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Chuck’s Commentary - Trump Is Risking A WAR With His Tariff Threats + Trump Dumps Senator Bill Cassidy · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you I've got a mixed bag
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  Speaker 1: about this entire podcast, because I couldn't be more excited
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  Speaker 1: the state of the world, which I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: to you in a minute. I don't want it to
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  Speaker 1: come across like ipurbole. I really mean it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I am sadly too good at compartmentalizing, so
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  Speaker 1: I have certainly compartmentalized. But yes, I am down here
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  Speaker 1: for Miami. Just got down here, flew from d C.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently d C was the connecting city for all my
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  Speaker 1: get your non stop from Innnianapolis to Miami, you changed
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  Speaker 1: planes in d C. Apparently. Apparently there we have quite
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  Speaker 1: a few nonstops. There are about five or six of them,
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  Speaker 1: so I see where we're Sometimes d National is treated
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  Speaker 1: as a sort of quasi hub from some city. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: there were a ton of Indiana fans a couple of
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  Speaker 1: Miami fans on the plane. But it's been great being
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  Speaker 1: It's a little look. I'm gonna have more to say
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  Speaker 1: about this game at the end. I actually got something
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  Speaker 1: to say about the transfer portal in the state of
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  Speaker 1: college football, because Miami once again is stirring the pot
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  Speaker 1: if you will on that good bad, and indifferent on there.
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  Speaker 1: But let's be honest, college football is the least of
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  Speaker 1: our concerns. Unfortunately for the world right now, I'm obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with the next twenty four hours. Don't get me wrong
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  Speaker 1: on college football, but we're in a serious situation here.
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  Speaker 1: We are in a moment that I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: we are all fully comprehending the moment that we're in.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to put this as a question because
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  Speaker 1: I know it's going to sound I am trying really
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  Speaker 1: hard not to overreact here, But here's the question that
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  Speaker 1: we need to be contemplating. With Donald Trump's use of
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  Speaker 1: paris not just his economic policy, but as a negotiating
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  Speaker 1: and coercive tool, which is what he's doing to Europe
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  Speaker 1: right now increase the likelihood of America stumbling in to
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  Speaker 1: a war. He has started up all sorts of issues,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's on our own border with Canada, where he's
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  Speaker 1: essentially invited China into Canada. This is all Donald Trump's fault,
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  Speaker 1: Canada running into the arms of China. The threats to Europe,
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  Speaker 1: all of our allies right now having to do where
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  Speaker 1: he wants to buy Greenland, and he doesn't want Europe
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  Speaker 1: to stand in the way, and he's already setting up tariffs,
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  Speaker 1: and Europe's actually thinking about using a tool that was
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  Speaker 1: meant because they feared the rise of China. They weren't
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  Speaker 1: gonna fear their friend America. But here we are. And
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  Speaker 1: I know this may come across as a bit dramatic,
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  Speaker 1: and part of it is we've not most of us
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  Speaker 1: haven't been alive the last time, bad American economic policy
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  Speaker 1: drove the world to war. And that's just a historical fact,
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  Speaker 1: which is why I think it's time to start warning
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump could get us to war because at
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  Speaker 1: this point there you know, look, I believe there's always
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  Speaker 1: a line he crosses for somebody at any given moment
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  Speaker 1: where he gets another opponent, even inside his own Republican party. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen this. This has been true ever since
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  Speaker 1: he came down that escalator. He will do something to
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  Speaker 1: chase somebody away, chase people out, of the Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: will be a line too far. Remember Liz Cheney was
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  Speaker 1: with him all the way until January sixth, and then
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  Speaker 1: she was out. Everybody has their lines. Starting destroying NATO
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  Speaker 1: and creating an economic war with Western Europe is going
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  Speaker 1: to be one of those moments. The question is how
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  Speaker 1: many Senate Republicans and how many House Republicans are going
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  Speaker 1: to put the country and the globe ahead of loyalty
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  Speaker 1: to Donald John Trump. And I think that's something I
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  Speaker 1: want you to be thinking about as I go through
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  Speaker 1: this longer distillation here of what we're facing. So I
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  Speaker 1: know I'm sounding a bit dramatic. Imagine how to sound
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  Speaker 1: if the day after Miami lost the title game, if
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  Speaker 1: they lose the title game, be more than dramatic. That's
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  Speaker 1: the point I sort of want to and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to make light of this, but I just focus
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  Speaker 1: on this a minute. It is alarming what has happened.
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  Speaker 1: It is absolutely unarming. So before you roll your eyes,
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  Speaker 1: stick with me here for a few minutes, because I
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  Speaker 1: want to take you down a little bit of history here,
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  Speaker 1: a bit to understand how Trump's use of tariffs right
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  Speaker 1: now have inched us closer to a hot war with
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  Speaker 1: more countries then we've had, arguably since you know, more
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  Speaker 1: than anything post nine to eleven. Because what tariffs do,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you use them for coercive practices, is that
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  Speaker 1: they do change relationships. And when tariffs are not used
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  Speaker 1: or used not as policy but as leverage, especially against allies,
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  Speaker 1: they can quietly turn economic disputes into security problems. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go back in time. It's June of nineteen thirty. United
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  Speaker 1: States passes the Smoot Holly Tariff Act. Holly is no relationship,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, to the current Senator Holly from Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, I've wondered. Most of you probably
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  Speaker 1: haven't wondered, but I wondered, so I checked. But the
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  Speaker 1: intent was simple. At the time, they wanted to protect
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  Speaker 1: American farmers and workers during a deepening economic downturn. Right
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  Speaker 1: this is just after the stock market crash. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: effect of this was catastrophic, and not just economically but diplomatically,
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  Speaker 1: because here's what Smoot Holly did. Smoot Holly raised duties
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  Speaker 1: or taxes on more than twenty thousand imported goods and
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  Speaker 1: so as the Great Depression worsened and prices collapsed. The
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  Speaker 1: effective tariff ray on all these goods that we imported
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  Speaker 1: climbed dramatically, and it approached levels that economists often site
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  Speaker 1: near sixty percent by the early nineteen thirties. And it
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  Speaker 1: was even magnified by deflation. Right, the less our money
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  Speaker 1: was worth, so it even it felt even more expensive.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like it was even higher than that sixty percent.
