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Ep.74-Tami Purcell-Burklund - Hall of Fame Jockey/All American Futurity Winner · StallioneSearch Podcasts

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  SPEAKER_04: It's the post All-American Trials weekend edition of the number one quarter horse racing podcast in the country.
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  SPEAKER_04: Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
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  SPEAKER_03: We strive here to bring you all the action.
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  SPEAKER_03: And of course, it's the place where the legends come and share a bit about their careers and accomplishments in the sport.
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  SPEAKER_14: It's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly, and we're ready to launch.
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  SPEAKER_14: Here it comes.
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  SPEAKER_12: And hello again, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_12: As well as analyze what happened this past weekend there at Albuquerque.
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  SPEAKER_12: And also to look forward to the future stakes races this coming weekend in the preview section.
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  SPEAKER_12: But we got a great featured guest this week.
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  SPEAKER_12: As joining us here on the podcast, without a doubt, the most accomplished female quarter horse racing rider of all time, Tammy Purcell Berkeley, will join us to talk to us about her career that included an amazing feat.
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  SPEAKER_12: I mean, three major things happen in her career that most other jockeys strive to reach.
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  SPEAKER_12: Some of the great ones we have in the Hall of Fame did not actually achieve some of the things that she was able to achieve in her career.
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  SPEAKER_12: And we were able to slow down and talk with her a little bit, as she is one of those on the go still, as she is in the barrel racing world and hard at it over there in that industry.
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  SPEAKER_12: But we're so grateful she took the time in order to tell us about Tammy Purcell the jockey here on Quota Horse Racing Talk Weekly, and we'll be right back after these words to get right into that conversation with her.
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  SPEAKER_14: Alright, let's get back to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_12: Alright, our featured guest this week is none other than Tammy Parcell Birkland, who has a tremendously unique story and avenue of how she actually got to prominence in the quarter horse racing world.
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  SPEAKER_12: There's going to be that obvious question of her competing against the males or pitting her against the males and just how it always plays out in the media, and I'm no different.
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  SPEAKER_12: And I do ask her that question, but the truth of the matter is it didn't matter what the gender was with Tammy Purcell.
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  SPEAKER_12: When Tammy was riding, and you can ask Baba Brosette, because I have, and you could ask plenty of the writers that had to compete with Tammy on a daily basis.
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  SPEAKER_12: Tammy was one of the toughest riders that they had run across, and it didn't matter whether she was a girl or not.
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  SPEAKER_12: And as you'll see in this conversation that I have with her, it's just the level of success that she was able to achieve in the horse racing world.
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  SPEAKER_12: And I you'll actually find out something that you probably didn't know about Tammy Purcell when you're listening into the podcast about her post-racing career, because I certainly didn't know that.
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  SPEAKER_12: I don't want to give it away in the intro here, so let me get out of the way and shut my mouth and let's get to this interview with Tammy Purcell, Berkeley.
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  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, thanks for joining us here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
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  SPEAKER_08: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_08: Looking forward to it.
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  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, let's just get jump right into it.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_12: Uh you not necessarily went right into your career as an adult in the horse racing world.
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  SPEAKER_12: As a matter of fact, I was told you were trained as a firefighter.
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  SPEAKER_12: So let's kind of get started there.
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  SPEAKER_12: Of of where the origins of getting over the racetrack, where did that actually begin?
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, I I don't remember everything, but my dad said when I was a little bitty, I always would come in the house and say, I'm gonna be a jockey, I'm gonna be a jockey.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_08: I don't rem even remember that.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I had graduated from high school and went into college and kind of really didn't know what I wanted to do, so I wanted to take a little time off.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, but mom and dad said I had to have a job uh if I wasn't in school.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I went out for the Austin Far Department.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh my grandfather was a farman.
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  SPEAKER_12: Did you uh come from a racing background or did you come from a racing family?
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  SPEAKER_12: Where did this out of the blue come that you wanted to be a jockey?
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, my dad um he had hotwalked some horses for my uncle uh that had uh played around with some racehorses on the brush tracks in Texas.
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  SPEAKER_08: And dad just kind of hotwalked for extra money before he ever even got married.
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  SPEAKER_08: And so really the racing was not I didn't grow up with it.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now I grew up rodeoing, uh high school rodeo and and play days.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I did grow up on the back of a horse and I liked everything fast, everything speed.
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  SPEAKER_12: As it pertained to the making your transition over to the racetrack, what was that bridge of the Austin fire department that led where did it come from?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_12: Where did you get over to the racetrack?
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, I was uh in the department I was actually into get cadet class, and I had just gotten stationed in Austin.
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  SPEAKER_08: So you work 24 on, 48 off.
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  SPEAKER_08: So in the 48 off, I was studying, but I had run into a gentleman in Austin at a restaurant, just got to visiting uh with him.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_08: He owned the restaurant, and he says, Oh, I'm starting with some race horses, and I'm gonna do this, and you would be a good site.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_08: We just kind of got into the horses talking, and I went out to his ranch and um kind of started piddling with some of his horses.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now he had never been in the racing industry.
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  SPEAKER_08: I could tell he didn't really know uh about horses even.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I just kind of helped with that.
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  SPEAKER_08: But I went to the track with him and he introduced me at Manor Downs to some trainers there.
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  SPEAKER_08: And uh Carl Woodley kind of I said, I need to make some extra money on these uh 48 hours off.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_08: So I started cleaning stalls and uh he started teaching me to gallop and just so that I could make some extra money.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_12: At that point in time, it was just kind of as you mentioned, to make some extra money.
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  SPEAKER_12: When did the bug bite you?
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  SPEAKER_12: Or you said, you know what, I'd like to be a race rider.
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, he um he actually got it was going really good, and he kept asking me, he says, Are you sure you haven't, you know, rode any racehorses?
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  SPEAKER_08: I was like, No, I just you know, I would kind of race my sister uh just in stock saddles at home.
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  SPEAKER_08: And um, so he let me breeze a horse, and from there I thought, I I think I want to try the next step because my main uh mindset was that I would make more money than working in the stalls.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_08: So then after I started breezing horses for people, and I thought, well, if I rode some races, I'd make more money than just breezing.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_08: So it just kind of it it actually just kind of fell in my lap.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then my very first race uh races, the trainer that I was working for, Marvin Shar Smith at Maynard Downs, his rider was a pretty big guy, and he was trying to reduce weight, and he got real sick, like trying to reduce in the summer, and he'd already rode on Saturday, and we had a couple of horses in on Sunday, and he was not going to be able to ride, and there was nobody left in the room.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_08: So I went over, got my license that morning, and rode three horses that Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_12: But it was give us your first inclination.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_12: I know that you had probably broke horses out of the gate prior to that race, but yes, give us the the kind of the jitters or or what were you what would have been going through a young lady's mind of I'm assuming that all nine of the other jockeys in the in the gate were were men, you were going up against them.
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  SPEAKER_12: What was the kind of the mindset of of a person getting in its first race going down the track there at Maynard?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I mean, I was like really excited.
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  SPEAKER_08: I didn't really think about the concept of the guys and me.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_08: I I didn't really separate I I don't know, I just wasn't raised that way.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_08: I was raised that if you want to do something, you can do something.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_08: You know, our chores, everything were done the same.
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  SPEAKER_08: I mean, my mother washed dishes, my brother, you know, had to do chores.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, so we just I didn't have that mindset.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, my biggest mindset was I knew the first horse I was riding.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_08: I'll never forget her.
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  SPEAKER_08: Her name was uh Campo Melody, and um she was not a good gay horse.
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  SPEAKER_08: And really, she I think her last two starts, she hadn't even got out of the gate.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I'm sure the other riders weren't even worried about me being in the race because they didn't think we'd get out.
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  SPEAKER_08: But she did flip.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh Marvin got me and it busted her head open, and it got her down, kicked the gates.
