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Don Lemon on ICE and the Latest Epstein File Drop · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrow.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about nuns, teaching sex, said,
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  Speaker 1: my experience with Jerry Duty, whether or not we can
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  Speaker 1: say the word squinty, Groundhog Day, conspiracy theories, the protests
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Don lemon Epstein files, federal judges blocking Trump's agenda,
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  Speaker 1: and all of the questions from your dms, especially when
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  Speaker 1: I stuff like that, like I don't I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how long I'm going to be there, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going to eat, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what's going to go down, but I know I know
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  Speaker 1: an address I need to go to in an hour.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Michael's Brief Recess sticker also has the
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  Speaker 2: lines on the back. Oh yeah, you can't see it
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  Speaker 2: because his is black.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought the lines were there on the.
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  Speaker 2: Thank vindication is mine because i'd not.
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  Speaker 1: Is like am I Melissa thought there are lines on
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  Speaker 1: our logos for our laptops, And I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: just like how it was printed for, like the graphic
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  Speaker 1: designer put them there so that we knew to like
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  Speaker 1: line them up correctly. But it was part of the design,
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  Speaker 1: is it not? It is?
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  Speaker 2: It is not, it's not, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. I'm like, oh, this is cube.
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  Speaker 1: Was I supposed to take those off?
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  Speaker 2: Apparently?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. It's like when I was eating I was like
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  Speaker 1: eating the paper on like a candy or something that
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to take on.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of candy was it?
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  Speaker 1: I gotta ask Brad, I was eating the wrapper, like
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  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do that. They're like, don't do that,
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  Speaker 1: don't do that. So I don't know. I guess now
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  Speaker 1: if I get a colonoscopy, they're going to see the
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  Speaker 1: Werther's wrapper, not.
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  Speaker 2: With a shiny wrap on it.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing? How's your week? Bend?
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  Speaker 2: Fine, it's a totally random thing. No, no, it was fine.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine. Such a stupid thing. But like me and
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  Speaker 2: my friends are usually those of two are at like
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  Speaker 2: a similar age. Been talking a lot about we're things
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  Speaker 2: that we're doing now that we're getting older.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like for anti aging or losing your mind and
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  Speaker 1: wandering the house and yeah, oh that's happening to my dog.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry not to you, go ahead, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: But like so the other day, I was talking to
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  Speaker 2: my friend and she was saying something about herself that
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  Speaker 2: she was just like my grandmother used to do this thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I was just like, yeah. The other day I
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  Speaker 2: reached in to my purse and there was a random
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  Speaker 2: words candy.
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  Speaker 1: In there, like you turn fifty and you open your purse,
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  Speaker 1: and the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing about it was I opened my bag and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, where did that come from? Because I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember where I got it from. And but then I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, oh, well, it's a tasty can.
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  Speaker 1: I will say as I get older, I do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Just start finding things places and like where did this
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  Speaker 1: match book come from? Or book?
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  Speaker 2: Where'd the matchbook come from?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's listed on the matchbooks exactly where
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  Speaker 1: it came from.
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  Speaker 2: And then it came from like Tony and Tina's wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the day, they used to win, Like yeah
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  Speaker 2: that match books.
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  Speaker 1: What do they do now? Vapes? Do you get like
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  Speaker 1: a jewel when you you know?
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  Speaker 2: My brother and sister in law went to a wedding
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  Speaker 2: and the giveaway was marijuana, Like everyone got like a
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  Speaker 2: pre roll.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I love drugs.
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  Speaker 2: When we got married, we didn't do giveaways. We made
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  Speaker 2: a donation and everyone's name to like a tree planting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I was going to say, you could like donate drugs.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice too.
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, I can't remember. I come from a family
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  Speaker 2: where marijuana and the same going. Speaking of that, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, I have to show it to you. I'll
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  Speaker 2: give it to CJ. But like so, I.
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  Speaker 1: Posted the America clip from last week's episode where Melissa
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  Speaker 1: is just a refresher. Melissa's mother thinks crack and marijuana
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  Speaker 1: are basically let.
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  Speaker 2: The record reflect.
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  Speaker 1: It is not just my mother, it's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Haitian family.
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  Speaker 2: And also members of diaspora, a lot of immigrant families
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  Speaker 2: and yes, people I had like a handful of Nigerians,
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  Speaker 2: some Kenyans, some Jamaicans who are like for sure. But
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  Speaker 2: the best was like one of my aunts, she liked
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  Speaker 2: text me on my Instagram. She was like, isn't it
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  Speaker 2: not spreading misinformation? Isn't it? And I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's not.
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  Speaker 1: But oh no, and now we've got to now we really,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we really have to make it clear to.
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  Speaker 2: People marijuana, yeah, and crack cocaine are not the same
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  Speaker 2: where no matter where you're from.
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  Speaker 1: One is great. The other one might.
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  Speaker 2: Be the end of you get a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 1: My health teacher. I had a really fucked up health
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  Speaker 1: teacher in high school, and she taught us like too
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  Speaker 1: much about the drugs. She was like, Okay, so this
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  Speaker 1: is how you roll, this is how like, this is
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  Speaker 1: how people usually smoke crack, and she was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is what you want to be on the lookout for.
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  Speaker 1: But in retrospect, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I feel like she was giving you a tutorial
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  Speaker 2: or like going down memory lane back when the day
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  Speaker 2: when I used to smoke crack. This is how I
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  Speaker 2: did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was talking of reliving this with my
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  Speaker 1: friend from high school and we were like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: didn't she also work in the cafeteria? We're not, And
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  Speaker 1: now I'm pretty sure I don't. She might not have
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  Speaker 1: been a health teacher.
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  Speaker 2: I think we need to go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Your health teacher, Yeah, was also a cafeteria worker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like doing what in the.
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  Speaker 2: Was she like a nutritionist or a dietitian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure, but she definitely like worked the
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  Speaker 1: line like giving out the nuggeting a yeah, yeah, interesting,
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  Speaker 1: there is I should really look into this.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you should. Next dollars were going to work,
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  Speaker 2: Like what was going on in your town, in your province?
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  Speaker 1: And why do I know how to roll a killer joy?
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  Speaker 2: In high school, I went to an all girl Catholic
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  Speaker 2: high school and our teacher, who also taught us me
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  Speaker 2: Too sex Ed, was a nun. And I remember all
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  Speaker 2: of us sitting there, her sister ter raise and we
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  Speaker 2: were just like, I don't know that she knows what
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  Speaker 2: she's talking about. There was there was like that General Forda.
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  Speaker 1: Saying those who can't do teach, they said, bust out
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  Speaker 1: the virgin. She's teaching sex ad. Give her she closed,
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  Speaker 1: give her a pack of chalk and get in there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's really funny. A nun that's teaching sex ad.
