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28-year-old mom of one body found dismembered in car trunk. Did freaky neighbor stalk and kill Sara Zghoul? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I Want Justice.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace premieres March ninth, only on
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation. Remains of a young mom stuffed in suitcases.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a horrible movie or some thriller or
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  Speaker 1: a work of fiction, but in fact, it is a
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  Speaker 1: horror story dreamed up in the mind of a killer.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to twenty eight year old Sarah Zigoul Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a young mom just
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  Speaker 1: disappear into thin air? She's at home one moment with
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  Speaker 1: her little boy, They're in the family home, and then
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  Speaker 1: suddenly she's gone. And what does that do to a
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  Speaker 1: child for the rest of their life? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know that after my fiance was murdered shortly before our wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Every day I think my husband or my children could
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  Speaker 1: just disappear. And I know that's not really going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: but you live with that thought that not only can
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  Speaker 1: it happen, it has happened to you. What does that
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  Speaker 1: do to a little boy that was playing at home.
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  Speaker 1: Mommy was there and then suddenly she's gone and he
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  Speaker 1: never sees her again. I can also remember September eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Of course living in New York working at Court TV
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  Speaker 1: and that day and the smell in the air, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of an electrical burning smell. And for the longest time,
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  Speaker 1: no flights could fly over the city of Manhattan, New
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  Speaker 1: York City. So I had a habit of sneaking into
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  Speaker 1: the workout room at the top of our apartment building
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  Speaker 1: at night and would exercise in the light of just
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  Speaker 1: some security lights. And I remember the first time I
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  Speaker 1: saw a plane go overhead and I was on the trip,
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  Speaker 1: running on the treadmill and looked up and I immediately
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  Speaker 1: jumped down and took off because it didn't all register.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that you live with the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: So what is it going to do to this little boy?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories and you
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  Speaker 1: are tuned into Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven
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  Speaker 1: the Triumph Channel. First order of business. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. I'm talking about a beautiful young mom
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  Speaker 1: of a little boy. Sarah Zigulan with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to break it apart and put it back
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  Speaker 1: together again. Troye Layton with me, renowned criminal defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of La Cloyd Steiger thirty six years,
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  Speaker 1: Seattle PD twenty two years homicide detective, author all Seattle's
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  Speaker 1: Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant, And you can find
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: death investigator, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: My colleague Joseph Scott Morgan, renowned psychologists joining me out
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  Speaker 1: of Manhattan today, Karen Stark. But right now to Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigated reporter Levi Page Levi, Now, don't
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  Speaker 1: put the cart before the horse. First, tell me about
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Zigul. Tell me what you know, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: with every crime you've got to know the victim and
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  Speaker 1: then you branch out from there to find the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Sarah. What do you know? Well, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Zigel is twenty eight years old, she's a model, she's
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  Speaker 1: aspiring actress, and she's living in Aloha, Oregon. She has
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  Speaker 1: an eight year old, twenty eight aspiring model actress gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that model part. Okay, living in I think,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm just aspiring Nancy. I'm looking at her pictures.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's photographs on her Instagram. Where she's on
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  Speaker 1: the runway, she's in some glamorous dresses, she's doing some
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  Speaker 1: print campaigns. She looks to be like she could be
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  Speaker 1: very successful at this very attractive young lady. Yeah, she's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: So hold on twenty eight. What was I doing when
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  Speaker 1: I was twenty eight? Let's see here I got an Oh, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I was just starting the District Attorney's office in inner
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  Speaker 1: city Atlanta. Okay, tell me about the little boy in
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  Speaker 1: the neighborhood leavi Page. It's a residential neighborhood. Nancy very unassuming,
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  Speaker 1: a very picturesque, and they lived with her family. Joscott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: You've been to a lot of death scenes, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of autopsies, and when you hear someone say unassuming neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: that can mean a lot of things. That could mean
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  Speaker 1: it's low income neighborhood, it's got crime in it once
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  Speaker 1: it gets dark outside, or it could mean a treeline suburb.
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  Speaker 1: Unassuming can mean anything, and that's important when you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for a missing person, because if it's a high crime rate,
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  Speaker 1: it's more likely they fell victim to crime. Statistically, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is, and you know, of course, you know that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of in the eye of the beholder as well?
