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#6 - Tackling Religion (literally) · The Chris and Mike Show

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Oh yeah, screwed up already. I just grew up.
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Can you hear that? Whoa, can you hear that?
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My little Dings on my messenger Dings.
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I didn't that time. Do you hear a little doorbell
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chime every now and then? OK, intro music.
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Yeah, screwed up already. We are Where's my Music Shambles
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already, ladies and gentlemen. So say again.
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I said everything's in shambles already.
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Ladies and gentlemen. Music won't play right?
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Right. These are the golden moments
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that he wanted me to capture. Absolutely, man, you can't do
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the podcast. He'll drive people crazy.
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Why could you ever the fuck I want you to know why?
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Because I'm Mother Fucking Crystal real estate guy.
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Bitch ass motherfuckers. I'm the Tower guy.
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The other guy, the Iron Dog. You got all that right for
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recording. You got all that?
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Every fucking bit of it, man. And.
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The music still won't play. I know music.
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I could just. I could just, hey, you know,
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what can I say? I had a bad day sipping on a
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bottle. Just wasting time away.
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And I don't know what I've been told.
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And I don't know just where I'll go.
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I live my life and take a day by day set my time.
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It'll never fade away. Because I ain't perfect.
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Not the chosen one. I find my piece underneath us on
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you to take me now, baby. How I am Leave the red
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separation of sin. Take me now, baby.
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Let me be. I took my soul and eternity
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because now I lay 6 feet to rest.
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I got no regrets. I got nothing left.
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Just the time that was spent in vain.
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Just the soul crying. I didn't shame because I don't
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believe in the afterlife. I don't believe in Jesus Christ.
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You always hated that line. I don't believe in the words you
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say. I don't believe what the
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preachers say because I don't believe in the common man.
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Did I hate that? One, because I'm a nothing man.
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Let me get rid of that gum now. Yeah, you always hated that
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Jesus Christ line. And there was one song, that one
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song I wrote that I said, I said God damn.
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And you never liked that either. I thought I was fairly religious
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back then. I'm not quite as opinionated
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anymore. Well, no, it's it's.
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No, no, no, no, no, it's not it's not a bad thing.
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It's, you know, that's what makes you who you are, you know.
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Like. Well, I'm not religious per SE,
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right? I would say that's how much I've
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evolved as a person because that wouldn't offend me anymore.
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Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha.
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I'm only offended if it affects me directly, right?
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Yeah, my, my whole, my whole religious, we'll call it, or
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faith driven background was I grew up going to Christian
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Church wanting to be a high school minister for a large
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chunk of of time. I actually was like in like I
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knew the Bible, you know forged back which probably read it
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three times with a young life leader.
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If you're not familiar with young life it's like this
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outreach thing that you do with high school kids to help them
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find God in a non threatening non like fucking in your face
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street corner, Jesus saves thing, you know just like you
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and I hanging out talking. It's just the vibe and the and
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the relationships and the friendships that that once those
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things blossom, then you kind of open the door to, you know, is
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your soul prepared or not? Well, during young life, Part of
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young life where skits like you do skits and you make shit up
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and engage the kids and have fun.
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And that's kind of what, ironically enough got me into
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the whole the acting bug and the performing bug.
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Because you get up there and being in somebody's house,
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right? But you stand in front of like
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30 kids in the living room and he put on some stupid skit.
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Like we had one that was a playoff of Wayne's World.
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It was Garth and barf. And then our barfing was silly
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strangling, you know, But that's that's really what kind of got
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my left side of my brain, 'cause I write, I was a writer, right?
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I always wrote, but that the performing side of it was
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introduced through that. So the reason I'm telling the
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story is I met a couple people during my tenure in young life.
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One was a drummer and one was a guitar player.
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So we formed a band that never really did anything, but that's
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that came from that. And that's one of the reasons
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when I left, when I ventured away through my life, they all
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chastised me because I was leaving this Christian faith
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group to go be in a rock band. Like, OK, so let me get this
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straight. You Christians who believe fully
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in you know he who throws glass? What?
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Who? I don't know what the fuck it is
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now, but you? Know who the judge shouldn't
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live in a glass. My experience, this is not, you
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know, Right. So in my experience, this is
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not. I'm not, you know, baptizing the
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world with a garden host. I got in trouble for that once
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on our show I did. But you're going to judge me for
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wanting to pursue something that could totally have been a
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vehicle on all levels. But you chastisize me and then
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cut me out of their lives completely because I left Young
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Life to be a lead singer in a rock'n'roll band, which that
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band ended up leading me to you so obviously.
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That group of people were Christians or Christian.
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Christian music, I should say. That's what you were doing.
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It wasn't Christian music. No, no, it wasn't.
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It wasn't. I mean, you know, my lyrics, My
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lyrics have overtones and and nothing's ever everything had
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more than one meaning. Whenever I thought this was
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maybe like a worship group. Or something.
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Nope, Nope. Just straight up rock'n'roll.
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Just just, you know, just straight up, straight up Rock
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Band. That that you.
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Know they just happen to be Christians.
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Which was cool. We never didn't exactly.
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Kind of like you too. Well, I've been in.
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I was in a similar. Situation that foundation Kind
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of, yeah. Yeah.
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So elaborate on your situation because it's, you know you
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choose that. We talked about 3 Doors Down
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having that when I saw them in concert with Candlebox and how
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Candlebox Cover Me was full on a song about Kevin talking to God
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being like, what the fuck, man? What the fuck?
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Come on. And I think more people should
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be like, what the fuck in the relationship with God?
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Because I swear to you. How do we?
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Well, I mean, I don't, I don't want to go down.
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I'm listening. I don't want to go down to how
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do we know there's God Rd. Because that just irritates
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people. We're not no well.
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Yeah. Well, we're no, I guess where
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I'm coming from is. We're not.
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We're not, yeah? I asked that path.
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We're we're. I ask that question every day,
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man. I mean, I've.
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I've never seen him or her or it or whatever.
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You know, to your point, people should question what they
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believe all the time, right? You got to think for yourself,
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man. You can't believe what somebody
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told you as a young child. They, you know, now that I'm an
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adult, I look back. And if you go?
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What did those people know? That we're trying to tell me how
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life was right? They only knew as much as I know
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and I don't know shit, so. Yeah, yeah, I get that and that
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that. To me, if you're not questioning
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things every day, then what the fuck are you doing with your
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life? Because everything, everything
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has a question and answer. I mean, hell, you drive me down
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the street. I question who the fuck's in
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front of me, why they're driving so stupid.
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Right, absolutely. That's a question.
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So you have to have conversations with yourself.
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And if you're not answering your questions on your own
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conversations, there's something wrong with you.
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Correct? Like people that say you're
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allowed to talk to yourself or not, but but once you start
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answering your questions, there's something wrong.
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No, once you fail to answer your own questions in the
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conversation you're having with yourself, that's where
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something's wrong because there's a disconnect somewhere
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in your mind that you're not understanding.
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The conversation you have is 2 sided, even though it's just you
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having the conversation. But there's Did you know that
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Long Day was written? There's so many people that just
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go through their emotions every day, right?
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They don't think about what they're doing, yeah.
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Oh yeah, that's, that's, it's the no at all.
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No, they don't question like coffins driving down the
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highway, to quote a line from Point Break.
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Great movie, Great movie. No, and I think, I think I mean
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from A and we're on topic of religion, so we might as well.
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It was, well, the original 1, not the remake, but a. 100%
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Yeah, just piss everybody off because.
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But since we're on this topic when I'm always going to stay
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here so. I've completely changed my views
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on this subject. Why was I was going somewhere
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that with with the concept of like I can remember as a kid,
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like a small child, you know, praying.
