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Ep. 128 : AL Central Preview With Marty Tallman · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one twenty eight of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I am Mike Coolard, joined by my
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  Speaker 1: very good friend Jeremy Brewer, and we are speaking on
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  Speaker 1: February eighteenth. We've got a great preview coming up on
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  Speaker 1: the AL Central. We're also like, I'm a little giddy
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  Speaker 1: because it was warm today. I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's fantastic. It feels like baseball weather like this.
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  Speaker 2: I love playing baseball in the cool because, like it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like there's something more to it. It's the natural game.
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  Speaker 2: Like I would much rather play in the sixties, the fifties,
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  Speaker 2: something like that rather than the nineties. The middle of
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  Speaker 2: the summer, got the turf around you. Maybe not from
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  Speaker 2: a hitter perspective. The hitters don't tend to like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little sting on the end of the bat
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  Speaker 2: when you swing in this weather. But it's okay. It
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  Speaker 2: is real, real fun weather, and you can just springs
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  Speaker 2: right around the corner where almost there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting pretty close to spring training games. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: baseball for college kicked off this past weekend and I
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  Speaker 1: just I watched a ton of college baseball. It's been
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  Speaker 1: really fun to watch and get into that. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of great teams and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: great players that are in college right now. So it's
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  Speaker 1: been fantastic being able to get some ball on our
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  Speaker 1: TV screens. And yeah, with that, we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into some news and notes before we do our Ale
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  Speaker 1: Central preview because even though teams are reporting, we've still
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  Speaker 1: got some signings trickling in. As you know, we've still
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  Speaker 1: got players rounding out rosters out there. Let's just start
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  Speaker 1: with the biggest one off the bat, where this pretty
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  Speaker 1: much cleans up the major free agents, especially the ones
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  Speaker 1: with the qualifying offers out there. Zach Gallon is returning
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  Speaker 1: to the Arizona Dbacks on a deal that ouch's Ozach
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  Speaker 1: Gallon because he signed for what would have been the
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  Speaker 1: qualifying offer amount that he turned down, only now he's
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  Speaker 1: deferring a portion of that, so it's actually less than
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  Speaker 1: the qualifying an offer amount. The market just was not
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  Speaker 1: there the way Gallon I think expected it to be,
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  Speaker 1: and especially because he had that draft pick compensation attached
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  Speaker 1: to him, it probably really hurt him coming off of
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  Speaker 1: a season that was really rough one hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: two innings, of a four to eighty three er and
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  Speaker 1: a one twenty six whip. The strikeout rate was a
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  Speaker 1: career low eight point two percent, and the luck was
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  Speaker 1: just all against him as well in terms of a
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  Speaker 1: career low left on base percentage. The stuff has really
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  Speaker 1: started to back up on the thirty year old Zach Gallon,
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  Speaker 1: and so you can see why it was not exactly
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  Speaker 1: a hot market for him coming off of a platform
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  Speaker 1: year like that. Honestly, probably just like absolutely annihilated some teams,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you're in like a draft and whole situation
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  Speaker 1: had to absorb one hundred and ninety two innings of
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  Speaker 1: a for eighty three year from Zach Gallen. That really
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  Speaker 1: sunk year ship last year in twenty twenty five. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think twenty twenty six can be for Gallen,
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  Speaker 1: Because like we're only a couple of years removed from
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  Speaker 1: this dude being an absolute all out ace with like
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  Speaker 1: a sub three era and a three FIP where he
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  Speaker 1: was like Corbyn Burns in Arizona before Corbyn Burns joined
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  Speaker 1: him practically. But I am scared to death of this
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  Speaker 1: Gallon profile. I used to be into him, but last
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  Speaker 1: year is just real, real rough. So do you think
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  Speaker 1: that Gallan can bounce back in twenty six or in
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  Speaker 1: the future.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe. I mean there's a little bounce
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  Speaker 2: back to like a mid to upper threes era. He
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  Speaker 2: had some tough luck last year and a few things
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  Speaker 2: that kind of kind of held him back, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's a little rebound. But I mean, honestly, like
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  Speaker 2: if you look the last four years, like every year
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  Speaker 2: just this feels like the Luis Castillo effect, Like every
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  Speaker 2: year he just backs up just a little bit to
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  Speaker 2: the point where you don't even almost even feel it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you look up and you're like, man, this
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  Speaker 2: guy's just a mid, mid to back rerotation. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what happened with MLB teams. They looked at
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  Speaker 2: him and go like, I don't see. I can't invest
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  Speaker 2: in you. I can't give him the draft pick because
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  Speaker 2: I don't have faith you're anything more than an Indians
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  Speaker 2: eater at this point, which is valuable in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 2: but from a fantasy perspective, it's just not gonna do
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  Speaker 2: what you need to do. So I'm I'm I'm out
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  Speaker 2: on him. I just I used to like him as well,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's it's like Zach Gallon aged fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that is part of it.
