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The History PSYOP: What They've Been Hiding for Thousands of Years w/ John Hamer · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: In 1871, just ninety five years after the Declaration of Independence, The United States went bankrupt. And when that happened, they went back to England, hat in hand. And the deal they made put this country back under the control of the city of London, and the constitution was rewritten. Now most Americans or people across the globe have no idea this ever happened, but my guest today knows. And he spent over twenty years digging deep to exactly how it all played out.
• 0:46
  And more importantly, what that means for you and me right now. So his name is John Hamer. He's a British author and researcher based in the North Of England. He's an expert in the falsification of history and the falsification of science. He's written the books on those topics.
• 1:04
  And look, while most historians just stay comfortable inside the approved version of history, this guy has written eight deeply researched books going back to the original sources and tracing exactly how the world we think we live in was constructed around us. He started questioning things after the death of princess Diana back in 1997, and then he's never stopped. He never gave up. This is a guy who originally set out to disprove some of these ideas and ended up discovering that many of them were actually true. So in this interview, you're gonna learn how a tiny group of elite bloodlines has been running this world for a very, very long time.
• 1:41
  You're gonna find out why the city of London, Washington DC, and the Vatican each operate as their own separate states with their own laws, their own police, and their own power. And you're gonna start to see how all this connects. And once you understand how we got here and who made the decisions that put us in this position, you can start to actually do something about it. And that's the whole point. That's why this information is so important.
• 2:06
  Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So on this show, I talk to real people. Like, people like John who have real solutions to the real problems that we're all facing today. I help you connect the dots between the problems that we see in the present with decisions made by powerful people in the past.
• 2:26
  Because once we understand how we got here and what the real history of America actually is, we can remember where we came from. We can really learn from the past, and we can make real change for a better future. Now, before we start, please make sure you hit that like button. It helps a lot with the algorithms on whatever platform you're tuning in from. It also just helps to get this important information out to more people.
• 2:47
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• 3:07
  Apple really prioritizes podcasts with those reviews. So if you like the show, leave a review. It helps me to reach more people. Alright. So let's go ahead and get started with my guest today, John Hamer.
• 3:18
  Mister John Hamer, it's such an honor to have you on the show, and I just really thank you for giving us your time today.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It's good to be here, Seth. It's my pleasure.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you. So you are a prolific author. I've got just one of your books here, which is almost as thick as my skull. And, so this is called This is The Falsification of History. I've got The Falsification of Science up in the library as well.
• 3:47
  And I've only just I'm not gonna try to pretend I've read the whole thing. I've, you know, page through it, read little sections of it. But I wanna start I'm just gonna read a a little bit off the back of your book, because I think it really sets the tone for the discussion, and and you don't really hold anything back in describing what this book is about. So, I'm just gonna read this quickly because I think it'll help us. It says, We've all been deceived on a monumental scale by a tiny clique of people who by their own birthright and bloodlines absolutely believe that they have the divine right to rule over us by whatever method best suits their purposes.
• 4:23
  In order to achieve this, they have lied, deceived, murdered, and even committed genocide down the millennia in an attempt to bring their ultimate goal to fruition. What is this goal? It is nothing less than the reduction of the human population of the earth to around 5% of the current figure and the total subjugation of the rest of the human race remaining that is not part of their brotherhood. They will attempt to facilitate this through the use of genocides via poisonous additives in the food we eat, jabs, epidemics, the introduction of genetically modified animals and plants into the food chain, wars, and other abomination abominations. Those remaining will be artificially controlled by such methods as pharmaceutical drugs, vaccinations, microchipping, mind control, transhumanism, and twenty four seven distractions such as nonstop sports, entertainments, and the invasive celebrity culture that attempts to pervade our whole lives.
• 5:16
  And so, like, I think that kinda summarizes a lot of your your work, but, I guess we'll start just with this book and this discussion. This is the falsification of history. So, what is this book that I'm holding right here?
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: What is it? It is a kind of a I would say in a very small nutshell, it's a kind of a summation of exactly what's going on in the world today. By the way, the book was written fifteen years ago, so it's not entirely up to date with a lot of the latest developments on things, but it's a summation of what's happening today and based on the history. Because obviously history is significant in that it actually leads the road to the future, if you like. So looking at historical events, you can trace a path that tells us exactly how we've got to the position that we're in today, which is, as we all know, not a very nice position.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And actually, I think it was the, you know, pull up a quote here, which I think is, quite important for us. Right? This is, Orwell, He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past, from '19 '80 I think that that summarized it summarized it very well.
• 6:40
  And I think that it's it's interesting, the the process of of kind of peeling the onion of lies. And I think that for a lot of people, maybe it was just COVID that they realized in COVID, hey, there's a there's some sort of grand conspiracy. Maybe the pharmaceutical industry isn't what I thought it was. Maybe my doctor isn't who I thought he was. Maybe the government isn't what I thought it was.
• 7:07
  And so these people are they're starting to see the cracks in the reality that's been created around us. You know, going back to 2016, a lot of people were introduced to the idea of fake news and realizing that, oh, maybe our news is actually fake or, I guess, in more insidious, more of a propaganda arm of some sort of centralized government. And so I think that people will it's like they they kind of peel the onion, and they might take off the first three of 30 layers and think that they've now discovered the truth, but it's almost like what I've kinda gone through is, okay, if they're lying about these five things, then why wouldn't they be lying about our history, about the textbooks, about the science, about so much more? And it's like, they can take something that happened ten years ago and completely alter the perception of what actually happened, what about something a hundred years ago or five hundred or a thousand years ago? And so anyway, I'll let you kind of share your thoughts on that, and then we'll kind of dive into some details.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually, think it's worth pointing out that you mentioned COVID there. Think COVID was very much a catalyst to waking a lot of people up. I've been doing public speaking for around fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years now on the topics that are in the book plus others, And I really noticed a massive change after COVID. A lot of people, I don't like this phrase, but woke up, became aware of what is really happening in the world.