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  Speaker 1: How are you going to assess this environment? The thing
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  Speaker 1: that we have to keep in mind, Nancy, is that
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  Speaker 1: in all cases, every environment has potential would be very,
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  Speaker 1: very dangerous. Well I know that, and you know what.
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  Speaker 1: Let me circle back to you leave. What do you
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  Speaker 1: mean by unassuming? Because what I learned from our research
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  Speaker 1: is that it was a low crime area and a
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  Speaker 1: very nice neighborhood. Yes, it's a residential area of suburban
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  Speaker 1: fill to a very low crime area in Aloha, Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: You know Cloyd Stiger with me thirty six years SEATTLEPD. Cloyd,
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  Speaker 1: did I ever tell you about one of my first
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  Speaker 1: dope cases? And it must have been a trial calendar?
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  Speaker 1: And I opened the file because the cop was there
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  Speaker 1: and they would only come to court if you were
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to go to trial. And I inherited this
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  Speaker 1: courtman was filling him. Okay, So I opened the file
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  Speaker 1: and I went, are you kidding me? You want me
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  Speaker 1: to believe you were in this neighborhood? And the defendant
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  Speaker 1: came out on the corner and held up a glass
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  Speaker 1: seen bag of crack at you, and you arrested him.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you just take out a billboard on Third Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: It says, Hi, I'm a joke. Do y'all er please
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  Speaker 1: arrest me. I don't believe that for one minute. Get
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  Speaker 1: that out of here. And I dismissed the case because
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  Speaker 1: I thought, what idiot in their right mind would wave
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  Speaker 1: a bag of crack. They're about this big, a little bitty,
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  Speaker 1: like a square inch, and you might have a five rock,
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  Speaker 1: five dollars, ten rock, ten dollars, twenty rock, twenty dollars
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  Speaker 1: size of crack, kind of a brownish white. It looks
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  Speaker 1: almost like a mixture of white and brown sugar and
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  Speaker 1: a little rock. Then get this Cloyd. Fast forward three months.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going out am I beat up Honda Smoke, coming
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  Speaker 1: out from under the hood, going to the same neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: to try to find a witness. I stop at the
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  Speaker 1: red light and guess what, Cloyd Stiger, A guy holds
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  Speaker 1: up a glass sea bag a crack. I'm like, so
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying It does depend on the neighborhood. It
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  Speaker 1: does you go missing and you check and you see,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I hear Joe Scott Morgan preaching to the
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  Speaker 1: choir or Joe Scott that crime can happen in any neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I know that, But the statistics are, if you got
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  Speaker 1: crime in your neighborhood, you're more likely to have fallen
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  Speaker 1: prey to a criminal in your neighborhood, as supposed to
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  Speaker 1: taking off with your boyfriend, like it is assumed by
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  Speaker 1: so so many times when women go missing. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, never underst me the stupid or to
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  Speaker 1: give bsiness of a drug dealer. But you're right, it
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  Speaker 1: depends on your neighborhood, and you would not think there's
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  Speaker 1: anything necessarily You don't have to really delve into this
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  Speaker 1: victim's background and what's going on in her life, and
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  Speaker 1: is there a reason she would live on her own
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  Speaker 1: and live on her us she's twenty eight? What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? Why was she want to live on her own?
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  Speaker 1: I was living on my own at twenty judging her
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  Speaker 1: leave on her Okay, okay, you just got to quit
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  Speaker 1: it on that chart, So, LEVI, I think between myself,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott and Chlode's Tiger, we fought about it long enough,
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  Speaker 1: nice neighborhood. Nobody just broke into her house and dragged
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  Speaker 1: her out by her hair. Tell me about the little boy, LEVI,
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  Speaker 1: how old is he the son eight years old and
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  Speaker 1: she had a very close relationship with him. This woman,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Zigouel, did not just leave her eight year old
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  Speaker 1: son behind and vanish no suitcases, missing, no clothing, valuables
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  Speaker 1: at the home her eight year old boy, her the
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  Speaker 1: love of her life. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For
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  Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, I Nancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. You are with us on Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven Triumph Channel, And again, first
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  Speaker 1: order of business, thank you for being with us today.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of this gorgeous twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: year old mom, Sarah zigoul And I gotta tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining me from Manhattan. Karen Stark, New York psychologist.
