some work there today.
2:14:31
SPEAKER_02: How many days a week is he kicking?
2:14:34
SPEAKER_00: It depends.
2:14:35
SPEAKER_02: Like I saw an NFL kicker.
2:14:39
SPEAKER_02: He was on uh Tim Howard and Landon Donovan's podcast.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_02: And he's saying he only kicks three days or yeah, that's the max.
2:14:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_00: And the year that Mitchell including games.
2:14:49
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
2:14:50
SPEAKER_00: The year that Mitchell, so the first year he had that he had osteomyelitis bone, uh life-threatening bone infection.
2:14:57
SPEAKER_00: The second year he came back, um what?
2:15:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, from the turf.
2:15:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:15:03
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
2:15:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:15:05
SPEAKER_00: So he was playing at Liverpool and he got kicked and he had a hematoma.
2:15:09
SPEAKER_00: So he had just like the typical nope, it's closed, and it looked like a bruise, like a hematoma.
2:15:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay?
2:15:15
SPEAKER_00: Hard lump, painful.
2:15:17
SPEAKER_00: And thought nothing of it.
2:15:20
SPEAKER_00: And then a year later, like I looked at his leg one day and it was like, what's on your leg?
2:15:27
SPEAKER_00: And it was like an inch and it was round, and it was like a draining, fluid was draining.
2:15:34
SPEAKER_00: He's like, I don't know, I've had it the last month.
2:15:36
SPEAKER_00: This is weird.
2:15:38
SPEAKER_00: We were up north.
2:15:39
SPEAKER_00: I text the pediatrician, he was like, doesn't look right.
2:15:42
SPEAKER_00: Take him to the emergency room.
2:15:44
SPEAKER_00: So I took him to the emergency room in Frankfurt, and they imaged, and they were like really odd scar tissue underneath.
2:15:53
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Well, he got kicked there, and oh yeah, that makes sense.
2:15:56
SPEAKER_00: And like, we think it's just some sort of like bug bite or bacterial infection.
2:16:00
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna put him on Cathlex.
2:16:02
SPEAKER_00: We think it's like a cellulitis.
2:16:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay.
2:16:05
SPEAKER_00: Come home the next week, and it was like it had started to like scab, and but it was weird, it like broke open again.
2:16:11
SPEAKER_00: And it was like, this is so weird.
2:16:14
SPEAKER_00: And I, the pediatrician's like, come in, right?
2:16:17
SPEAKER_00: And immediately looked at it and was like, something's not right.
2:16:21
SPEAKER_00: You need to go over to Corwell.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_00: He sent us to a doctor at Corwell who was a country day dad.
2:16:27
SPEAKER_00: I had no idea.
2:16:28
SPEAKER_03: Perfect, right?
2:16:30
SPEAKER_00: He did some imaging, and like an hour later, he was like, You have osteomyitis.
2:16:39
SPEAKER_00: So you have a life-threatening bone infection.
2:16:43
SPEAKER_00: So, in under 24 hours, some context at Country Day got me into Dr.
2:16:48
SPEAKER_00: IResults, one of the most renowned orthopedic surgeons in our area.
2:16:54
SPEAKER_00: He took one look at Mitch, did some imaging, and was like, you have a bodiaps, brody epsis.
2:16:59
SPEAKER_00: This is an infection from bacteria that has gone inward and killed the bone.
2:17:05
SPEAKER_00: You in under a week, we got to run some testing, we got to run your labs, we gotta make sure it hasn't gone sepsis, right?
2:17:12
SPEAKER_00: And as a parent, you're like, Oh my whole world had been flipped upside down, right?
2:17:17
SPEAKER_00: Whole world, like frozen.
2:17:19
SPEAKER_00: He's crying of like, I'm old was he at this time?
2:17:25
SPEAKER_00: He was like, I was about to play varsity football, and that could have been a kicker.
2:17:30
SPEAKER_00: And they did emergency surgery, they did bone degridment where they shave.
2:17:35
SPEAKER_00: So, and in that week, one day I looked at his leg and a piece of bone had come out of the leg.
2:17:41
SPEAKER_00: It was hanging there.
2:17:43
SPEAKER_00: I called Michigan Orthopedic's line that night, and they were like, no, no, no, not possible.
2:17:47
SPEAKER_00: Probably calcified bone, put it in a bag and bring it in.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_00: I bring it in, and Dr.
2:17:51
SPEAKER_00: IResults is like, I've never seen anything like this outside of Africa.
2:17:56
SPEAKER_00: So the body, there was an infection and it had killed the bone, and the body broke it off as if it didn't need it to protect it.
2:18:04
SPEAKER_00: So it protected his body from infection, pushed this dead piece of bone out, created a capsule, created this open sore and rejected it like a bullet.
2:18:14
SPEAKER_00: Like your body would eventually reject a bullet.
2:18:17
SPEAKER_00: If his body never created this portal and did this, we would never know.