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  Speaker 1: It also like it wasn't ever like it was a
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  Speaker 1: pitch mix profile when he's especially coming up with Saint
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  Speaker 1: Louis and Miami and like he had a good run
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  Speaker 1: I think when he was able to max out the
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  Speaker 1: abilities of it. But it does feel like the velocity
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  Speaker 1: has never quite been there and the stuff plus has
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  Speaker 1: never quite been there for for Gallon the way it
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  Speaker 1: has been for other guys. And you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: see that as he's on the back end if he
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  Speaker 1: his career now. So I think it's all fair. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think he could bounce back, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a very upper percentile outcome for that to happen that
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  Speaker 1: you're really wish casting for it to happen. Okay, We've
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  Speaker 1: got one trade, which this is maybe the oddest trade
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen, as Toronto and Houston have linked up
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  Speaker 1: to trade Joey Loperfido and Hayesu Sanchez. Sanchez was my
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  Speaker 1: buye for the Astros when we preview the Al West.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back to that episode and
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  Speaker 1: I'm still in on him. He's in a better city.
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  Speaker 2: I wish we could tell the other orders see if
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  Speaker 2: you would have bottom twice, Yeah, it would have been great.
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  Speaker 1: Like I double dip on Sage Sanchez because he should
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  Speaker 1: walk into a strong side. Patune roll on a better
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  Speaker 1: squad in Toronto. And I've got a little more faith
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  Speaker 1: in the Toronto hitting development than Houston right now, because
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  Speaker 1: Houston's kind of been messy the past couple of years
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  Speaker 1: in terms of like they're running this team bringing lit
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  Speaker 1: Perfido back, and it's like, I wonder who presented the
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  Speaker 1: other side with the trade, because it feels like whoever
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  Speaker 1: offered the trade probably is the loser because when the
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  Speaker 1: other one was offered it, they're like, oh, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: an upgrade to my corner outfield. So I have a
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  Speaker 1: feeling maybe the blue Jays went that route because like
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  Speaker 1: the blue Jays didn't really have any need for this,
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  Speaker 1: but clearly I think probably preferred Sanchez over Loperfeedo. I
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  Speaker 1: guess on the flip side of the Astros had no
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  Speaker 1: reason probably to do it other than you think that
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  Speaker 1: we've traded something else from Loperfeto if they really liked him.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, what a weird trade, And what do
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  Speaker 1: you think think of it.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea because what read to me was
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  Speaker 2: like Houston because Lop you know, was a Houston product,
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  Speaker 2: like they traded him away and so like it's like
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  Speaker 2: they just like, nope, nope, we really like that guy.
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  Speaker 2: We we made a mistake and we won him back.
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  Speaker 2: And Sanchez like has always been kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: maybe when's the next year gonna hit and Okay, we'll
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  Speaker 2: just give him up and and try Loperfito. So like
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  Speaker 2: it almost feels like an endorsement to Librafito for for Houston.
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  Speaker 2: But like I just I don't this. I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: good about this one in general. Like it's just like
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  Speaker 2: what what are Who's doing what? And I don't quite know,
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  Speaker 2: Like is like Sanchez should have been starting. Does that
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  Speaker 2: mean low Berfido's got a full time gig? I maybe
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  Speaker 2: in that look and if he does, if he does,
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  Speaker 2: like I actually kind of like him, like I've I've
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  Speaker 2: been on him it before, Like he's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of talent, but he also, like man, his plate discipline
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  Speaker 2: got like fell off a cliff in the majors, and
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  Speaker 2: so he feels he's like feel on the border of
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  Speaker 2: a quad a player but again, if you traded Sanchez
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  Speaker 2: for him, like they've got to see something here. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm very mixed. I'm gonna watch this one close. Little Berfido,
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  Speaker 2: specifically Sanchez. I don't think it really changes his value
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  Speaker 2: for me, but Liwperfito like wasn't on my radar now,
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  Speaker 2: like there's a little bit of like a what's it
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  Speaker 2: going on here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think, yeah, Sanchez is probably pretty
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  Speaker 1: even Li Brafito. I honestly, I think I'm still pretty
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  Speaker 1: out on where I was with him, just because the
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  Speaker 1: contact great is brutal, and he doesn't really seem to
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  Speaker 1: have an eye at the major league level and didn't
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  Speaker 1: show it in Triple A last year. So maybe Houston
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  Speaker 1: gat him back to the success they they brought him
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  Speaker 1: up with, but it just feels like he doesn't quite
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  Speaker 1: have a major league quality bat to be able to stick.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess we'll see. So intriguing maybe for loper
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  Speaker 1: Feudo to have that full time gig because he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have it in Toronto, that's for sure. Okay, let's now
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  Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of moves in San Diego. But
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  Speaker 1: let's start with the main one first. As the Nick
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  Speaker 1: Castillanos and Philadelphia Phillies saga is over as the Phillies
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  Speaker 1: clearly could not find anybody to trade for Castillanis in
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  Speaker 1: the offseason, which isn't surprising. It was a brutal season
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  Speaker 1: for him, a ninety WRC plus with a two fifty
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  Speaker 1: two ninety four four hundred slash line with only seventeen
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  Speaker 1: homers one hundred and forty seven games. On top of it,
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  Speaker 1: social media was a light this past week with the
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  Speaker 1: Miami incident coming to light when Nick Castellanos apparently like
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  Speaker 1: had a Presidente beer in the dugout during a series
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  Speaker 1: in Miami and rubbed everybody the wrong way in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, given who like Castanos is from a
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  Speaker 1: personality guy, he's always been a good like guy to
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  Speaker 1: have in the clubhouse and kind of bombastic, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like that. Not terribly surprised, but it is just kind
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  Speaker 1: of the nail in the coffin that kicked Castanos out
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  Speaker 1: of town landed with the San Diego Padres currently in
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  Speaker 1: a short side platoon for them, that's how far Nick
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  Speaker 1: Castellos has fallen off, and even to the point where
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  Speaker 1: they're working them out first base to split time with
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Sheets possibly, but I mean there's gonna be daylight
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  Speaker 1: I think in San Diego for Nick Castianos, are you
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  Speaker 1: in at all?