• 8:39
  I think COVID was such a ridiculous situation that people started to question it, and then they started looking into other things and realised that reality, the reality that we purported to live in, is not at all what it seems to be. And so, yeah, I think COVID was a very important step. But speaking generally about conspiracies, again, they're conspiracy facts, not conspiracy theories, okay, that I deal with. Speaking generally about those, they're all connected, and I think you kind of just alluded to that in your little bit just then. I use this analogy a lot.
• 9:21
  I say to people, imagine reality as a I don't know, pick a number out the air, a massive number, a 1,000,000,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. Every little piece of that puzzle is connected in some way. The more pieces you put into place, the clearer the picture becomes, and then that then enables you to put more and more pictures into place. That's how I kind of explain it to newbies, to the ideas. So yeah, everything's connected.
• 9:53
  The whole world, the whole reality that we believe we live in is completely different to the one that actually exists.
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think that it's we get into things like normalcy bias or cognitive dissonance. It's you know, psychologically, it's difficult for a lot of people to start to kind of unwind or kind of pull the thread of of the of the wool sweater, right, that represents the reality that we know. Because there's a lot of security and safety in knowing how the world works. And that's why I think a lot of people, they resist this because if that one thing ends up being a lie it's almost like say you grow up and you're 20 years old, and your your mom comes to you and she she says, you know, John, your father's not really your father.
• 10:47
  Right? It's like, oh, my goodness. Like, I believe this my whole life. But then imagine if she says, and I'm not your mother, and your sister's actually not your sister, and we don't even live in America. We live on a colony in Mars.
• 11:00
  Right? It's like all of a sudden, your your your entire world is like, what's real anymore? And that's that's a really difficult process for people. And I think that it's it's it's it's it's a certain few people that now I think a lot more that are able to take and say, okay, you know what? I just want the truth no matter how scary it is, and they keep digging and digging.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's so true, and it's a great analogy. But there are people who I think no matter what you do or say or no matter what evidence you present, they still don't get it. They still won't accept that they've been lied to all their lives. And I used to beat my head against a wall trying to get through to those kinds of people, but now I just don't do that anymore because I think some people are not ready and maybe never will be ready, but eventually I think the majority of people will come to understand.
• 11:53
  It might not be in my lifetime, but I think the majority eventually will come to understand exactly what's going on. And once that happens, these people, these evil monsters who are behind all these deceptions, they'll be finished because all it will take is a is a mass awakening. And and we we slowly get in there. But once that tipping point arrives, which is called the hundredth monkey syndrome, for those who are not aware of that, Once that arrives, I, you know, the game's over, we've won.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: I also, I agree. I couldn't agree more. And I think that there's a lot of people that are looking, okay, how can we bring down the system, right? How can we overthrow this? How can we escape these chains of tyranny and everything?
• 12:37
  But I actually think that, like, what you mentioned is the single thing. It's when enough people see through it. That's because I think that's the only thing that can happen, because there's billions and billions of us, and there's a very small group of them. And their control comes from being able to keep all of us within this really, you know, constructed reality. And so Yeah.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, please go ahead.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: No. I was just gonna say the only the only way that a few thousand people, and there are only a few thousand of them, can control billions of us is by creating this fake reality. And this and this is what it's all about because people ask me that question as well. They say, well, why all the deceptions? What's the point of it?
• 13:19
  Why don't they just tell us the truth? Well, the reason they don't tell us the truth is because they need to keep us under their thumbs. They need to keep us suppressed and deny us the knowledge of what is really going on because if we knew what was really going on, then again, there'd be mass revolutions, you know, because people just would not tolerate it. So that's the not the only way, but it's one of the main ways that they control us. The other is through fear, of course.
• 13:48
  They're constantly pumping fear at us through the mainstream and, you know, every possible avenue because fearful people are easier to control, and that's what it's all about. The few controlling the many.
• 14:03
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• 15:20
  So again, that's goldwithseth.com. So looking back at history, right, because you know, book is, was it, you know, eight, seven hundred, you know, over seven fifty pages or so, right? Yeah. Which in what would you say, if you had to look look through this, what are some of the biggest lies about our history that that you think are or some of the the the some of the big ones that even people that have kind of, you know, taken the red pill, which I I don't like that analogy either because we're we're using some sort of Hollywood construct to describe these things. But Exactly.
• 15:59
  So what what would you say there are some of the some of the biggest lies about our history that you've discovered?
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: So beginning with the actual origins of the human race, I think evolution is a very, very insidious lie. You know, I believe I set out to actually prove that evolution was real and ended up realizing that it was all absolute nonsensical, illogical garbage, basically. So I think that is a key thing. If we realize that we are the result of a creator, this is my opinion, by the way, I don't expect everybody out there to either believe me or accept my view, but I strongly believe that we were created. I'm not a religious person.
• 16:51
  Okay? That may offend some people out there. I don't know. But I'm not a religious person, but I'm a very spiritual person. I believe in in some kind of divine intelligence.
• 17:02
  But I'm not a Christian, not a Muslim, not Jewish. You know, I it's just my view. But to me, the only logical explanation for the reason that we're here is intelligent design. And I think, you know, there's a lot of scientists that actually believe that too. But that is a big one.
