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Monday Mini: Brewery #MeToo · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie Answermatha. I'm not going to step
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  Speaker 1: found ever told your production of iHeart Radio before we
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  Speaker 1: start our Monday many just want to go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: put a content warning trigger warning here. We're not going
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  Speaker 1: to in depth about specific incidents, but we are going
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  Speaker 1: to go back into the hashtag me too stuff, specifically
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  Speaker 1: with the brewery industry. So and of course we've got stories.
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  Speaker 1: I know everyone has stories, but just in case this
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  Speaker 1: is not something you want to hear about, now, go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and put this here. Um may not be the
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  Speaker 1: most wonderful thing to listen to around children, so that too.
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  Speaker 1: But like I said, we're not going to go into
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  Speaker 1: two depth about the incidents. But yeah, just so you
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  Speaker 1: are warned, audience. Okay, Annie, So I do have a
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  Speaker 1: question for you for this Monday Mini. Do you remember
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  Speaker 1: the first time any and ever hit on you or
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  Speaker 1: made a sexist comment to you? That is a very
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  Speaker 1: good question. Um, I think it must go at least
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  Speaker 1: a middle school. Yeah. I can't. I mean I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of a specific because I know I barely say
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, definitely in middle school because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: oh it was fifth grade. I didn't know what a
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  Speaker 1: blowjob was, and then somebody asked me he made like
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  Speaker 1: a hand gesture and with his tongue and his fist,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know what that meant. But I realized
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  Speaker 1: immediately that at least among my classmates, it would be
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  Speaker 1: very uncool to admit I didn't know what that was,
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  Speaker 1: so I just kind of went along with it and
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  Speaker 1: then acted as though like I was too I was
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  Speaker 1: too cool, And I don't think I figured it. It
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  Speaker 1: like stuck with me years later, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I figured it out until I was in middle school
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  Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, yeah, honestly, of course society experienced
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse as a young kid a child in my
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  Speaker 1: adolescent I can't really yeah, I won't go into that depth,
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  Speaker 1: but I do know that I definitely had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of sexist comments about being a mom or you know,
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  Speaker 1: being a caretaker, or I can't do that because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a girl. You can't do this, and this is and
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  Speaker 1: kind of like your worth. And I think we've all
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  Speaker 1: grown up with what was expected of us. And if
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  Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, if you're a part of the religious world,
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  Speaker 1: you've heard that a lot, or you grew up in
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  Speaker 1: a religious family, you heard that a lot as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: what your value is and if you love that, if
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  Speaker 1: that's something that you want to do, that's beautiful. So
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  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with that. But I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to bring this up because today again we are
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  Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about what is happening
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  Speaker 1: in specifically the brewery industry and the beer industry. So
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  Speaker 1: here we go, Yeah, here we go. The last couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks, the American and some European breweries, bars, and
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  Speaker 1: beer related companies have been seeing their own backlash. Um right.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about how different industries have been
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  Speaker 1: affected by the hashtag metuo movement, and although it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: trending with the actual hashtag, the sentiment is very clear
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  Speaker 1: and several big brews and companies have had to reevaluate
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  Speaker 1: their practices in regards to how they were treating women
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  Speaker 1: and the marginalized communities within these industries. And it began
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  Speaker 1: with a simple question from Instagram user at rat Magnet
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  Speaker 1: or real name Brian Allen, a brewer and production manager
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  Speaker 1: of Massachusetts based brewery Notch Brewing. After going through yet
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  Speaker 1: another sexist comment, she asked on her stories what sexist
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  Speaker 1: comments have you experienced, and oh boy, did she open
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  Speaker 1: up a Pandora's box full of sexist and racist and
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  Speaker 1: altogether awful stories and ex answers. Different comments from people
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  Speaker 1: all of the world varied from being told women don't
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  Speaker 1: like beer check out our own episode of men like
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  Speaker 1: beer and Women like wine right to all out being
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  Speaker 1: dismissed and understanding and knowing about beer because there are women,
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  Speaker 1: even if they were the brewers or owners of the
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  Speaker 1: actual brewery. And there are many stories of racists and
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  Speaker 1: prejudiced attitudes in the industry altogether. As in fact, there's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of incidents and a lot of calling out,
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  Speaker 1: including a big brewery like Founders Brewery who went through
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  Speaker 1: a huge discrimination lawsuit not too long ago when a
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  Speaker 1: black brewer came out and testified about all the racist
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  Speaker 1: comments and all of the incidents and discrimination within their brewery.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, they got called out real hard, real quick,
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  Speaker 1: as they should have been. Um, and they don't look great,
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  Speaker 1: especially when they try to do the whole black lives
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  Speaker 1: matter thing. And if you've ever worked as a bartender,
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  Speaker 1: server or anything like this, you probably already know and
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  Speaker 1: even have stories yourself. Because I should do I will say,
