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Detroit Tigers Mean Business · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. Karen Steckley here,
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stavenhagen and Austin Jackson bringing to you live here
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  Speaker 1: to end the week. Thank you so much for subscribing.
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  Speaker 1: the drill, please subscribe as we are getting pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: We have been pretty close to opening day ever so close.
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  Speaker 1: Cody and Austin, how are you guys doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good man. I'm just I'm glad. We're done with
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  Speaker 3: this little freeze. We just said done with that.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: This is Texas and we got this weird and other
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  Speaker 3: other than that. We we're good, man, We're doing good
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  Speaker 3: over here.
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  Speaker 5: It's a nice time here to be in Florida, right
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  Speaker 5: freezing in Texas freezing of course in Michigan. I missed
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  Speaker 5: out on the big snow, so yeah, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 5: be down here watching some baseball. We saw Terrek Scruble
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  Speaker 5: his first start of the spring, and it was about
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  Speaker 5: what you would expect from Trek Scruble. Nineteen pitches, fourteen strikes,
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  Speaker 5: quick and easy hit one hundred on the radar gun
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  Speaker 5: through a nasty slider to get a punch out and
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  Speaker 5: do some I mean a couple of guys hit it
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  Speaker 5: fairly hard on the line, but hey, you get some
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  Speaker 5: first pitch outs. That's nothing to complain about. And no
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  Speaker 5: surprise here, but aj Hinch officially announced Terrek is on
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  Speaker 5: track to start Opening Day in Los Angeles. Trek last
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  Speaker 5: year that was a big deal, says first one. Right
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  Speaker 5: this year it was kind of like, yeah, you never
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  Speaker 5: know how many you'll get to start, so I'm looking
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  Speaker 5: forward to it, looking forward to the challenge of facing
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  Speaker 5: the Dodgers, but just kind of business as usual for
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  Speaker 5: Trek Scoogle these days.
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  Speaker 1: Well, part of the business as usual for Terrek is
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  Speaker 1: that we did see like intense Terrek today, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to emphasize the ce part. This was broadcast. You
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  Speaker 1: could watch the game unlike earlier in the week, so
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  Speaker 1: thank you Major League Baseball for that, and also had
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  Speaker 1: the tracks and all that stuff, so it was perfect.
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  Speaker 1: But we saw the intense Trek school. Well, probably the
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  Speaker 1: I mean number one moment for me is he's late
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  Speaker 1: into his wind up. There's a time called umpire grants
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  Speaker 1: it Terrek, you could probably, I don't know. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if you asked him Cody, like like who he's more
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  Speaker 1: at Matt, at the.
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  Speaker 2: Hitter or the umpire.
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  Speaker 1: I'd actually be pretty curious if he would be honest
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  Speaker 1: there what the answer would be for that. But he
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  Speaker 1: was upset, is what I would say. And next pitch
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. Next pitch slider made him
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  Speaker 1: look like a full.
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  Speaker 2: End of ending.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, it's not very often you watch, like the
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  Speaker 1: first ending of a spring training game you have the
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  Speaker 1: pitcher staring down home plate.
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  Speaker 2: As he says he's walking.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought I thought that was a that was
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  Speaker 1: a great moment basically just to say, like, it's good,
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  Speaker 1: Trek's Backrek, Derek is He's still Trek, and that that's
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  Speaker 1: all you want really to see today.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you said you you asked who that, uh that
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  Speaker 3: hunter was for.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's for both.
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  Speaker 3: The hunter was put of umpire just in case the
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  Speaker 3: ketcher missus him right for calling time out and don't
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  Speaker 3: sit with this, you know what I mean. Hundred is
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  Speaker 3: for the empire, just in case, you know, catch and
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  Speaker 3: miss it. Take that and you go sit the truck
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  Speaker 3: slide because midway through my wine that those they'll sit
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  Speaker 3: in the truck.