2:18:21
SPEAKER_00: And the surgeon was like, he would end up with sarcoma.
2:18:24
SPEAKER_00: Like these, when this happens, you find out you have bone cancer in your 30s, 40s, 50s.
2:18:31
SPEAKER_00: So it's like it really like changed our viewpoint of how appreciative you are, um, specialists and doctors and what they're capable of.
2:18:43
SPEAKER_00: For like six months, he was like non-weight bearing.
2:18:46
SPEAKER_00: He was on more antibiotics than you're on in your lifetime, right?
2:18:50
SPEAKER_00: Because it was a staph infection.
2:18:52
SPEAKER_00: Um from the turf.
2:18:55
SPEAKER_02: And it's from the turf.
2:18:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's from the turf.
2:18:57
SPEAKER_00: And so again, it's made him who he is gritty, appreciative.
2:19:02
SPEAKER_00: He went on and like just played football the next year and was kicking every day because we didn't know any different, doing the same swing, and like halfway through the year, he'd ripped the muscle off the bone, yeah, and spent six months off of his uh quad at the hip, at the hip, spent six months in rehab and came back this last fall, healthier than ever, because he played soccer and he played the cross, and like you can't just do one motion and do it that many times in a week.
2:19:31
SPEAKER_00: There's times he just kicks once.
2:19:33
SPEAKER_00: His form's great, he's got great power, he's got great size.
2:19:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I think he, you know, sometimes he knows I I really can only kick once or twice this week.
2:19:42
SPEAKER_02: How far is his goal kicks?
2:19:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, he's hit at like a 55.
2:19:48
unknown: Yeah.
2:19:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, as a goalie, his service.
2:19:51
SPEAKER_00: I bet exceptional, right?
2:19:54
SPEAKER_00: And he was gonna, they named him a captain, they wanted him to play soccer this year, and he was like, you know what?
2:19:58
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
2:19:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, I wanna kick in college.
2:20:01
SPEAKER_00: This is what I want to do.
2:20:03
SPEAKER_00: He's now learned like he needs to cross-train and do other things, but like, I just want to play football.
2:20:09
SPEAKER_02: How did that schedule work out for him?
2:20:11
SPEAKER_00: This is country day, so they made it work.
2:20:14
SPEAKER_00: Bostart was like, I'll take the crumbs.
2:20:17
SPEAKER_00: You want to play football great.
2:20:18
SPEAKER_00: If you're not there for a game or two, fine, I'll be okay.
2:20:21
SPEAKER_02: And Bossart's been around his entire life.
2:20:23
SPEAKER_00: They made Boster's known since he was a baby, they made a deep playoff run, and he's an old like he's playing in a state championship game.
2:20:31
SPEAKER_00: Just because he's athletic, knew the game, his feet are great.
2:20:35
SPEAKER_02: Did he spend more time like with football?
2:20:39
SPEAKER_02: Or was it pretty easy?
2:20:41
SPEAKER_00: No, he had like a he was always at some like he has to watch film.
2:20:45
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't have to work, and they're not working on special teams every day, but like the day before games there have so like he was always there.
2:20:52
SPEAKER_00: Whether there was a game or not, he was at special teams practice.
2:20:56
SPEAKER_00: He was he would sometimes go to football practice, touch bass, and then go over to soccer.
2:21:01
SPEAKER_00: Yep, you know, yeah, it's a nice little song and dance.
2:21:07
SPEAKER_02: And how is he now?
2:21:08
SPEAKER_02: Completely good, so good, so healthy.
2:21:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he wrote his started writing college essays about like that experience.
2:21:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a that life-threatening bone infection, nobody has.
2:21:21
SPEAKER_02: So, how did the turf cause it?
2:21:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's just the bacteria, right?
2:21:25
SPEAKER_00: Sitting, I mean, these places don't get cleaned, it's true, right?
2:21:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, lots of times our skin shows outward signs.
2:21:35
SPEAKER_00: This one dead and it went internal.
2:21:37
SPEAKER_02: Because remember the whole thing maybe like 10-15 years ago about the rubber pellets in turf and that causing cancer, right?
2:21:44
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:21:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've been on these surfaces our whole life, yeah.
2:21:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it wasn't always this, it was like AstroTurf laid down when we were little.
2:21:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh god, but like, yeah, instantly bleed.
2:21:56
SPEAKER_02: Remember that?
2:21:56
SPEAKER_02: How healthy do you think that is?
2:21:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you watch the rockers play.
2:22:00
SPEAKER_00: Remember the rockers?
2:22:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
2:22:01
SPEAKER_02: Neon?
2:22:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Andy Wagstaff.
2:22:04
SPEAKER_00: God, yeah.
2:22:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
2:22:07
SPEAKER_00: So, like what we were what we saw is so different than the level that our players are exposed to.
2:22:15
SPEAKER_02: So you we talked about the recruiting experience earlier.
2:22:20
SPEAKER_02: Football is completely different.
