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51 The Case of The Cult of Clitoris · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and
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Speaker 1: welcome to hood Ed Want Now the history podcast that's
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Speaker 1: not your history class with me your host, Katie Charlwood,
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Speaker 1: history harlot and reader of books. So before I get
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Speaker 1: into anything else, I want to say thank you to
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Speaker 1: everyone who's still leaving reviews. And it's so much fun.
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Speaker 1: It's brilliant. You always say such nice things. And here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. If you're going to be mean, at least
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Speaker 1: be funny, because otherwise you're just wasting everybody's time. So
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Speaker 1: I was at the Podcast Awards on Friday night. I
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Speaker 1: may have mentioned it once or twimes, but I showed
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Speaker 1: up as I promised, in pajamas. The photos on my
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Speaker 1: Instagram you can go have a look at it, comment away,
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Speaker 1: But I did. I wore pajamas to the Irish Podcast
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Speaker 1: Awards because at the end of the day, if I
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Speaker 1: am not a Sherberd inspired retro sweet looking person, why
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Speaker 1: bother We are for dopamine dressing here and that's just
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Speaker 1: how it is. So I had such a great time.
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Speaker 1: I was really nervous about going because one, I'm an
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Speaker 1: anxious person anyway, because I've ADHD and an anxiety disorder,
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Speaker 1: So that's fun. And I decided to fly down on
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Speaker 1: my own. And I'm getting to the airport and it's
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Speaker 1: this wee rural airport and I had to get a
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Speaker 1: wee bus in it's on this wee bus and it's
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Speaker 1: me and a bunch of old ead pensionels and they're like,
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Speaker 1: are you on a Sheamus's lot. I'm like, no, I
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Speaker 1: don't know who Shemus is. I'm not entirely sure. I
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Speaker 1: know Samus well, I know one Shamus, but he's an
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Speaker 1: old man who you're tired now, I mean m But anyway,
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Speaker 1: I'm like nope, and like, oh, you look like one
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Speaker 1: has loot and I'm like, ah, yeah, you know share
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Speaker 1: it happens all the time, ha. And I get showing
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Speaker 1: you know, where Jimmy Johnny's house is. I get to
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Speaker 1: hear all about their holiday homes and where they live,
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Speaker 1: and also where the old barracks are and the place
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Speaker 1: that used to be a picturel's but is now somebody's house.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm getting all the gossip. It's fantastic. I fucking
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Speaker 1: love old people because they're funny and they give no shits.
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Speaker 1: But there was like a gang of them, and they
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Speaker 1: were brilliant and just because I was there, they were
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Speaker 1: like bringing me in on the jokes. I'm like, Marrid,
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Speaker 1: you silly sausage. But it was a good time had
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Speaker 1: by all. So I get to the airport and it's
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Speaker 1: just it's really busy because normally it's not that bad.
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Speaker 1: There's a couple of people going. It's a rural airport,
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Speaker 1: it's not usually that many people there. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh jeez, it's busy today. And the woman at the
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Speaker 1: check out desk is like, yeah, lots of Garth Brooks
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Speaker 1: fans because I forgot that Garth Brooks was playing in Dublin,
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Speaker 1: and so it was me and a ton of country
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Speaker 1: Western fans traveling down. So first the flight gets delayed
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Speaker 1: and it's like it's only going to be half an hour,
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Speaker 1: ends up being an hour and a half. So I
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Speaker 1: land in Dublin. I'm running late, so I missed the
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Speaker 1: bus I was supposed to get. Managed to get another bus,
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Speaker 1: which is not as slow as I was anticipating it
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Speaker 1: to be because the way the bus service explains the times,
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Speaker 1: it like tells you the time to the last stop
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Speaker 1: on the destination, but not your stop. So I God,
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Speaker 1: but it's fine. I made it work, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 1: So I get there, I'll land down. I'm like, shit,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have time to do my hair and makeup.
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Speaker 1: So I'm on the bus like smothering on like oil
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Speaker 1: and moisturizer and primer, like I'm doing all the priming
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Speaker 1: and getting making sure that's done. I get to the hotel,
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Speaker 1: check in. Beautiful hotel, by the way, fucking gorgeous, totally
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Speaker 1: worth the two hundred and thirty year old. I would
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Speaker 1: do it again. So I show up. I'm chatting to
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Speaker 1: the concierge and he's asking if I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: to Garth Brooks and I was like, oh no, I've
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Speaker 1: got an event on but it's fine, and he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he will miss you. He's like, oh yeah, of course
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Speaker 1: he will. He's gonna go where's that weird haired girl.
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Speaker 1: She should be here? So he laughs. I laugh, you
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Speaker 1: know whatever, and I check in, I take my keys.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to go, and oh, yeah was Mademoiselle. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like I turn around and he's handing me champagne
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Speaker 1: and I was like, mercy, and so he tries to
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Speaker 1: speak French to me and I'm like, oh, dear, yeah,
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Speaker 1: He's like and I'm like, no, no, Joni, and it
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Speaker 1: was just it was fun. So anyway, go to my room.
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking my champagne, I'm putting my makeup on, and
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Speaker 1: I'm doing my hair. I ended up putting my hair
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Speaker 1: in a scrunchy because this just feels like the most
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Speaker 1: appropriate way to do it. So I've got my pajamason,
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Speaker 1: i got my pink sweat shoes, and I'm ready press
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Speaker 1: on nails. I got the press on nails. And if
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Speaker 1: I go alone to this event, and I show up
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Speaker 1: and there's people outside taking photos, and I'm like, fuck,
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Speaker 1: I'm here alone. I literally know no one, and the
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Speaker 1: realization hits me that I am surrounded by like actual
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Speaker 1: professional people, or, as one person during the night called it,
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Speaker 1: a room for the people who don't shut the fuck up.
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Speaker 1: So there's me, and you've got like radio DJs and
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Speaker 1: television people like they are legit, actual like professionals there.
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Speaker 1: And then you get someone that me showing up like, hello,
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Speaker 1: I am here. I've got a TikTok it's doing pretty well.
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Speaker 1: So I show up and I say, this woman and
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Speaker 1: she's in this fusia seris seris fusia, this bright pink
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Speaker 1: soot with a feather trim, and I'm and a clear
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Speaker 1: pink it's clear and pink and a plastic it's this bag.
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Speaker 1: It's it's really cool. It's awesome, and I'm just like, hi, hello,
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Speaker 1: I like, yeah, you're cool. I love everything about this.