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  Speaker 1: But the signal to the world was unmistakable. America was
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  Speaker 1: done in the nineteen thirties are prioritizing cooperation. We were
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  Speaker 1: trying to be a global world, right, you go back
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  Speaker 1: to Woodrow Wilson and all of that. But when we
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  Speaker 1: did smoot Holly, retaliation followed. Barriers spread, trade collapsed, and
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  Speaker 1: it slow it collapsed in value terms. Global trade thanks
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  Speaker 1: to the United States and Smoot Holly fell by roughly
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  Speaker 1: two thirds in the early nineteen thirty So what did
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  Speaker 1: this mean? Countries that depended on exports to earn dollars
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  Speaker 1: suddenly couldn't pay debts, They couldn't stabilize banks, and they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't maintain political order. And this is incredibly important because
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  Speaker 1: historians will rightly argue that Smoot Holly did not cause
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  Speaker 1: World War two, but boy did it have a huge impact.
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  Speaker 1: Monetary policy, the gold standard, political extremism, reparations, and capital flows.
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  Speaker 1: They all mattered, and they all impacted Germany and Europe.
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  Speaker 1: But smoot Holly became something else. It also became a
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  Speaker 1: symbol the moment the world began shifting from economic cooperation
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  Speaker 1: to economic survivalism. Does this sound familiar because Europe and
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  Speaker 1: Canada right now are practicing economic survivalism because decades of
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  Speaker 1: cooperation with the United States have been flushed down the
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  Speaker 1: toilet by Donald J. Trump. So here's an undertold story
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen thirties. The real damage wasn't just economic.
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  Speaker 1: It was also diplomatic. When trade becomes punitive, allies stopped
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  Speaker 1: acting like partners and they start acting like hedgers. Again
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  Speaker 1: what Canada just did. Democracies didn't want confrontation, but they
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  Speaker 1: began by building essentially different blocks. Britain, the UK they
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  Speaker 1: had to move towards imperial preference in nineteen thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't ideological, it was simply defensive. Cooperation with
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  Speaker 1: the United States a collapsed, so fallback systems started to emerge,
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  Speaker 1: and once nations start thinking in blocks, economics becomes security
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  Speaker 1: becomes it creeps towards militaries, and if you can't rely
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  Speaker 1: on markets for food, fuel, or raw materials, then leaders
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  Speaker 1: begin to justify territorial logic as quote resource security. We're
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  Speaker 1: starting to see Donald Trump start to talk about that
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  Speaker 1: in terms of Greenland. He's even quietly now starting to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that in terms of Canada, because Canada just
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  Speaker 1: did a big deal with China. Now, the logic didn't
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  Speaker 1: invent aggression, but it made aggression sound necessary. You start
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  Speaker 1: to think you have no other choice. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: secure resources for your country. You've got to secure security.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's water, maybe it's energy. That's the danger zone.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's go back to where we are right now,
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  Speaker 1: because this is not some sort of academic history lesson
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you. We are watching this in
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  Speaker 1: real time. So President Trump is imposed and threatened escalating
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  Speaker 1: tariffs on several European allies explicitly to force them to
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  Speaker 1: allow the United States essentially to buy Greenland. Remember this
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  Speaker 1: is not we don't have a trade dispute with the
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  Speaker 1: EU on steel or autos. These are tariffs, taxes, levies,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, used as leverage for
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  Speaker 1: territorial and strategic gain. Economic bullying is what it is,
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  Speaker 1: and it's being under the umbrella of national security in
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  Speaker 1: the Arctic, and Europe's response is telling you everything you
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  Speaker 1: need to know. EU ambassadors are gathering for emergency talks,
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  Speaker 1: emergency talks on how to respond. The United States cannot
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  Speaker 1: be treated as an ally right now in Western Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we're still a military ally for NATO for the moment,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll get to that. The French President Manuel Macron
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  Speaker 1: has called for the EU to activate an anti coercion instrument.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tool that the EU had, but it had
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  Speaker 1: never been used before. But they developed it because they
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  Speaker 1: assumed they were going to need it to deal with China.
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  Speaker 1: They never thought they were going to have to use
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  Speaker 1: it to deal with the United States. So here's what
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  Speaker 1: this anti coersion law allows the EU to do. It
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  Speaker 1: to restrict access to its market for countries that use
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  Speaker 1: economic pressure to extract political concessions, which is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: Trump's doing. He's using economic pressure to extract a political concession.
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  Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with our trade deficit, This
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with lowering the cost of groceries.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it's going to raise the price of everything.
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  Speaker 1: It is just terrible economics, terrible national security. But other
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  Speaker 1: than that, it's a great idea. In other words, as
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  Speaker 1: streets tariffs, not his trade policy, but his economic coercion.
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  Speaker 1: So if the EU does pull this lever, this will
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  Speaker 1: stop being just a little art argument amongst allies. Then
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  Speaker 1: it becomes a confrontation, a trading block confrontation, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to stop there. Trump's Greenland terror threat is
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  Speaker 1: now likely to freeze USU trade agreement entirely. As one
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  Speaker 1: observer put it bluntly, no deals ever final, not with
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. We all know that, and that sentence should
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  Speaker 1: set off alarm bells in this In Senate Republican conference,
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  Speaker 1: they cannot keep their mouths shut this time. It can't
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  Speaker 1: just be old guy Mitch McConnell speaking out saying what
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  Speaker 1: a disaster this would be. John Thune, grow a spine, man,
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  Speaker 1: stop Trump from taking us to war. He is picking
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  Speaker 1: a war with Europe. Stop this. It's madness. It's got
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  Speaker 1: to stop. And they're the only only entity that can
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  Speaker 1: probably stop this at the moment. The only legitimate entity
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  Speaker 1: are Senate Republicans. We know, Mike Johnson, that's a joke.
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  Speaker 1: We know that he doesn't do anything. But John Thune,
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  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, plenty of Senate Republicans know this is a
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  Speaker 1: complete and utter disaster. This is crazy. We are risking everything,
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  Speaker 1: the value of the dollar, the idea of the dollar
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  Speaker 1: is the reserve currency. Any of you that have traveled
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  Speaker 1: the world and have always remarked how much better things
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  Speaker 1: are here than everywhere else, well that ain't going to
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  Speaker 1: be the case for very long if we stop behaving
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  Speaker 1: this way. This is how the nineteen thirties completely unraveled.