2:22:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we talk about moneymaker camps, yeah, football.
2:22:25
SPEAKER_02: It's invite only.
2:22:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my my nephew is a three-star.
2:22:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's playing at Eastern.
2:22:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he just had uh surgery, so he's getting redshirted as freshman year.
2:22:34
SPEAKER_02: He graduated last year, okay, had uh shoulder surgery, yeah.
2:22:40
SPEAKER_02: They gray shirted him, meaning you don't you don't come to school until the spring semester, yeah, so that you're not part and you don't lose any eligibility.
2:22:49
SPEAKER_02: We don't have to redshirt you.
2:22:50
SPEAKER_00: And they don't have to pay any tuition, exactly.
2:22:53
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:22:53
SPEAKER_02: There's and then something with his knee happens because he's like injury prone for some reason now.
2:22:59
SPEAKER_02: And so he's getting redshered.
2:23:02
SPEAKER_02: So his freshman year, he's gonna be 20.
2:23:04
SPEAKER_02: And he was already pegged for like starting tight end, yeah.
2:23:07
SPEAKER_02: So it's like, dude, this is only good.
2:23:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you have a narrow window with the new NCAA well the nine and now he has like three years of eligibility, yeah, uh, because of the five and five.
2:23:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, some of that's good.
2:23:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't have a problem with that.
2:23:22
SPEAKER_02: Has he gone to any uh um camps yet?
2:23:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean he did like Eastern's junior day, he was invited to that, right?
2:23:30
SPEAKER_00: We did like Mac here was like pick a small D1 school, pick a mid-level, like he went to Grand Valley's junior invites, yeah.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_00: He did Lawrence Tex, you know, he's still like I don't I don't really know, you know.
2:23:42
SPEAKER_00: I think I think he has a unique story.
2:23:46
SPEAKER_00: I think he wants to play.
2:23:48
SPEAKER_00: Like he was like, I want to go somewhere where I can play right away.
2:23:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and like and then put some tape out and then portal.
2:23:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
2:23:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I mean I think his story has made him really appreciate like I just I just want to do the thing that I love.
2:24:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to go somewhere and sit.
2:24:07
SPEAKER_00: Like I've already sat, it was no fun.
2:24:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean he sat two years.
2:24:14
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
2:24:15
SPEAKER_00: And as a parent, it's so hard to watch.
2:24:17
SPEAKER_00: Watching your child be disappointed, and you can do nothing to change that is so painful.
2:24:22
SPEAKER_02: He sat two years before that.
2:24:24
SPEAKER_00: The first year the bone infection.
2:24:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay, the second year he got like a couple weeks in, and then like they sent us to the emergency room from one of the games.
2:24:33
SPEAKER_00: He was like buckled over, like struck the ball, and like they went into like hip impingement, and they sent us over to the with the pistons doctors of like thinking it was hip impingement, and then found out he'd torn the muscle off the bone.
2:24:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's right.
2:24:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a hit, yeah.
2:24:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I mean, that's life being disappointed, and that's learning to appreciate what we've been talking about the whole time, really.
2:24:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's fun.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that I that you finally agree.
2:25:01
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, no, no, no, and then and then you've won.
2:25:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, now you gotta come in.
2:25:05
SPEAKER_02: And you're like, put me in, coach.
2:25:08
SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
2:25:09
SPEAKER_00: It's so me too.
2:25:10
SPEAKER_00: It is you, right?
2:25:11
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, I told you, I have a zillion things I could say.
2:25:14
SPEAKER_00: We played years of coaching, a teacher, you're a parent.
2:25:19
SPEAKER_00: Like you you you see it from every angle, right?
2:25:23
SPEAKER_00: Of like what I can provide for players.
2:25:25
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not just not being a parent and being part of it.
2:25:30
SPEAKER_00: No, I mean, I I wouldn't be as good of a coach.
2:25:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, I understand disappointment.
2:25:35
SPEAKER_00: I under like there's times my kids weren't put on a first team, right?
2:25:39
SPEAKER_00: Of like in navigating that in your house, like still getting your kids to want to work towards it because they love it, right?
2:25:46
SPEAKER_00: And then like having been a college athlete, you bring that.
2:25:50
SPEAKER_00: Having teaching is a whole nother thing of like daily you are instructing, providing feedback.
2:25:58
SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's a fun combination of things that I bring, and I bring it with confidence now because because I know it works.
2:26:10
SPEAKER_03: I'm so glad we did this.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
2:26:13
SPEAKER_00: We just need a little bob here.
2:26:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh god.
2:26:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:26:18
SPEAKER_02: Could you imagine him on one of these things?
2:26:20
SPEAKER_00: He's got great stories to tell.
2:26:23
SPEAKER_00: You know?
2:26:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you drop his name and Oh, everybody knows him.
2:26:28
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows him.
2:26:30
SPEAKER_02: Everybody.
