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The Storming of Brazilian Congress Pt. 1 · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Destroy.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: dary podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Who are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 3: That makes us your host's Olivia. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: It's going? Well?
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  Speaker 3: What have you been doing since we recorded last Oh?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I got some water. I took pictures of
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  Speaker 1: the pretty new studio.
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  Speaker 3: It is nice in here.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And that's about it.
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  Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, I didn't do much else, So this is
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  Speaker 3: a free episode. Yeah, talking about the recent attacks on
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  Speaker 3: the Brazilian Congress. This is gonna be a two parter,
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  Speaker 3: technically a three parter, because if you're not a subscriber,
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  Speaker 3: then you probably missed last week's bonus episode that was
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  Speaker 3: about a documentary called The Edge of Democracy, which talks
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  Speaker 3: about the presidency of Luis in Nasio, Lula da Silva,
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  Speaker 3: and Dilma Russeph. Yes, one of those presidencies ended in
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  Speaker 3: impeachment and one of them somehow ended with an eighty
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  Speaker 3: seven percent approval rating and a lengthy prison s. One
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  Speaker 3: of those and the twists and turns it took to
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  Speaker 3: get there are the subject of that documentary, for one thing,
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  Speaker 3: and they are also wild as shit.
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  Speaker 1: And I definitely recommend any American who maybe is not
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  Speaker 1: an expert in Brazilian politics to watch it. It's not perfect
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  Speaker 1: by any means. Few political documentaries are, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll give you a much stronger understanding of the attitudes
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  Speaker 1: and policies and the political climate that led to the
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  Speaker 1: current crisis.
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  Speaker 3: And if you've been following Brazilian politics at all recently,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably because of JayR Bolsonaro. And The Edge of
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  Speaker 3: Democracy is essentially about the political maneuverings that clear the
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  Speaker 3: way for JayR Bolsonaro to take power in Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like Thanos in the first Avengers movie,
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  Speaker 1: where like he comes in at the end and you realize, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably going to be like a huge problem later on,
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  Speaker 1: but in this story he's a minor figure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's really interesting in that way because by the
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  Speaker 3: time the documentary was made and released, we already knew
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  Speaker 3: jay Or Bolsonara was a problem, but the events that
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  Speaker 3: it covers, Bolsnara was just really starting to make his
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  Speaker 3: way in Brazil like he'd been around forever. But it
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  Speaker 3: was the point where he started really talking about I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be president.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he was becoming a figurehead, right.
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  Speaker 3: And if you haven't seen the documentary, I would highly
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  Speaker 3: recommend it, not just for the insight it will give
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  Speaker 3: you into what we're talking about the next couple weeks,
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  Speaker 3: which is the Brazilian Congress attacks, but just so you
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  Speaker 3: can see all of the harrowing and frightening parallels to
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  Speaker 3: United States politics that are at play in Brazil and
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  Speaker 3: have been for years, years and years and years.
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  Speaker 1: It's very depressing. It's a very sad thing to watch
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  Speaker 1: now in the current era.
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  Speaker 3: And just in the name of providing a quick catchup
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  Speaker 3: for people who haven't watched that documentary yet, Lula again,
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  Speaker 3: Luis and Nasio Lula de Silva, you're just bragging now, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Well this time it's in the notes. That's why it
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  Speaker 3: came out so much faster. He was president of Brazil
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  Speaker 3: from two thousand and three to twenty eleven, and he
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  Speaker 3: oversaw the largest economy in Latin America.
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  Speaker 1: We dur in that time, and it became the largest
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  Speaker 1: economy in Latin America because of policies that he enacted,
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  Speaker 1: which is important to point out.
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  Speaker 3: His time in office also coincided with a vast reduction
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  Speaker 3: in poverty, which is a thing the United States does
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  Speaker 3: not like. No, you don't like when our Latin American
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  Speaker 3: countries start feeding people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we don't like when anybody is feeding people. That's
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  Speaker 1: not our favorite thing. True, especially I mean Latin Americans,
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  Speaker 1: American and American American United States Americans.
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  Speaker 3: His successor, del Marusseth, took his reform even further and
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  Speaker 3: promised to clean up corruption in the Brazilian government, and
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  Speaker 3: that ended up being her undoing. The country's right wing
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  Speaker 3: politicians just kind of banded together to refocus those corruption
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  Speaker 3: investigations on Lula and Ruseph and rusef ends up getting impeached,
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  Speaker 3: Lula ends up going to prison. If you did listen
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  Speaker 3: to that episode and watch the documentary and have not
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  Speaker 3: looked into it at all since then, or didn't make
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  Speaker 3: it to the end of last week's episode where we
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  Speaker 3: already said this, Lula is out of prison now. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: he was released in twenty nineteen and his convictions were
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  Speaker 3: thrown out in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Which is great.