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  Speaker 2: That's anyway. I like that that makes a lot of
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  Speaker 2: sense to me. I didn't. I didn't think about it
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  Speaker 2: like that, but.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, well, like what that really kind of brings
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  Speaker 1: to mind? And and Austin, I'm really curious, like what
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  Speaker 1: your your thought process was when you were playing.
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  Speaker 2: Is like.
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  Speaker 1: We we joke about spring training being too long. We
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  Speaker 1: joke about like, you know, like what does it matter?
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  Speaker 1: But of course, like it does matter for these guys.
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  Speaker 1: It is still their livelihood. It was at one time
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  Speaker 1: your livelihood. But like the Tigers are coming off a
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  Speaker 1: playoff run and the first time they're playing like real
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  Speaker 1: competitive baseball for the most part. I know some guys
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  Speaker 1: do some winner leagues and all stuff, but like, like
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  Speaker 1: it's spring training. So like the way I texted to you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it counts, but the stats don't count, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? So, like how do you kind
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  Speaker 1: of get mentally and you know, because physically we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about with the training, but like mentally amped and ready
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  Speaker 1: to go for like spring training games, especially when the
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  Speaker 1: stakes aren't. What you just experienced is a couple of
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  Speaker 1: months ago, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that these you know, these these athletes,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're competitive. It's gonna be really hard to take
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  Speaker 3: that competitive nature out of these athletes. No matter what
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  Speaker 3: it is that we're doing, whether we're playing a card
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  Speaker 3: game or whether it's just a spring training at bat,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're competing. So we're we're there and those
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  Speaker 3: at bats matter, those those are bats matter for young
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  Speaker 3: guys as well as season veteran guys. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: veteran guys are really more about getting their bodies acclimated again,
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  Speaker 3: you know, putting on cleats, but you know, probably for
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  Speaker 3: the first time in months, getting out on the on
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  Speaker 3: the grass and running in the g in the outfield,
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  Speaker 3: getting out you know, on the base pats and running
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  Speaker 3: and just getting their bodies back used to being uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in that grind. But for young guys, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this really matters that they have an opportunity to be
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  Speaker 3: in front, in front of you, you know, people that
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  Speaker 3: are making decisions. So when they come in there, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's it's very important for them to take it serious
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  Speaker 3: because they don't know, you know, how long they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be up there and be able to get those
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  Speaker 3: at backs in front of people that are making these decisions,
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  Speaker 3: and also they want to, uh, you know, leave that
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  Speaker 3: impression on them. Like when I was with the Yankees,
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  Speaker 3: I knew I had no no shot in making it
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  Speaker 3: with the big league team. I'm not playing in front
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  Speaker 3: of Burdon Williams. It just wasn't gonna have. But at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, I knew that if I went up
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  Speaker 3: there and I competed and I showed them that I
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  Speaker 3: had the ability, because you're facing the big league pictures
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  Speaker 3: for the most part, so you know, I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: get up there and show them that I had the
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  Speaker 3: ability to play at that level, knowing that if we
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  Speaker 3: leave spring training, at least I put something in their mind,
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  Speaker 3: knowing that, hey, if somebody gets hurt or somebody's not produced,
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  Speaker 3: and this guy has the ability to.
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  Speaker 2: Come up here and you know, show show what he's
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  Speaker 2: capable of doing.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like I said, you have those middle tier
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  Speaker 3: guys two, three, four years who are working to try
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  Speaker 3: to get better each and every day.
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  Speaker 2: They want to continue to build on each and every year.
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  Speaker 3: So whether it's working on a new pitch, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to add to the arsenal to be a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more NaSTA orids, you know working on you know more contact.
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  Speaker 2: This is the time to do it for those guys,
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  Speaker 2: and those guys take it serious.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard, it's really hard to take that competitive nature
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's a cliche that gets thrown around a lot
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  Speaker 1: this time of year, Austin.