2:26:30
SPEAKER_02: Samuel Paul.
2:26:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you've got players who've got horror stories of like it was tough.
2:26:37
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:26:37
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes those weren't their favorite memories.
2:26:41
SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's like, I see that I was raised in that environment.
2:26:45
SPEAKER_00: Some of that's not effective anymore.
2:26:46
SPEAKER_00: Was it ever effective?
2:26:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
2:26:49
SPEAKER_00: But it was all we had.
2:26:50
SPEAKER_00: We didn't, we didn't you you couldn't be well over here, it looks like this.
2:26:54
SPEAKER_00: It just looks like that.
2:26:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just like, do you want to play?
2:26:57
SPEAKER_00: Then this is what it looks like.
2:26:58
SPEAKER_02: Do you think club environments have changed and gotten away from that?
2:27:02
SPEAKER_02: Or is club environment still that way?
2:27:04
SPEAKER_02: Is Hawks still that way?
2:27:05
SPEAKER_00: I think the tippy top elite level is still that way.
2:27:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at you know, eventually you have to prep kids for the next level.
2:27:12
SPEAKER_00: Of like, if hawks weren't what they are, how do you put kids in the college world and and they're ready for that?
2:27:20
SPEAKER_00: Because college is there's a standard, there's an expectation, right?
2:27:24
SPEAKER_02: It's a level of competitiveness.
2:27:26
SPEAKER_02: And a place like hawks, it's like if a coach, if a coach in the middle of nowhere says, People are calling me and they want your spot, a lot of times that's just a ploy to get a kid to work harder.
2:27:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:27:39
SPEAKER_02: At Hawks, oh yeah, no, there's actually kids.
2:27:42
SPEAKER_02: There's more than one.
2:27:43
SPEAKER_02: There's probably 30 that I get an email from every day that want to that want your spot.
2:27:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:27:49
SPEAKER_02: And it's just like how many of the girls well, she's still young.
2:27:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to think of like how many of those girls at let's say at 09 Hawks, how many of those really still love it?
2:28:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:28:06
SPEAKER_02: Or really, I remember I played with Billy Weaver, who played at Indiana.
2:28:10
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
2:28:10
SPEAKER_02: And he hated soccer.
2:28:13
SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't just a podcast name.
2:28:15
SPEAKER_02: It was like he hated soccer.
2:28:17
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, then why do you do it?
2:28:18
SPEAKER_02: He's like, yeah, because I'm good at it.
2:28:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:28:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm good at it.
2:28:20
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna give me a free education.
2:28:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:28:22
SPEAKER_02: And he won a national title, barely played, but he would take PKs and stuff like that.
2:28:26
SPEAKER_02: I know.
2:28:26
SPEAKER_02: And it's like that gave him a pretty good life.
2:28:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:28:30
SPEAKER_02: You know, but he hated it.
2:28:31
SPEAKER_02: And I wonder, like, I know my well, Western Euro Flash is the equivalent.
2:28:36
SPEAKER_02: They're the best club in Western New York because that's the only club in Western New York on the girl side for sure.
2:28:42
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of those girls hate it.
2:28:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're so sick of it.
2:28:47
SPEAKER_00: I think I think that's why I and with Dave's help, worked so hard to protect Molly of like she's so little still.
2:28:56
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:28:57
SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't mind hopping in and doing Nick Darren's, but we don't need to train every day.
2:29:02
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:29:02
SPEAKER_00: And again, we don't need to do futsal and do other sports.
2:29:05
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's just like she wants to go to volleyball camp and she wants to, and again, that stuff makes her a better player.
2:29:12
SPEAKER_02: Is she gonna do any track stuff?
2:29:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, her mile time is fantastic, right?
2:29:18
SPEAKER_00: Her her pacer scores are like she set the school record in the mile and the pacer.
2:29:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's like I don't know, I think looking back in my career, there was times I hated it.
2:29:32
SPEAKER_00: There was burnout.
2:29:34
SPEAKER_00: But like when I look back, I'm so glad I finished.
2:29:37
SPEAKER_02: When did you realize that you wanted to be a coach?
2:29:40
SPEAKER_02: If you if you went through this period of like a lot of things, yeah, it's funny.
2:29:42
SPEAKER_00: I talk I talk to people about this all the time of like your career ends at some point.
2:29:49
SPEAKER_00: Whether you finish in eighth grade or you finish senior year and you played high school soccer, or you played collegiately, or you played professionally, one day you're all done.
2:29:58
SPEAKER_00: And there's this lost window of time of like, I don't, I don't really know who I am.
2:30:03
SPEAKER_00: Because for so long, this defined me.
2:30:05
SPEAKER_00: It defined me as a kid, it defined me as a high school athlete.
2:30:09
SPEAKER_00: This is what I did in college.
2:30:11
SPEAKER_00: These are my friends.
2:30:12
SPEAKER_00: Like when I got married, every single girl that stood up for me, I had met her at some point through soccer through soccer.
