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What's sarcopenia and what can you do about it? · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Chuck Bryant. This is stuff you
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  Speaker 1: to Sarcopenia. Well, speaking of aging aging television shows, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we could also discuss aging human beings. Very nice, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was clumsy? That got delivered by a
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  Speaker 1: drunk pizza guy. Let's dish on Sarcopenia. I just like
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  Speaker 1: that name. It's it's a good name. It is um
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  Speaker 1: so Chuck. You know, there's some obvious signs of aging
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  Speaker 1: as as we progress in our years. Especially it seems
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  Speaker 1: like these days, once you start to hit the mid
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  Speaker 1: to late seventies, all of a sudden, bam, you're like
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  Speaker 1: half your height, stooped over, your rib cage is sunken
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  Speaker 1: in like the guy from the Unforgiven Metallica video, sagging skin.
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  Speaker 1: These are the signs of age, and you just kind
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  Speaker 1: of take this for granted. I know I did until
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  Speaker 1: I wrote this article. But it turns out that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this stuff can be prevented. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these signs of aging are sarcopenia, which is age
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  Speaker 1: related muscle loss. Right, And we just want to say
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  Speaker 1: out there, if you are under forty, like many of
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  Speaker 1: our listeners probably are, listen up because it will happen
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  Speaker 1: YouTube and you can remember this one day and and
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  Speaker 1: use it, or you can advise your parents and grandparents. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: actually the whole reason this came up was because I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to my dad about it. He just turned
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  Speaker 1: seventy one and July four and um, he's starting to
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  Speaker 1: he lost a bunch of weight. He's looking like Mr
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  Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds these days. Um, a lot. Actually only mac though,
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  Speaker 1: only the good stuff. Um. And he's but he's his
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  Speaker 1: muscles are starting to actually because he's losing a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of weight and he's advancing in age, but he's not
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  Speaker 1: exercising as much. So I said, you know what, You're
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  Speaker 1: at risk for sarcopania. And I'm going to look up
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  Speaker 1: this article I wrote. And you were sitting next to me,
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  Speaker 1: and you said, are we podcasting on that this week?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, yes, we are, so here we are everyone.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it happens to the back story. People always
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  Speaker 1: wonder how we pick. That's how we pick sometimes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the whole reason. Um, also because we do have
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  Speaker 1: a fairly young listener ship. This can be prevented most
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  Speaker 1: easily by starting. Yeah, starting you. So let's talk about sarcopane.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about muscle loss first. Let's talk about muscle chuck. Protein. Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: muscle mass is protein basically the end, the end. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: I like your how you said that in the article
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  Speaker 1: that the body seeks stasis. So what you want is
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  Speaker 1: that balance between the production and usage of that protein, right,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to overproduce. The body seeks stasis in
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  Speaker 1: many many ways. Well, yeah, that's that's the that's the yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the level that it's it's seeking at all
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  Speaker 1: times with everything right, equilibrium, equilibrium body. It's a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 1: So chuck, um, muscle is obviously produced in the body.
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  Speaker 1: We don't just you know, go buy a length of
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  Speaker 1: muscle and insert it where we want it one day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right yeah, um. We we actually can produce our
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  Speaker 1: own um through non essential proteins. These are proteins that
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  Speaker 1: the body produces its on its own. Right. Then we
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  Speaker 1: have essential protein that we need to build muscle, and
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  Speaker 1: we derived these by you know, jumping on gazelles and
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  Speaker 1: eating their throats out, or just eating peanut butter and
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  Speaker 1: things like that to contain on protein, tuna, tearing the
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  Speaker 1: throat out of peanut butter. So we gotta tear the
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  Speaker 1: throat of something to get muscle, right, and those are
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  Speaker 1: essential proteins. You're right, right, you might have already said that.
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  Speaker 1: I think I did, but it doesn't matter, buddy. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So we take this protein, uh and and the stuff
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  Speaker 1: we produce it's called synthesis, and the stuff we use
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  Speaker 1: the not the essential proteins, that's metabolism. Right, um, And
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  Speaker 1: we we never really lose our ability to metabolize proteins
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  Speaker 1: as we age, but we do tend to lose our
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  Speaker 1: ability to synthesize our own right. This is where you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get into hormones. Correct, you were just setting
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  Speaker 1: me up all day long, buddy. Uh. Insulin like growth
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  Speaker 1: hormone I g F one. Yeah, testosterone and growth hormone,
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  Speaker 1: they all play a role in the product and of
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  Speaker 1: the protein. Josh, did you know that I did? I
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  Speaker 1: wrote this article. Well anyway, the point is these hormones, hormones,
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  Speaker 1: you know, are the chemical messengers in our body. They
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  Speaker 1: do all sorts of crazy stuff. I just wrote about, um,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not you can get pregnant while you're breastfeeding.