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Speaker 1: And then there's this woman with a yellow hair and
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Speaker 1: an orange dress that kind of looks like a loofa
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Speaker 1: and and at one point, I'm just talking about my pajamas, right,
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Speaker 1: and I'm saying about how there was a point where
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Speaker 1: I didn't know whether I was actually going to be
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Speaker 1: able to get a hotel, and worst case scenario, In
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario, I was just gonna go straight to
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Speaker 1: the fucking airport and my pag's and just stay there.
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Speaker 1: But I got myself so ordered it was fine. And
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Speaker 1: I'm chatting to Murder most Irish, and they were so sweet.
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Speaker 1: They were like, did you find somewhere to stay, because
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Speaker 1: you know you can always come crash with us, not
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Speaker 1: in a weird way, which was fucking love that they
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Speaker 1: were like, not in a weird way, and it was
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Speaker 1: really sweet and really kind and I was just it
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Speaker 1: was really nice, like you don't have to do that,
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Speaker 1: and I love the fat that I made a nice
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Speaker 1: enough impression, and also that I don't seem like a murderer,
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Speaker 1: which is good because you know, it's kind of what
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Speaker 1: they deal with. They can see the signs, and it
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Speaker 1: was just a good night. It was really fucking sweet.
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Speaker 1: I loved it, so Andrew spending most of my time
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Speaker 1: with like real life cohost Stories Murder, most Irish, this
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Speaker 1: paranormal life and living room signs and honestly best time.
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Speaker 1: I'll post myself up on the Instagram because it's I
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Speaker 1: had a good time. It was great. So we're one
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Speaker 1: of the last people to like leave the building and
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Speaker 1: all the goodie bags are gone and all they've got
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Speaker 1: left is fake tan. Now, I don't know if any
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Speaker 1: of you out for like look at my Instagram or
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Speaker 1: my TikTok and you see my face, but I am
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Speaker 1: in an unnatural shade of pale. I don't do the
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Speaker 1: tan thing. It just doesn't work for me. So I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, thanks, and I don't know what to
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Speaker 1: do with this. And I gave it to somebody who
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Speaker 1: actually used tan, which seems like the more reasonable. So afterwards,
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Speaker 1: I was like, do I go out? I want to
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Speaker 1: go like drinking and partying with all these super cool,
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Speaker 1: awesome people. But I decided to be responsible because I
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Speaker 1: knew I had to flight early enough the next day,
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Speaker 1: and you I was gonna have to leave early. So
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Speaker 1: I was like, now I'm going to go home. As
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Speaker 1: I go home, I'm going to go back to the
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Speaker 1: hotel and go to bed, have a shower, like just
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Speaker 1: chill out, change into a different pair of pajamas, and
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Speaker 1: go to bed. And that's what I did, because that's
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Speaker 1: what someone in their thirties does. I guess. My friend
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that sounds exactly like someone who's in
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Speaker 1: their thirties would do. It's like, yep, that's me. I'm old.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm the crypt caper. I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, quit your jibber jab, but in fact me,
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Speaker 1: in fact you I will. But first we've got to
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Speaker 1: get our source on. Our sources are Home Office records
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Speaker 1: in the British government's National archives. In Q, World's Last
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Speaker 1: Stand by Philip Horrer, Salome's Last Veil by Michael Kettle,
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Speaker 1: Twentieth Century Sexuality by Angus McLaren My Life in Dancing
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Speaker 1: by Maud Allen, the verbatim report of the trial of
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Speaker 1: no Pemberton Billing MP on a charge of common libel.
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Speaker 1: We also have newspapers of the era, including The Times,
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Speaker 1: The Palmal Gazette, The Imperialist and The Vigilante, and finally
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Speaker 1: Modern Robbin on Trial by Lucy Bland. Are you sitting
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Speaker 1: comfortably good, then let's begin. That is, of course, if
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Speaker 1: you are ready to hear about the case of the
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Speaker 1: Cult of the Clutters. I cannot tell you how happy
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Speaker 1: I am to finally talk about this, because this is
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Speaker 1: one of those pieces of history that's like overlooked and
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Speaker 1: ignored and not well known, and this is one of
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Speaker 1: those things I I think really should have its own
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Speaker 1: three part miniseries. So if you are a TV executive, hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm available to be the resident historian on these things.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Also, the fact that I do
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Speaker 1: not have my own documentary series on the television is
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Speaker 1: a disgrace, by the way, just saying but this, the
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Speaker 1: case of the Cult of the clitteris also the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Castle Uttar, which is just a farce in real life,
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Speaker 1: and of course the life of Julie d'Aubigny La mapin
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Speaker 1: the bisexual cross dressing sword dueling opera singer. Now all
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Speaker 1: of these deserve their own three part mini series. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you could also do documentaries. It's fine, but they all
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Speaker 1: deserve them, and you should totally hire me. But yes,
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I started this podcast was to
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Speaker 1: talk about the stuff in history that I found interesting
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Speaker 1: or pieces that I wanted to share, and this is
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Speaker 1: one of those things. And this itself revolves around shitty men,
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Speaker 1: their refusal to acknowledge the concept of female desire and
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Speaker 1: puritanical misogynist bullshit, all because of a popular dancer and
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Speaker 1: a homophobic conspiracy theory. So in nineteen eighteen, Britain or
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Speaker 1: some Britons, i should say, believed that the Cult of
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Speaker 1: the Clutterists was deliberately undermining the British war effort. The
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Speaker 1: accusation being that Germany had these special female agents who
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Speaker 1: were luring the wives of powerful British men into lesbian
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Speaker 1: affairs and enlisting them in the Cult of the Clitterorists.
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Speaker 1: And all of this comes to a head in a
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Speaker 1: libel trial of all fucking things, involving a member of parliament,
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Speaker 1: a possibly fictional press, a barefoot dancer, and a dead playwright.
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Speaker 1: The barefoot answer in question. The forty four year old
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Speaker 1: Canadian star of the day, Maud Allen originally born Ullah
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Speaker 1: Maud Alma Durant, which is basically a bit of a mouthful,
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Speaker 1: but in fairness, her brother was also called William Henry
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Speaker 1: Theodor Durant because apparently as many names as possible. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how expensive birth certificates are, but you
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Speaker 1: really do not need to fill in every single space, like,
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Speaker 1: you're fine. You don't need to give your kids four names.