2:30:19
SPEAKER_00: And so I knew I wanted to teach.
2:30:22
SPEAKER_00: And like Jerry Hansen at the time was that was the headmaster.
2:30:27
SPEAKER_00: I I knew I wanted to coach, but like I'm not gonna lie, I stood there for years and hated it.
2:30:33
SPEAKER_00: It was just like these people aren't very good.
2:30:37
SPEAKER_00: And I am standing here watching them do something I love.
2:30:40
SPEAKER_00: And at some point, it became the the thing that I love the most.
2:30:44
SPEAKER_00: And it brings the same passion and joy that it brought as a player, but it took time because you don't immediately separate yourself as a player, right?
2:30:51
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh yeah, right.
2:30:54
SPEAKER_00: So it's just like I stood with you of like, yeah, this is fun.
2:30:58
SPEAKER_00: But like, like the thing that like drives me and like I know I'm good at and I'm passionate about, no, and I don't I can't really tell you when that happens.
2:31:07
SPEAKER_02: Did it take you a while to be like, oh my god, I'm the head coach now?
2:31:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, yes and no.
2:31:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Bob assisted me.
2:31:15
SPEAKER_02: And then yeah, Bob assisted you.
2:31:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and he was so respectful.
2:31:19
SPEAKER_00: He never once stood on my toes, he never once he just stood there and picked up cones and was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick up cones like you did for years.
2:31:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would bounce things off of him, but it was like, I mean, again, like I think for a while you try to emulate what you think it has to look like.
2:31:40
SPEAKER_00: And again, if if it doesn't look like what it looked like with him.
2:31:43
SPEAKER_00: It I carry pieces of it.
2:31:45
SPEAKER_00: Of course, but it's like not authentic when you try to try to be somebody else.
2:31:49
SPEAKER_00: No, and it's like again, I know who I am, and like part of who I am as a coach is that I am a mom and a former athlete and a teacher.
2:31:58
SPEAKER_00: And you know, and like I I lift now, like I try to challenge myself physically now because like you don't just lose that or you shouldn't lose that.
2:32:09
SPEAKER_00: Like I was an athlete, I'm I'm still an athlete.
2:32:11
SPEAKER_00: I usually like they laugh.
2:32:12
SPEAKER_00: I I've done training before of like send me service and I hit a half volley and I scored, and they just stand there and I'm like, practice is over.
2:32:20
SPEAKER_02: Because you still need that moment exactly, and like with me, like doing the training and everything, like occasionally a ball would come and I would just like and I would hit it.
2:32:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and people are like, Oh yeah, I forgot you played.
2:32:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what do you think I'm doing?
2:32:36
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, yeah, I mean, in forever as a coach, I I wasn't Mitchell Jojo Molly's mom.
2:32:43
SPEAKER_00: And now this generation of kids that I'm coaching right now only know me as Mitchell Jojo Molly's mom because they're in the high school with them, like, and so it's interesting, like you evolve, and like I'm I'm proud of that.
2:32:56
SPEAKER_02: Isn't it nice that you're not identified as one thing?
2:32:58
SPEAKER_02: Because like I because we talk about being identified as a soccer player, right?
2:33:02
SPEAKER_02: And then you're identified as a soccer coach, and then you're identified as a soccer mom.
2:33:06
SPEAKER_02: Right, like because there are parents out there that are only identified as a soccer mom.
2:33:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's what they take, they focus on it.
2:33:13
SPEAKER_02: It's such a narrow focus, right?
2:33:15
SPEAKER_02: Right, and it's like you have a broad and you're a teacher, yeah.
2:33:19
SPEAKER_00: And it's well, and like I care about my kids' mental health of like along inside of this, they've got their own story, they bring their own history, they bring their own trauma, they bring their own skill set, and it's like their own drama, yeah.
2:33:33
SPEAKER_00: You try as a parent to like, you know, there's days that they're irritated and you engage in conversation, and there's days you're just like they're gonna learn more because I didn't say anything.
2:33:45
SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
2:33:47
SPEAKER_00: And some days you're gonna struggle, and some days, like what my kids Molly won Junior State Cup, Mitchell won two state championships, JoJo won two, and Joe and I won one.
2:33:58
SPEAKER_00: We'll never have a year like that again.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_00: That's not normal.
2:34:02
SPEAKER_00: But like, do my kids appreciate it?
2:34:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:34:05
SPEAKER_00: Because I think part of it is like you being like, this is not normal.
2:34:12
SPEAKER_03: It's not normal.
2:34:13
SPEAKER_03: No.
2:34:14
SPEAKER_03: It's not normal.
2:34:17
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
2:34:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:34:18
SPEAKER_02: I love every minute of it.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, Kim, Kim right here played college volleyball and college basketball.
2:34:24
SPEAKER_00: She has three kids.
2:34:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to say where was she able to do both?
2:34:31
SPEAKER_00: Was she Kent State?
