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- 0:04 [Music] [Applause] 0:14 [Music] 0:25 hello and welcome to another episode of zwix flick the edwick podcast I'm your host Ryan and with me for really for all 0:32 intents of purposes the second to last episode of my minseries journey of zwick's films the studio films that made 0:39 it to the theater I've got with me returning three time now guest co-host Craig how you doing all right Ryan thank 0:46 you it's always great to sit down and chat movies with you it's always a fun time so thanks again well you are uh a 0:54 true pleasure to podcast with one because you're good at it two your opinions and insights are uh 1:00 and well thought out I know you don't research I know you don't take notes but you're just so natural at it yeah and then Doug will be returning for his a 1:08 third and final episode with trial by fire which I have not seen so today 1:13 though today we're covering another Tom Cru film that's why you picked this I believe is because it why did you pick 1:20 this first or last Samurai I can't remember now I'm pretty sure I picked Last Samurai first I think Pawn 1:26 sacrifice was the last movie I I picked it was like I'll do this and I'll do jack Creer and then I think you were 1:31 like oh I need somebody to do pawn sacrificing you know me I'm never one to 1:36 be afraid of an assignment and if I remember correctly regarding our Pawn sacrifice review that 1:42 again people go listen to if you haven't already you weren't well we both weren't we weren't too crazy about that film so 1:49 was this viewing of Jack Reacher maybe more fun for you overall I think in the 1:54 last year I've watched never go back this Jack Reacher sequel last night when I watched it was the third time in the 2:00 past year that I've watched it probably like this time last year I watched it just for fun I I don't think I'd ever 2:06 seen it so I was like oh let me watch never go back it's on Paramount plus and then when I knew we were doing this 2:12 episode I watched it again probably three weeks ago okay but then you told 2:17 me you watched the first movie and I was like [ __ ] let me go watch the first movie and then I watched the first movie 2:22 and I was like well damn now I have to watch never go back again just to make sure that I don't right get the two 2:29 movies mixed up so fair enough oh wow okay you really have given Paramount 2:34 plus some of their viewership for this film it's not this isn't a hard movie to watch I think we ultimately concluded with Pawn sacrifice was that it was just 2:41 such a missed opportunity yeah there oh that's right we said at the end there that they 2:46 should have focused on the last twom minute prologue they did yeah they 2:51 should have made that the film the whole conspiratorial stuff him in Exile that would have been a much more fascinating film and maybe that film has yet to be 2:57 made put it that way it's one that can still be made okay oh yeah all right so let's get into we uh if you haven't dear 3:04 listener already heard our thoughts overall regarding Tom Cruz we're gonna get into him again we we'll save him for 3:09 last when we do our cast review but go check out our Last Samurai episode where we gave our praises and thoughts on Tom 3:16 Cruz and Tom Cruz interacting with edwick because it's going to be a little bit shorter regarding him today just 3:21 because you know we've already done that but we will repeat a couple things but we'll start with the fact the film came 3:26 out in 2016 of course is based on the book series by Lee Child this is an 3:33 author who who's what's another character like a Tom Clancy type character like a Jack Ryan type or 3:40 what's another one I had another one in my brain that that has well like if you go back to 60s and 70s you got like M 3:46 ban James Bond the Executioner The Specialist there you go yeah yeah right 3:53 it's it's in that vein it's the lone sort of traveler it's kind of like the template they use for the Incredible 3:58 Hulk too oh the show in the 70s every week he was in a different town and he 4:04 was solving a different mystery and then he traveled on or also what Highway to Heaven I don't know if you remember that TV show I yes of course yeah yeah so the 4:12 Jack Reacher novel series I haven't read any of them I I assume they're popular 4:17 oh they're very popular I've read one of them I read the first one and I kind of 4:23 said I'm good I I understand I understand the concept but yeah it's a long running series 29 books I just 4:30 looked up 29 yeah and actually I think they've switched authors at this point Lee Child was the original author and I 4:38 think in the last couple of installments his brother has actually taken over oh 4:44 wow which isn't really that rare for lack of a better term men's Adventure 4:50 fiction there's authors that have died and there's still books coming out written by other authors characters 4:56 outlive their creations and uh I guess that's a good thing yeah like Conan Sherlock Holmes those 5:02 type of books so Jack Reacher the character very popular novel form so it only makes sense that he would have a 5:08 shot at the at films before we talk about this film let's talk about the first film Jack Reacher and that came 5:14 out 2012 I believe yeah and it was directed by the mission impossible guy 5:21 Christopher mcari Christopher mcar and Tom Cruz are pretty much they're pretty much best buddies regarding film are 5:28 they not now like that's they're kind of like Partners more or less Chris mccar his big break was the usual suspects he 5:34 wrote that yes that's correct he actually wrote a movie before they called Public Access which film directed 5:40 by Brian yeah it was Brian singer's debut film and then Usual susp Suspects was the basically Public Access was in 5:48 Quint Tarantino world was his Reser and The Usual Suspects was the Pulp Fiction yeah I was trying to remember when him 5:54 and singer broke off but then he went and did like way of the gun which was his sporal debut he he a big script 6:00 doctor prior to getting into directing he was just doctoring a lot of scripts which for people who may not know you 6:08 know Ryan writes a script that Joel Silver buys and says oh man I love this script but then it goes through a dozen 6:16 Studio notes and Ryan's like I I'm just not equipped to do this so they bring in 6:21 a script Doctor Who will just do a punch-up an uncredited punch-up on the script they'll give him x amount of 6:27 dollars and sometimes it's a dialogue polish Tarantino has done a bunch of yes 6:33 in the late 90s if you remember Crimson Tide there's a lot of very like that's right there's a lot of Tarantino esque 6:40 dialogue in there and it's because Tarantino wrote it that's awesome I love I don't know how he I don't know how him 6:45 and Cruz connected because it seems like the Mission Impossible movies they 6:51 made what and they made what like four of them at this point so they connected on the film Valkyrie is my guess Cu uh 6:57 he wrote and produced right yeah the plot to kill Hitler yeah that's okay I'll just say this what Tom again he was 7:04 great in that film that's a great film yeah the cool thing about that is and I've seen this technique done before it 7:11 starts with Tom Cruz writing in his journal right in German and you hear German you hear a German voice over and 7:18 it slowly transitions to English so it's like done that a few times they did that in a movie we just did I did with 7:24 somebody on another podcast actually was a guest on another podcast forget the name of it I'm sorry but they probably don't listen to this show