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  Speaker 1: my stories have had a little more happy ending, meaning
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  Speaker 1: I had people in my corner who helped resolve in
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  Speaker 1: a better manner. But it's not news to most of us,
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  Speaker 1: if any of us, that the beer industry had us
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  Speaker 1: have a diversity problem. And though it was once something
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  Speaker 1: that women did hello and yes, was associated with witchcraft,
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  Speaker 1: it has become a culture of the good old boys
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  Speaker 1: club and has been that way for a while now
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  Speaker 1: with the many fact that there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: repercussions that have happened when it comes to these types
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  Speaker 1: of industries. Again, a lot of this big conversation is
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  Speaker 1: who believes whom and who's calling out whom, And also
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  Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that it's expected, so
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  Speaker 1: people don't do things so don't help in making change. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's something I want to come back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about an unhappy hour, because I frequently look back and
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  Speaker 1: feel very sad for how I reacted as a young
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  Speaker 1: especially in college, when I was like almost flatter that
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  Speaker 1: I was being harassed. And I remember one of the
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  Speaker 1: first times I went to a bar and some guy
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  Speaker 1: just like grabbed my ass like full on kind of hurt.
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  Speaker 1: And then this other guy I was with like witting
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  Speaker 1: to get into a fight with him, and so I
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  Speaker 1: just felt in that moment like, Okay, I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: just an object here in this whole thing, right, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just right. But I was like, well, maybe it
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  Speaker 1: means I have a nice ass that I thought that,
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  Speaker 1: but no, I'm the same way. I definitely had an
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  Speaker 1: incident at my ury where I got slapped on the
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  Speaker 1: butt by a guy who was helping like he was
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  Speaker 1: a vendor there, so I think he was slinging food essentially,
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  Speaker 1: and he did this at the end of the night.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what just happened? And when I came
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  Speaker 1: and said something to my coworkers in my face was
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  Speaker 1: in shock because I was like, first of all, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a butt. I'm pretty flat back there, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused. So of course I had to make a
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  Speaker 1: joke about it because that's my defensiveness. And then secondly,
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  Speaker 1: everybody was kind of shocked in the sense of like
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  Speaker 1: one other girls like, but he was hitting on me,
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  Speaker 1: so it was that level. Yeah, so it wasn't this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, and of course they get back on it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, why did I even allow that to happen? Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I had another incident where I went to an
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  Speaker 1: event at a brewery that's really drunk. Dude just kept
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  Speaker 1: touching me like I didn't even know him. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: talk to him. He was just standing beside me, to
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  Speaker 1: the point that my friends who was with me, was like,
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  Speaker 1: do you want me to do something? Okay, and actually
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  Speaker 1: like pushed him away, and I tried to stop it
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't want there to be an incident, even
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  Speaker 1: though it absolutely should be an incident. Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 1: so many things they are. Yeah, So back to these comments.
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  Speaker 1: Most of them started out as instances of microaggression, comments
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  Speaker 1: about how women don't drink beer, don't understand beer. The
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  Speaker 1: stories quickly turned to examples of yeah, deeply disturbing nature
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  Speaker 1: of harassment and violence that occurs more often than people
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  Speaker 1: like to admit within the industry. According to one survey,
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  Speaker 1: as of twenty seventeen, at least six million women work
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  Speaker 1: and in the service industry specific to restaurants, and more
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  Speaker 1: than have reported experiencing some type of sexual violence while
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  Speaker 1: on the job, and in fact, two fists of all
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  Speaker 1: federal sexual harassment complaints come from the restaurant service industry alone,
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  Speaker 1: and again, this is four years ago, and these are
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  Speaker 1: the instances that were actually reported. If you have had
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  Speaker 1: the chance or even the will to read these stories,
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  Speaker 1: you know that a chunk of the incidents were not
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  Speaker 1: reported due to being intimidated or feeling pushed out or
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  Speaker 1: being pushed up. Right. Yeah, and as we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: quite a lot, we know they are very rare cases
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  Speaker 1: of fault reporting. Just to put this as a reminder,
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  Speaker 1: with the fact that it's only two to ten percent
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  Speaker 1: of all reported cases that are fault and with that
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  Speaker 1: likely hit that there are at least sixty three of
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  Speaker 1: those incidents that are never reported when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault and harassment. So those are really big numbers
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  Speaker 1: that we have to consider. And we're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: service industry, we're talking about the job. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: this whole level of supervisor versus employee and who has
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  Speaker 1: the right to what and why are there so many
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  Speaker 1: stories pouring out? Well, much like the hashtag me too,
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  Speaker 1: people like b in are finally validating the experiences for
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  Speaker 1: what they are. These horrendous acts on people who deserve
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  Speaker 1: to work in a safe space but are denied and
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  Speaker 1: therefore ultimately shunned and now have finally gotten the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. Yeah, and it has gone absolutely viral.