• 17:22
  Also, you know, that leads on to kind of other things as well, such as, you know, is the universe really what they tell us? Okay, I don't specifically cover that in The Falsification of History because that was written fifteen years ago and my views have changed over the years. But, you know, I also again, this might alienate some people, but I actually looked at Flat Earth to try and disprove it. I just thought this cannot be true. This cannot be true.
• 17:52
  And I ended up finding absolutely lots and lots of evidence for the fact that the earth is actually flat and, you know, controversial, absolutely, but nevertheless it ties in, it fits in with the evolutionary paradigm because the reason that they want us to believe that we evolved from pond life, which is what evolution is all about, is because and and that we live in this massive universe with billions and billions of stars, billions and billions of planets, and billions and billions of other alien life forms. The reason he wants to believe that is because it denies the existence of the creator. It turns us into tiny little specks of cosmic nothingness, stardust, if you will, that are just the product of a random chance occurrence. And I don't believe that. I believe there is a purpose for human life.
• 18:46
  And, you know, so that's that's okay. We got out of the way now. That's the biggie. Okay. But if you're talking about individual incidents, you know, things like the more recent ones are more pertinent and more fresh in people's minds, such as the death of Princess Diana, which is what set me down this road.
• 19:04
  So that was 1997, twenty nine years ago. And that that was a big catalyst for me. Of course, 09/11/1977 in London. And, you know, almost the entire history of the twenty first century, you know, we're quarter away through it now, but almost the entire history of the twenty first century has been one of absolute horror, if you like, culminating in the COVID. I call it the free trial of the new world order, which it really was, culminating in that.
• 19:42
  And I'm guessing like we've gone four years now since that kind of ended. But I'm guessing that there'll be something coming down the pipeline very soon as well because, you know, bearing in mind, there's something called Agenda 2030. They ain't gonna rest until they've really tried their best to subjugate us. Having said that, I'm a very optimistic person. I absolutely believe that we will win through in the end.
• 20:07
  And as I said before, it might not be in my lifetime, but I absolutely believe that the human race will survive and thrive at some point in time. But unfortunately, we've got to go through this process of understanding exactly what they're doing to us and why. Yeah, I mean, there are lots of other individual events as well. World War I and World War II, again, I was speaking about that last night in a place about three hours from where I live. Very, very significant, and this is another example of history creating the present.
• 20:46
  You know, World War I and World War II were highly significant, lots and lots of stuff about that that actually has gone to kind of create the reality that we live in today.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I've I've I've gone down a lot of these rabbit holes, and think probably come to similar conclusions that that you have. And one thing I'll I'll just mention about flat earth, because I I've I've looked into it extensively. I've read books on it. I did a three hour long interview with, David Weiss, who's who's kind of one of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the Oh, yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Kind of key people talking about it. And Absolutely. And, you know, I think that I can't say that I've arrived at a place where I would say I'm a flat earther. Right?
• 21:24
  But I've arrived at a place where I'd say that a lot of the things about the current world and the shape and the size just don't make sense. Right? It doesn't mean that it proves something else. I think it just proves that they're lying to us about the world. Now, whether it means that we're in a firmament with an ice wall, whether it means that the world's much larger or smaller, I'm not sure.
• 21:47
  Right? But you can see that's that's one of the conclusions I drew is that they're lying to us about this. But it's also for people that are watching this, and they're it's there's such a stigma around it that people, even people that are really, really wide awake and aware of a lot of things will say, Oh, flat earth. And it's like, well, you know, kinda using some deductive logic here. For me, it's or deductive reasoning.
• 22:11
  It's like, the same people teaching you evolution are teaching you that this is what the earth is. And they're the same people that are teaching you this is what modern medicine is and the miracle of modern medicine. And so it's almost like if you've got say, you say go back to the analogy of your father. Right? No.
• 22:28
  No. Accusing or say someone's father. Right? Or say your friend. Yeah.
• 22:31
  If that friend lies to you about nine things, but there's one thing that that you just take as the absolute, like, as God's word. Right? Yeah. It's just think these are the, you know, these are things that and I try to do these exercises with my own self to say, Okay, am I believing this because I've actually looked into it and questioned everything, or do I still have some part of me that is has been trained and programmed to reject this idea as soon as I hear it? And now I'm into a place where if if I sense that, I run straight towards that idea with an open mind, and that's how I kinda do my research.
• 23:06
  I think that's just one of those areas where, a lot of people look at that and and just say, well, the absolute bollocks, you a what a wacko.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I I come across this all the time. As as I said, I I do stand up talks around the country, and lots and lots of truthers, people who believe they've got massively open minds cannot cannot accept there's a possibility that there's a flat you know, that the earth is flat.
• 23:32
  Unfortunately, there's no categoric proof, because how can you prove it? It's not possible to prove it. And likewise, it's not possible to prove that it's a globe, because if they tell us that this is a picture of Earth from space, well, just forget that because that is utter, utter garbage. There are no genuine pictures of Earth from space at all. They're all CGI'd or faked in some way.
• 23:57
  So, yeah, I mean, the point is it's very difficult to prove it either way. But the reason I believe in it is because it fits in with the rest of my belief, with the rest of the big jigsaw puzzle, if you like. It just fits. There's a piece called flat earth that fits slap bang where it's meant to fit. And yeah.
• 24:17
  So
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would also say that it if you're piecing all this together and you have your your puzzle piece, that particular piece, all the shapes fit a lot closer than the other narrative. And even getting into Antarctica and and the which that's a whole other, you know, the the whole idea of the ice wall and how, you know, if you're in a private plane and you start even approaching Antarctica or any one of the kind of ice walls of Antarctica, there's military jets stopping you. It's like there's something there's there's there's they're hiding something there for a reason. And then you get into the Yeah.