so doesn't 7:30 matter anyways where I did The Hunt for Red October yeah no it's a great technique I think it's a great cinematic 7:36 technique that's like hey we all know they're speaking German right we don't want a two-hour movie where everybody's 7:41 speaking German and 90% of the audience is gonna have to read subtitles right yeah it's like we get it this is now 7:47 Sean Conor now has a Scottish accent but's he's a Russian submarine Captain just get over it okay let him act with 7:53 his Scottish accent like who cares you know what I mean so anyways he wrote 7:58 valkrie produced that and did singer direct that oh yes he did yeah direct that okay 8:06 that's still the singer mcquary connection but now Tom Cruz has entered the mix then mcquary went on to write 8:12 the tourist then he wrote and directed Jack Reacher okay the first film but at this 8:19 time he had yet to direct Mission possible his first directing film with Tom was Jack Reacher in 2012 and then he 8:26 wrote Edge of Tomorrow for Tom okay based on the graphic novel and then he 8:31 directed mission of possible Rogue nation in 2015 with Tom it feels like Jack reisher was probably a test 8:37 obviously you can do this kind of movie we can give you the mission impossible 8:43 budget so well why don't we talk briefly about the first Jack Reacher film I Didn't Know Jack Reacher from whoever as 8:50 a character in the novels but of course in 2012 the internet was alive and well I heard chatter right away because 8:55 people love to be critical the one thing I love about the internet is how critical everyone is this is so fantastic to read complaining and 9:02 negativity isn't that fantastic about everything it's fantastic so one of the things that people said right away was 9:08 Tom Cruz is too short to play Jack Reacher and look I get it if you're a fan of the books I understand it this is 9:13 the character you have in your mind I would also say Tom Cruz has never dialed in a performance oh yeah so regarding 9:21 the Jack Reacher character not knowing what Jack Reacher was like as a physical presence in the novels I watched that 9:27 film as a great action spy and I quite enjoyed that first film you oh absolutely we've since gotten the Jack 9:34 Reacher TV show on Amazon if you look at the Jack Reacher on paper it's a stereotype big buff guy who doesn't talk 9:41 a lot Tom Cruz and and mcar are both intelligent enough to realize that you 9:48 don't have to play into the tropes all the time and Lee Child it might have been they gave him enough money but Lee 9:54 Child even signed off on it he was like hey this is kind of cool but I'm sure Lee Child saw the opportunity to be like 10:00 wow I'm going to sell even more books so it's better for me to you know be yay Tom Cruz is opposed to yeah it's a bad 10:06 choice I guarantee you at least one book was bought because a Tom Cruz fan bought the novel oh yeah absolutely you can 10:14 even look at Daniel Craig his James Bond yeah the J Daniel Craig does Bond blonde 10:20 Bond wasn't yeah he doesn't resemble James Bond very much at all although I 10:25 will say this in the novels James Bond is sort of 10:30 he's not really handsome in Deon Aire he's sort of presented as looking like a 10:36 thugra he fit that mold a little bit better than let's say Pierce brosman sure yeah very deonar yeah dear but that 10:44 first Jack Reacher it's a cool movie to watch and there's some really cool sequences you've got that bathroom fight 10:51 which is such a cool sequence it's fighting in an enclosed space there's 10:57 just enough comedy there but it's still a satisfying action uh piece and then 11:04 got W hog playing a bad guy oh my goodness yeah the prisoner and then you've got a pretty good car chase even 11:10 though I remember after seeing that movie in theaters I chatted with my dad about it who was a big fan of the books 11:16 and he's like yeah Jack rer doesn't drive well yeah this is a different 11:21 medium it's a film sure film no but that's a good movie and it makes complete sense that there was a followup 11:27 sure I'm really really surprised that it didn't become a series although I often wonder if Cruz just didn't have the the 11:36 bandwidth to work on another franchise well yeah I was thinking that too had it 11:42 become well yes and no because he tried tackling another franchise with Ed tomor which actually did very well but I don't 11:49 know if it did well enough at the time I think there is some there is some Scuttle but they are doing a sequel to that and he also tried the mummy too 11:56 yeah so he's not opposed to doing other franchises and but for whatever the obviously Top Gun I believe a Top Gun 3 12:02 is actually in the in the work so I it's just oddly enough Jack Reacher maybe 12:08 because he was doing the mission apost maybe it's just too much it's a very similar Lane yeah it was just Ethan Hump 12:14 by a different name maybe and that's not a criticism so much as it's just Ethan Hunt but he's called 12:20 Jack Reacher because there was nothing about the Jack Reacher character played by Tom Cruz but played well where I 12:27 thought to myself Ethan Hunt couldn't do this it was almost like a poor man version to Mission Impossible and it's 12:35 it's not an insult on the films but it's almost like we already have our big Thanksgiving dinner but you're trying to sell me a very yummy grilled cheese 12:41 sandwich and look don't get me wrong it's very yummy I I like grilled cheese sandwiches but I got this turkey Feast here that you're already giving me and 12:47 you're asking me to have both at the same time yeah that's a valid statement yeah 12:52 so that I think that could have been part of the fatigue Tom Cruz has proven despite some of his own as we've said 12:58 before the controversies that surround him he's not boxed off as poison but the projects might be I think Jack Reacher I 13:04 think the negative talk about his height I don't think helped like it's too bad P way if the character in the Jack Reacher 13:12 novels was 5 foot eight with brown hair almost describing Tom Cruz to a te but 13:18 they just called him Jack Reacher in the novels and then he gets cast everyone would be saying oh this is the perfect 13:24 fit I just wish Tom did it when he was younger it's just unfortunate that within the novels this character for 20 13:30 novels at that point had already been established as a 6'3 Behemoth of a character so that negative chatter does 13:35 affect box office yeah but at the same time you almost wonder if there would 13:41 have been a Jack Reacher movie without Tom Cruz like Dolph lungren as Jack Reacher 13:50 we wouldn't get the movie we got at what point does a big lumbering guy or Triple 13:56 H from the WWE as Jack Reacher that's straight to DVD streaming it's not a big 14:03 Paramount sky dance theatrical release so we did mention briefly the TV series 14:10 Reacher that I believe is on Amazon Prime two seasons in third Seasons I just dropped the trailer for the third season have you seen that TV 14:17 show I watched like half of it and I I don't know I'm starting to have a problem with modern TV wow to me Ryan it 14:26 feels like a lot of television shows is just this race to the Finish Line where it's like you the last episode I believe 14:33 or one of our episodes sorry it was for a different podcast but you mentioned I loved your analogy how did you say it 14:38 was like you're basically giving plot points just to get to the end of the 40 minutes yeah yeah yeah you're connecting dots 14:45 and like I mean not to talk about like some great TV shows like Sopranos or the 14:50 wire or Breaking Bad those episodes there's episodes