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  Speaker 1: You know all those trials we covered together very often
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  Speaker 1: sitting in a dark studio. Remember how I kept telling
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  Speaker 1: you I want to have children, I want to have
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  Speaker 1: a family in the face. Well it happened, and you
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  Speaker 1: were right because you said you think you'll love David,
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  Speaker 1: you just wait until you have children. What I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: is no offense David, because I know you're watching Fox
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  Speaker 1: Nation right now. I love David, but there is nothing
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  Speaker 1: thing like a mother's love. There is nothing like a
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  Speaker 1: mother's love. And I do not believe this woman would
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  Speaker 1: have just up and left her little boy. Karen. I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe it either, Nancy. I mean, there's no indication
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  Speaker 1: whatsoever that she would have done that. And if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the bond between a mother and a child,
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing wrong with her. She didn't she was
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  Speaker 1: not psychotics. She loved her little boy, and there is
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  Speaker 1: no way that this woman would have decided to take
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  Speaker 1: off and leave her eight year old son. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, Levi Page joining me crime online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter. I'm looking right now at some video from
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  Speaker 1: Koi n and it's showing her. That is a professional shot.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like she's it's not a barbary scarf, but
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  Speaker 1: the wind is blowing her hair and it looks to
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  Speaker 1: be kind of a barbary scarf looking drape around her neck.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't just an aspiring model. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 1: professional shot. She was. She was a model. So tell me, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten past her scarf in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I'm better move this investigation along. Tell me about that
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  Speaker 1: the time, and if you know the day of the week,
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  Speaker 1: because that's significant, whether it's a work day when everybody
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  Speaker 1: else is at work on their nine to five. Was
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  Speaker 1: it a Saturday, Was it a Saturday night, a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: morning where crime is less likely to happen. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about what we know the mechanics of her disappearance, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could answer that, because she
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  Speaker 1: was never reported missing. You know what, You're right? In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing we know, it's when there is a
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call, and it's around It's Thursday at
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  Speaker 1: eleven pm, a nine one one call froming a lowhat
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  Speaker 1: resident who claims that there was a rucous in a ravine.
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  Speaker 1: Now cops respond, go with me here, we'll leave my page.
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  Speaker 1: What if anything do they find in the ravine? They
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  Speaker 1: find a thirty five year old man, Nancy, that is
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  Speaker 1: crying and wailing, and they and he has injuries to
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  Speaker 1: his neck and he's found with a knife. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: what you know about a BMW and Nancy. Police got
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  Speaker 1: a telephone call and it was a tip and they said,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to find a body inside of a black BMW.
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  Speaker 1: And here is the neighborhood in which this BMW can't
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  Speaker 1: be found, and police went to the scene with cadaver
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  Speaker 1: dogs and cadaver dogs alerted to that BMW. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know when the tip came in? The tip came in
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of hours after a neighbor in that
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  Speaker 1: area near where the vehicle was found called and said,
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  Speaker 1: there's a strange man on my property leaning up against
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  Speaker 1: a tree. So hours after that tip came in saying
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  Speaker 1: check this BMW, there could be a dead body inside.
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  Speaker 1: That's when they got another telephone call from a neighbor saying,
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  Speaker 1: there's this strange man on my property with injuries on
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  Speaker 1: him and he's screaming and wailing to Troyce Layton joining me,
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  Speaker 1: renowned criminal defense attorney out in LA. Defense attorneys hate
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  Speaker 1: anonymous tipsters, especially when they turn out to be right,
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  Speaker 1: because if they truly are anonymous and your client goes
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  Speaker 1: to jail, you can never question the tipster. I guess
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  Speaker 1: that was a double edged Troy, because you could then
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  Speaker 1: claim to a jury and unsuspecting jury that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: your guy that did it, it was actually the tipster,
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  Speaker 1: or how else would they have known where the body
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  Speaker 1: was Anonymous tipsters are also problematic because there's no way
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  Speaker 1: to cross examine them. You can't to them about how
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  Speaker 1: they knew what they knew. So just say that you
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  Speaker 1: can put stuff onto them. But in the I mean
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  Speaker 1: you can't put stuff onto them, you mean blind them
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  Speaker 1: instead of your client. Well, if maybe they're culpable, so
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  Speaker 1: then yes, Nancy. The important thing here is that if
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  Speaker 1: somebody is calling in with information, that person had to
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  Speaker 1: have gotten that information from somebody, and if they were
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  Speaker 1: an innocent bystander, they would give their They wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: afraid to give their information. They're identifying information. So back
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  Speaker 1: to you LEVI page, climb online, dot Com, invest Together
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  Speaker 1: Report or LEVI. So there's an anonymous tip go check
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  Speaker 1: out this black BMW. There's a body in it. And
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  Speaker 1: what happens, and Nancy, what happens is they find the
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  Speaker 1: body of twenty eight year old Starsycle and she has
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  Speaker 1: been cut up and dismembered, and she has found in
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  Speaker 1: sight two suitcases. Jose Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: jacksonvill State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet, commonly faunted
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  Speaker 1: as a death investigator. Joe Scott, did you ever see Dexter. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: yes I do. I mean who didn't? But you do
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  Speaker 1: know that Dexter and Mystery Woman got me through my
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  Speaker 1: very difficult pregnancy. Did you know that? I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Well you need to know that as a death investigator.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, wait a minute, here's the rest of that story.