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  Speaker 1: Because once nations believe that agreements are provisional depended on
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  Speaker 1: leverage rather than trust, they're going to stop investing in
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  Speaker 1: cooperation and they're all going to invest in hedges. Which
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  Speaker 1: brings me to Canada. This is the almost undercovered story
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  Speaker 1: of last week, because you know, there's so much other
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  Speaker 1: stuff that Trump throws at the wall. One of the
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  Speaker 1: least discussed consequences of Trump's trade wars for this first
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  Speaker 1: year in office with allies is what those allies feel
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  Speaker 1: compelled to do next. When the United States becomes an
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  Speaker 1: unreliable or worse aputative partner, it means even our closest
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  Speaker 1: friends starting diversifying risk. They'd be idiots if they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Canada has increasingly deepened trade engagement with China. Not because
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  Speaker 1: Ottawa prefers to deal with the untrustworthy thugs in Beijing.
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  Speaker 1: There are a bunch of authoritarians, but because economic coercion
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  Speaker 1: leaves fewer options and he's got to keep the standard
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  Speaker 1: of living of Canadians as high as he can. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is exactly what a democracy has had to do
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  Speaker 1: in the early nineteen thirties when the United States decision
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  Speaker 1: to go protectionists force their hand. And this is why
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  Speaker 1: this for North America. When China gains deeper trade access
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  Speaker 1: into the North American economy north of our border, China
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  Speaker 1: will gain leverage, influence, strategic presence, and the most integrated
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  Speaker 1: economic region in the world in America's backyard. Good job, Donald,
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  Speaker 1: it's not paranoia. It becomes great power competition. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course what happens right then, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: we're in a doom load because now Trump has already
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  Speaker 1: openly expressed frustration with Canada's Arctic defense, linking it to
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  Speaker 1: China and Russia. He's already joked about the fifty first
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  Speaker 1: state business with Canada. But now Canada's done a big
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  Speaker 1: old trade deal with China, one that long ago that
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  Speaker 1: the United States got China to not do business with
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  Speaker 1: China's largest telecom company, yahweh. And in fact it created
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  Speaker 1: this huge dispute. There was this idea that you Canadians
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  Speaker 1: were cooperating with the United States to keep some of
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  Speaker 1: these executives from going back to China. Is a law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement issue kind of cooperation we're going to get from
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  Speaker 1: Canada now and dealing with China. So and then the
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  Speaker 1: more they do this, then Donald Trump starts to rationalize
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  Speaker 1: treating Canada as a threat. Now you see how these
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  Speaker 1: trade disputes get will be turned into security grievances, and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly we push allies to some to do things
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  Speaker 1: that we don't like, and then they become liabilities for us.
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  Speaker 1: But we put we forced them into these partnerships with
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  Speaker 1: our mistreatment of Canada at the beginning of this craziness.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same mental shift we saw in the thirties.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know that the chatter about you know that
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  Speaker 1: Trump's joked about Canada as a strategic vulnerability. But now
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we should laugh any of this off,
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  Speaker 1: because once economic access becomes national security, which is what
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  Speaker 1: this is all sort of stump. This is what I
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  Speaker 1: mean when I don't think Donald Trump thinks he's taking
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  Speaker 1: us to war, but he's stumbling into a point where
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  Speaker 1: he's going to end up getting us into a war.
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  Speaker 1: Because nobody passed Smoot Holly in the United States Congress
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  Speaker 1: thinking it was going to help trigger World War two.
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  Speaker 1: But that is what happened, and they backed into it
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  Speaker 1: step by step, redefining trade disputes and they became existential threats.
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  Speaker 1: So this is how our and then all these all
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  Speaker 1: of these forced partnerships starts changing our vocabulary from our
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  Speaker 1: political leaders, and this idea of coercion and these trade
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  Speaker 1: disputes become normalized, and then we start to see him
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  Speaker 1: as military threats. So I want to bring in a
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  Speaker 1: warning from the historian Robert Kagan what he wrote in
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  Speaker 1: The Atlantic this weekend, and he wrote this, Americans are
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  Speaker 1: entering the most dangerous world they have known since World
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  Speaker 1: War Two, one that will make the Cold War look
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  Speaker 1: like child's play and the post Cold War world like paradise.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, this new world will look a lot like
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  Speaker 1: the world prior to nineteen forty five, with multiple great
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  Speaker 1: powers and metastasizing competition and conflict. Kagan goes further and
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  Speaker 1: he writes this, the United States will have no reliable
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  Speaker 1: friends or allies and will have to depend entirely on
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  Speaker 1: its own strength to survive and prosper The open access
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  Speaker 1: to overseas resources, markets, and strategic bases that Americans have
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed will no longer come as a benefit of the
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  Speaker 1: country's alliances. Instead, they will have to be contested and
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  Speaker 1: defended against other great powers. And then he warns Americans
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  Speaker 1: are so accustomed to this basically peaceful, prosperous, and open
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  Speaker 1: world that they tend to think of it is the
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  Speaker 1: normal state of international affairs. They can't they can't imagine
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it up. And yet that's exactly what's happening. Donald Trump
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is like purposely unraveling this world. He's purposely doing it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: This has been the greatest two weeks of Vladimir Putin's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: efforts to defang the United States in the West. This
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is better than anything he did in sixteen to hack
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the election. This is better than anything he's done with Ukraine.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, it's astonishing. This is a dream scenario for
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Chinese and the Russians, absolute dream scenario, the post
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty five world that all of us have benefited from.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: We can say, we can talk about plenty of things
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that have not gone as well as they should, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: trust me, we are at the top of the heat
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in this globe. Economically, strategically, militarily. This endangers all of that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: This was no natural order of history. This was built
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: by us. This was maintained by us, and now it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: being dismantled by us. That third one was not what
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Americans voted for, even those that wanted America first and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: wanted out of these foreign wars. I promise you, if
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you knew it came with this, you wouldn't support this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Do you want America to be weaker and have less
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: friends and less prosperity. If you do, then let's continue
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: with these policies. If you don't, you better speak up,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: You better talk to your favorite Republican senator, because this
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: has got to stop. This is so catastrophic it'll set
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: us back generations plural. So I'm going to go back
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to my opening question. Could Donald Trump's use of tariffs
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: as a coercive tool increased the likelihood of america'stuma into war,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not directly and not intentionally, but history tells us that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this much is true. When trade stops being cooperative and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: starts being punitive, especially amongst countries that all thought they
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: were allies, miscalculation becomes more likely, not less so. Smooth
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Holly didn't directly cause World War Two, but boy did
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: it help create the conditions for it. It helped usher
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in a world where cooperation collapse, trading blocks hardened, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: strategic distrust flourished. It allowed a guy like Hitler to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: say he had to expand Germany's territory simply because it
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: needed access to resources to survive. And that's what you
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: will start to have more countries rationalizing it just essentially,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is rationalizing this land grab of Greenland in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that way, he's rationalizing doing whatever the heck we're doing
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in Venezuela. We apparently don't give a shit about theocracy
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in Venezuela because we've we've yet to actually call for
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it or argue for it, to plan for it. All
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: he wants is a minion to do what he's asking
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: them to do. And if this former Maduro number two
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: just pays the duty to the mob boss here, He's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: gonna let her be. He doesn't give a shit about
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: democracy in Venezuela. What has he done? Here we are,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So the lesson is smooth, Holly. Isn't just that tariffs
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: are bad economics, they are. The deeper lesson is that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: economic coercion corrodes alliances, and alliances are what prevents small