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  Speaker 2: No? I can't. Like the profile under needs looks terrible,
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  Speaker 2: Like he's average basically a hundred BRC plus lest like
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  Speaker 2: four seasons straight and it's he's actually just kind of
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  Speaker 2: been like a volume lineup position type of guy, which
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  Speaker 2: is what is driven some of the value, but like
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  Speaker 2: it dropped off last year. I I see him as
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  Speaker 2: a platoon bat. I see him as a as a
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  Speaker 2: risk basically, Like it's kind of like the CJ. Abrams
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  Speaker 2: effect here of like do I trust that he's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna make like good choices in life to actually be
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  Speaker 2: able to stay on the team, Like like I usually
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  Speaker 2: if you if you're considering that with like your drafting strategy, like, man,
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  Speaker 2: this guy might get kicked off the team, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: worse than injury risk if if you ask me so,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm just I just don't think I can I
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  Speaker 2: can do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the glove is awful.
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  Speaker 2: It's there isn't a glove, like there's not a yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think it's an a depth
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  Speaker 1: kind of piece for the Padres right now, but I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the Padres in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months time. And it's kind of bouncing
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  Speaker 1: around in DFA land all season. So uh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm with you too. I think Nick Casos, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably the end of the line for him here in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, I think, so Okay, Well, San Diego
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  Speaker 1: also went out and signed three pitchers out there, So
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  Speaker 1: they picked up Aramon Marquez, Griffin Canning, and Walker Bieler
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  Speaker 1: to try to see if they can find any gems
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  Speaker 1: to add to the back of that rotation. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about it many times. It's a great place
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  Speaker 1: to pitch. It's a pitcher's park. You get the Marine
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  Speaker 1: Layer in San Diego as well for all their night games,
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  Speaker 1: and on top of it, it should be a relatively
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  Speaker 1: solid defense Nicks aside, and so it's always a fascinating
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  Speaker 1: spot for pictures as well as like these three dudes
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  Speaker 1: have been dudes in the past. You know, Marquez was
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  Speaker 1: the one pitcher outside of you Wallow him Inez that
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  Speaker 1: anybody's probably ever owned for Fantasy in Colorado. Walker Bieler
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  Speaker 1: was like a top of the rotation arm, but really
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  Speaker 1: has not been able to bounce back from that additional
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  Speaker 1: time John Surgery and Griffin Canning was looking like a
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  Speaker 1: solid usable piece for a back end of a rotation
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  Speaker 1: for Fantasy last season until he went down with an
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  Speaker 1: Achilles' tear as he found some luck with the New
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  Speaker 1: York Mets. So uh, any intrigue in any of these
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  Speaker 1: arms given that San Diego is just such a great
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  Speaker 1: place to pitch, and you've seen pretty decent highs for
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  Speaker 1: all these pictures at one point in their careers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I generally no, like there's not
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot here, Like there's just red flags galore
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  Speaker 2: with the group. Honestly, like MARQUEZMANI signed him, Like was
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  Speaker 2: Marquez still playing? Like yeah he was. He's pitching thirty
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  Speaker 2: games in Colorado and giving up like seventeen runs a game,
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  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, there's a different there. Like, if if
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  Speaker 2: I have to pick one to kind of like watch,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Walker Bueller just because of how high end he
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  Speaker 2: was at one point in time and now again it's
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  Speaker 2: been a few years, the velocities dropped off, and like
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  Speaker 2: he just hasn't got the pitch shape back. But overall,
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  Speaker 2: I just I just don't see any of these guys
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  Speaker 2: being intrigue. It feels like they're throwing darts hoping somebody
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  Speaker 2: looks great in spring training, the shape of their life
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  Speaker 2: type of thing, and I just I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's fair. I mean, I think all
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  Speaker 1: of them, you can probably watch list and maybe see
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  Speaker 1: how they're trending over the spring. But yeah, all three
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  Speaker 1: of them, it's been a while since we've seen their
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  Speaker 1: best tippy top work. I mean, Canning looked pretty good
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  Speaker 1: last year, but it's tough. He's gonna be out for
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  Speaker 1: a couple months recovering still from that achilles. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean Marquez is maybe the one that I'm like, eh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they could if you know, new pitching, but like
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  Speaker 1: he's been banged up with injuries and has just never
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  Speaker 1: kind of been able to bounce back. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you do see Marquez maybe dialing it back up
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  Speaker 1: to his previous radar numbers, then I might I might
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  Speaker 1: take a flyer on him or two, but not not
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  Speaker 1: really investing anywhere until I can kind of see some
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  Speaker 1: action from all these guys across the board. Okay, next
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  Speaker 1: signing we have is Luis Renhifo in older signing with
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  Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers, which is, honestly, this makes that Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Durbin trade look like a highway robbery for the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: because like they just sent Durbin out and pretty much
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  Speaker 1: replaced him with about the same player in Renifo, where
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  Speaker 1: like the daylight between them is not huge. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Renifo did have a tough year a seventy three WRIC
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  Speaker 1: plus with two thirty eight, two eighty seven, three thirty
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  Speaker 1: five slash line last year, but it came with nine homers,
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  Speaker 1: it came with ten stolen bases. He was banged up,
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  Speaker 1: and before that he put up twenty four stolen bases
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  Speaker 1: and hit three hundred the year before in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: certainly doesn't swing it very hard, but he's penciled in
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  Speaker 1: as the starting third basement right now for the Milwaukee Brewers,
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  Speaker 1: So you can tell I've been on Rahefo in the past.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a bit of like a volume play and