2:34:33
SPEAKER_00: It was D1.
2:34:34
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
2:34:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:34:35
SPEAKER_00: Three kids all played college athletics.
2:34:38
SPEAKER_00: Son played college basketball.
2:34:40
SPEAKER_00: Two daughters played college volleyball.
2:34:42
SPEAKER_00: One at Ferris, one at um, she's she transferred over to like a branch in of Penn State, but like she's much the same.
2:34:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, look at her.
2:34:52
SPEAKER_02: How how much do you get out to OU?
2:34:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, how is that?
2:34:57
SPEAKER_02: How is the alumni and the current program?
2:35:00
SPEAKER_02: It there's no such disconnect.
2:35:02
SPEAKER_00: There's such a disconnect.
2:35:03
SPEAKER_00: I think the day the school got rid of Nick, every single one of us was like, no, thank you.
2:35:08
SPEAKER_00: And we're still tight.
2:35:09
SPEAKER_00: We get together, you know, like our teammates are from all over, but like we plan things and so and so is back in town.
2:35:16
SPEAKER_00: Let's get back together.
2:35:17
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:35:17
SPEAKER_00: But like, there's no there's no allegiance there.
2:35:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the allegiance was to him.
2:35:23
SPEAKER_00: I I loved my time with him.
2:35:26
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:35:27
SPEAKER_00: It was demanding, it was challenging.
2:35:29
SPEAKER_00: You got horror stories, and but like I learned so much.
2:35:35
SPEAKER_02: Is Steve Gordon there when you were there?
2:35:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh no, but Gordon Gardner.
2:35:39
SPEAKER_02: Or Gordon Gardner.
2:35:39
SPEAKER_00: Gordon Gardner, goalkeeper coach.
2:35:41
SPEAKER_00: We had such a string of assistant coaches.
2:35:44
SPEAKER_00: We had Ralph Torrey recruited me, then Michelle Brock.
2:35:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:35:48
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:35:49
SPEAKER_00: And then Rick Larson, Andy Wagstaff, Jen Perkins.
2:35:53
SPEAKER_00: So I registered and played five years, and all of those assistants I had at some point.
2:35:57
SPEAKER_02: Really?
2:35:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:35:58
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know there was that much turnover.
2:36:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:36:00
SPEAKER_02: I just thought Jen was there forever.
2:36:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was amazing.
2:36:05
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
2:36:06
SPEAKER_02: What year?
2:36:07
SPEAKER_02: So I was in high school.
2:36:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh 2000.
2:36:09
SPEAKER_02: Did you play ODP with Erica Watley?
2:36:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Watley was my year.
2:36:13
SPEAKER_00: Watley was my year.
2:36:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:36:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
2:36:15
SPEAKER_00: Andy Seed.
2:36:16
SPEAKER_00: They all went on to Michigan State.
2:36:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:36:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:36:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, in goal.
2:36:22
SPEAKER_00: I played in goal with um Renee.
2:36:25
SPEAKER_00: She went to U of M.
2:36:27
SPEAKER_00: It's like you'd play her.
2:36:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, so that was what was cool is like those kids went on and played at universities that you played against.
2:36:36
SPEAKER_02: And that's gone.
2:36:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:36:38
SPEAKER_02: Like you don't get to play against the city.
2:36:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and again, like, do you have to recreate that?
2:36:42
SPEAKER_00: No.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_00: I think it was an avenue for kids to be seen.
2:36:45
SPEAKER_00: And now there are other avenues for kids to be seen.
2:36:49
SPEAKER_02: There's on the boys' side, there could be players.
2:36:53
SPEAKER_02: Like let's say you're the top like high school player.
2:36:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:36:57
SPEAKER_02: You might not even know who the actual top player in your state is because they don't play high school.
2:37:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:37:03
SPEAKER_02: They don't do ODP.
2:37:04
SPEAKER_02: When you have done ODP, it's not like when we were growing up.
2:37:08
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:37:08
SPEAKER_02: I think that's wild.
2:37:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just it's uh I mean there's just so many layers to it.
2:37:15
SPEAKER_00: I think again, it goes back to like having rich and deep conversations with parents and kids about like what are you looking for?
2:37:23
SPEAKER_00: Here's where we see you, here's where you fall within the group of kids you think you fall, here's where you could realistically go, and here's where you could realistically contribute and play.
2:37:34
SPEAKER_00: And I just don't think enough of that happens.
2:37:37
SPEAKER_02: How much pressure do you think some of these kids at Country Day feel from the success of their parents and their peers and their peers?
2:37:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, like kids are committing early to big places, and like there's comparisons all the time.
2:37:56
SPEAKER_00: There's comparisons here in the elementary school, like academically.
2:37:59
SPEAKER_00: That's what oh yeah.
2:38:01
SPEAKER_00: There's reading groups and levels and math groups, and like I could see that.
2:38:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean reading the this is not just you're not just teaching for the average experience, you're not just teaching content.