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  Speaker 2: And this part I understand right. We were probably sixteen
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  Speaker 2: years old. So she's sitting in front of you know,
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  Speaker 2: a classroom full of giggling sixteen year old girls, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sneak sniggering and everything, and she was like, girls, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to take this very seriously. And she got out
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  Speaker 2: the book, but then she would also like circle it
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  Speaker 2: back around to the Bible. It was fucked up and
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  Speaker 2: then just you know, and me just walking out of
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  Speaker 2: that room being like I have learned less than nothing.
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  Speaker 1: At a certain was there like a certain moment when
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  Speaker 1: you realized y'all knew more about sex than she did.
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  Speaker 1: Were you like, no, no, no, no, sister, this is how
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  Speaker 1: you actually do it, Not sister.
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  Speaker 2: D Agnes her name, Sisterrese.
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  Speaker 1: This is okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you think just walking away from that feeling
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  Speaker 2: like this person has no no concept of like what's
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  Speaker 2: actually going on.
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  Speaker 1: Also, if you're teaching contraception and you are, you've taken
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  Speaker 1: like a vow of chastity, the sticks are really low
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  Speaker 1: for you, very so like I feel like you're not
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  Speaker 1: maybe not that invested in making.
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  Speaker 2: Sure the message was abstinence right, like which which which.
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  Speaker 1: Worked famously well for me school. I mean voted most
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  Speaker 1: likely slutted up problem.
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  Speaker 2: Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't say his full name. Actually, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to say his name at all, for protective protect
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  Speaker 1: protect the innocent and the guilty and the guilty and
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  Speaker 1: the guilty. Let's get into sidebar. Let's just do like
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  Speaker 1: a quick what's going on in our week this week? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since I went to jury.
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  Speaker 2: Duty, right, and I knew that you would not get it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but let me tell you something. Not only was
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  Speaker 1: I not picked for a jury. So first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I get there and they're all giggling because the clerks
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  Speaker 1: know me a criminal court. So they're like, Michael, are
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  Speaker 1: you lost, you stupid bitch, what are you doing here?
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  Speaker 1: And so like, no, I actually have jury duty. And
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  Speaker 1: now they're laughing. Sure, they're like, oh my god. And
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  Speaker 1: so now we're like keiki and yacking it up. They
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  Speaker 1: picked me like I got called because it was right
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  Speaker 1: after the blizzard in New York, so court had been
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  Speaker 1: canceled the day before, so it was like a crush
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  Speaker 1: of jurors because they can't mail out the little thing
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  Speaker 1: fast enough to update everyone not to come. So it
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  Speaker 1: was like two days worth of people in the room. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So only a couple of people got called in. I
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  Speaker 1: was one of them. And once they figured out I
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  Speaker 1: was an attorney, you were right, they did. The lawyers
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  Speaker 1: on the trial were like, get this guy out of here,
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  Speaker 1: of course. And I of course had like twenty conflicts
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  Speaker 1: like I had court that morning. I had to get
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  Speaker 1: in a German I had court the next day, so
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  Speaker 1: there was no way I could actually feasibly sit on
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  Speaker 1: a jury But then they made me sit there all day.
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  Speaker 1: Why it was my service. Your service ends at five pm.
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  Speaker 1: So even if you're not picked, you they say you're excused,
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  Speaker 1: and you go back and you put your card back
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  Speaker 1: in the basket because you can get called again.
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  Speaker 2: If I am really appalled that we're still using a
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  Speaker 2: card in a basket method, like, honestly, that's so fucking stupid.
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  Speaker 2: It pisses me off. But and also I'm irritated on
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  Speaker 2: your behalf and god forbid I get called to jury
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  Speaker 2: duty that you now have to sit there all day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and it was me. And they do it
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  Speaker 1: based off your voter registration. So it was me and
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of zillennials because they all registered to
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  Speaker 1: vote for Mom Donnie, So it was a lot of
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: them Mom Donnie gen z Ers and me hanging out
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  Speaker 1: all day at drury duty. It was actually kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I was chatting with a few folks.
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  Speaker 2: But it just seems like a waste of everyone's time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: You know you don't want me. It's weird. It's like
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  Speaker 2: the boyfriend who keeps you on the day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when I was dating women, were dating women, well,
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  Speaker 1: like when I had like a beard or like a
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend and in like in like the ninth grade. Okay,
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: I was I played soccer.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's not the problem. You You playing soccer, being
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: a sporty guy is not the problem. Sorry.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I love why. I was like, no, no, no, I was
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  Speaker 1: so straight. I played soccer. But wait, did you watch
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry speaking of gays and sports? Sorry? No, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't watch it at all? No, So wait, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: then you have to tell me what you think it is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think I only heard about this show because
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: it's very popular in Russia, right, which is unusual.
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  Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know that.
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  Speaker 2: Supposed' that's how I heard about it, right, So that apparently,
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  Speaker 2: like the most stream show in Russia is Heated Rivalry,
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  Speaker 2: and they're all getting it sort of illegally because.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably censored, right, is.
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  Speaker 2: Censored, but they're all watching it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't be cracking dudes in Russia. I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're not. You're not allowed to. So and then
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  Speaker 2: I looked into it to see what it was and
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  Speaker 2: apparently is it hockey. Yes, so it's like gay hockey.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah, okay, it's basically it's more gay than hockey.
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  Speaker 1: They're on the ice I think for maybe thirty seconds
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  Speaker 1: for the.
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  Speaker 2: Entire illusion of hockey.
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  Speaker 1: It's the rest of the time. I don't think they could, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they could even get the space to
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  Speaker 1: film on the ice. They did it. I think they
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: were on the ice like once or twice for the
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  Speaker 1: whole there's the show based it's a Canadian show. It's
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  Speaker 1: a Canadian show, okay. But now it's gotten so popular,
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  Speaker 1: and this came out months ago, it's gotten so popular.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: They're doing lookalike contests for the two guys, the two
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  Speaker 1: main guys. So in New York this week and there
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: were multiple Ilia and Shane look alike contests. Let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you what. The crowds they picked the two finalists,
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  Speaker 1: and the crowd starts chanting, Kiss, Kiss Kiss. The two
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  Speaker 1: starts to just start going to town in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of like Tompkins Square. It was so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we need, you know whatever? I instantly got
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  Speaker 2: annoyed when you said, now it's so popular that we
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  Speaker 2: need to look alike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for what I think it's like, let's just get
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of hot guys into the park and make
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  Speaker 1: them makeout.
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  Speaker 2: Are the two guys in it hot?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, everyone in it is beautiful, and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to be hideous when you're what
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  Speaker 1: twenty four and an actor like he's they're adorable.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true. It's not hard to be I mean
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  Speaker 2: some people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Melissa catching in real time? Yeah, oh man, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Let's go live on the scene to Tompkin Square Park
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  Speaker 1: where two men are just still going to town on
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't know it ended, they're still doing it. Good
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into your algorithm of showing what is going
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  Speaker 1: on in your feet this week? What are you seeing?
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  Speaker 1: What is all over your I.