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Like, you know, I don't. It was never ingrained to me
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from the monster. But it was ingrained to me
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because I was going to church, because the reason we went to
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church is so she could fuck the dude she had an affair with for,
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you know, fucking ungodly amounts of years where we were
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at church. And I stopped going to church
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because she stopped picking us up on time and I ended up being
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the last kid standing in the parking lot for an hour.
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So I'm like, fuck it, I'm not going to church anymore.
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So that's all on her. But there's always, there's
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always like I do a lot with homeless and I do a lot of
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outreach and it's kind of like that thing.
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It's like granite Every every choice you make in life has a
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consequence. But when when you when I see the
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things that I see at the level that I see them, choices are not
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if if there's a God, where is God.
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Like why would a 2 year old get kidnapped, you know, raped and
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assaulted for five years and just to be found and then
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returned to his, you know, rightful parents at the age of
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seven only to be mentally fucked up for the rest of his life?
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So now that's a miracle. Where's the God in that?
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No, now that's a miracle. Right.
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But it's not a miracle. How's it a miracle?
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That's what the Christians will tell you.
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I'm just telling you that you're advocate here's.
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That's why. That's what the Christians will
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tell you. Oh, what the miracle?
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Yeah. Yeah, OK.
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Makes sense? I'm with you.
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I think it's fucked up. Yeah 'cause I wrote a song.
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Last. Band I was in, I'm Yeah, Yeah,
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way fucked up, right? So remember the song I wrote?
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Letter to God in the last band I was in.
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I do, yes. Yeah.
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So there's lyric and there's lyric in there that that oh,
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that's escape me. But why?
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Why do you offer? It's kind of like why do you
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offer absolution where the sinners sit next to the Saints.
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Because in Christian the concept of Christianity you the ABC's
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you accept and believe and commit.
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So you accept your life. You accept that Jesus died for
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your sins. You have full belief in that and
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you commit your life to living Christ.
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Like, right? The ABC's not always be closing
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but you know so the story rumor has it, Dahmer one of the
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greatest. And I'm not saying that as an
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asshole, but I've I've, I've, I've always been engrossed with
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serial killers and mass murderers in that dark side of
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life. I don't.
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Know if you and I used to have. Probably because.
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In depth conversations about that, I remember I have the same
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fascination. Right, right.
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Yeah. So, right my my fascination
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probably stems come from being abused and what not growing up.
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And then so it's just it took that dark side.
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But the way to me to channel that darkness was #1 writing #2
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music and performing. But then I just would be
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engrossed in these documentaries.
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So Dahmer, rumor has it Dahmer found God while in prison,
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right. So from a Christian standpoint,
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if if you're a full blown God fearing Bible told in Christian,
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OK, and I'm not slamming anybody because been there, done that.
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I used to. The worst thing came out of my
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mouth for years was Fudge. Not fuck, but fudge nothing
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against it. Either if it helps that person.
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Dahmer found God in prison. Dom, Right.
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Dahmer found God in prison, according to many sources.
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So if that's if that was a true and accurate statement and he
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truly did the ABC's of Christianity, Dahmer's in heaven
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right now, even though he, he killed and cannibalized and
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consumed and chopped up, You know what's never really going
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to be known? The true figure.
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So we'll just call, you know, 20 people.
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But he's legit. He's, he's sitting.
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If there's a heaven, he's up there right now.
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Chill. Or up there, down there,
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wherever it's at, you know, could be the astral playing on
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the other side of my tree for all I know.
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But he's in heaven because he he accepted, committed or accepted,
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believed and committed his life according to Christian theology.
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Now if you're Catholic, doesn't matter what the fuck you do, you
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just die. You just die and go to purgatory
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for X amount of years to absolve for your sins and then you taken
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on to the next level. So it's kind of like I'm I was I
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was born in the Catholic Church because I was 2 1/2 months
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early, but I was baptized Methodist, which is lazy
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Catholic. I was baptized Catholic.
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So, right. So see, you're Catholic so
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there's nothing you can do wrong in the eyes of Catholicism.
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You could go out right now on a shooting spree and hit every you
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know Circle K 711 putting cap in everybody's asses and and end up
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having a you know a smoking the bandit trail police officer
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coming after you like you know a three day standoff.
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And you finally give yourself up and you go to prison get
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convicted of this mass slaying of all these Circle K workers
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and you're sticking it to the man in your death row.
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And 40 years from now because our government fucking judicial
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system is so fucked up you're going to be put to death but
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you're Catholic so you're cool man.
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There's like and you know there's nothing wrong you just
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you, you say a couple hairy Marys and and so be it.
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Why do you think all the mobsters were Catholic?
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OK, I got a question that I just.
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Absolution man. They all got absolved for their
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sins for Hail Marys. I've just asked this question
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recently, so I'll ask you because I value your opinion.
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OK. Being raised a Christian, you
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are taught that you have to accept Christ as your savior.
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He's died on the cross for all your sins, correct?
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Correct. We've agreed that far, OK?
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Yes. So what happens to the Muslims
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and the Islam Islamic people, the Hindus, the Buddhists, What
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happens to them when they die? They're all going to hell
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because they don't accept Christ as their savior.
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The Jews, even the Jews, don't believe Jesus was the savior.
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Oh. What happens to all those
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people? According to Christian theology,
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if you don't believe, if you don't accept, believe, commit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah, they go to hell, Mike.
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You. Know so this is where my.
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Suffering in the pit of fire? It's the back conundrum.
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Slowly but surely that's where the whole thing unravelled for
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me. So it started unraveling there.
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I'm like everyone else is going to hell because they don't
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believe in Christ. I I just can't accept that.
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The second thing, that the second thing that made me really
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sit up and go what's wrong with this picture is that I learned
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that we can only translate 75% of Hebrew because there's no
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numbers in the Hebrew language that it's all letters.
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So we had to guess at 25% of translating the Bible from
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Hebrew to English then. And also one more #3 was that
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Constantine commissioned the New Testament to be written 1000
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years after Christ walked the earth, supposedly.
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And whether he did or didn't, there's a lot of proof that he
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did. Right.
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But still, they didn't write these stories till 1000, years
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after you and I are telling stories that happened 30 years
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ago to us, and we're kind of remembering bits and pieces as
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we go. Along 20 right, right for 20
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years. Right.
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These books were written 1000 years later.
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You're telling me those stories are accurate?
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Come on now. I know, right?
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Well, here's the other thing that.
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That that Mary, you know the. Immaculate Mother of God, yes.
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Right. I forget who I think John did.
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John write. I'm drawing a blank now.
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But John? John penned the the the half the
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Bible Right was all based on. Well, there's the book.
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There's the book of John, and then he also wrote the Book of
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Revelations. It's a wiping.
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Well, what it was is was was Mary was dictating.
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I heard this somewhere. I thought it was fascinating,
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was dictating to the disciples who pinned the books of the
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Bible telling Jesus's story. The problem is, is that Mary was
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was eating natural remedy mushrooms while she was telling
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these stories. So she was hallucinating the
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entire time she was telling these stories and they were all
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scribing them down, writing them down South.
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And there's nobody to discount that idea that that she was
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eating psychedelic mushrooms that were naturally grown.
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Because back then everything was naturally grown correct, you
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know, and and everything was just a trip.
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Everything was just a trip. But like he didn't part the Red
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Sea, you know, as it or he, he could not have parted the Red
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Sea as it's as it stated. He could have just, she could
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have just been tripping on on, you know, mushrooms.
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And in her mind he parted the sea, where he actually just
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maybe, swam across it. Right.
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The Adam. What is it?
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You know the Adam Muscaria. Burning Bush was because MO,
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right? It grows readily in that part
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of. The world and and Moses was was
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right and and and Moses was smoking a joint and he flipped
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it, you know, And that's when he caught the Bush on fire And he
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was too embarrassed to say, yes, I'm smoking pot to point out
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that that was me that caused that.