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  Speaker 1: When I started the Hallmark movies, I said, who's that
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  Speaker 1: woman that played Mystery Woman she got me through my pregnancy.
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  Speaker 1: It was Kelly Martin, who was now Haley Dean. Little
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  Speaker 1: tidbit of information that is irrelevant to this case. But
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  Speaker 1: dismembering a body, it's not like on Dexter Joe Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: remember how he'd coat everything in plastic and he'd dismember
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  Speaker 1: the dead body. Who was always a bad guy that
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  Speaker 1: just you know, he had vigilante justice ideation. He had
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  Speaker 1: dismember the body and get rid of it and never
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  Speaker 1: be seen. Right, it's not like that to dismember a body. Explain, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not Nancy. A matter of fact, it's very I
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  Speaker 1: think it goes without saying, it's a very messy business.
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  Speaker 1: I worked in morgues in New Orleans and in Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: and spent a lot of time around bodies being dissected.
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  Speaker 1: I've dissected bodies, and I have to tell you, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something to be entered into lightly because you
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  Speaker 1: have to have the right tools and the right skill set.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're talking about tools for an autopsy, you
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  Speaker 1: need a saw. Yeah you do, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that is depended upon what kind of saw you choose.
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  Speaker 1: You just can't run down to the hardware store and
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  Speaker 1: pick up, you know, a limb saw, for instance, and
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  Speaker 1: use that the same way we would use what's called
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  Speaker 1: a striker saw in the morgue, which is a little
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  Speaker 1: agitated saw. Everybody's seen these in the movie movies. They've
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  Speaker 1: heard the sound. There's a reason they're much like a castle.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say a striker saw? Striker saw? Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: actually pull that up or pull it up on get
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  Speaker 1: I kind of see what a striker saw it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been an autopsy, but I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what was a striker saw. What's that? Well, it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a handheld saw that is electrically driven. It's got
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  Speaker 1: a very powerful little electrical motor in it, and it agitates,
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  Speaker 1: it goes back and forth. If people have ever had
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  Speaker 1: a cast on their arm. It's very similar to a
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  Speaker 1: cast saw. Oh yes, it actually looks kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a drill. It looks like a drill, but on the
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  Speaker 1: end there's it's a little round end. Is that the
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  Speaker 1: blade and it goes around and around. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 1: got very very tiny hold on Dear Lord in Heaven.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought about a striker saw as it relates
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  Speaker 1: to Sarah Zigoul. Why do you need a striker saw?
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  Speaker 1: Just curious. Well, the teeth as you can see on
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  Speaker 1: that saw, or very very tiny, Nancy, And so they
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  Speaker 1: stay in if you once you start to saw a bone, okay,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going through bone as opposed to a joint.