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  Speaker 2: Think I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I've been seeing. So, still a ton of ice stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I've been looking into volunteering opportunities, so I'm seeing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that stuff. I'm still getting a lot of
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  Speaker 2: plastic surgery stuff. And I, oh, I actually want to
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: tell you this. So the thing about when you start
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: engaging with that stuff, you get all kinds of shapes, right,
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  Speaker 2: So not only am I getting like doctors performing plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also getting either like cosmetic nurses or people who
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: are really into cosmetic surgery doing before and after as
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: the people right, famous people.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll say, oh, they'll do like a breakdown.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Right, So they'll be like whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be like Bradley Cooper's forehead.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it'll be like Bradley before Bradley afterwards, and I.
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  Speaker 1: That's a real one. You should look that up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean whatever, right. So I was talking to a
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine about this, and I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that I keep on singing is
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  Speaker 2: that these the men, especially like when they're getting the
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  Speaker 2: plastic surgery done at the end of it, they're looking
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  Speaker 2: very squinty, like they're squinting all the time. Like that's
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: like this look that I'm noticing.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. So my friend was because there's like fillers or
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: and it's like crowding the eye.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I don't know if they're not doing enough or
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: they're doing too much of something, Like I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: what it is, right, because like the filled cheek is different.
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  Speaker 1: The migrating fillers.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So now they're like everyone is like squinting, like
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: they can't, like they forgot their glasses, right. So I
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  Speaker 2: said to my friend, I'm like, why is everybody looking
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  Speaker 2: so squinty? And she was like, ah, Melissa, you can't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can say that. And I was like,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I can't say squinty, And I was like why not?
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  Speaker 2: Like when did squint When did squinting.
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  Speaker 1: Become I love when being woke crosses over so f that,
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  Speaker 1: like the woke thing is now not woke, its snaky.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like genuinely, AGAs you're ready.
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  Speaker 1: For the correction. You're like, let's correct and she.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Was like, well, isn't it It's like alluding to somebody
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  Speaker 2: like sorry, I don't even know how to say this,
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  Speaker 2: like looking Asian. And I was just like, so now
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I'm googling, right am I allowed to say It's like.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: My waiter described my dessert as fruity? How dare you sir?
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: But I was like really, And I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a real thing that She's like,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I think it is a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: So we're now we're going back fighting over offense.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, and now like is this where
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: we are?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: That now like saying that somebody looks squinty is potentially
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  Speaker 2: really and listen.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, And we have derailed the entire night, and now
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: we're fighting about identity.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: My brain was spinning. Yeah, and now I'm asking the
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: good people.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: It's the fabric of the identity politics, it's the fabric
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: of society. And we don't know if the fabric is
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: you know, made humanely? Was it? How was it loomed?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: How was it loomed? Where did we get the fabrics?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: From my friend? Last night? Okay, so today is we're
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: recording on groundhog Day.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: My friend and I descended into absolute chaos last night.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: We worked down a deep rabbit hole about groundhog Day.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: First of all, did you were Do you remember when
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Bill Deblasio killed that fucking groundhog? No?
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I did not remember. Did you do remember that?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I remember it. It was twenty fourteen, and last night
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: so much has happened in the news.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: We're concentrating for the fucking ground hug.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I forgot that Bill Deblasio yted a groundhog at on
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Staten Island.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: So this is not Phil pon STUCKI Phil, No, that's
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the one in Philly.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: That's the one in Philly. So this one is Chuck.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And so I've done. I am I'm a bober truther,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm also a dablase Ceo truther. You need to
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: get off that interesting choice of words.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't go ahead.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Chuck. Chuck is the is the groundhog? So
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: there are four groundhogs at the zoo, at the Staten
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Island Zoo. Yes, and because groundhogs are I'm sorry, what
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was that some anti Staten Island Okay, do it? Do it?
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I love, but I won't.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I won't because it happens like practically New Jersey.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's okay to say. I agree, I mean,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and I think people on Staten Island would agree.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there are four groundhogs on Staten Island.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Did they rotate them out for Groundhog's Day?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, because they're technically supposed to be hibernating. Yeah, So
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: they wake them up and see who's like the least
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: vicious because it's usually most of them, So they pick
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: whoever is the least vicious. And the year before Deblasio
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: it bit Michael Bloomberg because it was so mad.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I'd be mad you woke me up.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even hibernate. And so they woke this one
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: up and it bit Michael Bloomberg. And so this wasn't Chuck.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: This was Charlotte, Chuck's daughter. So they're all like descendants
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of Chuck. The I guess the original, the originated.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: The did a really deep dive on this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even We're just scratching the surface. So
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: they had gloves on Ari de Blassio because it had
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: bitten Michael Bloomberg recently and they didn't want him getting bit.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So the gloves were too big, so he dropped Charlotte.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And then a week or two later, Charlotte turned up
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: dead on her pen.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Why is that his thoughts?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: They did in new cropsy on Charlotte, and she died
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of internal injuries being dropped, consistent with a fall. So
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: this was the entire inspiration for the film Anatomy of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a Fall. No, it wasn't. Please don't your aunt's going
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to comment and say, was it really? Yeah? It was
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: crack and we are the same, and Anatomy of Falls about.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'm reading this quote about from Bill Deblasio. Uh, don't
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: make me hold a fucking groundhog. I mean, what the hell.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you exactly what it happened. I go
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: there and at seven in the morning, which means my
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: motor schools are not at their best. I put these
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: gloves on and they're like, here's a groundhog, and I'm like,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: what the fuck. I'm like, don't you have a little
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: more coaching to go with this? Or whatever? It was idiocy?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Why would you want an elected officials to hold the groundhog?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about So the whole thing is
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: just insane. There's an original sin here. Don't and someone
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a groundhog? Oh my god? Only trained groundhog holders? Do
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you squeeze it really tight? I mean, what you do? So,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, talk about a lack of advanced work. That
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: is okay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Times quote the opening the article was her shadow was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: one of the last things she saw. If Peter isn't
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: mad at us about your furs, they're going to be
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: mad at us now. It was. I actually feel bad
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: because Charlotte was really cute. I'm looking at photos last night.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I got kind of emotional.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Do you think those animals are cute?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I think Charlotte was cute and fat.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I don't like animals like that. I don't want anything
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: bad to happen to them.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't like, it's not like a rat to me, like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: this is definitely a step up from a rat and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a squirrel. It's technically genetically they're closer to closer to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a squirrel.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I did hear that. Yeah, you heard that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: this morning, this morning, I've heard on NB. Actually, so
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: did I ever tell you when I first started dating Andre
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: we were getting to know each other. No, no, no, no, no,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it's relevant, and do you have any pets whatever? And
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I had a cat at the time. I've always had
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a cat, and he was just I'm like, yeah, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: have a guinea pig. And I was like, and I
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what, when I had broken up
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: with my last long term relationship, I literally sent a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: prayer up to the Lord and I said, God, please
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: send me a man that is the absolute opposite of
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: this last guy. I need someone completely different. No, you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do all these but I did not
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: say please don't let him have weird pets? Right, And
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: then I'm thinking to myself, what kind of a grown
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: ass man has a guinea pig? And the guinea pig's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: name was Giggles, and I think he heard it in
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: my voice. The desire just plummeting. And then he said,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should tell you that the guinea
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: pig really belongs to my eleven year old daughter who
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: wanted a pet at his house and at her mom's house.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And he will not be helped the way he said
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I have a guinea picture.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Not until I was just like what, and then he
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: was just like, actually, it's ks and whatever, and I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, which made all the difference in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Brad does this, he'll be like, we have a huge emergency,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and as someone who literally deals with life and death