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So he just said, oh, it's a miracle from God, God's the
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burning Bush. So there's all these little
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things. This is history brought to you
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by Chris Dunham. They're.
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Also, we're going to get lit up for this one.
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No people. OK, here's my here's my homework
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for the listening audience. Go out and do some research
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because that's what I did. To Chris's point, there's
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actually a guy named John Marco Allegro, and he believes he's a
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renowned scientist, author. You know, this is a guy who went
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to school, got educated, did everything that society asked of
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him. And he really believes that with
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the amount of mushrooms that grew naturally in that part of
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the world, there was no Internet, there was no
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television. There wasn't 57,000 things to do
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on Saturday night. So they were picking up cow
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patties and they were eating mushrooms and they were tripping
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their balls off. And there's two things that
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people should not talk about if they've never done it, and
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that's have children and talk about children.
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Or if you've never done drugs, don't talk about doing drugs you
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don't know. You've never been there.
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I've tripped my ass off many times.
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I know exactly what it entails. I can talk to you about it.
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I've been on plenty of trips. It's great.
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I highly recommend it. Do it under a safe environment
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with a guide. Yeah, but that's what those
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people were doing. And let me tell you, you are on
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another fucking planet when you're doing it.
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You you are seeing and hearing things that you believe are
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there, but nobody else can see, right?
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So are they really there? Am I really there?
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Am I really here? Right, That's the thing.
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Because that's kind of like, right, Exactly.
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This could all be a dream. This could be the Matrix, man.
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We don't know. We could all be plugged into a
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little conveyor belt of just body fluids that's fueling the
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machine. Totally.
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Just think about it. You're you're born.
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You live. You die.
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It's it's like, correct. Yep.
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It's like that. Your life is over like that.
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Like I'm, you know, I'm, I'm on the other side of 50 now.
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And it's that. It's that thing, man.
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It's just like, fuck, you know? How much longer do I have to
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live, you know? And that question crops up into
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your mind more and more does. It not like when I was, Oh yeah.
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And when I was a kid, 50 was fucking old man like.
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Dude, we thought we were turned 40 when we were 30.
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Over the hill party and you know I well, yeah, Vision, Vision,
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the whole Vision song was I was going to be dead when I was 30.
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We all, none of us thought we were going to make it that.
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Far, yeah. Exactly.
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Well, thank goodness. You know but yeah it's it's a
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trip that right. And it's a trip that I I I've
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sold homes you know in my 25 years of selling houses because
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that's what I do for a living as I'm the real estate guy for
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those of you that don't know. So when you're ready to sell
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buy, you call the real estate guy for Arizona anyway, but when
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if thank you, I appreciate that. So when.
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He sold me a house, so I know I would.
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Sell the the adult community homes right So the adult
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community jargon, you know when I first got in the business you
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know you'd you'd I was 20 what was it 99 so 2930 years old and
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I'd I'd sell houses to people that wanted to go live in the
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adult communities which are 55 plus even back then it's like
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it's like they were old like I can remember like they were like
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legitimately 55 was old man. Oh yeah.
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And now the 50 is like the new 30 it's it's crazy and it's not
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so much technology because the right.
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I mean life hasn't changed the way you live it.
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I mean I'm more I'm you know obviously I'm a physically
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active individual and I don't I don't eat shit.
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I don't drink and. Something changed.
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Though smoke, anything that's, you know, going to make me look
24:10
like I'm something had to right somewhere along that path.
24:14
In these last 25 years, something had to have been
24:19
evolved because why is it now 50 year olds or like 30 year olds?
24:24
You know, Well, like like it's just it's a trip and it's not.
24:28
I just saw something on Facebook the other day that showed Fred
24:32
Sanford, Archie Bunker, George Jefferson.
24:40
And it said, you know, like Archie was 46 or 52 when he did
24:45
that show. And oh, Don Knotts was like 50
24:50
when he was on Three's Company. Dude, they look like they were
24:53
next to death. Yeah, they did.
24:58
Totally. I'm. 50 I hope I don't look like
25:01
I'm next to death, right? I just turned 50.
25:04
I hope I don't look like I'm dying.
25:05
No, no, you know. I feel good.
25:08
You don't. Most and most people will.
25:10
Most people try. Yeah.
25:11
Most people tell me I'm I'm 40s, like low 40s.
25:15
One every now and then. So you're in your 30s?
25:17
Like, no, come on, don't, don't kiss my ass.
25:21
But I just you know and there's but there, right.
25:25
But then there's legit. Like again because I do so much
25:28
with homeless and I I I coordinate meals and things like
25:31
that. I'm on a board for a a Community
25:33
Center. Some of these homeless people,
25:34
man, could be 20 years old and you just fucking look at them
25:37
you think they're 60. Oh yeah.
25:38
So it it really it's it's I think a lot of it has to do with
25:42
what you put in your what you put in your body and how you
25:44
live and and I think drinking is a big thing because I haven't
25:47
had a drink. February will be 19 years and I
25:50
think, I think booze definitely weathers you and.
25:54
You don't have to toll. On your body, mentally and
25:56
physically. You can and just with somebody
25:59
that's right, you know, just been in the bar the whole life
26:03
or sucking down gallons of vodka every day.
26:05
You're right. It weathers you, man.
26:10
Right, right. Yeah.
26:11
And then you have the ones that are daily drinkers, that it may
26:15
not weather them, but they it's just a lot it it changes.
26:22
It's that whole concept. Like we went, we started with
26:25
the religion, innuendo stuff. You're welcome.
26:27
But but like your body's, your temple, it's the only one you're
26:32
going to get. Like this is it?
26:34
You might. Whether you believe your soul
26:36
reincarnates and goes on to the Astro planes and you go to
26:39
purgatory, you go to heaven, you know, you go to Ezlene Fields,
26:43
whatever it may be, this is it. You have one body to house your
26:48
soul, right? So there's one of those things
26:52
that Elysian, sorry, you know, just it's what you put in.
27:01
Your body comes out whether it's good or bad.
27:05
Agreed. You know it's fucking 78° today
27:09
in Arizona, December 5th. Like what?
27:12
What the fuck? I had said that because I had
27:15
thrown my fan. What?
27:20
What is it in Pontiac? Oh, it's not that bad.
27:23
It was like you like. 12. No, it's just damp, man.
27:27
It's like 40°. It kind of rained this morning.
27:29
It's just that time of year where, you know, it's just cold.
27:34
Even at 40, it's cold. Yeah, yeah, I had a buddy.
27:40
Yeah, I oh, fucking 40s cold here, dude.
27:43
I had a friend that I helped. I helped sell their house here.
27:46
They're friends now. Anybody I work with ends up
27:48
being friends for the most part. So they moved to Maine.
27:51
Like Maine, like Arizona to Maine, like, you know, That's
27:55
cool. That's cool.
27:56
He posted a picture yesterday on Facebook.
27:57
Shout out to Chris Gibbs. Hello.
27:59
I'll have to make Chris Gibbs listen.
28:01
I'll tell him. Yeah, I'll tell him that I name
28:03
drop him. We'll get a new listener out of
28:04
it. He posted a picture.
28:06
Like. Holy shit.
28:07
Like it's just it's all white and like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:12
Hey, Mike. I gave him a shout out.
28:14
No, your buddy Chris Gibbs. Hey, Mike, you fucking can you
28:17
hear me? Now you're being.
28:19
Funny. Oh, I thought you'd say.
28:20
Hey, Chris, Me. I got you.
28:22
I knew that. Yeah, my bad.
28:25
Chris Gibbs. Hey, yo, thanks for listening.
28:27
Yeah, if you do. Appreciate.
28:29
Chris Gibbs. Chris Gibbs, right.
28:31
Yeah, there you go. He's in Maine now, suffering the
28:36
consequences of his move. But I want that ass house.
28:39
It's like an old Victorian style.