of those individual 14:56 series that I remembered as great episodes of TV where it feels like if you just take a random you know season 4 15:04 episode 6 of Yellowstone nobody's going to remember it whereas you can say oh 15:11 The Sopranos episode Pine Barons people are instantly going to remember paully and Christopher in the woods I never 15:17 thought of it that way right now we're watching Dexter I don't know if you ever seen the show Dexter yeah so we just started the series together I'd already 15:24 seen it but it's been a while and I wanted to watch the Resurrection series that's coming out so I invited my wife honey trust me you'll like it she loves 15:30 it now so I'm rewatching it to get to get caught up so I can watch the new reboot that being said that's a show 15:36 that doesn't do what you're saying there's story lines with each of these characters you just want to know what's happening next but there's no real 15:42 filler but I know what you mean I love Yellowstone but when I objectively looked at the show Yellowstone now I 15:48 know you're saying there's like boy there's a lot of I guess the scenery is really beautiful or the horses are doing 15:53 you know tricks in the arena whatever it is it almost feels like where are we going what is actually happening but 15:59 it's a comfort food now we're talking about meals again it is a comfort food it's a bag of chips it's not supposed to sustain me I'm just I'm CH you can 16:06 almost scrolling your phone a little bit like well that's the thing and and and it gets to like this whole discussion 16:12 about like content versus art yeah and by no means is it not happening I don't 16:17 know if you've ever watched the two seasons of Mind Hunter that's amazing 16:22 television I mean that's not connect the dots television and of course Netflix canel it because it probably was it it 16:30 took people's attention away from their phone exactly exactly there was a headline recently where the edict from 16:36 Netflix for their TV shows and movies was have characters explain what they're 16:42 doing yeah I know so if you're in the kitchen making dinner and you and you have like okay whatever Netflix Show 16:49 streaming you can hear the characters explain this is what I'm doing right now and this is why I'm doing it why are you 16:55 looking in that drawer well I'm looking for evidence for the murder that we that remember the guy that got murdered an 17:01 hour ago yeah at the end of the day Ryan it really comes down to the fact is we're in an age where hey me and you in 17:08 our 20s would have effing love this you have access to everything yeah but at 17:14 the same time when you have access to everything you don't have to watch everything right yeah there's more 17:20 things to watch than there is time in the day to watch it yes oh yeah it's impossible but I will say the wife and I 17:26 watched the first two seasons of Prater and there's not very there're only eight episodes so it's pretty easy that's what 17:31 I liked about it each season is based on a novel so it's eight eight episodes is perfect we quite enjoyed it it's a 17:38 combination of it's a bit of fluff silliness a little bit it doesn't take itself too seriously but it's done well 17:45 it's not boring it's done well and aesthetically yes this Behemoth of the guy what's his name again Allen 17:51 something yeah alen Rich richson yeah he's a big guy and he's good I like him 17:57 so he fits the role and yeah so there you go that's just my little plug for the TV show so that the 18:02 TV show I don't remember anyone scoffing at the idea of this guy playing Jack Reacher he's almost too big actually 18:09 that might be the other thing if I remember correctly around the time that the first Jack Reacher movie came out 18:14 one of the comments was it's really hard for somebody to live the life that Jack Reacher lives 18:21 looking like he does in the books whereas Jack Reacher is very much Off the Grid he he doesn't have a permanent 18:27 home per se he wanders and if you've got this 6'3 250lb guy lumbering through 18:36 your town it's pretty hard to be inconspicuous but if a guy like Tom Cruz 18:42 wanders through your town sheriff teasel isn't going to raise an eyebrow whereas the guy from the TV show does you're 18:48 like wait a minute it might be time to stop this guy and ask him what he's doing here right that's good point yeah 18:53 all right folks you're wondering well what are you guys talk about the film well this is the trouble with this this 18:59 it's because we well we sort of are we have to in a way Craig we have to talk about everything that got to the film 19:06 right because I meaning what I mean by the the novels who directed the film 19:11 before like the first film versus the second film what's the connection and all this why the second film why not a 19:17 third film so now we're at the part where now yes there has been a second film has been green lit Christopher 19:23 mcari has t decided to take a writing producing role the previous film that 19:28 Ed's wi directed was Pawn sacrifice a very lowkey drama heavy lots of talking 19:33 chess movie and maybe he had an itch he doesn't say I'm G to play his Audi book 19:39 at the end don't worry folks we're GNA play the two Snippets he gave us for this movie at the end I wish you got more it's it's frustrating but I 19:46 understand I I understand in his audio book or his book I'm listening to his audio book but in his book that of 19:51 course he talks L about glory and and The Last Samurai and Legends of the Fall 19:56 these are the huge films I get it but it's but for me as a total nerd I'm 20:01 actually almost somewhat more interested in hearing about the films that didn't make it I still want to hear about the 20:08 process of making Jack Reacher to about some of the stunts and the conversation you have with Tom off the side uh you're 20:14 and even Pawn sacrifice was like two sentences like he said he had trouble with Toby I want to hear give me some 20:19 more dirt it's unfortunate that we got literally two sentences for his last three films yeah I almost wonder if it 20:25 was a case of looking for director for this 20:30 movie if Tom didn't say hey I've worked with Wick before I know what I'm getting 20:38 with him I know he can handle the assignment and also it might have also been like you know what he might need 20:44 this movie too I know I was thinking that too was combination of like he hadn't had a blockbuster 20:49 since his last I guess his last Blockbuster was blood diamond in 2006 because Defiance love other drugs and 20:56 pawn sacrifice his next three films I would consider them Blockbusters by no so in the back of my head I was like I 21:02 wonder if it was like two things Tom Cruz is getting somebody he knows he trusts and we'll deliver it but also at 21:08 the same time it's like hey let me throw my buddy a bone too because sure you know it it might be a good way to sort 21:14 of jump start you know and that's a credit to both Ed as well that Tom because Tom is a producer of the film so 21:20 he's gonna Greenlight Ed in a sense so he hires Ed he's like hey Ed you want to you busy you want to handle another 21:27 action film and there's some War element action sequences you've done these before with other films and it probably 21:32 rejuvenated Ed but he doesn't talk about that in the book yeah yeah it's 21:38 unfortunate it might have also been like proximity effect as well it's hard to reflect on something that is still semic 21:45 current the book came out what 2024 2023 yeah I think it was just last year 21:52 so it was it was like still what like seven or eight