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  SPEAKER_08: I run last, and I had blood all over me.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_08: My dad thought it was my blood, and I said, No, it's not mine.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh, it was the horse's.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I think my dad really thought that was gonna be the end of it.
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  SPEAKER_08: Like that would have kind of it was the beginning of a huge spark.
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  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_13: All right, back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_12: So that was kind of your, I guess you would say, humble beginnings at Maynard Downs.
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  SPEAKER_12: A lot of your career, Tammy, was made over in the state of Louisiana.
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  SPEAKER_12: As a matter of fact, you were such a mainstay there at the Delta Evangeline Circuit for quite some time, and that's where I actually ran across and and knew of Tammy Purcell.
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  SPEAKER_12: What led you to go in that direction, especially it sounded like you got mostly started in Texas.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_12: What led you over uh east of the Red River over to Louisiana?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_08: Well, first the reason I went was um I I needed a uh Texas was not paramutual, uh Louisiana was, and I needed to get uh I was asked to go to Riodoza to ride a horse, but I didn't even have a paramutual license.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_08: And Riados in California, you had to go out there with horses, so I went to Louisiana to apply for my paramutual license, and it was the closest place for me to get.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, there was another girl actually riding a few horses there, uh, Pam Bass, and then Kim Stober was in Louisiana.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_08: So we kind of went and stayed with her overnight, and I couldn't even tell you the trainer.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_08: It was someone that hauled into, we worked a couple of horses out of the gates, and Fats at the time was the starter, and he approved my license, and that's how I got my paramutual license.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_08: Back to Texas, rode there.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I I mean, I had a great career going in Louisiana, and um I started working for Steve Van Beber, and we broke all the Colts there uh at Manor.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I was riding just loping a few horses for Donna and James MacArthur and for uh Arnold Simmons.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_08: And then I went, Steve asked me to go as his rider to Louisiana.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_12: When was that transition over to Louisiana?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_08: So that transition, I graduated in 79.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm gonna say it was like around 84, 85, because I remember all that spring of breaking the colts and stuff.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_08: And so we kind of went into winter, getting them their first out at Maynard, and then going into Louisiana for the summer meet there.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_12: During that early 80s, I mean, Louisiana's always been tough.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_12: It's one of the uh underlying things that people don't realize how just how tough the racing circuit in Louisiana is.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, and of course, some great writers in the room at the time kind of give me the lay of the land as it pertains to the writers that you were kind of rubbing shoulders with and competing against on a daily basis there.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like I was so lucky in my career that I got to study and watch like Don Tyree, you know, Alvin Brosette.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_08: They were the biggest riders for the quarter horse industries, especially in Louisiana.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so I set my mindset on identity and the top riders.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_08: Um, Don and uh Bubba or Alvin Brosette also conducted their business with a lot of class and uh were respected by the trainers.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_08: And so I wanted to model myself in that way also.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_12: What were some of the traits of those two riders that you try to model yourself out as it pertains to being on the back of the horse?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_12: What were some of the things or some some of the characteristics of Bubba as an example?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, they were quiet on the back of a horse.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_08: They were they were really in tune with their horses.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_08: They became a part of the horse versus what I call outside the horse, like ever too much whipping, or they just became a part and was in total rhythm with their horses.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_08: Uh and I think that's why their horses were so responsive to them.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_08: They weren't in the way of those horses, too much movement or trying too hard.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_12: Is going with uh Don Tyree and and and Bubba, these these guys were very successful at the time.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_12: When did you actually arrive to the point where you thought, you know, I I'm I'm actually competing with these guys?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_12: I'm you know, literally we're we're going neck and neck.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_12: There's there's nothing they can't do that I can't do myself.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_08: Um I I probably had that attitude from the very beginning.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_08: If I was in a race and they were in the race, I had just as much right to be there as they did.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_08: I I had a I had a lot of work to do, um, but they just set the standard for me, which I think that's for me was uh part of my success.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_08: I had to work harder, I had to be up earlier, I stayed later, and that's okay.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_08: That that was good for me.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_08: That just cataported me into a much better category.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_12: Uh Tammy, we don't talk enough about Steve Van Beber on this podcast as it pertains to the level of horseman and the level of success that he had as a trainer.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_12: You saw firsthand as being his first call rider at the time, and he's the one that brought you out to from Texas to Louisiana.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about the level of horsemanship that Steve exhibited in in your eyes.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_08: Me, Steve had so much determination and a lot of drive.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_08: Um, he had a knack for taking those horses and taking them like to the next level.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_08: He just had that knack and he could see it, and he had that drive and that determination.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, what was the kind of the first horse that kind of put you on the map?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_12: What was the first uh big name horse, the stakes race level horse that kind of gave you that oomph and and started getting maybe gave you some attention from other trainers there in Louisiana?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_08: Well, and the actually the horse that probably even put me in Steve's eye eyes was a horse from Texas that won um uh the Graham Farms Faturity down in Del Rio, which that was a whole nother end of the world that was had not seen women riding uh in that area, and that was the horse thinking about it.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_12: Who is a trainer on that one?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_12: I'm I'm not familiar with that one.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_08: Well, the uh and I'm trying and I'm actually trying, he did not train many horses, he was just kind of uh he trained for uh a gentleman at Cordell's is who owned the horse, James Cordell.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_08: And this was a young kid.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um the rider they wanted in the trials was riding another horse, so they let me ride thinking about it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_08: Coming back in the finals, the rider that was asked first to riding, they thought about putting him back on because they didn't think I had enough experience to withstand the pressure for the finals.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_08: And Mr.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_08: Cordell said, nope, we're not changing.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, uh as it pertains to the list of horses that you've been on the back of, uh, several of them jump out.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_12: And I don't definitely don't want to get ahead of myself.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_12: We got Corona Cash and Dashing Folly to get to, but what was the horse in Louisiana that really kind of really started winning some futurities for you?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_08: Well, and it wasn't just one, we kind of had such a because in Louisiana, like a lot of those Louisiana bred horses then they only run in the in the laddie or only run uh are only in the Louisiana breds.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_08: So it was kind of like I just started winning steak races on a lot of like not quite the horse picks.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_08: And to me, I think that was a big thing.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_08: So it wasn't one horse.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_08: Um, it was horses that maybe weren't quite picked, and they were coming in for me.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_12: Well, now we'll get to the big name horses, Tammy.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_12: Uh you know, one that jumps out, it's Toast Sadash.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_12: Uh he won the Texas Classic Virtuity on it.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about that that grade one winning horse.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_08: Um, he was such a fun horse.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_08: He actually he taught me a lot.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_08: Um, he he really taught me how to wait on a horse out of the gates.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_08: He he just had that big move away from the gates that he would get a little scrambly, uh, like a second jump.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_08: And so I learned on him that I could just wait, letting that balance back under, and that's when he excelled.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_08: So he taught me a lot about that stillness uh and applying what I watched from Donnie and uh Bubba on their horses.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_12: Another uh really nice horse that Cool Q Baby is another one that's uh she won the grade one uh AQHA Challenge Championship here at Lone Star Park.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, that that little mare was another really fun.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_08: She uh she was actually Gilbert Ortiz's mount, and Gilbert got hurt, and um they called me in to ride her, and it was like a big honor to get to ride her.