28:41
They want to set up a whole. Yeah, well, I got a hook up for
28:45
you. They want to do like a whole bed
28:47
and breakfast. Super nice family, man.
28:48
They had a realtor. They were working with it
28:50
completely, completely hosed them.
28:52
And they found me because they lived in my same neighborhood,
28:56
you know. Thankfully, we were able to get
28:57
them done and sold within 60 days and off and running and you
29:01
know, chasing their dreams, which is awesome.
29:04
Yeah, super cool people, man. Super cool people.
29:09
You keep going black, you know that.
29:11
Your your screen keeps blacking out.
29:12
I don't know if you know that or not.
29:15
You're not blacking out to me, I'm.
29:17
Taking a picture of it, I'm going to text it to you right
29:18
now. And I'm still here, but you're
29:21
blacking. Out to me working with, I'm
29:23
going to send you a picture of it, right?
29:25
Now it's all good. It's all good.
29:26
I know you're still there, but now when you see the picture,
29:28
they just text you. I just text it to you.
29:31
Take a look. And I forgot to turn my phone
29:33
off, so I'm going to get busted. Out again.
29:35
Out. It's a trip, right?
29:43
I didn't get the text either. I just texted to you, you're
29:49
Mike Michaels, right? Last time I checked, oh, there
29:52
it is. It's got the last time I
29:54
checked, you were Mike Michaels, yeah.
29:56
Last time I checked, I was too. There's another weird thing.
30:00
It's got to go 2000 miles, but come on man.
30:03
Well, that is weird. It's.
30:06
Really weird. It'll be all right.
30:08
There. Oh, OK.
30:09
There we did. Now they just went.
30:10
They just they just left. You read one at 4 O 7:00 PM, it
30:13
said. And then they sent you another
30:15
one. So there you go.
30:19
If anybody's wondering where Mike is, he's still there.
30:22
You just can't see him. I don't know why I'm still here.
30:27
I can see me. So do you think so?
30:30
So here, here. All right, cool.
30:34
So here's a question for you. So when when Jesus and Moses and
30:38
the dudes were walking across the desert, you know, and and
30:41
the hot barren wasteland of I'm terrible geography.
30:46
So I don't know where they walked.
30:47
Desert they were they were in. Egypt modern day Israel to
30:53
Egypt. Right.
30:54
So, so, right, so half a day walking in the desert with no
31:00
end insight, right? You know.
31:02
Well, they walked for like 30. You know, they had to be.
31:04
They're just pissed off. Right, 40 days and 40 nights.
31:06
You know, right, right and and right and just like you know
31:14
that Jesus was like looking up and being like, what the fuck,
31:16
Dad? Like what are you fucking making
31:18
me do? It's the desert.
31:19
There's nothing to drink. There's nothing to eat.
31:21
It's fucking hot. I have these ready ass sandals
31:25
on my feet. I'm wearing what is the
31:27
equivalent of of a dress made out of hemp because that's what
31:31
they probably made clothes out of back then.
31:34
And I'm. I'm digging shit out of my nose
31:36
because it's nothing but dry wind blasting my face.
31:42
You know, they were walking through the desert just fucking
31:44
cussing him out, you know? That's where God damn came out
31:48
came from. If you think about it, like who
31:49
thought of saying God damn it, Jesus did because he's walking
31:53
in the desert. He's like, God damn it, what the
31:55
fuck are you doing to us? Why do we got to keep walking
31:58
for another 30 days with no food, no water?
32:02
What is this all about, man, You know?
32:09
So I've always kind of thought that that that swearing,
32:14
swearing came from Jesus. The preamp is the one on the
32:20
left, far left. How's that?
32:23
Is that better? Yes.
32:27
Well then you'll sound, then you'll, yeah.
32:30
Then your voice will come through.
32:31
But you were fine where you were at.
32:33
That's just. My bad.
32:34
No, you're fine. It sounds way better with it
32:37
closer to you. It'll It'll what?
32:40
It sounds way better with it closer to you.
32:42
Oh, right here. Like this?
32:44
Yeah, you just had your preamp too hot to have the mic that
32:48
close. Like mine's about at 11:00 if
32:53
that gives you A-frame of reference.
32:54
Oh, yeah. Mine's about about between 11:00
32:57
and 12:00 now. It was about between 2:00 and
33:00
3:00. You know, I don't, I don't.
33:02
I don't ever play with that shit.
33:03
It was just, you know, item checks.
33:05
It's like we're just singing. They would adjust everything for
33:07
me. I don't know.
33:08
Prima Donna. Prima Donna OK.
33:11
We took care of it. Prima donnas.
33:14
He was out doing PR for the band and bullshitting with the
33:17
audience. I know, I'm just saying.
33:18
I'm just being silly. You did your part.
33:22
Right giving away. The front man.
33:24
You know, I did. I did.
33:27
I thank you. So you did too, Mike?
33:31
I tried, you know. So here's my favorite thing
33:34
about. We have a We should have a
33:36
picture of Jesus. Here's my Here's my favorite
33:39
thing that makes me laugh. The hardest, OK, is that white
33:45
people think that Jesus was white.
33:48
They don't even realize where he lived.
33:50
You know, nobody in the Middle East was white the last time I
33:53
checked. Ever.
33:54
Not one person well, but every picture I ever saw, Jesus, he
33:58
was white guy. No.
34:00
Agreed. What's kind of like Santa Claus?
34:04
The hypocrisy is just it knows no bounds and I couldn't take it
34:07
anymore. And then you know, right?
34:11
It doesn't. It doesn't.
34:13
And I think maybe that's that's the Jesus that was was inside
34:18
for 40 days after the 40 day walk and trekked the desert
34:22
because he was fucking tired of being out there.
34:25
So he just got pale white skin from like living in a cave.
34:28
And when he emerged, I think that that was when the first
34:31
Polaroid was snapped of him, this pale, white shaken man with
34:35
the the long beard and hair, because he'd been in a cave for
34:38
so long, recovering from the just insane abuse his body took
34:44
walking the desert and the sun beating down.
34:47
They didn't have umbrellas back then.
34:48
They didn't have sunscreen. Said by a person who writes
34:52
fiction, ladies. And gentlemen in their shoes
34:54
they had flat sandals made out of.
34:59
Take it with a grain of salt said by a man who writes
35:02
fiction, ladies and gentlemen. Take it with a grain of salt.
35:05
Take it with a grain of salt. I like it.
35:07
Yes, I was into the story. I just want to put the.
35:11
With a grain of salt. With AI.
35:12
Want to put the PSA out there? Guy who writes fiction.
35:15
I always thought that be a yeah, I always thought that'd be a
35:18
funny bit for comedian, a funny bit for a comedian would be
35:23
talking about Jesus's walk through the desert, you know,
35:26
and that's how swear words were originated.
35:29
I'd be pissed. Because.
35:31
I'd be pissed off my daddy let me get nailed to a cross.
35:34
We'll talk about faith in an entity.
35:39
Oh yeah, like, really like what? I mean idea that was so bad,
35:43
man. I love my dad a lot.
35:45
Desert like he never let me get nailed to a cross, right?
35:49
Yeah. Ever.
35:50
You know, Not once. Never let me get hurt.
35:52
Granted. No.
35:54
Saved my life, in fact. Granted.
35:55
And you know, that was that was, you know, well, that's, you
36:00
know, that's a good dad. My dad's a piece of shit that
36:03
you know. My dad was awesome about My dad
36:06
is awesome, you know not was it? Is what it is.
36:08
That was the. Hand.
36:09
He still is. I still remember Saturday for
36:11
coffee. Every All right on so I have a
36:17
cool I have a really really salted the earth person that
36:20
that that I kind of if I could adopt A father you know reverse
36:25
it like you can adopting me but I'm going to adopt you.