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  Speaker 3: The last part's really great, because that is what cleared
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  Speaker 3: the way for him to run for president again if
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to, and he.
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  Speaker 1: Did want to, Oh, he in fact did want to
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  Speaker 1: do that. It's good, good, which shocking.
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  Speaker 3: He's not back in prison. I can't believe they didn't
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  Speaker 3: just like re arrest, right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like wait, wait wait wait wait no, no, no, we.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't think that was gonna happen. We thought it would
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  Speaker 3: just be happy to be out of prison.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: And so Lula one yes, barely, yeah, by a hair
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  Speaker 3: fifty point nine percent of the vote versus Bolsnaro's forty
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  Speaker 3: nine point one percent of the vote, just.
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  Speaker 1: Over one percent.
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  Speaker 3: A result I don't remember since I did these notes,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm sure Bolsnaro's gonna take that in stride. Oh sure,
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  Speaker 3: immediately concede victory.
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  Speaker 1: Right, just like Trump did, right right. Who he is
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  Speaker 1: obviously a fan.
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  Speaker 3: Of, very big fan, and I bet Trump is a
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  Speaker 3: big fan. I'm sure Bolscenaro.
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  Speaker 1: If he's said nice things about Trump, then Trump is
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  Speaker 1: a big fan.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like if Trump looks in the mirror, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like he sees JayR.
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  Speaker 1: Bols Sure it's his idealized digital self images like in
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  Speaker 1: the matrix.
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  Speaker 3: That's what his Nintendo Lee avatar looks like. Looks like Bolsonaro, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's what he thinks his tan looks like. Yeah, yikes.
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  Speaker 3: So he did not concede victory im meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, no wait, I thought we were just talking
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  Speaker 1: about how we did.
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  Speaker 3: I was sure he was gonna but no. Instead, what
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  Speaker 3: Bolsonaro did is just kind of went into hiding for
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days after he lost. Like, he didn't
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  Speaker 3: say yes, I lost, he didn't say no I won.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't say shit for like forty eight hours. And
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  Speaker 3: so you're not gonna believe this, but Bolsonaro spent a
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  Speaker 3: good part of the election claiming that the country's electronic
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  Speaker 3: voting machines are susceptible to fraud and that if he lost,
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  Speaker 3: he was not going to accept the results.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Shocking, I've never heard of anything like this before.
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  Speaker 3: Shocking turn of events. What's even more shocking is Brazil.
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  Speaker 3: If you watch the Edge of Democracy, see it seems
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  Speaker 3: like they've been dealing with that since, like Lula was
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  Speaker 3: getting elected. Sure, and to be fair, the United States
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  Speaker 3: has two It's just that it was two thousand and
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and four, when we were really up in
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  Speaker 3: arms about stolen elections and we didn't do shit about
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  Speaker 3: it then.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, but I mean, like we do have people who
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  Speaker 1: are all up in arms about stolen elections now, right,
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  Speaker 1: which is you know, kind of also applicable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it seems like with Brazil it's always just
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  Speaker 3: been the results aren't good. It doesn't matter. Like we
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  Speaker 3: at least had some specific complaints. Sure in two thousand. Yeah, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court just gave him. Right, that's not right,
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  Speaker 3: is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's like, that's just such baby corruption compared
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  Speaker 1: to the things that go on in Brazil. I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: this in our episode about the Edge of Democracy, but
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  Speaker 1: the difference in tone between American and Brazilian politics, while
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  Speaker 1: not being very different, especially on the right wing side,
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  Speaker 1: like the key difference is that there are many people
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  Speaker 1: alive and working in the government who have a working
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  Speaker 1: memory of a time when there was a literal military
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  Speaker 1: dictatorship in their country, and they have a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people in the country who also remember that and are
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  Speaker 1: passing these memories on to their children. And those people
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  Speaker 1: liked that, right, and so they're able to be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more forward about the actual intentions behind their
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  Speaker 1: right wing policies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And so he did eventually hold a
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  Speaker 3: press conference, yeah, where he didn't exactly concede, but he
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  Speaker 3: did say something like I'm going to follow the constitution,
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  Speaker 3: which was basically him saying he's not going to interfere
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  Speaker 3: with the transfer of power. And also a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: his allies in Brazilian government chimed in to recognize his defeat.