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  Speaker 1: She went from over two thousand followers to now over
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  Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand followers, and stories and incidents have continued
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  Speaker 1: to pour in, as well as some action. Many organizations
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  Speaker 1: around the country have brought out many women together in
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  Speaker 1: a call of unity and awareness. Ag fund Me was
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  Speaker 1: created as Brianne has been threatened by a few individuals
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  Speaker 1: and not through any lawyers with lawsuits and with supposed
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  Speaker 1: defamation claims for possible legal assistance and if not, she
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  Speaker 1: plans on donating the proceeds right. So, of course there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of angry people out there, and there's this
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  Speaker 1: complication in the fact that people are telling stories without
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  Speaker 1: it being verified. And she does put that saying that
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't know these people they're sending stories, and because
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  Speaker 1: she was so overwhelmed, and because she wanted to allow
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  Speaker 1: for people to answer the questions, so she just reposts
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  Speaker 1: them and it would have names and organizations and actual companies.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say I feel best. So that, of course,
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  Speaker 1: there were several overlapping stories and a lot of yep
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  Speaker 1: I saw that yep I could validate that yep. And
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  Speaker 1: it was I think this whole level of finally being
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  Speaker 1: able to be honest and finally being hurt and believed,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, still problematic because there are people out
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  Speaker 1: there who want to troll, but it's it's allowed for
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  Speaker 1: all of that. But now she's kind of have to
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  Speaker 1: backtrack and realizing it has gained so much attention that
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  Speaker 1: she's having to do a little more due diligence on
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  Speaker 1: how it's being talked about and how to even allow
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  Speaker 1: this to come about. But it's not just women coming together,
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  Speaker 1: but an overall call to hole the perpetrators accountable. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: several companies have started issuing statements with strategic efforts and
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  Speaker 1: plans to reevaluate companies sexual harassment policies as well as
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  Speaker 1: looking at how to better developer overall create an effective
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  Speaker 1: HR department because there's definitely been a lot of companies
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  Speaker 1: saying that they're too small to have an HR department
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  Speaker 1: with and oftentimes these incidents happened they had no one
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  Speaker 1: to report it to except for their supervisor. And if
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  Speaker 1: their supervisor are the ones that are harassing and targeting them,
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  Speaker 1: can they go to write? So several companies have had
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  Speaker 1: leadership stepped down or fired those who have been accused
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  Speaker 1: of these incidents. There has also been a sweeping conversation
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  Speaker 1: throughout larger organizations like those who run beer festivals and
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  Speaker 1: events where many different incidents have been reported, they have
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  Speaker 1: not had any accountability or they haven't even had any
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  Speaker 1: resources to talk about trying to prevent incidents from occurring
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  Speaker 1: in the first place. So it's definitely bringing on some
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  Speaker 1: really big needed conversations. Yes, for sure. There was also
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  Speaker 1: another conversation of how little women's safety was a concern
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  Speaker 1: for many of the organizers in overall leadership, the mere
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  Speaker 1: fact women have to pay extra money because more often
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  Speaker 1: than not, leaders don't believe women and they are not
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  Speaker 1: concerned about what happens to them to be able to
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  Speaker 1: attend events, whether it's to stay by themselves because so
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  Speaker 1: few women attend, are are invited, or feel safe to
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  Speaker 1: be there right as. In fact, there was one article
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  Speaker 1: where they had interviewed the person who would go to
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  Speaker 1: many of these events, whether they were a sales rep,
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  Speaker 1: whether they are part of another organization that was participating.
