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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenland live on Sky News Australia. Good evening and
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond filling in for
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Speaker 1: Credlin tonight. He is what's coming up on the program.
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Speaker 1: All eyes were on the presidential debate, which I will
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Speaker 1: say Kamala Harris at least did better than her predecessor,
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Speaker 1: but isn't really saying much. I'll go into all of
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Speaker 1: that shortly. Plus the shocking statistics that show how bad
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Speaker 1: home invasions by young thugs have become in Victoria since
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Speaker 1: Labour came to power. And speaking of the state of
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Speaker 1: things in Victoria, shocking displays today is so called anti war,
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Speaker 1: anti Israel protesters shut down the CBD, even going so
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Speaker 1: far as to fling acid at police horses. The calling
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Speaker 1: is done.
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Speaker 2: That calling for an anti's military weapons.
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Speaker 3: That's happening today, As.
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Speaker 1: If we didn't already know they were clowns, they dress
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Speaker 1: up as them. How good? So who really won the
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Speaker 1: presidential debate today? It's hard to say, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump performed as well as expected. It
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Speaker 1: was typical theatrical Trump, but Kamala Harris was perhaps a
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Speaker 1: little better than expected. She managed to avoid descending into
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Speaker 1: word salads, which we know of her specialty, and for
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Speaker 1: the most part, she managed to avoid going down the
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Speaker 1: rabbit holes in which Trump tried to lead her. But
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Speaker 1: that's because the whole thing was essentially pre prepared. Neither
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Speaker 1: candidate was allowed to take notes in but Harris had
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Speaker 1: clearly rehearsed her lines and she was sticking to them,
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Speaker 1: and it was of course a deliberate ploy. This was
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Speaker 1: the first time Trump and Harris had actually met, and
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Speaker 1: it could will be the only time they face off
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Speaker 1: before the election, so she really had to put on
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Speaker 1: a polished performance, even if it meant that she didn't
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Speaker 1: really answer any questions, and it was obvious from the
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Speaker 1: first question that she was asked about whether the US
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Speaker 1: economy was better off than it was four years ago
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Speaker 1: under Trump. She didn't answer that question. She just talked
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Speaker 1: about how she wants to support the middle class.
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Speaker 4: So I was raised as a middle class kid, and
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Speaker 4: I am actually the only person on this stage who
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Speaker 4: has a plan that is about lifting up the middle
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Speaker 4: class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition,
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Speaker 4: the aspirations, the dreams of the American people, and that
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Speaker 4: is why I imagine and have actually a plan to
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Speaker 4: build what I call an opportunity economy.
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Speaker 1: And so went the rest of the debate. She made
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Speaker 1: the questions fit her answers, and this theme of the
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Speaker 1: middle class was something she came back to a number
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Speaker 1: of times for obvious reasons, including to say that she
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Speaker 1: supported small businesses, bizarrely apparently because she had a quote
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Speaker 1: unquote second mother who owned a small business.
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Speaker 4: My passion, one of them is small businesses. I was
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Speaker 4: actually my mother raised my sister and me, but there
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Speaker 4: was a woman who helped raise us. We call her
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Speaker 4: our second mother. She was a small business owner. I
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Speaker 4: love our small businesses. My plan is to give a
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Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars tax deduction to start up small businesses,
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Speaker 4: knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.
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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that lovely? If she hadn't known a small
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Speaker 1: business owner when she was a kid, maybe she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: care for them at all. I mean, if you're try
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Speaker 1: to make yourself a peer relatable, I suggest you try
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Speaker 1: harder next time. But there were a few memorable moments
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Speaker 1: and lines, all of which came courtesy of Trump.
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Speaker 5: Everything that she believed three years ago and four years
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Speaker 5: ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy now.
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Speaker 5: In fact, I was going to send her a maga hat.
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Speaker 5: She's going to my philosophy. So a lot of towns
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Speaker 5: don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora
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Speaker 5: or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk
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Speaker 5: about it because they're so embarrassed by it.
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Speaker 1: In Springfield, they're.
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Speaker 5: Eating the dogs the people that came in. They're eating
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Speaker 5: the cats, eat they're eating the pets of the people
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Speaker 5: that live there. And this is what's happening in our country.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps Harris is the real winner because she managed to
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Speaker 1: get through the debate without really stumbling, which was something
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Speaker 1: many weren't sure she'd be able to do. She's proven
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Speaker 1: herself able to survive in the rough and tumble of
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Speaker 1: a debate with Trump, and she clearly thinks she did
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Speaker 1: all right, but not quite good enough, because straight afterwards,
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Speaker 1: her campaign chair Jen O'Malley Dillon said, let's do it
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Speaker 1: all again next month. She wrote in a statement, quote
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Speaker 1: under the bright lights, the American people got to see
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Speaker 1: the choice they will face this fall at the ballot
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Speaker 1: box between moving forward with Kamala Harris or going backwards
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Speaker 1: with Trump. That's what they saw tonight and what they
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Speaker 1: should see at a second debate in October. Vice President
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Speaker 1: Harris is ready for a second debate? Is Donald Trump?
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Speaker 1: Them's fighting words? And if they felt Harris had performed
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Speaker 1: really badly and they wouldn't want to go to another debate,
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Speaker 1: But equally, if they thought she performed really well, then
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't need to go to another debate. The concern
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Speaker 1: for the Harris campaign is that this debate was okay,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't really move the needle in terms of
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Speaker 1: motivating people to vote. And let's not beat around the bush.
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Speaker 1: She was given a leg up the moderators. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they may as well have been on the Harris payroll.
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Speaker 1: Trump was repeatedly fact checked by them.
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Speaker 6: You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABCDS did reach out
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Speaker 6: to the city manager there. He told us there had
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Speaker 6: been no credible reports of President Trump. As you know,
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Speaker 6: the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down
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Speaker 6: in this country. But you have said quote you lost
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Speaker 6: by a whisker. That you quote didn't quite make it,
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Speaker 6: that you came up a little bit short. You did
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Speaker 6: bring up something you said she went to negotiate with
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Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?
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Speaker 1: And yet when Harris told clear lies, she was never
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Speaker 1: pulled up or fact checked by the moderators. That was
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Speaker 1: left to Trump himself were a few of his truths.
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in
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Speaker 4: a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on
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Speaker 4: our democracy since the Civil War. What you're going to
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Speaker 4: hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five that the former president intends on implementing
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Speaker 4: if he were elected to gain If Donald Trump were
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Speaker 4: to be re elected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand,
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Speaker 4: in his Project twenty twenty five, there would be a
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Speaker 4: national abortion a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies,
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Speaker 4: your miscarriages. It is well known that he said of
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Speaker 4: Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants
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Speaker 4: and go into Ukraine. It is well known that he
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Speaker 4: said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant. It
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Speaker 4: is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong un.
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Speaker 4: And as of today, there is not one member of
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Speaker 4: the United States military who is an active duty in
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Speaker 4: a combat zone in any war zone around the world
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Speaker 4: the first time this century.