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  Speaker 1: I think they probably realized that they didn't need to
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  Speaker 1: do that step because people would just get mad on
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  Speaker 1: their behalf.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, and that's what happened. That is exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Bolscenaro supporters lost their shit, ye. And it's very similar
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  Speaker 3: like the storming of Congress in Brazil. It's similar to
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  Speaker 3: what happened in the United States obviously on January sixth,
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  Speaker 3: but it seems so much more intense the build up
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  Speaker 3: to it. Like there was online chatter about January sixth
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  Speaker 3: that the FBI saw and was like cool, mountain storm
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  Speaker 3: the Capitol with all those cameras rolling. But with Brazil,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't just online chatter. It was just escalating incidents
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  Speaker 3: of violence where it's like, how did you not know
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  Speaker 3: this was happening, and it did come out like this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be two episodes when we get to
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  Speaker 3: the actual the riots at Brazilian Congress. They knew it
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  Speaker 3: was coming, they just thought they could contain it. And
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  Speaker 3: apparently they didn't watch the prequel that happened on January
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  Speaker 3: sixth in the United States, because it's hard to contain
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  Speaker 3: when some of you are in on it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, when you don't want to hurt these people because
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  Speaker 1: they're your voters.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, you see the same things where there's
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  Speaker 3: like police and military involved in helping the rioters, and
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  Speaker 3: then I don't know how you plan for that, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: not my job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would say the first thing I would do
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  Speaker 1: is not push fascist ideologies. Yeah, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm talking out my ass here, but that would
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  Speaker 1: be my first move in preventing a militarized fascist population
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  Speaker 1: from trying to kill me. It might work, yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: not stoke those ideas, but hey, that's just me.
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  Speaker 3: It's one potential remedy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, look, hindsight, it's twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just going to the marketplace of ideas. You
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  Speaker 3: need us to pick you anything up?
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  Speaker 1: Were there you know, no one could have seen that
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  Speaker 1: stoking the right wing and fascist intents of parts of
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  Speaker 1: your populace could backfire on you.
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  Speaker 3: I no one know that, Noah. And so the first
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  Speaker 3: thing Bolsonaro supporters do is tens of thousands. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: sources that put it closer to one hundred thousand. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Bolsonaro supporters protested at military bases across the country, calling
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  Speaker 3: for the military to stop Lula from being inaugurated again.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the relationship with the military dictatorship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because this happened in at least seventy five cities,
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  Speaker 3: including all of Brazil's twenty seven state capitals. And on
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  Speaker 3: the one hand, I mean, that makes it easy for
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  Speaker 3: the military if they at any point want to just
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  Speaker 3: start mowing down protesters. They like don't even have to mobilize,
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  Speaker 3: they can just go out to the fence.
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  Speaker 1: But like, it's not like they're protesting again the military, right,
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  Speaker 1: so they really don't want to kill these people because
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  Speaker 1: they're there being like, hey, we love you, please do something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if they realize that they're
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  Speaker 3: really putting the military in a spot like I could
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  Speaker 3: see this putting a little bit of that mistrust in
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  Speaker 3: the military in place with some of these protesters. I
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  Speaker 3: just watched and we're doing an episode about it somewhere
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  Speaker 3: down the road with Jen Scott. There's a documentary called
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  Speaker 3: This Place Rules.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just saw that. With that, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: watch it.
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  Speaker 3: But freshly disgraced filmmaker Andrew Callahan.
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  Speaker 1: I had never heard of that guy, and before that
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  Speaker 1: thing came.
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  Speaker 3: Out, I hadn't either. But one of the things you
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  Speaker 3: see in that documentary is the rift that formed between
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  Speaker 3: the Proud Boys and the police, where Proud Boys were
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  Speaker 3: always like very pro cop, absolutely, and that eventually suit
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  Speaker 3: duper changed. And it's because like stuff like this, they
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  Speaker 3: were showing up at rallies being like, eh, stop calling
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  Speaker 3: for people to defund the police. Yeah, but then they
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  Speaker 3: get tear gassed by the police and they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we were here for you, And then come January sixth,
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  Speaker 3: they're like, man, fuck the police if you're not on
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  Speaker 3: Trump's side. And I think that was where people kind
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  Speaker 3: of made that mistake in criticizing the January sixth protesters,
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  Speaker 3: where they're like, oh, you're so pro cop, but you're
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  Speaker 3: attacking cops. It's like they weren't pro cop by that point.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, which I mean same but yeah, but again, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to these sort of things, the reasons matter, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The reasons the Proud Boys are not pro cop
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  Speaker 3: is because the cops didn't want to let them beat
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  Speaker 3: up black people.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say they're not anti cop because they
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  Speaker 1: want there to be a strong racist police force, right,
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  Speaker 1: but they are against cops who have a political agenda, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: globalist cops.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, these protesters in Brazil when they're occupying
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  Speaker 3: these military bases or the outside of military bases, they
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  Speaker 3: had some pretty simple demands. The military should take control
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  Speaker 3: of the streets. Who doesn't want that? Great Congress and
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court should be disbanded. Cool and Bolscenaro should remain
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  Speaker 3: in power until new elections can be held. What's the harm?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very simple. You could argue with any
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  Speaker 1: of these Aha.