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_08: She was at the top of her game.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_08: She was a lot like uh Dash and Folly.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_08: She just wanted to be good.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_12: Remind me, did Dash and Folly come before uh Corona Cash or was it the other way around?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_08: No, uh Dash and Polly did become well, she came first, but she didn't really come on until her three-year-old year.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_08: We had a hard time with her as a two-year-old.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_08: I see.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_08: I was with Donna MacArthur at the by the time we were breaking, we we broke uh Dash and Folly in Maynor.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_08: Uh and so that was the Jeremar Ranches that owned her.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_08: So we struggled with her.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_08: She was quite the outlaw as a two-year-old.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_12: With with Dash and Folly, Tammy Purcell really hit the racing headlines of national racing, is of course in the year of ninety-seven when uh you had the wonderful cur year with Corona Cash and Donna MacArthur.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_12: You had mentioned that you had met Donna and James there in Maynard Downs and kind of talk about the relationship that grew between you and the MacArthur's and that caused you to to become one of their go-to writers during that period of time of success.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I think they felt sorry for me.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_08: Donna had such a great part.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_08: They watched me.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_08: I was in one barn at Maynard, and I was actually sick, and I was cleaning like 22 stalls, riding horses, and the gentleman and his wife would show up really late, you know, or or leave early, and it was just me.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_08: And then all the grooms quit, and I never quit.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_08: And they came by and they were like, We gotta get her out of here, they're gonna kill her, you know.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_08: Like she's just uh exhausted.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, No, I gotta finish my job here.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_08: And finally, Donna started, you know, like having me gallop more for them.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_08: And the more I started galloping for different trainers at Maynard, the more I didn't have to work in the barn.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_08: All the I, you know, I didn't have enough money.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_08: I wasn't riding enough horses, so I needed the the stall cleaning job to, you know, make ends meet because I had done this time, left my fireman's job to hopefully become a full time jockey.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_08: So uh started galloping a lot of horses for Donna.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_08: And then they started putting on me on on uh at Maynor.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_08: And then James took me to San Francisco, and it's where I qualified uh good wine.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_08: It's for the Bay Not Faturity.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_08: I qualified good wine there.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_08: And I have to jump in and tell you, there was a writer that came in that rode for James and them.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_08: That was Bruce Pingleton.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_08: And he didn't know it, but I was studying him too.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_08: And he wrote almost everything for uh James and Donna.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_08: And when they went to California, uh he was kind of getting close to wanting to retire.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_08: And I he didn't go.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_08: And James let me, he said, nope, she's been working the horses here, faithfully.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna let her ride.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_08: So I qualified for the Bay Menace maturity there.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_13: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 22:47
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• 23:00
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• 23:42
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• 23:44
  SPEAKER_13: Alright, back to the show.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, during that period of time, uh when you had gone out to Bay Meadows, out to California, California's riding colony was probably as it pertains to the historical court horse racing background, I guess it would have been the the pinnacle with all of the huge names in there when you went out there.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about the the riders that you saw out there in California.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_12: These are guys that you'd only read about or seen about on television when you when they would show the champion of champions or show the all-American Futurity.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_12: So talk about going out to California.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, going out there was i it was just like a dream.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_08: I I couldn't believe I was standing in the just in the room.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_08: Uh we were all checking tack in and you know everybody there was showing me where my room is.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_08: I had no idea.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_08: Uh so I'd been out there like two weeks before just galloping horses.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_08: So I would see them on the track, but not close up.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_08: I was just, I was in awe and I was like, I don't leave here with anything, I'm gonna leave here.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_08: I'm watching these riders and I'm gonna learn something.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_08: So I felt like I was a little fish in a very big pond, but I felt like someday I'm coming back and I'm gonna be a bigger fish.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about the Corona Cash now.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_12: You you had mentioned your origins of you and Donna's relationship.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_12: How did the fact of picking up the mount for Corona Cash come about for you?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_12: And were you riding in Louisiana at the time, or did you have had Jude already moved your TAC?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_08: I had already moved.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_08: We were actually uh we were the second string, Donna and I was on the second string.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_08: We called ourselves the second string group.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_08: And James had everything basically in California.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_08: The number one horses are the ones that were paid up out there.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_08: We had everything at Weatherford, uh, Texas.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and so Trinity Meadows.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_08: We were there, Trinity Meadows, yes, we were there with kind of the backup horses or horses that weren't quite ready to go out there, finishing them up, getting them an out there at Trinity Meadows.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_08: And so I was now like I was one-on-one, I was Donna's rider, and I she faithfully, I know I made mistakes, she faithfully kept me on horses.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I was like, Donna, I probably shouldn't have done that.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_08: She goes, Well, you won't do it again.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_08: So she was such an asset in keeping me not knocked down.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_08: You know, she thought I was wonderful, whether I was or wasn't.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_08: But we were at Weatherford, they closed Weatherford, I'd gone home for Thanksgiving.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_08: They closed Weatherford down.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_08: James was getting ready to go.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_08: He needed to go to El Paso.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_08: We went first to Oklahoma City and then we left there and went on to California.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, we rode a meet at Remington Park and then left there.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_08: With we had a lot of cults at Remington that weren't quite ready, and so we left there and went on to California.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_08: And that's how we got uh Chrona Cash.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_08: She had qualified at Remington Park.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_08: I did not ride her, and she came back just kind of sore.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_08: And Donna and James were so good about this, they were like, if we run her back, she could be done.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_08: And I think she qualified for the consolation.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_08: So they sent her to California to us, and Donna was phenomenal, and I liked to do this too.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_08: I like to take that underdog and try to find something special about them and see if they can be better than they were.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_08: Well, Corona was horrible in the track, horrible in the gate.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_08: We ended up taking her blinkers off, and we ended up building a stall between the two horse walkers in California looking into the barn.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_08: She didn't like those cement walls.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_08: She wanted to look inside the barn.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_08: And so we decided we're gonna put her there.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_08: So I just spent a lot of time with her in California.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about when you knew this this was the horse.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about when you saw the talent that Corona Cash turned into when this first horse first emerged its talent and showed you that.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_08: Her her hugest when she really started showing us kind of when we went to her world and and put her where she could see in, she began to blossom, she began to eat, she began to just thrive.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_08: And then we gallop her and and she wasn't just a huge mare at that time uh when we were in California, but she just she just began to blossom.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_08: And we'd gallop her without the blinkers, and she we'd gallop with so much authority and just confidence.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_08: Like she was just a completely different horse.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_08: And then we come back for the trials out there, and she just didn't want to mess up.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_08: She she wanted to win.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_12: And you went on and won the the grade one governor's cut furity with her?