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Speaker 1: You know, just a four name is fine if you
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Speaker 1: just want to do that. If you really feel like
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Speaker 1: having a middle name, great, but you don't need you
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Speaker 1: don't need all the names. You do, don't need all
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Speaker 1: the names. But yeah, So when she's like six years old,
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Speaker 1: her family they moved to the States. Well, her dad's
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Speaker 1: already there. He's in San Francisco and he's setting up shop.
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Speaker 1: He moves when she's three, and once he's you know,
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Speaker 1: o set up the family move with him. Turns out
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Speaker 1: Maud's pretty good at piano, so she studies growing up
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Speaker 1: and when she's like in her twenties, her mom sends
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Speaker 1: her to Europe so that she can continue studying being
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Speaker 1: a pianist. And even though they don't really have a
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Speaker 1: lot of money, technically, supposedly, Maud's actual biological grandfather is
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Speaker 1: funding a good chunk of this. See Maud's mom was
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Speaker 1: adopted and apparently this rather wealthy gentleman was her biological
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Speaker 1: you know, grandfather who provided the family with monetary support
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Speaker 1: here and there. So Maud, she's in Germany, she's studying
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Speaker 1: the piano, and she's there for six weeks when her
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Speaker 1: brother is arrested for the crime of the century when
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Speaker 1: he kills two women within nine days of he each
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Speaker 1: other at the immanual Baptist Church. Now this is a
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Speaker 1: massive deal. Maud is convinced that her brother is innocent.
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Speaker 1: He is protesting his innocence, but there is a reason
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Speaker 1: he is known as the Demon of the Belfry. Unsurprisingly,
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Speaker 1: after this event, Maud changes her name. Now in fairness,
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Speaker 1: Ula Maude Alma Durant not exactly the best stage name
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Speaker 1: in the world, so it gets shortened too Maud Allan. Now,
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Speaker 1: was it changed because she doesn't want to be associated
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Speaker 1: with a double murderer or because it's a better stage name.
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Speaker 1: Whom's to say, So she gives up piano playing and
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Speaker 1: decides to take the stage as a dancer instead, and
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Speaker 1: this is where the world starts to turn in her favor.
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Speaker 1: By the time nineteen oh sex rolls around, she is
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Speaker 1: making waves in Vienna and she's becoming very well known
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Speaker 1: performing as Salome, based on a version of Oscar Welt's
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Speaker 1: play for those of you who did not go to
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Speaker 1: Sunday School. In the Bible, the Holy Bible, the one
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Speaker 1: with Jesus in it, Salome is a princess who asks
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Speaker 1: King Herod for the head of John the Baptist. She's
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Speaker 1: also known for doing this dance of seven Vales. And
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Speaker 1: it's this dance that Maud is particularly famous for because
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Speaker 1: she fashions the outfit herself and it is sheer and
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Speaker 1: gauzy and beaded. It's luscious in her dances, seductive and sexy.
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Speaker 1: It's a very sexy dance, and Maud she very much
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Speaker 1: has ownership of her body on stage. She's confident and
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Speaker 1: when she dances it appears as if she's dancing for
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Speaker 1: her own pleasure. You know, it's very much about her.
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Speaker 1: So in this version of Salome when she has to
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Speaker 1: dance with the head of John the Baptist on a
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Speaker 1: silver plate, the whole presenting it on a solatter. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's based on that, so she does this, but in
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Speaker 1: Oscar World's version she kisses the head of John the Baptist,
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Speaker 1: which really leans into like the evils of women and
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Speaker 1: female sexuality, etc. Etc. More. Alan ends up performing all
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Speaker 1: over Europe. She goes across the world and she is
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Speaker 1: more famous than Isidora Duncan, who some of you may
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Speaker 1: know as the woman with the really fucking long scarf
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Speaker 1: who got caught in the back of a car and
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Speaker 1: it choked her to death. She was more famous than her.
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Speaker 1: The best part for me about this is the fact
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Speaker 1: that Maude Alan is not a trained dancer, like she
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the same skill of someone like Isidoor Duncan.
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Speaker 1: She is not a professional dancer. Yet she is dancing professionally.
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Speaker 1: But this production of the vision of Salome was fantastic
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Speaker 1: because they really leaned into everything and had shock value.
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Speaker 1: It had sensuality. So she was like barely dressed. She
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Speaker 1: was effectively topless, but covered in beads and jewels so
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Speaker 1: that she looked well, technically covered. She was technically covered
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Speaker 1: up free the nipple because as a musician who became
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Speaker 1: a dancer, she saw her body as an instrument and
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Speaker 1: felt that it wasn't appropriate for her body to be
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Speaker 1: covered up, especially considering the fact that she started dancing
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Speaker 1: at thirty and age then compared to age now is
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Speaker 1: very different, or concept of it anyway. So being a
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Speaker 1: thirty year old woman dancing in that manner like that's
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Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I fucking love it. So she's practically naked
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of nineteen hundred society. Not only that,
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Speaker 1: but they've got this waxwork realistic head of John the
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Speaker 1: Baptist that they bring out, So it's really known for
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Speaker 1: being like gory and shocking and it's you know, it's
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Speaker 1: a whole thing. So she's having a great fucking time.
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Speaker 1: She's traveling all across Europe. She even goes to Russia.
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Speaker 1: So she's performing in Paris, in Bohemia, Munich, Budapest, Prag,
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Speaker 1: she goes to Moscow and Saint Petersburg performs for the
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Speaker 1: Czar and the Czarena, And like in Russia, they're more
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Speaker 1: into like the technical stuff of it. So because she
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Speaker 1: was not, you know, a professional dancer, because it was
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Speaker 1: more about how she felt in the movement as opposed
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Speaker 1: to the technical skills of dance. The reviews weren't great.
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Speaker 1: But after Russia, she ends up doing a tour of
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Speaker 1: the States. But before she gets there, this other dancer
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Speaker 1: had come over and like watched the show, gone back
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Speaker 1: to the States and then performed it there, resulting in
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Speaker 1: being banned in a bunch of places. So when mod
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Speaker 1: Allen goes to the States to perform, people are like
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Speaker 1: chomping at the bit because they're wondering why the fuck
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Speaker 1: is this being banned, So it creates more excitement and
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Speaker 1: greater publicity for Modalen, so it really worked in her favor.
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Speaker 1: Then she really goes global, like she is in Australia, India, Africa,
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Speaker 1: like she is everywhere. She ends up going back to
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Speaker 1: the States, and then she's in a couple of like
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Speaker 1: silent movies. So after performing in some silent movies, she
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Speaker 1: decaid she's going to go on tour again. But she
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Speaker 1: hires like an orchestral and a bunch of other dancers,
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Speaker 1: and effectively the tour starts, but then collapses because you know,
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Speaker 1: lack of money, and things aren't looking too good for her.