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  Speaker 3: And the problem is this election that their claiming was
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  Speaker 3: so riddled with fraud was overseen by the military. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they issued the final report about how clean this election was,
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  Speaker 3: So they're not going to step in and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we fucked up. It was all fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the thing, Like, this would not be
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  Speaker 1: my first test in this situation. I don't think. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I would immediately go, Okay, let's go
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  Speaker 1: get the military. And I think it's a perspective thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a worldview thing. I don't have that
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  Speaker 1: kind of I mean, obviously I don't have that kind
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  Speaker 1: of view of the military, But I don't think a
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  Speaker 1: right wing person in America has that kind of relationship
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  Speaker 1: with the military.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. And I think probably in
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  Speaker 3: our current political climate, a lot of that would have
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  Speaker 3: to do with the military not necessarily aligning with Trump, right,
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  Speaker 3: like especially the woke generals that he called out all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those generals, they're so whoa, so woke.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just spreading their liberal values all across the glow. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: Oh take all this freedom and democracy, it's all we're delivering. Baby.
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  Speaker 1: I can't I can't even wrap my head around that.
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  Speaker 1: We can't we can't go into that. It just makes
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  Speaker 1: my head spin.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, these protesters, they don't just want Bolscenaro
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  Speaker 3: back in place, they want a full on military dictatorship again,
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  Speaker 3: like permanently.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happens when your version of make America
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  Speaker 1: great again literally means literally a previous military dictatorship, Like
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  Speaker 1: if America had had that experience, that would be exactly
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  Speaker 1: what the modern Republicans would want to go back to, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And what's so frightening about that is the military is
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  Speaker 3: saying no now. Yeah, but the more people that jump
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  Speaker 3: on board an idea like that, if that spreads enough,
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  Speaker 3: who says the military at some point doesn't go, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's just what the people want. Yeah, So we are
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  Speaker 3: going to send Lula back to prison again by force.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they'd probably execute him the simi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, prison he can get out of, as we've seen.
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  Speaker 3: So as it became clear that the military was not
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  Speaker 3: going to intervene to stop Lula from being inauguration election,
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  Speaker 3: misinformation starts spreading like wildfire online in Brazil. It already
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  Speaker 3: was before this, but this was a very specific form
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  Speaker 3: that was like, no, this election that just happened, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: was rigged, much more targeted. Yeah, you know, just like
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  Speaker 3: we saw here in twenty twenty. And this led to
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  Speaker 3: a crackdown on social media that saw several of Bolsnaro's
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  Speaker 3: biggest and most prominent allies getting their social media accounts suspended. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: which is also a thing that happened here. Yes, and
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  Speaker 3: that I accept. You're walking a fine line when it
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  Speaker 3: starts coming to that, because that's obviously censorship, but it's
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  Speaker 3: also a government trying to put down what they see
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  Speaker 3: as an insurrection. Right, it's a suspending social media accounts.
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  Speaker 3: Be lucky you got off with just that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not censorship because that requires like a government or
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  Speaker 1: an authority figure. It's just but it is obviously picking
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  Speaker 1: a side, which I'm sure people can frown upon. But whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think if it were me, I would
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  Speaker 1: be happy that my politicians were getting kicked off of Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any politicians should be on Twitter. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have said several times the second Obama tweeted,
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  Speaker 3: we should have been like, nope, nope, nope, nope. That
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  Speaker 3: was a legitimately huge mistake. Yes, on America's hard to
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  Speaker 3: see at the time, Yeah, because he was the social
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  Speaker 3: media president and we had.