36:28
I would have Rick Rodart by thought by all means just guy
36:34
was with such a stand up human he still is he's such a stand up
36:37
human being. He's just, you know, they just
36:39
had their anniversary, him and his wife and I don't know how
36:43
long, but it's got to be like 50 years somewhere approaching
36:46
that. Just it's still like they were
36:49
the people we moved to champion across the street in 76.
36:53
And I still talk to the family to this day like on a regular
36:56
basis. You've seen him on my
36:57
appreciation page. Rick Rodarto.
37:00
Absolutely. On stuff.
37:04
Yeah. Yeah.
37:05
Super nice guy. I should drop this on the
37:06
appreciation group. Hey, check this out.
37:09
Although it kind of, it's a different, a different version
37:13
of Chris that not everybody might be ready for in that
37:16
group. I just think that you should
37:19
start a podcast. I need the link to the show so I
37:22
can start. The the podcast just needs its
37:28
own Facebook page. Oh yeah, I need the new page.
37:31
Yeah, yeah. Then you can go crazy with that
37:33
and you can invite who you want. To invite and I'm.
37:36
I've given up. Yeah, I've given up on my guy
37:40
that was doing the thing. I'm going to go to Fiver.
37:42
Fiver is pretty legit. They've done some cool stuff for
37:44
me over there. So I'm going to have Fiver
37:46
create us a logo, OK? It'll cost like 10 bucks for me
37:51
to do that because, you know, they're overseas and they want
37:54
to make money. So you say I want to make a logo
37:57
for a podcast. OK What kind of logo do you
38:00
want? Well, I want a microphone and
38:02
two caricatures of people called the Chris and Mike Show.
38:04
Oh, I can do that and have it to you by next Tuesday.
38:07
Oh, thank you. And then next Tuesday, I get the
38:09
thing. And.
38:10
OK, here's your $10. Oh, thank you very much.
38:13
Everybody's happy. I'm glad to play you Tuesday for
38:20
the hamburger today. That was it.
38:22
That's wrong. Wrong accent for that.
38:24
That was wimpy. That was.
38:26
Yeah. Yeah, that was that one.
38:27
Yeah, he did. But that's OK though.
38:29
That's that's the beauty of live.
38:31
Not so live podcasting with with the taller.
38:34
He was a wuss. Right.
38:35
Like remember the movie Popeye? The Robin Williams Popeye movie.
38:39
I do. I went to the movie.
38:41
Theater. Do you remember that Robin
38:42
Williams Pop. Oh, dude, what a what a fuck.
38:44
What a fucking great movie that was.
38:46
That sucks that he killed himself, but I get why he killed
38:49
himself. Because, you know, you don't
38:50
like when it's time for me, When it's time for me to wear
38:53
diapers, Dude, I'm Peter Pan and like, everybody knows, like,
38:56
Nope. If the doctor says, yeah, you
38:57
got to wear diapers. Fuck you dude.
38:59
Where's the roof access? Because yeah, I don't want to
39:01
wear like that either. You come in wearing diapers.
39:02
I ain't even wearing diapers. It's not happening.
39:05
No interest. And you know right.
39:09
And I'm not Catholic, so it doesn't matter if I Peter Pan
39:11
off a building. You, on the other hand, you
39:13
Catholics, you can't do that shit.
39:14
That's blasphemy. I'm a lazy Catholic, I'm a
39:17
Methodist. So it's fucking game on.
39:19
Listen, I was only baptized Catholic and then we ended up
39:23
going to the Presbyterian Church because that was my dad's
39:25
church. So I only ever got baptized
39:28
Catholic. And but when I first met you, I
39:32
was still pretty indoctrinated into that side of life.
39:36
But like I said, I started doing my own research and asking my
39:41
own questions, and I started learning things that just didn't
39:44
add up for me. So I developed my own religion.
39:48
And if anybody wants to join, I'm not a very I'm not a very
39:53
demanding cult leader, but my religion is.
39:57
I try and be a better person tomorrow than I was today,
40:01
right? I try to not hurt anybody
40:03
intentionally. If I don't like you, I just
40:07
don't talk to you. Right.
40:08
So I thought about creating denimism.
40:12
Right. You know.
40:14
I'm just too lazy to be a cult leader, man.
40:16
I just don't have it in my schedule.
40:18
You know, There's a lot of sports to watch, a lot of
40:20
relaxing to do. I'm not looking to be a go
40:23
getter, you know, 24/7. I need a little downtime.
40:27
I enjoy the hell out of doing this podcast and writing some
40:29
music, and beyond that, I just don't have a lot of extra
40:32
motivation. But I know how people get sucked
40:39
in. Once you once you hit the 50
40:41
man, you know. Oh right.
40:44
Well, see, I think that that some people need to be told how
40:47
to live. They need to be told they have
40:50
to pray every day, they have to tithe, they have to show up, you
40:54
know, at the church. They have to pay their dues.
40:57
Some people need that and listen.
40:59
If that works for you, that's great.
41:01
Other people have nothing against it.
41:03
Don't. But well, absolutely not at all.
41:08
More power to you if you need that kind of structure and
41:10
guide, because I had it like for years and years and years and
41:13
years, years but. Didn't take.
41:15
You know, once I went to one-on-one conversation with the
41:17
minister of the Church of no. Well, I took to the point I
41:24
forget when how old I was, but I want to say 20 ish.
41:27
Maybe between 2122 I went and and was having a struggle and I
41:31
went and talked to the pastor, Tom Wilson.
41:33
The only reason I remember his name is because Tom Wilson was
41:35
the artist for Ziggy and he had always used Ziggy cartoons in
41:40
his sermons, which I always thought was kind of weird,
41:43
right? But he lectured me in our
41:47
one-on-one and plural pluralized it.
41:51
He was reciting A sermon. So I stopped him like I do.
41:57
And I'm like, dude, you just called me friends, plural.
42:03
I'm one person. You're you're reciting A sermon
42:06
to me. I'm done.
42:08
I got up and left. I haven't gone back to church
42:11
since. Unless it was with Nikki and the
42:13
kids going to the Catholic side of life because they're all
42:16
Catholic and I'm not. But so disingenuous in a
42:24
one-on-one conversation with somebody who was actively
42:27
involved in the church, that church I taught what was a
42:32
Sunday school? The five year olds.
42:33
That was fun. And yeah, treating me like I was
42:38
a sermon, I'm like, you fucking asshole.
42:40
So I think I left and that's when I started saying fucking
42:43
drinking beers and you know, going down the normal path of a
42:47
21 year old. You know, yeah, well, we had a
42:52
lot of fun. Kind of like when Bono's Halo
42:53
exploded under Octoon, baby and he discovered Vegas.
42:59
I'll tell you when, when I 100% just realized that for me it was
43:08
all just nonsense, was the first time that I ever did mushrooms
43:13
because I just had a sense of overwhelming.
43:21
I've taken myself far too seriously.
43:24
You know, I encountered beings that just kept laughing and
43:31
joking and saying, you know, they were they were speaking in
43:36
a language that I didn't really understand at the time, but it
43:38
was a feeling that I could sense they were just saying you're
43:43
you're taking your life too seriously.
43:45
You're too hard on yourself, You're carrying around a
43:47
tremendous amount of guilt that's going to kill you.
43:51
And for me, it was just thinking that everything that I did was a
43:54
sin, right? You know, everything the church
43:57
says was a sin. I was pretty much doing while we
44:02
were in the band on a daily basis.
44:04
So it was a lot of guilt to be carrying around.
44:06
I just had to let it go because for me, I wasn't hurting anybody
44:11
except. Myself, right?
44:16
Right. But in the world of Christian
44:18
theology, as long as you pray and ask for forgiveness every
44:23
night, you don't get in trouble. Yeah, well, that's a lot of
44:28
responsibility too. I'd.
44:31
You know, just. Just more nonsense.