• 24:52
  Why is the logo of the United Nations the Flat Earth map? It's just like you start looking at these things, and it's like, okay. Let's just say that you think that Flat Earth is a completely wild conspiracy. Why does the UN's logo why and literally, the the UN logo is literally the Flat Earth map. Actually, I'll I'll pull up real quick because it it's just it's wild.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And, Seth, and the WHO logo as well is also the Flat Earth map, the World Health Organization.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yes. So this is, here. I'll I'll I'll find a good picture of this. Yeah. So this is, yeah, this is the UN logo.
• 25:33
  Mhmm. And it looks like they what they've done is they've just maybe they've kind of flattened the earth out to it's like you you you would never see the earth represented like this. No. And it's almost as if this you know, the kind of the the garland around it is the ice wall. I mean, it's just out of you you start looking at these things, and you start you start asking these questions, and there's just a lot of a lot of things that just don't make sense.
• 25:59
  Yeah. It's it's just it's it's it's a wild topic.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, thing the thing is that these people, they love to hide things in plain sight. They love to tell us what they're doing because they absolutely believe in karma, and they believe that that they would have a a karmic imbalance if they didn't actually tell us what they are doing. So things like the UN logo, things like the WHO logo, which is almost identical, they tell me that either they it's a double bluff or they are telling us what exactly is going on. And I don't know if you're aware of this as well. Yeah.
• 26:40
  There you go. I love the serpent, don't you? That's great. You know, that's supposed to be health.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like it's it's just such in plain sight. How is it that again, that's the thing with this is that once you see it, it's like it's like the move the John Carpenter movie, They Live. You have the glasses, and you put the glasses on and you see everything for what it is, is how is it that a serpent, which biblically represents the origin of Satan himself taking over and corrupting mankind, with the circuit serpent wrapped around a tree, how is it that we've been convinced that a serpent wrapped around a staff is the symbol of health?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's good, isn't it? And also, don't know if you're aware of this this set, some of the viewers, listeners may be aware of it or not, but in the lobby of the UN Building in New York City, there is a map that looks just like the Flat Earth map, but it sits in the very lower as I'm looking at the screen now with mine, it sits in the lower right hand corner, and around it are hundreds of other continents, well, dozens of other continents and dozens of other oceans. So the earth, according to that map, is a much, much bigger place than they're telling us. So, you know, that comes back to Antarctica is the reason that they will shoot you out the sky if you try and encroach because they don't want us to know that the Earth is not a globe.
• 28:12
  Okay? And one way to find out whether it would be or not would be to try to fly over the South Pole. They won't let you do that. They won't actually let you fly over the North Pole either, funnily enough, but that's another topic altogether really. But yeah, I believe that the reason that we can't go to Antarctica even people say to me, oh, that's nonsense, John.
• 28:31
  I know someone who's been on an Antarctic cruise. Well, I'm sorry. No, you don't. You only know someone who's been somewhere where they've told you is Antarctica, but it's actually the Antarctic Peninsula, which is a little promontory sticking out from Antarctica. But even then, you can only kind of just you can't go any further inland than maybe a couple of 100 yards.
• 28:58
  You know, it's very strictly controlled. Apparently, a post office there where you can get postcards stamped to brag to your friends that you've been to Antarctica, but you're not really going to Antarctica. And it's and it's under very controlled conditions. You certainly couldn't go there as a private party.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And actually, sorry. Here's the this is it right here. Right?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It's similar to that, but it's not exactly that. No. Right. Okay. So I've
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: seen that one before.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've seen a different version of it, actually. But yeah. Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Which, I mean, maybe it kind of mirrors this idea. Right? Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Kind of. It's kind of like that, but it it it's a different one that I've seen. But, yes, the point being, it it it's a similar principle anyway. The point being that there are more lands beyond what they're telling us, you know, and and, you know, going off on a completely wild tangent, maybe that's where aliens come from. You know, we don't know, do we?
• 29:58
  I mean, I I certainly don't believe in outer space in the in the format that they tell us. And so, yeah, I don't believe that I think there's a lot of evidence to say that aliens may exist, and I'm not convinced, but there is some evidence that might point that way. But if they do, I don't think they come from outer space. I think they come from lands that they're trying to keep from us. Throw that one in there.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. It's like a and so I I guess kind of bringing it up into kind of from the much broader picture into, kind of modern day or the past couple hundred years, I knew because so you're across a pond, you're in The UK, and Yeah. You know, I've been, you know, kind of more privately doing more and more research into America and The United States, and looking into what actually happened when America supposedly gained its independence, and how we became this, this, you know, colony that became free of the British crown. But a lot of the information that I'm discovering, especially if you start getting into the financial aspect of it and those birth certificates, and it's, it's, you're getting into some kind of strange stuff there, but a lot of the information I'm discovering, it points to it points to a picture, paints a picture, that The United States is still, in many ways, a subject of the British crown.
• 31:28
  I know this is something you've you've done some deep information on. So for people that had this idea that, oh, America has landed the free home of the brave, we we kicked out the tyranny, and we're this completely free country, what through your research, what's your understanding of that?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, obviously, states became well, they declared independence in 1776, as everyone knows. It's the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this year. Great stuff. So but what happened was in in the early part of the nineteenth century, America had two attempts at producing a central bank.