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  Speaker 2: But is it true.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that like pitchers are always ahead of hitters,
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  Speaker 1: like early in spring training or and and if it
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  Speaker 1: is true, like what does that really mean?
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  Speaker 8: It just means you got down here and they'll be
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  Speaker 8: bit earlier. To me, it'll catch up eventually.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I mean the truth. I mean, yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: they're ahead. I mean, think about it.
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  Speaker 3: They have control over everything anyway, even during the season.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they got control. You're trying to you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to guess what somebody is throwing at you. They're spinning it,
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  Speaker 3: doing all these these different type of things, and so
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  Speaker 3: it's all about timing. So they're you know, they're pretty
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  Speaker 3: much they're they're ramped up to start throwing and you're
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  Speaker 3: just trying to see the ball.
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  Speaker 2: So the pictures have you know, a slight advantage in
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  Speaker 2: that sense.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not like, you know, they're not going out
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  Speaker 3: there trying to you know, like mid August form right now,
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  Speaker 3: these guys are just trying to feel for the strike zone,
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  Speaker 3: trying to get a feel for their pitches, and so
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not like they're they're that much ahead.
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  Speaker 3: But it's really more so because hitters haven't been seeing
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  Speaker 3: pitches now I know now more so than when I
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  Speaker 3: was playing, Guys are playing a lot more in the offseason.
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  Speaker 3: Guys are are hitting off, you know, ninety pitches in
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  Speaker 3: the offason. That's just something that I wasn't doing. So
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  Speaker 3: when I got to spring training, it was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of time that I needed to make that adjustment.
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  Speaker 3: But they they're clearly good. I mean, good pitching is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be good hitting any day. So they always got
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  Speaker 3: their band, it's no matter what.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny sometimes you can even tell. You get young
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  Speaker 5: guys in spring training and they're trying to make the team,
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  Speaker 5: and sometimes they're a little jumpy and they're chasing and
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  Speaker 5: they're pressing, and then the opposite of that. I'm still
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  Speaker 5: thinking about a few days ago, Casey maz struck out
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  Speaker 5: Paul Goldschmidt on a slider. It was a pretty good slider.
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  Speaker 5: It was like a strike to strike slider. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: kind of like, why did gold Schmid not swing at
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  Speaker 5: that pitch? And I don't know, there's a veteran guy,
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  Speaker 5: he's won an MVP, Like was part of him just
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  Speaker 5: tracking or like even if you didn't recognize the spin
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  Speaker 5: and thought it was fastball, I think he would have swung.
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  Speaker 5: So that's been replaying in my mind. It was like
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  Speaker 5: his first or second game of spring. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: he was. He was too too concerned with the fact
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  Speaker 5: he struck out on that pitch.
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  Speaker 2: You know, No, yeah, I mean he's tracking. You know.
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  Speaker 3: The craziest thing I remember hearing from Tory Hunter, uh
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  Speaker 3: is like my first ten at bats, I just try
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  Speaker 3: to get jammed. I'm like what what and hit the
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  Speaker 3: ball like right over there to the second basement or
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  Speaker 3: to the first baseman, Like I'm like that. Nobody questioned it,
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  Speaker 3: mart it because you knew who You knew who Tory
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  Speaker 3: Hunter was, you knew what his number was going to
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  Speaker 3: be at the end of the season because that's what
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  Speaker 3: they always were. So who am I to question you
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  Speaker 3: letting the ball almost hit your knuckles for ten at
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  Speaker 3: bats obviously is doing something. But for him, it was
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  Speaker 3: about letting the ball get deep. So you were talking
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  Speaker 3: about guys jumping, being jumpy, that's what he wanted to control.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted to make sure that he was seeing the
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  Speaker 3: ball as long as possible at the beginning. First, before
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  Speaker 3: I start going out and trying to attack pitches out front,
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  Speaker 3: I need to be able to. I need to be
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  Speaker 3: able to get my foot down, see the ball and
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  Speaker 3: let the ball travel to me before I'm make that
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  Speaker 3: decision to attack it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what he would do.