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Speaker 1: Every one of those was wrong. So let me do
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Speaker 1: what the ABC moderators couldn't. Trump did not leave the
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Speaker 1: worst unemployment rate since the Great Depression. It hit fourteen
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Speaker 1: point eight percent in April twenty twenty at the height
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Speaker 1: of COVID restrictions, which was the worst since the Great Depression,
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Speaker 1: but it was down to six point four percent by
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Speaker 1: the time he left office. Real wages, by the way,
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Speaker 1: were up eight point four percent. Project twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Trump, and he has previously
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Speaker 1: publicly distanced himself from it, but Harris linked him to
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Speaker 1: it multiple times, and the moderators said nothing. Trump has
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Speaker 1: never supported a national abortion ban. In fact, he said
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Speaker 1: in April that he would not support national laws and
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Speaker 1: that it should be left to the States. There is
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Speaker 1: no evidence that Trump ever encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: He's repeatedly said it would never have happened on his
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Speaker 1: watch and his first order of business as president would
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Speaker 1: be to end the war. And he never sent love
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Speaker 1: letters to Kim Jong un. He made sarcastic comments at
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Speaker 1: a campaign rally that they quote unquote fell in love
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Speaker 1: after meeting. As for the claim that not one member
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Speaker 1: of the US military is in an active combat zone,
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Speaker 1: combat zones aren't just places where you're currently waging war.
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Speaker 1: The US has thousands of troops stationed in the Middle East,
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Speaker 1: where there is very much conflict going on, and US
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Speaker 1: bases have been repeatedly attacked, including one in Jordan where
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Speaker 1: three troops died and more than thirty were injured in January.
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Speaker 1: But she wasn't pulled up once. Harris and much of
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Speaker 1: the media will claim that she won today, But much
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Speaker 1: like her twenty six minute CNN interview was on friendly territory,
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Speaker 1: she might want to be careful what she wishes for
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Speaker 1: asking for another debate because it might not be so
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Speaker 1: cruisy next time and she won't be able to roll
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Speaker 1: out the same rehearsed lines a second time round. But
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Speaker 1: my favorite moment of all today was when Trump gave
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Speaker 1: her a dose of her own medicine.
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Speaker 5: She was big on to fund the police in Minnesota.
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Speaker 5: She went out, I'm talking now, if you don't mind, please,
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Speaker 5: does that sound familiar?
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Speaker 1: Well, Victoria's violent tobacco wars look like they could be
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Speaker 1: about to expand into South Australia, with the Herald Sun
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Speaker 1: reporting today that Adelaide tobacconists have been receiving threatening messages
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Speaker 1: from Melbourne gang lords. Now, for those who aren't aware
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Speaker 1: of what's been going on, about one hundred tobacconists and
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Speaker 1: convenience stores have been fire bombed in Victoria since March
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Speaker 1: last year because of a growing war between two rival
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Speaker 1: gangs who want to control the trade of illicit tobacco.
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Speaker 1: Illegal to tobaco products like foreign cigarettes and adjacent things
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Speaker 1: like vapes have become a huge market for organized crime
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Speaker 1: because the ever rising tobacco excise levied by the federal
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Speaker 1: government went up again by six point eight percent at
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Speaker 1: the start of the month, has made a packet of
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Speaker 1: smoke so expensive that people are looking for alternatives, and
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Speaker 1: so organized crime gangs are importing billions and billions of
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Speaker 1: illegal cigarettes each year, which is now one of their
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Speaker 1: biggest money spinners. Now, I've been over these numbers before,
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Speaker 1: but in the US, a packet of smokes costs about
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Speaker 1: thirteen Australian dollars on average, and despite the huge difference
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Speaker 1: in cost here the daily smoking rates for Australia and
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Speaker 1: the US in twenty twenty one, which is the last
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Speaker 1: year for which we have comparable statistics, we're ten point
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Speaker 1: one percent and eleven point five percent of adults, respectively.
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Speaker 1: So the cost the cost sorry, clearly doesn't stop people smoking,
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Speaker 1: but it does push them to illegal cigarettes. The total
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Speaker 1: tobacco market including a legal products trunk by thirty four
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Speaker 1: percent between twenty fifteen sixteen and twenty twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: despite the tax take increasing by forty three point seven percent.
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Speaker 1: It may have delivered billions in extra tax dollars to
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Speaker 1: the federal government, but the peak has been reached and
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Speaker 1: the federal budget now forecasts the tobacco excise to decrease
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Speaker 1: the take, that is, to decrease in the coming years
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Speaker 1: while the illegal market grows. Criminologist doctor James Martin has
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Speaker 1: previously told me on air that illegal cigarettes now make
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Speaker 1: up nearly a third of the entire tobacco market in Australia,
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Speaker 1: so no wonder these Melbourne gangs now want to take
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Speaker 1: over the South Australian market. One of the illegal tobacco
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Speaker 1: gang lords, Kazem Hammad, has reportedly sent messages to South
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Speaker 1: Australian tobacconists. Reading quote, so I thought, with my community
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Speaker 1: backing me up, I can run the commission there. So
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Speaker 1: I like to ask for every shop fifteen hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: a month. If you don't like it, please get off
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Speaker 1: the group chat. When I call you outside this group chat,
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Speaker 1: you be paying five k a month and it goes
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Speaker 1: up every six months. And if you don't pay, you
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Speaker 1: see your shop on the news one day. He means,
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Speaker 1: you see it's set a light and his rivals are
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Speaker 1: threatening to counterattack. Businesses that pay up, think smart and hard.
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Speaker 1: Any dogs who want to pay the kaz tax in
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Speaker 1: essay enjoy the news clips reads a message they've been
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Speaker 1: sending around Adelaide, and don't think this will just be Adelaide.
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Speaker 1: It will be every capital city, every state in the country.
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Speaker 1: The federal government, with its ridiculously high tobacco excise is
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Speaker 1: directly helping to fund organize crime and all the violence
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Speaker 1: that comes with it. The Albaneze government has encouraged even
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Speaker 1: created violent gang crime in Victoria and now it looks
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Speaker 1: set to spread across the country. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: it looks like the excise could be creating a whole
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Speaker 1: new generation of smokers because a new start from the
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Speaker 1: Cancer Council of New South Wales and the University of
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Speaker 1: Sydney has found the teens who vape are five times
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Speaker 1: more likely to end up as smokers and twelve year
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Speaker 1: olds who vape are twenty nine times more likely to smoke.
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Speaker 1: And why are kids able to get their hands on
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Speaker 1: vapes that then turn them into smokers. Because the ridiculous
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Speaker 1: cost of cigarettes and a national ban on vapes created
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Speaker 1: an unregulated criminal market for vapes that allows kids to
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Speaker 1: walk into cowboy convenience stores controlled by organized crime gangs
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Speaker 1: and buy them. What an excellent job by the federal government.
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Speaker 1: They got greedy with the tobacco tacks and in the
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Speaker 1: process created a booming market for crime gangs that is
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Speaker 1: only growing bigger than drugs. Now would you believe it?
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Speaker 1: And a bunch of new nicotine addicts. Let's head to
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Speaker 1: Camberra now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News political
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Speaker 1: reporter Camredden.
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Speaker 7: Good Evening, the Coalition has accused the GUVN of bad
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Speaker 7: mouthing the Reserve Bank governor behind her back.
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Speaker 8: A senior Labour figure described RBA Governor Michelle Bullok as
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Speaker 8: a nutter and.
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Speaker 5: The RBA in general as barbarians and weirdos.