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  Speaker 1: just letting him kind of be in that lineup. I
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  Speaker 1: think I'll probably end up with him in some places
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  Speaker 1: as long as he's playing every day in Milwaukee. So
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  Speaker 1: what do you think are you also in that boat?
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  Speaker 1: I know we'll get into it in a little bit
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  Speaker 1: our ale Central preview that I'm like, am I like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like mass dungeon master, the am I back end
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  Speaker 1: options and men, he fos right in that mix for me.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, this is your kind of guy one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 2: Like you can see it a mile away. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I questioned a little bit like I don't understand what
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers are doing here, like like maybe this is
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  Speaker 2: the Bruis thing, right, They just they do a really
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  Speaker 2: good job with asset management, what's just call it that?
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  Speaker 2: And he he is that kind of guy that you
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  Speaker 2: hopefully gets, you know, multiposition eligibility or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: and then you can throw him in and he might
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  Speaker 2: sneak a homer, might steak a steel. He's not going
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  Speaker 2: to terribly hurt you. So like this is a good
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  Speaker 2: bench piece for me. I'm not probably there in the
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  Speaker 2: middle infield piece at this point because I just think
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  Speaker 2: there's so many other options with more upside. He's not
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  Speaker 2: a two forty hitter. He is more of a two
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  Speaker 2: fifty two sixty hitter, So there's a little more upside
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  Speaker 2: than the last year. But at the same time, like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not he's not a guy I'm gonna target. I
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  Speaker 2: might at the end of the draft, like, well, there's
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  Speaker 2: there's worst options, so I'll take Rahifo. That's probably the
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  Speaker 2: approach I'll have with him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're in a drafting hole situation, it's
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  Speaker 1: also a huge arrow up because on NFBC he has
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  Speaker 1: second base and third base, so that is this is
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  Speaker 1: the type of roster sylve that like really kind of
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  Speaker 1: holds you together all season because the Milwaukee really doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have a great third base option right now outside of Renhefo.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe you'll see a little David Hamilton there. I
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  Speaker 1: guess we'll see if they like push Jet Williams this year,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think there's anybody coming for third base
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  Speaker 1: until like Andrew Fisher is ready, which probably isn't going
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  Speaker 1: to be till twenty twenty seven. In my book, Okay,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: we've got one injury and it does hit our Al
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Central preview a little bit, so we we touch on
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. But Pablo Lopez showed back up
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: to camp and that elbow injury he had in the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: fall somehow didn't magically heal itself. Although in the fall
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: they were calling it just more of like forearm tightness.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: They said there wasn't significant damage. But obviously whatever happened
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: in the offseason as Lopez tried to work his way
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: back resulted in that UCL being fully torn. Now they're
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: still weighing whether or not it's going to be internal
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: brace or Tommy John surgery, I think, but probably going
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to be down Pablo Lopez all of twenty twenty six,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: maybe even a little bit into twenty twenty seven. It
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: was kind of a tough year for him anyway last year,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and you know now he's going to be turning thirty
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: one before he hits the field again, and actually, like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Russ resources him right at thirty he oh, he turns.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: It's just a couple of weeks. It's a March seventh.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe it'd be like his birthday to day.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: That'd be crazy. But what are you doing with Pablo Lopez?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Mostly in like a dynasty keeper situation where you've got
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: him in a long term, because we've seen some really
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: great work in those years in Miami and the first
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: year in Minnesota from Lopez, where he was a very
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: great number two pitcher. Do you think you're still holding on, hoping,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: hoping for that he will be a free agent after
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty seven season.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really tough one because of of
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: all pitchers out there, he's one of those guys it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: pretty much plug and play and you know what you're
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: gonna get, and it has been that for many years.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He's started to take a little step back, but like
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: he had three years straight of like one hundred and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: eighty eight pitch. He was striking out a guy for
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: nine low walks, good whip, good year, like, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: not drilling the wins here in Minnesota. But and he's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: still young enough that you know, on the back end
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of this he can get built back up, have a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: good maybe two three years uh, still of his quasi
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: quote unquote pitching prime. But it's it's gonna be tough
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because I don't see much more than that. Like I
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna be too far. Before that, we were
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: talking about some other falloff and so you have to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: come back, and it's really really hard when you have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: these injuries. Right at the beginning of spring training, because
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it's almost two seasons that you're gonna lose. So I'm
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not like fully out on him here, but I'm
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I'm lukewarm. If I have to drop him to take
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a flyer on something that could really be breaking out,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I'm doing that in a heart beat.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I had some hope for him coming
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: into twenty six, partly because like the changes that we
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: saw in the Twins' coaching staff were giving me a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: little more hope. Because especially this happened more in twenty
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: twenty four when you saw that home run rate spike
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: for Lopez up to one two six, which was the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: worst of his career. Is that, like the pitching development
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: got a little out of whack. I think in Minnesota
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: in terms of like you could tell, especially in twenty four,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they were trying to do that Tampa Bay Ray's approach
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, just have the catcher set up in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the middle of the plate, pipe it over the middle