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: situations at work, you can't lead with that. You've got
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to be like, the groceries weren't delivered. It's a huge emergency.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Leader with dire.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: It's dire.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I literally have actual emergency sometimes this not that it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: an emergency. We've got to dust the bookshelf, is it anyway?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Charlotte the Brownhog died and the death wasn't disclosed right
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: away by the zoo because she died a week later
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and they didn't tell the mayor's office. Conspiracy theorists believe
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it was because the mayor's office gives the zoo three
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: point five million dollars a year in funding, so they
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: were like, this is a pure nightmare. There was a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: potential cover up. I in my mind now I'm imagining
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: like an interurn going to the goldfish store to get
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the goldfish that looks like the fish to swap it out,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: so no one notices. And because there was this delay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the media jumped on it and we're all over it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: because there was a lot of like pr hand ringing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: A Foyer request was submitted.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I love someone tell people if they may not know
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a foy is.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: It's a Freedom of Information Act, so it's a request
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that you submit to the government to basically subpoena their
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: emails or records around something that is of the public interest.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Correct. So this is so stupid, so.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Stupid, and there are way more important headlines right now.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I it was groundhog Day and it did remind
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: me of how insane this tradition is. And also Chuck
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: does Chuck the Groundhog today said there's going to be
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: six more weeks of winter, lovely, and he has about
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: an eighty percent success rate in predicting it. But the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: very famous.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: One does not. He's terrible at it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty. Yeah, so I don't know.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is stupid.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I'm really I'm a groundhog truther, and I'm willing to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: go on the record and say that this is under oath.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about like what's happening in the headlines, what's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: happening in the news? All lots.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot is happening. A lot happened last week,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a lot is still happening. I mean, I feel like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: just the beginning, since the beginning of the year, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: been one thing after me.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: My dms have been filled with people who are just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like fatigued, and I always try when to make a video,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how there be like a tip or something
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of like something you can do or like some sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of hope core. Like I made a video about how
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: there's no statute limitations on murder in America, so if
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: ice officers murder someone, they can still be held accountable
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: under a new administration. And people really responded well to that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sure, I think I just hate that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: That's the silver lining, right, do you know what I mean?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I put the information silver.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Linings looking dinger and dingier every day. But it is, yes, yeah,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: but the general like fatigue in Malays the exhaustion of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the constant news cycle. For sure, it's hard to really
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: get up that that energy. But with everything that's happening
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: with Ice and all of the constant constitutional violations and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: then having to go to court, I personally have been
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: really I'm searching for the right word because I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: want to sound like I'm having this joyous time, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I will say that I've been really heartened by the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: protesters in Minnesota.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That has really been moving and it feels substantial to me.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So when I see them protesting, when I see them
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so organized, yeah, and I see the real motivation and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: fight that people have, that feels really motivating to me
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to continue to do my work. Because when we care
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: so much about something, it's clear that we all love
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: each other and we love this country and like the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: parts of it that we call home and our communities.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So when we're fighting for it, we're fighting because we care.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: We're fighting because we care about each other, yeah, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: we care about our community. So that to me, I've
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: been able to really see that as like a whoe.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much we all really cared about
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: each other. That has been so moving to me.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, I said this to you,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and I've been saying it to other people. I never
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: in my life felt this overwhelming need to be patriotic
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: towards the United States. Like you know, I was born
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in this country, I live here. Obviously I reaped the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: benefits of having grown up here, but I never really
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: thought about it that much. I think because especially culturally,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I identify so much to being Haitian that like, that's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: usually where my brain goes. But more and more I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: so outraged and anxious and angry about what's happening that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I do feel all of a sudden like, yeah, you
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: know what, this is my country and I want to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: do what I can do to help her stay the course. Right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So I hear what you're saying about Sorry just squinted
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: at me. Oh my god, No, I'm sorry anyway, now
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I can't look at you anymore if you're going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: do that. No, but but all but all kidding aside,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Like I do feel like I hear what you're saying.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: It is heartening to see that people are focused and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: they're paying attention, and they are also upset. And you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: when you you can make a difference from where you
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: sit right and like there's like a learning obviously, but
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you could you could do all those things.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It was a lot harder for me to wake up
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and be an immigration lawyer every day when people when
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I would turn on the news and see things happening
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and people weren't doing anything about it. It was a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: lot harder because it felt like I was the only person.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And I, of course know that's not true. That's a feeling,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: not a fact. But when I then turn on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: news and I see thousands of people protesting, thousands of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: people going on to general strike for a cause that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I've really been working for a lot, I'm like, whoa,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Like hell yeah, Like I'm energized by it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It does make you feel better.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what. I just to like wrap that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: thought up, I would just say that I'm like constantly
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: inspired by other people in this movement and watching like
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the next gen kind of get involved. I got asked
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: by a reporter this morning, like how do you keep
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: doing this? Like what really sustains you? Like what would
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: be your sort of like message. And for me, I'm like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think we're able to affect more change as a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: democracy now because of the Internet, because there are so
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: many people online accessing videos, able to see what's happening.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: We have activists going live from the scene, Like, we
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: have so much information that can often feel overwhelming and exhausting,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and it is, but I think we're able to actually
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: better serve causes and effect change because of it. We're
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: able to have an eighteen year old in the middle
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of the country contact an immigration lawyer across the country
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: or talk to you, or talk to an activist organization
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in La. Yeah, it's kind of interesting and a unique
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: situation we're in. There have been some really interesting have
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you been following, Like christin Nomes the tides finally turned
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on the slows, they're finally turning on her.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it took long enough. And here's the thing there,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And I really wonder if they realize it when these people,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: so people who are part of the mega movement, right,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: do you realize that the presidence of the United States
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: does not have your back at all?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, and what's really interesting about that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: is that it seems to me that all of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: people who are vying for his attention and the people
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that he is surrounding himself with, they don't seem to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: know understand that. Meanwhile, I sitting at home, I'm like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: he doesn't give a shit about you, and he will
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: throw you under the bus, toss you to the wolves. Yes,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: in an instant.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: The first Trump administration, do you remember that rotating revolving
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: door of names. Every week? It was like what who?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It was like it was like popat opolist, you remember,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like these and like it was like these names. Every
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: week it was like and this person got part.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And this was that guy who was? Who was? I
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: think I can't remember what his role was, but he
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: was in the job for a week, Yeah, Anthony something
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: or another.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It's a measure of time, Yeah, Anthony.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: He was in the job for a week if that. Yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And it was content. It was just you know. I
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: also think that I will say this his first administration.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I think he also was quite surprised that he won, yes,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and so was sort of scrambling to find people to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: fill his cabinet. I feel like this time he was
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: much more focused.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Well because the first time he won the election, he
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was shocked, like they were stunned that they won. They