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Speaker 1: But in nineteen eighteen, the war, the Great War, World
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Speaker 1: War One, is still fucking raging on, and there is
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Speaker 1: nothing people like more during horrific times than entertainment. Luckily
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Speaker 1: for her, she's an entertain The forty four year old
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Speaker 1: dancer is looking for work and in a crazy random
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Speaker 1: Happens dance, Oscar Wilde's friends are looking to bring his
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Speaker 1: work back into sort of public view because they have
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Speaker 1: been unceremoniously banned after his massive trial and public outcry.
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Speaker 1: But he's been dead several years and his friends are
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Speaker 1: trying to bring his name back in some sort of
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Speaker 1: hopefully out of the realms of infamy, and Maud is
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Speaker 1: still very very famous, or the very least quite notorious.
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Speaker 1: So she agrees to come back. But it's not for
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Speaker 1: a public show. It is a private show, a private performance,
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Speaker 1: because not only are Oscar Wilde's works banned, but there
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Speaker 1: were very very strict rules about religious figures being portrayed
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Speaker 1: on the stage, so it was very much a fine
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Speaker 1: line for this performance. But again because this was not
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Speaker 1: a public sort of display, because it was a private
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Speaker 1: showing and it had to be paid for and booked
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Speaker 1: in advance. You had to request it, like you had
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Speaker 1: to write a letter and request admission and be a
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Speaker 1: patron of this particular theater, so members only, which made
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Speaker 1: it just about okay. So when the play is advertised
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Speaker 1: in early nineteen eighteen with more Allen as the star,
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Speaker 1: something else is kind of going on within politics in
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Speaker 1: Britain because on the sixth of February, the Representation of
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Speaker 1: People Act is past and this basically means women over
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Speaker 1: thirty who had property and money could vote, So a
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Speaker 1: wee bit of women's suffrage, not much, but a wee bit.
22:52
Speaker 1: So this is passed and then No Pemberton Billing writes
22:59
Speaker 1: this scathing article which was basically an attack on this
23:05
Speaker 1: one woman, not just Allen, but everything more Alan represents
23:10
Speaker 1: because she's a single woman who has her own income,
23:14
Speaker 1: who has her own life that doesn't revolve around the
23:19
Speaker 1: man being a necessity. You know, this is not the
23:24
Speaker 1: first dodgy article this man has ever written. So let
23:27
Speaker 1: me tell you a little bit about Pemberton Billing. So No,
23:32
Speaker 1: Pemberton Billing was a British MP, a Member of Parliament,
23:37
Speaker 1: and he was an independent, so he wasn't aligned with
23:41
Speaker 1: like conservatives or labor Yariara. He was just an independent
23:48
Speaker 1: and he had been trained as a barrister, so like
23:52
Speaker 1: a lawyer. He was once at one point an actor.
23:57
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling there may be a wee bit of
23:59
Speaker 1: jealousy going on, but that's neither here nor there. He
24:03
Speaker 1: was an aviator and an inventor, and of course an
24:07
Speaker 1: absolute dick. It's like taking the worst qualities of Joe
24:12
Speaker 1: Rogan and Andrew Tate. I know you're thinking, do they
24:15
Speaker 1: have good qualities? Maybe I've never seen them, But the
24:19
Speaker 1: point is it's like taking them throwing them back into
24:22
Speaker 1: a nineteen eighteen boy with the sensibilities and shit standards
24:27
Speaker 1: of the time, and just being the worst possible version
24:33
Speaker 1: of what a man could be. A year after being elected,
24:38
Speaker 1: he found this vigilante society promote and I shit you not,
24:45
Speaker 1: the purity in public life, and to discover and destroy
24:51
Speaker 1: the mysterious influence which was undermining the British war effort.
24:57
Speaker 1: The mysterious influence is Germany's influence, apparently, so he is
25:04
Speaker 1: hell bent on this. It's his own personal sad man crusade,
25:09
Speaker 1: with such charming slogans like hinder the huns, paralyzed propheteers,
25:17
Speaker 1: purify politics, win the war. Now, some of that, some
25:23
Speaker 1: of that's not so bad, like when the war, pure
25:27
Speaker 1: purified politics isn't the worst. But together together, it just
25:34
Speaker 1: makes you sound like an absolute toss pot. See, not
25:38
Speaker 1: only is this man a raging misogynist, he's also fucking fascist.
25:45
Speaker 1: He's xenophobic and racist and anti Semitic. I mean, are
25:50
Speaker 1: we really surprised at the rich white man who's very
25:55
Speaker 1: into purity and shit? All? Isn't this way? No, We're
26:00
Speaker 1: not fucking surprised at all. And for a couple of
26:02
Speaker 1: years he really seems to have this massive fucking issue
26:06
Speaker 1: with Maude Alan, specifically, like he is gunning for her.
26:11
Speaker 1: And so he publishes this article in his newspaper, The Vigilante.
26:17
Speaker 1: I say, newspaper. It is not worthy of wiping your
26:20
Speaker 1: arms with. It is a right wing fascist, just absolute propaganda,
26:27
Speaker 1: popularist bullshit. It is fucking awful. And they published this
26:32
Speaker 1: article called the Cult of the Clutterists, and it's written
26:36
Speaker 1: by I think Howard Spencer. I think it's Howard Spencer,
26:41
Speaker 1: who had been discharged from the British Army for insanity.
26:47
Speaker 1: And this trashy pest rag of a paper heavily implies
26:51
Speaker 1: that mode Alan is a lesbian. Although not illegal, was scandalous.
26:58
Speaker 1: You see, SAMs relationships for women were never held in
27:03
Speaker 1: the same way that they were for like men male
27:07
Speaker 1: same sex relationships. So where male homosexuality was just banned,
27:14
Speaker 1: women loving women was not because they didn't believe it
27:18
Speaker 1: was real and they thought that women would be manipulated
27:24
Speaker 1: into I'm explaining this poorly, you see, it was basically
27:28
Speaker 1: like shoring her sexuality. It existed and didn't exist simultaneously.