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  Speaker 1: And hormones are amazing. And by the way, I know
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  Speaker 1: everything there is to know about the about the menstrual cycle.
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  Speaker 1: You know everything. I'll ask me any question later, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you many minarchy. The problem, Josh, is that the
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  Speaker 1: pro these hormones decline as we age, right, So the
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  Speaker 1: the the um the protein production is aren't getting it's
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  Speaker 1: not getting the signals that it used to through the hormone,
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  Speaker 1: so non essential protein production slips leaving only essential production
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  Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, essential proteins that you ingest. And I
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  Speaker 1: think you you indicated that as we get older, we
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  Speaker 1: actually need more proteins. So that's kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: one to punch, right, and we don't necessarily get more
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  Speaker 1: proteins once you Once you establish a diet in your lifetime,
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  Speaker 1: you usually kind of stick to it, especially in your
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  Speaker 1: seventies and right. I mean people may you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of come to understand their bodies. I can't remember how
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  Speaker 1: Douglas Copeland put it in. Generates an X, I think
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  Speaker 1: aware of your body. People become aware of their bodies
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  Speaker 1: later in life, so they may change their diet some
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  Speaker 1: but generally, you're your protein intake will remain the same
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  Speaker 1: even though you need it more. So you've got hormone
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  Speaker 1: decline and protein deficiency. So that's two of the three.
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  Speaker 1: Actually we didn't even mention the third yet. Well this
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  Speaker 1: is the most this is the most vital one motor
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  Speaker 1: unit restructuring. So you've got these three things, hormone decline,
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  Speaker 1: protein deficiency, and motor unit um restructuring, which we were
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  Speaker 1: about to get into, and all of a sudden, you've
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  Speaker 1: got sarcopenia because you're stooped over. Your face is sagging again.
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  Speaker 1: You look like the old guy from the Unforgiven video.
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  Speaker 1: You're walking slow. What is the Unforgiven video? You know
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  Speaker 1: that Metallica song Unforgiven. It came out post Good Metallica,
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  Speaker 1: before Horrible Metallica. So it was during the after Ride,
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  Speaker 1: the Lightning before whatever, that Lala Pellusa tour when they
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  Speaker 1: started wearing eyeliner and stuff, when they cut their hair.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got we've got sarcopenia um, but we haven't
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  Speaker 1: really talked about that motor unit restructuring. This is the
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  Speaker 1: most important factor, right, So let me tell them what
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  Speaker 1: a motor unit is. Yes, So, Joshua, things called motor neurons,
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  Speaker 1: and they command the muscle fibers to voluntary muscle fibers
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  Speaker 1: voluntary muscifibers to do things. Right, So that's a motor
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  Speaker 1: unit as those two things together, right, the muscle fibers
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  Speaker 1: they command, and the neurons the muscle fibers and the
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  Speaker 1: neurons that command them. That's a motor unit, right. And
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  Speaker 1: and again it's strictly voluntary muscle we're talking about. So
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  Speaker 1: the neuron gets a command from the brain. I think.
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  Speaker 1: In the article I used the example of raised right
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  Speaker 1: arm and punch chuck in the neck. I would never
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  Speaker 1: do that. I'd say, shut up, brain. Um. So the
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  Speaker 1: brain sends the signal to the neurons involved in raising
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  Speaker 1: your right arm and they fire um and contract the muscles. Innervation,
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  Speaker 1: which is what's going on, like you're lifting your arm.
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  Speaker 1: It's really a bunch of muscles contracting. And when I
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  Speaker 1: think about it like that, I think about like little
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  Speaker 1: tiny like pirates, like pulling on the um, the hoisting,
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  Speaker 1: the sale sure like that like he ho he, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your your your arm is raised.