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  Speaker 3: Guys like Manny Ramirez, he told me man Manny Ramirez,
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  Speaker 3: which is who he got it from, he would do
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  Speaker 3: the same thing they were. They would try to get jammed.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's just that does not sound right. But these
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  Speaker 3: are some of the best hitters you know that's ever
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  Speaker 3: played the game, so it's something to it. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure that he could hit that ball probably nine out
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  Speaker 3: of ten times. But early on the spring training, you're
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  Speaker 3: taking a lot more pitches, You're letting a lot a
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  Speaker 3: lot of really good pitches go by because you want
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  Speaker 3: to be able to want to make sure that you're
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  Speaker 3: in a good position to hit and see the ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know it's funny talk about from hitter's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we saw an example today from the
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  Speaker 1: pitching perspective. John Breba come comes in and he has
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  Speaker 1: the I don't know if it's a misfortune. His roster
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  Speaker 1: spots seems pretty fine. But Scott Harris is in the
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  Speaker 1: booth and the TV booth and he gives up, gives
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  Speaker 1: up a bomb. The first thing Scott Harris says on
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  Speaker 1: the broadcast. It's actually kind of a funny moment. Scott
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  Speaker 1: Harris is like, is that a slider? And they're like
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  Speaker 1: trying to get the track in and figure it out
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  Speaker 1: because they they're working on a change up with him.
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  Speaker 1: So Scott Harris didn't want this like change up work
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  Speaker 1: to like have resulted in this, like it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: monster home run, but it was, you know, not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of doubt about it. And it's like, yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: and then they kind of went into like the all
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  Speaker 1: the aspect of you know, working on pitch types and
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  Speaker 1: grips and you know, all these things. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: Scott Harris, it's not like he said anything like controversial
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  Speaker 1: or anything, but it was probably still a gut reaction.
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  Speaker 1: If he was not in the booth, he probably still
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  Speaker 1: would have been like, hopefully that was a slider.
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  Speaker 5: Scott's just hoping the change up works.
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  Speaker 2: We taught him this change up. We want to be
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  Speaker 2: able to take credit for it, so we were right.
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  Speaker 3: Guy's working on stuff, man, Like you know, you want
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  Speaker 3: to be able to throw it, wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 3: command the pitches as well. You know, I just want
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  Speaker 3: to go up here and throw it. I want to
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  Speaker 3: be able to command it and throw it where I
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  Speaker 3: want to when I want to. So you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: seen plenty of really good pictures give up bombs and
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  Speaker 3: spring training. Matter of fact, I remember CC Sabatia when
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  Speaker 3: when Year went down to get some extra endings in
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  Speaker 3: a minor league game, and I think, don't don't quote
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  Speaker 3: me on it, but like he then gave up I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, four or five home runs of those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Those guys ain't touching him.
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  Speaker 3: In the season, you know what I mean, Like I'm o,
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  Speaker 3: these guys are swinging first pitch. He's like, I'm working
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  Speaker 3: on something, you know, Like I'm just trying to throw
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  Speaker 3: a strike, and you can't like those guys are like,
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  Speaker 3: you see, I gotta hit you.
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  Speaker 2: But in the season, it just it won't work like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, guys are working on stuff, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: occasional you're going to give up a home run, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, whether it's a pitch you're working on or not,
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  Speaker 3: it can get clapped.