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: did not expect that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: No, neither did we.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But I will say that, like it's interesting to watch Christine.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm go in front of Congress and in front of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: these inquiries and be asked questions, and she gives the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: very like Trump administration answers of Oh, deny everything, lie
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: through your teeth, deny the truth, ignore the video, ignore
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the sworn statement, like ignore everything, and just like stick
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to the message. You can't do that under sworn testimony.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: That is perjury. You can't be doing that. Trump does
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it in press conferences all.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: The time, Yeah, but not under oath.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: She's in front of her Congress, like she's being asked
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: by house members what is happening, and she's like, oh, no,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that's not true, that's not happening. That's not what's going on.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And like we're getting the footage of this.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It's like we were seeing it, Christy, we can see it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Can you this life catches up with you. Just go
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: away with the next news cycle that is an actual proceeding.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was really interesting. Love and I
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't happen to a better person, couldn't happen to a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: better person.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I do wish bad things upon bad people.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, like get out of here. No, she did
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: funk around and she's finding out. Yeah, but you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like I want to see some professional carnage. Do you
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like I I would love for
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: her to be shackled someplace, you know, like a like arrested.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, not obviously, ye, we want to Yes. Do you
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: want the purp walk? I want the full Mangoni purp walk.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was it? The helicopter?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And like, give me some music in the.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Up the West Side Highway.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I do I want music? I do I want music
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in the background.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Music That was like the Fraser theme song.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: No something I need, I need something and I and
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I want to see her no eyelashes, no extensions, both
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: face melting, crying, Tammy Fay, Timmy Fay, Tammy Fay mes
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Gara running because that is what she deserves, because she
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: has made it her life's work. And you get the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: sense that there is tremendous joy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: She's trying to build a celebrity off of being this meaning.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Right, and but also there is like joy in the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: in the harm and pain of other people. Sure, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: that is like the worst kind of mean g.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: That was Professor Umbrad. Yes, that is like that is.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Actually and I would love to see her get dragged
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: off by a bunch of angry centaurs, because that's what
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: happened to Dolores. I know it's too much about this.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry this woman went to platform nine and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: three quarters in London. You cannot slip a Harry Potter.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: You can't. You could try anyway. Don Lemon, oh my god,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. Don Lemon was on
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: CNN for years, okay, years and years, and I actually
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: can no longer remember at the moment what he did.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: He did or said something on air that ended up
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: getting him fired. I don't remember what it is right now,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: but Don don Lemon's serious journalist. But he would do
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: this thing every New Year's Eve where he would do
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like almost like the same thing that oh god, it
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: was with like Andy Cohen and.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper and.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Aniston Cooper, and he would get lit on and he
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: would say he was like I'm lit y'all and it
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: would be like epic. But anyway, he fucked up and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he found out he got he lost his job. Yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and also Joy Reid, who got fired from what was
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: MSNBC that is now ms NOW I think. But since
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they've gotten fired, they've been doing this sort of independent reporting, right,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: so on their own dime, going to places and doing
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: what have you. Don Lemon much more boots on the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: ground than what I have seen Joy Read do. Joy Reid,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I think now has a podcast and she's doing that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: sort of thing, but she's also coming for Edges. She's
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: doing wonderfully.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Call on the Showjoy Read.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Would love to have you, Joy, please, would love to
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: have her on.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We'd love to have Don on com snatch. These Edges
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: love that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: But so Don got so he's been doing a lot
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: of independent reporting and he's been on the ground in Minnesota.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: He went to that protest that was at that church
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: in Minnesota.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was like two around that I was.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I was in the middle of writing emotion and I kept.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Getting my understanding of Okay, So the story with this
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: church in Minnesota was that the pastor of the church
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: is widely reported that he has a he's a field
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: office agent for ICE, so he allowed ICE access to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: his church and there was a protest at the church
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: where the protesters came and interrupted the service at the church.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Well, he was letting ice into the church, I think,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, what do I mean where people are
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: seeking refuge or an It's a big part of the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Hispanic community is Catholic service, so.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Ew is right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Don Lemon went with the protesters, right, But
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the administration that arrested him alleged that he was colluding with.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: The pro right, that he was a little like a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: rabble rouser interrupt service.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And so the federal charges were that he conspired to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: interfere with the First Amendment rights of the people who
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: were worshiping their First Amendment freedom of religion. And two
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: federal judges they tried to get the charges to stick
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: in court in front of a judge. So you go
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: before a judge and you say, these are the charges.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I think that we should be able to get an
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: arrest warrant from the judge. Two judges said no, right,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and they had to go to a grand jury to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: get an indictment right in order to even arrest on
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Lemon for this, and they arrested him in LA.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It was like a while, yeah, he was, Yeah, it
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: was like the following week.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: He wasn't even in Minnesota anymore. The charges are still sticking,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: are they? Yeah? I think that he's still charged, like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to court.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right. And I also really love that when
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: he came out, you know, he was like, I'm going
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to fight these charges. But I think the best part
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: about it because I think that this sort of like
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: his husband came to get him and they walked out together.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: They were holding hands. Obviously this you know, showing this
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: unified front, and I think that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: That's a meme now well.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And I also think that that kind of you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: two men, two married men in love with each other,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a black man and a white man together. I think
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: it kind of like sticks it, yeah to Maga, which
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I fucking love. I love that. I love that for
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: all of us. I love it for done, I love
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it for you know, our entire community who's watching this.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I will I will say, just like two powerful gay
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: men holding hands is actually so upsetting to Mecca, like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: they really like it read it because it's not salacious
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: at all. It's just two people who are like happy
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and in love. Is just so disturbing. This notion that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I guess just like men can be happy in a marriage,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: since that is so often not the case with Mega
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's because they think it goes against what they think
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: is the right air quotes, right thing to do.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Right. So here also like, it's just so much hotter
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: when it's two guys.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you're a guy who's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: into guys, it's just.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: No, I think for everyone everybody. Yeah, it's just hotter,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: just hotter. Yeah, yeah, hotter than.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Two women in love or men and a woman who
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: love each other.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: No, two women in love too, okay.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Me and and Jay loving each other is not hot no, wow, wow, wow, okay, Michael.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Too woke, too woke. I heard you have a guinea pig.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So that's not I don't have a guinea pig.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Wait, what happened to the guinea pig?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Oh you were okay, So I'll tell you what happened
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to the guinea pig. So, so Andre and I were
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: either living together or now married. And Andre called me
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: up and he says, and wait, and he says to me,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Giggles is gone. And I said to him, you better
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: find her because Patch was rip patch her cat our
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: cat Patch will kill her.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then he said munch, munch.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks said no, she's gone, as in dead, and then
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: so full disclosure. I was not sad about this cartwheel
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: kind of silent cheer, and I was like, oh, okay,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: well I'm sorry. And then when I came home, he
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: had covered the guinea pig with a paper towel. Wait,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: like he'd cover this, and it was like this pathetic
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: lump underneath the paper towel, not the shroud. Yeah, I mean,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I just think it's just ripped up some bounty and
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: just covered her. And I was like, what are you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: gonna do with her? And then he was like, well,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Okap's gonna come over this weekend. She's to come over