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  Speaker 1: Right there. You have it. It's called innervation. Technically, when
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  Speaker 1: the muscle fibers are caused to contract from the neurons
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  Speaker 1: right um, now raising your arm, that would be pretty
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  Speaker 1: much probably exclusively the result of slow twitch neurons. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: lets we need to explain the difference here. There's two
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  Speaker 1: kinds of neurons. There's fast twitch and they're slow twitch
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  Speaker 1: ft and st and fast hitch fast twitch fast twitch fastitch.
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  Speaker 1: I like fast twitch fast twitch. That's really hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: Is it's like Irish wristwatch? Yeah, exactly. It's very specialized
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  Speaker 1: because they command like only fast movements like when you run,
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  Speaker 1: or like eye twitches your eyelids. Yeah, like really precise movement.
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  Speaker 1: But there aren't as many of them because they only
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  Speaker 1: command a certain you know, limited number of functions. Right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: one one fast twitch neuron will command, um, say, just
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  Speaker 1: a few muscle fibers because it has to be precise,
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  Speaker 1: so it can't be concerned with a whole bunch at once.
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  Speaker 1: Slight twitch, on the other hand, is uh the mass.
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  Speaker 1: I think the way I put it in the article was, um,
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  Speaker 1: the fast twitch neurons are kind of agile, like a
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  Speaker 1: tightrope walker, where slow twitch or like bulls and China shops,
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  Speaker 1: they're just kind of big and dumb and lumbering and brewer,
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  Speaker 1: you know exactly. So the slow twitch neuron is going
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  Speaker 1: to raise your arm because it's just a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: just muscle fiber that isn't really involved in anything precise. Big.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is that the ft the fast twitch, they
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  Speaker 1: die off as you age, first the first to go.
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  Speaker 1: So what happens is if if there if if a
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  Speaker 1: group of muscle fibers are no longer commanded by a neuron,
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  Speaker 1: they're at risk of um atrophying, right, which is muscle death. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so then all of a sudden you have muscle
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  Speaker 1: loss to prevent this body has a pretty cool system.
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  Speaker 1: This is very cool. Out of nowhere, Um, the closest
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  Speaker 1: slow twitch neuron that's that's uh, the one that's closest
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  Speaker 1: to the dead fast twitch neuron will take over, will
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  Speaker 1: attach itself and take command in place of right. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so you still need these precise movements, but now it's
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  Speaker 1: being um, they're being commanded by a big, dumb, lumbering neuron. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the restructuring. That's motor motor unit restructuring, right,
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  Speaker 1: And the result of it is UM. You know if
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  Speaker 1: a loss of coordination, UM, a loss of quick reaction, yes,
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  Speaker 1: less precise right, So that's part of that UM, that
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  Speaker 1: lack of balance that happens as you age. It's actually
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  Speaker 1: the result of muscle loss, exactly. And that's part three
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  Speaker 1: of the what you called the perfect storm that can
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  Speaker 1: increase the onset of sarcopania. And when this happens, especially
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  Speaker 1: along the spine, the muscle fibers along the spine, when
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  Speaker 1: there's motor unit restructuring or just straight up neuron death, UM,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's what gives us our stoop posture because the
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  Speaker 1: stand upright, it requires muscles going he hoped right, and um,
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  Speaker 1: when you lose it, you end up being stooped over.
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  Speaker 1: So these all put together, all these signs of age,
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  Speaker 1: the loss of the intercostal muscles between the ribs, stoop postures,
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  Speaker 1: sagging skin, it's called senile sarcopania. And this is the
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  Speaker 1: most preventable type of sarcopania. You can also get sarcopania
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  Speaker 1: from um disease. There's some other much less preventable forms
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  Speaker 1: of environmental conditions can sure Like basically, if you lay
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  Speaker 1: down in a highway tunnel for several years and just
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  Speaker 1: inhale carbon monoxide constantly, you're probably sarcopenia will be among
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  Speaker 1: the various maladies that developed. Well, the good news though,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, is that this can be prevented, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the message that you need to talk to
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  Speaker 1: your parents and grandparents about and what people like me
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  Speaker 1: need to remember very soon as I am aging right,
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  Speaker 1: And there's an easy solution to this waights resistance training.
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  Speaker 1: So for a long time doctors well they still do,
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  Speaker 1: but physicians UM have The medical establishment has always recommended
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  Speaker 1: something like I think, um, thirty minutes of exercise a day.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about cardio usually cardio like walking, running, wommen,
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  Speaker 1: getting the heart going, and yeah you need to do that.