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  Speaker 1: Yet to have the type of relationship with social media
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: that we now have. And yeah, I think that was
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a huge mistake that no one could have seen coming.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Now, the thing about the social media accounts in Brazil
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that were shut down is that move was ordered by
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: the government. Oh crazy, It was the Supreme Court Justice
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Alexander de Morris who ordered that these social media accounts
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: be shut down, and that does seem a little more
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: extreme to me. But also one thing we're seeing with
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: like the Twitter files stuff that I still think is
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: not all that shocking is there were cases where elected
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: officials here or people who are running for office reached
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: out to Twitter and asked them to take down tweets
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that redeemed misinformation, right, which still doesn't reach this level
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: where the Supreme Court is shutting down social media accounts.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: But I think that I don't know, kind of speaks
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to how much more serious.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely still it's definitely fucked up.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, if what they're using their
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: social media accounts for was lies in propaganda and misinformation,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: then I don't know, is that really censorship.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Well here's the thing. Even if it's censorship, again, the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: people they're censoring, this is a government that is taking
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: on an opposition like these are people who want to
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: overthrow the government. So cutting your fucking Twitter feed is
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: gonna be the least of your problems after a while.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: That's like really preliminary shit. And that's the thing with
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: any government that is going through a coup, shutting down
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: the internet, it's one of the first things that happens,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Like they did it in Egypt, like immediately, but this
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: was a little more selective. And I don't know, I mean,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I get it, like I think it does actually kind
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: of amount to censorship. But it's also like I just
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: mentioned this Place Rules documentary. They interview Alex Jones extensively
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in that, and he keeps saying, my show is called
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: info Wars, not physical wars, not gun wars, it's info wars.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And it's like, if that's the course of action you're taking,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: where we're just fighting the government with information, motherfucker. The
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: government's going to fight back, yeah, and they're going to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: fight back by blocking your information. Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I think maybe the whole situation is more complicated than
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: terms like censorship even oh sure, I feel like it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: important to stress that, like maybe it is censorship, maybe
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it's not, but whether or not that has the same
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: implications as what an American's understanding of censorship is. I mean,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: who knows. We can't say, yeah, but I don't know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of just rambling. But it's crazy that the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Supreme Courter it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Did make its way to Tucker Carlson's show.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Great cool.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely called it censorship and was very angry.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well about it, speaking of propaganda and fucking lies.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Right. Among those kicked off social media, Bruno Ayoub, who
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: goes by the name Monarch. He's one of Brazil's most
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: famous podcasters. His YouTube channel, with more than four million followers,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: was deactivated.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Nicholas Ferrara, twenty six year old influencer and congressman elect
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: with over two million followers, was suspended from Twitter, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: lawmaker Carla Zambelli, who has over nine point five million followers,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: was suspended from ten different platforms. Like this is different
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: than it's happening in the US. In this case, the
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court granted themselves like sweeping powers, including giving Marius
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the unilateral authority to mandate the removal of any content
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: he wants, enforced by hourly fines and potential suspension of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: some tech company's right to stay in business. That's one
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: of those things where if you're on Lula's side, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you're thinking, well, yep, I get why they put that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: in place, makes perfect sense. You damn well better have
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: like a date written in your calendar to go back
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: to Lula and be like, you're gonna turn that off now. Yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: you just censor whatever you want forever, and they're like, no,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it's forever. Sorry.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like that crazy surveillance system in the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: dark Knight, right, where like Lula has to be like, look,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: don't worry, I have said it to self destruct at
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: this specific time, so it's fine.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I mean, COVID surveillance is yeah, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: think similar example where something we're finding not so much
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: in the United States yet, but in other countries they've
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: already started using that COVID surveillance for now other shit.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Which sucks because that stuff was also what helped a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: lot of countries keep the virus under control, yeah, when
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the United States wasn't able to.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: That's how it works. Yeah, just slide some of your
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: personal liberties across the table and they slide safety back
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: at you. And if you're in Brazil, sometimes the person
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: slide in that safety back at you is Lady Gaga.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: This is nuts and I love this story so much.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: The absolute peak of election misinformation that circulated in Brazil
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: after this election was a claim that Lady Gaga is
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: actually an employee of the International Criminal Court at the Hague.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And this claim appeared alongside this doctored image that appeared
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to show Lady Gaga on a zoom call with JayR. Balsonaro.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And it's definitely her in this picture, and she's like
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: wearing this outfit that looks like she is at work
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: at the Hague, of course, and the claims identify her
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: as Stephanie Germanada, which is her real name, but also
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: it's Stephanie Germanada Comma Prime Minister of the Hague Court,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that is her real name. That is not a position
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: at the Hague.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: What Prime minister?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister of the Hague Court.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: For some reason, right wingers have a real b in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: their bonnet about the fucking International Criminal Court. I wonder
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: what that's about, Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I wonder what that's about. Who could ever know?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Who could say?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: So? This video that was circulating claimed that Lady Gaga
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: was gonna be the one responsible for authorizing this military
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: intervention that was gonna put Bolsnaro back in office and
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: that this zoom call was proof that it was gonna
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: happen any day.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe I miss this. Who knows why Lady Gaga?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: No idea is it?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Did she do something to piss them off? Who whoever
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: is doing this stupid thing? I have no clue, But like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: what's the gain of Lady Gaga being the person who's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in the international criminal court. You're still on trial at
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the criminal court? Doesn't matter who the fucking head of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it is. Why Lady Gaga?