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: every weekend. And I was like, it's like Wednesday or Thursday.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: What are you going to He was like, well, maybe
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we could put it in the ziploc bag in the fridge.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, wait, my.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Friend called me this weekend and then I promise we'll
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: get back to Don Lennon. And my friend called me
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: this weekend. She was telling me that her friend found
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a rat in her toilet. I'm almost alive, Oh my god.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And so she told her friends, oh, no, where where
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: in New York City.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: This is my I'm not even kidding, I your greatest
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: legitimately have such a huge fear of like, don't show
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: me ship, don't you do it?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I'll read you the text though.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: No, please don't text today. I text her two days later.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: My friends having plumbing issues. She flushed it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Can they come up to the to the plumbing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Plumbers there and they snake like the toilet.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I won't look at it. I won't
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: look at it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: They snaked the toilet and the plumber said he saw fur.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Peter is going to have to come
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: on the show next week. Just just go ahead and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: book them and let me let me take my lumps,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: let me take it on the chin.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I would die, would I would die, my.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Greatest There is a snake in the toilet. Rat no
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: snake nightmare?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I think, I think rat for me, no.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Getting bitten in the butt by a snake. I hope
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that I.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Would recognize that there's like a worrying in the toilet
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: before he came out. I hope that that would happened.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I hope that I would not astrict in the toilet.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: My cousin Stephanie is Australian.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where my friend got the advice to flush
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the rat. She went on like Australian subreddit.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Well I feel okay, this is like a no, no, no,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: because this is actually a problem. I don't know that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that about the rats, but I knew
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that like snakes and stuff came up out of the toilet.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're plumbing is set up different. Do you know
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Toilet's flush the other direction. The rat goes down counterclockwise.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to reach out to Stephanie and I'm going
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to ask her about it's going to be No.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: What time is it this it's urgent. It's five in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the morning in Australia.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I would die. I would die.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, we have to talk.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry, we're going back to see do you see what
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: happens to us? I have an appointment to see a psychiatrist.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: By the way, was it before or after the Epstein
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: files dropped? That you booked the psychiatrist appartment.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Before I got to get my ADHD under because.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you probably wouldn't have gotten an appointment after
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files dropped. That was have you crazed.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, are you reading all of it though, Michael, Yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It is so disturbing.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it is disturbing.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. I have a stomach for
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of disturbing images, and like I have to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: read reports and I have to look at crime scene photos,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: so I get a lot of that. When I was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: an intern in New Orleans in the criminal justice system,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I had to look at a lot of deeply disturbing
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: photos just working in criminal law down South. Yeah, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: this is just unlike anything I've ever seen. It truly
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is so disturbing, and even just like the emails, I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: unbelievable things that people are writing in the emails, I.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Mean and then saying stupid stuff like delete this email afterwards,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: like the idea of that, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, shame on,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, didn't you make the email system correct?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And that's you know, and I've said this to you
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: before about other you know, other things that we've heard happening.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: You know, these people that we know. I am now
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: concerned forget about the fuck shit that you've done. Just
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: put that to the side for a moment. I am
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: not concerned about what a colossal dumbass you are. Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates, who basically, like you said, basically invented email.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It is like, delete this email.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: What the whole notion that the email is undeletable was
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: your idea you did? That's the calls coming from inside.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: The house, and apparently he was trying to figure out
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a way to slip his wife, yes medic medication because
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: he had an FTD.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And there's an interview with her where she's like,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I never liked that Epstein guy, Like you can. It's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: clear she's going on the record in a cursory way
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that she can talking about this, which I'm sure is
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: everyone's nbaight up the wazoo. But yeah, and then Elon
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Musk like begging to go to Epstein's island.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Talk about it. Pick me, please, please please pick me pedophile?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is and he's like multiple emails,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and then Epstein's sending it to his assistant being like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: deal with this bitch.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I think? Is really interesting that
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: somebody as deplorable as Epstein would see somebody as Elon
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Musk and be like, even for me, it's too much.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying, Like, even for me,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: it's too much.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And then Elon Musk's daughter tweeted last night, while I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: was in the groundhog rabbit hole, I was looking at
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the tweets from Elon Musk's daughter, who tweeted that the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: veracity of the files relating to Elon is probably true
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: because she can confirm they were on family vacation in
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Saint Bart's at the time. She was like, we were
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: there that week of those emails, and so that blew
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: up everyone. I mean, talk about accountability.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Your own daughter is I know that's I was going
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to say, your own daughter. And she not only she
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: gobbled her not only that, but she's also using your platform.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: She's she's on X.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: She's on X talking about what a shit bag her
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: father is.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: She ate you up, She ate with that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine and get the.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Light it can for these sick burns.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, we did not finish talking about Don Lemon.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: You know what, because he's going to come on the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: show and he's going to Don Lemon, I'm invoking the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: game Mafia on your ass. You're coming on this show.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: You owe me. You know what you did?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: No you don't.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: But I am invoking the unspoken Elton john Act. I'm
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: invoking Marsha P. Johnson, I'm invoking the Stonewall Brick.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm invoking, and I will I will invoke
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the Kinfolk Act.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, come, yeah, you can't. You can't.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: You can't turn it down. You can't turn us down.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: A black woman and a game answer podcast ones, come
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: on done. Okay, There's actually been like a lot of
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: losses for the Trump administration, so talk about hope core
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in court. Lately, the federal courts have been absolutely spiking
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the ball on all of these cases that come before them.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: It's actually pretty fierce, especially considering that like the Trump
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: administration stacked the courts with the Federalist Society with Republican judges.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But I have a list of federal courts that have
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: blocked Trump executive actions lately. We have the end of
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: migrant legal status, so the mass parol programs. Yeah, they
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: blocked that the Offshore Win project was allowed to continue.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You detaining resettled refugees, they put a block on that,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: so resettling refugees. The Federal Appeals Court reaffirms TPS protections.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Federal Court temporary blocks enforcement of President Trump's anti diversity
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: equity inclusion executive orders. And then the Supreme Court's rule
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is working to limit blocking power in Trump visa or CISA,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and a federal judge just struck down the rule from
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Trump and Christine Nolm that Congress members need seven days
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: notice to go to detention centers. Do you remember when
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: someone like local officials in New York were getting arrested
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: trying to go to detention centers. Yeah, and so Christy
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Nolman was like, oh, new rule, you have to give
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: seven days notice. You know that horrific things are happening
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: in the detention center when we need seven days to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: tidy it up to make it look like the mess.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: There aren't any human rights rights violations which we know
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: are happening at the Dilly Detention Center right now, where
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: they're housing many children who are migrants. They released deliverableting,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: they've released lamb which was adorable, made me so happy,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: But there are still so many children, of course, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: they've been there for a long time, and especially at Dilly.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, the conditions that people are talking about are
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: lack of clean water, which is how they make baby formula.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: There was a woman who I don't know if she
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: was at Dilly, but she was pregnant and experiencing heavy bleeding.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: All in detention. The food is, if there is food,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: often has bugs in it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Right, it's disgusting.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: We really are inhumane developing nation conditions in these detention centers.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: We are not equipped to detain and house as many people.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still abide by the laws of America.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Right. They don't care though, do you know what I mean?