years that's right who knows when he started writing 21:58 the book so it might have just been one of those things where he hasn't really had time to reflect on it or the publisher might have even been 22:05 like hey nobody's going to care about your thoughts on Pawn sacrifice give us the glory stuff no it's very well said 22:13 so let's talk about the actors in This film funny enough it's one of these films where there's just not a lot 22:19 of actors that I could name a lot of them had the faces oh I've seen that guy 22:24 I've seen that guy and that was a lot of this cast what about you other than the the two top billing 22:32 stars did you know anyone else by yeah well it had the dude for M Hunters oh 22:37 which guy was that what's his name I'm trying to remember his character's name let's see Sam Mor no Sam Morgan is the 22:44 girl the guy with the phone he's making the phone call and Reacher twists his arm he up get killed with the phone yes 22:52 okay yes that dud yeah I forgot his name but he was in M Hunters yeah that's Hol 22:58 melany and his name was Robert pson was Robert y that was ER okay I'm 23:06 such a huge Bight Club fan so he's one of those guys where oh him every time I see this guy to film I always say to in 23:13 my brain his name is Robert bson but yeah he's been a lot of stuff he's a great actor in fact he's returning with 23:19 Tom Cruz for the final mission of possible film this year he's that perfect type of actor where I didn't know his name yeah but you know the face 23:26 but he's got a steady gig he's doing f financially having fun on film but he can still go to Walmart yeah he did a 23:32 show on FX probably 15 years ago with this point called lights out too where he played a 23:39 boxer an old boxer and I I don't think I ever watched the show I've never heard 23:45 of that but my sister worked on it and that's how I remembered it yeah oh yeah 23:50 look at that light I don't know even some of those FX shows are hard to find they might be on like Hulu through 23:55 Disney plus but either way cra yeah he's a he's he's a journeyman actor that's 24:01 the word yeah totally great guy he did a great job he met a an awful demise in 24:07 the film but had it coming he's the first one where I could say oh I know where I've seen him from actor didn't 24:12 know his name as you can see in our episode now I had to look him up and then the main villain referred to as the 24:18 hunter great actor but his name is Patrick hu singer do you recognize him from anything no and I hate to do this 24:26 because it's not fair but the trend in modernish action films is just get the 24:33 abon me and Fitch type looking modelish Taylor kitch type looking in the first 24:40 movie it was Jai Courtney it's just generic model looking guy number two and 24:45 he was fine and I think his performance was good enough that when he gets that 24:52 shot to the face at the end where Reacher says look at me yeah it felt like he earned it and both reer movies 24:59 have great henchmen deaths did he kill the guy at the end of this one oh yeah he broke his neck said I'm going to 25:05 break your arm I'm going to break your leg I'm going to break your neck okay so I should say this I watched the two films with my family and my three 25:12 youngest so 10-year-old twin boy girl and my 13-year-old son I've said this before on The Last Samurai I believe but 25:17 my 10-year-old son is a huge Tom Cruz fan he loves Tom Cruz Tom Cruz is on 25:23 film he just is totally engaged I said hey let's go watch a movie this was last week cuz we watched the first film and I 25:28 turned it on I didn't tell them what I often I'll do that like believe I say it's movie time and I put it right where 25:34 it starts they don't know what they're watching said just just trust dad just trust dad and so it comes up it says a 25:39 Tom Cruz production yeah and as the film started and it wasn't showing Tom you because they're doing the whole 25:45 introduction to Jack Reacher you know they do the whole like talking about who he is before he shows up in the off office there at the beginning of the 25:51 first film my son goes dad is is Tom Cruz in this or is he just directing the 25:56 film so he was getting kind of nervous he's like if I go to see Tom Cruz in this film but I enjoy watching that like 26:02 my son had this fandom of an actor because it's fun to we live like it's cool that he just he can't wait to see 26:07 the next installment in the theaters for the mission imposses every Tom Cruz I've shown him that's you know appropriate 26:12 for a 10-year-old he's the Top Gun films the mission possible films Minority Report Last Samurai the Jack Reacher 26:19 film so we're watching Jack Reacher 2 and he goes what did he say he said oh is she in part three regarding the 26:26 daughter the fake daughter or whatever something to that some question about part three and I'm like there is no part three he still 26:32 used like eight mission possible films he just assumed Tom Cruz would have eight Jack Reacher films I'm like this is it buddy he's like what yeah so he 26:39 can't be alone and people wanted a third Jack Breer film yeah back to the actors 26:45 though regarding now a bit of a tangent there but back to this Patrick hinger guy it's weird Craig he did Jack Reacher 26:52 did a good job I think he did a very serviceable job as a baddy in that film he did a 2018 film called called 26:58 accommodations which is such a low-key film it doesn't even have you know the Wikipedia link like I can't link on any 27:04 information about it and that's it so he hasn't been in a film in seven years wow his last performance on television was 27:10 in three years ago one episode of lawn order yeah so maybe he just retired you 27:18 never know maybe he's got a few million bucks he's retired but it's weird how you kind of have a bit of steady work and it just dries up maybe it's just 27:23 dried up for him what do you think yeah or he found something else to scratch yeah ditch and pay his bills maybe he 27:30 went back to mail modeling who knows yeah sure so again actors names you you 27:36 didn't know the actor names I didn't know we knew one face his name is Robert pson then we had the daughter fake the 27:44 daughter sort of the Homeless girl the pretend assumed a biological daughter danah yuros she was 18 at the time 27:50 playing a 15-year-old what did you think of Danica's performance playing Samantha Jack reachers assumed a biological daughter in the film I'm not a fan of 27:56 that that type of character and that performance I mean it was fine but it 28:03 wrode a line of being like if I was in a worse mood this would really annoy me 28:08 sure which is what the character was supposed to be so no fault of hers but 28:14 that character and that Dynamic has been done like the street smart kid who sure 28:19 but at the same time we get that great bit between her and Jack at the end on the rooftop when he had given her he 28:25 kind of teased her about learning that move earlier in the movie and then of course it pays off of course to the line 28:31 that triggers it so cinematically it did everything it was supposed to do but that's my biggest critique of this movie 28:39 overall is there's a lot of interactions and character interplay 28:46 and scenarios that feel just a little too cliche okay that's fair watching 28:52 this film I asked myself now watching the ewick films as as I've now done I've 28:59 watched up to this point I'm now watching all these films in order so in in a way I'm watching it through the lens of this director like why is Ed 29:05 doing this film what is he what is he bringing what's his vision as a