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Speaker 9: I completely disagree with those comments.
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Speaker 7: Character assessments aside. The Reserve Bank concedes it is puzzled
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Speaker 7: as to why unemployment hasn't fallen further at a time
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Speaker 7: of slow economic growth. The limited signs of further easing
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Speaker 7: in the latest obscenations for these variables at a time
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Speaker 7: when economic growth has continued to slow is somewhat surprising.
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Speaker 1: It's a puzzle.
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Speaker 7: Parents would be able to cash out thousands of dollars
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Speaker 7: under a coalition plan for superannuation on paid parental leave
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Speaker 7: instead of receiving straight superannuation on government paid PPL. The
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Speaker 7: Coalition is proposing a choice. It wants new parents to
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Speaker 7: choose between having super paid as normal, getting an additional
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Speaker 7: two weeks leave, or a lump sum payment of nearly
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Speaker 7: three thousand dollars.
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Speaker 10: Is the opposition's latest attack superanuation.
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Speaker 7: The Opposition is calling for debate on other legislation to
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Speaker 7: be put on hold if it helps fast track the
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Speaker 7: government's response to a defense suicide Royal Commission.
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Speaker 11: You can park ledge and bring us back to Camber
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Speaker 11: and say okay for the next few days, we're going
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Speaker 11: to get this done.
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Speaker 7: Let's go families of veterans who've taken their own lives
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Speaker 7: gather on the lawns of Parliament to demand an urgent
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Speaker 7: government intervention.
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Speaker 3: I want some.
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Speaker 2: Action shown by the end of the week and come
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Speaker 2: and tell us something.
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Speaker 7: Some making their pain known directly.
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's time?
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Speaker 2: And I told you it was ogent.
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Speaker 1: I told you and enjoyed.
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Speaker 3: You get.
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Speaker 7: Cameron Reddin, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 1: God, you really feel for them, don't you. I hope
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Speaker 1: finally something is done. Well. For more on today's big stories,
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Speaker 1: I'm joined on the desk tonight by new senior reporter
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Speaker 1: Caroline Marcus and senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center,
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Speaker 1: Nick Cata. Welcome to you both. Good to have you
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Speaker 1: here now. Caroline, you had an exclusive story today about
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Speaker 1: a staff member at the University of Sydney who was
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Speaker 1: previously responsible for handling complaints from Jewish students on campus.
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Speaker 1: She's now been sidelined from the role. Left was found
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Speaker 1: she'd posted Auntie Israel content online.
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Speaker 2: I know, lo and behold who would have thought it? Now?
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Speaker 8: What's happened, Caleb, is that the University of Sydney has
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Speaker 8: come under a lot of criticism for how it's handled.
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Speaker 8: It's the pro Palestine encampment that was on campus for
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Speaker 8: eight weeks, as well as all the protest activity that
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Speaker 8: surrounded that both before and after the encampment, and a
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Speaker 8: number of Jewish staff and students complained to the university
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Speaker 8: about anti semitism and about offensive language and messages graffiti
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Speaker 8: being posted around the campus, and their complaints went to
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Speaker 8: the staff member, Sophie Carrobbas. Now, this staff unit manager
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Speaker 8: was later exposed for actually posting anti Israel content online, calling.
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Speaker 2: What Israel the war of Israel's.
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Speaker 8: Waging in Gaza a genocide, saying that Israeli authorities were
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Speaker 8: blocking health access for Palestinians in the West Bank, and
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Speaker 8: calling for a complete arms embargo.
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Speaker 2: She's certainly not neutral on the conflict. In fact, she
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Speaker 2: resorts to quite extreme positions, and yet she was put in.
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Speaker 8: Charge of these really serious complaints about anti Semitism on campus. Now,
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Speaker 8: when I went to the university, they confirmed that they
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Speaker 8: had removed her since finding out about this activity, since
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Speaker 8: it was concerns were raised about the activity rather and
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Speaker 8: they said that they had done this out of an
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Speaker 8: abundance of any perception of a potential conflict of interest.
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Speaker 8: But this woman had written to complaints dismissing their complaints,
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Speaker 8: and at least one case had denied that the word
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Speaker 8: into Farda, which was being chanted at these protests regularly,
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Speaker 8: was inherently violent and was not hate speech. And that's
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Speaker 8: despite most of us and most viewers, I'm sure appreciating
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Speaker 8: that when it comes to what's happening in the Middle East,
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Speaker 8: the term into.
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Speaker 1: Farta, the Prime Minister says it, well, it's.
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Speaker 2: Most everyone knows pretty much.
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Speaker 8: It refers to the wave of terror attacks on Israel
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Speaker 8: that date back to the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 2: But according to miss Carrothers, it is fine.
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Speaker 1: Well, if she can adjudicate on those complaints, I may
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Speaker 1: as well be running Akma and deciding about complaints about Sky.
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Speaker 1: You speaking of sky and use our political leader to
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Speaker 1: Andrew Klnel. Today broke the story that the Federal government
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Speaker 1: is set to introduce you hate speech, the hate Speech
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Speaker 1: Legislation Sorry to classify matters of serious vilification as a
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Speaker 1: criminal offense. The laws are set to be introduced to
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Speaker 1: Parliament tomorrow. They'll reportedly target derogatory remarks based on gender, sexuality, race, disability,
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Speaker 1: and religion. And it will also include doxing, which is
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Speaker 1: basically with private information is shared publicly with malicious intent,
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Speaker 1: people's addresses and this kind of thing. Nick, do you
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Speaker 1: think there's an issue with potentially free speech here lumping
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Speaker 1: all these different issues into the idea of vilification.
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Speaker 3: My word, I do.
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Speaker 12: This really really frightens me because you know what this
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Speaker 12: leads to, and the fact that it's being portrayed as
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Speaker 12: something to deal with antisemitism. That worries me even more
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Speaker 12: because they'll always put something like that forward. But we
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Speaker 12: know exactly how this will be used. I mean, Caroline's
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Speaker 12: just outlined how the current laws and the current rules
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Speaker 12: are not being applied for specific groups, specifically in this
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Speaker 12: case the pallace. Every state in the country has strong
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Speaker 12: laws against offensive state that they can use if they wish.
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Speaker 12: You know where this is heading. You've seen what's happened
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Speaker 12: in Britain recently with people getting arrested regularly now regularly
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Speaker 12: for what they're posting on Facebook. I just think that
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Speaker 12: this is a very very dangerous first step towards laws
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Speaker 12: that will be used for completely the wrong purpose.
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Speaker 1: Correct, And we saw in Scotland. They set up a
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Speaker 1: public hotline for people to make complaints about vilification and
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Speaker 1: most of the complaints were about the first minister complaining
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Speaker 1: that people were white. If we get to that stage here,
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Speaker 1: I hope we did the same.
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Speaker 8: Although if they do separate the laws and some of
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Speaker 8: them hate speech legislation, some of it is privacy laws,
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Speaker 8: which is where I understand.
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Speaker 2: The dosing orgislation will come in. I think that could
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Speaker 2: be good.
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Speaker 8: I don't think anyone, despite what side of politics you
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Speaker 8: might sit on, would agree.
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Speaker 1: That it is good.
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Speaker 8: It is good for a society to indulge people who
20:56
Speaker 8: release the private details.