• 28:31
  unknown: Yes.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_12: And then, of course, it was on to the Ed Burke Memorial Faturity, which you know they obviously don't do it that way in the modern day.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_12: The Ed Burke is much earlier in the year.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_12: But the back in '97, the Ed Burke was and on August the first was when the Faturity was.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_12: The trials were on July the the 18th, so after he won the Governor's Cup Futurity, went on to the Ed Burke Memorial Faturity and come home a winner there.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_12: So assuming at that time that this horse it was known that this horse was paid into the all-American Faturity at the time and and that the Yes, and she just we had really thought, well, we'll just do this, and and we were we had really planned on just going ahead and running her out there and not running her the long.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_08: We didn't see ourselves going at from the very first of it.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_08: We didn't see ourselves going there.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_08: And then it was kind of like after the adverc was kind, she was just thriving off of every race.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_08: Like she was just getting bigger and getting stronger, and every race she was thriving, and she just had that mentality that she was looking for another race.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_08: And so that's when everybody got together and let's ship her out there, and so they uh flew her out, built her stall out with all the pony horses at Riadosa so she could look inside.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_08: We kept everything the same.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about her.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_12: They they wilt like a a flower with no water.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_12: I'm assuming she was one of those ones that just absolutely took to the the area of their Riyados and just blossomed.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_08: She did.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, from the day one we took we got her in, settled her in a little bit, and then from day one when we went to the track, you'd have thought she'd been there the whole time, had already acclimated, and you know, and we we knew like maybe that altitude would hit her after, you know, the trials, and it it just seemed to light another fire.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_08: Like every race lit a fire in her and kept just kept building and building and I I've never had one just build like that off of every race.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, take me to August the 14th of 1997.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_12: You're in the All-American Futurity Trials.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, you're in the fourth trial.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_12: Kind of take me to that day.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_12: You know, everything can happen at Riyadoso and it's all of a sudden.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_12: It always seems like it happens on All American Trial Day where you can see just about every variety of weather that you want to.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_12: Just hang in there.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_12: If you want to see the weather change, just give it about 30, 40 minutes and things will happen on, and it seems like it happens on the trial day.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_08: We, you know, anytime we had several horses in the trials because James called I rode one for James because uh Sam uh was hurt, and so I I rode in the troughs, and he actually set the fastest time in the troughs and by a long ways, and then I come back with Corona, and she the weather was good.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I mean, really the weather all day long stayed pretty steady for everybody, which is so not normal for the all-American.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_08: And uh she came back and just in the trials, probably her best race, but she ran a very steady race and and was qualifying.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_08: Then I came back, uh another trial race for Carl Gilry and qualified with the 10th fastest time.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_08: So I had three in the finals, and that was kind of like a mind-blowing thing for me.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_12: Yes.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_12: Here's a here's a girl that didn't enter the world in the racing world and was going to be a firefighter, and now you have your choice of three runners going into the the all-American Faturity, the the biggest race of them all.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_12: So clearly, I mean, just talk about your mindset as a writer at that time.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_12: But here you are going in there and and you're you're competing at that level.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, you know, uh talk about your confidence level at that time, Tammy.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_12: That you had to been on on Cloud9 of uh and especially thinking that you were just as good a writer as any writer in the nation.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and it was, you know, first you kind of go to pinching yourself, you know, is this a dream?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_08: Then I've got to choose one of them, which they gave me the choice to choose whatever I wanted.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_08: But I'm thinking, you know, not only I you're thinking I can just get one in, you know, and concentrate on that, and then you've got that happening.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_08: But for me, yes, it it was a dominated uh men's world, but my mindset for me, I couldn't allow to think that.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_08: I couldn't allow um I had a lot of interviews, you know, when I did qualify.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_08: I had a lot of people, well, you know, what's some of the bad things that has happened to you?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't go there.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_08: I said I I can't, I can't let that enter my mind.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_08: I have to stay completely positive, I have to do the best I can, and the chips will fall where they may.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_08: And that was something my parents taught me too.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_08: They were like, you know, whatever you decide to do, do it with everything you got.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_08: Try to give more than anybody else does, you know, put your best foot forward and stay and stay who you are, stay a lady.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_08: And they're like, you know, you can get down and and get dirt all over you, but you don't have to act, you know, something else.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_08: And so that was my mindset was to just just do my thing, no matter what anybody said or wanted to think what's happening.
• 34:20
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• 34:23
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• 35:19
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• 35:28
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• 35:37
  SPEAKER_13: Alright, back to the show.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_12: With three qualifiers in the All-American Faturity, was it a tough decision to make, or did you always have your mind set on Corona Cash and that was going to be the one I wrote?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think I right off the bat because I did get to go I galloped each one of them back uh before I said in my heart I really couldn't pull off of uh Corona.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_08: Her and I just kind of had meshed.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_08: So I didn't think that was fair to her, and I just felt like uh Donna believed in me completely.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_08: I I don't know, she just came back so good, and I knew how honest she was, and I was like, I'm staying with my girl.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_08: I said I think that's the right thing to do.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_12: So fast forward to All American Day, Labor Day of 1997, and you're on Corona Cash.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_12: Take me back to that day, Tammy.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that day, that was the only horse I had in.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_08: So I would have rather rode the whole card and run dead last and then rode that, but I don't that was the only one I had in.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_08: I had stayed out there two weeks to train with her and and be with her.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't want a gallop person on her.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_08: I wanted to be the one that was with her.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_08: I helped hand walk her, I was there every morning with her.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_08: And so that day came and my whole family was out there and had come and stayed, and I just kind of hung with them a little bit.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_08: I did my whole exercise program that I always did every morning, went and ran several miles and went and ate good food that Miss Billy Hunt's mom cooked, she was cooking in there.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_08: So I remember back, oh, she made me the best sandwich that day.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_08: I'll know everything was just so good that day.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_08: Uh sat with my family, some up in the grandstands just a little bit, and then went back down there, I think around the six six seventh race, took a good nap, and Ballot came and got me up, like when they started the consolation, went from there.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_12: Now you got your silks on, go out to the paddock, Donna legs you up, and here you're out going on to the the racetrack, assuming the horse warms up well.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_12: Uh take me it from the gate to the wire, Tammy.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so Mark Willett, who is our assistant trainer, he ponied me.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_08: And um I remember we kind of he he was a little he was like, How's she feel?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_08: How's she feeling?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_08: I was like, sh she feels like herself.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, she's doing everything she always does.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_08: Like she would kind of squill a little bit when you first make that turn to start jogging off.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_08: She'd always kind of squeal.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_08: And she squilled, and so I'm like, she's right on target, she's doing everything she's done in every race, the last six races.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_08: I said, She's good.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_08: So we were in the tin hole, and when we made it back there, and we were kind of walking, waiting for the headman to take her.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_08: And uh Mark said, he goes, No, don't be nervous, just relax.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm like, I asked him, I said, Do you wonder like if there's any bears looking at us?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_08: And he just looked at me and said, Where is your head in this game?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_08: And we laughed, and I said, It's in the game.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_08: I said, I just trying to get your mind relaxed.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_06: And so we laughed and bumped fist and we loaded up, and she stood like an angel and a corona cash from the outside, Royal Imperfect, accusatory right there.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_06: Flies are dropping honores, it's wide open.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_06: Here's a late charge, dashing is easy, picking them up, laying them down, flies are dropping the action on the outside, Royal Imperfect, Corona Cash, Corona Cash, flies are dropping.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_06: These two are on the wire.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_12: And take me to the wire.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_08: We had talked about whether she a lot of horses in that tin hole, especially the babies, you know, they have a tendency to to drift out, um, they kind of go out.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_08: And I just didn't feel like she would.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_08: Uh she just didn't have that.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I said she's gonna run a straight line.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_08: And I knew when I left there, I was like, there's a good possibility this is mine.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_08: And uh and I just kept thinking, don't override, just let her work, let her work, let her work.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_08: And then at the end, this is yours, let's get it.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_08: And she just dug in again, and I knew it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_08: I knew when we hit the wire.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_12: Describe the obviously you're you're giving us an indication of the feelings of the emotions that were grutting through you when you hit the wire, but I mean, going back to it, this is this is a writer that got started in little old Maynard Downs and wrote a a a lot of her career over there in Louisiana, which it's it's very rare to have success from Louisiana over on the mountain.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_12: It happens, it's happened.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_12: However, it's not something that happens all the time.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_12: Here you are, uh writer that's had predominantly been in Louisiana.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_12: Now you're crossing the wire in a gr in the all-American fraturity.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_08: And I and a lot of things like would come back, came back to me like, oh, there were so many thank yous.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_08: I remember standing up and telling her thank you, but I remember, you know, thinking about all the people believed in me.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_08: You know, these dreams, you know, are uh achievable no matter what.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I had some really you know good things that that brought me along.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_08: Um and I can back up a little bit because when I first went to California, one of my other big thank yous was uh Bubba Cashko and James MacArthur signed for my paramedical license in California.