director to this film and it it dawned on me why 29:12 he might have been also asked to do this film and it was apparent right away at the very beginning do you have any 29:18 guests or where where I might be going with I'm not trying to lead the witness but why do you think Ed might have been brought in to direct the second Jack 29:24 Reacher film even Vice the first one let's say for the male female Dynamic 29:30 exactly so that's his Forte he has always been good at loving other drugs 29:36 is a huge example of that that's what it's all about but he's very good at the interpersonal relationships with people 29:41 that's what his blood sweat tears is he's able to handle a large cast very well and I think that was done very well 29:47 in this film so again we had a myriad of characters in this film and Ed has always had the ability for me as a 29:53 viewer of his films where I'm always able to manage who's who in the zoo he does a great job of managing multiple 29:59 characters for me so even better than the first film did for me there was a lot of baddies and Side characters I 30:04 wasn't tracking them as much but Ed has this great ability to make you I don't know if invest is the right word but you 30:10 at least you're following the story and you're understanding who's who in the zoo and why they're there but yeah at 30:17 the very beginning of the film folks Kobe small smolders and Tom Cruz's characters they have this phone playay 30:24 conversation and maybe I just came off Ling other drugs a couple movies ago but I was like am I watching a dating show 30:30 you know the flirtations the but it was directed very well it was edited very well it wasn't too schlocky or corny it 30:37 was just enough like yeah he's a warm-blooded male she's a warm-blooded female they're both talking to each other and there's some sort of you know 30:43 Jack's like I'm G to go check her out I'm G to go visit her at work and ask her out for coffee it it felt very 30:48 natural and it wasn't until that well it was at the beginning but it was at that moment it dawned on me oh Ed this is Ed 30:57 this is kind of Ed's wickedness of this film and then now we're bringing the proposed or supposed biological daughter 31:02 how that plays into the film uh again the relationships you have Tom and Kobe's characters playing mother and 31:10 father to this girl so when I allowed myself to treat this pretend it was 31:16 almost comical but I think it was meant to be that they were acting like parents remember the hotel oh she never listens 31:22 to me I can't believe it's almost like a family sitcom at the whole yeah and I'm I'm sure we'll start talking about her 31:28 soon but I also almost feel like Colby was the weak link if you look 31:35 at that hotel room scene okay if you want to use the analogy of a car so 31:40 let's say that Tom Cruz from an acting standpoint is a Lamborghini okay and it feels like that 31:47 scene the performance is the Lamborghini driving through S streets the 31:53 Lamborghini needs to open up and be on the highway going 80 M an hour 31:58 and it felt to me like Cruz's performance in those 32:03 scenes suffered because I don't know if he was trying to bring down 32:10 his performance to match the flatness of col's performance but for me the balance 32:17 just felt off to me and and that's fair it it felt to me like I was like wow it seems like Cruz is in rehearsal mode 32:25 more than full-on performance mode I know you're not a huge fan of her but you talked about Anne Hathaway on The 32:30 Love and Other Drugs episode right she's a really really good actress and I give 32:36 me that that yes okay you can almost imagine in if you drop an actress of her caliber into that scene how much better 32:43 that dance might have been because Cruz will take it as as high as you can but I 32:49 also think he's a smart enough actor that he's not gon to expose you as well and and you know no that's actually 32:57 great you're right yeah Co you know it's funny I I 33:02 dislike the way as a I don't it sounds terrible I don't know either one of these individuals from Adam so I'm just 33:09 it's it's fine to think somebody isn't like genuine and if you think they're disingenuous or or anything like that 33:16 but it's funny when you were talking about her you know I'm from from New Jersey and halfway actually is from that 33:23 area I was dating a girl at 20 some years ago and we used to go around parts 33:31 of Jersey and watch high school productions and at the end of the year they would give out this Rising Star 33:36 reward oh and one of the claim to fame was that Anne hathway had come from the 33:42 rising star program so that's why she's always been on my radar there was sort of a connection to her and it seemed 33:48 like her I don't know how connected an Hathaway is but it's always cool to see 33:54 somebody make it that isn't like a neppo baby or didn't I mean this was a 34:01 girl from Jersey that ended up starring in Blockbusters which it doesn't always 34:07 happen you're normally you're Linked In somehow you know somebody and for Anne hathway it always seemed to me her 34:14 Talent coupled with a lot of other things including her physical attractiveness got her where she is have 34:21 you seen love other drugs not yet yeah you'll see her new Thro enjoy that she 34:28 as we said in that episode she is naked quite a bit and she's fantastic she very easy to look at I I'll give her that and 34:34 but you're absolutely correct Craig I would be lying to say that Kobe smolders 34:39 is not a better actress than an hathway that's a very interesting thought experiment to put an hathway in this 34:47 film boy because you're right you're absolutely right that whole 34:52 interpersonal relationship with the two between her and Cruz and playing up with the parents the pretend daughter it 34:59 would have been elevated with an you're absolutely right she would have tackled that better Kobe funny enough is from Vancouver which is right where I'm from 35:06 that same neck of the so maybe I relate to as a fellow Canadian but 35:11 objectively Kobe smolders is not an actress that I've enjoyed and I as an 35:16 actress I think I think she's a sweet here's the funny thing and halfway better actor but I would rather have 35:22 coffee with Kobe so yeah and no and she's fine like I mean I she's fine she's no but she's also good on like how 35:29 I met your mother but then it gets to like the whole discussion about like TV actor versus movie actor they're 35:36 different they're different skill sets so I think she might just fall into the category where it's unfortunate but it's 35:43 a good unfortunate because she's you know made Millions from being a TV star for you know 10 seasons she was good in 35:49 that I love that show I watched every episode but she and her H what was the guy's name that always the narrator dude 35:55 like the guy who the character's name was Ted Ted right that's right Ted Ted and Kobe's character were my least kind 36:01 of favorite of of the four main characters I enjoyed them but I enjoyed you know in fact Alison Hanigan is the 36:09 reason why I start watching I'm I've watched him Buffy of course the American Pie films but I was a Buffy ftic and I was I've been in love with her since the 36:15 Buffy films the franchise so I followed her career like really she's doing a sitcom I'm sure I would have watch 36:21 Allison in a weekly sitcom why not but it turned out to be genely a good show but Kobe funny enough was never really 36:28 never truly made me I don't know I don't remember being like laugh out loud like 36:33 oh I love her again sweetheart of a person nothing against her