• 32:07
  Okay. Both of them failed because of public dissatisfaction because even politicians were against it because they knew what would happen. Okay. They knew that it would destroy their own personal fortunes because it does, doesn't it? I mean, we understand how the money system works, I guess most of us, but anyway, that's kind of by the by.
• 32:25
  But what happened was because of the failure of those central banks, the two central banks, America was going through The United States Of America, that is was going through a very difficult financial period, is it ever? I mean, you know, but specifically in 1871, which is ninety five years after the Declaration of Independence, America went bankrupt, physically bankrupt. So apparently, again, this is not me making this stuff up. This is fully documented, and there are lots of different sources for this information besides my own, so it's not just me saying this, just to clear that point up. And it went cap in hand back to England and said, you know, can you help us out?
• 33:11
  And they said, yeah, not a problem. Here are the conditions. So what and again, I won't go into too many details because a, I can't remember them all, and b, it would take too long. But this is just a very small synopsis. They said, yes, sure, but here are the conditions.
• 33:29
  You have to become subsumed back into the under the control of The United Kingdom. And that is exactly what happened. And they rewrote the constitution at that point, which again, a lot of people don't know that, and the constitution was written in all capital letters, and the significance of that is that it's talking about fake realities. So again, that's something that is a massive subject, you kind of alluded to it before. But yeah, so in 1871, there was constitution written, which is never ever publicized, and people don't know that it exists.
• 34:07
  But that constitution firmly put The US back under the surreptitious control of The UK. Now a lot of people in The UK actually think it's the opposite way around. They they regard lot of people think that we're kind of the fifty first state in in effect, and that America controls us. But actually but that's typical. It's it's inversion, isn't it?
• 34:30
  And it's satanic inversion. And you just believe the opposite of what is true, and this is the case. So for all you American people out there, I'm sorry to say, I'm not proud of it. I don't care. I'm not a political person, but yeah, I'm I'm afraid you are totally under the control of the city of London, the the square mile city of London, which is the the world financial capital.
• 34:53
  It's got the headquarters of something like 370 world banks in that square mile of the city. And by the city of London, by the way, don't mean London itself. There is an area within London called the city, which is like one square mile and it's a financial district. All the big banks are there, all major insurance companies, the media, everything is concentrated there. And it is in fact a state within a state very much like Washington DC.
• 35:24
  Washington DC is the world military headquarters. The city of London is the world financial headquarters. If you know, it has its own laws, which is separate from The UK laws. It has its own police force. It has its own mayor, which is distinct from the mayor of London.
• 35:43
  And believe it or not, the monarch, the king now of England, when he enters the city on formal business, he has to bow to the lord mayor of London. It's it's a very, very strange situation. And within the houses of parliament, which is the the government the central government, if you like, in The UK, there is a there is a a a formal position there called the Remembrancer. I'm not sure why it's called the Remembrancer, but he is a representative of the city of London, and he can veto anything. Absolutely anything that tries to get passed through parliament, he's got the power of veto.
• 36:22
  So what does that tell you about our democracy?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And, actually, here here you go. This is, I just did a quick search for
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: The remembrance, sir. And even, gosh, even getting into the checkered, like, the Masonic checkers. I mean, it's it's just all it's all just hidden in plain sight. You look at this, it's just very, very strange. Mean, like, what a weird, picture.
• 36:51
  And so, so you mentioned, so the act of 1871, right? So the District Of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, where, I'll read this, this is obviously, this is Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt, but says, the district did, the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 is an act of Congress that repealed the individual charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown and established a new territorial government for the whole District Of Columbia. Though Congress repealed the territorial government in 07/1874, the legislation was the first to create a single municipal government for the federal district. And so go ahead.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: That kind of glosses over it a little, I think. You know, it's kind of telling the truth, but not the whole truth.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Of course. Yes. So so give us give us more of this truth.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't remember all the details, Seth, but it's in my books. But it's a long time since I wrote it. But all I know is that the constitution was totally rewritten in 1871 to reflect the fact that The United States had been subsumed back under the control of United Kingdom, and that still holds good today. But even when independence was declared and the War of Independence was fought, there are some people, I don't know whether this is the truth or not, but there are some researchers that say Britain deliberately lost that war.
• 38:24
  I can't remember the reasons why. I'm just kind of going back in my memory banks here. And even though on paper The United States was independent, there was much of it that was still under the control of Inns of Court in the City Of London, which are the legal headquarters of the world, in effect. So, in fact, and King George, who was the king, King George III, who was the king at the time of the Declaration of Independence, he actually maintained financial interest, and they owned lots and lots of land in The States, and he wasn't gonna relinquish that. So that remained under the total control of the British crown.
• 39:13
  So, yeah, I mean, there's lots lots more to it than that. And it is fascinating, and I would urge anyone to to look into it if you're interested in that kind of thing, because it is interesting.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And so you mentioned the District of Columbia as being the military kind of headquarters, the city of London as being the financial. And then the vat the now the Vatican, right, is also in its same way that the the Yeah. Vatican is the kind of more the religious headquarters. And so and oddly, all three of those regions have a giant obelisk, which is just an interesting thing. Right?
• 39:51
  Again, going into why does this remembrance or have the Masonic checkers behind it? Why is the, you know, the UN map or the logo and the map and, you know, WHO, why these things have the flat earth maps on them? There's all these things that just you start piecing them together. It's like, that's kind of strange when you put it together. And so when you're looking at those three main, I guess, cities, right, city of London, DC, and the Vatican, is that would you say that in a sense that those basically represent, like, these three kinda key control points on the chessboard that are then used by sort of elite bloodline group that is using these three things to, control the world, while painting the picture that we have all these sovereign nations and all these freedoms, yet, actually, the whole world is I mean, would you say it's a stretch to say that we're already living under a one world government from that perspective?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Probably not. Actually, it's not it's not that much of a stretch. I mean, I I don't think it's it's it's as far it's gone as far as they want it to. I think they're gonna take it much further if they get the chance to do it, and they're working towards that, you know, slowly, slowly, slowly. But yeah, I mean, it's a reasonable thing to say.