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  Speaker 1: One of the problems is is it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 1: stay in the groove that you normally start. And you'll
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  Speaker 1: see people that have never dismembered a body. You'll get
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  Speaker 1: what are called on the bone itself, that are called
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  Speaker 1: stop starts. They'll start in one area, the blabe will
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  Speaker 1: jump out of place, and that's one of the ways
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  Speaker 1: we can kind of tell how long someone spent attempting
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  Speaker 1: to do this with a striker saw. The teeth are
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  Speaker 1: so very tiny that it stays in one continuous group
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  Speaker 1: and you can work down through the bone. The question
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  Speaker 1: is when he went to dismember this poor girl's body,
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  Speaker 1: did he go into the direct shaft of the bone
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  Speaker 1: or did he do it at the joint? Why do
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  Speaker 1: I need to know that? Well, we need to know
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  Speaker 1: that because that goes to skill, the skill level of
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  Speaker 1: this person. If the person dissected the body, do they
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  Speaker 1: have any kind of experience relative to this? Okay, ejaculates
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  Speaker 1: a little green in the face right now, right here
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  Speaker 1: in the studio, and he started talking about the strikers
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  Speaker 1: saw and that you need skill. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here,
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  Speaker 1: I have investigated and prosecuted literally thousands of felony cases.
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  Speaker 1: I have covered literally thousands of cases of missing people,
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  Speaker 1: adults and children, unsolved homicides, violent crimes. My question is
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  Speaker 1: what can we do about it? I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: just sit back and report on it. I want to
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  Speaker 1: take action and I know you must feel the same way.
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  Speaker 1: And here is the news we have all worked so
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  Speaker 1: Exploited Children. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace everybody. For those
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  Speaker 1: of you just joining us on Nancy Grace, this is
• 21:45
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  Speaker 1: Serious X one eleven Triumph Channel. Thank you for being
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: with us. We're talking about the disappearance and then very
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: disturbing death of a young mom twenty eight years old
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Sarah Zagoul. Anonymous tip there is a body and a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: black BMW who they called that in Well, the cops
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: get there with cadaver dogs and sure enough there is
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a body in two suitcases. And I'm talking right now
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to death investigator Joseph Scott Morgam So Joe Scott, what
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that means is just let's cut the chase. There is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: one h E L L. You know I gave up
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: person when I had the twins. One heck of a
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: crime scene somewhere, probably a secondary or tertiary scene, because
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: she had to be taken from the home, she had
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to be murdered, and then she had to be dismembered,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: so and then put back in the suitcases in the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: BMW and left. So we've got four crime scenes. But
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: wherever that dismemberment scene is, that's got a lot of evidence.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yes, it does. And it's not just blood, Nancy.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: When you think about this, and I don't want to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: go too far few with a crusive nature to examine it,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: we have to think about this. Not only are you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: talking about, say, for instance, like blood, we're talking about
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: things like bone dust for instance, because is literally yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: there are little chips and bone that are generated from
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: this and they can blow about, just like you think
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: about wood and a carpenter's shop. And those are the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: types of things that we look for at the scene.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Not to mention the things we can't see with the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: unaided eye, for instance, like DNA trace elements of DNA,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And when you're manipulating a body, did he disrobe the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: body or did he try to cut through clothing. I've
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: actually seen people try to cut through clothing to dismember
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a body. If you do that, then you've got fibers,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you've got hair that's left behind, and it's very frenzied.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: There are any number of accounts of people attempting to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: dismember bodies and they get right into the middle of it, Nancy,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and they say, what in the world am I doing?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And they realize what a herculean task this is setting
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: before them. And then how are they going to get
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: rid of the body? Because now you've dismembered a body,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: You've just created more evidence as opposed to one intact body.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You've got multiple items that you have, and then not
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: only that, taking the body and putting it in two
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: suitcases in a black BMW, driving the BMW and leaving
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it abandoned. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD, twenty
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: two years, homicide. Have you ever seen a dismemberment, Cloyd,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I've actually had several and just the Scott's exactly right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That are most of the ones that you've had. Several dismemberments, yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: well yeah, or attempted I should say several attempted dismembers.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: A couple of complete but most of the Pemy's right.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: They stopped because it's so much harder than they think
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, you know what, I'm glad you said that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: because whoever did this was hell bent on dismembering this
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: young mom. Hell bent because my point and we got
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: far afield and I blame you, Jeff Scott Morgan, but
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta say I egged you on who did this