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  Speaker 5: So's gonna have a plaque in Cooper's down. So I
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  Speaker 5: don't I don't think he's sweating those backfield homes so much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, we we got another sort of funny moment.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could call it so far lay from
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  Speaker 1: Scott Harris to uh Andrew schaffin Scott Harris's recent siginee
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  Speaker 1: and we talked about it a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Last time we talked about like the deal it's minor league,
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  Speaker 1: it's invitation in the spring training and and he went
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  Speaker 1: on the record to say that he's not gonna go
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  Speaker 1: on the record, uh, at least until he's, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a member of the big league team. And he's wearing
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  Speaker 1: number zero, and I'm just like reading the quote, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's I don't know if he's serious or not. You
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  Speaker 1: were there, Cody, real quick, is this what like what
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  Speaker 1: is this like? Shape it being shapen or like, what's
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  Speaker 1: what's the deal?
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  Speaker 5: He was serious, man, I guess I guess everything he
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  Speaker 5: said was off the record, so I won't share all
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  Speaker 5: of it, but you could tell he was not happy
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  Speaker 5: to be there on a minor league deal. This is
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  Speaker 5: a guy who's approven, veteran. He wasn't great after the
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  Speaker 5: Tigers traded him at the deadline, but he's still a
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  Speaker 5: big league caliber left handed pitcher. There's not much doubt
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  Speaker 5: about that. And so he's now here as a dude
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  Speaker 5: just trying to make the team. And as a result
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  Speaker 5: of that, And if I had to guess, I think
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  Speaker 5: because if he goes on the record, he knows he's
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  Speaker 5: going to start railing about like the free agency process
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  Speaker 5: and complaining probably more than as good for him. He said, Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not talking. If you want to come over here
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  Speaker 5: and talk off the record about non baseball stuff, sure,
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  Speaker 5: Otherwise I'm not saying anything unless I make the team
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  Speaker 5: and then we can talk. So this is a veteran
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  Speaker 5: guy who is not happy with his situation. As a
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  Speaker 5: side of Andrew Chaffin, I'd never really seen before. I mean,
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: he's one of the most hilarious, guys, I've ever covered
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: really lighthearted joking around.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: He'll say whatever and does not care.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: So we're getting a little more of a pissed off
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: version of Andrew Chafin in camp this year, and I'm
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: kind of excited to see how that plays out.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, guys, guys take it all these
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: things differently, And that's one of the things I was
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: curious about from your perspective, Austin, is that, like we
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: see it with Shafin, and then you know Jack Flaherty
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: that we saw this week, like is also a guy
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that you know, happy to be here, but not necessarily happy.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: How I got here is is kind of like the
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: impression I got with he thought he was going to get,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: you know, one hundred million dollar contract and that obviously
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. So, like, what's the kind of the key
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: to separating the business from the baseball especially when you
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: know Chaffin's case, he signed the next day, he's in
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse, but like he's still like feeling the I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: guess you'd call it ill effects of not getting the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: kind of deal that he would want. And then Flarerity's
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: got to go out there after an off season of
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: vocal disappointment. You know, he's been on several shows talking
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: about it. So like you know, in your experience from
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: what from what you understand, like what's kind of the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: key to making baseball baseball and not letting like the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: business side maybe disappointment kind of let that affect like
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you like looking forward.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Man, there's no separatment. It's business.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It's it's business, and so that's how I'm retreated. You know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: everything that I do, the work that i'm doing, I'm
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it's all business.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like I'm going in there.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Obviously you got.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Your boys, You're gonna joke around with your boys. But
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: when I'm putting in that work like it's business like.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm remembering everything that anybody ever said to me
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: when I was two years old, three years old, if
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you said I was too skinny, I'm using all of
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: that for fuel. Like when I'm lifting, when i'm hitting,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I'm using it as for fuel. You know, you thought
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you were going to get something and it didn't happen.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: You think that that you deserve something and it didn't happen.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: That's the way this game goes. Like It'll let you
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: know real quick. You're not as bad as as you
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: think you are, but you're not as good as you
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: think you are either, So you know, you got to
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: use that as fuel.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And I know I did.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I know when I signed a minor league contract with
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the big league invite, I used it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And and you know how we talk about how, you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: how do guys use spring training?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I was going.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I had to compete. I had to go out there
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and produce.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I was coming off of an injury, a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: knee injury, so I really had to show everything. There
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: was no just showing up and knocking rust off. No,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it was this is me, you know, going out and
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: having to prove myself day one. First that back, you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: first first ball hits me in the outfield because I
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: had to prove that my body could hold up to
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: play just baseball again. And not only that, but I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: had to go out and put numbers up in spring training.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Then don't don't matter or shouldn't matter, but you have to.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You gotta go prove yourself. And it's like you're gonna
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: have to do that every year. You have to do
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: that every year unless you sign that hundred million dollar contract.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be proving yourself for the rest of your career.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And that's just how it is. It's a business. You