• 41:11
  They have this incredibly clever system, which they call democracy, which absolutely controls us in such a surreptitious way and makes us, I don't know but makes most of the people believe that they have a say in their government, they have a say in their future. They don't. I think, you know, a lot of people realise now that elections are just, you know, they're not elections, they're selections. And that we're given the choice between, if you like, hanging death by hanging and death by drowning. Vote for him or vote for him.
• 41:53
  You know, whichever you vote for, the outcome will be more or less the same, give or take. So, yeah, democracy is a very plotter system, but it was put there to prevent mass uprisings because at one time, you know, especially in Europe, obviously, not The States, because that didn't come into being until much later, but, you know, throughout the medieval period in Europe, it was ruled by violence. You know, it was kings who absolutely would not tolerate any dissent, and if anybody rebelled, they would put them down. But they realized after a while, hang on a minute. Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we came up with a system whereby the people think they've got a choice or a say in their future, and that will kind of quell the rebellions.
• 42:44
  And that that's put very simply, but I think you get what I'm saying. And and so, yeah, that's that's exactly what they did. So they kind of the kings at the time actually agreed to form things called, like, parliament and and let them pretend that they actually were controlling it, whereby still the people who sit up here over governments and pull the strings that are really controlling it. But most people don't realise that. They think that they're by voting for Donald Trump.
• 43:13
  They think that that that's, you know, he's the guy to save us or or, you know, Joe Biden, he's the guy to save us. You know, it's absolute nonsense. You know, they are just puppets put there to give us the impression that we're free.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And it's such an important point because I think there's a lot of people and just speaking to, you know, life here in America, there's a lot of people, probably most people by now, that will say, gosh, the system's broken. It just doesn't work anymore. You know, my vote doesn't really matter. Whatever and think that Donald Trump has really proven this. I think there's a lot of this a lot of idea and belief that he was an outsider.
• 43:55
  He was gonna come in and upend the system. He wasn't one of them. And I myself believed that. I thought that, okay, look, he's coming in. He's not gonna be one of the controlled people.
• 44:04
  He's he's calling out the fake media. He's, you know, doing all these things. But then you as you kind of watch and see and see, okay, what are the fruits of of his labor? You see, okay, operation warp speed, massive data centers, you know, you know, keeping all the Chinese immigrants. There's a whole laundry list of things, and you realize Yeah.
• 44:21
  You know, you know, continued wars in The Middle East. And, you know, it's this process of being, oh, okay. Yeah. He he is, in many ways, whether it's be through his own will or whether through blackmail or whatever, it doesn't really matter. In many ways, he is just part of that system.
• 44:38
  And we're still at a place where our our debt is going through the roof, our freedom is being lost, our dollars being devalued, the surveillance state is growing at a rapid pace around us. Our jobs are just disappearing, and you see the same things happening. Yeah. And and but I think that for a lot of people, they look at it and think, gosh, the political system, you know, it's very corrupt, or it's broken. And I I would say, you know, can continue with what you had said?
• 45:04
  I think it's working exactly how it was intended to work. It's working as a way, it's, it's, you know, I've got a two year old and a five year old, right? And my two year old, you know, strong willed little girl. Right? But sometimes, you know, I'll give her a task that I know is just gonna distract her.
• 45:20
  I know she's not gonna accomplish and and achieve what she wants out of it, but she'll get bogged down in the details of it. And she'll be happy, and it'll keep her distracted. I think in a lot of ways, that's what the modern government's governance is. It's give them something that so the people think if they try really hard and get out and vote and they run for office, they think that they can use this system to change things, but the system itself was created as a tool of the imprisonment. Right?
• 45:52
  And that's a that's a hard one to wrap your head around.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It it is, but it's absolutely true, and that was a great analogy. But, yes, I would say to anyone out there, democracy. Don't believe in democracy. When you think about it well, what was that famous quote? Who was it that said it?
• 46:08
  Was it? And it goes something like, democracy is is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Yeah. And then the the repost to that is freedom is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, I think that this was, I think Benjamin Franklin is who they it says often attributed to to Franklin. It says, democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed land contesting the vote. Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I just got the lunch and the dinner bit wrong. Sorry.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: It's very true. I mean, when you think about it, if you think about it another way, let's just say in a democracy, one people vote 5,100 people voting 51 of them vote that the only food that should be available to everyone is genetically modified food. That means that the other 49 who are against that still have to obey by that particular maxim. So it's not really that equitable, is it, when you think about it that way?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, the other thing too is that what you realize is that if you have 50 on one side and 50 on the other side, only one person needs to be bought off and controlled. Right? To influence the outcome for 49% of the people just get one person to come in and throw things off balance. Ladies and gentlemen, our world is being poisoned. Every day, we're exposed to more chemicals sprayed into our skies, leaching into our food, and polluting our air and water.
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• 49:30
  Right? You know, you'd mentioned before that that you are seeing a lot of people really starting to wake up to this. And so what do you say, though, to people who say, you know, well, if we don't vote so for instance, here in The US, voting is such a big thing. Right? It's it's it's massive, especially once Trump came on the scene.