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the frame of mind required to not only commit a murderer,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: but then go through carry through with a dismemberment. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Leavi Page, where was the little eight year old boy
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: all this time at the house. Yes, he was at
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: home with his grandparents because his mother they all lived
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in the family home. Okay, so she lived. Okay, I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: glad you told me that. So he wasn't there alone.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: He was with her mom and dad. They all lived together. Yo.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: K Yeah, you know, Leavi Page, My mom has lived
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: with us since my dad went to heaven, and she's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: certainly a handful. But I'm so glad that my children
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: are getting to be around her. So he was not
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: left alone wandering in the home. You know, Karen Stark,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I've said so many times we covet that which we see,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons I A. I hate shopping,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: as you know, but there have been times I've gone
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: into a mall and I'm like, what is art? What
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is this? I haven't even seen that because I hate
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: shopping so much. I think that's They're a very tried
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and true tenant in criminal law. We covet that which
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: we see. If we don't see it, we don't covet it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to David and Bathsheba.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Remember that one. Yes, he wouldn't have even been party
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to murder if he hadn't seen Bathsheba taken a bath
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on a rooftop and wanted to marry her, to put
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you know, ephemistically, and had her husband killed. You don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: covet that which you don't see. Have you ever heard
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that before? Karen start I had heard that, Nancy, And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in that frame of mind, take a listen to our
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: friend Bob Hey at ka TU two. This investigatives shouldn't yesterday,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Why deputy say they got a nine one one call
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and found a woman's body in a car just a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: few blocks from here. This photo from the Washington County
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office shows the car officers found with the body
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of twenty eight year old Sarah Zgoul of Aloa inside.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Authorities wouldn't confirm reports that Zagul's body had been dismembered
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and put inside the car's trunk. Deputese came to the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: spot where the car was found on Thursday after a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: nine one one caller contacted the Sheriff's office worried that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: someone had been killed the site where the car was found.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: He's just three blocks from the house searched by investigators
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: all day Friday. Those are my neighbors right next door,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the really nice people. We see them every day. Wrene
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Triplett knows the couple that lives in the house and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: saw them with investigators outside the home Friday morning, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: she hasn't seen their adults son since the investigation began.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: He lived there as far as I know, I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: since last summer, kind of when I started seeing him.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, other than that, I don't really know much
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: about him. Well. The Sheriff's office confirms a man is
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in custody in connection with their investigation. They haven't said
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: who he is. They also haven't said what evidence led
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: from the car where serves as Agoul's body was found
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Thursday to this home three blocks away from where that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: car was parked, and that was Myrene Shiplet and Christine
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Siross talking about a neighborhood home her parents lived with
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a grown son, a thirty five year old male. Guys,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I want you to also take a listen to KPTV
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Fox twelve reporter Jamie Wilson, keeping in mind that tried
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and true, we covet that which we see. Listen. It
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: all started with a tip they got yesterday. Well, horrible
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and shocking, but as I just mentioned to you, with
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: crap that's going on everywhere, it seems like it's just
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: not too surprising that Mike McHugh was at home in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Iloa last night when deputies converged on his neighborhood. Cops
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: say they got a tip about a murder, leading them
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to Southwest Saralla and Hargus Street. That's where they found
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: this BMW and a woman's body in the trunk. The
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: victim is twenty eight year old Sarah's a Ghoul from Iloa. Then,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: around eleven pm, police say they found the suspect near
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the intersection of Teel and Murray Boulevard and they took
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: him into custody. Neighbors can hardly believe it because you're
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: always seeing this kennething happening else where are you? You
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: wonder if anything like this is ever gonna affect your life,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And then something like this happens and you can start
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: wondering even more. Now. Sarah's Agoul's Facebook page says she
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was a model actress and she went to PSU. Now
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: neighbors want to know how and why her life ended here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: How did her life end? Why did her life end there?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Two Levi page claim online dot Com investigative reporter Levi
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: just one question. How far away was the BMW from
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Sarah Zigoul's home she shared with her parents and son
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: half a block? Half a block? And that tells me
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: very clearly that her killer lived in that neighborhood. He
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: knew her habits, he knew her schedule. How many times
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: had he watched her go in and out of the home?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Welcome back, everybody. I Nancy Grace,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories and you are watching Fox Nation
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and listening to Serious XM one eleven. Thanks for being