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_08: And I rode out there a little bit, I babysitted a little bit for Danny Cardosa, but I had to come home.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_08: I I did not have enough experience to be out there.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_08: When I rode the All-American, I felt like I was ready.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_08: Uh you know, I I felt like I I could do my horse justice.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_12: And I've kind of gotten in front of myself here, Tammy, because that was in '97.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_12: But in in the year prior to, you had another dazzling horse that you were on, uh Dash and Folly.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_12: And as you mentioned, Dash and Folly didn't have the the most productive two-year-old season and came alive as a three-year-old.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_12: And it looks like it all started there in Maynard Downs, but the real big handicap that you got started in was the town policy in May.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_12: And from from there you won four four straight before you went and won the grade one Millie Vessels.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, she was something.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_08: So when we broke her as a two-year-old, she was pretty walled.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_08: Like we'd have I'd have her in the stall, and they were like, okay, look, can we come out of the stall?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_08: Well, she just broke and run with me, almost went through a barbar fence with me.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_08: And so we're like, well, we need back in the well, through getting her broke as kind of wiry and waspy as she was, she she kind of got herself sore.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_08: And they ran her uh as a two-year-old in the trials, and she she did the same thing.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_08: She just came back really shin sore, and uh, but was like she'd run all over the place, and she was just so fast, but she just didn't excel.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_08: So she came to us at Maynard.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_08: Uh Donna and I had her there, and we kind of had her ready for our start.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_08: We were holding our breath and we put her in the maiden fraturity.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_08: She won the trials, won the maiden fraturity, and then we took her on to California with us and started her out there.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_08: And she just same thing, but she was so fast away from a set of gates, just so fast.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_08: And uh with her not being sore, she was just was so much fun to ride.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_12: I count six total wins, actually five total wins out in California before you get into the trials of the low-style derby.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_12: Win the trial there and then come back and just runs runs a huge race as a three-year-old in a low-style derby to win.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_12: And then, of course, you're eligible.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_12: This horse has has earned a birth into the champion of champions, and and this pre-writes the all-American Fraturity.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_12: So, as mentioned in the interview, I got ahead of myself here.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_12: So this is truly the I guess the large race, the first gigantic race in your career that you've won both of both of the uh both ends.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_12: You've won the All American and you've won the champion of champions.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_12: Take me to that 1996 champion of champions on Dash and Folly.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_08: So in California.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_08: She would kind of go in the gates, we'd take her blinkers off.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_08: She didn't like, she couldn't see.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_08: And uh so she would get in the gates, and there was a time like a deal that she would do in the gates, and she would just kind of not rear up high, but just kind of lift up.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_08: We called it tilting, and she just kind of come off her feet and kind of move her head just like she was looking.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_08: And we always teased that she was just on out the competition.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_08: You know, we teased about that.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_08: So in the champion of champions, she's in there and we're waiting.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_08: We're like, tilt, tilt, and she never comes up.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_08: And then finally, I said she's gonna come up when they kick off.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_08: Finally, she kind of tilted up a little bit and came back down and they kicked off her and she was gone.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_08: She was serious about her racing.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_12: Crossing the wire with the 1996 uh champion and champions winner, as mentioned, that is your big first big race that you had won.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_12: Talk about the emotions there.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_12: It's this this Philly's basically or she this mayor's put you on the map there.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, she did.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, so much thanks for Donna for allowing me to document that mayor and and be a part of that mayor's career.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_08: Because I was still green and I was in California, and that was uh, you know, most of the riders didn't know was that was a big part of of of me learning was setting and studying and studying the riders, you know, uh all of those that were out there uh that I had an opportunity to ride with.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um so I just tried to take it and kind of make a mindset of how I wanted to look on a horse off of the other riders.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_08: And so all of that they gave me, and that's where I learned.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_08: So I didn't think I could do anything just by myself.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_08: I had to watch and learn.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_12: 1996 also saw Dash and Folly be announced there at the AQHA award ceremony as the world champion '96.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_12: And you know, clearly there's been a lot of firsts in your career, and I'm sure that I'm not the first reporter to keep pointing it out, but you're the first female to win the only you're the only female to win the champion of champions as a writer.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_12: You're the only female to win the All-American Fraternity as as a writer.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, and also that also leads to I'll get to it later in in the interview here, but you're also the first writer of female that was inducted into the uh Riadosa Racehorse Hall of Fame as well.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_12: There's a lot of lot of big events that have happened in your career.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I know, and I can't hardly believe it.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_12: Now that you're doing something other than race riding, uh certainly not as a jockey.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_12: I know you were still in the barrel world, but as it pertains to before we get to the the kind of the the last stretch of your career, looking back on those three events of being recognized in the Hall of Fame or winning the champion of champions or winning the All-American Futurity, a which one you get asked the most about?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_12: And then the other question is what which which one means the most to you?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_08: I get asked mostly about the All-American.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_08: That seems to be what even people that aren't huge into racing but maybe into some equine, you know, they uh they ask more about that.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_08: Uh that one I think was a little more publicized um out there.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_08: Uh so that one gets asked the most.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_08: And then as far as the most important, I can't answer that.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_08: I can't pick one.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_08: I would probably have to say my the most important race was my very first race.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_08: It set everything in motion.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_12: You set a goal and you reached a goal.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, is it after you've won those two, you had those two blockbuster years back to back.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_12: 96, you were on the world champion throughout the entire run on Dash and Folly, and then the next following year you go off and win the Governor's Cup.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_12: You win three great ones in a row, capped off, of course, by the All-American Fraturity.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_12: With that level of success, did it spawn more business for you?
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_12: Other trainers started giving you mounts and started noticing you.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, I know that the quarter horse world is kind of quirky as it pertains to they have their first call rider galloping everything and they ride everything in the barn.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_12: So but but it sometimes it does lend the opportunity when you have multiples in a race that uh that that they reach out.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_12: Did you see that that level of success that you were having in ninety-six and ninety seven propelled your business?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_08: I yes, I did.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_08: I and I think it um it elevated to a quality of my business, not by choice, but had to pick and choose uh a little bit or where I would be um flying in and out.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_08: So yeah, suddenly uh an elevation in that which sometimes it was very hard because you didn't I don't like turning horses down because you know you had to pick.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_08: And sometimes you didn't always make the right pick at that time.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_08: But I do think uh if anything running into trainers where it was on the track track or anything, it was a just a different era whether they rode me or not.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_08: And so I'm grateful for that.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_12: Timmy, you you you went out to California and you rode against some what we call the the legendary jocks room of all time, but also you rode with some absolute fierce competitors up in Remington Park at the time.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_12: That was Jackie Martin country, GR Cut GR Carter, and of course, then you know we had the the the Bubba brossets down in Louisiana.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_12: Which one stands out with to you as being your career kind of like the that fierce most fierce competitor throughout your career as it pertains to Jock?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_12: Is there one that stands out for you?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_08: Well uh actually I would probably say Jerry Nicodemus.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_08: Jerry, I rode with Jerry probably in in the 80s, like the ear like very early 80s.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_08: I was just starting to ride, and I actually got called to Riodoza to ride two horses in the trials.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, this was way back in the 80s.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_08: I had no business of going, but I said, I'm gonna go check this out and see if this is something I I'm interested in getting out there because I always heard about the mountain, the mountain.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_08: And so I went out there and always heard about Jerry, you know, watched Jerry from a distance.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_08: So Jerry and Jackie were good friends, and they were the top two riders there.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_08: I rode my first horse, he was 50 to 1, it was raining, it was cold, and I'll never forget those two asked me, they were like, Where are your mud silks?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm like, Well, I don't really know what mud silks are, and I probably can't afford them yet.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_08: So I don't have any.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_08: Well, yeah, I I have Jackie's jacket and I have Jerry Nicodemus's a pair of his pants, and they gave me those, and they were like, Well, if you're gonna get out here and even try, you got enough guts to try, we're gonna at least help you out a little bit.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_08: So I appreciated them doing that, and you know, that was a a big inspiration to me.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_12: So Tammy, when it came time for you to hang up your your your riding tack and at least the first time around, I I won't yeah, I we'll get over to the the when you came out of retirement and re road in Louisiana, but what how did you arrive at the first time?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_12: When did you know it was the right time for you to pull away from the sport and and what were the circumstances that were surrounding that?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_08: Um for me it was my final big goal in the life was a family and children, and I knew uh you know, I knew as a woman in this industry the toll it could take on you.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_08: And I was, you know, getting getting some age on me, and I thought it would be a good time to step down now.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_08: And I had uh met my first husband at the time and thought, you know, I really wanted to put in to as much as what I put into my career as into my family.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_08: I thought to do it right, I'd have to do it that way.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_12: We were inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2020 in Redo.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_12: So can you remember getting the call and saying you were being inducted?
