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EP 492: That’s My Wife, Not My Mom! feat Olivia & Kelly · Decisions, Decisions

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  Speaker 1: Decisions, decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Decision.
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  Speaker 3: Decision. Oh my God, do you hear this voice? It's
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  Speaker 3: your girl Mandy V.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my mouth is not really opening, but well, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Decisions, Decisions. I'm your girl
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  Speaker 2: Mandy V, aka that bitch.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Wheezy. Welcome back to another episode. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I love Talking to lesbians, because it reminds me of
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  Speaker 4: who I used to be. I guess I'm a bisexual now. You, girl.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 3: You is a full bisexual.
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  Speaker 6: No, but when I was.
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  Speaker 3: You've always had dick around.
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  Speaker 7: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: So we're not going to do that, acting like you
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  Speaker 3: a lesbian.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, we have on an internet couple that I've been following.
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  Speaker 4: They won't be as problematic as the last age gap couple.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Girl.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, there's a T in there, too. Welcome, Olivia and Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Olivia.
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  Speaker 4: Kelly. Kelly. They do it all the time. I'm Olivia.
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  Speaker 6: That's Kelly. It happens all the time.
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  Speaker 4: So, okay. I want you guys to talk about how
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  Speaker 4: you met. But the main thing I remember seeing in
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  Speaker 4: your content is you drove six hours for someone you
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  Speaker 4: didn't know. Eight hours.
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  Speaker 6: She drove eight hours.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a man thing because they'd kill us, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like.
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  Speaker 6: No, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So she lived in Massachusetts. I was living in Maryland
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  Speaker 6: where we both live now. And we met on Bumble.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, maybe I'm gay.
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  Speaker 3: And what is the age gap?
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  Speaker 2: 19 years.
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  Speaker 4: 19 years.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So you are?
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  Speaker 6: I'm about to be 37.
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  Speaker 4: I just turned 56. So we had a hot take
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  Speaker 4: that we were talking about away from you guys when
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  Speaker 4: we were recording last week. And we were like, The
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  Speaker 4: age gap isn't problematic if you're over 30. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: If you're over 30, I don't want to hear about
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  Speaker 3: an age gap. We get it all the time. I
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  Speaker 3: just don't.
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  Speaker 2: Like by that time, both of you are adults. You
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  Speaker 2: both didn't live. You both accumulated debt. Probably done some bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: And now you're coming together as two adults.
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  Speaker 4: It just isn't that fucking crazy to me. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why. But when I hear teen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: See, that's where the problem. But we get crap all
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  Speaker 6: the time. They'll be like, oh, that's your grandma and
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  Speaker 6: stuff like that. Or that you're, can I say the grooming?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You're grooming her.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, she was 33 when.
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  Speaker 4: I met her.
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  Speaker 2: Not that you thought grooming was a cuss word.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, on social media, I'm not allowed to
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  Speaker 6: say that.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, they block grooming?
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  Speaker 6: They'll like flag you for a bunch of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You have to say G. Because I've wondered.
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  Speaker 6: So I usually say G.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I know people are going to, because of course they
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  Speaker 4: don't know you, so they're going to say mean comments online.
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  Speaker 4: But I wondered how it would differentiate from an older
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  Speaker 4: man dating an older woman.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And is it easier? Like, do you feel like it's
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  Speaker 4: less slack?
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  Speaker 6: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 7: I think they get less slack than we do. I
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  Speaker 7: get mother. I get grandmother. I'm grooming her. The sugar mama. Like,
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  Speaker 7: we make the same amount of money.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the sugar mama. Or, oh, that's horrible that you're manipulating.
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  Speaker 7: Her in some way or something. And I feel it's
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  Speaker 7: like we have, like, serial stalker or hate stalkers on.
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  Speaker 7: And I feel like it's like women.
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  Speaker 6: It's a lot of lesbians, too.
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  Speaker 7: Over, like, seven years old.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, the lesbians are mad?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They're mad.
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  Speaker 6: It's older lesbians who a lot of time will be like, wow,
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  Speaker 6: this is a sad representation. I think because I used
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  Speaker 6: to date guys.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, let's start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to start from the beginning. And we
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  Speaker 2: have some really dope stuff to talk about throughout this episode.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You said y'all met on Bumble, which is for friends.
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a friend app.
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  Speaker 6: Well, back in 2023, it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, by then it was... Okay, when it first came out,
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  Speaker 3: it was to make friends.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, I was fucking people on it in 2017. Well,
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  Speaker 4: you fuck people on all the apps. No, I was
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  Speaker 4: on Bumble BFF meeting women.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, Bumble BFF.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a Bumble where it was to meet people.
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  Speaker 2: I know you did.
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  Speaker 6: Well, see, she used it for whatever. So you got
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  Speaker 6: on Bumble. I got on Bumble.
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  Speaker 4: Did you get on to meet friends?
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  Speaker 6: No, I went on to meet women because I was like,
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  Speaker 6: I had a boyfriend for like six years. We were
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  Speaker 6: living together, sharing an apartment. We just happened to break
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  Speaker 6: up for just random reasons, not having to do with
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  Speaker 6: my sexuality or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: But I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 6: Like, I always had... I started to have this, like, inkling.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'm gay. I think I
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  Speaker 6: like women. And we've made videos where I'm, like, reading signs. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I wrote down, like, oh, signs that I was gay
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  Speaker 6: before I knew.
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  Speaker 4: What were they? I need you to give us the list.
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  Speaker 6: No. Well, it was... Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: She's wearing Birkenstocks.
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  Speaker 6: No. And I think one of the main reasons I
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  Speaker 6: didn't know is because I never saw any representation of
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  Speaker 6: femme lesbians growing up. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean? Like, I was, like...
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  Speaker 6: in ballet class and like doing theater and long hair,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like being girly. And I had like friends
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  Speaker 6: in school, elementary school, whose moms were very masculine. I
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  Speaker 6: knew like, oh, he has two moms, but they were
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  Speaker 6: both very butch women. So I don't think I ever,
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  Speaker 6: until I like watched The.
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  Speaker 4: L Word in like 2012.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, oh my God, you can be
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  Speaker 6: like feminine and pretty.
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  Speaker 4: And stuff and The L word was great representation. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Even the map they did of women that you fucked
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  Speaker 4: and how you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, what was on that list? You never knew younger?
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  Speaker 6: I was, oh, I constantly was obsessed with one woman
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  Speaker 6: or another growing up. So like.
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  Speaker 4: That's that shit my mom said about me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: My mom said that I was obsessive with friends or, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Like, women... Normally, like, an older... Maybe a teacher or, like...
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  Speaker 6: When I was in ninth grade, one of the most
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  Speaker 6: embarrassing ones is there was a girl... I went to
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  Speaker 6: an all-girls school from, like, ninth grade and tenth grade.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, there's... There you go.
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  Speaker 6: And then there was, like, a twelfth-grade girl, and I
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  Speaker 6: remember she was in theater, too, and I would, like,
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  Speaker 6: be nervous all day, like, am I gonna run into her?
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 6: And I would write down in a journal, like, every
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  Speaker 6: time I saw her.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: So, like, that's pretty... There's signs.
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  Speaker 4: But what were the signs as an adult?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh.
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  Speaker 6: That's a really good question. I think that when my
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  Speaker 6: ex and I were, like, drifting apart, I was talking
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  Speaker 6: to a friend of a friend. Because, you know, we're
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  Speaker 6: all in theater. We were saying that's the gayest thing
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  Speaker 6: ever to be in theater. Because people are very open,
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  Speaker 6: talking about their sexuality.