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: crises from becoming large ones. So here we are. Greenland
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is not just a land mass. Canada isn't just a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: trading partner in Tariffs aren't just taxes. They are choices.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: They are specific choices, and this president has chosen all
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of them. And he's essentially chosen a route to either
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: coerce people or to start wars. There's no other There's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: no in between here. So history's Look, I've said this
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. When the biggest country in the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: world goes isolation his goes out of isolationism. So is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: everybody else. Right When the United States says free trade
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is the way to go, everybody wants in on the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: free trade agreements. We have been calling the shots, despite
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the bullshit that Trump's been silent for the last ten years.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he gets to call the shots his way.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: The guy, I guess never took an economics course, not one.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And look what he's doing. And again I don't think
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he's trying to get us into a war, but every
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: action he's done has brought us closer to it. It
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: should scare the Jesus out of everybody. But most importantly,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this madness can stop. This has got to stop. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: there's only one entity that has any leverage to do
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it and credibility to do it if they have any
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: credibility left, and it's Senate Republicans. So get your act together.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Stop this madness. I mean, it's bad enough what he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: doing to the FED and risking, you know, the credibility
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of harmonetary system for the world. This is even worse,
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  Speaker 1: A few other things that I wanted to make note of. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the big, the big political news is Donald Trump's decision
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  Speaker 1: to indeed go after Bill Cassidy, Republican Center from Louisiana,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: despite all of Cassidy's efforts to suck up to the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Trump administration, give Robert F. Kennedy Junior and his kooky
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  Speaker 1: health ideas, all the benefited out in the world, all
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the lies that Kennedy told him, and sort of Cassidy
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: ate it. He took it, and he took it for
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: one reason. He was up for election this year, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he was just hoping that he showed he could be
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  Speaker 1: a team player work with the Trump administration on a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: handful of these issues that maybe he wouldn't endorse against him. Right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily hoping for the endorsement. Now, remember what
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Cassidy did right. Cassidy is one of the seven Republican
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: senators who chose to vote to convict Donald Trump. He
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was probably the most surprising one at the time. A
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised because you saw him. Most
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: people thought it would be retiring senator centators that weren't
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: going to be trying to see he was in his
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: first term. It was, and he's from a super red state. Well,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Julia let Lowe a congresswoman who has been some have
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: been trying to recruit her to come against to run
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in this primary. Trump officially endorsed her. Now, the primary
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: deadline filing deadline is February thirteenth. You know, let's see.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: My guess is Cassidy's going to do some polling. He's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: going to see And I remember Louisiana changed its rules
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Cassidy and the old in the in the you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: literally they changed their rules just as to get rid
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of Cassidy. All the more reason why I don't know
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: why Cassidy didn't sort of push back a little bit
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: harder at Trump. I mean, why he thought this was
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: going to work is beyond me. But he, like everybody else,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the lesson of the frog and the scorpion.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: He gave the scorpion the ride with Robert F. Kennedy,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and scorpion has now stung him. But Louisiana Republicans got
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: out of the Louisiana was kind of like Washington California.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: All everybody participates in the primary. If nobody gets fifty percent,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: then the top two meet in a runoff. There's slightly
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: different from Washington State in California in that if you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you know and regularly you know, you have Senate races.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Got all their campaigns were done this way. Well, they
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: created this new federal carve out. All of it was
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just designed by sort of mega Republicans in Louisiana to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: target Bill Cassidy. So he's got to deal with a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: regular old Republican primary where a Trump endorsement's probably enough
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to win or loose, depending on which side of the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: endorsement you're in. So Cassidy's in big trouble. Let's see
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: what happens. He doesn't have the benefit of that there.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: You know. I happen to believe he should be running
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: as an independent. Maybe he chooses to do that. I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: think the only path the reelection for him was is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to run as an eye and promise that if he wins,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: he will caut us with Republicans a la Lisa Markowski.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I think there's a path for him if that, if
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: if he chose to go to go down that road.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what he does. I'm speculating on the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: independent run. That's not anything that's out there. I know
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that Cassidy at least kicked the tires or at least
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: took the phone calls of the folks that at no
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: labels back when they were looking for a sort of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: compromise asidential candidate. So I don't think he feels any
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: sort of loyalty at this point to Trump's Republican Party.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So you know, if he really wants to be a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: United States senator, I think a path exists. I don't
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: think it means running as a Democrat. I think that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: would be a mistake. I don't think he could do that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: But if he said, if he pulled the Lisa Murkowski
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: run as an independent, that's his path if he wants
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to win, and if he wants to try to try
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to plan a flag to to sort of have a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: say in what the Republican Party might look like after Trump.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But you got to go win first, and you gotta
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: have the guts to do something like this. Ain't easy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It's more likely to lose than win. But if you've
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: if you've got principles, you want to fight for Senator Cassidy,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that's the path to do it. I think he is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the type of guy that could win just enough Democrats,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: just enough Republicans probably have. Look, there are a lot
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of Democrats that might have that are pretty upset with
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: him over this Kennedy debacle. I mean, look, people are
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: dying because Robert F. Kennedy Junior is Secretary of Health. Okay,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he his these decisions are directly impacting the health and
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: wellness of young people. So there's there are going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: be people that maybe won't be able to support Cassidy
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that might have a year ago had he chosen this path.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: But I wonder now if he's going to hold back
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and what he has to say. We've seen that when
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Tom Tilli's announced that he's retiring instead of running a primary,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: praying that somehow Trump was going to endorse him, which
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he never was. You know, Tillos was the first Republican
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: out of the gate to say he wasn't going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: confirm a single new Trump appointed to the FED until this,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: until this trumped up investigation by Jennin Piro was dropped.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to watch what Cassidy does. I'm not
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: convinced he runs as a Republican. I'm not convinced he runs.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But we'll see what he does. But this is a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: big deal, and this was against I mean, this is
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump not caring about the future of the Republican
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Party he wants, you know, he cares about his retribution
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: more than anything else. He cares about his grievances more
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: than anything else. And this is something that I try
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to repine my Republican friends. He does not care if
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: there's a Republican party that's viable come January twenty first,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine. He does not care. He will be
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: perhaps more happy if he is seen as the only
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Republican that could win the presidents So I always remember
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: he is never, rarely making a decision that's in the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: best interest of the party in the long term. He
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just cares about what's in the best interest of him.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: So we shall see. Very curious to watch what mister
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Cassidy does. All right, with that let's sneak at a
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  Speaker 1: matter than and why it still matters down. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: taking to you. I'm going to take you back to
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  Speaker 1: January twenty second, nineteen sixty four. I wonder if you
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  Speaker 1: guys know where I'm going here before I actually say it.