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_12: And not only that, you were also being inducted the same year as Donna MacArthur.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, that was uh yeah, it couldn't have been any better.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_08: Donna and James, you know, they were my parents on the road uh and looked out after me.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_08: So Donna and James just meant the world to me.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_08: And then the chair Mar Farms, which was James's brother.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_08: So that was family to me.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_08: So to even be included, that just was kind of mind-boggling.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't know for sure if I really deserved that.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_12: Jimmy, uh g give me the year that you made the the brief comeback.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_08: Um, that was 2000 and well, actually two into 2013 and 2014.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_08: So I had gotten a call to ride in a all women's jockey challenge, all retired jockeys.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_08: I was the only quarter horse rider going to ride um the uh preakness.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, we went to the preakness.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_08: So this is like the so we went and rode there uh for the jockey challenge, and then the preakness is like the next day.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_08: So I started going out to San Antonio and working some horses for a third road trainer, so I was gonna be riding thirds, and I said, I got you know, I gotta get my game back on here a little bit.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_08: And I was in shape, I was riding girl horses and training girl horses, but I needed to kind of get my bearings back on the racehorse.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_08: So I started doing that, and then Toby, he when he was at San Antonio, he started asking me to work some horses out of the gates groups.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_08: I said, Well, that'd be good.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_08: So I was doing that, and then I get a call to ride uh Louisiana cartel.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_08: They called and they had a baby out of Corona Cash, and they said, We know she doesn't have any races left, we want to run her in the Mother's Day safe in Louisiana, but we want to make this sense.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_08: They had both just lost their mom to cancer.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_08: And would you come ride her?
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm like, guys, I haven't been on any racehorses in a race.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_08: That's not fair to her.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_08: They're like, we don't care win or lose, we want you on her.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_08: And so I agreed.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_08: So at that time we tried we made it bigger.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_08: So they had a set of silks made with the breast cancer logo on it, and the pants, and what we put out on Facebook was if you are fighting cancer, lost a loved one to cancer, or have beet cancer, and want to go on the ride of your life, send us your name.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_08: We'll put your name on the silks, and they'll run in the Mother's Day Stakes.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_08: And so that's what we did.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_08: There was not a my silks were almost black.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_08: And so that's what we did.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_08: And then we come back and they ran her at Remington Park, and she won the stakes race there, wearing the same silks.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_12: And so that kind of spurned spurned you to kind of do a kind of a mini comeback.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_08: I did a mini comeback.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_08: Heath Taylor called me, and what he had a horse that was in Ledbetter, Texas, not far from where I lived in Louisiana.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, in Texas, and he said, We need a rider for this horse in the firecracker for Louisiana, and to ride in the trawls, hopefully we make it.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_08: I said, Okay, so I was going and galloping him.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_08: He was not a very big horse, and we qualified him.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_08: I think we qualified fifth or fourth classes, and he came back and won the firecracker.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_08: So I kind of went back, I talked to my husband, uh, and I said, you know, I think I want to ride a little bit.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_08: And so we agreed, and I but I told him, I said, I can't just stay at the track 24-7.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_08: I I'll come back and forth.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_08: So I was going to Evangeline and doing good, qualified for the million at Adventureland.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_08: I rode the million, I was gonna ride the whole next year for him, first call rider.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_08: I ran fifth or sixth, and when I stepped off that horse, I and I said, Nope, I'm done.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_08: Uh-huh.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_08: I told my husband, I said, I'm not I'm done.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not riding anymore.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_08: And I just felt like that God had graced me so well in my career, and then I will come back career because several years ago, in uh right right before I had Roku with Q Baby, I went down, broke my collarbone at Benjamin, and I thought, you know, this is my choice.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_08: I can walk off, and that's what I'm gonna do.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_08: So I felt like I was graced and I was done.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, you're now doing a lot of stuff in the barrel world and could talk about the transition.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, you know, it's it's certainly related, but talk about the transitioning into becoming uh the in that barrel world and the things that you're doing in the barrel world.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_08: Well, um, I had always run barrels as a kid.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_08: So grew up that's kind of was my start with horses.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so always had that, always wanted to go back to it, always liked it.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_08: Well, when I was in California with Corona Cash and with um Josh and Polly out there with Donna, I had a horse that was ruled off the racetrack.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_08: He was a Biduino, and I ended up getting him, I kind of rescued him.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_08: And California was a very lonely place for me.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_08: Um my family was in Texas, I'm very family oriented.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_08: So I took the horse out there, Elliot, and he was kind of outlaw, he'd gotten ruled off the racetrack, and just started fiddling with him and working with him on ferrels and not even thinking about it, but he ended up taking me to two National Finals rodeos.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and I was still racing just a little bit off and on, but uh in 2000 and 2001, I went to the NFR on him.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_12: Wow.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_12: I was unaware that you're of your participation in the NFR.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_12: And you you said you qualified twice into the NFR.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_08: Twice, yes, sir.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, you're just full of full of accomplishments.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I didn't know.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_08: I'm full of life, that's for sure.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_08: I like living life.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_12: Tammy, I so appreciate you coming on here on Quote Horse Racing Talk and talking about your racing career and some of the great horses that you've been able to get on.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_12: And I and I've been wanting to do this for a long time uh to get you on, and we've got mutual friends and all.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_12: And absolutely appreciate you coming on here, Tammy, and talking about the career, and uh certainly look forward to seeing you.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_12: I always uh just all of a sudden I'll see Tammy Purcell and there, there you are on a at a racetrack or whatever event we're in, and so but I absolutely appreciate you coming on talking about your career.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I appreciate it.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_08: I'm very honored.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you for thinking of me.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_04: Did you know four of ten All-American Futurity qualifiers this year are Riadoso Select Yearling graduates?