this is my long way of saying she felt out of place 36:40 here it felt a little bit miscast and did they go for the lowest not low that 36:45 um yeah well here's the thing like we said everyone's name on this bill is Affordable that's what I'm 36:52 trying to there you go everyone is Affordable and Kobe at this time probably just got off How I Met Your Mother close to so she's you know a 36:59 pretty big sitcom so there's a bit of a draw to see her in this she's doing Marvel films too as a side character so 37:05 there's a bit of a draw with her but she's more affordable than in halfway did they hire Kobe to keep the 37:11 budget down great yeah sure and this also gets to like Tom Cruz as producer because he produced this movie as well 37:17 so when you're looking at the budget and the money you have to work with it's like okay we might not be able to spend 37:24 a lot of money but let's find appropriate people for the roles also at 37:30 the same time I'm like we're making a sequel to a a movie that did okay we've got the name recognition already you 37:37 know Scarlett Johansson isn't going to bring anything e extra to to the box 37:42 office because she's in it you know what I mean like it didn't like Tom Cruz is the draw here like people are gonna go 37:49 see it because oh it's a sequel to Jack Reacher th those are like two things that are getting asses and seats so it 37:56 it doesn't need to be a a loaded Marquee no so this budget was the same 38:01 as the first film so in a weird way that's that's not very common that the sequel of a franchise will have a lesser 38:07 budget than the first film so what does that tell you they save money on cast 38:13 yeah yeah but also that might explain why there wasn't a third film like for whatever reason they just didn't get the 38:19 returns that they were hoping for and they were like hey we'll make a sequel but we're not giving you one and a half 38:27 time the budget of the first movie you know it's like if you want to make it here's the budget go to town there was 38:33 talk and whisperings that they would they would do it but it's always about hey it's a business about money that the 38:38 second film made a little bit back not enough to Warrant a third film with the trajectory of such was it's going to 38:44 keep going down with each film so when you open up Paramount plus they have the different 38:49 categories and it feels like the last two or three months the two Jack Reacher 38:56 films are in their like most watched category oh wow and then also if you go 39:01 to like the action it'll be like all time Cru film in like the most watched it would be like whatever Mission 39:06 Impossibles are on Paramount plus the two Jack Reacher films and then top gun 39:12 Maverick I mean people are watching those movies but then at the same time it's like well they've got the Jack Reacher TV show now which basic a 39:19 different network it basically it killed killed any chance of there being 39:25 another Cruise Reacher movie because if anything Amazon will probably make a 39:31 featurelength Jack Reacher movie in the new Reacher Universe if you look at the Hellboy movies the first Hellboy movie 39:38 came out did whatever it did but then it did great on DVD right so that allowed 39:43 them to do the Golden Army or whatever and it almost feels like that effect 39:48 isn't allowed to be in play here because they've already made other movies you know so it's kind of funny that Reacher 39:55 is doing great streaming numbers but there's no way to capitalize on it unless a lot of people are going back to 40:01 watch those movies because of the Amazon show and then there's like that's what I was gon to say you just took that out of 40:06 my mouth yeah I think in a weird way people are like oh Tom did this film franchise like I guess I heard about 40:12 that and I think if they're able to just put this way I hadn't seen the first film and the second film since I watched 40:20 the first two seasons of the TV show recently and so when I went back and watched the film starring Tom Cruz once 40:26 I race like a it's a different yeah it's a different actor I'm used to different actors playing Batman Superman joker I'm always able to like okay it's a 40:32 character it's a different actor playing the same character Tom does a good job embracing the character and 40:39 so the character is and the way he acts is not foreign to what you see on the TV show so so both actors play the novel 40:47 character fairly well like I'm not Jarred by the behavior of Tom Cruz's portrayal going back and watching the 40:52 films after watching the current TV series I I can I can piggyback off that because we didn't really talk about the 40:58 be the the opening of this movie and I think the opening of this movie is really cool 41:03 because it drops you right into things it starts with the cops arriving on scene there's like two or three bodies 41:11 strewn in the parking lot and the Witnesses are like man those guys got destroyed the cops like who did it and 41:17 they're like him and you see Tom Cruz from behind sitting in the diner and then you get that whole setup where 41:24 Reacher has this confidence because he says in the next 90 seconds two things are going to happen that phone's going 41:30 to ring and you're going to be in cuffs and the thing I like about the scene is it alludes to a previous sort of 41:37 Adventure that we're catching the end of yeah so it's almost like fil between the films yeah and then also it gives you 41:44 for people that don't know the character it's a good introduction to the character is it's like okay 41:50 obviously he has the ability to take out and severely injure people in a you know 41:57 a parking lot brawl but then also have this confidence in this bravado when he's dealing with this corrupt sheriff 42:05 or whatever it's a great opening I almost wish that we would have gotten like a little short film on the DVD or 42:11 something even if it was five minutes to show us the leadup to it well that's the advantage of doing these TV series Vice 42:18 the films I find they're able to I don't know why I guess it's just setups or set 42:25 pieces because they're able to do eight of TV in a year they wait four years between films and I'm like why is that 42:32 why are they able to do a very well done show on Reacher Eight Episodes and you know good action sequences sure they not 42:38 have any huge explosions and buildings collapsing but why like I think movies 42:44 need to figure out how to meet that middle ground of serialized TV and or 42:49 quicker releases of movies like four years between films probably didn't help it either yeah and I wonder if there's 42:56 another book in the series that that opening scene is yes it yes it did it oh 43:02 is it oh yeah no it's good good question so yes it was based on uh a book called 43:07 one shot I believe this film never go back but they did say that the opening scene was based on the end of another 43:13 book sorry this was actually based on never go back my apologies yeah yeah one first movie that's right but that 43:21 sequence of the trafficking was actually applauded in another book so they kind of oh that's cool I might have to check 43:27 my library for that so that's what I like about they they say true to the book stay true to the characters I guess so yeah so if you're a Jack Reacher fan 43:34 of the book series and you're in the theater you're like oh this is the end of the 16th entry in the series or 43:40 whatever oh that's cool it's like a little Easter egg maybe what I was going to say was if you watch the movies 43:45 because of the TV show because it's pretty