44:36
You know, If I do something wrong, I do something wrong.
44:42
Did the devil make me do it? Well, I don't know.
44:45
I didn't seem so. If I do something right, did God
44:49
make me do it? I don't know.
44:51
I didn't seem so. There's been a lot of you got to
44:55
have faith for the whole 50 years I've been on this planet,
45:00
and the only person that really has ever, 100% not let me down
45:05
in the end is me, because nobody can live your life for you.
45:10
There's plenty of people who helped me get to where I'm at,
45:13
and I'm fortunate and I love them, but holy shit, man, at the
45:19
end of the day, the only person that makes you a good person is
45:22
you. Yeah, Bottom line.
45:25
Yeah, I agree. I just try and be a better
45:27
person every day. I try not to hurt anybody.
45:30
I even if somebody's does wrong by me, I try and take a deep
45:34
breath and say I feel sorry for that person.
45:37
I hope they have a better life from this point forward because
45:40
I enjoy living now. Man, life is fun.
45:48
I thought that was you texting me, but.
45:50
I agree. I'm texting my daughter right
45:52
now. That's why I seem distracted.
45:53
I apologize. No, it's all good.
45:56
My daughter, my daughter reached out and asked me a question.
45:59
It's all good, man. My phone just went off and I saw
46:01
you were texting so I thought I was doing something wrong even.
46:03
Though they even though they drive you nuts, not nothing's
46:05
wrong. Everything's cool.
46:07
No family first. Off.
46:08
Everything's cool, man, you know?
46:11
Speaking of people who helped me when I moved back home after
46:14
getting sober, they were the first people to believe in me.
46:18
So there you have it. You know, Mom and Dad let me
46:21
crash at their house until I got back on my feet.
46:26
That's a lot to ask of somebody, so.
46:28
That was nice of them. You know why?
46:29
Because they gave you something to believe in.
46:32
Absolutely. That might be a.
46:34
Hit Well, the nice thing is you have that as an option and what
46:40
was that something to believe in?
46:42
I was just being funny. That was a joke.
46:47
I know, I know. I was.
46:48
I was about to pull the lyrics out.
46:50
But that. But whenever I think of
46:52
something to believe in I it goes to every rose has a stone.
46:54
I don't know why, yeah. They were two.
46:56
Different talk because because because the Mario's Your Throne
46:59
is that we both like Silent is still in the dead of the night.
47:01
But that's not the start of something to believe in.
47:03
I forget what the start of something to believe in is.
47:05
And that's a great song. Like like the original version
47:07
of that song. Because there was something over
47:10
the years I heard the demo of that.
47:12
Oh, what a not the demo. The original version of the
47:15
thing was a fucking joke, man. I don't know who Brett the the
47:22
new the the released one absolutely.
47:25
But the demo version was just like what the fuck are you
47:29
singing about Brett? And so I don't know who came in
47:31
there and produced that and made him forced him to change lyrics
47:35
and structure the song. But you know that dude should
47:39
get a paddle back because where it started from and to the end
47:42
product night and day, man. If you ever have a chance to
47:45
listen to that it's not the original demo version of
47:50
something to believe in. It's it will it.
47:53
It will fucking knock you on your ass How bad it was legit.
47:57
And I I love, I love a lot of poisons music.
48:00
I do. Choose you stuff, but the stuff
48:02
that has substance to it and that was one of them.
48:04
That one of them that I thought were fantastic but you know it's
48:16
it's the cool thing like every now and then I'll hear something
48:19
on Sirius got less than the SiriusXM a lot and they'll do
48:23
they'll play demos of stuff and like they played a point a Pink
48:26
Floyd demo for Kung Fu and I'm fucking no sorry doesn't work.
48:30
The context is there the the you know the the structure of the
48:35
song was kind of there informing.
48:39
But what they what they ended up producing was so much better
48:42
than a demo like just. Well, that's the way it's a
48:45
demo, right? Because you got to, right?
48:46
You're like, we had everything that we used to do.
48:49
Your grandma was an outline, right?
48:51
Yeah. It's just like an outline that
48:53
you used to write in school. Right.
48:55
Exactly. Yep.
48:59
Yep. Nice analogy, Guitar player.
49:01
Good job. Yeah.
49:02
Hey, thank you. Good job.
49:04
You should call yourself the guitar player, because I'm the
49:06
taller guy today. Probably taught to me about the
49:09
drummer, I'm sure. You know how to change your name
49:14
on this, right? So you don't have to be Mike
49:15
every time. I'm sure I changed it to Mike at
49:18
one time. But you know, you know me, man.
49:20
I do shit. And then I forget how I did it.
49:22
No. How do you change your name?
49:26
I'll look for it. I'll find it.
49:28
It's when you when you first log in, it asks me who I am.
49:31
Yeah, that's who I am. So that would be a thing for
49:34
next podcast to surprise me with a new name, not just Mike,
49:39
because the mic could be the microphone.
49:40
You know even though it's Mike not MIC, it's weird.
49:44
You keep blacking out, man. It's, it's.
49:46
Are you tripping right now on the?
49:48
Podcast I am not you. Just keep.
49:50
Going in and out of darkness. 100% No.
49:53
I didn't think you were. I have not taken mushrooms in,
49:58
well, at least 15 years, probably 17 years.
50:04
Wow. No, it's been a long time.
50:07
No, there's nothing wrong that's not that's not even anything to
50:09
be proud of. I'd do them again in a heartbeat
50:11
if somebody hand them to me. Well, I know, but I'm just, I'm
50:16
just, I'm just saying for that, you know, it's still you've
50:19
abstained from psychedelic tripping.
50:22
No, you know. Only because I have the
50:25
opportunity, let's not. Go What are your plans for the
50:27
rest of the week there, my friend?
50:33
Let let's be clear, we're going for.
50:35
The rest of the week. Hold on.
50:37
Let's be clear on a couple things.
50:40
We're going to talk about how we are recovering addicts in the
50:43
one breath, and I'm going to tell you how I enjoy smoking
50:48
marijuana and I would do hallucinogens again in a
50:52
heartbeat. There's a reason for that.
50:56
Nobody's ever died doing the marijuana and nobody's ever died
51:02
from doing mushrooms. People have gone crazy doing
51:06
acid because they did too much and they went on a bad trip.
51:10
I'm not saying that any of this is safe and that you should do
51:13
it. I don't condone it.
51:15
Too much but. For me, right, the hallucinogens
51:20
changed my life. It's.
51:21
Keeping it real, raw and relevant.
51:23
It's the Christian like show we forgot, right?
51:27
Say that again. We we do.
51:32
You like how you got to we're we're real raw and relevant on
51:36
the Chris and Mike Show and it only took me 51 minutes and 50
51:40
seconds to announce to the listeners what the show is
51:44
actually called. Because we started the show off
51:47
today with me singing nothing man lyrics that unless you know
51:52
who we are, you have no idea what the fuck that was.
51:54
But you're thinking, hmm, that's catchy.
51:58
Where's the music segue, Chris? Is very good at covering up.
52:04
Timeless. When I'm screwing up.
52:07
So that's what he was doing, ladies and gentlemen, was
52:09
covering my ass because for some reason the intro music wouldn't
52:13
play today. That's my vent for the podcast.
52:19
I hit the play button. That's all you can do.
52:22
It is, But maybe in post production we'll just call you
52:26
Mike, because that's what your name says right there, Mike.
52:29
I prefer to be call you, Mike. Yeah, that's.
52:31
Great. Maybe in POST?
52:32
Production makes life easier for me at the beginning.
52:37
Like I used to put in when I did my episodes of Good News
52:39
Arizona, I would film Little Man doing something fun.
52:42
And he was on the He's on the end of every single episode.
52:45
All 106 of them. That's all.
52:47
Not all of them. Maybe maybe 100 of them.
52:49
He's at the very end of every episode doing something.