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  Speaker 4: They're in basketball.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Very gay.
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  Speaker 6: She played basketball.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 6: And so we were just chatting. And I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I always thought maybe, like, if he
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  Speaker 6: and I would break up, maybe that would be the
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  Speaker 6: time for me to figure that out. And she was like, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: She was like, I was with guys, but I kind
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  Speaker 6: of consider myself bisexual. And I think just having that
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  Speaker 6: open conversation with someone where it wasn't a big deal,
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  Speaker 6: not that I grew up in an unacceptable, like we
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  Speaker 6: have very accepting families, but then he and I broke
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  Speaker 6: up and I was like, oh my gosh, now I
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  Speaker 6: can kind of see.
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  Speaker 4: Which is interesting because you dated a young bisexual. It
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  Speaker 4: feels like a bisexual girl is always the no for
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  Speaker 4: a lesbian.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think, I don't consider her bisexual. I
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  Speaker 7: know it sounds weird, but like when we first started talking,
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  Speaker 7: like she was literally the first person I saw on Bumble.
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  Speaker 7: Like I saw her and I'm like, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, hello, gorgeous.
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  Speaker 6: She had been single for 12. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And I was saying I had was single for 12 years.
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  Speaker 4: Who aren't you?
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  Speaker 7: Well, because I was married to another woman.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 3: OK. Marriage.
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  Speaker 7: The whole cheating on.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like this. What about sex? Little stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Dating.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. For 12 years?
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 7: She was your first woman?
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  Speaker 4: And she was your first woman in 12 years? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No wonder you're U-Haul lesbian.
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  Speaker 6: I know. That's crazy when you put, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you put it that way.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all were pretty much both versions.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, she knew my, because I was living in the
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  Speaker 6: apartment that my ex-boyfriend and I had a lease together.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like staying in the spare bedroom on
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  Speaker 6: like an air mattress. And so I was, your face
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  Speaker 6: is so funny.
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  Speaker 4: Because this is crazy. It is. This is better than
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  Speaker 4: I thought.
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  Speaker 6: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: How long were you talking before you took an eight-hour drive?
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks.
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  Speaker 6: Like two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Good girl.
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  Speaker 6: And you know what happened was she was just like,
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  Speaker 6: you know what, I'm coming to visit you. And I
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  Speaker 6: had had some like weird experiences.
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  Speaker 4: Some bad experiences.
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  Speaker 6: Prior where it was like women on Bumble who, like
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  Speaker 6: they all had, she had a husband and she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: come to my house. Some woman on Bumble who I
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  Speaker 6: was swiping and I saw her and I connected with her,
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  Speaker 6: but she She had a husband and kids.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe she wanted them to have a threesome.
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  Speaker 3: That's all the mental.
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  Speaker 2: All the mental naps have wives.
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  Speaker 4: See?
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  Speaker 6: And I think I was just super naive, and I
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  Speaker 6: was like, oh, oh, no. But I think she just
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  Speaker 6: wanted someone to hook up with her and her husband.
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  Speaker 4: So you weren't, okay, did you guys already agree, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to stay at your house?
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  Speaker 6: No, I rented a hotel.
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  Speaker 7: No, she drove from Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, that's right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So what was that meeting like?
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  Speaker 6: We didn't even FaceTime, which is the craziest thing. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know why we didn't utilize FaceTime.
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  Speaker 7: Because she's older than you.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 3: You're moving like a serial killer. I'm not going to lie.
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  Speaker 2: No FaceTime.
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  Speaker 4: Eight hour drive.
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  Speaker 7: She didn't even really like, she honestly, I take, I'm not,
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  Speaker 7: I don't take selfies. I don't like, I'm a terrible
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  Speaker 7: picture taker. And she's like, I don't really know what
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  Speaker 7: she likes.
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  Speaker 6: I saw like a generic selfie, but like. She just
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  Speaker 6: was like, you know, I mean, it's like.
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  Speaker 4: Me hope for friends that are in their late 40s
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  Speaker 4: and early 50s because you don't like one of my
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  Speaker 4: friends just told me who's 48. I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: to take pictures. I'm really not going to meet someone.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how to do this. All the women
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  Speaker 4: on there have the game like who's going to want me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I just don't know if that's true. I
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  Speaker 4: get that in theory. You think someone that's doing the
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  Speaker 4: professional photos and da da da da da. But I
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  Speaker 4: still don't believe that there isn't a chance for anybody.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if I found her, like, I always am like,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not that person, but literally the stars aligned. She
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  Speaker 7: broke up with her boyfriend. I decided I'm going to
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  Speaker 7: go on some apps and. Even when I did, I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: I'm never going to go out with this person. And
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  Speaker 7: I went out on like two dates and I'm like, eh.
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  Speaker 7: And then I just saw, we just started talking and
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  Speaker 7: like everything flowed. Like the first day we started texting
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  Speaker 7: on Bumble. Then we're like, let's exchange numbers. We texted
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  Speaker 7: all day. And again, the next day it was, it
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  Speaker 7: was all day, every day.
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  Speaker 4: Now with you though, did you have anyone in your
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  Speaker 4: life prior to dating Kelly that was older?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: So I was in a relationship when I was like 19.
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  Speaker 6: I just moved to go to NYU and I got
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  Speaker 6: in a relationship with an older man.
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  Speaker 3: How much older?
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  Speaker 6: He was 12 years older than me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: That was like a bad, he was an actor.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So 31.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I'd had that experience, but I don't know when
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking, oh my gosh, I probably am gay.
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  Speaker 6: Let me go on these apps to meet women. I
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  Speaker 6: was thinking about all the women I'm obsessed over.
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  Speaker 4: Kate Walsh.
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  Speaker 2: You know her?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 6: From Grey's Anatomy. Oh. The redhead from Grey's Anatomy.
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  Speaker 4: Of course I know who that is.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: I like her.
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  Speaker 6: I like Jennifer Beals. Like Bette from The L Word.
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  Speaker 6: I like older types. Bette was the one.
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  Speaker 2: Types.
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  Speaker 6: So I was like, okay, I think I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: put my age higher.
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  Speaker 3: Like Nicole Kidman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: She's attractive. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I like her.
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  Speaker 4: Once she said she wears wigs and goes out and
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  Speaker 4: he views it at clubs, I was like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this is it for her. I love her.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So now questions I'm really curious about about the first meeting.
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  Speaker 4: How uncomfortable is it when you guys are going out
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  Speaker 4: if people aren't realizing you're a couple? Are they... Always
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  Speaker 4: insinuating like, hey, is this your daughter? Hey, is this your,
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  Speaker 4: what is it? It's not always. No, it's not always.
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  Speaker 7: It's always on like TikTok or Facebook or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: The internet is not a real place.
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  Speaker 7: No, I know.
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  Speaker 4: They just want to be mean. They just want to
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  Speaker 4: be mean.
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying to tell Weezy, they're like, girl, they're
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  Speaker 2: just going to talk next.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to be angry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not all the time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we live in a very accepting area.
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  Speaker 7: We traveled back to Mass to see my family. I,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I had gone into a couple of stores
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  Speaker 7: that I always went into alone. And the guy at
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  Speaker 7: the package store was like, oh, is that your daughter?