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: It's not only that we are not equipped, but they
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: don't seem to be taking They don't seem to care
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: to take any measure. Listen, this is what you want
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: to do. You want to sort of go out and
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: get these people. You get in them, and you're putting
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: them in detention with the intention of shipping them out. Logically,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it will take you time to do that. In the meantime,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: you can't have people in a space with no water.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: There's no infrastructure.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: We do not have. The infrastruction of the United States
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: is already falling apart. Now you want to add something
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: else to it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're gonna care when they're all eventually
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: indicted or in court and bankrupt because they were sued
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: in civil court. But I understand and agree that they
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: don't care. Now there's a lot of fucking around happening. Yeah,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the finding out will be eventual. This is tells from
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the DMS. We are going to get into all the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: questions you sent in to brief recess at exactly rightmedia
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: dot com or to the link in my bio where
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you can record your own message.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Now, remember everybody, like I always say, while Michael is
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: a lawyer, he is not your lawyer. So this is
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: for general information and entertainment purposes only.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So we have a couple questions from school teachers who
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: have sent us voice notes. We're going to play them
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: for you really quick. But recently Ice rescinded that schools
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: are considered a private protected location for migrants, so technically
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: they can enter schools and detain students, which is like
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: a new level of dystopia that we've never seen before.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And just quick reminder before we jump into these questions.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: If that doesn't horrify you, I don't know what will.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And if that doesn't get you involved, I don't know
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: what will. Nothing will, right, But let's jump into the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: questions because these are the I mean, we really need
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to give some help here to actual teachers who are
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: worried about their students.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Whom I can ask you a question just about the
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: school stuff. So are we talking about public schools or
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: private schools? Is there a difference?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Great question, because technically it would depend if it was
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: private property. So public schools are not considered private property,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: but a private school, I guess, would be considered private property.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So do you think And I know, I'm just sort
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: of like throwing this out.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: There, and therefore the Fourth Amendment protections would apply, whereas
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: now the public property is not getting that previous protection. Yes, okay,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And it would be very specific to each situation, like,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: for example, if there was a part of it the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: public school that had private property attached to, like it
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that there was a house near there or yeah, yeah, no,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think it would be yeah, okay, okay. This
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: is from a high school music music teacher, Okay, a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: little different.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I'm Michael Melissa. I'm a music educator from Ohio, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I was wondering what are some things that we as
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: teachers can do to protect our students from ice. Now
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I know that we've talked a little bit about like
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: what normal teachers can do, but for music it's a
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: little bit different because we do have some outside of
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: school day activity and whatnot. So let's say you're on
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a band trip and ice stops your school's bus, right,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: we're going to we're in a different state maybe, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: ice stops your bus. What can we do for our students?
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: How can we prepare our students to perhaps be stopped
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: by ice at a concert or coming into our classrooms?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Like what like legally can we advise them to do
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and be prepared for in our classrooms?
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: And what line does it become illegal for educators to
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: get involved and try and protect our students. What line
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: do we have to decide whether or not we're going
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: to keep going to protect our students and we're the sacrifices.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like being a teacher isn't hard enough, right.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Right, They're like buying their own school supplies and now
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: they have to getting paid nothing. Yeah, So it's as
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: always a very complicated answer. I want to focus on.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: You're asking a lot about like how we can equip
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the students, So like that is one line of inquiry
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: we can address, But I also want to focus on
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: like what you can do as teachers and administrators to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: put pressure on the administration of the school I think
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: is really important as well. A lot of what ICE
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: relies on is student data. So if you can pressure
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: your school administration to not collect immigration status data on
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: those students, then it will be harder for ICE to
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: even know that there are students in the classroom who
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: are undocumented. So that is like one way that we
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: can kind of approach this if you want to like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: put pressure in the right place.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question about that. So,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: but when you say not collecting immigration data, do you
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: just mean not collecting, for example, where a student was
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: born or they're actual immigrations.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Their actual immigration status or where they're born. Because ICE
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: is assuming that if you are not born in America
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: naturalized citizen, that you.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Are possibly portable. Gotcha.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: So ICE officers do have to have written authorities signed
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: by a judge and a judicial warrant. So what I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: would encourage you to do is come up with some
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: sort of protocol within your school. So ICE shows up,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: they go to the admin office. That admin office has
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a way to contact the teacher or if I shows up,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: whether it's at the bus, whether it is in the classroom,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: wherever it is, there's like an admin point person who
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: knows how to sort of check the warrant to ensure
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that the student idea is correct, that the judicial warrant
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is indeed signed by a judge, that they're actually like
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: checking the paperwork end of things. So having someone who's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: trained up in that for each school district I think
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: would be important, and that person could sort of collaborate
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: with an attorney to make sure that, you know, they
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: have all that in order.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: So by the administration, you mean like the principal or
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: the board, it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Would it would be specific to the school really in
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the district because like some teachers, I imagine in like
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a smaller school district, they'd be able to just talk
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to the superintendent and that person would be like any
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: ice activity you have to contact, you know, the point
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: person just to sort of stop these things that are
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: you know, happening right in the moment, or these spontaneous detentions.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I do know that a CLU of Ohio they're calling
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: in from Ohio, so I know that they they released
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a sort of memo for schools on immigrant student rights
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and how to prepare your district, and then something you
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: can do as a teacher. I'm thinking about your specific instance.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: You give us a very specific example of when you're
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: traveling with the students, something you can do is minimize
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: paperwork for you and your trip. Just it's just like
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a strategic forethought tactic you can take if you don't
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: have a list of which students is where, or if
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you're treating it as protected for a protected documentation that
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: can't be turned over and it's sort of held and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: housed in a confidential place like that where it's maybe
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: not on your person, but back at the school district
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: when you're traveling, that is a way that you can
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: sort of disrupt the ice activity of trying to track
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: down and locate a child who is traveling with you.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Is if you don't have it listed documented where said
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: student is staying, what room they're in, but that is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: not on your person. Is sort of the advice I'm
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I hope you can kind of read between those lines,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: because I can't really say exactly I understand.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I think I understand what you're saying, but I'm thinking
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: of sort of remembering back to when I was like
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: anytime I'm wondering how they would be able to do that, right,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: because anytime I traveled with school.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Past, we're protected. So okay, yeah, like stuff like that
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: so that you can easily just sort of keep it protected.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of people actually are deactivating face recognition on
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: their phone so that you have to use a pass
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: code in order to access certain information. So that's like
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: another thing you can do.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I've done that when I've gone to protest site. I
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: deactivated and you told me, right, yeah, to deactivate my
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: facial recognition.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yep. And then if you and the people that you're
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: traveling with for want to just be ready at any
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: stop to not answer questions about the students who are
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: on board the bus or staying in whatever hotel, So
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you would want to just memorize the script you and