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: gotta treated like that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody, I'm curious, like from your observations, you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Aj Hinch is a relatively unique manager in the sense
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that he has like real front office experience and everybody
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: knows him and and Scott Harris our our partnership like
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: anecdotally or just kind of like what you think in
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: terms of how he kind of handles things like this,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and not even just like disappointing free agency, but lead
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: up the trade deadline every year it's like who's gonna
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, who's gonna get dealt? And and answering questions
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: from you guys, and then obviously he's handling it with
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the players, Like how did how is Aj Hinch at
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: this aspect of being a manager?
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit hard to say
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: without actually being behind closed doors and actually being in
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: on these meetings. But one thing I get the sense
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Aj has always done very well is be straightforward with
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: the players. I think he makes that a priority. They
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: meet with every guy at the start of spring, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: it seems like they don't bs and they lay out,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: here's what we think you're good at, here's what you
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: need to improve at, here's kind of where you stand
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: in the roster mix. And it seems like they are
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: frank about how realistic a path guys might have to
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: make in the team and not you know, when they
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: brought in Chafin, HEJ said, look, he's not going to
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: be promised a spot, even though this is a guy
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: who's been on their team, who's experienced, Chathan knows what
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: he signed up for. It seems like I think they've
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: been frank about that, and I yeah, I think AJ
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: and the coaches make a real conscious effort to not
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: bs players and that may be something that was learned
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: through experience. Like AJ's talked about how he's grown since
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: he was managed as like a rookie manager in Arizona
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: and as a guy who played. Let's not forget AJ
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: was in many camps. Is probably the third catcher not
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: real sure if he'd be going to the big leagues
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: or if he'd be going to Triple A. So it
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: does seem, at least from my vantage point, like he
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: has a good touch in terms of making sure guys
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: have a realistic view of where they're at.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I said, it's like, is that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: something that like you know, like you hear something like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that and like that like appeals to you, appeals to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the player as well.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: I was gonna say, I mean absolutely, because you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: at the at the end of the day, if I
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: don't have a shot, you know, I'm you know, we're
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: all grown in around here.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You know we can we can handle it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: And being told you know that you legitimately don't have
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a shot at this, but we want to see you.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: We want to see you know what you can do.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We want to see you go out and compete.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: That that does just something for your your I mean
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: you and and and on the flip side of that,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: knowing that you are potentially battling for a spot and
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you do have a chance, it just does something for
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you as a player. Just to have that honesty, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: being transparent with my career because this is my career
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: we're dealing with. And if if I if I don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: have a shot, you know what, I can handle that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I know I need to go work on some things.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: But also you know, you know, leaving me drive it
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and not knowing that, you know, I'm potentially competing for
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: a spot and I do have a chance to make
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a roster. You know, it does something for you, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: you you want to be able to you know, have
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that communication with with your with your manager, and you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: want them to be you know, able to be transparent
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: with you about where you're headed.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I think that that's important. I love that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I love that, And like you said that that's probably
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: something that he had to learn because God is probably
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: just getting you know, just off you know, thinking that
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: they have a chance and the whole time they really didn't,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and they're you know, asking themselves, what did I do wrong.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I went out there and I hit seven hundred and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: spring training and I still got to sit down.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I went out there and I you know, I shoved
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: when I was pitching, and I still got to sit down.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: So what's going on? And it's just good to kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: of know what's going on behind the scenes because there's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: so many moving parts. A lot of times it's really
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: not even about you. It's just about where the direction
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: of the team is going at this moment. So just
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to know that, it's like, oh, okay, I can you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I can go out and relax it and I'm still
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: gonna go compete, but you know, I know where I'm
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: gonna be. Let me go ahead and start getting things
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: lined up to schedule because that's that's that's where I'm
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: gonna be at this year.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So it's good to know.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And I and I love that for the guys, man,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like just being able to have that that that uh,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that communication from the top that means a lot, man,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: and it just puts you at ease. Too much too
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: much stuff going on, Like it's too much anxiety already
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: just playing the game of baseball. And when you know
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: where you're gonna be at, uh, it just lets you
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: go out up there and focus on the game.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I mean so many examples come to mind. Eric cost
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: A couple of years ago. You know, he had been
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: pretty much buried in the Guardians then Indians system, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: it was like, you know, what was that Like, did
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: you feel like they had just labeled you as depth?