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, no, this is my fiance. I'm like, and
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  Speaker 7: he was like, and then immediately we went into another
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  Speaker 7: store and same thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what the?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Who does it bother more out of the two of you?
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  Speaker 2: Me, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It's a grandmother thing.
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  Speaker 4: Come on.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: You're not getting any of the- I know.
• 11:42
  Speaker 6: But what about your friends?
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like if we were friends, meeting you
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be a big deal. But if we were friends,
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: I'm like, hold on, you broke up with your- Boyfriend
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: of six years and now you're dating a woman. What
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: just happened to you?
• 11:55
  Speaker 6: Well, I know.
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: I feel like friends are like.
• 11:56
  Speaker 7: Your friend that married us.
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. That's exactly.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: She met.
• 12:00
  Speaker 7: Like, we met that first weekend. And on Sunday, we
• 12:04
  Speaker 7: went out for brunch. And then her friend came to
• 12:07
  Speaker 7: meet me. And it was like instant friendship.
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: Like, I loved her.
• 12:11
  Speaker 6: I think it's like theater people, too. Like, she's a
• 12:13
  Speaker 6: theater person. Like, I don't know, being very accepting and
• 12:16
  Speaker 6: just open-minded.
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: Who's been unaccepting in your family or friends?
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: No one.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Wow. Literally no one.
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: And people ask us all the time, and we feel
• 12:26
  Speaker 6: bad sometimes when people ask for advice, like, oh, my
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: family is going to disown me, because we can't speak
• 12:30
  Speaker 6: on that personally, but we recognize how privileged we are
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: for that, because both of our families could not be
• 12:35
  Speaker 6: happier for us. Like, I don't know. We just haven't
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: had anybody that we know of. Maybe there's someone out
• 12:40
  Speaker 6: there who hasn't told us that they feel that way
• 12:41
  Speaker 6: in our families, but I don't think so.
• 12:43
  Speaker 7: Like, all my friends back in Mass, they love her.
• 12:45
  Speaker 7: They absolutely adore her.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: My parents adore her. In both of your families, there's
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: other queer... identifying people in your family?
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 12:52
  Speaker 6: Don't they say it, like, runs through somebody?
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 12:55
  Speaker 6: It must be somebody.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, they're keeping it on a secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: They just ain't.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: Open with it yet.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's get into some questions with you two.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: I saw your little game. I don't think she's going
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: to know all of it.
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: Now I want to know. I feel like you are.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Because she knew. She knew.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: So I just want to see if you know some
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: of the terms. Oh, God, okay. Okay, we already know
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: U-Haul lesbian. We did it. Lipstick lesbian.
• 13:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, lipstick lesbian is, am I supposed to explain it?
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: So it's what I, you introduced me to a, do
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: you know the I've Had It podcast with Jennifer and Pumps?
• 13:31
  Speaker 6: They were talking about ninja lesbians. So I kind of,
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: it's a ninja lesbian, someone who can like pass amongst
• 13:37
  Speaker 6: straight people.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Whoa, I didn't even know that.
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: So I consider myself like a ninja lesbian.
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: You are.
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: When I tell people, I love to see like the
• 13:45
  Speaker 6: look in their eyes because they're.
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't feel like I would be shocked you
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: were gay if you told me you had a husband
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: or a wife.
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: I'd be like, yeah.
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: But you got Birkenstocks on. That is true.
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: So lipstick lesbian, isn't that like very feminine?
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: Super, super femme.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: Stud.
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: Do you guys know specific but bonus point for what
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: a stud is?
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 14:04
  Speaker 7: Masculine presenting. Yeah.
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: Black.
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: Black. There you go.
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: I knew they were going to do that.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: The only reason why, too, I knew you were going
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: to know that is because earlier you said butch to
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: identify how you even saw women. And we, like, never
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: say butch. Interesting. But it's the same thing as a stud.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: But white.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: So butch would be the white version.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Butch is white and black is stud.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: I wonder what the, like, origin is on why black
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: women had to create stud for each other. Like, I
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: wonder if maybe that was a thing when they were
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: searching online.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: That's a really good question.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, tripping.
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, I've heard of that.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Do you know what that... Tripping.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: Tripping?
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Tripping.
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: Tripping. I've heard of it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. I don't want to
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: look stupid.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Do you know what it is?
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: You're like over-married and gay.
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: Is that like scissoring?
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: Tripping is scissoring and scissoring is like... Just the word
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: that they use, I guess, in porn. But tripping is
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: the correct term. Like you would say fellatio.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know the position. She loves doing it. It's
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: like real. It's just like you rub in your vagina.
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: So that's the real, that's the term.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Are you guys scissor girls or are you guys finger girls?
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: So I'll be honest with you. You guys are going
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: to be the first people that we've ever talked about anything.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: We've never discussed.
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: We made it a point.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she's a teacher.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: I don't care anymore. Yeah, I don't really care anymore
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: because now, you know, our social media has grown so much.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Well, we're not going to ask if it's down to
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: your wrist.
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: But I think it's funny that people assume that certain
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: things are needed for women to have sex with each other.
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: Especially men.
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: Huh?
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Especially men.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: We get a lot of comments like, who wears the strap?
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: Who does this?
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Who does that? I barely use the strap on.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: And I've never used one.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: So it's like.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: In five years? Not necessary.
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: What did you just say?
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Six years together?
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: No, over three. Over three.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, three years together. You've never used a strap on?
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: No.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But it's because the way that especially hetero men identify
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: or think of sex, and a lot of women, how
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: we've been taught sex, is penis and vagina.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: This is how it works.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Even so much so to where in middle school and
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: high school, girls would have anal sex before vaginal sex
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: because they would consider that sex. So when people think of, well,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: are y'all really fucking if nothing's going?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, it's not real.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Have you guys watched a queer ultimatum yet?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, so there's, I don't know if you watched it. Wait,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: is it a new season? I was watching an old one.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: Okay, okay, that's the one we saw.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: But something I love that they talked about. So one
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: of the girls fingered someone else and there's a scene,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: because you know they swap couples, and she's like, wait, wait, wait,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: you guys had sex? She goes, with mouths?
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: And people were on Twitter and Reddit kind of just like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: this is so stupid, blah, blah, blah. In the reunion,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: the girl was like, look, we're all queer. Wait, it
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: was mouths or fingers?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: What was the violence?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: She said, I'm not telling you. I'm not talking about it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: And so that's where the discussion came from. Like, well,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: what's worse?
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: And in the reunion, they said, hey, we're queer. Sex
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: looks different. It does because- That is so true.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: If a- If a woman goes and is like, babe,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I only suck dick, the boyfriend is going to be
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: so upset.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, let me ask that. Is that like,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: are y'all open? Are y'all closed?
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: We're not open.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, so there wouldn't be a question about that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Lesbians kill each other when you hug too hard.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to lie.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? People define it differently.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: They do.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I would like to know for the two of you,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: your favorite way to have sex with each other and
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: what you really define as sex together. I don't know.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: You want to take that one?
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: You want to say it? You're a seasoned lesbian.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Not really. I don't know.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, you were married.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: You were.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: I feel like, so it's very interesting for me coming
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: from being like, what do they call it? Heterosexuality.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: And be like, oh, this is what you do. And like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: it's a man doing this. And then you, you know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: have to like it or you don't like, I don't know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: I feel like I have relaxed a lot more sexually.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Being with. Kelly, because I always felt like I had
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: to perform in some way or act a certain way.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: With men.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: That you now feel safe and you don't have to do.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: Because, like, I feel like, well, men learn everything from porn, right?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: So they're expecting you to do this.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: And some women do, too.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: And some women do, too.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: They say that even lesbian porn is a male game.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: You know how they're, like, throwing their head back and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: arching their back to eat pussy? Wait, but you're a
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: new les.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So... How did— I' m curious, then, like, how nervous you were.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And if men learn it from porn, what was your— did
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you read a book?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Like, what was your go-to to learn how to be
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: intimate and sensual with a woman?