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of the plate. Let your stuff work, and it did not
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: work for Pabo Lopez is it's solid stuff, but he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: more of a control based pitcher, and just like it
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: took him a while to unwind that. I think into
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and then the injuries start cropping up.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm still interested, I think a little bit in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the long run, but I'm not going to put too
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: many eggs into that basket just because he is going
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to be thirty, you know, thirty one when he gets back,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and you never know how these surgeries can go when
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you're starting to get a little bit more advanced in age. Yep, Okay, Well,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: we do have I mean one bit of baseball card
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: news that I just want to hit it is that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: we are speaking on Wednesday, February eighteenth, so it is
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: release date for Top Stadium Club. This is the first
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: time since we've been doing the pod that we haven't
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: had a full show dedicated to Stadium Club because they've
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: massacred our boy. I will say on this release it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: has been brutal. I mean, I've been seeing some of
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the boxes get posted on Reddit. It's been rough, especially
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: considering when people pre ordered this product, they were not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: originally told up front that they were cutting a hit
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: from two hits and a poppy box down to one hit.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And then on top of it, you also have cut
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: all the chrome parallels out where you can and see
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that the massive print runs that happened on twenty twenty
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: six Series one certainly impacted Stadium Club because they were able.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: They went and dedicated resources for twenty six Series one
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to the printing and left Stadium Color behind, which scares
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: me because a couple of years ago they were gonna
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: cut this product outright, even though it is hugely popular
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the hobby that like, I have nary run into
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a person that has anything bad to stay about Stadium Club,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: But like, what are they trying to do here? And
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what is your level of disappointment Stadium Club?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm very very disappointed. It is a
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: fantastic product. You're looking on card autos, you look in
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: amazing photography, Like the inserts are almost always good, Like
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the parallel is questionable sometimes, like they're just changing loco
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: colors and things, but like overall it is just a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like if you're going to open packs like and just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: like enjoy it and take it in. This is a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: fantastic product, like and is there's nothing like a product
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that you go through and you look at all the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: pictures and you're like, is this a variance? Is this
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a variant? Like because all the pictures in the photography
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: are so good, so it's a clean cards. I love
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Stadium Club, but losing the chromes, losing the hits, the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: price hasn't really changed, Like it's like they tried a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: different way to bump up the print run and not
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: let you catch it versus what they did in ever
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the product, which is just at a ton of pails
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: because you can't just do that in the stadium. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I'm worried what this means for Stadium Club. I can't
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: see them getting rid of it because I think they
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: know better, But it seems like they have deprioritize Stadium
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Club if if anything.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I think on top of it too,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like I'm very, very lukewarm on the actual design of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it this year that it looks a little bit like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a like a museum club like design that they left
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: behind on the cutting floor. It just it just looks
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a little too formal for Stadium Club. For me, that
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Stadium Club always strikes like being a part of the action,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: being really close to the game, trying to like be
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a big time fan. And there's a little bit of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: whimsy I think in that where it feels like they
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: carved it out at this twenty twenty five Stadium Club
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: on top of it coming out in mid February of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the year after that, usually it was a winter or
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: fall release. It really varied just because of the way
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that they've been scheduling and rescheduling Stadium Club over the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: past couple of years. So I'm disappointed. I'm a little
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: bit worried about what it means for a stadium Club,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm also maybe holding out a grain of hope
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that Tops and FiNext hear the feedback on this, realized
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that they got it maybe a little bit over their
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: skis on printing Series one and all the basketball cards
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and bring back Stadium Club to its final glory. If not,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: consult us, we'll help you out. We're right here, Tops. Okay, Well,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: with that, we're gonna wrap up this news and Notes section.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a small break. We'll be back
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: on the other end with our guest Marty Tallman from
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Rotoballer to previl preview the Al Central. As he is
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a Detroit Tiger, san knows it very very well. All right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: welcome back to everybody. We're going to get right into
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: our Ale Central preview and to preview this Let's just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: call it a rough division because as we do these
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: divisional previews every year, there's always one that kind of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: stands out as the odd child, and I would say
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that the Al Central is that win this year, not
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that this is an odd child. Marty, you are a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: great man, Marty Tallman from Rotoballer joining us here. How
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you doing tonight, Buddy.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Doing great, Michael, Thanks for having me. Yeah, excited to
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: talk baseball. We were talking offline. You know, it's finally
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: getting a little bit warmer here in the Midwest as
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: we've been sitting in our homes calming through fangrafts and
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: auction calculators and doing drafts and all that different type
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of stuff, and it's fine. Only almost draft season, so
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I'm excited.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm sure I'll find you in a draft