well done I that's what it meant to say maybe was that you're watching Tom Cruz's performance and once you get 43:52 okay it's a different actor playing it the character is the same is what I'm saying you're not Jarred by the film 43:59 experience having watched the TV show cuz I did that I watched the movies again after the TV show I was like oh 44:04 yeah it's the same character yeah you could drop that dude from the TV show into the opening scene of this movie and 44:10 it would feel completely appropr yeah if you like somehow AI CGI Allen's 44:15 character as a doing everything Tom does in that film but it's his body you wouldn't be confused by the movie it it 44:22 would be Jack Reacher yeah yeah all right so well we've talked a lot about Tom so Kobe back to Kobe serviceable but 44:30 I agree with your an hathway better actress would have made probably would have made the film a little bit better I hate to say because a lot of it was 44:35 relationship stuff and Kobe fun sweet personality I'm sure she's a sweetheart of a person but yeah 44:43 t-shirt too she looked great in the t-shirt and but I think she might have been above her pay grade a little bit 44:49 I'd imagine Tom Cruz is a hard person to to act against because oh yeah it's Tom 44:55 Cruz and yeah and to her credit she did it like that I I would bet if you were 45:01 to interview her and she was honest let's just or just ask her like friend to friendless say like hey was it nerve-wracking being around Tom 45:09 probably because he's intense not in a mean way he he's old business he's the First on set last leave he's there he's 45:15 producer he's the boss of the film he's like yeah yeah again to me it feels like he's sparring as opposed to straight up 45:23 boxing yeah good point in those scenes at least now Tom Cruz what are your thoughts just 45:29 overall I guess with Tom back in an action sequence type film he does everything he's supposed to do in this 45:34 movie The Other aspect of this is unlike the first movie although we did have the 45:41 the lawyer character in the first movie but that Dynamic was different here 45:46 right there was more of an ensemble to work with so I think the focus wasn't as 45:52 much on him so he was able to sort of just be another character on funny they bring that up because they talked about 45:58 if a third film was going to be done it was going to be even more of an assemble piece yeah I almost wonder if well yeah 46:05 I mean Jack Reacher you always have to have the Jack Reacher character but yeah that's interesting because if 46:12 you remember like what like that is it the fourth or the fifth Mission Impossible movie where he 46:18 climbs the tallest building in Dubai or whatever or the tallest building in the world that movie it it feels like they 46:24 were setting that up where like Ethan Hunt could have been like okay I'm off 46:29 to go enjoy a quiet life cuz it feels like they set that up for all those other characters you know what in 46:35 another universe or another timeline there might be like the Jeremy rener you know Paula Patton 46:42 series Ryan laugh like sure oh that's a great sequence that's 46:49 one reason why my son loves Tom so much he appreciates that he does the stunts even as a young viewer he thinks it's so 46:56 cool that this is Tom on screen I love that about Tom Cruz too he's not going 47:01 to be able to do it forever even Jackie Chan had to bow it eventually your body just doesn't do it anymore it's unfortunate but uh okay so I'm gonna 47:09 play you the first snippet we have here from edwick mouth regarding this film 47:14 Jack Reacher never go back which Tom Cruz and I made in 2016 fizzled at the box office I blame myself and my willing 47:22 accomplice Don Granger for thinking the audience might enjoy a man up of Jack reer and paper moon when in fact they 47:29 just wanted more red meat thoughts on that assessment it it was by m critique of 47:36 the film so to hear him address that is you know I didn't 47:41 want I I know the film but I don't know what it's about what what what Ryan O'Neal and Tatum O'Neal father and 47:48 daughter oh the father daughter issue okay oh I yeah okay that was the criticism you brought up so he pointed 47:54 that out that's out but it was based on a book that had 48:00 that but it wasn't as much in the book I guess he leaned into it you know he leaned into it yeah yeah that's a yeah 48:05 that's that's funny very it's very astute that you brought that up as a criticism and so did Ed so good job on 48:11 that yeah maybe if they had picked a different book you're right it might have made a few more million sure fair 48:17 enough at the beginning of the episode I talked about how many times I've watched this movie in the last year like when I 48:23 watched it again last night after having just watched it two weeks ago I didn't groan and say oh my God I have to watch 48:29 this movie again I sat down and I watched it and I enjoyed it there's certain movies I won't do that for yeah 48:34 if I watched a two weeks ago I'd be like you know what I'll remember enough to talk about sure you know but this movie 48:39 I was like you know what it's not GNA be a a bad two hours of my time it was my 48:45 first time watching it since it's whatever DVD releaser at the time 2016 or I maybe streaming back then maybe 48:52 eight years ago but uh yeah when I was watching like oh this is better than 48:58 maybe I remember or people gave it credit for because it's a very good maybe we I've seen some really crappy 49:04 action films lately but it was just I was just like yeah this is a fine movie The acting's Good the action sequences 49:10 are fun I'm following the plot along my kids are even enjoying it even those very talky at the beginning I was getting a little bit worried I like well 49:15 is there much action in this F I can't remember but they they were still engaged they were following the storyline they were listening and what 49:21 we said before about what people are experiencing Craig on streaming would indicate that people are watching it so 49:26 maybe it's just one of those things that things get better with time like it was just release at a weird time who knows 49:32 what the public was doing at that time because it seem I didn't see in theaters and I don't remember why I mean there 49:37 you go I just didn't I mean I saw the first one in theaters and admittedly my life is was different in 2016 than it 49:44 was in 2012 I was living in a different state and I was single when the first one came out engaged when the second one 49:50 came out so I wasn't going to the movies as much as well I didn't see this movie 49:55 until years later okay I think there's I think there's maybe two more Clips one 50:02 for sure I had a wonderful time working with Kobe smoulders and I certainly don't blame Tom he was great in the 50:08 movie he just wasn't 6'2 as the novelist Le child had described his protagonist 50:14 and should Tom happen to call about making a third movie together I'll definitely pick up so he mentions the 50:20 the it's funny that he brings it up because obviously the first film would already come come up it's interesting that I think he recognized the right on 50:26 the too I think he probably read the scuttlebutt on the internet too but it didn't hurt the first 50:31 film but it didn't help it I think I guess another another layer of despite 50:36 Cruz's best acting and best or whatever like all the all the oomph that he puts in his films he can't over unfortunately 50:43 you just can't overcome height it's just a reality of G DNA yeah by the way Lee child has a cameo in the first movie 50:50 he's like a desk