2:38:12
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing about this place is like I've tested you and here's where you fall.
2:38:16
SPEAKER_00: And so here's the group of kids I'm gonna teach you with that fall in your in your in your range.
2:38:22
SPEAKER_00: Whether that's the tippy top or upper half or the bottom, being at the bottom doesn't mean you're gonna stay at the bottom.
2:38:31
SPEAKER_02: The one thing that I like about the two sport thing or the points is that you really find what you are good at and what your is the is it similar to like instruments and band and I guess other technologies, right?
2:38:48
SPEAKER_02: We saw the the podcast studio and uh and whatnot.
2:38:51
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
2:38:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, is it like that at the lower schools where like they they're exposed to a bunch of different stuff?
2:38:57
SPEAKER_00: Right, like this junior jackets program.
2:38:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, I put my middle Jojo in field hockey, lacrosse, even though it's the same season as mine, it might be what she's good at.
2:39:08
SPEAKER_00: She played soccer, she played volleyball, and all because you can right after school here, I don't need to drive to a bunch of places, and then maybe we can find the thing that you might love and maybe want to specialize in.
2:39:23
SPEAKER_00: But I think you have to try all the things to know.
2:39:26
SPEAKER_00: I put him in soccer.
2:39:27
SPEAKER_00: Dave and I had played, and it was the thing that I loved, but like I I don't need you to play soccer.
2:39:34
SPEAKER_00: It was just great exposure.
2:39:35
SPEAKER_00: Soccer's great exposure and you know, cross tactics and movements to other sports.
2:39:43
SPEAKER_00: You can stay in it, or it's a great springboard to other sports.
2:39:52
SPEAKER_02: Two hours and 37 minutes, and it's easy.
2:39:54
SPEAKER_00: It's easy.
2:39:55
SPEAKER_00: So easy, right?
2:39:56
SPEAKER_00: It is easy.
2:39:56
SPEAKER_02: It's easy catching up.
2:39:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:39:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, yeah.
2:39:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we picked up cones with Bob for Bob for years and laughed.
2:40:04
SPEAKER_00: Like he was he was he was coaching and we were laughing.
2:40:08
SPEAKER_02: I think that time is when I really fell in love with coaching, and it was my time with the with club and here.
2:40:16
SPEAKER_02: And then it's like I don't know, when I left that, when I left it here, that's when I started to fall out of love with the club scene.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I haven't coached club now for 10 years because I just can't do it.
2:40:30
SPEAKER_02: I just have zero interest.
2:40:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's funny.
2:40:32
SPEAKER_02: I think that I could do cut high school yet.
2:40:35
SPEAKER_00: Your podcast when I had to ask for permission here, and like when my mom's like, Oh, what are you doing today?
2:40:39
SPEAKER_00: I was like, she goes, Does he really hate soccer?
2:40:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, No, mom, he loves soccer, but he asks deep questions and he asks questions that people deserve to hear, right?
2:40:48
SPEAKER_00: Of like, we can challenge the system, and the system doesn't have to just look one way, exactly.
2:40:54
SPEAKER_00: And the system is not made for every kid, so you have to to analyze and question where your kid is at and where your players are at.
2:41:03
SPEAKER_00: And like, I was like, no, mommy doesn't hate soccer, he loves soccer.
2:41:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, good, she said.
2:41:09
SPEAKER_00: So I was just making sure I was, you know, doing doing myself good.
2:41:12
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to be on a podcast.
2:41:14
SPEAKER_02: It's called I Hate Soccer.
2:41:15
SPEAKER_00: Good look, Laura.
2:41:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, if I'm ever in an area or you know, where there's kids like why are you here?
2:41:22
SPEAKER_02: Why are you here if you hate soccer?
2:41:24
SPEAKER_02: It's like dude, if you only knew.
2:41:26
SPEAKER_00: If you only knew how much right, like, do you even remember like back in the day, Bob would coach and we would laugh and we'd work hard, but that blooper video at the end of the banquet where like Anna Siloff would like mock him and they would like go through all these blooper moments, like put pillows in their shirts and like use voices and put mustaches on their face, and like they loved it, and he loved it too.
2:41:51
SPEAKER_01: He loved it, and he loved it too.
2:41:54
SPEAKER_00: We were annoying, but he liked us, you know.
2:41:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like such we were just little kids then.
2:41:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like again, like if he handed his cones and said I was done then, I I couldn't do what I can do now.
2:42:06
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have enough, I was not mature enough.
2:42:12
SPEAKER_00: I was like a mom, I don't think I'm a mature.
2:42:13
SPEAKER_00: It was like a mom.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_00: I was like a mom, but I was not mature.
2:42:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I'm mature enough right now.
2:42:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
2:42:20
SPEAKER_00: It's good, right?
2:42:21
SPEAKER_02: It's like it's part of what's like you were saying, you get to play.
2:42:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but kind of like I just get to like joke and just be obnoxious.