27:34
Speaker 1: So the general consensus was that lesbianism didn't exist because
27:41
Speaker 1: women were not seen as individuals. They were not seeing
27:45
Speaker 1: as sexual beings who had agency and their own desires,
27:50
Speaker 1: but they were also seen as deviants if they had
27:56
Speaker 1: said desires to Having desires is one thing, and then
28:00
Speaker 1: expressing those desires is just a fucking catastrophe, which brings
28:06
Speaker 1: us to the juxtaposition at the center of womanhood. Because
28:10
Speaker 1: women are not only these incredibly sly and sneaky and
28:17
Speaker 1: deceitful deviance, they're also innocent and ignorant and easily manipulated
28:23
Speaker 1: and foolish and everything that goes along with that. So
28:27
Speaker 1: they were worried that if they stated that lesbianism was
28:32
Speaker 1: a thing, if lesbianism was banned, it would become this
28:36
Speaker 1: big gay domino effect. So because women would learn what
28:41
Speaker 1: lesbianism is, they would then turn gay and start being lesbian,
28:48
Speaker 1: doing lesbian things. Like they would be so easily manipulated
28:53
Speaker 1: by the concept of lesbians that they would just fall
28:58
Speaker 1: into the fashion of it. It would be like the
29:01
Speaker 1: end thing, And that's what they were worried would happen.
29:04
Speaker 1: So it kind of existed to them, but also didn't
29:07
Speaker 1: exist to them. It's like this weird, this weird thing.
29:11
Speaker 1: So not only does this article basically accuse her of
29:15
Speaker 1: being a lesbian, but it also accuses man Alan of
29:18
Speaker 1: having an affair, a lesbian affair with the ex prime
29:24
Speaker 1: minister's wife, Margot askeduth see Margot is a woman who
29:30
Speaker 1: does not suffer fools lightly. So underneath this article of
29:36
Speaker 1: the cult of the Clitorists, there's an article on Margot Asquith. Now,
29:42
Speaker 1: she was the second wife of Herbert Asqueth, the previous
29:46
Speaker 1: Prime minister, and he was widowed and they got married,
29:50
Speaker 1: and she's like quick witted, she's smart. She moved around
29:54
Speaker 1: in intellectual circles. She was strong willed, she was opinionated,
29:59
Speaker 1: she did not the fuck down, and all of those
30:03
Speaker 1: sort of characteristics in her made her the opposite of
30:08
Speaker 1: the traditional concept of British femininity, you know, and what
30:14
Speaker 1: was acceptable to people like Pemberton Billing. So under the
30:19
Speaker 1: cult of Gluitterous article there is Margot and the snipers
30:23
Speaker 1: basically saying that she's colluding with the Germans and that
30:28
Speaker 1: she is going to be the equivalent of the previous
30:31
Speaker 1: French prime minister's like wife who shot to a journalist
30:37
Speaker 1: because he wrote like dodgy shit about her husband. She's
30:41
Speaker 1: seen as a sleeky, sneaky, treacherous, fucking bitch like that
30:46
Speaker 1: is the opinion that this Vigilante paper has of her.
30:50
Speaker 1: And the whole purpose of these articles was for a
30:56
Speaker 1: libel case to come about, like they wanted some and
31:00
Speaker 1: to accuse them of libel because they are obsessed with
31:03
Speaker 1: this forty seven thousand conspiracy. So for a good while
31:09
Speaker 1: the Vigilante and whatever the previous version of this journal
31:13
Speaker 1: was called, they were publishing these stories about this black
31:18
Speaker 1: book owned by Germany, and the black book had the
31:22
Speaker 1: name of forty seven thousand homosexual people in it. Ah, Yes,
31:27
Speaker 1: we're completely reasonable and not at all in sae idea
31:30
Speaker 1: that a country has a secret but not so secret
31:33
Speaker 1: big Book of Gays that it's going to use to
31:37
Speaker 1: destroy you. And because homosexuality, specifically male on male relationships
31:44
Speaker 1: was illegal in Britain at the time, and it was
31:48
Speaker 1: very controversial, very socially destructive and for a woman especially
31:55
Speaker 1: of the time even fucking now, because the patriarchy sucks
32:00
Speaker 1: that if your reputation was ruined, your life was basically over,
32:06
Speaker 1: like you were unsavable, you were destroyed, tarnished, unworthy, and
32:13
Speaker 1: they're absolutely not. Bonker's theory was that Germans were putting
32:18
Speaker 1: pressure on these people and because they had, you know,
32:21
Speaker 1: the Big Book of Gays, that they would release this
32:24
Speaker 1: information and just fucking ruined lives just all over the shop.
32:29
Speaker 1: And so people were pressured into working with the Germans
32:34
Speaker 1: to undermine the British war effort. Like at one point,
32:38
Speaker 1: blaming gay people just isn't enough, and they you know,
32:41
Speaker 1: they sprinkle ins and anti Semitism and so they accuse
32:45
Speaker 1: Jewish gay people as if it's some kind of gay
32:49
Speaker 1: Jewish agenda. The real gay agenda of deliberately spreading venereal
32:55
Speaker 1: diseases throughout like the British and Allied troops and order
33:00
Speaker 1: to builp fuck up the war effort, disease all the
33:04
Speaker 1: soldiers and get them sent off the battlefield and thus
33:07
Speaker 1: win the war. So not only did they think gay
33:11
Speaker 1: Jews were infiltrating the British army, seducing soldiers, and spreading
33:17
Speaker 1: syphilis in Gonerhel, they were also accusing Lesbians of infiltrating
33:23
Speaker 1: the British government via politicians' wives. And because they believed
33:29
Speaker 1: all of these things to be true, they wanted a
33:32
Speaker 1: libel case so that they could help promote it and
33:35
Speaker 1: push it and just really get into this. And the
33:39
Speaker 1: thing is, if maud Allen wasn't suing them for libel,
33:43
Speaker 1: Margot Asquith probably would because she'd done it before.
33:47
Speaker 2: She had been.
33:48
Speaker 1: Libeled for treason treason at least twice. So at one
33:54
Speaker 1: point she's accused of taking presents to German prisoners of
33:59
Speaker 1: war and of being an integral part of the plot
34:03
Speaker 1: to kill Kitchener by sending secret signals to the submarine
34:08
Speaker 1: that's Suncomb. The funny thing was like Margo won her
34:13
Speaker 1: cases like I mean, if she was accused of treason,
34:16
Speaker 1: bad things would happen. But she was able to prove
34:18
Speaker 1: that it was all fucking billshit, right. But mod Alan's like,
34:22
Speaker 1: fuck this for a game, Missldiers, I'm contesting this. I'm
34:26
Speaker 1: being libeled. So when mod Allen brings forth this libel case,
34:32
Speaker 1: he is ready billing, is ready with a plea of justification,
34:36
Speaker 1: because of course he does. This smarmy piece of shit.