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: room because you and I have faced off in many
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a league of just other fantasy dinzen's out there, so
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll find each other again in RAZ SLAM
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: or TGFBI or something like that. So if you're not
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: familiar with Marty's work at Roto Waller, you are also
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: from Detroit. You hail from Detroit, so that's why you're
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: joining us here on the AL Central. You've got great
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: insight to all these teams. Let everybody know where they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: can reach you on socials and anything else that you
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: might want to promote.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Suh. Yeah, you can reach me on accept Marty underscore Tallman,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: and my work right now primarily is at Roadaballer. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: actually just published an article recently going through like mid
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: to late round draft targets, and I'm actually going to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: talk about two of them today because they fit right
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: into our discussion. But yeah, if you have any questions
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: or comments or anything like that, always feel free to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: reach me.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, yeah, that is a perfect marriage with this podcast.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: What we're going to do here for the ALE Central
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: preview is we are going to go through each team
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and each offer up a buy and sell based on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: current ADP from NFBC data. We're working from just about
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: January first through today as we're speaking here on February eighteenth.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Given that, though some caveats as we've gone over the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: past few weeks in these divisional previews, closers are going
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit inflated in the FBC environment,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but I think that's starting to reflect prices a little
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: bit better as we've gotten into this divisional previews more
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and more, and then some of these injury guys, like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a big one we'll talk about with Pabo Lopez. He's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: obviously going to be a pretty easy cell considering he
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: went down with that UCL injury. With all those caveats,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: we also love to do this with live surprises, so
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: we don't know each other's picks before we get into this,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and we're just going to comb through the Ale Central.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to go alphabetically, starting with the Chicago White Sox.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Not because you know they're kind of the team that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I like to promote here and talk positively of their
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: offseason moves. I know, Brew, you haven't been exactly the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: biggest fan of me doing that over the past few months,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but because this is there one exactly, yes, but this
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is how I organize my baseball cards. I go by
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: division and then alphabetic ley by team. Let's get into
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: these White Socks. They're coming off of a better year
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: than that bleak twenty twenty four, but they did once
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: again finish last in the division, going sixty to one
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: oh two. I will say that like this is an
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: intriguing lineup because it is very very young. You've got
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Austin Hayes and Andrew Ben and Tendy. Both of them
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: are just over thirty. Austin Hayes at thirty and Andrew
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Ben and Tendy at thirty one. They're the elder statesman
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of this lineup, as everybody else in the lineup is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: twenty six or younger. The big acquisition in the off season,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: we actually saw a big acquisition from the White Sox.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: They dip their toe in spending on some international play
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with Mundataka and Murray Kami coming across, who should be
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: slated as the everyday first baseman. They also traded Luise
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Robert for Louis Anhelacuna Junior or Louis Robert Junior for
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Louis on Hunkcunya. And then they added a few pictures
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that I alluded to. So you got Anthony Kaye joining
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the squad Eric Fetti. You've also got Sean Newcomb. They
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: traded for Jordan Hicks, and they've got Sir Anthony Dominiez
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: holding down the back and in that bullpen. So I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think it'll be a little bit of an up barrow
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for the White Sox. I'm just intrigued by this young team.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So with all those setups here, Marty, who you buying
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: from the Chicago White Sox squad because there's a lot
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of opportunity in Chicago.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is. I mean, this happens a lot with
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: teams that obviously aren't aren't very good. A lot of
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: their players fall even though they're going to be playing
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: all the time. So but that doesn't really showcase my guy,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this is Sir Anthony Dominez. So for me, once he signed,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: it opened up another path to another reliever, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: after the big ones go. So he's going about the
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: eleventh round in a fifteen team league. He's the undisputable closer.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: He was paid twenty million for two years, which I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: think was I would call that kind of an overpay,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: but I mean it's the White Sox. I guess you
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: have to really entice someone to come there, So I
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: guess I understand that. But last year thirty percent strikeout
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: rate across sixty three innings. You know, he's had saves
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: before eleven and twenty twenty four and really back in
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the day with the Phillies in twenty eighteen he had sixteen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: But the biggest thing that sticks out to me is
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: his arsenal. You know, he has four pitches. You know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: for a relief pitcher, that's very rare. You know, a
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: one fourteen stuff plus. He averages ninety five on the fastball,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: but he can get up to ninety eight if he
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: needs to. He has a good sweeper, a good split finger.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: They both had a forty nine percent with rate. He
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: can be wild. He's an eighty four location plus and
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: he looked at a strikeout rate it was double digits
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: last year. But it's it's an undis suitable closer that
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you don't have to waste, you know, one of your
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: first five rounds on. You know, he could be your
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: RP two in a fifteen team league and you're good
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to go. It's at a good I like his price
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very fair. As we've gotten into
