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The Joe Vanella Report: Victor’s Redemption and the Heat on Joe · On Deathcare

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Joe Vanilla Report with me,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tony Russo, and with Spencer Haake of Vault Technologies.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's the guy who watches the show and reports back on us,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I'm the one who sits in utter amazement about the whole thing.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Before we get started, two quick things.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: I did a story this week on a funeral home owner in Ohio who is a listener of the show, so hello.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bianca, and I just thought it was cool.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, you should watch.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, now the premise is that I don't have to watch.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Spencer watches it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole thing.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: If I watched it, then I wouldn't be surprised when he told me what he told me.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been two weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I missed one week and you missed the other week.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we only missed one show, but two weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two episodes we'll cover in this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so before we get to that, tell me about NFDA.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're just back from NFDA.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not go this year in Charlotte.
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  SPEAKER_01: How was it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is our first NFDA, so I have nothing to compare it to, but we had a great time.
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  SPEAKER_00: We met a lot of new funeral homes,
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of new vendors,
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  SPEAKER_00: made a lot of new friends and really enjoyed just getting to meet people,
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  SPEAKER_00: get feedback on what we're building.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had a really good reception, which was great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think we learned a lot that we can take back and start to implement over
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  SPEAKER_00: the next coming weeks, months, et cetera.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is super cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been to only one NFDA convention.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was in Baltimore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, I didn't know the point was the hanging out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was running around getting stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I always say it's like filling a teacup with a fire hose.
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  SPEAKER_01: My story brain was just like, oh, and this, oh, and this, oh, and this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was just like, I came home with a headache and a notebook that I could barely understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it was pretty incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think like once we got there,
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  SPEAKER_00: we settled into the hotel,
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  SPEAKER_00: got our booth set up and then we were nonstop from either like bars,
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  SPEAKER_00: dinners or at our booth with maybe five to 20 minute gaps,
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  SPEAKER_00: but pretty much going the whole time until we left.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like nothing I've experienced before.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm thinking that I might go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that the next time that I go,
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  SPEAKER_01: I might skip the convention part and just go to the bars part.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the best stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was at,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember what convention,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've only been to three or four, but I was at a convention and it was in Atlanta.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the best conversation I had was on a street corner outside of a restaurant
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  SPEAKER_01: that had just closed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, well, I could have just done this part.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't need to pay for the expo pass.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I'm a journalist, so I don't have to pay for the tickets.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also get treated like a journalist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gives and takes.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's get to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two weeks of Joe Vanilla.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I guess two weeks means that he made the first week.
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  SPEAKER_01: So but what what happened?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because that was a fruit gate was the last thing we talked about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot has happened and it was pretty interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we left off there where they were pretty.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rob Markman,
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  SPEAKER_00: And what we missed was or where we left off was basically them going into the turret
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  SPEAKER_00: and deciding who they were going to murder that night.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Joe was kind of rightfully reining in the control on not murdering Victor
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  SPEAKER_00: because he was like, that will put a lot of, you know, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they went with Mark,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was one of his closest confidants,
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  SPEAKER_00: unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he kind of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: swallowed,
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  SPEAKER_00: pride is the right word,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he kind of just like went for it,
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  SPEAKER_00: they got rid of Mark, which was kind of like the puppy dog of the group.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was really hard for him, but they committed to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was one that was kind of like out of left field,
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  SPEAKER_00: because no one like knew why someone would get rid of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he kind of threw people for a loop.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then following that murder,
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  SPEAKER_00: they then I had some conversations where Tamika kind of put herself in
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  SPEAKER_00: a tough position.
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  SPEAKER_00: She went out and she actually was pressured in a conversation with Victor
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  SPEAKER_00: and she actually threw out Katie,
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  SPEAKER_00: the other trader's name as someone she thought might be a trader.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then she tried to walk it back later on and say that she didn't say that,
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  SPEAKER_00: that she meant to say someone else or that she said someone else and it got
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  SPEAKER_00: a little messy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was like Tamika's big blunder of the whole situation of episode, I believe seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then They had one big challenge where they went out into a field of,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe 40 scarecrows and they had to rip out the hearts of these scarecrows
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  SPEAKER_00: and they either got gold coins or they got black hearts and they had to grab that,
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  SPEAKER_00: take it back to their barrel essentially.
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  SPEAKER_00: And whoever got the most coins won a special power.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if they got the black heart,
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  SPEAKER_00: they would put that heart on someone's barrel who they wanted to knock out of
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  SPEAKER_00: the challenge.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's only four of the black hearts, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of it,
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  SPEAKER_00: we did not learn who won that power and we didn't know what it was going to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that all wraps.
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  SPEAKER_01: But before we go too much,
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  SPEAKER_01: too much further regarding Mark,
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  SPEAKER_01: there is that kind of like he's got to go at some point.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why not now?
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like a kind of a double edged sword because like you want
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  SPEAKER_00: to keep people around that really don't suspect you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time,
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  SPEAKER_00: if it's going to throw everyone off your scent,
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  SPEAKER_00: then maybe it is a good thing to do as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now Mark hadn't voiced any opinions about who could be a trader at all or any
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  SPEAKER_00: real ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was really just kind of running around, having a good time and happy to support really Joe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Him and Joe were very close.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was the one that Joe was throwing food into his mouth and they were having a good time.