34:40
Speaker 1: He says it's not defamation, because it's true. He says
34:45
Speaker 1: that mode Allen was.
34:46
Speaker 3: A lude unchased and a modern woman who was about
34:52
Speaker 3: to give private performances of an obscene and indecent character,
34:59
Speaker 3: which finally, we're designed to foster and encourage obstain and
35:04
Speaker 3: unnatural practices amongst winning.
35:07
Speaker 1: Because he's a misogynistic piece of shit, so she has
35:11
Speaker 1: brought this libel case against him. He is the defendant, right,
35:17
Speaker 1: And what happens is during this trial, maud Allen seems
35:22
Speaker 1: to be the one who's on trial, right, because of
35:27
Speaker 1: course it is because this is a woman who lives alone,
35:30
Speaker 1: who does not fall within the pathetic, shitty standards of
35:33
Speaker 1: the time, who is living her best life and is
35:37
Speaker 1: doing rather well for herself. She also has the misfortune
35:41
Speaker 1: of not being British, and because she had spent some
35:45
Speaker 1: time in Germany that also made her like dodgy. And
35:49
Speaker 1: then you throw in the fact that she's playing Salome,
35:53
Speaker 1: which although I think is Turkish, I think technically it's
35:57
Speaker 1: still seen as an other. And it's you know, it's
36:00
Speaker 1: just all British racism with its roots deep buried in
36:04
Speaker 1: and it's more who really deals with like the shit.
36:09
Speaker 1: So the entire first day of the trial is Billings
36:14
Speaker 1: basically cross examining her, and you're thinking, why is he
36:18
Speaker 1: cross examining her? Because he is that arsehole who defends himself.
36:24
Speaker 1: He is his own barrister, he is his own lawyer,
36:28
Speaker 1: he's in his own defense. I mean, luckily enough, he
36:32
Speaker 1: did actually train as a barrister. So it's not that shitty,
36:38
Speaker 1: you know, it's not I mean, it's still narcissistic, but
36:43
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as someone who's had no legal
36:45
Speaker 1: training whatsoever, who thinks they can defend themselves. So he's
36:51
Speaker 1: talking shit about mod Alan and the thing that really
36:57
Speaker 1: turns the case against her, apart the fact that she
37:01
Speaker 1: is a woman who exists because she understood the libelist
37:06
Speaker 1: claims against her, because she knew what the libel was.
37:13
Speaker 1: She was guilty of the fucking shit they accused her of,
37:17
Speaker 1: which is so ridiculous. And to top it all off,
37:20
Speaker 1: it is very fucking clear that there were two people
37:23
Speaker 1: on trial and neither of them is no Pemberton Billing,
37:28
Speaker 1: even though he is the defendant and he is the
37:30
Speaker 1: one who should be on trial. It is very much
37:34
Speaker 1: maud Allen and Margot Asquith that are being dragged through this.
37:41
Speaker 1: So right back in that article which had the forty
37:44
Speaker 1: seven thousand Big Book of Gay People owned by Germany whatever,
37:49
Speaker 1: it mentioned lesbian ecstasy in which the most sacred secrets
37:56
Speaker 1: of state were betrayed, and it all referencing Margot asked with,
38:03
Speaker 1: and it keeps leaning into and playing with this rumor,
38:06
Speaker 1: this gossip that's been going around for years that Margot
38:09
Speaker 1: asked With was a lesbian. I mean, she could have
38:12
Speaker 1: been by she might have been a lesbian, but a
38:16
Speaker 1: lot of it seems to stem from the fact that
38:18
Speaker 1: she was naturally wealthy, she was born into wealth. But
38:23
Speaker 1: we're not gonna hold this against her this one time,
38:25
Speaker 1: because she's a funny fucker and she pisses this bitch off.
38:30
Speaker 1: Margot was independently wealthy. She was really fucking clever, and
38:35
Speaker 1: she was modern. She was a modern woman. She had
38:40
Speaker 1: modern standards, and she gave a shit about herself, like
38:45
Speaker 1: she didn't fall into the concept of British femininity and
38:49
Speaker 1: what womanhood was. I keep ranting about this, but it's true.
38:54
Speaker 1: She was also a bit of a dick. But again,
38:58
Speaker 1: she was really funny. But she was also really generous
39:04
Speaker 1: and because she just gifted things to her friends and
39:07
Speaker 1: she helped other women, this also made her like a target.
39:12
Speaker 1: But back to the case. When mon Allen appears in court,
39:16
Speaker 1: she really plays up to that concept of femininity. So
39:21
Speaker 1: she dresses in like a blouse which is a wee
39:23
Speaker 1: bit too low, and she's got a cloak and a
39:26
Speaker 1: nice wee hat. Right, she's dressed well and she's gone
39:31
Speaker 1: there because she's accused of being a lesbian. She wants
39:35
Speaker 1: to look more womanly as opposed to more masculine. And
39:40
Speaker 1: there she sits in the old bailey after bringing forth
39:43
Speaker 1: a libel case, as she fucking should, because she saw
39:48
Speaker 1: this as a challenge to her honor and her respectability,
39:52
Speaker 1: her social standing, like this could fuck her entire life up,
39:58
Speaker 1: like these kind of statements, this gossip, this absolute tom fucker,
40:04
Speaker 1: eh could just destroy her entire life. So she's at
40:10
Speaker 1: the Old Bailey and she admits that she understood the
40:14
Speaker 1: libel on site. She read it, she knew what it meant,
40:19
Speaker 1: and she wasn't happy with the implication. Then Billing asks
40:23
Speaker 1: her if she is well acquainted with the term clitoris,
40:28
Speaker 1: and she's like, not particularly. And on top of this,
40:33
Speaker 1: it is made very clear that she did not have
40:36
Speaker 1: to explain, you know, the libel to her friends, like
40:39
Speaker 1: they also understood its meaning. So because she and her
40:45
Speaker 1: friends knew a what the clitoris was and b what
40:51
Speaker 1: lesbians are this This is really where the shit hits
40:55
Speaker 1: the fan for Maud and in one of the most
40:58
Speaker 1: pathetic gotcha's in history, Billing turns around and he states
41:04
Speaker 1: that he showed the libel the cult of clitoris to
41:08
Speaker 1: twenty four men, and out of these twenty four men,
41:14
Speaker 1: only one understood its meaning. I mean, are we really surprised? No, no,
41:24
Speaker 1: we're not so. Then Billing brings forth his chief medical
41:28
Speaker 1: witness on to the stand, and this part's incredibly worrying.