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_04: And four of the ten of the All-American juvenile are Riadoso New Mexico bred yearling sale graduates.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_04: So here's a simple equation everyone can understand.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yearlings times the Riadoso sale equals success.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: It seems simple when you think about it.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_04: See you at the New Mexico Yearlink sale on August 15th, and at the Select Yearlink sale on September 4th and 5th.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Last week's Lazy E headlines were that industry-leading Flying Cowboy 123 moves to Lazy E for the 2027 breeding season.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_03: This week's headlines read Lazy Eastallion Flying Cowboy 123 qualifies four into the$3 million All-American Futurity, four into the Grade 1 All-American Oaks, and four into the All-American juvenile.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: As Flying Cowboy 123 bolsters an already stout roster that includes Grade 1 Super Derby winner Big Lou, the legendary Corona Cartel, the number one second crop sire in the country, Cyber Monday, and one of the all-time leaders, first down dash.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: The grade one winning, grade one producing sire Kiss My Hawks, and his son and grade one winner himself, Kempton.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: Another top-leading sire in PYC painter wagon, champion aged stallion Unrelentless, and multiple grade one sire of three champions and five millionaires, Valiant Hero.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_03: All these sires standing at Lazy E Ranch in Guthrie, Oklahoma.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, back to the show.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_12: Alright, we're back here in the recap section looking at Wyoming Downs for the Ron Cook accredited Wyoming Bread Futurity.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_12: For two-year-olds going 330 yards,$211,000 purse on the line, and here's the call.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_05: And uh Faroff in the Wyoming Bred Quarter Horse Futurity Final.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_05: Billy's high returns out in the center.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_05: ER Innocent Party down inside, top shelf and on the far outside, living the dream.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_05: Final 110.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_05: It's ER Innocent Party from JLM Maggie's last stance just in front of ZR Innocent Party.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_05: ER Innocent Party wins the Wyoming Brad Quarter Horse Futurity Final under Luis Valenzuela.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_12: ER Innocent Party comes home a winner.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_12: For owner Ross Brown and Elsa McGarry was trained by Ross Brown and written to victory today by Luis Valenzuela.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_12: Ross Brown and Elsha McGary were the breeders of this Wyoming bred son of He's Innocent out of the Papacito Mare Papas Party.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_12: Pushed its earnings to$124,000 after this win here in this accredited Wyoming bred futurity.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_12: Now we're headed out to Los Alamitas, the John Deere Juvenile California Regional Challenge stakes for two-year-olds going 350 yards,$45,000 on the line, and a berth into the John Deere Juvenile later in the season at Albuquerque for the finals.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_11: And here's the call from Michael Rona.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_11: Racing Cape Blanco was leaning outwards and bumped off Candy Dragon.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_11: Out wide political comment and KRA political run.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_11: Near the inside Texas Cowgirl 1-2-3 and Cape Blanco.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_11: It's KRA Political Run with the lead from Cape Blanco and KRA Political Run beats Cape Blanco and Texas Cowgirl 1-2-3.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_12: KRA Political Run comes home a winner for trainer Juan Alamon, for owner breeder Tid Ranch, and was ridden by Jesse Gonzalez at the wire.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_12: As this filly is an apolitical blood filly, out of the walkthrough Firemare, I like the way she runs, who broke her maiden in this performance to get into the finals there in Albuquerque in the John Deere Juvenile Challenge.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_12: And now we'll head out to Indianapolis for the horseshoe Indianapolis Classic Stakes.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_12: For three-year-olds and up going 400 yards,$84,000 on the line there at Horseshoe Indianapolis, and here's the call.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: Tatcha's Secret right into action for the inside.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: Tatcha's Secret has won it from uh AP Miss Luna's Tide along with Flying Cowgirl and Candy Spice after the 400 yards.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_12: There in the classic stakes in Indianapolis was an objection and a disqualification, with the Stewards assigning AP Miss Luna Tide as the winner.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_12: The Indiana Bred AP Miss Luna Tide comes home a winner.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_12: There in the classic stakes for trainer and owner Oscar Preciado, as its Riptide Mare wins her first race of 2026, pushing her earnings to over$154,000 as she is out of the Mr.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_12: Jess Perry mare, just ready to wear.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_12: And now it's time to review some of the top races there at Albuquerque for the All-American Fitchurti, the Derby, as well as the Oaks.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_12: As we invite one of our friends of the show here on the podcast to discuss what he saw and some of his takeaways from the All-American Trials.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_12: Very hot weekend there in Albuquerque, first and foremost, to uh kind of throw that out there.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_12: But not only was the temperature hot, but boy, the times were just blazing hot there.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_12: So kind of give us your takeaways of what you're kind of seeing coming out of these trials for these three big great ones.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think, Greg, that the fact it was hot weather and that environment have something to do with the fast times.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, ball players always say that they love to hit in hot weather because the ball travels further.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure that's not true of these horses, too.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, here we were, a mile high, hot weather, a fast racetrack, most of the races, no perceptible headman, and it just made for you know super fast conditions.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if one if one horse would have run, you know, way faster than the others, we would have raised our eyebrows, thought it was an anomaly or something was wrong.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: But they were all running fast.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, GFC sensible, that was almost unbelievable.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you look, every horse in the top five of the of the Derby ran under under 21 seconds.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it just was a scale that we haven't seen speed-wise in a long time.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_12: Yes.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this was just a whole day full of, or three days full really, of good horses running fast.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: It just took the it took the scale to a whole new level.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean it's like we returned to the Bob Gibson era when the ERA was one point two, you know, instead of instead of three and a half to be considered a good venture.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: So just a whole different uh set of trials.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we just have to judge them on their merits relative to each other, not historically or any other uh, you know, any other reference.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_12: Well, Tom, I'm gonna put you on the spot.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_12: Of course, we're gonna throw out GF She's sinful of that performance.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_12: Clearly, that was one of the standout performances there, but I I'm asking you for two other standout performances that uh you saw this weekend that was worth talking about.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, political twist.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the thing about him is that he does it just about every time.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you and I have both seen a whole lot of good two-year-olds or great two-year-olds come back and not be as good at three.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's an exception.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: He he may be better.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: He may be better at three.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was a fantastic performance.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the other one that I think really deserves mention is is Cowboy Sly.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: He won those two securities in Texas City.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: He ships up to the Albuquerque from Ratama uh like 12, 13 days later and runs and sets that kind of time.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a fantastic performance.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_12: Not only that, there was an amazing crosswind that came during his performance.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 13, 14 miles an hour.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I couldn't tell when I was standing out there three race.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't tell if it was gonna help him or hurt him.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I sure don't think it helped him, you know.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: But he just cut down through there at about the 200-yard mark, 250 mark.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: He just, it was like he shifted, you know, to overdrive.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was just, it was an amazing effort.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, when horses do that, you hold your breath the next time thinking, wow, did that take too much out of them, you know, and are they gonna be able to come back and do it again?
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think the three, what, three and a half weeks between trials and finals is gonna be a help to him.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_12: Without a doubt, because he he recently had ran prior to that race and had short turnaround before he went into the All-American trials.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_12: I was walking back with our friend, mutual friend, Felix Chavez of El Paso Times, and I was telling Felix, I just have never seen a horse run that huge of a performance in the trials and then come back and answer the bell when it comes to the finals.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_12: And so that's the only thing I'm concerned, and you pointed it out there.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_12: But Tom, we absolutely appreciate you getting on here on the podcast and get giving us your takeaways of this big weekend of trials out there in Albuquerque.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was amazing, Greg.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: The whole weekend.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: I look forward to the finals.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_12: Thanks again, Tom.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_12: Yancy, I know you were at home watching intently of all these trials and and seeing how good your picks were.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_12: We were doing the preview last week, but talk about some of your takeaways from the All-American trials.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_12: Uh and so you told me that you were really impressed with some of the ones that are in the derby.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, one horse that really stand out stood out to me is the diesel train.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_10: The the ninth trial was a loaded trial.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, it had Louisiana Man, it had Investor, it had uh JC Speeding.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_10: It was basically a stakes race, and the diesel train comes up and beats them all pretty easy.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_10: And this horse, he's hit or miss, he's a hand handful in the paddock, he's always hard to saddle, sometimes he even gets scratched, he's a handful in the gate.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_10: But when he's right, I mean he proved that he can beat any of the three-year-olds that were in the ninth race.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_10: So the diesel train really stood out to me on on trial day.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_12: Right.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_12: He and also he's loves Albuquerque.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_12: We always talk about horses for courses.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_12: Last year in the All-American trials ran a huge, huge performance to qualify to get into the All-American Futurity.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_12: I believe he was the fastest qualifier from one of the days last year.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_12: Comes back and gets into the Derby here, just shows that he just really loves it there in Albuquerque.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_10: Two more that I really like from the trials and that I put down that I'm looking for him to run way better in the finals is M Force and King of the Tide.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_10: I think these were prep, they prep for this race all year.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_10: It's hard to come and run 440 the first time, no matter how long you've been off the altitude's hard to get used to.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_10: And I think M Force and King of the Tide, they showed how much talent they had last year.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, it's the All-American Fraternity Winner and the Golden State Fraternity winner.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_10: So I look for both of these horses to be a lot tougher in the finals having that prep race under their belt of the trials.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_12: All it took is for them to get into the race in order for them to have a chance.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_12: But as you were mentioning, Yancy, that's all it took.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_12: And there they got just a great opportunity once the gate opens and everybody's on an equal playing field of getting down the racetrack and running a huge effort there.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_12: So but Yancy, we'll be right back after these words where you and I are gonna jump into the preview section this coming week.