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think it just came naturally to me.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Naturally.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That's why y'all married off of Bumble.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it just did. And I, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: having sex with men, I was never— Like I've never
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: faked anything with men because it didn't occur to me
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: to do it. And I didn't know that's a thing
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: that straight women did. But I never did it. So
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: I was like, and then that makes sense if some
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: men were like, oh.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: You know, my nerves, I would think, would be touching.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: For some reason, it's like going down. A woman is
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: like making out like you'll figure it out. But touching
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: would freak me out because you're like, am I hurting you?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: What do I do? I don't know how you did it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: It's a blur.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: I honestly don't remember. I don't remember. I think like.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Did she get better as time went on?
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry from day one.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Oh! Okay, wait. How soon did you have sex? Just
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: say it. That night, the first night.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: We met i was so um and first of all
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: i hung up like men yeah and i was also
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: just in such a point in my life where i
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: didn't know where my life was going i was like
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: might as well try this might as well do that
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: might as well explore this so i but it is
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: a blur i don't really.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Because we're so nervous like yeah like like She called
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: me from the lobby. She's like, I can't get in
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: the hotel. The doors won't open. I'm like, what?
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: So I go down.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: I literally pried the doors open and I see her
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: and she's stunning. And I'm like, I was just like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: I was flabbergasted. Like we walked to the elevator and
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: rode up and we were just.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: You went up to the hotel room when you first meet? Well, yes.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: I told you I was taking risks. I was like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know what I could. You could have been anybody.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you only because. I just can't imagine
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you doing that otherwise. Would you have let a man
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that you only saw a selfie that you did in FaceTime,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: that drove eight hours, go up to his hotel?
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: No, but we had been talking so much.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Girl, have you watched Catfish?
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: Of course. I know, I know. That's true. I still
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: have watched that show.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: But I'm not going to lie, though. I have definitely
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: been watching. way more loose with letting women into my
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: home falling asleep around women like I have I even
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: noticed my movement if I have a Uber driver that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: a woman suddenly I'm like relax yeah I'm like.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Not me coming from the airport I'm like fuck they
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: ain't gonna get my.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Luggage I'm like I'm going to put my own luggage
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: in the truck.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: There you go okay so I don't know I want
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to ask you guys, we have a segment called We
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Listen and We Judge.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Where basically we spill some gossip that a friend consented
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: to letting us spill. But for you guys, we listen
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and we judge. What is a story of a recent
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: argument you guys got in who won? Give us your
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: little relationship tea.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Y'all talking with these eyes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: Well, because this is going to sound really boring. Like,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: we don't really have an argument.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: What have we? We don't. You don't fight about who cleans?
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: No, and I'm not being like.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: We're not being this couple.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: We don't.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: We've also both been in relationships with highly volatile people.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: So I think it's us coming together and just being
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: kind of like a more steady, calm.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: What about the hardest... You've been together a few years.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: The biggest thing that you guys have faced together as
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: a bigger conversation or something tough in your relationship? Have
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you had a pivotal moment?
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, real quick, do y'all live together?
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: We do. Oh, yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: How was the conversation on who would move where? Because
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I know she's getting married and where they buy a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: home and where they live.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a big conversation.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I keep hearing it on the pod. So I'm like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you said y'all were eight hours away. Who moved to where?
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: Well, I worked remotely since COVID.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I worked remote.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: So I was able to be like, it's going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: be like I'd have to travel like every six weeks
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: to go back home to Massachusetts to go into the
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: office for a couple hours, you know, during the week.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: But then it didn't like, it didn't happen. Like I
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: moved knowing that I'm like, I'm going to have to
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: drive back and forth. And then it just like, no,
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: we're just, you're remote.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're done.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: So I was like, yeah. And I'm like, I was
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: ready for a change, obviously, after 12 years. But just, like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: coming to Maryland and seeing the town that we live in, like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: she showed me downtown. It was this quaint— it' s so pretty.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: It's so lovely. So she was, like— I felt like
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: I was in Provincetown.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: So you're ready to go. She was ready to go.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like— P-Town!
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: P-Town, yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: That's where we talked about the dick dock where he
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: sucks dick at the dock.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: See?
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that place.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: But, yeah, no, I think that if we ever do have, like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: tense moments— It's because I am that person who is always,
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: I need to stop doing this, which is I'm like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: are you mad?
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Are you okay?
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Like, are you mad at me?
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Are you all right? Is that anxious attachment?
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it must be. Because she's more, I mean, you
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: can probably tell we have different energy levels, but she's
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: kind of more steady or she would be more quiet.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: And I'm just like, oh, you're mad. And she's like, no,
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I'm not.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: But I can't get mad at her because I know
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: that's like anxiety. And I know I know it's nothing. Like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: even when we were here yesterday, we got in, got
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: to the hotel, and then they're like, oh, we don't
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: have valet parking. So all of a sudden I'm like, oh, crap.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: But then I'm just like, okay, we'll figure it out.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: We found it. We came back.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: But I'm too quick to assume that people are mad
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: at me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm curious because a lot of people, and we
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: see conversations about keeping your partner private, not showing them,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: not sharing your relationship online.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Y'all clearly do. How do you not.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Allow the comments to impact your relationship? How do you
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: not read it and let it soak in and impact
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: how you feel?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Like, I went viral a while ago and it gets hard.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: So can we talk about how y'all worked through the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: internet attacking y'all's love?
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, that's probably the biggest thing that we've had.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: Like when we She started this like two and a
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: half years ago. Like you were really the.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: On TikTok, just like for fun.
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because she was off. She was a teacher and
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: she was off for the first time for the summer.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: She's like, I'm just going to ramp this up. And
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: like I literally, I would just like walk through and
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't say anything. Like I wasn't, I had never
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: talked or anything. And then it just kept going and going.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: And now you're making out in videos. There you go.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Making out. Everyone's always like, this is disgusting.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's a kiss.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Do you know what a kiss is?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Do you know what intimacy is? What made you think
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that it would become interesting for people? What made you
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: want to showcase it?
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: I think just naturally... Being a more like creative, like
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: performer type of person, naturally, I have like an eye
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: for like, oh, this will make a good story or
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: this is a good character. I don't know, being an actor,
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: I would always think that way. And I was watching
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: TikTok and I saw, now I feel like there's a
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: lot more, maybe more people are coming forward with their stories,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: but there were a couple like age, like, oh, their
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: niche was they're an age gap lesbian couple. And I
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: was like, oh, that's really cool. And then I just
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: started posting about us and I was like, you know what?
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Our story is actually really crazy. And you know what
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I mean? Like, hey, I met this person. She moved
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: eight hours. Like, I was like, oh, that's a really
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: interesting story. And it wasn't like I was thinking, oh,
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: I'm going to turn this into like a big social
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: media thing. I was just like, oh, this is something
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: cool to share.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: What was the biggest video that like kind of catapulted,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I think, the way that people saw you or even
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: had the thousands? I've seen some of your videos have
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: thousands of comments. What video did it?