52:53
That's totally awesome. Yeah, which is cool.
52:58
He doesn't realize it. You know, once he gets older.
53:01
And I'll tell him, Hey, go watch that and watch watch it till the
53:04
end and. He'll and I don't, you know, I
53:06
don't know did we actually record the fact that we
53:10
confirmed a guest that will be upcoming at a later date here.
53:15
I don't think that got recorded, so.
53:18
We talked about it, we talked about it last week, but I don't
53:22
think we we touched on it more. Than that so.
53:25
What you could do? When's it coming on?
53:29
When's it coming on? Whenever we want.
53:35
Do you have that? OK, So what we need to do is we
53:38
need to do a little teaser. So you need to get me a a a
53:41
picture or two of him so then I can do a quick little YouTube
53:45
short and announce that he's coming on the show.
53:52
We need to know when he's coming on the show so then we can we
53:55
can prepare. I had this thing I want to try.
53:58
It'll be difficult for all three of us to participate unless
54:02
there's some planning. But my idea is the I'm hesitant
54:10
to say it on air because I'm afraid somebody's going to steal
54:12
it. Because I used to do this thing
54:14
where it was, it was karaoke in the car and then all of a sudden
54:22
there was karaoke in the car was a bit.
54:24
So I'm going to text it to you because I'm, I'm afraid it's
54:27
such a brilliant idea when you see the text that why didn't I
54:30
think of that like 20 years ago? Why hasn't anybody thought of
54:33
that? Because I'm that's how stupid my
54:36
brain works sometimes. I'm super excited to get this
54:38
text. Ladies and gentlemen, one of the
54:40
ideas behind this podcast was when we were in the band.
54:45
One of my favorite things to do. I don't know.
54:48
I can only speak for me because I am me was to sit around and
54:53
bullshit with the guys in the band and we would have super
54:56
deep conversations that would go on for hours and hours and hours
55:00
because we were young and we didn't need sleep.
55:03
So that was part of the idea, was to introduce you guys to a
55:08
way of thinking that you probably haven't been exposed to
55:12
on a level that we've had many, many, many, many, many times for
55:18
hours. So that was part of the idea was
55:22
to be Privy to conversations and.
55:24
And to me, yeah. And that's that to me is the
55:30
thing that nobody really ever, ever, ever, ever touches on when
55:37
it comes to to bands. Right, Right.
55:40
I got thumbs up. He got the idea.
55:42
You just got to wait. Oh yeah.
55:43
I'll, I'll wait for. It the the right but see and and
55:48
and you now knowing what that is right.
55:49
Aren't you shocked that nobody's done that?
55:52
I am. Like, think about it.
55:54
Like, think about the media, right.
55:57
And some of the shows that are on, you know, late nights, like
56:02
there's I'm, I'm, I'm. And just I'm shocked.
56:06
I might have to hit, so we might have to hit a different point
56:09
before I do that one. What three different, You know
56:15
what I mean that but that's the thing.
56:16
But I think that would it won't be the whole thing, right.
56:18
But I think it'll be a segment. We'll call that and then we'll,
56:22
we'll do what the text references during the Q&A.
56:27
So maybe make it like a 5 minute thing, like maybe 10 questions
56:30
that you know I'll ask one, you ask one that type of thing like
56:33
you'll have your five loaded questions, I'll have my 5 loaded
56:36
questions. We won't tell him, so he has no
56:38
idea what the fuck we're going to ask.
56:40
I I actually makes it even more funny.
56:43
I actually have responding. A better guest to do that with.
56:52
I think we should do with all our guests.
56:53
Kind of like when Holmberg and KUPD years ago used to do this
56:57
thing. Anybody that called into his
56:58
show, I don't know if you remember this or not, but
56:59
anybody called into his show that he interviewed, he would do
57:02
what was called a pause and toss.
57:04
Remember that I? Do I do.
57:07
What's his first name? Pete.
57:09
Pete Holmberg. So for those of John.
57:13
John Holmberg. Holberg's Morning Sickness.
57:15
That was it. Holberg's.
57:16
Morning. But so yeah, so.
57:18
So for those of you that don't, that don't know.
57:21
Yeah. So those he's still on the air.
57:22
But those of you that don't know, his paws and toss would be
57:25
he'd call, like, say, say The Rock would call in and he'd be
57:28
interviewing The Rock about an upcoming show, an upcoming
57:30
movie, whatever, whatever the hell, right.
57:33
So then the last question he'd asked everybody the same was,
57:36
was what movie when you're a kid that you would watch on VCR?
57:41
Because back then VCRS were ruled the world.
57:44
There was no DVR in anything. You had to actually get up, put
57:47
a tape into a machine, press play, and then go sit down with
57:50
your remote control. So here's one question to
57:53
everybody, Regardless of who they were, whether they're a
57:56
rock musician, superstar or a baseball player or politician,
57:59
it didn't matter. Anybody from A-Z every single
58:03
level in life, it didn't matter. You got this question, What was
58:07
your pause and toss go to when you were a kid?
58:09
And what that meant was watching a movie like like an 80s movie.
58:17
Breakfast Club wouldn't have it. Fast time Jurism on high.
58:20
Jennifer Jason Li, right. Well, I'll think about it
58:23
though. Fast time, Jurism on high when
58:25
Jennifer Jason Lee was, was, was in the pool room with Damone.
58:28
Right. And then when that scene was
58:30
over, she was laying there butt ass naked, you know, which was
58:33
shocking, you know, to anybody back then because holy shit, you
58:37
saw everything. Rocking.
58:38
The pubic area, that's a pause and toss moment.
58:42
So the Rock would say, Oh well, I every time fast times would
58:45
come on When I was 13 years old. I'd pause that scene after
58:48
Damone and and whatever Jennifer Jason Lee's character's name was
58:52
after getting Stacy. When Damone and Stacy had sex in
58:55
the pool room, was Damone left? Stacy would just sit there butt
58:58
ass naked for all the world to see.
58:59
He. Took off because he came and
59:01
that's. A pause and toss.
59:02
She'd pause the movie to freeze that picture of her butt ass
59:06
naked, take care of business, and then press play.
59:10
Pause and pause. So I'm thinking we should do the
59:12
text thing. The text thing that I sent you
59:15
that idea with everybody and we limit it to like 10 total
59:19
questions. I have 5.
59:20
You have 5:00 and it's it's somewhere in the interview that
59:24
it's because you want to have, you want to have.
59:28
We want to have some type of structured thing concept like
59:32
with good news Arizona, we had the rapid fire news.
59:34
We had just the good news. Then we had live on location.
59:36
But everybody looked forward to one of those elements of the
59:39
show because it was consistent. So if we consistently have that
59:43
thing and we call it that like I text you, then we have we have 5
59:50
questions that I have 5, you have 5.
59:53
And we don't know what our questions are.
59:54
That's the beauty of it. That's what makes it funny
59:57
because you may know a guess and I may not know that guess like
1:00:01
this guy. And then I'll, I'll have
1:00:03
somebody come on and you may not know him, but I will.
1:00:06
So the benefit of having just five random questions from each
1:00:10
of us that have no bearing on what what we're talking about is
1:00:14
that makes it even funnier. And then you add that element to
1:00:17
it, it's going to, you know, those are those little hooks,
1:00:20
like in our songs, our hooks, right.
1:00:22
You got to have a hook to make the song stick.
1:00:24
Correct. So I'm done selling the ID to
1:00:26
you because I know you like it. So that's the concept behind it.
1:00:29
It's not. It's not.
1:00:31
It's nothing more so than having something to look forward to
1:00:34
every episode. When we have guests, that is.
1:00:36
While we're on that subject, before I forget, I made myself a
1:00:42
note. We actually had somebody from
1:00:45
Austria watch the podcast and now they've watched it twice.