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: And he was like, well, they never really told me that,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: but every meeting it was well, just just keep doing
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: what you're doing. It's like, Okay, I do that, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: then I don't get in a shot in the big league,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: So clearly you want me to do something else.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And the Air goes to a new organization and
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: he got his opportunity with the Tigers and and you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: hit twenty homers that year. And then the guy in
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: this camp I think of Jami Jones. It's probably not
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: gonna make the roster. Tigers signed him on a minor
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: league deal, but they like him. I don't think he's
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: coming into camp with any delusion that he's making this
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: team unless four guys get hurt. But if he plays well,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the Tigers like what he can do against left handed pitching.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: If there are a couple injuries, there's a non zero
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: chance he could get a shot this year. I mean,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: some things would have to go wrong that wouldn't be
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: great for the team as a whole. But like, I
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: think they do like him and they're letting him know that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But they're also not being like, oh, yeah, you can
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: make the team if you hit five hundred in spring,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: because he probably still wouldn't like that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Every jobs available.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It means a lot, man, it means a lot. Like
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: if you you're telling me like you just like you
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: just mentioned, like, let me know if I need to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: work on something. If I'm going out here and you said, hey,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing but nothing is really changing,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: then how am I ever gonna, you know, get that
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: opportunity to make a change, you know, if I'm if
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not being you know, made aware of that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think it's cool. I think I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: think they all should do that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Let me know what it is that I need to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: work on, so I actually go work on it and
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: not go out here and be the same player and
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: nothing changed with my career.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: When I get a sense that, like when the manager's unpopular,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: it's probably either because he's actually a hard afraid of
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: the tough conversations, or like players feel like they're getting BSD.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I haven't heard many players complain about a manager as
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: long as they felt like like he was being straightforward.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Like you said, these guys are grown men in their athletes,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: and I think you know, they for the most part,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: they tend to get it. Probably not happy about being cut,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: but often they probably understand.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Detroit's got a couple of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: examples of that, Dan Campbell being one of them. Over
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: with the Lions. He's about as Frank as it gets too,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So in good hands there. The Tigers are another example
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: why they're in good hands with aj Hinch. All right,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: real quick, we can wrap up here with some topical news.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So I mentioned being able to watch the game with
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Schooble's debut that included the return of formerly Bally now
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: FanDuel Detroit FanDuel whatever they're technically calling it. Some changes,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: not a lot of changes, Cody, But you still got Jason.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You still got Dan. Dan's still gonna fill in for
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Jason on TV. Andy Dirks, former teammate, I've been mentioned
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of times on this podcast. Looks like he's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: gonna he was like kind of a primary radio fill
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: in TV. Now looks like he's gonna be a primary
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: TV guy. Dan Petree's gonna be doing both, and then
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Kirk Gibson, Todd Jones, and Carlos Penya will be doing
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: TV as well. That Danielle or Bruce will be a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: sideline reporter, and then they're looking to hire a second
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: sideline reporter, So be on the lookout for that, I guess.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And on the radio, like I said, Dan Dickerson, Greg
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Dania whenever Dan is not in the radio, booth, Bobby
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Scale is a guy that we all love, Dan Peatree,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and a little bit of Andy Dirks on the radio.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So not a whole lot of change Cody. But but
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I guess you could call it almost like a promotion