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  Speaker 1: Just days after winning the heavyweight championship of the world,
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  Speaker 1: a twenty two year old boxer still widely known to
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  Speaker 1: the public as Cassius Clay, stood before reporters and did
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  Speaker 1: something that stunned the country at the time. He announced
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  Speaker 1: that he had converted to Islam. He rejected the name
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  Speaker 1: Cassius Clay, and he made clear that he would no
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  Speaker 1: longer behave the way America expected its champions of boxing
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  Speaker 1: to behave. From that moment forward, he would be known
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  Speaker 1: as Muhammad Ali. At the time, this was not treated
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  Speaker 1: as a personal or spiritual decision. In many ways, this
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was treated as a provocation. It's hard to overstate how Jarring.
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  Speaker 1: This actually was back in nineteen sixty four. Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: had yet passed the Civil Rights Act. You've heard me
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  Speaker 1: say before. Honestly, I don't think we've really been a
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  Speaker 1: multi ethnic democracy until nineteen sixty six. Okay, Ali wasn't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: just famous, he was the heavyweight champion. And back then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: boxing was number two or three. Okay, it was baseball, boxing, football,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: horse racing, right, those were the big four NBA. Way
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: down the list, NHL you needed binoculars to find out
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on the list heavyweight champ. Whoever was the heavyweight champion
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of the world always was among the most famous people
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in the world, or at least in this country. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it carried enormous symbolic weight. We expected our heavyweight champions,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: even in eras when we were a racist, openly racist
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: country and we had a black champion. There was this
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: idea that we always unified around our heavyweight champions. Champions
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: were supposed to unify the country. They weren't supposed to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: challenge it. Well, I'll lead to the opposite. He was loud,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: he was confident, he was politically aware, and he was
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of course religiously nonconforming, and he didn't ask to be embraced.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: He didn't soften his message, and he didn't explain himself
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in ways that made others comfortable. In fact, he wanted
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to make us uncomfortable. At the time, sports writers mocked them,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: political leaders questioned his loyalty to the country. Much of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: White America recoiled not because he boxed, but because he
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: refused to assimilate in the way they want him to assimilate.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Trust me, those Ali Fraser fights. Back in the day,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: white America was with Joe Fraser, Black America was with
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali was talk about something that was hard on
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Joe Fraser as well. So what Ali exposed almost immediately
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was an unspoken rule. You can succeed in America, but
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: only if you're grateful, deferential, and quiet about who you
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: really are. Well, Muhammad Ali was none of those things.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: So why did this feel threatening at the time. Well,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Ali's name change wasn't just about religion. It was about ownership.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: He rejected a name that he associated with slavery, He
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: rejected expectations of obedience, and he rejected the idea that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: fame required submission to some sort of rule book. In
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, Okay, that combination hit three nerves all
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: at once, race, religion, and patriotism. So to say, it
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: sparked a lot of outrage. As and understatement, we didn't
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: even have social media then. The press did not treat
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: him as a young man asserting autonomy. The press back
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: then treated him as a problem to be managed. The
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: sports can I just tell you so. Look, there were
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: some great sports writers back then, but there were a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: lot of sports writers that were just terrible and terrible humans.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: The treatment that Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: got from sports writers simply because they had a political
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: opinion was when you look back on it, just outrageous,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: just outrageous. But two years later, Ali's transformation from controversial
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to outright villain even accelerated when he refused induction in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the US military during the Vietnam War. The backlash was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: swift and severe. He lost his heavyweight title, he lost
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: his eating, couldn't even get a license to box. He
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: lost four prime years of his career. It's one of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the keys, basically one of the greatest heavyweights of all time,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and he lost four years of his career to some
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sort of unofficial political banishment because he was labeled as
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an American ungrateful and dangerous, but Ali didn't change his beliefs.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: When the pressure intensified, he absorbed the punishment, and he
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: paid the price in real time. But something else was
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: happening slowly, unevenly, and almost reluctantly. The Vietnam War grew
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: more unpopular, the civil rights movement exposed, deeper hypocrisies, Distrust
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of institutions spread, and in retrospect, Ali's stance began to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: look less radical and instead a bit more prophetic. Court
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: rulings eventually vindicated him. Public opinions softened, and Ali returned
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to the ring, not just as a fighter that is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a symbol of endurance. I'm sure he was polarizing, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: he wasn't dismissed anymore. Now, this part often gets overlooked,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but Ali didn't just wait for America to come around.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Ali evolved as well. He remained principled, but he also
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: became more reflective as he got older, more generous in
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: tone on his and more willing to let humor, grace,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and vulnerability soften the message. Parkinson's disease cruel as it
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: was transformed how the public saw him. He no longer
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: was a threat. They finally saw him as a human being.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And then Ali himself leaned into that humanity, but he
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: never leaned into it. By recanting, he neologized, but he
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: did allow the country to see him not just as
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: a defiant rebel, but as a man who carried conviction
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: at great personal cost. And if you want the clear
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: symbol of how America came back to Ali, for those
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of you a certain age, you'll never forget this moment
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six Atlanta Olympics. There's Muhammad Ali, a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: gold medal winner. That's why he was there. His hands
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: were shaking, his bodily body was badly weakened, you could
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: see it. And he lit the Olympic torch. Same man
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: who was once stripped of his title, once branded unpatriotic,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: was now celebrated as a unifying national icon. Same beliefs,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: same past, different memory. So this is why I thought
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I'd do a little try to be in a weird way,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: try to be a bit uplifting with the time machine today.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: So January twenty second, nineteen sixty four matters. It reminds
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: us that societies are often terrible at judging dissent in
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: real time, and we're remarkably generous at celebrating it later.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Ali didn't change America overnight. America changed its story about Ali, though,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and that tells us something important that's just about him,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: but about all of us. We love our rebels once
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: they're no longer dangerous, We on our courage once the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: cost has been paid, and we smooth the rough edges
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of history to make ourselves feel wiser than we actually
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: were at the time. So look, when we look back
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: at Muhammad Ali, we shouldn't just marvel at the arc
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: from villain to hero. We should ask a harder question,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: who are we dismissing today that we'll pretend we understood tomorrow.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: January twenty second, nineteen sixty four wasn't the birth of
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a hero. It was the moment America was challenged, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: at the time America didn't know how to respond. They
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: eventually figured it out. All right, let's do a few letters. Letters.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Listen to me, letters. I have these letters the mail
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: bag right the post office drops all these letters as Chuck,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: probably only going to do three or four. We'll see
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: how I feel, right, all right? Anyway, all right, first
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: question comes from Jason Williamsburg, Virginia, and he says, hey, check,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I found your podcast through Chrystalism. I've really enjoyed the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: new iteration. Thank you, Solissa. Appreciate that brother, especially as
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: someone who lives in the middle politically. I appreciated the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: year in Top five books list. It pushed me to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: read titles I might have skipped, like one hundred and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: seven Days The Drift and Faithful Hours. Currently reading The