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Speaker 1: Sure, that's quite stardilification on the.
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Speaker 2: Few separate things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, quite true. Now it's been revealed today that six
21:06
Speaker 1: current and former parliamentarians are under investigation by the National
21:10
Speaker 1: Anti Corruption Commission over their conduct. Now, at this stage,
21:14
Speaker 1: the identities of those current and former MPs have not
21:17
Speaker 1: been revealed. Is it a bit concerning though, that at
21:20
Speaker 1: least six we know of at the moment her under investigation? Caraline?
21:23
Speaker 8: Of course, any allegation that MPs could be corrupt is
21:27
Speaker 8: potentially concerning. We don't know who these people are as yet.
21:31
Speaker 8: The Anti Corruption Watchdog hasn't said that. However, we do
21:36
Speaker 8: know that there have been some concerning cases that people
21:40
Speaker 8: have said that they wanted to refer to the NACC,
21:45
Speaker 8: and that includes, for example, and again I don't know
21:48
Speaker 8: if this is what this refers to the compensation payout
21:51
Speaker 8: that Brindan Higgins received from the Commonwealth. Linda Reynolds, her
21:55
Speaker 8: former employer, then Defense Minister, had said that she wanted
21:59
Speaker 8: a further and she was going to refer that.
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Speaker 2: To the NACC.
22:04
Speaker 8: Now, I think a lot of people if it turns
22:06
Speaker 8: out that that is what they're in fact investigating, and
22:09
Speaker 8: not only is it six MP's but apparently three staffers
22:12
Speaker 8: as well, then I think a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Taxpayers may welcome that.
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Speaker 8: That there is going to be an investigation into that.
22:17
Speaker 8: And I can't imagine what other matters there would be.
22:20
Speaker 8: So while it's concerning, if there is serious corruption that
22:23
Speaker 8: involves millions of taxpayer money, and in that case the
22:26
Speaker 8: Higgins payout, in which the judge, a federal court judge,
22:31
Speaker 8: found there was not a skeeric of evidence for a
22:33
Speaker 8: political cover up or conspiracy, then I think it would
22:37
Speaker 8: be welcome.
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Speaker 1: And at least this knack as it's called at the
22:40
Speaker 1: federal level. Isn't naming these people before it's made any
22:43
Speaker 1: judgment about what they may or may not have done,
22:45
Speaker 1: unlike the new South Wales eyekeak, which sort of drags
22:48
Speaker 1: you through the mud before they've made any decision at all. Now,
22:50
Speaker 1: if you're one of the one point two million Australians
22:52
Speaker 1: who visit the UK each year, you might want to
22:54
Speaker 1: pay attention to this. Currently, if you rock up to
22:57
Speaker 1: the UK from Australia, you basically just flash ship passport
23:01
Speaker 1: and they wave you through because citizens don't need a
23:03
Speaker 1: visa for holidays. But from January you'll need to register
23:07
Speaker 1: via the Electronic Travel Authorization Scheme and they're going to
23:11
Speaker 1: charge you twenty dollars for the privilege of doing so.
23:14
Speaker 1: They're using us as a money making machine, Nick, I.
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Speaker 12: Think they could charge a lot more than that, actually
23:20
Speaker 12: probably Look, I think I think it is a long
23:23
Speaker 12: overdue move. I mean it's great at the moment for Australians.
23:27
Speaker 12: Right ever since they left the EU, we've been able
23:29
Speaker 12: to walk in with the Brits in the fast queue,
23:32
Speaker 12: which is great. They scan your passport, they know who
23:34
Speaker 12: you are. But this extra level is important but what
23:37
Speaker 12: I think is happening is that the staring government is
23:40
Speaker 12: doing this to draw attention from what is the real
23:42
Speaker 12: immigration problem at the moment, which is people coming illegally
23:46
Speaker 12: in small boats forty thousand in the last year coming across.
23:50
Speaker 12: You know, I don't know what's happen with the British Navy.
23:53
Speaker 12: By the way, they may keep about the Spanish Armada.
23:55
Speaker 1: Then you did not have in operations sovereign borders.
23:57
Speaker 12: Yeah, but anyway, that's that's the bit of a gration
24:00
Speaker 12: which I'd be looking to tighten up right away, not
24:02
Speaker 12: keeping Australians out.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Nick, Caroline, thank you so much for your time tonight.
24:06
Speaker 1: Now to these scenes outside the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition
24:10
Speaker 1: Center today, it was an absolute disgrace. Thousands of protesters,
24:15
Speaker 1: not even protests, thugs more like it, rallying against the
24:19
Speaker 1: Landforces Defense Expo that was being held inside. Now, these
24:23
Speaker 1: idiots not only caused major disruption to traffic around the venue,
24:27
Speaker 1: they attacked police, including with acid and mob journalists covering
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Speaker 1: the event.
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Speaker 6: The calling is done that calling for an anti's military weapons.
24:43
Speaker 5: That's what is happening today, just being.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and we might just they're moving and police are
24:53
Speaker 8: obviously trying to keep ahead of them, ahead of ahead
24:56
Speaker 8: of their next move.
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Speaker 12: You can see it here here you go.
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Speaker 13: They're quite literally throwing things at the police as they're
25:06
Speaker 13: trying to do their job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really difficult to see. They threw water
25:12
Speaker 1: bottles of police horses, one of which actually hit a
25:15
Speaker 1: horse in the head. I mean, can you imagine trying
25:18
Speaker 1: to claim that you have the moral high ground when
25:21
Speaker 1: you're attacking beautiful animals like that? And this tells you
25:24
Speaker 1: just how mature these people are. They threw horsepoo and
25:29
Speaker 1: tomatoes at police. Honestly, for more on this, let's bring
25:33
Speaker 1: in Victoria's shadow Police Minister, Brad Batten. Brad, thank you
25:37
Speaker 1: for your time. I mean, look, it's no point even
25:41
Speaker 1: asking the question. I know what you're going to say,
25:42
Speaker 1: but for Heaven's sake, what do you make of this
25:45
Speaker 1: thuggish behavior from these activists?
25:48
Speaker 13: Yeah, thank you very much for having his on calib
25:50
Speaker 13: and it's probably unfortunate circumstances. These behavior is absolutely atrocious,
25:55
Speaker 13: not welcome on Victoria streets. And I'm really getting sick
25:57
Speaker 13: of people saying peaceful protests and these people walked into
26:01
Speaker 13: town prepared for the violence that was actually instigated on
26:04
Speaker 13: Victoria police. We knew what was going to happen, We
26:07
Speaker 13: predicted it this morning. They brought in bolts, padlocks, some
26:10
Speaker 13: of them have allegedly brought in acid. These are the
26:12
Speaker 13: sort of things that you can't imagine on the streets
26:15
Speaker 13: where Victoria Police are just going about their job.
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Speaker 1: It is so.
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Speaker 13: Important that we as a parliament, as members of Parliament
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Speaker 13: and leaders in our community come out and call it
26:23
Speaker 13: out for what it is. This is a disgrace on
26:26
Speaker 13: the streets in Victoria. And today my thoughts are with
26:29
Speaker 13: every Victoria Police officer who was on the front line.