• 49:51
  And people will say, gosh, if we lose the midterms, then the Democrats are gonna get control. And maybe if they're that, you know, they're both bad, but this one's more bad than this one.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Mean Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Which, I mean, I don't disagree with that in a lot of ways. Right? Because, you know, it's like, I'd rather have Trump or Harris in office. I I would rather have Trump in office. But, I guess, how yeah.
• 50:17
  How do you how do you process all that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and again, this is kind of how it works, isn't it? It's they present you with two alternatives, neither which are very good, but people kind of shrug their shoulders and say, yeah, well, I'll vote for him because he's he's, you know, out the two. He's not as bad as the the other one. Yeah. And again, it's just part of the same the same system, isn't it?
• 50:43
  It's just, you know, and people will just kind of shrug their shoulders and go, yeah, well, I may as well vote for this guy. I don't really agree with him, but he's, I don't want him in. He's terrible. And so, you know, people are kind of sucked into the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, which can't be right, can it? I mean, it just cannot be right.
• 51:08
  Yeah. I have this rather glib saying that I say to people, and I say, I never vote because the government always gets in.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: That's true. And so Yeah. You're trying to understand I'm kind of jumping around a little bit because I just there's I could have I have a million questions I could ask you, but, you're trying to understand, okay, looking at this -DAVID: concept of they, or the elites, or, the people in Yeah. I know you've done a lot of research into this, and even in your book, you know, just looking through the table of contents, right, you go into, you go into a lot of this looking at, the secret societies, Knights Templar, the Freemasons, Bilderberg, you know, the roundtable, CFR trial trial commission, etcetera. And so, when you're looking at getting to the the the kind of top of this power structure, you know, a lot of people will, you know, they come to the conclusion, oh, it's just the Rothschilds, right?
• 52:14
  They're this, you know, kind of multi generational banking dynasty that's kind of slowly taking control over the Bank of England, over England, therefore, over the crown, etcetera. You also have things like the black nobility, you've got, you know, other bloodlines that are much more hidden, the Merovingians, you have these other families that are much more kind of behind the scenes. And so, through your research, what would you say if you had to start to paint a picture of this very small group that has so much power and control and wealth? Who is that group, and how long has that group had the control they have over the world?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, I'll start with the the latter part of that question, in my view, millennia. These are the same bloodlines that are originated maybe even beyond that, but as far as we know in Babylon, you know, 3,000, 5,000 BC. So over the last five, seven thousand years, it's the same bloodlines. They're all related to the original kind of instigators of this way of life, this way of controlling humanity.
• 53:19
  So, you know, that's that part of the question answered. But I don't think that anybody apart from an insider knows exactly who is in ultimate control. It's it's a it's a mass. It's you mentioned some of the factions. It's a it's a it's a whole mishmash of of different factions who, by the way, they don't always agree.
• 53:44
  They do there is a lot of infighting. And I and I kind of you know, met met the analogy of that with, a a kind of a gang of bank robbers who are arguing after the fact as to how they divide the spoils. So, you know, there there are there are, you know, contests for supremacy within that. But by and large, they do agree on one thing, and that is that we are surplus to requirements. We're becoming slowly surplus to requirements, but as to exactly who.
• 54:21
  And this is why they're trying to get rid of 95% of the human race, they don't need us anymore. You know, they don't need us to run the machines and do the paperwork, as George Carlin famously said, because of, you know, technology. Technology is replacing us, and that's what they want because we're just a troublesome bunch that they'd rather not have. You know, we're just there at the moment to continue to run the systems that still need human intervention, but their aim is for a totally technological society without us, and that's why they want to get rid of 95% of us eventually. So, yeah, I've forgotten where I was going with that, but anyway.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And so, okay, and so, now looking at, looking at, again, we talked about these three centers of control, right? You know, DC, City Of London, and Vatican. Now, I think one of the anomalies with this that I see is when you start to get into more Asia, specifically China, Russia, you know, Eastern Europe. And though I know that, you know, if you trace back the origins of of communism over, you know, in in Mao, you know, Mao goes back to a lot of the European banking families as the Yale and China program. You can see that there's a lot of that kinda offshoot.
• 55:41
  You had Rockefeller. I think it was Rockefeller publishing, an op ed, I think, 1973 in the New York Times, you know, praising, you know, the, you know, the the communism in China. So you can see it has its ties there, but I think it's grown into something much more bigger and more powerful and perhaps less controlled by the same systems that are controlling things more in the And I've also talked to a lot of people and asked these questions, and and what they've kind of have shared their understanding is that there was the kind of the western centric vision of a new world order, and then there's the eastern centric vision of a new world order, and that there's some sort of transition. They're trying to transition that power center over to Asia, over to China.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: But how do you see all of that fitting together?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a difficult one. I mean, I absolutely agree. Yeah. There is much more of an Asian influence now on on geopolitics than there ever was and and it and it's becoming that influence is becoming greater by the almost by the day.
• 56:42
  You know there's especially China. China is becoming very very influential in world affairs. I I'll I'll confess I do not understand the dynamics behind that or what the what the ultimate goal of that is. I I I really don't know. I have tried to look in Really, there's not enough information for that for me to to form an opinion.
• 57:05
  So, yeah, it's definitely happening, Seth, but it it's it how and why, especially why it's happening, I couldn't really say it, to be fair.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: And so, I guess we're almost we're coming up on an hour so quickly. But, you know, in looking at all of this, and you're someone that has again, you've written I'll pull up your website, which I'll make sure that your website is also Your links are in the, description to the show, your Twitter handle, your website. It's just the falsificationofhistory.co.uk. And you've written I mean, you you've written a library of books, on these issues, not just history, but science. Yeah.