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  Speaker 1: They were talking about how they didn't like to go
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  Speaker 1: to these events because they have to think about whether
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  Speaker 1: or not they have a hotel room, who, how to
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  Speaker 1: get there, how much to drink, how little to drink,
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  Speaker 1: how the fact that when men come together they can
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  Speaker 1: all share a room and many times they're just like
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  Speaker 1: whole figuring out what get there. But women have to
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  Speaker 1: be very conscientious about where they're going. And one woman
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  Speaker 1: been talking about I don't use airbnbs because that's two isolated.
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  Speaker 1: There's too many instance that could happen. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to be in a place like a hotel that has
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  Speaker 1: at least security and locked doors. Like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we have to think this far through, right, because many
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  Speaker 1: bars and our beer industries, I think that's too costly.
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  Speaker 1: They just don't invite women altogether. So that even lessons
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  Speaker 1: even more women being invited to these areas and causes
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  Speaker 1: more safety issues, right right, I know we talked about that.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what episode it was, but that whole
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  Speaker 1: thing of being at conferences and kind of having other
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  Speaker 1: women look out for you, so that especially when alcohol
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  Speaker 1: is involved, right, and having that layer you've got to
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  Speaker 1: think of. And then also yeah, as both the person
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  Speaker 1: who might be with an unsavory group of dudes, but
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  Speaker 1: also the person trying to look out for the lady
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  Speaker 1: with the unsavory dudes. It's just extra stressors, right that
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  Speaker 1: we have. One article asked a group of male beer
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  Speaker 1: industry workers about the level of concern for their safety,
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  Speaker 1: and not surprisingly, over didn't even think of that as
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  Speaker 1: a thing, and those who did were not concerned about
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  Speaker 1: other people so much as they might drink too much
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  Speaker 1: or lose something. Right. I just saw an article pop
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  Speaker 1: up about how some men have had drugs in their
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  Speaker 1: drinks and or been drugged while out and may picked
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  Speaker 1: up accidentally, but instead of showing concern, other guys just
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  Speaker 1: made fun of them. You know, you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're not mainly enough, or someone was trying to get
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  Speaker 1: you as if it's a female issue only, and then
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  Speaker 1: it deserves mockery. It's just such a whole other level
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  Speaker 1: of what who's wrong with you? But of course, the
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  Speaker 1: amount of people and yes we're talking pretty much mainly
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  Speaker 1: men who continue to carry the ne'er to that women
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  Speaker 1: are being whiners or people are being whiners and that
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  Speaker 1: this is just part of the industry, and uh, making
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  Speaker 1: the same tired excuse about why people shouldn't be held
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  Speaker 1: accountable like, it's just saddening the amount of people that
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  Speaker 1: have come out to do that, and many people trolling
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  Speaker 1: and gladly ignoring the issues that have always been a
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  Speaker 1: problem within our society, all for the sake of this
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  Speaker 1: is my favorite beer. A come on, y'all, just the
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  Speaker 1: industry then that's not an excuse. And of course the
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  Speaker 1: stories are still coming in. Brienne has now started a
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  Speaker 1: new account with a handle at Emboldened Act Advance so
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  Speaker 1: E M B O L d E in act Advance,
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  Speaker 1: which will be posting the continued accounts from people around
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  Speaker 1: the world. They just actually started with Georgia because they
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  Speaker 1: have so many they're splitting it up by states. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Pennsylvania has been hit, California has been hit anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's a new beer from not Brewing. With
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  Speaker 1: Brianne and her co worker, they created Brave Noise pel L,
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  Speaker 1: which should be coming out in June in honor of
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  Speaker 1: what's been going on and for the women and the
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  Speaker 1: people who are speaking out because there's a lot happening. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on and it's affected so many and again
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  Speaker 1: this is not new. We know this. I've told my
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  Speaker 1: own stories about being affected to the point that I
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  Speaker 1: felt crushed. I had a mix of people who handled
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  Speaker 1: it well to people who handle it awful. The bystander
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  Speaker 1: who just blamed me instead of helping me, to my
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  Speaker 1: supervisors coming around and being like no, no, no, not
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  Speaker 1: allowed in my brewery. But I think it's definitely something
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  Speaker 1: to note to see how the industry reacts, and we
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  Speaker 1: need to watch that because that is very telling of
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  Speaker 1: who's going to actually make change and who's just mouthing off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess we're going to keep an eye on
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  Speaker 1: it and see see what happens in the meantime. Listeners,
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