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've missed a key piece of context.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to make sense of this because
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think it makes sense.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe it's just that wingers are stupid.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: It would be Yeah, this part especially feels like social experiment. Shit, yeah,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, what can we get these fucking dunderheads to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: believe to online?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Like the world over? Just everybody log the fuck off?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Just you know what, watch some TV? Just log off
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and watching Netflix?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Sure, I mean yeah, yeah, go watch Old Enough, that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: story about Japanese babies running errands.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: That is a cute show. Have you watched?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's the best, so adorable, it's the best show.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: People got mad about it. It's like people got mad
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: about it. There were people who were like, oh, it's irresponse.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: This is why I'm not on Twitter. See, this is
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: exactly the reason, because what's that I do?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: But I don't get this stuff from Twitter. I go
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: through a bunch of headlines every day, well to like
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: find topic ideas, and that's where I see shit like, well, I.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Mean fuck that, that's just cultural.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: The episode where the kid had to make the lemonade,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just kept playing this toys.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched Yes, Yes, and the mom calls of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the house. My favorite is the one where the two
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: friends have to go to the shrine. It's adorable. It's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the best anyway. It's a fun show that has as
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: much to do with Brazil as Lady exactly.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And so the next move from Bolsonaro supporters this also
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: sounds familiar, but they seem like they were way better
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: at it. Truck drivers, apparently encouraged by military reservists, launched
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: a series of roadblocks. Like at their height, they had
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: something like three hundred plus roadblocks across twenty five states.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's what our truck protesters wish that they had done.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved the video of one of those truck
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: caravans getting just owned by a dude on a bike
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: because he's like, you're not gonna fucking run me over?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you gonna kill me?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So enjoy going twelve miles an hour through my neighbor.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: So good. There was an eerie thing that happened with
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: these brazil truck blockades, though, where the military immediately moved
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: in to make sure they couldn't block the roads that
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: lead to Congress. And it's like, did you want to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: make sure like the protesters who were gonna storm it
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: could get there? Is that why you left it open?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It seems like blocking it might have been a good idea.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look maybe, and this is pure ignorant speculation.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe like people who were in the military have figured
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: out that they could have a much easier time of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the whole coup thing if they step back and just
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: gently encourage people to do it themselves. Yeah, and then
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: they can step in eventually and be like, look, we'll
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: handle this, we can cool this down.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Which I kind of feel like if Trump got
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: re elected, that was what we would have seen with
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: like Black Lives Matter protests.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Sure, again, like Trump's relationship with the military is different,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: but like it definitely wouldn't be hard to convince them.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think to do that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so either. And so these blockades
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: they carried on for a bunch of weeks, and they
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: just kind of got scarier and more violent as they
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: went along. At one point, police said the blockades were
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: being carried out by quote, extremely violent and coordinated hooded men.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Gold it's always a good sign.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, what kind of hoods are we talking? I
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: don't like that at all. There was also one region
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: where the blockade protesters demanded that local shops shut down
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: in recognition of the protest, and any that didn't would
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: suffer reprisals. That's an extra step.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And a bunch of cool guys.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just want freedom, yeah, exactly. They just want
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: the freedom to tell people who to vote.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: For or die, yeah, or whether you're able to open
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: your business or die.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Right, right, that's just how the free market works. Conveniently,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: despite being one of the most active world leaders on
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: social media, Bolsonaro kind of went missing during all this. Yeah,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: silent didn't say anything about it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine, it seems like that's his move seems like kind
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of a pussy.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Kind of a pussy, but also kind of a I'll
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: let them tear shit up for a while and see
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: how it goes. Of course the cowards move, right, Yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: it's a cowards move, but it's also kind of a
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: is this going to work? Yeah? Well I get to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: go back and be empowered exactly. Yeah, And it should
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: go without saying that they were also throwing up Nazi salutes? Sure,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: why not again? A little bit of a connection between
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Brazil and the Nazis, sure, allegedly allegedly, And we'll link
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to an article about it. But this article is in
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Portuguese because here's the thing I do my fucking research.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: But also it's one of those pages that like refreshes
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: every like thirty seconds. Sure, and so you can click
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the translate thing to make it English and read it,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: but then it's gonna refresh, yeah, at some point and
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: go back to Portuguese, and that happens very quickly. So
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I was able to read like the first paragraph, Right,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: but Nazis in Brazil?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Cool? Who knew?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that. I mean, it's technically not the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Nazi salute. It's a fascist salute. Sure, but you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: at this point in history, that's just splitting hairs. But
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's definitely a racial element to these protests,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: as there is to all right wing protests around the globe.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: But I feel like the Nazi element is yeah, much
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: more fascist.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So after that didn't work, after the truck
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: protests eventually fizzled out, and once again it's the military
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that they're wanting to intervene in this election. Eventually it's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: just the military every time that's like, no, we're just
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: going to break up your protests. Yeah, that happened when
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: they were protesting at military bases. Eventually the military broke
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: it up with tear gas. Yeah, and it happened here
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: where eventually the military was like, we're the military, we'll
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: just clear the streets.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Well. It also seems like that's a fundamental problem with
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the truck convoy protests, which I also had the thought