• 57:49
  You know, so much more. And so when when someone is starting down this path, right, we talked about it earlier, right, the the process of realizing that so much of what we believe to be real is actually just a lie, You're someone that's obviously gone further down that path than most people ever will in in an entire lifetime. But if you could be their tour guide into this scary haunted house of reality, what would you do to walk them through it? How would you help someone that's struggling with the process of all of this information?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think first first of all, they need to be a willing participant. You you can lead a horse to water, you definitely can't make it drink, as the old saying goes. So as long as they were a willing participant and willing to be open minded and listen and not, you know, I'm not saying accept it blindly, you know, I always say this to people, don't believe me, do your own research as well. It's more difficult to do research these days than it was twenty years ago, but even so, it's not impossible.
• 59:01
  But yeah, I would start at the very basics of the origins of the human race, as my book, The Falsification of History does. I have changed my mind on some of that stuff actually. Some of it I've, you know, I think I was a bit naive in some ways, but it was fifteen years ago and I think if you're, you know, if you're open minded enough, you will change your mind and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I digress. So yeah, I I think start at the very beginning, the origins of humanity, and just work through it in an open mind.
• 59:36
  You do it, read as much as you can. I don't mean read mainstream creative stuff. I mean read, you know, books from people like myself. There's lots and lots of other authors, you know, of a similar to myself. Just read, read and read.
• 59:53
  That's exactly what I did when I first became aware that something was wrong with the world. As I said, it was the death of Princess Diana that made me start to question things. I just read avidly. I mean, I I every bit of information I could find, I was going to reference libraries, you know, looking at old history books, and then thinking, hang on a minute, in that book, which is 300 years old, it's saying something completely different to what they're telling us happened at that point in time. So, yeah, it's just a, it's just a, it's a, it's a, it's a scary journey as you say.
• 1:00:28
  But, you know, just start at the beginning and read and read and read would be my my
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, of the age old sayings, right? The the truth will set you free. And and that's it. And also, as as we discussed, you know, I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: But first, it will piss you right off.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: That's true. And scare you, right?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's true. And I guess, you know, I think that one thing that I try to remember is just that you'll never get to a place where you know everything. You'll never get to a place where you understand exactly. And I think that I try to watch that within myself.
• 1:01:07
  If I ever find that I become too absolute in any one thing, obviously, you know, my faith is one thing, and that's different, right? But I would say that with a lot of this information, I just try to always keep myself humble and just think that be careful to kind of pay attention to my mind, pay attention to those areas where I quickly will say, oh, that's not right, or that's a weird conspiracy, or how could you even go there? I try to catch those things. Find that oftentimes, that's where, those are the areas where I still have blinders. It's not me saying that, it's some sort of program that was put into me that's rejecting this new bit of information.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It it is quite difficult to be totally open minded because we have so many we have so much propaganda thrust upon us that, you know, it's very difficult to shake that off. And, you know, Flat Earth were mentioned earlier in the piece. That is a that is a typical one, isn't it?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: It is. It's a good example. Even as an objective study of how these mechanisms work, it's a great example. So, John, I'll pull your website up again. I'll make it again, make sure the link is in the description.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, it's thefalsificationofhistory.co.uk. And I would recommend people, checking out your books. There's just a wealth of information and knowledge in these. Again, this is the one I've got right here in front of me. It's, you know, approaching 800 pages of and it's not it's it's well researched.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, you've got you've got footnotes, you have you put images in of original pieces of information. So, you know, this is it's not just the the ramblings of a madman. This is very, very serious documented history. And so I encourage people, as uncomfortable as it may be, to really try to push themselves because I think that as we discussed, the way to win this is to have more and more people awaken. And that's what I see see is my purpose of the podcast is to try my best to be that tour guide and to say, hey, this isn't quite what we thought it was.
• 1:03:21
  I'm not gonna tell you what it is, but I can tell you where it doesn't make sense. Let's go look at it together.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely. Yeah. Could I just say about the website? Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  Unfortunately, it is possible to buy books off my website by signed copies, but unfortunately only in The UK because everywhere else the postage prices are just absolutely they've become absolutely untenable. And not only that, half the time the books don't even turn up when I try to send them abroad on very odd occasions. But you can get them from your old favorite bookshop, Amazon.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I hate to admit, but I think I bought both of your books just on Amazon.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. They're a necessary evil, unfortunately. Yeah. For we authors. I mean, it's a virtual monopoly.
• 1:04:16
  I know that in The States, there's bans unknowable and stuff like that, but yeah, certainly in The UK, they are a virtual monopoly.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: It's this crane shame, really. But yeah, so as far as I'm concerned, if you want to buy my book off Amazon, that's not a problem because I cannot ship to The US, sadly. I'd love to be able to, but it's just not I've tried in the past and it's just really not worked.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Well, have to mention with customs and everything. And so, yeah, I can imagine buying a book for, you know, $30, and then shipping plus customs, it's, it's $160 is the bill you get. Which is probably close to what it would be. Yeah, I know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. It's just crazy.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Well, John, it was such a pleasure speaking with you. I look forward to doing this again, and maybe we can do kind of, you know, kind of some more pointed discussions where you kind of pick a topic. You know, today was really just the general overview of so many things, but I'd love to go deep on, you know, some various things with you. And, yeah, thank you for giving us your time, and thank you for your life's work. It's very, very important what you've done.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth. It's been my pleasure. It's been great to meet you and, yeah, let's do it again sometime.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds good. Well, you. Take care.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: You too. All the best.