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for Andy because TV is better than radio, even though
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I disagree. But Andy moveing, Andy moving on up, man,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Andy's moving on up.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a few kind of newsy nuggets. I
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: think the big one. Andy is going to be a
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: primary analyst on TV. He was great at the tail
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: end of last year and he's kind of being rewarded
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: for that. Daniella will be the it seems like the
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: number one sideline reporter. That's a big step up for her,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: but well deserved. She's going to be a star in
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: my opinion. I know there's some people disappointed to see
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Johnny Kine not currently on the broadcast. Johnny's great too,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: He's a friend of mine. These positions are now under
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the branch of Illage Sports and Entertainment instead of FanDuel,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: so there's probably hintset, Like Jason Bennetti is a Tigers employee,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: not a fan duel employee. It's probably hintset. One day
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: the Tigers are going to be controlling their own broadcast,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: probably getting ahead of the game in that regard. So
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the position that's open, Johnny, Trevor Thompson, those guys we
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: all know they can apply for that if they want to.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of smoke that Johnny might prefer to
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: be the next in line for play by play with
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: the Pistons. We'll see what happens on that one. Yeah,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: radio crew is pretty similar. I think Bobby Scales does
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: a great job. Let's not forget the Spanish language broadcast
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: has grown a lot the last couple of years. Started
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: as a very small operation. They're now doing every home game,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: up from forty five last year. So Carlos Gian, not
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: the former player, but relations coordinator Carlos, He does a
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: great job. Barbara Garbay, member of the eighty four Tigers.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I don't understand the Spanish broadcast, but I'm told that
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: he's actually a great analyst on there as well. Alex
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Avila will not be returning this year, but otherwise no
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: new faces. So Austin, You've talked about Andy before, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: what's it like seeing this dude all over the TV?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's just natural man like even
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: even in the in the in the in the clubhouse,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and he just had this when he spoke. He just
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: had a certain it's about just a matter of fact,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, type of command when he when he spoke,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, he.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Was is funny because it's like he feels like he
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: knows everything, Like I could go to him about it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: It's not it's like a father, fatherly figure when I like,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I would go And I mean I don't know if
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Dirks knew what he was talking about or not, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the way he said it, like that's what that's what
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: we talked about. Like when Dirks is talking about the game,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: like he he makes it seem like he knows everything
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: about it, like he knew, he knew exactly what they
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: were thinking exactly what's about that? Like he just has
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: this presence, man, this is uh this confidence And I
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: love that about Dirks man, Like I really love that
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: he he was confident when he spoke. You know, he
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: has a very very strong presence with his voice. I mean,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: anytime you hear him, you know without seeing him, be
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: like that's that's Andy Dirks. You know, that's Dirks. And no,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm happy for man like he uh he's a
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: hard worker and you know he's gonna show up each
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and every day. He's gonna, you know, always strive to
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: get better. And I'm happy for him. I know he's
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: gonna do really big things in Detroit.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Very enthusiastic guy. Uh yeah, he was an enthusiastic player.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: He's enthusiastic on social media. He's enthusiastic in the radio or.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: The TV booth. Uh So.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the one of the underrated,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like rising stars in Detroit media, other than Cody of course,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: but like you know, Andy, uh Andy, Andy does a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: great job all right. A lot of fun discussions today.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: That's why I love doing this, love doing this with
• 31:41
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