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: about when they were happening in North America. It's like
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that's a type of protest that is heavily reliant on
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: being able to pay for gas and maintenance of your vehicle,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: so they have I mean, like that just can't last
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: for very long. By its nature, right, that has to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: run out of steam eventually.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Unless it's being funded, which something we'll get into on
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the next episode about the Brazilian Congress riots is that
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: this is all being financed by like the aggress sector. Sure,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: yeah in Brazil, like really rich farming companies in corporations.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Definitely not slave owners.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, definitely not.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I would never claim such a thing. And I'm not
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: claiming that they're slave owners.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's not a thing, not on our half
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: of the globe.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Wait oh yeah, so that half okay, right, interesting, Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'd normally put ourselves on that of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the globe. Okay, you get it, I get it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: The west. Sure. So the next thing, after the truck
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: protest didn't work, some motherfuckers Bolsonnaro supporters stormed the federal
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: police headquarters.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is honestly kind of crazy when you see
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: what Brazilian federal police dress.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in the edge of the democracy documentary,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: but like they are straight up fucking black ball of
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: clava wearing motherfuckers.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I am shocked this didn't end in the death. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: hundreds of protesters, Like.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I'm all about fucking storming police headquarters. But if they
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: see motherfuckers are wearing fucking black ski masks, yeah, I
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: might have more caution.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: And also it's like, should lawmakers in Brazil have seen
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the storming of Congress coming, right, It's like, yeah, they
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: stormed the federal police headquarters a month earlier. They're gonna
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: storm any fucking thing you put in front of them.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: They're kind of in a storming mood.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Storming is just their thing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's trending right now. Everybody's on TikTok and they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: all like, hey, storm.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: And there was one commentator in Brazil just called it
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a botched attempt at a January sixth style riot.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: One could call it a batch a tempt or one
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: could call it a dress rehearsal.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly. The attack on the police headquarters happened after
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Lula's victory was officially ratified by Brazil's electoral court. Yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: so probably over now, Like now that it's ratified, there's
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: nothing else really for them to complain about it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, because I feel like Lula, just from the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: vibe that I've gotten from what I've heard of him,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: seems like he would just be like, oh, okay, that's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: what you're attacking in response to me winning okay.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Fine, oh no, not the police.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously it escalated later, but still, and so.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: This incident did lead to some fears that there could
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: be more violence in the future for some reason. But
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the man Lula appointed as his future justice minister, he's
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: got just a wonderful name, Flavio Dino. That is a
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: great name.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And look it looks like Dino and that's just how
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: my brain processes that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: So he was very reassuring. Here's a quote. Are there,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: unfortunately people who want anti democratic and illegal chaos? Yes,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: there are. But these people did not prevail today, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: they will not prevail tomorrow.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: They'll prevail in like a couple of weeks.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might even you know, stretch into like twenty
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: twenty four, but eventually they'll prevail.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: They will, unfortunately prevail.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: And so with Lula's victory certified, everyone just packed up
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and went home, just joking. The next thing that happened
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: is someone who wanted to bomb the Brazilia airport. Yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: that was stopped by police. A few days after the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: storming of the Federal Police headquarters, a man named George
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Washington Day. OLIVERA Souza was arrested after police foiled a
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: plot to set off an explosive device near the Brazilia
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Airport and acting was trying to carry out in protest
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: of Lula's win. This is just full of unfortunate details.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: That name just sounds like something a Republican would make
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: up for a Brazilian.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a wild name. And Suza is a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: fifty four year old gas station manager. He told police
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: that Bolsonaro's suggestions of election fraud inspired him to carry
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: out the attack.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, at last, he's a front.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, the guy said he said there was fraud. Oh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: this is my dad. We're gonna get him out of here. Like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you're twelve years older than my dad. My dad. Dads
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: are being crazy. So when he first arrived in the capitol,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: he joined an encampment of Bolsonaro supporters who had posted
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: up outside army headquarters in Brazilia. This is a quote.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: My trip to Brazilia was so I could join the
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  Speaker 3: protest in front of the army headquarters and wait for
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: the armed forces to authorize me to take up arms
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and destroy communism. End quote. So does that sound at
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: all familiar to any listeners in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: What's kind of alarming about that quote other than every
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: sure of it is that that's not like completely irrational.
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  Speaker 1: There was a non zero chance of what he just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: described happening right there. Very possibly he could have shown
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: up and the military could have been like, Okay, here's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a gun, let's go do this, right, that could have happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that goes a long
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  Speaker 3: way toward what's getting Trump in trouble for January sixth. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he did say it, like he did say the words
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  Speaker 3: that inspired people to go do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: God, how crazy would it have been this guy showed
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: up and the military was like, here, have a gun.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: It would have been crazy, which is why it's even
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: crazier that it could have happened.
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  Speaker 3: And another alarming detail here, and people at home will
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: need to read the Reuters article we're referencing here to
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: see it a link to it in the show notes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Suza told police he invested nearly one hundred and sixty
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: thousand reals aka thirty thousand, six hundred dollars building up
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: an arsenal of weapons to take on the government with
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: here's a quote. What motivated me to buy the guns
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: were the words of President Bolsnaro, who always emphasized the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: importance of civilians being armed by saying an armed population
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: will never be enslaved.