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Barn after hearing your interview, such a powerful conversation, No
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: question here, just heartfelt thanks. Even if we'll always see
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: sports through orange and blue glasses and go Gators. Wow,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: when a Gator can say something nice and I can
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: say something nice about the Cators. You are a great university.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's a really good academic institutionaire in the state of Florida.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So I should I should give the Gators a little
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: bit more credit than that. So glad you brought up
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: The Barn. Man. I've been thinking, Man, I got it right, Thompson,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: all the guests I've had, I'm like, who's the guy
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I want to I just want to watch him watch
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: sort of watch America's two hunred and fifty eeth birthday
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: with almost constantly. It's with right Thompson anyway, He's uh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm glad, glad you're enjoyed the barn. That's great to hear.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Patrick from Waterford, Michigan. Rights, Hey, Chuck, congrats your canes
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and that incredible fiesta. Ble just bought my fiestable victory
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Victory and sut at the Hurricane store today. Patrick, he goes,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I'm struck by the hypocrisy of treating Ashley Babbitt as
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a martyr while labeling Renee good as a domestic terrorist.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He actually Babboitt, of course, was the woman that was
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: killed on January sixth, Renee Goods, the woman that was
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: killed during that confrontation with an Ice officer a couple
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago. With recent GOP resignations and death, what's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: their current House majority? Three? If it's that slim, could
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you see any Republican temporarily becoming independence to shift control
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and restore function to the Chamber. Anyone like Don Bacon
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: or Thomas Massey come to mind. Patrick, You know, that's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: an interesting question, and I don't rule anything out right
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: if you look at it, and it goes back to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: my opening monologue today, the erratic behavior of this administration
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: as a lot of I think Republicans, particularly ones that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: are retiring, that could be in a different spot. Look, politically,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it's terrible for the Democrats to get control of the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: House before November, but it may be that the country
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it happens, maybe maybe you know, who's to say if
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: leadership isn't responding properly to this threat in Europe. I mean,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: if if it really feels like he's going to start
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: pounding war drums with Canada and Europe over this Greenland
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: business or with the Chinese trade deal that Canada struck,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule anything out. I think you've identified. I
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: think Bacon is the right guy to identify. Maybe Massy right,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you could picture both of them. They're both going to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: be serving out if mass can lose his primary, but
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: he's still a member of Congress for the rest of
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. So look at this point, I don't
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: rule anything out. It's all of those scenarios unlikely, sure,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: but we haven't had House majorities this slim going back
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to the turn of the nineteenth and twentieth century, So
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it's I don't expect any of those things though, unless
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: there's a perceived emergency. I know some of you may say, well,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: isn't Trump's danger right now in emergency? I hear you.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I think for plenty of us that does sort of
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: meet the definition of emergency. So that's the only that'd
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: be the only way I could picture that scenario where
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you lawmaker switching in any of that stuff. Um, all right.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Next question comes from Mike, and he writes, Hey, really
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast in your thoughtful coverage. I've been wondering
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: what if policy experts drafted we the People bills on
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: issues with seventy percent plus public support, like campaign finance
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: or gun control, and voters pledged not to support reps
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: who refused to pass them. Could that force action on
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: popular issues that never get a vote due to the filibuster?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Also sports trivia for you do know the pro team
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that won the most games in its league in a
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: season but still miss the playoffs? Thanks for all that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you do, Mike. Huh the pro team. That's interesting the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: way you put pro team there that won the most
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: games in its league in a season but still missed
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm going to guess it is. I believe
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: it's the Cincinnati Reds. From nineteen eighty one, So nineteen
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: eighty one had that. Yes, I'm gonna guess. I hope
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you file back. I'll look it up later. I did
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: not pre I never do that. I want, I always
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: want to answer the question sort of this. Well, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: do research if I feel like I need to answer
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the question. But with the trivia question, I'm keeping one
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: on that yet. I think I think my answer is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds nineteen eighty one. That was the bait. It
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: was a split season, the strike happened sort of, they
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: literally had we had It was the first time they
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: ever had divisional playoffs, and then of course we now
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: have them in the past. So I think the Dodgers
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: won the first half of the nl WES, the Astros
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: won the second half of the nl WES. The Reds
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: finished second in both. Right, but what and then once
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you decided you won one, you didn't really have to
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: if you already knew you were in the playoffs, you
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: didn't really have to worry about uh, if you're in
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the place, he didn't really have to worry about competing
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: in the second time. So I believe and I remember
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: then that the Cincinnati Reds that was I think it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: was them, but it was some team and it sticks
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: with me. There was red back then. The Reds were
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: in the NL West. That goes in the crazy horrible
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: divisions we used to have, and so I think that's it.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: So they didn't get into the playoffs because they finished second.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I believe in both halves of that season. Mike, I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: hope that's the one you have, because then I'll feel
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: really smarty pants about myself that one. All right. Last
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: question goes from it's gonna be a little Packer question
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: here and goes Chuck Chuck. Chuck. Appreciated your take on
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the Packer's bear rivalry. But you've got to grow You've
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: got to grow up with it to really understand it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It goes way deeper than football. It's big city, arrogant
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Chicago for a small town friendly this Wisconsin. Oh, buddy,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I know that. My father, Waterloo, Iowa. Okay, why was
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: he a Packer fan? And water Looiowan, who was growing
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: up as a kid in the fifties because you hated
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: everything Chicago and who was Chicago's greatest rival was the Packers.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: So that was why he became a Packer fan exactly
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: for what you're defining there, all right. But you know, now,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Iowans are split between I think the Vikings and the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Chiefs these days more than more than the Packers. But
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I digress. But yes, he goes. Bears fans often say
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: they're treated great at Lambeau. Not so much for Packers
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: fans at social field, mind you, not like the respectful
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Packers Vikings rival Go pack Go John As keep up
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the great podcast. So no, no, no, You're right about
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the whole Chicago arrogance thing. That is absolutely why. That
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: is absolutely why my dad became a Packer fan. It
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: was being anti Chicago, no more, no less. All right,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: A quick word on this in this football game. A
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: few things, and I'm gonna make it a bit Miami
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: as in the community centric more than anything else. It's
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: been amazing to watch this town really get fired up
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: about their Hurricanes, because you know, when Miami went its
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: first national title in eighty three, this was still a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Dolphins town and by the way, deserved Okay, it was
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: a deserved Dolphins town. They made everything else run there
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: was We had no other pro sports. It was just
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins. The heat would come in nineteen eighty seven
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and then the Hurricanes rose up and Hurricane football, you know,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: became the number two thing to the Dolphins. I still