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: these previews, I've been very lukewarm on a lot of
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the RP two options, and I think, Sir Anthony Dominguez,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: what you're looking for in an RP two and in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: my book, is steadiness as well as floor like, there
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: is nobody else in this bullpen in Chicago, especially with
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that contract they gave Dimingez I think is coming for
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that job. I don't know if I'm quite in with
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the Siko that went the men pick on eighty eight
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: for s Anthony Demingez in the FBC data right now,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that's maybe a little bit rich for my taste, But
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I think you can build around a bullpen with him
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: as your sp or RP two brew. Who are you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: buying from the White Sox?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's a ton of opportunity here. There's a
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: lot of guys that I do like, but I'm I'm
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: gonna go across I was across the pond, can I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: say that? And I'm gonna go with Munataka Murakami. I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna get the big name in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: this offseason, and actually a lot of people did. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: then lots of concerns with his ability to hit you know, fastballs,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and how he's gonna translate and all that, and he's
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: dropped significantly in ADP. He's in the two current ADP
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: is two twenty two. And for a guy that's like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: your fifteenth third basement off the board and will have
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: third base and first base eligibility and could potentially hit
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: thirty five home runs from that spot, I'm I'm taking
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the gamble, Like I'm just not too concerned that he's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: not the term. The power is not gonna translate. He's
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a strong guy, he's a talent hitter. He's gonna figure
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: things out. And if I'm wrong, it didn't cost me
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that much. And so I look at the upside at
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that potential, and you're not finding that level of upside
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of a guy that's gonna play every single day, have
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: multipositional eligibility, and like I know, I said thirty five homers,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: but he could legitimately hit forty or forty five if
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: he like translates truly what he was doing over an
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: MPB to the MLB. So I think Maurakami is a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: great buy at this at this cost because it's not
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: really gonna really hamper your draft, and at this point
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a low average is going to be palatable. So I
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like Markami. I think he's gonna do good things. It
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: might take a little time to get off the starting
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: blocks as he adjust but it should be a pretty
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: pretty easy buy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Yep. I actually consider Murakami as my buy for a
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: lot of those reasons. And I mean, I think the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: market it's been scared by that contact rate in Japan,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: but he's locked into an everyday job at the White
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Sox that injuries, I think the only thing that's going
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to prevent him from playing every day, And that's exactly
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I think what you wanted from Murakami. The bigger worry
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is if he had signed with a contender where they
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: could have had him be in a platoon or ride
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the pine. If things are struggling, there's nothing to stop
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: him from the White Sox from rolling him out there
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: every day and letting him figure it out. And maybe
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: just even if it is with a pretty low batting average,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I think he could be mid thirties homers. So I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: think this is a great pick.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Marty.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think about Murakami given the just real
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: different polar opposites of takes you see on him.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I look at his ADP, so, I'd
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: like to put it in the context. So if you're
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: looking for let's say, you know, a third basement, potentially
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: first basement down the road or corner infielder Caleb durban
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Is in that area, Jose capiiro Addison Barger and Esak Cretis,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: It's easy for I mean, I see in Markami's that
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: to me really stands out as far as having the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: highest ceiling, you know, so it's unless you need steals,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: you know where he's going. I think it's great, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's funny when you look at his his
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: fan grafts page and he has a seventy seventy for
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: power or gain power seventy seventy and then raw power
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: eighty eighty. So I mean, that's that's just exciting, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: if you can get him in a fifteen team league,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you know, as your corner infielder. I think he did
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: a really good job. But just in case, you're going
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to have to be ready for build, you know, you're
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: gonna have to have several high batting average guys to
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: kind of offset that in case he does, you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: flirt with the Mendoza line. You know, that's not impossible
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: with those contact rates. But overall, I love the buy
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of upside.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me, give me a Joey Gallow coup, like
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in All the Good and Bad with Joey Gallow, Like
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what I see here. Maybe the diet version,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: little less walks, little less strikeouts, a little better average,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: but in all things considered power and that's about it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: All right, I've got a different buy, So mine is
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: going to be Chase. My draft the second basement right now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So the big reason here is it almost is a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: little bit mirrored to murraw comedy that my draft is
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: set up to be the starting second basement and Hit
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: at the top of this order currently has an ADP
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: of three thirty seven average in the NFBC data, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I just love him as a great volume based am
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I option. I don't think I think you're looking at
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a pretty solid bat average something like to sixty ish
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe even upside from more because he is a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: contact maven. I think that in his first taste in
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the majors last year A twenty three, he held his
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: own enough. But like you can see, he got pretty
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: good rate stats as he came through the miners with
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the red Sox and white Sox. Also just has a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: really crazy good eye. So even if he like he