2:42:31
SPEAKER_00: I can go out at recess, I can hop in, like and play basketball with my students.
2:42:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not a bad place to be.
2:42:39
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
2:42:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
2:42:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at these kids.
2:42:44
SPEAKER_02: There's boys too, yeah.
2:42:46
SPEAKER_00: So that's the thing is uh Michigan, uh it's it's on the club scene, but like Brother Rice, Catholic Central, they have volleyball teams now.
2:42:54
SPEAKER_02: Good, yeah.
2:42:55
SPEAKER_02: I mean one of the first times I, you know, got into the New York high school scene.
2:43:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wait a minute, you guys got boys' volleyball?
2:43:04
SPEAKER_00: You ever seen college men's volleyball?
2:43:06
SPEAKER_00: It is insane.
2:43:07
SPEAKER_00: I watched Ohio State.
2:43:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the pace at which that service was coming is insane.
2:43:12
SPEAKER_00: They are so tall, they are so athletic.
2:43:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:43:15
SPEAKER_02: My buddy did a club at Michigan State, and even at that level, yeah, I'd go watch those guys, and I'm like, yeah, what in the world?
2:43:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, and that's the thing is like, if you're if your population of students is only so large, what are you dropping?
2:43:30
SPEAKER_00: Because you have to be able to fill rasters.
2:43:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you dropping if you're gonna pick up volleyball?
2:43:34
SPEAKER_00: And like women's flag football is on the rise, it's massive.
2:43:39
SPEAKER_00: At Liverpool, I had a group of little girls that won a national championship.
2:43:43
SPEAKER_00: They were my 2014s, they'd won a national championship, they played against boys in flag football.
2:43:48
SPEAKER_00: It made them so creative.
2:43:50
SPEAKER_00: Their understanding of of scenes, pathways, and movement was exceptional.
2:43:55
SPEAKER_00: And you know, that's there's some high school flag football.
2:43:58
SPEAKER_00: It's not an MHSA yet, but again, what are you gonna drop?
2:44:01
SPEAKER_02: When is that gonna be right?
2:44:04
SPEAKER_00: But you're gonna have to drop something.
2:44:05
SPEAKER_02: What season is that gonna be?
2:44:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is it gonna be fall or is it gonna be spring?
2:44:10
SPEAKER_00: Right, and already fall is like we have field hockey, cross country, uh volleyball, right?
2:44:16
SPEAKER_00: Of like if you have such a small school, how do you field all those teams?
2:44:19
SPEAKER_00: It's why we don't have deep JV teams.
2:44:22
SPEAKER_00: Because you don't have enough kids, right?
2:44:25
SPEAKER_00: In basketball, you do because the roster size is smaller, right?
2:44:30
SPEAKER_02: There are there are girls that are some of my D1 girls players.
2:44:35
SPEAKER_02: They said that if I got the same money offered to me for flag football, I'd choose flag football.
2:44:40
SPEAKER_03: They love it, they love it.
2:44:42
SPEAKER_03: It's coming.
2:44:43
SPEAKER_00: Do you see those clips of um of uh Lions quarterback?
2:44:49
SPEAKER_00: Why am I drawing a blank?
2:44:50
SPEAKER_00: Now at oh oh do you see those clips of his daughters playing?
2:44:53
SPEAKER_00: No my god, you gotta find it.
2:44:55
SPEAKER_00: He coaches his daughters' flag football teams.
2:44:57
SPEAKER_00: The plays they're running, one's the quarterback.
2:44:59
SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
2:45:00
SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
2:45:01
SPEAKER_00: I'd have played, yeah.
2:45:03
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
2:45:04
SPEAKER_02: It's like it would that that sport's coming.
2:45:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I know.
2:45:08
SPEAKER_02: NFL and it's backed by the NFL.
2:45:09
SPEAKER_00: I think like Orion has a team, yeah.
2:45:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, and it's backed by the NFL, they're not gonna let that fail.
2:45:15
SPEAKER_00: It's super cool, but again, here there's only only so much field space.
2:45:20
SPEAKER_00: Everybody has to play two sports.
2:45:21
SPEAKER_00: What are you dropping?
2:45:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, we can hardly field a softball team here, which is wild.
2:45:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, we don't even I think they had like two too deep on their bench, don't have a JV team, haven't for years because the cross is on the rise and it's a cool sport.
2:45:39
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
2:45:40
SPEAKER_00: Find your thing, but like small schools, it's hard to be able to fill rosters with all the sports, right?
2:45:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks for doing this.
2:45:52
SPEAKER_00: It's so fun.
2:45:54
SPEAKER_00: I had to ghost you a few times.
2:45:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no kidding, right?
2:45:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll have to do it again in like a year after you win another one.
2:46:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it'd be great.
2:46:02
SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
2:46:02
SPEAKER_00: We'll tell you all right, good to see you.
2:46:06
SPEAKER_02: I hate soccer.