clerk Tom Cruz and the lawyer character the girl from Gone Girl 50:56 I forgot her name name and they have like an interaction Pike Roseman Pike yeah she's also from a Bond movie so 51:02 there's a scene between the two of them and there's like a desk clerk there I don't know if it's a cop or or somebody 51:07 and he pays off the joke there's a joke and then he kind of looks up nods his head or whatever that's Lee Child okay 51:15 okay now it's interesting brought up Kobe and again I told you I think she's a sweetheart of a person her acting this 51:20 film is serviceable it's fine it wasn't bad but it just felt she felt or looked or performed a little bit of Fish Out of 51:27 Water like carrying an action film with Tom Cruz it just it it didn't quite land 51:33 though she gave it a all but I like how Ed did say she's a sweetheart person and keep in mind his last big actress that 51:39 he worked with was Anne hathway which I think he had more of Trouble with so I think he just had to throw in Kobe was 51:44 great she was sweet and Tom gave it his all now before we move on to I think the last clip of 51:50 this one I think there I think there's one more I will say Tom back to his acting again he's just a darn good actor 51:57 the end of the movie when he saying goodbye to his you know not his daughter but they're having that goodbye I 52:03 thought he did great saying goodbye to this young actress with playing his daughter I love that goodbye secret it wasn't hokey it wasn't corny it was 52:10 actually quite moving Tom's jaw clenching the the look in his eyes about how as Reacher he's like I can't show 52:16 like I this this shouldn't be affecting me you know I've killed people with my pinky and this girl has gotone into my 52:22 heart a little bit and when she says like you're probably disappointed not your daughter he's like actually I'm I'm or you're probably happy I'm not 52:28 your daughter yeah yeah no you could tell there was a little bit of like disappointment that he wasn't her yeah 52:34 he was like it could have been a mission I could have done this is another mission in life so to speak but I thought Tom's acting and the hug at the 52:40 end there was great and it was funny I forgot if they hugged or not so they were like I'm like come on well they 52:46 have to slide the phone in there there's multiple sliding the phone into the pocket gags in this movie so I watching 52:52 the film with my kids and I'm like come on Tom hug her and then she walks away and I'm like oh crap I they hug and then she came running back like I knew what I 52:58 said like but they do this big hug and I thought I don't know I thought it was a great Direction Ed that's what Ed is 53:05 good at he's good at the emotion stuff and oh yeah and she she had the single tear the Denzel single teer came out of 53:11 her like Ed he loves to get that tear out of his actors and so apparently he whipped her too apparently behind the 53:18 scenes just but yeah I should have done a single tier count from the Eds of films okay I think there's one more clip 53:24 here if not we'll Alan Stewart and Alex Soros knew how much trial by fire meant to me okay no 53:31 that's it that was just the two okay all right so that is it from Ed's book there 53:36 Craig for you to hear regarding the films this is your last film to do on the Ed's Wick podcast I know I talked 53:42 about before in a previous episode or two that I was going to maybe do some of his movies that he wrote or produce and 53:49 I'm American Assassin American Assassin I won't say I'll never go back I'm excited about another project that I 53:55 have Rolling In My Head about another director that I quite enjoy but another one that I enjoy for just for a couple films but I want to explore the ones I 54:02 haven't seen and do you want me to spoil it do you want me to tell you Terrence mik oh wow that's not gonna 54:10 be a really long series though he's got what 11 10 or 11 it's the same idea he's got a couple documentaries too so that's 54:16 why I kind of wanted to do that it's almost like a very Ed wikian type career where yeah do you don't have 2530 films 54:23 but the films are all interesting in a weird way had the big break of course for 20 years between two films and yeah 54:30 I don't want to talk too much well I can tease a little bit Yeah The Thin Red Line was when I got first introduced to him as a director and I was like I love 54:37 that film Beautiful film I know saving prior Ryan the dday the D-Day Landing is 54:42 what it is I get all that stuff but boy be on board for the uh for the for the 54:47 new world oh great film so yeah but there's a couple of his recent ones I just haven't seen yet just because of 54:53 timing and this and that I know they didn't get even ially received very well but I want to see why same idea so yeah 55:00 Terence Mal is one I want to tackle but doesn't mean this is so if you're listening to this and you have it in your podcast feed I'm just saying the 55:07 main show is you know theater like his 13 films he did for feature film but bonus episodes I will suspect they will 55:14 come so don't cancel your feed folks we still have one more film to do trial by fire with Doug for the final film but 55:20 Craig before we close I will of course do your link Tree on our episode people can see everything uh your doing but 55:26 your main show right now do you want to talk about your podcast you're doing right now yeah it's probably my my last 55:32 podcast uh it's called the goat dama and basically every episode I present my 55:39 case as to why Brian dama is America's greatest living director yeah we started 55:45 the new year with a a fresh episode and by the time you listen to this there's 55:50 probably two more episodes in 2025 nice and it's a really great show 55:56 in my opinion you've been on it before I'm looking forward to you coming back yes we still have more movies and scenes 56:02 to talk about but yeah basically every episode I let my guest pick a movie and 56:09 a scene from that movie to help us sort of just explain why Brian dama is the 56:16 director that he is and we did a great episode together on The Untouchables yeah I love it yeah it was your it was 56:23 your podcast I want to say again if anyone listening to this or they forgotten it was your podcast that you're doing with Brian dma that 56:28 literally triggered I want to do that with a director and Ed Wick was the first one that came to mind so it was 56:33 because of you your show now I might be on this director Journey with other directors 56:39 that aren't the Steven Spielberg that aren't the Christopher Nolan or even the Quint Tarantino I I kind of wanted to do 56:44 these other directors where people are like oh they did that film yes they did that film too that I enjoy so edwick 56:50 falls into that I think Brian does too people like oh he did Untouchables he also did the other you know whatever other films he so I mean right there 56:57 it's like the guy that made The Untouchables made carry but then he also made scarfed it's like those are about 57:03 the three most different movies you can you can think of like yeah the guy that 57:10 does glory did Pawn sacrifice exactly exactly yeah I love it all right well that's great well thanks for coming on 57:16 and we will be doing we may do a bonus episode yes there are there well sounds like we're doing 57:22 American Assassin with Craig but like I said if you're listen to us on the feed don't don't give up on the feed it just the bonus episodes won't be monthly as 57:29 all so but we they will come out so thanks for uh joining us on this again the next episode TR by fire 57:54 [Music]