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  SPEAKER_01: That does then kind of take the eyes off him as as one of the as one of the traders
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  SPEAKER_01: to that if they were publicly close, then the fact that he's gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it like definitely took some eyes off of Joe in that episode because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, he wouldn't have gotten rid of him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so episode two, well, whatever episode it is, the next episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I guess just wrapping up the previous one,
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  SPEAKER_00: they all kind of went to the roundtable at the end of that episode to do a vote.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they all came together to basically say that they didn't agree
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  SPEAKER_00: that Victor's fruit gate was real.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they thought that he was throwing everyone a curveball and really messing with people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they voted him out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then It really came to a head of when the episode ends
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  SPEAKER_00: with Alan Cummings letting them know that the power that was going
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  SPEAKER_00: to be given out was the power of the pardon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So whoever won that challenge was going to get to choose whether to pardon Victor or
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  SPEAKER_00: to let him go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the episode ends.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we don't know at the end of that episode whether he stays or goes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next episode opens, and that's where we pick it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm trying to remember, what is the, let's see if I have it over here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shane.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Shane has been relatively quiet throughout the show so far,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it opens with him figuring out that he won the power.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he voted for Victor to be voted out just previously to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he decides to pardon Victor and let him stay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was the,
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe the first time that it's happened in the show's history that
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  SPEAKER_00: that happened, but I could be wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: Was there a reason?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did he give a reason?
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  SPEAKER_00: His reason was unique.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was that he didn't,
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  SPEAKER_00: after thinking about it more and seeing how Victor reacted when he was standing up
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  SPEAKER_00: about to say whether he was a faithful or not,
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  SPEAKER_00: That he thought about it,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he didn't think that someone that was a traitor would have been going around
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  SPEAKER_00: the castle saying that there was a murder in plain sight during
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  SPEAKER_00: the fruit gate thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think a few other people in that instance, too,
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of saw him standing up there and thought,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, he's not acting like someone that's a traitor right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that had been putting it on.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they saved him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then that was the end of that roundtable.
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  SPEAKER_00: No one got voted out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they kind of left there and called it a night and went to,
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe from there, they just went back to bed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that was just kind of the end of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they woke up the next morning and had breakfast to find out
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  SPEAKER_00: that someone had been murdered.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't know who that was going to be because, you know, Tamika is still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joe is still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Katie is still there as the traitors.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then no one had been killed the night before.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they have to figure out who's the right person to get rid of in that instance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they ended up going with someone named Abby B.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who was just another non-consensus,
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  SPEAKER_00: trying to throw the scent as far away as possible kind of murder.
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  SPEAKER_01: And with Victor back in,
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  SPEAKER_01: is he going to lay low on the Fruitgate stuff now,
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: or do you think he's going to double down on it?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question, and the answer is he doubled down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  SPEAKER_00: The next day after the murder that night,
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  SPEAKER_00: he went hard against Tamika to the point where he just followed her around
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  SPEAKER_00: the castle the whole day and would not let her be alone because he was worried
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  SPEAKER_00: that she was going to do something sneaky, literally would not leave her side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so then
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  SPEAKER_00: Alan comes in and announces that they are not doing another challenge that day,
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  SPEAKER_00: that they're going straight to another round table.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if they vote out a traitor, then they will get $15,000 added to their pot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they go to the round table after basically just kind of going around
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  SPEAKER_00: and trying to do a little bit of gossip.
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  SPEAKER_00: And after going back and forth, they end up voting out Tamika.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of really vindicates Victor and makes him look like a god among men
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  SPEAKER_00: because they had not been able to get out a traitor to this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think he can really do no wrong with the faithfuls at this point.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he's probably not long for this world if the opportunity to kill him,
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: though, presents itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, see, you would think so, but he is now...
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  SPEAKER_00: He's publicly said many times that if Tamika is a traitor, then Joe is a traitor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then right after that roundtable, they're all celebrating and stuff and they leave.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Joe had to vote for Tamika.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so did Katie because they knew they saw the way the table was going.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't want to look like traders by being the only two people that didn't.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then they leave the The round table and they're in the kitchen and Victor walks
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  SPEAKER_00: in on Joe talking to someone and Joe just goes,
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  SPEAKER_00: so how hard are you going to come for me tomorrow?
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  SPEAKER_00: And Victor says pretty hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's very clear that Victor is coming after Joe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Victor says, unless you kill me first.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's publicly announced to everyone that if Victor dies, it's because of Joe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of a tough mind game because it could be,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: hypothetically another trader that is trying to like throw it, pin it on Joe.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's not how they would spin it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it's tough.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so did he talk about how do they do those those confessionals?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did Joe talk about that at all?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did he get a confessional?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did they talk about it in that?
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  SPEAKER_00: They have not yet, no.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's still going.
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  SPEAKER_00: They typically do the confessionals right after they are taken out of the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do pop them up every now and then throughout.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in that instance, they did not.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not a main part of the show where they...
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: I know more about this.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know more about reality television from The Office than I do from actual reality television.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like that.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Or like a little survivor vignette, like it pops up on the side.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so he did not say anything.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like they didn't have one of those pop up or really describe that scene.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it seems very clear that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: this next week is going to be tough for Joe and it'll be potentially devastating.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's tough.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: I would expect him to try to turn it around and say,
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: who would better know who the other traders were than Victor?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I completely agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because he's a trader.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: That seems like a reasonable way out.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did this whole fruitcake thing, he got a second chance, and then he knew it was Tamika.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: He got his skin saved.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: The reason he knew it was Tamika was because he is on her side.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think at this point it's just going to be too...
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like two individuals duking it out on like their pure,
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: like ability to argue because you can really argue it either way.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we obviously as third parties know one's right and one's wrong,
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  SPEAKER_00: but when you're in the game, you have no idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're just listening to two guys argue and trying to decide which one you think is right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And is that it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or does that, does that bring everybody up to date?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's up to date.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: We ended with Joe being threatened basically.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hopefully we'll be able to do one.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is Halloween.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's not Halloween now.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's Mischief Night as we're recording this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're headed into Halloween and then toward the holidays.
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  SPEAKER_01: So good luck and I will see you next week.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good week.
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