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: On TikTok, it... It was probably some clip of her
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: and I'd be like, oh, POV, you married someone 19
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: years old. Something like that or like my wife, like
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: using that type of language and people are.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Like, what, wife?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: And what are some of the things that you're seeing?
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Like the comments and things? TikTok has actually been... Much
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: more accepting.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Everybody says that. Facebook is horrible.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: Well, Facebook, as you can expect.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Facebook and YouTube are bad.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: YouTube, we don't, I want to start YouTube, but we'll
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: be prepared for that. But this is good practice. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: this is great practice. Facebook, I honestly, I was like,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I didn't realize that people were so hateful.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Until we got Facebook. Now, what is something that you
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: guys have had a long conversation about, a comment you
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: saw that maybe.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: I think, well, at first it was really starting. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: was surprised it was getting to me when people would
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: say like, oh, there's a narrative that like I'm like
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: forcing Kelly. Oh, yeah. Into doing social media. She has
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: no autonomy.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I have no say. Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I'm very annoying that. they mute it when my voice
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: is on and stuff like.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: That they were calling you the christy and you the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: desmond i don't know if y'all know that too that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: couple it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Was an influencer couple they were like she was doing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: This that's how they they're like oh that's what kelly
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: is being forced or that yeah so okay so you're
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: being forced to do this and.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You're grooming her right yeah okay so that makes it
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: clearly how this isn't grooming And I guess it's a word, too, though,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that has been introduced to the culture within the last six,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: seven years.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And they do attach it to anybody who's drastically younger.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But again, I think y'all got together when you were
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: over 30.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Adults.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: Like, if you're in your 30s, like, people will write,
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: they're like, oh, I'm 21 and with somebody. I'm like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: I don't feel that you're... Like, if you're 21 and
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: you're with, like, a 55-year-old. Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think the older one is taking advantage.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Because, like, Stephen A. Smith is 61 years old. He
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: just got remarried. 19-year age difference. I believe she's 42.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And the internet is like, you better get a prenup.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: She's just coming for your money.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: She is a 42-year-old. That's what I'm saying. Married twice before.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And now with... And I'm sorry.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It's not Stephen A.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Smith. It's Kenny Smith.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Because there's a 19-aged... But at.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: That point, you're going to the same clubs and bars.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Well, it always bothers her, which I understand when they say, oh,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: it's like you're kissing your grandma or she's your grandmother, which,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: first of all, doesn't mathematically make sense anyway. But they
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: try to cover me for being a late-in-life lesbian.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I could be your mom if I
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: had her at.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: 19, but I didn't. Have people tried to scare you
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: because she's a late-in-life lesbian that she will leave you?
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: I was saying that bothers me when people say, oh,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: she's just waiting for— Oh, just get her some good D.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: And then she'll be leaving her as soon as possible.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: If we have one woman, she's.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Like, oh, this makes me love my masculine husband so
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: much more.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Seeing this makes me so grossed out that I'm so
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: glad I have a husband.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you just need a man. You need a real
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: man in your life, too.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Well, they're going to do that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: No matter what.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just homophobic.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: That's homophobic, I also think, because there is videos I've
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: posted on TikTok that were well-received because we get a
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: lot of like, oh, I can relate to this, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: But then putting that on Facebook, I really learned a
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: lot that the audience was not the same. And I
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: didn't know that at first. I was just like, let
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: me post our TikTok videos on Facebook. And me talking about,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: you know, coming to terms with my sexuality or realizing,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: you know, this or that, or how do I make
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: sense of the relationships that I had with men in
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: the past? Like, how does that work? jive with everything
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: going on? And just people being so nasty about it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Like, just like, oh, you're bi.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: You're just bi.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you, you're bisexual.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Now, can you say today, though, are you bisexual?
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. No, because I'm not... Like, knowing...
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: thinking back in my life, the way that I felt
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: about women, like talk about those, you know, signs that
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: I was gay videos I've done. The feeling that I
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: have about women is so different than anything I felt
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: for men. I think for men, I wanted there, I
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: wanted to feel like I was attractive to them. And
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of late in life lesbians in
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: particular talk about this, where it's like, yeah, I went
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: through a phase of my twenties where I was like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: trying to get, I was trying to date all these
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: different guys and not because I liked them, but looking back,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I was like, okay, they like me.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Like, I'm attractive to them.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: But deep down, I don't think. Did you have that
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: phase too?
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: She was gay from day one.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Gay day one. But interestingly enough, like, You kind of
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: were born into an era where being lesbian is more acceptable.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: What about you?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Did you find.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: It wasn't really acceptable. Like, I didn't know anyone that
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: was gay. Like, I'm from a very small town, but.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Where? In Grafton, Massachusetts.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, wow. Yeah, it's small. But, you know, like, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: didn't know anyone that was gay. But I, like, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: had a crush on my second grade teacher.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: Like, I knew.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, so now... She played softball. Now, you
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: went to school in the 80s.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: 80s and the 90s, right?
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: So I graduated in 88.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, you graduated in 88. At what point, like, were
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: you starting to date women or were you able to?
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Not until, I mean, I dated guys. Like, I went
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: out on dates.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Are you a gold star? I am.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: She is. Yeah, she is.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: You know, but yeah, I went on dates with guys
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: and I'm just like, I know I'm gay. What am
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: I doing? And then finally I was like, I think 24, 25.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, all right, I'm gay. And then like
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: didn't really meet anyone.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Because you're still in Grafton?
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, there were clubs in like the next town over,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: which I did go to, you know. And then when
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: I was 30, I met my ex-wife.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: When did you lose your virginity? Like when did you
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: finally have sex with a woman?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say. Why? Why?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: When I was 30.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I had.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But it was a different time.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I think what I love, too, is like hearing that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: you knew your sexuality even without the influence around you.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Even right now, what we're hearing is that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Good point.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Everyone is influenced to be gay.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Look at the cartoons. They want to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: brainwash our children to be gay. So to know that
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: there are so many older lesbians that knew this the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: whole time and they just had to kind of.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Like, imagine if you were born in New York. I know.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: You would have had sex way earlier. Way earlier. But that's, like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the interesting thing, too, about being able— the age of dating
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and the internet of dating. Like, I— there' s a story, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: maybe I haven't told it in a while, so I
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: hope it's fresh for people. But my first serious boyfriend,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I met his brother when he came from Venezuela, who
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: immediately I knew was gay. And his brother was talking
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: about the one I was dating— oh, we got to,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: you know, introduce him to a girl. My boyfriend at
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: the time goes to the bathroom and I said, look,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: there's an app called Grindr. No one's going to know
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: you're on there. And I was like kind of teaching
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: him how you can click this option. And we downloaded
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Tinder on his phone. I was like, you can click
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: something else on Tinder and your brother won't know because
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: he probably won't know those men. And so he's like, well,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not gay. And I was like, okay, babe. Month later,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: my boyfriend is like, I think you're like sick in
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: the head because you're like forcing my brother to go
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: look at guys because he's single. And it's because I
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: told you he was a virgin. And I'm like, no,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: your brother's gay. But okay, babe. Ended up meeting his partner,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: now husband. They have children together. This is more than
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: 10 years ago. And I remember him like thanking me
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: over and over. He's like, oh my God, I met
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the love of my life, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: But my boyfriend and his mother... Didn't say it to
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: my face, really, but, like, I know they blamed me.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: And the freedom he felt. He's living in Venezuela. Like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: where is he going to meet men? You know what
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I mean? And at the time, their economy was crazy. Like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: it's just a weird time of his life. But literally
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: talking about, if you never told me that, if someone
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: never acknowledged it, of course I knew I could go
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: on that. But even me reassuring, like, he'll never know.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: It's only the internet. Just where we live and our
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: proximity to people like us is so important. Imagine how
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: many trans people, queer people, gay people are living in
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the Midwest but can't be out. Knowing you didn't lose
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: it till 30 but knew about your second grade teacher.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It sucks.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. Yeah, we can't judge. But if you were
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: in another city, I'd be like, damn. Yeah, right, right.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm the sexual person I am without
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: being in New York.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: You could be a ho in Miami and Atlanta, where
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: else I live.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: But being in New York, just the freedom.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: To do everything here.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: That people think like, oh, now you're being, because me
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: being a teacher too, I get a lot of comments
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: about like, oh, that's disgusting that you're teaching children and
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: you must be influencing them.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: To be gay.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, did you see the video of the mom being
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so upset with the principal wearing?