1:00:50
Austria. So if you are that person right
1:00:54
on, leave us a comment with a way to get a hold of you,
1:00:59
because we would like to know how you found us, because now we
1:01:03
know you've watched it twice. I can see it on my right.
1:01:06
Austria, that's right. Yeah.
1:01:08
Austria the country, right? On.
1:01:10
They're 2% of our viewership. Austria, Austria.
1:01:13
That'd be cool to have have. I would totally like to have
1:01:18
that person on the. I would totally like to have
1:01:20
them on the podcast. That's what I'm saying.
1:01:22
Find a way to get a hold of us. There's AQ and a part at the
1:01:27
bottom of the podcast page, so when they go to listen, they can
1:01:32
leave me a comment. And if you want to give me an
1:01:35
e-mail address or a Facebook page or a way to get a hold of
1:01:38
you, we'd love to know how you found us.
1:01:40
That's awesome. So thank you for listening.
1:01:42
And drop us a comment. Yeah.
1:01:45
That's way awesome. Yeah, there you go.
1:01:51
So I'm going to Vegas Thursday, so let's just wrap this puppy
1:01:54
up. Man birthday's tomorrow.
1:01:57
She's on her way home, so we're. Going to Happy birthday, Nikki.
1:02:00
I know, I know. Yeah, I'm not.
1:02:02
I don't like Vegas, man. I don't.
1:02:04
I don't like Vegas, to be honest with you.
1:02:05
I don't drink in this. I'm a gambler.
1:02:08
I don't. I'd see.
1:02:09
I don't like the gamble either. So it's just it's it was hey
1:02:12
let's go to Vegas for your birthday.
1:02:13
So we're going to do stuff other than, you know, but I'm just
1:02:16
not. I'm not a big.
1:02:18
You need to hit the craps table with me.
1:02:20
Really. Trust me.
1:02:23
Oh, yeah. We'd have a blast.
1:02:25
OK. Yes.
1:02:25
Oh, yeah. I'd teach you all the ends.
1:02:27
And I was a playing crap. We'll plan that out.
1:02:30
You'll have a blast. Trust we'll.
1:02:31
Plan that out next year. We'll do that, absolutely.
1:02:34
I got five weeks of vacation. We'll plan that out.
1:02:38
All right. So again, this is Chris.
1:02:40
Oh, see, there you go. OK Oh, dude.
1:02:42
Right on. OK, so there you go.
1:02:43
So this has been the Chris and Mike show.
1:02:45
He's he's Mike as it says right there on his side name.
1:02:48
And then I'm I'm, I'm a taller guy.
1:02:50
He's the taller guy. So you know, there you go.
1:02:54
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1:03:53
Nothing but love. The world needs more love.
1:03:55
Right, not. Hair Love.
1:03:57
Not like John Lennon and Yoko in the bad Hair.
1:03:59
Love. Just love, man.
1:04:00
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1:04:05
Be kind. Just open the door for.
1:04:08
Open a door for somebody, you know.
1:04:09
Buy somebody's coffee when they're behind you in line.
1:04:13
You know, shit like that. Absolutely.
1:04:16
Do random things. Random things.
1:04:19
Like you know, it's this, it's the silly season.
1:04:21
Go grab a a thing off the Angel tree and buy a present for
1:04:24
somebody. And teenagers, mind you, are the
1:04:26
ones that get shafted. Everybody wants to buy presents
1:04:29
for the 012345 year olds on the Angel tree.
1:04:32
Teenagers get fucked, man. Teenage.
1:04:34
Our fostered kids too. And so be mindful of that.
1:04:38
If you're gonna buy a 2 year old gift, well fucking grab a $25
1:04:43
Amazon gift card for a 13 year old.
1:04:44
You're gonna make their day. I mean, their day is gonna suck
1:04:47
Anyway. When a couple years ago I did, I
1:04:49
played Santa at a meal service and it was cool, but it sucked
1:04:56
because we had James and I, this other volunteer coordinator.
1:04:59
We we we gathered presents and stuff and and so we had it all
1:05:02
set out. I had this bad ass Santa suit.
1:05:05
I'm not the real Santa, obviously, for those of you
1:05:08
listening that believe, I'm not going to discredit that.
1:05:10
He worked for Santa Claus. I I worked for Santa Claus that
1:05:14
day and I have an epic Santa suit.
1:05:16
So I was giving out gifts and legit these homeless kids would
1:05:19
come up with nothing. They have nothing.
1:05:22
And and for me to hand them a gift, just that was it, man.
1:05:27
Like their their month was made because they they weren't going
1:05:31
to get shit. And you know that because when
1:05:33
you're homeless, your parents aren't going to fucking be able
1:05:37
to, you know, help you in any way.
1:05:39
And Santa can't find you. If you're homeless, you got to
1:05:43
have an address. See what I did there?
1:05:45
So it was really cool to be able to do that and and be anonymous
1:05:52
because my Santa mask is legit. You can't tell there's a human
1:05:55
behind it. Zagoni Studios in in Illinois,
1:06:00
Chicago, IL. This guy's Zagoni makes the
1:06:03
greatest mask. You've seen him.
1:06:04
My my masks that I wear. Oh yeah.
1:06:06
Fucking lights out, man. The guy's fantastic.
1:06:09
He's a Craftsman, he says. Chicago's Zagoni.
1:06:11
Zagoni is ZAGONE. Look them up, Google.
1:06:15
We rock here in Illinois, man. Really nice guy to eat because I
1:06:18
had them do a live on location. Yeah.
1:06:21
Oh yeah. Quality musician oh.
1:06:22
Yeah, I mean everything. You know, Illinois itself is
1:06:25
kind of fucked up on on on a whole, but yeah.
1:06:29
Yeah, well, politicians are fucked up the.
1:06:31
People, right. Any state, yeah, any state that,
1:06:33
that that has Robin Zander out of it.
1:06:35
You know you can't go wrong, you know.
1:06:37
Or your Speedway. I sold.
1:06:39
I sold the high. I sold the penthouse condo to
1:06:42
right. I sold a penthouse condo.
1:06:43
A guy named Paul, I'm not going to drop his last name 'cause I
1:06:45
don't you know he actually grew up with Cheap Trick.
1:06:50
Like he was that all the yeah, he was at their college parties
1:06:54
and shit like one of them. I think Rick Nielsen, he said
1:06:57
lived above him and their duplex.
1:06:59
They lived in the fourplex. So he heard everything like like
1:07:03
legitimately and and when they did the Japan thing the the live
1:07:07
in Budokan before that they were nothing and then all of a sudden
1:07:12
that hit and boom and so it was cool talking to him because he
1:07:18
legit had had first hand. Yeah they had but he had first
1:07:22
hand account stories of them up to that point in their life that
1:07:26
you don't get unless you know them.
1:07:29
You know, it's like our development deal and shit.
1:07:32
If we would have pursued that and you know what I mean?
1:07:34
And then all of a sudden, you know, the Mason jar would, you
1:07:38
know, have history of us being there before we were anything.
1:07:42
And then you know, we would have exploded onto the scene because
1:07:45
we just would have, because we don't fuck around.
1:07:48
This is kind of cool that Paul has all that intimate knowledge
1:07:51
and details and and and friendships and shit with with
1:07:58
with the band, with with Cheap Trick, because I mean what a
1:08:00
fucking band they are. And we got to stop because we'll
1:08:03
go on for another hour. Fantastic.
1:08:06
That's like my dad, so he. Used to see so with that he.
1:08:09
Used to see REO Speedwagon. You know, great.
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Talk with you. Yeah.
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Sock OPS. Great. 1950 sock OPS.
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All right, let's. I like the.
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Thumbs up. All right, everybody be kind to
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each other as. Always.
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And then Mike Michaels. Chris Dunham Until next week,
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Peace, my brother. Until next week, use.
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Well, my friend the.
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