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the chaperones that we do not share information about students
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: who are on board bus per FURPA. We cannot share
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the location, the names of what students are here. Please
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: contact my district administrator and that person will be able
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: to share with you who is where and who they are.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. SOPA is the Family Education Rights and Privacy.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Act, So it's a federal act that protects specific student information,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: so you can't school can't share certain information without the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: student's consent or the parents consent, so you would just
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: want to reference that. So there's like not a lot
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that I can really tell you to do because I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: can't advise you to harbor people. I can't advise you
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: to lie, I cannot advise you to violate school policy.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: So you have kind of nailed it with know your
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: rights and you can't really like impersonate a legal authority
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: or anything. So I just want you to be careful
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: because I know that this is like your job, so
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: really making sure that we are following the rules here.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: You can share no your rights protocols, and you should
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: follow the school policy. So I really want you to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: lean into the school policy piece because that is where
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I think you'll be able to affect the most change
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that you want to see, rather than you giving advice
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: to students. That is where I get kind of nervous. Yeah,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: but you can share resources with them. I think that's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: a great step.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: So I was going to suggest that either before going
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: on on a trip or just generally, especially given what's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: going on in the country at the moment sort of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and again it's been a long time since I've been
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: in school. I don't know if like there's a blackboard
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: or like a site or something, but if it's possible
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to share websites with students, like no, you're right, so
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that they understand and you can say to them, I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: can't tell you what to do, but you should look
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: into this for yourself that you know what to do
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: if something were to happen. Is that a way that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: they can get around that?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Could a teacher And again we want everyone people need
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: their jobs and we want you to sort of be
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: careful what you're doing in the workplace. But could a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: teacher potentially create like little cards to give out to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: students with links?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, and we have those pre printed, Like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: those are already set up. So when I was talking
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit about who's listed where and on what
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: forms or the trip, this would be a good way
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: to do it. What I meant was like if you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: had one binder just for you that had, you know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the full roster with emergency contacts, but then all the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: chaperones got one that was just like first names of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: students and where they were. That way, it wasn't everyone
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: had all this information. It was sort of contained in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: one place. But you know, no clipboards at the board,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: keep the roster out of sight. Those are things you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: can kind of do.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could. I just I wonder though, if there's like.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: A police officer who's like the parent of one of
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the students, maybe ask if they could be a chaperone
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: on the school trip. I know that. I mean, we've
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: seen police officers really butting heads with ice officers lately.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: They're not They're like they're the ice officers are different
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the people who couldn't get onto the police force. So
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of there's beef there. Yeah, for sure,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they failed the test, the test or they.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Were too lazy to do it or whatever it was,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: or they had a record.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: And then, like you mentioned, while you're at there's schools
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: for something like that, have a rule for the students
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: that if anything feels off or anything weird happens, I'm
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: going to defer to you on how to best communicate
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: to children. However you want to share that with them
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't alarm them. That basically, if shit goes down,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: we meet in front of the bus or in the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: second row of the bleachers or whatever it is, make
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: sure that you communicate verbally to them some sort of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: plan that if there is trouble, this is where we're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: going to meet. I think you would probably do that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: on any field trip anyway, but especially now if there
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: is a security issue. But and then memorize your script
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: of if someone asks you for student information or you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: run into ice or even a security guard, all requests
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: about student information go through our office administrator. Please contact
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Betsy in the office and she'll deal with you. Okay,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: people named Betsy, don't fuck around. Don't You don't want
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: to fuck with a chick in the office named Betsy,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: don't you don't. So for just like a general high
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: school teacher, not the teacher that's traveling, there is something
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you can do just to sort of like do no harm.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: As a teacher. You don't ask about people's social security numbers.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: You don't ask about immigration status. Like the less you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: know kind of the better, because then if they are
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: asking or pressing you, you really don't know. So that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: is a great way for you to sort of like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: do no harm. Avoid assignments or discussions that require students
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: to reveal family information. That is another big one, like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: sort of keeping keeping this sort of like a secret
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: for the family and for the student. Don't keep private
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: lists of families that you think are undocumented. Use neutral
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: language like families, caregivers, trusted adults, not citizens, non citizen stuff.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Don't get sort of like weight into that. Offer a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: private way for students to request help from you. I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: think that's an interesting way to sort of if there
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: is a discrete email or a box or a counselor
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: QR code something like that where students can sort of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: access assistance if they need it. I've seen a lot
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of schools host like a family preparedness night where they
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: invite families to come and sort of learn and just
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: be prepared whether you are a migrant or a citizen,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and then just be ready to say, like I cannot
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: talk to you about this, please speak to the principal's office.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Like just being able to say that with confidence. I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: think that is probably the best thing you can do
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: right now. Okay, a lot of this is possibly going
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: to change. I would not be surprised if we had
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: a new rule or if there was an incident or
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: something in the headlines where I did go to a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: school and it blew up and everyone got really upset
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: and there was public outreach, and then the rule changes
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a couple weeks later. So, like, I know, I can't
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: give you a lot to chew on right now, which
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: is really awful, but I am hopeful that there will
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: be some sort of change.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: And I think you can really go back to what
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, saying that you can as
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: a teacher, you can give your students access to resources
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: that are outside of the school so that they can
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: inform themselves. And I think you know what you said
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: earlier about not alarming them, I think that we should
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: be alarming them like this is hey, guys, this is
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: really serious because I mean, I understand that there are
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: kids who are not paying attention, but we need them
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to pay attention. We really do, and I think that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: as a teacher, you are in the best position to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I also think there will be a child that comes
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: home from your class and their parents won't be there,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: right that is going to happen to one of the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: teachers listening to the show. Make sure that student knows
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: that they can call you, or that they have someone
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: that they can call. I think that's really important. And
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: a very likely possibility for sure. Okay, well that's been
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: tails from the DMS, all your legal questions. What a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: bleak way to end this episode. We had a lot
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: of fun, but it ended on like a very sad note.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: It did end up a little bit of a dark note.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, though dark or not, we are
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: not just here to have a good time. Obviously we are,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: but it's also to provide everybody with as much good, solid,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: important information that you can take on to something else.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: So it is a little dark, but where we are
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: living in kind of darkish times. Yeah, we love to
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: keep key and hah, but we can't always.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: And just know that, like I guess, on the other
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: end of potential detention for either a student or those students' parents,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: there are people like me who are in court every
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: day working to get them out and we are winning
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and we are finding a lot of success. So I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: hope that is a little bit of hope for you
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: that if one of your students or families do run
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: into the system, that there will be a positive outcome.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Even if right, don't forget to submit a question for
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: next week and we're going to see you in court.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Never me.
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