• 1:11:07
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  SPEAKER_13: Alright, back to the show.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_12: Alright, we're back, ready to jump into the preview section here this week, going into a huge weekend of racing as well.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_12: There's lots of there, including a lot of these AQHA challenge races happening there in Iowa at Preterie Meadows, and we'll jump right into looking at some of those nice races out there.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_12: As a matter of fact, Yancy, I would almost say that some of these are some of the top challenge races I've seen thus far this year.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, these fields were loaded.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, there's a lot of strong horses that shift into Iowa to run.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_12: And those listening out there that don't put their horse into the challenge program, be sure to do it.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_12: It's just such a great program.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_12: You'll get to run for such high levels of purses as well as gives your horse an opportunity to prolong his career and have something to run at.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_12: With that being said, let's jump right into the Adequan Prairie Meadows Derby Challenge stakes.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_12: $48,000 on the line, 400 yards qualifying here means that you qualify to get into the finals there in Albuquerque.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_12: And tell us who you like in this one, Yancey.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_10: I went with the seven fast draw.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_10: This is a Mooning the Eagle Gelding.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_10: Uh he's had four starts, three wins on the year.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_10: He's three for three at Iowa.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_10: Uh two starts back, he won the Iowa double gold for Derby.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_10: Looks like he's really coming to his own at Prairie Meadows.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_10: And Edward R Edward Ross Hardy is the trainer.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_10: He always has runners at Iowa, so I think fast draw is the horse to beat.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_10: Another horse to talk about in this race is the five, Jess Flastic Cash.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_10: This is uh just good candy, Philly.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_10: Comes out of the top connections, Jason Olmsted, Romero Garcia.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_10: Uh she has three starts, two wins on the year.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_10: You never can count Jason Olmsted horses out.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_10: I don't care where he is, but especially in Iowa Cannonberry, he's tough to beat.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_12: That moves us over to the two-year-olds, the next falling race, race four there at Prairie Meadows on the 15th.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_12: The John Deere Prairie Meadows juvenile challenge,$56,000 on the line.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_12: Going the distance of 350 yards, and a lot of nice two-year-olds in this one here.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, there is.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_10: And I like the 10 lovely on the outside.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_10: This Phillies, again, out of the Jason Olmstead barn.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_10: Um, his son, Ryder Olmstead, will be riding, so that's really cool to see such a young rider riding in these big races and doing good.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_10: Um, this horse has had five starts on the year.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_10: Two starts back, he ran third in the Prairie Meadows Gold Juvenile Stakes.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_10: And then he ran second actually in these try in the trials for this race.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_10: But I think the outside post position is good, has top connections.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_12: And he should be eyeballing the nine horse right next to him, which I believe was the fastest qualifier in this one.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_12: That's counter 44, a Kansas bread, which will of course come into handy as the Eureka Downs meets coming up not too terribly long from now.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_12: But that counter 44 ran a huge race to get into the finals here.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, counter 44 is definitely the horse to beat.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_10: He has the fastest time, and flying cowboy one, two, three is the if you had to pick a top side right now, it would be Flying Cowboy 1, 2, 3, in my opinion.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_12: Counter 44 is the 9-5 favorite going into this.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_12: We'll go back and look at August the 14th.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_12: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_12: As there are two challenge races also on that day, the$53,000 AQHA Prairie Meadows Championship Challenge for the older horses going the big distance, 440 yards.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_12: And the I would say this is just one of the stoutest challenge races that I've seen thus far this year.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_12: It's a grade two event up there in Iowa.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_12: Yancey, there's lots to like in this field.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_10: The two horse curls magic wagon.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, this is just a consistent, consistent runner.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_10: Runs hard every time.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_10: He ran third in the Bob Morris at Remington ran second in the Bob Moore, um, ships to Iowa and runs third in the Kula Kluck stakes.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_10: These are all graded stakes, by the way.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_10: And this family, if you go back over the years, this family has produced runner after runner.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_10: So I look for this horse to be super tough in the finals.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_12: Yancy, a horse that I like in this race, of course, is on the rail there out of the John Hamus barn, and that is hooked and gone.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_12: Ran huge against the stoutest field thus far.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_12: We you and I have both have talked about just how stout the Debbie Schoff was this year.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_12: Ran fourth against those big horses there.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_12: Came back and just missed in the Kuakuk stakes there at Prairie Meadows and finished second, but it could also be easily reading the headlines on the next following day that Hooked and Gone ran a huge race here.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_12: And that leads us over to the Cox Ranch Prairie Meadows Distaff Challenge Stakes.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_12: $36,000,$38,000 on the line, 400 yards for Phillies and Mayors, three year olds and up, and of course, plenty of also to like in this field as well.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_12: A lot of standout runners.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_12: Yancey, tell us about who you like.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_10: Gotta go with the six, catch southern rays.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_10: Uh this horse run huge at Remington on closing day.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_10: Comes up and wins the grade one junior request stakes.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_10: Um this horse, too, if you go back and look all its performances, it it runs a good race, then it might not run a good race.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_10: Then it runs a good race, might not run a good race.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_10: Then she didn't necessarily run that great in the Couca Club last time out, she runs sixth.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_10: But the time before that, like I said, she won the juniors request, so I I look for her to run big and also Stacy Surrett Hill trains her, and she doesn't have the biggest stable, but she's trained runner after runner over the years and always has super nice fillies.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_10: So anytime she has a filly in a stakes race, it's hard not to like her horses.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_12: Those quarter horse junkies that are out there that are listening to this previous section, go look at the past performance on this horse, and it's just bizarre.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_12: It is so bizarre that that she runs a pattern.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_12: She runs a wins a race, she runs bad in a race, she runs wins a race, runs bad in a race.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm talking about this goes back 14 races back.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_12: It's exactly the same pattern.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_12: And so if you if she continues on that pattern, this is her race to win.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_10: The horse that she's gonna have to beat in the race, though, is Flying Bandita, the two.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_10: This is a flying cowboy mare um out of the Jason Olmstead barn.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_10: And this horse always is super tough in stakes races.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_10: Um just this year, if you look, she's ran third in the easy day stakes at Remington, which is a grade two, won the Dequetta stake, another grade two, comes ships here and didn't didn't do so good in the junior request stakes, but uh she's always a super nice horse that runs tough in stakes races.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_10: And again, Jason Olmsted Barn, Romero Garcia in Iowa.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_10: It's tough to beat him, so I look for her to run big.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_10: It's flying cowboy one, two, three.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_12: I would also add, Yancey, that last three races really hasn't run the greatest of races.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_12: You know, didn't do so bad in the easy date, ran a third there, but sixth in the Juno request, and then came back in an allowance prep, ran fifth there.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_12: It's just not a trend that's that I can see that she's gonna have to run probably one of our best races if catching Southern race is on her game in order to be very competitive on this one.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_12: And another race we're gonna take a look at, we're going to go out west, going to Colorado to Arapaho, as they have the mile high fraternity taking part for taking place this weekend for the two-year-olds.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_12: And one of the standout runners there is the fastest qualifier going here into the finals.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_10: And that horse is Tahiti's French Kiss.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_10: This is uh Kiss My Hawk Philly, comes from the Haley Hobbs barn.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_10: Her main rider, Francisco Soto, will be riding.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, this horse run third earlier this year in the Cherry Creek fraternity.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_10: Um, comes and sets the fastest time here.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_10: And Haley Hobbs and Francisco Soto, over the last couple years, they've shipped into Arapahoe a lot, and they've always qualified and always run big and always did good in the finals.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_10: So I look for this horse to be tough to beat in the finals.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_12: And of course, we'll be back next week in the recap section to look at these big stakes races that are taking place this this weekend.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_12: And that's all the time we have this week here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_12: Look forward to coming back as we march right towards the Labor Day weekend.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_12: Of course, also out there in Kentucky.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_12: This coming week, we're going out there in order to be there for the Boco Faturity Trials as well as the Bluegrass Derby.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_12: It is that very first year there in Sandy Ridge as they unveil their new racetrack there in far northeastern Kentucky.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_12: Look forward to bringing you all the action there as well as being there for the finals the day before the All American Faturity, there in Ashland, Kentucky.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_12: So we'll see you and be able to report with you next week here on Quota Horse Racing Talk Weekly.