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Everyone's welcome.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Everyone's welcome.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, when they were driving? You think that's okay? Have
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: a good day.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: She's like, bye.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Have a good one.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, are there things that you send though to
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the parents?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: What great, like, are there conversations about sexuality?
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: I take kindergarten.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: But also I teach at a small Quaker school, like
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: a small independent private school where they do value, like everyone,
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: all the teachers know I'm gay. I know about our
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: social media. So I'm very lucky to work where I
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: do because I think if I was working elsewhere, I've
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: heard of teachers, even nowadays, who can't put up a
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: picture of them and their wife, but the teacher down
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: the hallway can put up her and her husband. Girl,
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: there's Rachel. But I'm very lucky. I've only had one
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: instance where when I first started working at the school
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: where the little boy... was quoting the Bible at me
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: in kindergarten. He was like, my mom said that you
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: can't be with, he was five. Like he was clearly
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: fixated on it because it was something new for him.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: He was like, oh, where's your husband? I said, no,
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: I have a wife. And then I would just go
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: about doing my teaching or whatever.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: And then he would keep talking about it. And I
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: can't fault him because it's only what he's been taught.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: So I called his mom up and I said, hey,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: you know, he seems to be struggling with this. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: She was like, oh, you know, we do respect you
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: as a teacher, but we do agree with what the
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: Bible says about marriage.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: So how soon did you kick him out?
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: Well, they end up leaving the school because I think
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: they realized that this was not the right place for them.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Like our school is like, we have rainbows and stuff.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: It's because of that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: So that was my only experience in the school setting.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: But on social media, and this is probably what gets
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: me more than the mom and daughter, I'm annoying and
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: I'm hyper and too much, whatever, is when people say like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: I would hate to have you as my kid's teacher.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: based on and i'm like what does that have to
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: do with.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: You have a curriculum i'm trying to teach them.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: How to read and do math like i'm not teaching
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: them be gay.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Remember my friend that we were like kind of getting
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: in an argument i think we made it a clip
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: but i had a girlfriend of mine there was a
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: teacher that posted and said Is a boy hugging a
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: boy gay? And the kids would be like, no. Okay.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Is a boy wearing pink gay? No. And then a
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: boy kissing or loving, they would say yes to just
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: identify it, right?
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: And basically saying, and this is for kids to understand
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: that not everything is gay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Huh.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: What age were the kids?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: I want to say they were eight or nine.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: To understand what- I think that's a little late, too.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think I would do that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I think it was mainly
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: because they had a kid that was gay in class
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: and they wanted everyone to understand boundaries and what things meant, etc.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But it was.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Strange because to me, though, that's the other difficulty that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I have with maybe the conversations, right?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: If you're eight and nine, you're not gay if you're
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: not fucking.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: To me. Like, to me, the gayness... Like, whether a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: little boy wants to wear a dress or.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: She was gay and she wasn't fucking 230.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: But she knew her sexuality, but she didn't get to
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: do it. Like, you can be, but I wouldn't put
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the sexuality on a child.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Like, I would never.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Call an eight or nine-year-old boy gay. You mean because
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: they're not doing the act?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: They're not doing the act. What? So, like, if you're
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: saying that not hugging.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Isn't gay, not doing this isn't gay.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Hugging isn't gay. Right.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: So, if an eight or nine-year-old boy is hugging only.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I had crushes at eight and nine. So I think
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: that's how my mom knew.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: You can have crushes, but if you're not acting on it, like,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: like I was watching videos and doing, I wasn't a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: whore at eight or nine because.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I like multiple people.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't fucking multiple people.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: But fifth graders are in there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a K through 12.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: So, Okay, K-12, kids are having boyfriends?
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: If this boy is not dating, if there is no, like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: open identifier of his sexuality, like I just said, an 8-
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: or 9-year-old can't be a whore because they like multiple
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: boys or multiple girls.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: But, right, I think the conversation of gay— well, I guess
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: this is really— these questions are for you as a teacher.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: When do you think it's appropriate for children to learn about— gay, straight,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: because you're able to say that you have a wife,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: which I think is totally appropriate. Yes.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: People act like saying... okay, I think the problem is
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: that when people see gay people or especially women as
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: gay people or queer people, they just think about sex.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: They just think it's inherently sexual. But I don't look
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: at a straight teacher and be like, oh, disgusting. Keep
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: your straight lifestyle like out of the classroom. I think it's,
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: they see, You know what I mean? There's something inherently
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: sexual about gay.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's just the classroom. That is such
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: a bar, Olivia. Thank you, but I think about that
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: a lot. That is the best way I've ever heard
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: it fucking put. They literally look at gay and think sex.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: We talk about that all the time. How is love inappropriate?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: And that conversation my friend and I had struggled with,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I just don't understand. You're allowed to have
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: your husband.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And my kid can't know that his Uncle Vinny and
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: his Uncle James are together. Why is that so bad?
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: And basically her sentiment is because it's confusing. Okay.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: They say that a lot. Yes. It's very confusing for
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: the children.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: But are these dynamics not existing in our world and
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: where's the confusion? So I can't have black and Asian
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: friends either? Because is that fucking confusing?
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, I really like that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Because we talk about that a lot. I'm like, why?
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Because we'll make a video of us literally walking down
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: the street, walking into the grocery store. We will get
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: comments saying, disgusting, keep it behind closed doors.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: And I'm like.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: What?
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: We're walking down the street.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Well, we're just drinking coffee. Because they just see us.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: Like, they can't see us as two loving humans.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: They see us as.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Like, oh, how do they do it? Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Like, what are you doing in the bedroom? Like, why
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: does that matter? That's not your.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: How is that, like, an open thing? Like, if y'all
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: are just grabbing coffee, me and my homegirls go out
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: all the time, and I don't think people think we're fucking.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Is it affection?
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: Like, are y'all... No, but it's like, even if we're
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: doing a 10-second clip of.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Like, our clips on Facebook is a very different content style.
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: Intentionally, because I was like, oh, this is what on Facebook.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: But it'll be like us staying in the kitchen, chatting,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: drinking coffee, and like, and then people are like, ooh.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Keep it behind.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Get a room.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, get a room.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: We're in a room.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Now to that, but then I'm curious. For you, you're 55? Six.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: 56.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: You, do you have nieces, nephews, children in your life?
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: I'm an only child.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering like your friends, kids, maybe. You're someone's auntie, right?