26:32
Speaker 13: I know how scary it can be when you're on
26:34
Speaker 13: the front line and things don't go right. And today
26:36
Speaker 13: we need to back them up because they are amazing
26:38
Speaker 13: people and it's important we get that message out there.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do they not get the irony that they're
26:43
Speaker 1: there fighting against an event which is a weapons expo,
26:48
Speaker 1: a defense weapons expo, right, and generally you need defense
26:51
Speaker 1: weapons to combat violence, supposedly anti war, anti violence, and
26:57
Speaker 1: yet they're out the front being violent themselves. They wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have two brain cells to rub together, these people, and
27:05
Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 3: That's actually what you're saying. This is the biggest problem.
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Speaker 13: They're coming in with violence in melbourn when they're supposed
27:10
Speaker 13: to be protesting against violence.
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Speaker 3: We've seen protests in Melbourne for.
27:14
Speaker 13: Centuries, so the entire time that I know I've been
27:16
Speaker 13: alive and coming into Melbourne the last forty years, fifty years,
27:19
Speaker 13: we've seen protests in Melbourne that most are peaceful, but
27:22
Speaker 13: every so often g twenty this is another example. You
27:25
Speaker 13: get a group they've got no interest in being peaceful
27:28
Speaker 13: when they come into town.
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Speaker 3: They just want to disrupt.
27:31
Speaker 13: They want to make sure they cause as much pain
27:33
Speaker 13: and conflict as they can so they can get their
27:36
Speaker 13: message out there.
27:37
Speaker 3: Which is the wrong message altogether.
27:38
Speaker 13: But the reality is Victorians who are walking down the street,
27:42
Speaker 13: police who are walking and doing their job to.
27:45
Speaker 3: Protect us shouldn't be put at risk because.
27:47
Speaker 13: These thugs, these idiots who come into town that think
27:50
Speaker 13: they can do whatever they want, can know they can
27:53
Speaker 13: get away with it. And that's the biggest problem we
27:55
Speaker 13: have here in our state. They'll get away with a
27:56
Speaker 13: lot of this because the reality is the justice system
27:59
Speaker 13: won't do anything of but.
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Speaker 1: It it and eighteen hundred coppers they've had to bus
28:03
Speaker 1: into combat this a minute. That is an extraordinary number.
28:08
Speaker 13: It's massive, and we talk about where are they coming from,
28:10
Speaker 13: So they're coming from regional towns.
28:12
Speaker 3: They're coming from growth corridors.
28:13
Speaker 13: So we've got less police available to respond to our
28:16
Speaker 13: normal jobs out in Victorian streets. This is a big
28:18
Speaker 13: problem that we have across the whole state. It's really
28:20
Speaker 13: important that the government get on top of this as well.
28:23
Speaker 3: We need the police numbers there. We've already got one
28:25
Speaker 3: thousand short.
28:26
Speaker 13: So we need to make sure that our police are
28:28
Speaker 13: out there combating crime where they can, and these thugs
28:31
Speaker 13: take them away from that from keeping our community safe.
28:34
Speaker 1: Now you've managed to obtain new data from the Crime
28:36
Speaker 1: Statistics Agency that reveals just how bad youth crime is
28:40
Speaker 1: in Victoria. I mean, I think we all knew it
28:41
Speaker 1: was bad, but among these stats, teen criminals are breaking
28:45
Speaker 1: into ten times more homes than when Labour came to
28:49
Speaker 1: power under Daniel Andrews, and the number of aggravated home
28:52
Speaker 1: burglaries committed by offenders aged ten to seventeen has surged
28:56
Speaker 1: by almost a thousand percent. I mean, I said eighteen
29:01
Speaker 1: hundred coppers being brought in was an extraordinary number. These
29:04
Speaker 1: numbers are even more extraordinary.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Kayla, this is actually one that when I originally
29:09
Speaker 13: had the document given to me and I spoke about
29:11
Speaker 13: it with one of my staff, I sent him away
29:13
Speaker 13: to redo the maths, and then when I gave it
29:15
Speaker 13: to a journalist, he took it to his editor, who
29:17
Speaker 13: sent it back and said, can you.
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Speaker 3: Do the maths again? It's unbelievable that we literally have.
29:22
Speaker 13: We've gone from one aggravated burglary from young offenders every
29:26
Speaker 13: three days to three point four a day here in Victoria.
29:30
Speaker 13: And the reality is why we've got less money into
29:32
Speaker 13: crime prevention. We've got less police, we've got forty three
29:35
Speaker 13: stations closed, and we've cut the money for crime prevention.
29:39
Speaker 13: Until we fix those problems, this is going to get
29:41
Speaker 13: worse and Victorians are going to suffer.
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Speaker 1: No, it's just a disgrace. And I can just imagine Sam,
29:46
Speaker 1: we're the editor of the Herald Son sending those numbers
29:48
Speaker 1: back to check them again. I worked through months upon
29:51
Speaker 1: a time at the Tarzan Adelaide and the Herald Son
29:53
Speaker 1: in Melbourne. He's a good fella. If you're watching tonight today,
29:56
Speaker 1: Sam Brad Baton, thank you so much for your time.
29:58
Speaker 1: Well after the break, Greg share and joins me to
30:01
Speaker 1: get through plenty of the presidential debate. Did either candidate
30:05
Speaker 1: really land and knockout blow? Will any voters be swung?
30:08
Speaker 1: I'm not sure? Plus what are the broader implications for
30:11
Speaker 1: us here in Australia? All that more after the break,
30:18
Speaker 1: welcome back. Still to come the insane climate demands from
30:21
Speaker 1: the Tiffany Teals, who, if the polls to be believed,
30:24
Speaker 1: could be the kingmakers in the case of a hung parliament.
30:26
Speaker 1: But first there's plenty to get through from the presidential debate.
30:29
Speaker 1: So joining me now for his analysis is The Australian's
30:32
Speaker 1: Foreign It Air Greg Sheridan. Greg, welcome. We'll get into
30:36
Speaker 1: the specifics shortly, but what were your key takeaways from
30:39
Speaker 1: the debate?
30:42
Speaker 9: Well, great to be with you. Look, I thought it
30:45
Speaker 9: was a pretty low quality draw, functional draw. I think
30:52
Speaker 9: both candidates were successful in communicating to their base. So
30:57
Speaker 9: if you care about illegal immigration, Ina and the Biden record,
31:01
Speaker 9: you're going to vote for Trump. If you care about abortion,
31:04
Speaker 9: protecting the Affordable Healthcare Act and think Trump is just
31:08
Speaker 9: an odious person, you're going to vote for Harris. I
31:11
Speaker 9: don't think either of them was particularly good at appealing
31:13
Speaker 9: too independent voters. I may be the only commentator in
31:17
Speaker 9: the world who had this opinion, but I actually thought
31:20
Speaker 9: Trump slightly outpointed Harris on the debate. But you know,
31:26
Speaker 9: I'm very used to Trump's weirdness. But Harris also told
31:30
Speaker 9: lots and lots of lies. So I think it's probably
31:33
Speaker 9: a drawer. I doubt it'll move many votes.
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Speaker 1: Really well, I think you know, Trump did what Trump?