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: have that great cover Marino and co Sar on the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated. You know, it was eighty It's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: it's you know, that's what that was. That was what
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: going viral meant back in the eighties. What's amazing now
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: is I think the Hurricanes are now the number one
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: team in South Florida, the number one the number one
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: team in Miami. I mean the Dolphins are just in
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: this funk that is now three generations. I mean it
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: is basically what Marino retires sometime in ninety nine, ninety eight.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like I go back to that sixty three
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: to seven long that the Dolphins had in the playoffs
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think it was Johnson's last
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: year's coach, Jimmy Johnson's. It just feels like like that
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: was like this exclamation point. You know, Marino makes a
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: super Bowl in his first year as a starter, second
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: year as a pro, and the assumption was, oh, he's
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be back to so many super Bowls, never gets
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: back to another one. That Dolphins haven't really think they
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: were in one other AFC title game, maybe two if
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping track. So it is this time to watch
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: this town. I have to say, is it is absolutely
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: become a Hurricanes football town. We love football here. High
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: school football is so popular. All the dominant high school
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: football teams in the state of Florida, almost all of
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: them are either in Miami, Dade County, Broward County. You know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: South Florida really is one of the dominant sort of
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: high school football areas in the country. So football is
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: just you know, so whoever's the winner. And look, some
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: people say it's fair weather. It's not fair weather. We
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: show up for winning teams. Miami fans don't show up
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: for losing teams. Now, I show up for all my
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Hurricane games because I love my games and I feel
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: that loyal to them. But it's I have to say,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: in the hierarchy, I think it's Kane's football one right now.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I still think the Heat are two and the Heat
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: had the number one spot. I'd argue for a bit there.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: My friend Barry Jackson at The Herald might have I'd
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: love his opinion on this, and Dan Lebtard what they
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: think of this. But I think I think the Heat
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: was sort of in that one slot for a while there,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: but we didn't like them there, right. We always wanted
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: one of the two football teams to get there. The
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Dolphins are the Hurricanes. So the Hurricanes getting good and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: right back. But you know, right now, I'm wondering if
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: if the MLS team and essentially messy is number three,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and are the Dolphins four? Are the Dolphins fourth? Why
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: they got to get this new coach, right, They got
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to get a new quarterback, They got to get some
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: new juice here. It's you know, it's like watching what's
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: happened to the Dolphins, very similar to what I've watched
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: front row seat with the Commanders and the Washington football
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: team over that period of time. But unlike the Washington
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: football team, I think the Dolphins have a good owner.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: It just they've just chosen poorly when it comes to quarterbacks.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: They've just not gotten it right since Marino. And it's
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: however you want to look at it, it's been a mess,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: but it has just been fascinating. I feel like there's
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: more support from Miami Hurricane football right now than I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: have ever seen in South Florida. Part of it has
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: been a while since we've had some winning football around here.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a lot of thirsty
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: people running to the water, cold water, and that cold
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: water is being delivered by the University of Miami. But
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that's been heartening to watch. So look, I am, I'm
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: obviously recording before the game. Some of you may hear
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: this after the game. I'm pretty confident it's going to
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: be a close game. I am. I would be shocked
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: if Miami lost by more than I'd be by more
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: than one score okay, three, seven, eight, Okay, I'd be shocked.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I think that the line is sort of absurd.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: A few things I'm worried about. If Miami loses a
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: close game because they fizzle in the fourth quarter, Well,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Miami's played three playoff games to get here, h and
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: had to play all four quarters. Indiana's only I had
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to do two and only had to really play two
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: quarters in each game. Right, They are a little better
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: arrested than Miami is. I worry that the Old miss
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: game felt like a war of attrition, and we've got
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: we're we're already of you know, so I worry about
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: depth a little bit. I worry about just exhaustion. These
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: guys rare. No, nobody plays sixteen games very often. Now
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna obviously with the playoff coming full full uh,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you know, becoming a full time thing, this will happen.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: We'll have it. Eight or ten teams have to play
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: at least, you know, thirteen, fourteen, and then the final
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: two teams play sixteen games when all said and done.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But it's uh, that's the one thing I'm worried about.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's the strangest thing. And I shared
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: this with you before the last time Miami was an
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: underdog at home playing for a national title at home
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: was against a team whose colors were red and white,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: those big bad Nebraska Cornhuskers, and they were I think,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I think I read today, I'm not going to remember
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: this one. I read this today. They were eleven and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: a half point favorites. It's a great game, one of
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the all time games. And by the way, if Nebraska
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: had gotten the two point conversion, there was forty seconds
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: left in that game. Bernie Kosar was not losing that game.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Miami was going to win that game. They would have
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: just had to win. The final score would have been
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: thirty four to thirty two, thirty one thirty. But that's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: how co Star was not going to be stopped. That
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: game just wasn't going to be stopped, and that Nebraska
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: defense was exhausted. They could not cover our guys. It
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. So we'll see. There's a little
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: bit of a weird news. Looks like Miami's got its quarterback.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I think as Darrin Mensa is his name from Duke. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad Miami's got this quarterback. Look, I'm not comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with the circumstances. I don't believe Miami tampered. I actually
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  Speaker 1: believe that the fact that Ty Simpson, the quarterback that
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  Speaker 1: decided to stay going pro, where he went public saying
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  Speaker 1: Miami offered him six and a half million dollars to
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  Speaker 1: pull out of the NFL draft like Carson Beck did
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  Speaker 1: and play one season for Miami. He chose to pursue
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  Speaker 1: the NFL draft. It was weird that he decided to
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  Speaker 1: go public with that, with how much Miami offered. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you tell me that the an agent or a
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  Speaker 1: family member of Mensa said, WHOA, Miami needs a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: and they're willing to pay six and a half. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Mensa is better than Ty Simpson. Yes, Mensa's better than
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  Speaker 1: Dye Simpson. How much could he get? So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very possible, you know, I don't I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to presume nefarious things. I don't think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think with so many eyeballs on Miami,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Miami's breaking any rules. There's barely any
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  Speaker 1: rules with this anyway. But I don't think they think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be super careful. So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be a tampering situation or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. It's just you think you have a contract
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  Speaker 1: with a player. Look, Miami was on the other end
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  Speaker 1: of this last year with a couple of receivers. Shoot
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  Speaker 1: Duke was the predator on Tulane in sort of a
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  Speaker 1: similar situation to get Mensa in the first place last season.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying they're good guys. Are
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  Speaker 1: bad guys here. The system sucks and you think you
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  Speaker 1: have a contract. You know, they thought they had him
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  Speaker 1: for a two year deal with this revenue share, and
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  Speaker 1: it turns out even a contract is not a contract.