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, growing up.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: We have a niece now, but she's very young.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: We have a niece, but I did have like when
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: I was married to this other woman, my friend had
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: two young daughters and they knew.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: How did that conversation go? And have you ever been
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: put in a place where your friends had to say, oh,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I need to figure out how to say.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: No, they just like, it was just accepted. Like I
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: knew them from birth.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Like, okay.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: I knew them the whole time. And like, there was
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: never a conversation. The only negative conversation that I ever
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: remember having was my ex was not a kind person
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: and you know, she would kind of like, like if they,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: the kids touched her hair or did something, she'd be like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: get angry with them. And I can remember after we
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: broke up and they're like, yeah, she would always, she
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: was always angry.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: She was, you know, or she was negative. So maybe
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: it was an association of two moms. Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: So, but yeah, but like I never had to have
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: a conversation with anyone.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Like my, that's great.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: But my cousins have kids, you know, I've known them
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: since birth.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: So you didn't say an age, you don't, There's not a,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: like you just saying I have a wife.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I don't, yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I've met her kids.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she's come in and like.
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: Read to them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Read books in the class. You know what I mean?
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: Which I'm so lucky I have that type of school
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: where I work.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I would say maybe when sex ed is.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Like I would never.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So to me, not eight or nine. That's way too early.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Experience as a teacher.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: If you had to, because we really haven't had many,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we ever had a gay teacher on.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: But curious because I think this conversation is something that
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: people obsess about.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh yeah, you went viral.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: What age?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: They've been blowing her up for one of our clips.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: angry me yeah i know you don't be liking to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: see you ain't collaborate they've been coming at.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Her ass oh about gay and kids about the.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Same conversation which is why i'm like.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: What is it probably that i don't give a shit
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: oh my god like hold on i'm gonna play the clip.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Please do oh god when i say hold on when
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: i say when i.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Say and i so i'll be collaborating with our clips
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: This is one of those I'm glad you wouldn't collaborate with.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: God damn.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: How many comments did it have?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It hasn't stopped there chewing you up. But what's crazy
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: is us having this conversation and knowing that you literally—
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Let me see how many comments. 107K views, but 1,444 comments.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Is this on Instagram?
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I just saw that. I never saw it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But this is the clip. I'm about to clip you
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: up to have them get on your ass again.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: This is the clip, though.
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: Speaking with me, that you think gay needs to be
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: taught in school. How confusing when they don't even need
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: to know anything about same-sex. They're fucking children. I wrote
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: back and I said, your kids were never explained why
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: you and your husband are together. And that's sexual orientation,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: isn't it?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: And then she just looks like this. 100% agree. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: when I tell you, absolutely not.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah nah girl I get you like to explore but
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: trying to turn soul's birth through a portal to the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: underworld their purpose in life is to make it better
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: when I say oh no no they going in I
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: have really good and literally literally it's such a short
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: clip and it's just her.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Saying that okay that was fucking April that was the.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Whole clip no that wasn't no that was the whole
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: clip it's just this microcosm We have our social media
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: girl now making, she.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Clipped out her closet. You know what I mean?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: But the clip is literally that a husband and wife
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be explained.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: So to that question, what if you, in your educated opinion,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: if you were teaching any age and you transitioned into
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: teaching sex ed or trying to teach Sexual orientation.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: What age do you think is appropriate and how would
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: you explain it?
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: That's a really.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I know it's nuanced.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know about... Like, when did I... When did
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: we have sex at?
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I would say seventh or eighth grade.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Middle school.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So, like, you're right before 13. And it's because most
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: women have their periods by that point.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, true.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Which means you can get pregnant. And there was a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: pregnant girl in my middle school. They were fucking in
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: middle school where I went. I also had sex with
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: a girl.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Before a guy, and I had had sex before middle school.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: So I didn't want to, not elementary, I didn't want
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: to say that, but I was hunching.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: But dry hunching ain't sex.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, then I had sex with a girl in seventh grade.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Seventh grade is when I had sex with a girl,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and that was tripping, if you will. Tripping. So by
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: the time I got to sex sex, which was ninth
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: grade for me. You knew about I knew what I did,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: but sex ed was teaching me more about what I did.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: And I was actually asking a lot of questions like,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: can you get an STD from a girl? Because I'm like,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: let me think of all the shit I did.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, did they talk about gay sex?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Well, she was very butch. She was the basketball coach
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: at Olympia High. She was very butch. And I was
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: like feeling safe because I'm like, well, now I could
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: ask her the gay shit because we already know. That
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: buzz cut stayed.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: No offense.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. Back then, you had a haircut.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I already know. Me and my best friend went to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a comedy show a couple months ago.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: And literally, it was like, and.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: These lesbians in the front.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, this is just my homegirl.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: She ain't gay at all.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: But she wears her little flip hair.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I got this hair.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: But that was how you knew back then, I feel like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: because women are so obsessed with femininity that they feel
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: like they got to have hair. But basically, I would
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: raise my hand and ask in class. And that taught
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: me more than anything. My mom, I was comfortable enough
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: to tell about crushes and stuff, but what would she
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: know about lesbian sex from my POV, right?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: If she wasn't giving us female condoms to go out with.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, girl.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess, I don't know. I think the
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: problem is being like, okay, so everyone's straight, and then
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: there's this other thing that's the.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: That's what it'd be given.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Like, it gives that. Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: It's like, oh, so, because someone commented on our videos
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: and said, I hope it was us in the grocery store.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: They said, I hope that you're mindful of the children
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: and families around you. And I was like, oh, and
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: she's always like, don't engage with them.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Don't engage.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, because I said, well, what's the
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: difference between them? They said, because it'll confuse the children
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: to see you guys together. But I said, so it
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: won't confuse them to see their mom and dad, like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: walk down the aisle, maybe, like, kiss on it. They
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: said no because that's the— they said that's the norm. So
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: seeing anything that's outside of the norm is going to
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: just make the children way too confused.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: But even that, I can see if you were wearing, like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a I love pussy shirt and witch queen. Y'all are
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: out here, like, advertising that you are intimate with each other.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: You're two women.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: Walking in a grocery store. We do blogs and stuff.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: So— I think my shirts are way more inappropriate now
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: that you said that. I wore a shirt yesterday that
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: said God's favorite bisexual.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: And we should start doing that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I really do think like the way
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: you present yourself in public outfits.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: So it's crazy because see, in terms of sexuality, I
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: know you mentioned like the heterosexual like acceptance, but there
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: is a part of heterosexuality that I think gets just
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: as dogged upon as as homosexuals.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: And it would be lifestylers.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Like when people are into kink, BDSM, or are open
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: about swinging, sharing partners, being open, I think they get
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: attacked just as much as same-sex couples.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: I can see that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I would say that's the only pocket of heterosexuals. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: they like bias because they do everything.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Some of them.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: But I think they get attacked just as much.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: I can see that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Now, we have a few questions for you before we
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: get out of here that I actually am super curious about.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: As far as power imbalance, do you find that because
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: you're older, maybe you sometimes have given off, I know
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: more than you in conversations? No, never.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: She has grown in confidence so much. I think partly.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: through like what we do on social media and she's
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: gotten a lot more self-assured, but she's a pretty shy person.