31:38
Speaker 1: Does you expect that of Trump? You got that from Trump,
31:41
Speaker 1: I mean, he wouldn't expect anything else. Perhaps the reason,
31:44
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of the media in the
31:46
Speaker 1: US runs interference for Harris. Of course they're going to
31:48
Speaker 1: say she won. She perhaps won, as I said earlier,
31:51
Speaker 1: on the basis that she didn't go down the word
31:53
Speaker 1: salad road. She actually sounded a bit composed. But as
31:57
Speaker 1: you say, she lied a lot, and the modern at
32:00
Speaker 1: the ABC in the US did not pull her up
32:03
Speaker 1: on it once, despite continually pulling up Tramp.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so that makes a big difference. Moderators who are
32:11
Speaker 9: biased can make one party out to look like the
32:14
Speaker 9: villain and the other party out to look like the saint.
32:17
Speaker 9: So when Trump said something truly weird, like the immigrants
32:21
Speaker 9: are reading the cats and dogs of people in Springfield, Ohio.
32:24
Speaker 9: Truly weird thing to say. The moderators made a big
32:26
Speaker 9: song and dance about a contradicted in fact checking, fair
32:29
Speaker 9: enough in a way, but they didn't do the same
32:31
Speaker 9: for Harris. Harris said all kinds of weird and untrue things,
32:35
Speaker 9: and at no point so she said, no, no American
32:39
Speaker 9: is in combat anywhere in the world. Well, three Americans
32:41
Speaker 9: were just killed an attack on their base in Jordan.
32:44
Speaker 9: You know, Americans are fighting the biggest naval battle, they
32:46
Speaker 9: say since World War Two in the Red Sea. There
32:49
Speaker 9: are thousand Americans in Iraq and a similar number in
32:52
Speaker 9: Syria and so on. And they could easily have pulled
32:56
Speaker 9: up Harris in the same way, but they didn't. So
33:00
Speaker 9: that's what Trump has to deal with all the time.
33:03
Speaker 9: I've got no sort of you know, I'm I don't
33:05
Speaker 9: want to bleed any tears of sympathy for Trump or anything.
33:08
Speaker 9: He's a bad, bad boy and he deserves whatever he gets.
33:11
Speaker 9: But really, the only reason people think Harris was such
33:16
Speaker 9: a triumph is because the expectations around her were so low,
33:21
Speaker 9: so she can stand up for an hour and a
33:22
Speaker 9: half and actually speak coherently. Yip ee, well, what a
33:26
Speaker 9: weird moment. We've got to that. That's the cheap qualification
33:29
Speaker 9: we're seeking the US president.
33:31
Speaker 1: I know it is strange, isn't it. And you know
33:34
Speaker 1: she didn't speak coherently, but it's because she was basically
33:38
Speaker 1: parroting the lines that she has been learning and rehearsing
33:42
Speaker 1: for the last week, where she's been holed up in
33:44
Speaker 1: this hotel room with the stage lights on her with
33:47
Speaker 1: a blow pretending to be Donald Trump that she's been
33:50
Speaker 1: debating against. And so she had the lines ready to
33:53
Speaker 1: go and basically just tried to make the questions fit
33:57
Speaker 1: whatever answer she wanted to give. All good and well
34:00
Speaker 1: when you're at your first debate, but if you have
34:03
Speaker 1: another debate or you're actually in a situation where you
34:06
Speaker 1: don't know what questions are coming, I don't think she
34:08
Speaker 1: performs as well.
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Speaker 9: No, well, generally, her record in sit down interviews has
34:16
Speaker 9: been pretty terrible. I mean, she gave an awful interview
34:19
Speaker 9: early on in the Biden presidency where she couldn't explain why,
34:24
Speaker 9: as the member of the administration given responsibility for reducing
34:27
Speaker 9: illegal immigration, she hadn't even visited the hotspots on the border,
34:32
Speaker 9: and it was just a train wreck of an interview,
34:34
Speaker 9: and she virtually went into hiding ever since. And even
34:37
Speaker 9: the CNN interview she did recently, seventeen minutes of the
34:40
Speaker 9: most softball questioning you could ever imagine was her answers
34:45
Speaker 9: were vacuous and meandering. But there's no doubt she's a
34:48
Speaker 9: normally intelligent person. I mean, you don't get to run
34:51
Speaker 9: for the US presidency unless you're pretty smart. But we
34:57
Speaker 9: are just setting the bar so low for everyone, So
35:00
Speaker 9: she's not in manifest cognitive decline like Biden. So that
35:05
Speaker 9: makes her a combination of Cicero, Klauswitz and Metmech or something.
35:09
Speaker 9: It's just preposterous. I mean, she gave no policy substance.
35:14
Speaker 9: She also said, here's something that no one's noticed.
35:16
Speaker 1: She said.
35:17
Speaker 9: Not only did she say, Tim Watson and I are
35:19
Speaker 9: gun owners, so we're not going to take the guns
35:21
Speaker 9: off anybody. She boasted that under the Biden administration, America
35:24
Speaker 9: had produced more oil than ever in its history and
35:27
Speaker 9: more gas than ever in ancestry. But five minutes ago
35:30
Speaker 9: she was all for the Green New Deal and net
35:32
Speaker 9: zero by tomorrow and phasing out fossil fuels and.
35:36
Speaker 1: All the rest of it.
35:37
Speaker 9: And this is another thing that the moderators didn't follow
35:40
Speaker 9: up on at all. Now she's a proud gun owner
35:42
Speaker 9: who wants more gas and more oil produced in the
35:45
Speaker 9: US than ever before. And this kind of complete reversal
35:49
Speaker 9: of identity sort of passes, you know, without comment that
35:53
Speaker 9: everybody says, well, well done, Kamala, you're a genius.
35:57
Speaker 1: And now she wants another debate. I suspect because you know,
36:00
Speaker 1: nothing really changed today. They still have to target those
36:02
Speaker 1: independent voters. And of course afterwards, Taylor Swift endorsedir what
36:06
Speaker 1: an endorsement, Greg Pleasure is always thank you so much
36:09
Speaker 1: for your time. After the break the insane emissions target
36:12
Speaker 1: the teals would like to see labor adopt plus a
36:14
Speaker 1: bit later on, we'll get into plenty of words. Tonight
36:17
Speaker 1: is always on a Wednesday with Kel Richards welcome back
36:24
Speaker 1: still to come as always on a Wednesday, of course
36:26
Speaker 1: is Kel Richards now Independent New South Wales IMP Alex
36:29
Speaker 1: Greenwich today won his defamation case against fellow independent formerly
36:34
Speaker 1: One Nation in p Mark Latham over a tweet in
36:37
Speaker 1: which he graphically described Greenwich engaging in gay sex Greenwich
36:41
Speaker 1: of course being a gay man. Well, he was awarded
36:45
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand dollars in damages for the
36:47
Speaker 1: tweet on the basis that it implied that he quote
36:51
Speaker 1: unquote engages in disgusting sexual activities. Now, I'm not going
36:56
Speaker 1: to read the tweet to you. It's not really appropriate
36:58
Speaker 1: for television at six pm. But graphic is all it
37:02
Speaker 1: really was. It was vulgar, it was unnecessary, it was
37:06
Speaker 1: unbecoming of a sitting politician, but it was not, in
37:09
Speaker 1: my view, to fametry. Mister Greenwich said in a statement
37:13
Speaker 1: that after mister Latham's tweet, quote my life changed forever.