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: with us. You know, when you pass your neighbor in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the street or in your apartment building in Manhattan. You
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: usually don't think anything odd about them or suspicious of them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: In fact, you see them every day. But isn't it
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so true to Joseph Scott Morgan and our line of business.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It's those very people. I mean, you start a homicide
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: investigation with the really the love partners, husband ex husband, boyfriend,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. Then you move to other family, then you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: move to neighbors, then you moved to co workers. You
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: move out in that order for statistically sound reasons. So
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: maybe we should be looking sideways at our neighbor, Oh
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you're not, kid and Nancy, and also those that immediately
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: have very intimate contact with those that you know statistics
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: talk about. You know, you're more You're more risk with
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a person you're laying in bed next to than you're
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you know, a total stranger that you've never met. You know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I met your wife and I just don't think and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she wouldn't stab you in the night. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she wouldn't. Joe Scott, guys, take a
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: list to our friends at Portland KOI and Jennifer Dowling,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: still trying to process this disturbing crime. The home that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: sits behind me. It doesn't sit far from Sarah's house.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It is still surrounded by police tape, and it was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the scene of a massive investigation earlier today. You never
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: would expect that to happen to somebody that you know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Sarah's a Gel's friend say. She was outgoing, in friendly,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: always ready to brighten the room. She was very funny person.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Everybody knew her and her whole family. Gregory grew up
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: ten minutes from her house. He said, the teams in
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: this neighborhood formed a tight knit group throughout high school.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I just feel so bad for her family. The twenty
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: eight year old was an aspiring model and actress. Her
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: friend and photographer Lester's Side took these photos of her.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: He says it was something she really enjoyed doing. Others
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: tell us she had a young son that meant everything
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to her. Nobody knows if it was like a stranger,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: if it was like somebody close to her. It's like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm scary. WT say they found her body
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in the BMW after receiving a tip the idea suspect
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and eventually picked him up last night near Southwest Murray
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Boulevard and teel not that far from the home that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: was under investigation. Today they found the guy lown down
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: by the little creek down here, Gabors say, the people
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that live in the house are quiet and there's never
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: been any sign of trouble before this. Guys, I want
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you to listen to Katu to anchor Steve Dunn, but
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: first to Leavipage climb online dot Com investigative report. Wait
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: hold on, LEVI, let me go to Troy s Letton. Troy,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I want you to take off your defense hat just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: one moment, because you've no offense, really been around the block.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You tried a lot of cases on the other side
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of the fence from me. How often is it that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: we see defendants and victims from the same neighborhood. They
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: know each other, even if just by sight, they know
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: each other. And in this case, how many times do
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you think this perr and yes I'll call him a PERV,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: had watched her go in and out, maybe in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: front yard, playing with her little boy, bringing in the groceries.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: She had no idea he was watching her. Probably he
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: watched her thousands of times. And oftentimes we see in
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: cases like this where the people know each other, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that's why police investigators first try to exclude every single
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: person that's within the victims orbit. And here this suspect
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: was entirely within her orbit, and he had probably been
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: watching her, her Fami, Emily, her interactions with their children,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: possibly boyfriends or other suitors. Had that pushed him over
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the edge in and out of her life right, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that may have made him cove it what he couldn't have. First,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Cloyd Steiger thirty six years
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Seattle PD. You know, peeping tom is typically a misdemeanor,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it's not a felony, so I never prosecuted any peeping tom's.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But Cloyd, this is what I noticed. When I would
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: finally get a case that I would take to trial
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and obviously be a felony, I would find peeping Tom
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: in the rap sheet either allegations, and there'd usually be
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: several of them. And I'm certainly not a shrink. We've
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: got care and start for that. But Cloyd, there's something
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: about these guys that spy on neighbors, that watch them,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that peep into homes or dressing rooms, just peeping Tom's.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, psyche, but they graduate, Lloyd, they graduate,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: there's something about their psyche. Yeah, they do that, just
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that you know, we always consider those stepping stone crimes
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: when they're young, and they work their ways up to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: maybe grabbing or you know, for tage or one of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: those type crimes. And eventually, what did you say, grabbing
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: or what what was the other one for? Tag? For tage,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: rubbing your body and someone in a crowded elevator, or
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, for sexual arousal of yourself. Okay, let's just