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've picked up.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I think we all pick up.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: That's why they call you annoying.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: But then they call me and they're like, I hate her.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Everybody always calls the extroverted one in the relationship annoying.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're like, I'm sick of hearing from you. But yeah,
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And where does your age show the most? When are
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you like, oh, she's so fucking young.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: She's so old.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: No, it's my texting because I'm like, she texting like this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: That is funny.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, I didn't have a cell phone until I
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: was 30 years old. Cell phones weren't.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: We were talking about technology. I was like, when did you, like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: I remember when Facebook first came out. And she's like, oh, yeah,
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: I was 30-something years old. And I'm like, yeah, that
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: makes sense.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: It's definitely the technology. Yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Because we grew up.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: With the shit.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: Because we grew up with it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And when do you feel like she's doing something that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: so young? TikTok right now? I guess your relationship.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: Probably with social media stuff that I do.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: No, but I don't. No?
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: Like, even from, like, day one of talking to her,
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: she's an old soul. Like, she's just— Oh, music, I think.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, music, yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, my ex— What movies were.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: You like, you never saw Pretty Woman? Yeah, movies. I
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: think movies and music sometimes.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Because I'm such a movie buff. You know, like, I'll
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: rewatch— I' m a big rom-com.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Name two that blew your mind. You were like, I
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: have to sit you down and watch them.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Oh, we just watched some.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: Practical Magic.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: Practical Magic.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: I never saw Practical Magic.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: I'm like, we have to go see the second one
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: for God's sake.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: That's when I knew I wanted to fuck Nicole Kidman.
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: Well, there you go. She was so.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Nicole's in it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: I gotta watch it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: She had the horniest... You know when they're witches? Her,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Sandra Bullock, and... I've never seen Practical Magic. There's about
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: to be a part two.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Practical Magic. What else?
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Like, we watched.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: She never saw.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: You've Got Mail.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: I love You've Got Mail. I had never seen Beetlejuice.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, Beetlejuice.
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because the second one came out.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: I know, and she introduced me to all these movies.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: Or I'll be like, you know, what are some songs,
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: like millennial songs?
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Wait, the good Beetlejuice, right? With, uh.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: The Virgin.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, Nelly, if you want to go and take
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: a ride with me.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: You know that song?
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: That's what I knew.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, you do know it? I was in a bar,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: and they were all different. First off, yeah, you just
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: say Nelly. Nelly... No, no, no, that's millennial.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: It's a global and country.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: But that's the point. We're talking about millennial. That song encapsulated.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I was like, everybody in this room, the way they're singing,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: they got to be in their 30s right now. No,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: my mom would know that song. Yeah, but I think
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: that was more of like our, like that was our era.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's different when you talk about radio hits
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and like deep cuts. Because like Nelly was on, and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he was being played on country stations, pop stations, hip
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: hop stations.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: But Gen B won't give a shit about it. Like
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: that is a millennial like kind of. And especially like
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: that era of hip hop too. Okay, final one for me.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: We have to bring it back now that you guys
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: are loose. Now we're loose.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: Now we're loose.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Our hors d'oeuvre segment is a sex tip. We still
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: haven't heard mouth, scissors, or fingers. And I just want
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: to know a sex tip if you guys could give
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: one on either or your favorite.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: I would die if Kelly would give a sex tip.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: This is like the most un-Kelly thing to do. What?
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: Give a sex tip.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: I just... Something you think you're good at or maybe
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: like a tip, like a big no, like a big no, no.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: I'll just say my people say when I have my
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: hands in a picture, they're like, oh, my God, those hands.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: I am like, no, but lesbians know.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: So they say her hands are too big.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Wait, what? Okay, now that was dirtier than I thought
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: you were going to go.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: I know, Kelly. Wow, Kelly. Hold on. Fisting, Kelly.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I just got fisted. But the hand was so small.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. I know the hand was so small.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: It was a small hand.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: It was a very small hand.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: You're like, I can only do two, Kelly.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: Well, Kelly has long fingers.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: So that's a thing.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a thing. Like, finger size or.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, we kind of joke about it, but it's true.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: I think we're more finger.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not going to lie. That's also very.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: New age.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Are your hands AI? That's crazy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: That's a new type of way to like.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I have piano legs.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: She has huge hands. And look how tiny my hands are.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: She played basketball.
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she was a basketball.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: She really got it working. Because this hand.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I know, my fingers are short. Do you see how
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: small they are? But yeah, people are like, ew, look
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: at her hands. And she's like, well.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: What's something you would like to incorporate? Because people are
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: asking you who does the strap. You both haven't done
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: it with each other.
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: No.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I actually hated it, but.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Is there anything you guys are wanting to explore, whether
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: it be non-monogamy or kink or maybe going to a
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: sex club one day?
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: You want to go to a sex club? We can,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: but I don't think I would want to.
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've been to strip clubs.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, strip clubs, okay.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: You guys want to go one together?
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: No, I think it would be fun.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: You have to go to a strip club.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Like, not for, like, a sexual purpose, but just, like.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: No, for a sexual purpose, duh. It's for you both
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: to get turned on.
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: Also, okay.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, wait, real quick. I love lesbians, too, because I
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: feel like they could do that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I love how we're saying this, though.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Who is your favorite artist? Woman.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Music artist?
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Do you have one?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Tina Turner. Tina Turner.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, now the age gap. I know, this is really hard.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: That's very great.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Who are you playing the most right now?
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: I like Ariana.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: But I'm not like a big fan of anybody.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: She's going into hiding right now.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: She is.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: She is.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: My question was going to be, would you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Let her go on stage and be serenaded by Tina Turner?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And would you let her go on stage and be
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: serenaded by Ariana Grande? For sure. Thank you.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I love this.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: 100%. Because that's not sexual.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: In heterosexual relationships. It is the conversation all over the
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: internet from Usher, Chris Brown.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: Oh, like, would you let your wife?
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Because all the girl friends are going up and being
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: serenaded at the shows.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, I'll break up with my girlfriend
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: if she does that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And so that's why I was, like, curious.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, that makes sense. No, I didn't know that that
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: was a whole big thing that people are talking about.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You know, heterosexuality.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, man, it's kind of.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: They find anything.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: The Mount Rushmore of four most popular lesbians that's our
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: final question okay four most we're naming the four most
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: popular your four favorite celebrity lesbians oh favorite celebrity lesbians
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: go Kate McKinnon Kate McKinnon okay.
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: Nope we're gonna have to google her she's from SNL
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: oh I mean what's her name what's her real name
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: well she's not lesbian I know but like no no
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: no no she plays a lesbian so they have to
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: be a lesbian in real life alright Kate McKinnon Sarah
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: Paulson Sarah Paulson Niecy Nash.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Niecy yep and.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: Holland taylor oh holland taylor.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: She's sarah paulson sarah paulson i love the two of
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: them sarah paulson's the one white woman black woman want
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: to take her in.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: The race where anyway you guys have you enjoyed today's episode.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: That's crazy y'all only say ellen but okay we can
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: talk about her.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: Before the problematic.
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: I loved her before.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: She liked me when.
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: Ellen came out, and that was a big deal.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: She was my favorite lesbian growing up.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But now I'm being your favorite lesbian. So check the
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: description of the link in the bio to go and
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: follow them. And yeah, where would you like people to
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: support you the most, engage with you?
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, follow us on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: And Facebook, yeah. Hopefully you guys can do a live
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: and ask more questions, like a follow-up after these episodes.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, that would be fun.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Anyway, patreon.com backslash Horrible Decisions to get Horrible Decisions episodes.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: We'll work you guys up to that. It's our dirty,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: dirty version of the show. And of course, go buy
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: our New York Times bestseller, No Home Part. See you soon.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Bye.