37:18
Speaker 1: He said it exposed him to quote unquote hatred, contempt,
37:22
Speaker 1: and ridicule. Judge David O'Callahan said in his judgment that
37:25
Speaker 1: Greenwich suffered loss of standing because of the tweet, and
37:29
Speaker 1: that he experienced significant subjective hurt to feelings. I mean, please,
37:36
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it since last year, and I
37:38
Speaker 1: suspect most people have it. It didn't cost him his
37:41
Speaker 1: job as a politician, so I'm not sure what standing
37:44
Speaker 1: he lost. And as for hurt feelings and hatred and
37:48
Speaker 1: contempt and ridicule, well, I must be do millions of
37:51
Speaker 1: dollars because I face that in public life every day,
37:54
Speaker 1: as do most politicians. Defamation law in this country is
37:58
Speaker 1: nearly always weighted in favor of the complainant. You might
38:03
Speaker 1: like something that someone says about you, it might be
38:06
Speaker 1: completely disgusting and repugnant, but unless it's designed to smear
38:10
Speaker 1: and specifically destroy your reputation, then you shouldn't be entitled
38:15
Speaker 1: to damages as far as I'm concerned. Let's bring in
38:17
Speaker 1: the panel Liberal Senator Alex Antik and shadow Environment Minister
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Dunham. Alex, I just don't see how this is defamation. Okay,
38:28
Speaker 1: it was a disgusting tweet, but why does that then
38:31
Speaker 1: mean you deserve one hundred and forty thousand dollars in compensation?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, Caleb, I haven't read the judgment. I haven't
38:38
Speaker 11: seen it in great detail other than just reading the headlines.
38:41
Speaker 11: But look, this is the nature of deformation law in
38:43
Speaker 11: this In this country, most states have very similar, very
38:46
Speaker 11: uniform rules about what the test is. Most of them
38:51
Speaker 11: carry now serious harm provisions which require you to get
38:53
Speaker 11: over that threshold. So the judge has obviously taken that
38:56
Speaker 11: view in this case. But look, you know, I think
39:00
Speaker 11: you know, in modern democracies, know we do have to
39:02
Speaker 11: be a bit robust. But of course there are lines
39:05
Speaker 11: and the law sets those thresholds, and that's the way
39:09
Speaker 11: the law works.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, now the Teals, led by Zally Stegel, are pushing
39:13
Speaker 1: for the government to introduce a seventy five percent emissions
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Speaker 1: reduction target by twenty thirty five by February next year.
39:20
Speaker 1: And of course this comes after reports that the Prime
39:23
Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanesi may delay releasing a twenty thirty five
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Speaker 1: target until after the government's February deadline. Mistegel says that
39:31
Speaker 1: Australia must go from being a laggard to a climate
39:34
Speaker 1: leader in climate action and John, seriously, can you imagine
39:39
Speaker 1: seventy five percent? It would bring this country to its knees.
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Speaker 14: Well, the idea of living in a cave might be
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Speaker 14: appealing to some, but frankly, that is not something I
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Speaker 14: think that any leader in.
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Speaker 3: Our community should be pursuing.
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Speaker 14: If you ever wanted a more stark and clear demonstration
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Speaker 14: of out of touch, these supposedly compassionate tials are in
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Speaker 14: a cost of living crisis, well you won't find one
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Speaker 14: these emissions reductions targets drive up the cost of living,
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Speaker 14: particularly with things like fuel and energy, and so if
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Speaker 14: they want to run with a seventy five percent missions
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Speaker 14: reduction target.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps we could trial it in their electorates.
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Speaker 14: First and see how their electorate deal with the increased
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Speaker 14: cost of electricity, with the wind farms along their beaches,
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Speaker 14: the solar panel of rays and all of the other
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Speaker 14: things that go with these obscene targets they're trying to
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Speaker 14: impose on us for no gain whatsoever. It's madness and frankly,
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Speaker 14: as I say, just demonstrates how out of touch the
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Speaker 14: Tials have become while I've been here in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: But the travel Alex is that a hung Parliament is
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Speaker 1: a very real possibility, which means that Labour would likely
40:48
Speaker 1: have to do a deal with either the Greens or
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Speaker 1: the Teals, or maybe even both to get over the line.
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Speaker 1: They're both coming up with ridiculous demands of the federal
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Speaker 1: government at the moment. How much of this are they
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Speaker 1: possibly going to accede to to hang on to power.
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Speaker 11: Well, that's the great question, Caleb, and I think this
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Speaker 11: is the point. I mean, this is why we want
41:10
Speaker 11: people to be voting liberal at the election so that
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Speaker 11: we make sure we keep that primory vote up and
41:15
Speaker 11: we stop having to get put in those positions. And
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Speaker 11: the same is true and now as it's always been frankly,
41:22
Speaker 11: but this is the reality. I mean, I think what
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Speaker 11: people say before they come to this place and how
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Speaker 11: they vote are two very very different things. And the
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Speaker 11: people that live in these electorates, electorates all over the
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Speaker 11: North Shore of Sydney need to understand what's on offer.
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Speaker 11: And I think John is absolutely right. The people that
41:37
Speaker 11: suffer out of this, of course, are the families, are
41:40
Speaker 11: the working families, the people that can least afford these
41:43
Speaker 11: sorts of radical climate targets. This is a crisis made
41:48
Speaker 11: by the government ultimately, and this future made in Australia
41:52
Speaker 11: ambition has no hope of succeeding if we are constantly,
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Speaker 11: constantly tied up with this sort of emissions target nonsense.
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Speaker 11: You know, it's just people have got to understand that
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Speaker 11: this is why their bills are up, gases up thirty
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Speaker 11: three percent at.
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Speaker 3: The moment since this government came to power.
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Speaker 1: And this is why now Melinda Claibaw, she's an executive
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Speaker 1: at META, she was up before a Senate Select Committee
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Speaker 1: today and she revealed that the company has been scraping
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Speaker 1: public data from Facebook and Instagram users as far back
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Speaker 1: as two thousand and seven to train its artificial intelligence models.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 10: Meta has just decided you will scrape all of the
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Speaker 10: photos and all of the text from every public post
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Speaker 10: on Instagram or Facebook that Australians have sheared since two
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Speaker 10: thousand and seven, unless there was a conscious decision to
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Speaker 10: set them on private. But that's actually the reality, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Cract John. If the product is free, you are the product.
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Speaker 14: And that's the alarming part about all of this. I mean,
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Speaker 14: how many Facebook can other social media users are aware
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Speaker 14: of how their data might be used? And I know
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Speaker 14: the old saying is buyer beware, even if it's free,
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Speaker 14: But there is a level of responsibility here. I think
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Speaker 14: that players like Meta need to abide by and the
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Speaker 14: fact that they are so willingly as you heard in
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Speaker 14: that answer to the question asked by one of our colleagues,
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Speaker 14: so willingly going to use this data for whatever purposes
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Speaker 14: We're not sure obviously go on and sell it.
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Speaker 3: That is incredibly alarming.
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Speaker 14: The other thing is, of course, the security of this
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Speaker 14: data with deep fakes and all of the problems associated
43:38
Speaker 14: with AI and fraud and scam that's going on in
43:41
Speaker 14: our society. I do think that there needs to be
43:43
Speaker 14: some level of responsibility on the part of the major
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Speaker 14: corporates making billions and billions out of our data, and
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Speaker 14: a little more contrition when they get caught out for it.