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  Speaker 1: But that has little to no effect on sarcopenia. But
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  Speaker 1: resistance training does. Um, And they've done a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: studies on this. I found out this is one of
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  Speaker 1: those articles, Chuck, where I wrote it and there was
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  Speaker 1: just so much awesome information out there. There's just a
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  Speaker 1: really interesting article to write despite when it was assigned
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  Speaker 1: to me, and I found out with sarcopenia was I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you gotta be kidding me, right, why would
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  Speaker 1: I be writing this? Yeah, me of all people, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I need to write about whiskey. But there there's been
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of studies that have turned up some really
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  Speaker 1: surprising results. Right. So um, there was one that I
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  Speaker 1: came across that put a group of elderly people age
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  Speaker 1: eighty four. Yeah, this is pretty impressive unresistance training. And
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  Speaker 1: by resistance training, we're talking about um, oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know where you lift legs weights with your legs
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  Speaker 1: by just like flexing them out where I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called like bringing your I've
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  Speaker 1: done it before, probably a doubt. If they recommend that
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  Speaker 1: the elderly go in there and start hitting the bench press. No,
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  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, they recommend that the elderly
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  Speaker 1: not try this first by themselves. They need at the
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  Speaker 1: very least the advice of somebody who knows what they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about at the gym, who works at the gym,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not a personal trainer. You want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to your doctor first if you're if you're elderly, but
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  Speaker 1: we're The point here is is that if you are
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  Speaker 1: elderly and you are developing circopania, it can actually be
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  Speaker 1: reversed by resistance training. It was like, these signs of
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  Speaker 1: aging can be reversed. Um. These this this study that
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  Speaker 1: had seventy eight to eighty four year olds. They put
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  Speaker 1: them on a resistance training program um and they saw
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  Speaker 1: an increase of protein synthesis. Remember that's the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: we that's the ability with los as we get older.
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  Speaker 1: The increase was a hundred and eighty two percent. That's unreal.
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  Speaker 1: That's huge because normally there's like increases and whenever you
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  Speaker 1: look at a study it's like, oh, there was a
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  Speaker 1: two percent change. That's significant different, This is enormously significant.
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  Speaker 1: Just by doing weights, we can synthesize protein, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can I tell them about the other one. Please do? Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The U s d A did this one and they
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  Speaker 1: said that the elderly participants who did resistance training for
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes three times a week saw for twelve
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  Speaker 1: week over three month spans, on average, increase of thirty
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  Speaker 1: muscle five increase in strength. Yeah, and that's huge, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's forty five minutes three times a week in twelve weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It's nothing. No, not much. And if you're seventy or eighty,
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  Speaker 1: what else do you're not working? Yeah? Get the gym? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Wapner commands you should we talk about astronauts well this Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping we get to this. The whole the
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  Speaker 1: whole reason that we know that resistance training works is
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  Speaker 1: thanks to our friends at NASA. This is weird, man.
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  Speaker 1: What happens is astronauts have a similar existence as elderly
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  Speaker 1: because it's very sedentary. They're in a space shuttle and
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  Speaker 1: there's not much room. They're waitless. They're just hanging around,
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  Speaker 1: drinking tang doing nothing. They never did nothing. For nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing, Josher's and I know you know this.
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  Speaker 1: They have an opposite effect. They're slow twitch. Well weightlessness,
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  Speaker 1: weightlessness does well yeah, not not just if you're an astronaut,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, being being waitless. Uh, the fast twitch ones actually, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the slow twitch ones dial first and in the fast
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  Speaker 1: which ones to pick up the slack right rather than
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  Speaker 1: down here on Earth where the fast twitched size off
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  Speaker 1: first and then slow twitch picks up. And I've heard
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  Speaker 1: of this. I didn't know the science behind it, but
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  Speaker 1: I had heard that if you're weightless in space, like
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  Speaker 1: these people that are up there for like a year
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  Speaker 1: at the space station are coming back and like tearing
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  Speaker 1: calf muscles, Like, yeah, that's the result of it. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a loss of coordination, but very easily torn muscles
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  Speaker 1: because the little the little precise, uh, fast twitch neurons
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  Speaker 1: are not used to controlling like these huge you know,
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  Speaker 1: they don't do the heave hoe that well. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that's to work this all out, if you know, and
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  Speaker 1: outer space one day. Yeah. And I think the last
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  Speaker 1: point is is, yes, you're supposed to do cardio. You're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to do the thirty minutes of walking every day
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