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: stop place. Just don't want to hear about that. I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: talking about murder and rape that they graduated, that some
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: freaking the elevator rubbing against you. I'm talking about a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: violent crime they graduate. Have you ever seen that? Oh? Yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Karen start What is that Kloyd is is a cop
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and an author I'm just a trial lawyer. What is
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that phenomena that you want to peak on somebody you
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: don't even know? Well, you're really enjoying the anonymity of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: it now, And it's definitely a personality disorder and somebody
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: who can become a killer because they are really thrilled
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: with the idea that they don't have to at first
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: have the closed contact and they can just view the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: other person. And he did make a good point, which
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is that if you begin to you know, cut it
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: up to somebody and know they're try and touch them,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that's the next step to actually wanting to touch themboddy
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: grab them. He just gave me a thought because can
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you even imagine he's been watching her all this time
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, maybe going on dates, maybe with her
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: little boy, coming in and out of the car, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: then when he finally approaches her, can you imagine her reaction.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she wanted nothing to do with him. Guys,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Steve Donne at Katu too.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: The convicted felons suspected of killing it A Rolla mother
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is due in court tomorrow. Thirty five year old Jeremiah
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Johnston is being held in the Washington County Jail without
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: bail tonight. This follows nearly a week in the hospital
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: before he was booked. Johnson is accused of killing twenty
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: eight year old Sarah Zagoul. He's charged with her murder
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and abuse of a corpse. Our main priority is making
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: sure to do the really through investigation day we honor
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: her legacy and bring closure and justice with the family.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Her body was found inside a car last Thursday, less
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: than a half mile from her house on one hundred
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and seventy first Place. Johnston has been in and out
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of jail since twenty eleven, and most recently last September.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Investigators have not released details about Johnson's charges nor how
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he got those marks on his neck. Oh, please leavi page.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Did he cline? He was trying to kill himself and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: then he went to the hospital for a week. Yes,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: when police responded to the neighbor that said, there's a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: strange man in our backyard leaning against the tree, yelling.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: He had a knife to his throat and he threatened
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to kill himself a police. But he was holding himself hostage. Yes, yes, okay,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, please help me. He's holding himself hostage
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: with a knife. And have you how many times to
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: kill her? Say? Oh, I meant to kill myself. Oh,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: then how do you explain the dead body in the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: two suitcases? How could you pull that off? But you,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, have you ever seen this before? Oh? I've
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: never well, I've had people killed himself. Yes, absolutely, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this is kind of bizarre. How do you hold yourself
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: hostage with a knife. I guess he's threatening to cut
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: his own throat. It's kind of bizarre. And answer, so
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: LEVI page you bring me up today? Where does it
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: stand right now? So Nancy. He was arrested and he
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was charged with murdered desecration to a corpse. He has
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a criminal record that involves possession of cocaine, drug dealing, cocaine,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: meth anthetamine. He was a felon. He was arrested one
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: time for being in possession of a firearm. But here
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: is what happened. He was arrested, charged with murder. And
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: when he was behind bars, he knew the person that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: called in the tip because he confessed to someone else,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a friend of his named Jeremy Mooney, and he became
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: friends with a police officer behind bars, an ex police
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: officer disgraced. This police officer was charged with soliciting a
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: minor online for sex, and he confessed to him. He says,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I killed this girl. You know. We were hanging out
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and then I tied her up. She got loose and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we got into an argument and I pushed her down
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the stairs. She started vomiting, so I told her to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: take a shower, and while I was in the shower,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I grabbed a knife. While she was in the shower,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I grabbed a knife and then slid her throat. And
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: this police officer took notes and turned his notes into
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, and police just didn't take this what we
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  Speaker 1: call a snitch for their word. They actually went to
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  Speaker 1: the jail, to the wreck area where this conversation had
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  Speaker 1: taken place, and they got video of it. Nancy, there's
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  Speaker 1: no sound, but you can see Jeremy Johnston motioning with
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  Speaker 1: his hands slicing a throat. He did that to his
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  Speaker 1: own throat, and you can see him describing how he
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  Speaker 1: killed this young woman to stop. You know, I note
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  Speaker 1: that you're accurate. Beat. When I think about the eight
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  Speaker 1: year old little boy and this guy, Jeremiah Johnson's lies
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: about what happened. Even I sometimes get oversaturated with violent crime.
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  Speaker 1: I can here's the good news. Jeremiah Johnson sentenced to life.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got one word for you, Johnson, rot in hell.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime story signing off, goodbye friend,