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Speaker 1: And the trouble, of course, Alex is you know, you
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Speaker 1: might have signed up for Facebook back in two thousand
43:57
Speaker 1: and seven. None of us knew that AI ever going
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Speaker 1: to be a thing. We didn't sign up and post
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Speaker 1: stuff on Facebook expecting this would happen. And yet of
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Speaker 1: course this is the position we now found ourselves in.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's the evolving nature of the tech industry. And look,
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Speaker 11: I've spoken about this at length, and I've spoken to
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Speaker 11: on my podcast based with Senator Alexandrik to doctor Robert Epstein,
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Speaker 11: who is an incredible American expert in the field of
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Speaker 11: this sort of data harvesting. Data Broking talks about Google
44:24
Speaker 11: specifically in that one, but he makes the point, you know,
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Speaker 11: these products are ultimately not free. You are the product itself,
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Speaker 11: and people need to understand that we give away our
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Speaker 11: data willing newly they companies do actively use data brokers
44:41
Speaker 11: and sell off that data across the board. So look,
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Speaker 11: this is a massive problem. We haven't addressed this yet
44:47
Speaker 11: in this country. And you know, there are a whole
44:50
Speaker 11: range of other issues that flow from this as well,
44:51
Speaker 11: what companies are doing in terms of shifting votes during elections,
44:55
Speaker 11: which is one of the topics he covered. There's a
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Speaker 11: whole range of things that aren't being addressed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get onto it quick, smart and
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Speaker 1: well done. I'm getting that plug in via podcast alex gents,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today after the break,
45:06
Speaker 1: plenty of words to get through with Kel Richards. Don't
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Speaker 1: go away.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now as he always does on a Wednesday
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Speaker 1: is wordsmith and broadcast Kel Richards. Kel. I was watching
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Speaker 1: the horrific scenes out of Melbourne today and I thought,
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Speaker 1: this is absolute mayhem. Where does the word mayhem come from?
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Speaker 9: You?
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Speaker 15: I and every other journeyist in Australia use the word mayhem,
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Speaker 15: So I thought this is interesting. It came into English
45:36
Speaker 15: from Anglo Norman Old French around fourteen hundred somewhe around there.
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Speaker 15: And the interesting thing is it's connected to the word mame.
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Speaker 15: Main came in first, to maime someone is to injure them,
45:47
Speaker 15: and it comes from the same French source word, and
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Speaker 15: it's got the same idea behind it, And it started
45:52
Speaker 15: off as a legal word as a subdivision under maiming.
45:56
Speaker 15: One way in which you could may more damage people
45:58
Speaker 15: or replaced was by ryan just behavior. So that form
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Speaker 15: of maiming came to be called mayhem. And if you
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Speaker 15: look at it, it's just the middle vowel of maime
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Speaker 15: spread out a bit.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Terrific Kylie's written in She says, is
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Speaker 1: it wrong to use the word terrific to mean very good?
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Speaker 1: Years ago a teacher told me that terrific means terrified?
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Speaker 1: Does it?
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Speaker 15: Kylie's teacher was spot on and out of date.
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Speaker 1: It started off sounds a bit like me sometimes, so
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Speaker 1: that's what people say about me.
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Speaker 15: No, no, no, you're the young one on this. It
46:32
Speaker 15: started off feeling having to do with terror, so terrific
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Speaker 15: was terrified.
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Speaker 1: But it changed.
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Speaker 15: That came in in the sixteen late sixteen hundreds. By
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Speaker 15: the middle eighteen hundreds it was being used to mean
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Speaker 15: very big, and from very big it came to mean
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Speaker 15: very good.
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Speaker 3: So in fact, it.
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Speaker 15: Started off exactly where the teacher said, but I'm sorry
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Speaker 15: it changed two hundred years ago.
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Speaker 1: Now before we came on airing the break, you told
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Speaker 1: me cal that you were going to shout me a beer.
46:56
Speaker 1: Where does shout come from? Leslie is also asking this question,
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Speaker 1: and why do we shout someone a beer or a coffee?
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Speaker 15: It's fascinating, isn't it. I talked to a bloke once.
47:05
Speaker 15: She said I met a member of a choir. I said, really,
47:09
Speaker 15: I didn't think you were sing. He said, we don't sing,
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Speaker 15: We sort of shout. Now it came from It's Australian.
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Speaker 15: We invented it from the eighteen fifties and the way
47:18
Speaker 15: it worked in those days was you'd be at a
47:20
Speaker 15: table with a bunch of mates and you literally called out,
47:23
Speaker 15: You literally shouted for the publican and say another round
47:26
Speaker 15: of rinks for this table. Apparently that's how you did
47:29
Speaker 15: it in a par boar an Ian or a slide
47:31
Speaker 15: grog shop back in the colonial days. And if you
47:33
Speaker 15: did the shouting out, you paid for the round. So
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Speaker 15: it was a literal shout to begin with.
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Speaker 1: Fair Enough, I have sometimes been because I think this
47:42
Speaker 1: is totally wrong, but I have been accused, you know,
47:44
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shout at a shark. But I think I
47:48
Speaker 1: pay my way, but we'll leave that to others. Now,
47:50
Speaker 1: Rosland is a great fan of the AFL as well
47:53
Speaker 1: as she should be the best football code in the
47:55
Speaker 1: country as far as I'm concerned. But she heard a
47:58
Speaker 1: commentator recently referred to a player's footwork, Tyson Stingle from
48:03
Speaker 1: Geelong as foot candy. She said that he's sorry that
48:07
Speaker 1: the commentator described his kick as foot candy. Quite inventive,
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Speaker 1: but why the American language?
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Speaker 15: Kel is it American? It may be a variation on
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Speaker 15: eye candy, that is, it was good to look at,
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Speaker 15: or it might have been very sweet footwork. The thing
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Speaker 15: that appealed to me is this does not exist in America.
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Speaker 1: I have gone through.
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Speaker 15: I've got contacts with all the dictionaries and I have
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Speaker 15: gone through all of them. This is the first time
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Speaker 15: foot candy has been used. She didn't give us the
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Speaker 15: name of the commentator, but this commentator has coined a
48:37
Speaker 15: brand new expression. We are here at the birth of
48:40
Speaker 15: a new phrase.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that exciting? That's really interesting. There you go Australia
48:43
Speaker 1: at the forefront. We've only got thirty seconds, but high
48:46
Speaker 1: faluten Oh.
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Speaker 15: The theory that the Oxford has is We're not certain,
48:49
Speaker 15: but it started as high fluting, playing very high notes
48:53
Speaker 15: on a flute in a very fancy way in order
48:55
Speaker 15: to show off. So high faluting became pretentious or showing
48:59
Speaker 15: off right.
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Speaker 1: So if you can play an instrument to a great degree,
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Speaker 1: then you fair enough, and some people would accuse us
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Speaker 1: of being high falutin kelvit, No, I reckon. We're many
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Speaker 1: of the people here. Thank you so much for your
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Speaker 1: company tonight. Up next for the third hour of South
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Speaker 1: Australian ex Patriots, of course, is the great man himself,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bolt. Good Night,