41:34
Speaker 1: So doctor Cyril Cook, Cyril, not Cyril Cyril. He showed
41:43
Speaker 1: the libel two fifty or sexty of his friends. He
41:48
Speaker 1: doesn't have an exact number, but he shows the libel
41:51
Speaker 1: to fifty or sixty of his friends and none of
41:54
Speaker 1: them understand. None of them know what it is, zero zilch, nada.
42:04
Speaker 1: This is a medical professional who one would assume is
42:10
Speaker 1: acquainted with other medical professionals, and none of them know
42:17
Speaker 1: what a clitteriss is. I mean, I know, I know
42:24
Speaker 1: it's the nineteen hundreds, right, but still, and then Billing
42:31
Speaker 1: brings in Captain Spencer because he's the one who wrote,
42:35
Speaker 1: you know, the actual piece. He's the one who wrote
42:37
Speaker 1: the headline. And he was asked why he chose this
42:42
Speaker 1: specific phrase, and Spencer says that he had contacted a
42:47
Speaker 1: village doctor who gave him the term clutteris and.
42:55
Speaker 4: Told him the clutteris is a superficial organ the when
42:59
Speaker 4: undula or a developed possess the most dreadful influence on
43:03
Speaker 4: any woman, that she should know the most extraordinary things.
43:07
Speaker 4: Unexaggerated clitterists might drive women to an elephant. Okay, somebody's
43:13
Speaker 4: got confidence issues. So we've got doctor Cook, who says
43:18
Speaker 4: that nobody but a medical man or people interested in
43:22
Speaker 4: that kind of thing would understand the term clitoris.
43:27
Speaker 1: So then you've got this other doctor, doctor Clark, who's asked,
43:30
Speaker 1: is there any other person that would understand the term clitoris?
43:35
Speaker 1: And he's like, m lesbians. And it's so fucking weird
43:40
Speaker 1: that this entire thing boils down to understanding clutteress. So
43:47
Speaker 1: not knowing the word meant that you were ignorant, and
43:50
Speaker 1: you weren't like a pervert basically, but by knowing the
43:55
Speaker 1: term and not being a medical professional, this meant that
44:00
Speaker 1: you were some kind of sexual deviant, like that's that's
44:05
Speaker 1: what this is. Another thing which really really fucked up
44:10
Speaker 1: everything for Maud was her brother. So because her brother,
44:15
Speaker 1: as we know, had killed those two young women, she
44:19
Speaker 1: was seen as a herreditary deviant and unfortunate, herreditary deviant,
44:26
Speaker 1: but herreditary deviant nonetheless, So because her brother did an
44:31
Speaker 1: awful thing, clearly she too must be awful, like that
44:35
Speaker 1: is that is what they're going with here, like they
44:39
Speaker 1: both have to be the same. And because of her
44:43
Speaker 1: brother's crime, Maude is labeled a sadist. As sadist because
44:51
Speaker 1: of something her brother did, what the fuck. And then
44:55
Speaker 1: of course we have Salome, the play that she's performing
44:58
Speaker 1: and the fact that it very much seen as deviant
45:03
Speaker 1: and criminal and dodgy as fuck, and Maud's response to
45:08
Speaker 1: it all is basically that it's different times what would
45:13
Speaker 1: have been seen as sort of not the done thing
45:16
Speaker 1: now back then, in that era, in that culture, this
45:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as shocking to like to Salomon, like
45:25
Speaker 1: seeing that the severed head, it wouldn't be as weird
45:28
Speaker 1: to her because this would have been something she would
45:30
Speaker 1: have known throughout her life. And the fact that she's
45:34
Speaker 1: not only standing up for the character and its existence,
45:39
Speaker 1: because she's standing up for something which is so far
45:43
Speaker 1: away from Britishness like this again makes her the other
45:51
Speaker 1: in all of this. Oh bollocks, I almost forgot the
45:54
Speaker 1: agent provocateur. Okay, So there's this woman Eileen, Yeah, I know,
45:59
Speaker 1: this sexiest name for a provocateur. So she is sent
46:03
Speaker 1: by Lloyd George to compromise billing, like she's supposed to
46:08
Speaker 1: seduce him and fuck him up, basically to get some
46:11
Speaker 1: dirt on him, and unfortunately, somehow she falls in love
46:18
Speaker 1: with this man. Okay, okay, I mean I'm pretty sure
46:27
Speaker 1: I've seen dish rags with a more sex appeal, but
46:31
Speaker 1: that it was the olden days. It was a different time,
46:34
Speaker 1: and people found creepy, misogynistic pieces of shit absolutely attractive. Apparently,
46:42
Speaker 1: so she falls for him, and she defects effectively, and
46:47
Speaker 1: she goes up in court and talks about this black Book,
46:51
Speaker 1: the forty seven thousand names in the Black Book, and
46:54
Speaker 1: you've got her and Spencer who are claiming to have
46:57
Speaker 1: seen it, but war show it to anybody, like apparently
47:02
Speaker 1: one of it, one of them was shown it by
47:05
Speaker 1: the Prince of Albania, but like it always seems to
47:09
Speaker 1: be just out with their grasp, like they can't show
47:12
Speaker 1: anybody else it. But it's real, it's definitely there. So
47:17
Speaker 1: they're asked about like the names that were in the book.
47:21
Speaker 1: And Spencer again, the man who was discharged from the
47:24
Speaker 1: British Army for insanity. He says that he will only
47:30
Speaker 1: give the names of who he thinks has been approached
47:33
Speaker 1: and succumbed to German agents. I will only give the
47:38
Speaker 1: names to those I think have been approached and have
47:42
Speaker 1: succumbed to German agents. Let's just think about that for
47:46
Speaker 1: a week. Second, he will only give the names of
47:50
Speaker 1: people who he thinks have been approached and succumbed by
47:54
Speaker 1: German agents. Not the names of people he knows, but
47:59
Speaker 1: just yes, because what's a lively leader to fuck it,
48:05
Speaker 1: it's fine. So he names Margot askedwith and Lord Halden.
48:13
Speaker 1: He does not remember killingly, mister Asquith's name being in
48:18
Speaker 1: the book, Herbert, that's not there pictures Margot. So again Eileen,
48:28
Speaker 1: she's like, I saw it too, those names were definitely
48:32
Speaker 1: in the book, pinky promise and stuff.
48:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
48:39
Speaker 1: So the judge on the case, he says that, you know,
48:43
Speaker 1: any information about this book is inadmissible in court unless
48:49
Speaker 1: you physically show us the book. But nobody shows him
48:53
Speaker 1: the book, and then they go on to discuss this
48:57
Speaker 1: book at width in detail consistently over the course of
49:03
Speaker 1: this trial. Like at one point Eileen says that the judge.
49:09
Speaker 2: Is in the book, and he's like, get out of
49:12
Speaker 2: my court, and she's like, nah, it is, it's it's
49:19
Speaker 2: it's something.
49:20
Speaker 1: It's definitely something. But like before the jury, you know,
49:24
Speaker 1: was supposed to make the decision, the judge tells them,
49:28
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't use any references to this book.
49:31
Speaker 1: There's forty seven thousand names like that can't be part
49:34
Speaker 1: of your decision. And then when Billing addresses the jury,
49:42
Speaker 1: all he does is talk about like Germany and German
49:47
Speaker 1: influence was infiltrating Britain and trying to take it down
49:51
Speaker 1: from the inside, like man, have a cup of tea,
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Speaker 1: Sit down, God, I have sex with someone I don't
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Speaker 1: know who's consenting, Like what, get a fucking hobby. So
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Speaker 1: one of mud Allen's lawyers he does the closing argument,
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Speaker 1: and he goes on about how this stuff about the
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Speaker 1: forty seven thousand names doesn't really matter, and that Pemberton
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Speaker 1: Filling never proved his plea for justification and that all
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Speaker 1: he wanted was publicity and that's what you gave him,
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Speaker 1: and in doing so, he's attempting to destroy this woman.
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Speaker 1: Don't do that. That's bad, and this all male jury.
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Speaker 1: They go back, they delivery, and when they return they
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Speaker 1: find no Pemberton Filling, accused of libel, is not guilty,
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Speaker 1: and the crowd goes wild, like people are just throwing
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Speaker 1: hats in the air and cheering, and you know, apparently
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Speaker 1: calling a woman a lesbian, an assadist and a German
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Speaker 1: spy without any evidence totally killed in the nineteen hundreds,
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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. This tonail of a man got to go
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Speaker 1: out in public and actively to fame a woman by
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Speaker 1: calling her a German loving, sadistic pervert and faced no
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Speaker 1: we percussions, all because her femininity was undesirable, because it
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Speaker 1: was that of a modern woman. So several months later, Eileen,
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Speaker 1: his mistress, she's convicted of bigamy and she breaks down
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Speaker 1: and confesses that everything she said on the trial was bullshit.
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Speaker 1: She'd made it up. It had been furs with billing.
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Speaker 1: They had practiced it beforehand so that she should come
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Speaker 1: on and dance little monkey dance in for Maude Allen.
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Speaker 1: As a result of this case, her European career just
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Speaker 1: fizzles out. She's seen as this dodgy deviant like evil women,
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Speaker 1: so she gives up on Europe and then she goes
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Speaker 1: back to the States and for Pemberan billing. By nineteen
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Speaker 1: twenty one, he ends up just resigning from his seat
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Speaker 1: instead of losing it. So eventually all that you know,
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Speaker 1: shouting into the abyss, it gives up. So three years
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Speaker 1: later he has to give up his seat because it's
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Speaker 1: seen it is more respectable than losing it to someone else,
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Speaker 1: and there you go. That is the story of the
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Speaker 1: case of the Cult of Clutteress. Now what did we
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Speaker 1: learn today? We learned that any concept or expression of
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Speaker 1: womanhoo that does not fall specifically within the male gaze
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Speaker 1: will always be seen as other or deviant. We also
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Speaker 1: learned that, within the case of the Cult of the Clitteress,
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Speaker 1: that the truth not unlike the Clitteress, was incredibly difficult,
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Speaker 1: nigh impossible for men to find. If you liked my
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Speaker 1: can follow me on all of the social media's. I
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Speaker 1: I am that person if you message me, and if
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Speaker 1: you message me, if you tweet me, I'll respond because
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Speaker 1: I will. It may take me a few hours because
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Speaker 1: I'm at work and also women a lot of pain,
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Speaker 1: but I'll get back to you. So today's episode is
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Speaker 1: dedicated to Emma Eerie, zary Error, zary Ira sorry, it's sorry.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Emma. You know I tried, and I
54:34
Speaker 1: think that's what matters, because I wasn't. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what nationality that your curtain name comes from, so I
54:42
Speaker 1: couldn't even hazard a guest, to be honest, but I tried.
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Speaker 1: And this episode is dedicated to you. You're welcome, you
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Speaker 1: got you got a good one. What episode did you get?
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Speaker 1: Dedicated it? It's fine. I don't need to say it aloud.
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Speaker 1: It's it's okay. So before I go, it's recommendation time.
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Speaker 1: So I want to recommend Murder Most Irish. That's for listening.
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Speaker 1: I was traveling back from Dublin and I listened to
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Speaker 1: like so so many episodes, Emma, Sarah, Jane Colin. They're
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Speaker 1: just absolute delights. I fucking love them. They are They're just.
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Speaker 1: They're fun and they're irreverent and witty and it's just
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Speaker 1: and it's crime, which is nice. So it's good and
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Speaker 1: it's Irish crime. So if you like that or crimes
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Speaker 1: in Ireland also, maybe yes, just check them out. They
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Speaker 1: really good for watching. Oh, House of the Dragon, listen,
55:48
Speaker 1: I'm into it. I like it. You can judge me
55:51
Speaker 1: if you want. That's fine, but I'm enjoying it. Go
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Speaker 1: watch it. And for reading, I am reading currently. I
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Speaker 1: just started reading I'm Glad that My Mom Died by
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Speaker 1: Jeanett McCarthy. It's finally here, so oh yeah, before I go.
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Speaker 1: So I opened up the box. I was like, oh, look, mom,
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Speaker 1: on your books here, and my mother gave me such
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Speaker 1: side eye. Probably not the best book to sort of
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Speaker 1: wave gleefully at your mother. Yep. Not not a good idea,
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Speaker 1: not the best idea. But it is a good read.
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Speaker 1: It is heart wrenching, but it's really good. It's really good.
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Speaker 1: So that's it. That's everything, and I shall bid you
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Speaker 1: good night. Adios au Revoir of w Ism, my friends,
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Speaker 1: bye bye,