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  Speaker 1: That's got to change. And like I said, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: Miami got. Miami probably ended up with a better quarterback
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  Speaker 1: than any of the three they pursued. I think Mens
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  Speaker 1: is that better than Sam Levitt, Mensus, better than Teddy Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: Mens is probably better than than uh than Soresby. But
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  Speaker 1: if the roles were reversed, we'd all be crying foul
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  Speaker 1: to be complaining and then to do it in conference,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a mess. And then of course here in
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  Speaker 1: Miami it's the whole Many Dias Mario thing, so it
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  Speaker 1: becomes this weird Cuban Cuban rivalry too, you know, Many Dias,
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  Speaker 1: It's always kind of been. I think, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: father is one of the few Cuban democrats. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've always thought that was a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: cause of a little bit of of why he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: as embraced Manny Diaz Junior as in Miami the way
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  Speaker 1: Mario's embraced Mario. Yeah, Columbus high guy that was sort
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  Speaker 1: of working class cubans An ideas, wasn't so I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't look, you could we could all pick through that.
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  Speaker 1: But boy, talk about adding to what is this week?
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  Speaker 1: What is turning into a fascinating little rivalry here between
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  Speaker 1: many Dias and Mario. Crystopaul. But if you're wondering, my
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  Speaker 1: friend Marco Puto and I were joking about this, the
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  Speaker 1: Cuban power index, Marco Rubio right down here in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio got Maduro. That's that's got him pretty high
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  Speaker 1: up on the in the Cuban community. Here right now,
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendezo win a Heisman, He's probably number one. Ruby
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  Speaker 1: is probably number two. Poor Mario is probably number three.
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  Speaker 1: But if Mario wins a national title, check the records here.
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  Speaker 1: But I believe he's the first non white Anglo to win.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an insignificant development. And I remember in the
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  Speaker 1: eighties wondering what would with the Cuban community and all
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  Speaker 1: of that with there withere there be an embracing of
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  Speaker 1: of Miami Hurricanes, football, of football as a sport and
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Boy, thirty five years later, that
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  Speaker 1: relationship couldn't be any tighter. And it's done nothing but
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  Speaker 1: benefit the benefit the University of Miami. But I will
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  Speaker 1: say this, I'm not going to sit here and say
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  Speaker 1: the mensa thing. It's you know, this is a reminder
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  Speaker 1: that when when Miami starts winning, everybody wants in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we may lose out the Ohio state and recruiting wars
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  Speaker 1: when we're not winning, but now that we're winning, those
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  Speaker 1: kids are going to stay. They're not those receivers that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to Columbus Ohio probably going to say, and
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that break records at Duke. When they suddenly see
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  Speaker 1: that there's an opening for a quarterback here at Miami,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to want to end. So I think this
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  Speaker 1: is the this is what success means with these with
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  Speaker 1: this new system. But I mean, we've got to figure
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  Speaker 1: out a system where a contract means something, because again
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  Speaker 1: we've been on the wrong Miami's been on the wrong
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  Speaker 1: end of this. See Isaiah a. Fee, these other guys,
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  Speaker 1: Kolby Young, a couple of receivers from last team. So
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  Speaker 1: it's none of us should be celebrating the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this can happen. We still need to figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to get and I promise you Congress is going to
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  Speaker 1: get involved. No one's going to cry for Duke. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know they've got plenty of money, private school, all
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  Speaker 1: of that, and again they went and poached from Tulane, right,
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  Speaker 1: they were a predator it just turned out they had
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  Speaker 1: a larger predator coming after them. All right with that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break for forty eight hours. I'm
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  Speaker 1: now getting into all Canes mode. Apparently we're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: wear orange at the game tomorrow, not green, so you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of red and orange. So fix
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  Speaker 1: your TV screens so that you can see the distinction
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  Speaker 1: between the red and the orange. And let's hope it's
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  Speaker 1: at least fifty fifty. My prediction is if Miami wins,
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  Speaker 1: they win the game twenty four to seventeen. I don't
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  Speaker 1: expect a super high scoring, but I think we hold
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  Speaker 1: Indiana under twenty four points. So twenty four twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: Mimmy loses. I expect it to be something like twenty
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  Speaker 1: to seventeen. So there are your scores, there's your hot takes.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for humoring me on this journey this year with
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  Speaker 1: the college football playoff. I did not expect that I
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  Speaker 1: was going to be able to ride this way all
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  Speaker 1: the way to the title game. That's been gravy, but
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  Speaker 1: that holy grail I can touch it. Let's go get
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  Speaker 1: that chip. See you in forty eight hours.