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  Speaker 1: He's not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: And what's concerning about that is we hear that and
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: we're like, oh, sure, yeah, you encourage people to buy guns.
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  Speaker 3: Brazil doesn't have the history of gun ownership that we have.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Bolsnaro loosened gun laws in Brazil and gun ownership increased
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: like sixfold under him, to the point that there are
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: now something like seven hundred thousand registered gun owners in Brazil.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, and every single one of those people is
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: ostensibly a Bolsnaro supporter who is just waiting for the
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: word to show up with guns. Yeah, Like, did they
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: not bring guns when they stormed to the Congress.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that just seems like the logical thing to do. Yeah, like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: if you've got him shooting, if you got him you
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: know exactly, buls and I was telling you to he
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: loves guns. I've seen him talk about it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: This guy was also planning to construct a bomb using
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: dynamite that he brought to the encampment with him. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: a remote triggering device that someone gave him when he
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: arrived at the encampment. It's like, does Brazil have an FBI,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: So that's probably who gave you that bud.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, was the guy wearing a black ball of clava?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: But he hits the remote?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Did he have to take his badge off? And Suza
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: said he ultimately lost his nerve and handed the bomb
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: off to someone else who planted it at the airport.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: It's like sure, cool, yeah, and it's still there. Yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: they still haven't found it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in a display case.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: The location hidden in a Where's Waldo book?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: So he was arrested shortly thereafter. And I don't know
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: that increasing gun ownership makes me really nervous for Brazil.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one thing that we know about guns
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: is that the more people who own them, the more
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: people who die because of them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Right, And I mean it's not like there's no guns
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: in Brazil. I've seen of God.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is of course an extremely accurate and nonfiction doctrail.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Of documentary I believe Eroea. So all of that happened
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: in the run up to Lula's inauguration. Things didn't get
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: a whole lot tense with his inauguration, and by that
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I mean a man carrying an explosive device and a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: knife was arrested while attempting to enter. As many as
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people had gathered in the area for
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: the ceremony, So if that device went off, that would
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: have been very bad times. And all of that was
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: just in the lead up to what we're talking about next.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: It's just which is the actual attacks on Brazilian Congress
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and the things that have happened. Since here's the thing,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: we could, in theory just make this a longer episode
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and cover all that too, But we're recording this a
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: few weeks ahead of when it's gonna come out, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like there are going to be developments. Seems
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: like the situation is changing day by day, and like
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: one of the developments is we've already mentioned there was
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: like some military involvement or not a lot of military
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: intervention to stop what happened at the Brazilian Congress. So
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Lula fired the head of the Brazilian military, and I'm
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: sure that will have no ramifications or repercussions at all.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah for Lula, who knows, and that happened like a
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: day ago, so I kind of want to keep an
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: eye on this one a little bit before we issue
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: our final report, so to speak.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: The situation is heavily influx.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yip, sure is, and uh, it's fucking crazy.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I always say we'll keep an eye on the story,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: but this one we actually know.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've got we're gonna do a part too soon.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: So until then, I think we have made it to
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the end of this episode. Do we have any final
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: thoughts sure is concerning.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my thoughts, as always in these situations,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: my thoughts and feelings go out to the workers of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Brazil and the people who are actually going to suffer
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: because of these right wing attacks and the responses to them,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and the responses to the responses and everything that's going
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to follow. I mean, it's going to be a terrible
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: time and I feel terrible for the people who have
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to go through that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: It's also such an environmental concern, Yeah, because the the
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Amazon rainforest, sure primarily in Brazil and for now, for now,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that's the thing that's the reason the agriculture sector is
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: so on Bolsonaro's side, is they want to be able
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to develop the Amazon rainforest like he's been pushing.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Look, we're talking about people who are basically the bad
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: guys from the Avatar movies in real life with basically
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: no exaggeration. They just want to fucking get in there where.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: They've got their giant remote controlled bulldozers at the ready,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: They've got their mechsuits ready to go to fucking put
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: down the opposition. They just need the go ahead from
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the from the local government.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're trying to put that Navi Starbucks up in
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: the middle of the rainforest.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, they need their coffee.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: They can put a rainforest cafe, well rains.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: That would be really insulting, Like imagine, imagine.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: What if they just cut down the trees and put
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: a bunch of animatronic animals.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the most depressing rainforest cafe in the world,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the one that was built on top of a rainforest.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Oh god no.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll be getting into the actual Congress attacks
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: and the fallout from those, and the parallels to January
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: sixth and all of that on the next episode. Until then,
• 46:24
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• 46:25
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• 46:45
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• 46:52
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• 46:54
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• 46:58
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• 47:02
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• 47:08
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• 47:10
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• 47:22
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