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: does have a really terrible barrel rate, and he has
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like a lot of Nico Horner traits. And I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we've even talked about this in last year's previews brew,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: where you and I have not been the biggest Nico
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Horner fans, but only because of the price that Like,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: when you get somebody like this that is high contact,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: lots of runs at the top of a lineup, can
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: put up a decent batting average for you play m
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I and is pretty much free Towards the end of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the draft when you're rounding things out, I love it
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: should come with second in shortstop eligibility. I think you're
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: looking at him being able to push fifteen plus steals,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and I think all the are just low on him
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: across the board. You they're not really projecting him for
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: more than one hundred and twenty five ish games. When
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you bump that up a little bit more to like
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: one forty one fifty, which my draft would do. If
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: he can stick in that second base job, then you're
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: starting to see the runs really pick up into like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the eighties. You're starting to see the stolen basis pick up.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be an easy win all
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the spots if you take my draft at is draft cost.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You can notice I do think this is skip all
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of his savant page because it is nasty, but it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a volume based am I play.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's a volume, And these are the kind of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: guys that you want to draft in your ale only leagues,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: your deep roster leagues like that. Just when you get
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to these really thin free agent pools, a guy like
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: this you just have on your bench or your middle
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: infield or something like that. Well, the volume is what plays,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and so I'm okay with it. I know you love
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: these kind of guys. I'll take a little more upside
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: somewhere else, but I don't have a problem with it
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: as a buye.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, Marty, who you selling from the White Sox?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say last thing on Chase, Oh yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: really good Draft Champions pick. I think he's the perfect
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Draft Champions pick, just to have somebody you can plug
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: him there you expect to play, you know, most games.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But what is funny when you look at the ADP
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the guy closest to him going next to the luis
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: An Hill Acunya. So who would you rather have?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Michael?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I will take my draft. I have faith in my draft. Also,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: sticking like my draft has a slick glove, so he's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: going to play second base. Akunya like he doesn't have
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the same sort of glove, And like I think my
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: draft's eye at the plate is something. Honestly, this is
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: what we wanted Nick Madrigal to be. He just never
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: quite like worked out in Chicago. But like, this is
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: what you were looking at, somebody who puts up a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: solid batting average, great eye, good defense place. But let's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: get into those cells now, Marty, who you selling?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: So this is the guy actually had a lot last
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: year in DC's Colson Montgomery. I gotta sell him this year.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: High strikeout rate, low contact rate, that's always bit his
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: m but the fact that he doesn't steal bases on
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: top of that. So when you're looking at your middle
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: infield position at that point, you need a Byron Scott.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: You're a brycele Skuy like. You need somebody who's gonna
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: get your fifteen to twenty stolen bases, because if you're
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: not getting that from your middle infield position, you are
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: falling behind. Now, unless you've got a third basement like
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you know Mike hel Garcia. He fills in and gives
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: you those steals at third base. But for the most part,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to find somebody that can get you
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: fifteen twenty bags, and that's just not going to happen.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: From Montgomery plus the you know, the teen contact obviously,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: you know he's gonna be hitting. I assume sixth seventh
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in that order. Correct me if I'm wrong. Twenty nine
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: percent strike out rate, thirty two percent with rate under
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: seventy percent contact rate, and then there's Xander Bogarts who's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: going right after him. And it's just there's no way
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that I'm taking Montgomery over Bogarts. Bogarts had a two
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: sixty seven XBA. He only strikes out seven teen percent
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: of the time. He's thirty three years old, which is
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: an ancient you know, I think we because of his contract.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I think we don't think he's as good a player
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: as he is. He's been pretty consistent as long as
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: he stays healthy. He still expected to play every days.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And I project Bogarts for about fourteen fifteen home runs,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen steals, bat in like two sixty and that
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to me is a lot more value than Montgomery.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. It's the approach at the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: plate scares the living daylights out of me with Montgomery,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and it just feels like the league didn't quite get
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to adjust to him from that hot start in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: seventy one games you just watch it live. There are
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: holes all over that swing, and so I'm worried. Brow
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: what do you think about Montgomery? We haven't really ever
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: talked about him too much because he kind of like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: rose through the ranks of my waiver wire pieces last
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: year too quickly and never cracked the top one hundred
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: hitters for you. So he's kind of in that blind
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: spot for us.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of an enigma. Like it's one of
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: you look at the stat line, You're like, man, young,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: up and comer, this guy's gonna mash. You just got
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to figure out for average. But you're right, there's just
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: holes all over it. And it's not even that that
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: profile that I liked. There's like if the guy just
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: learns a little bit of plate patients, it's gonna take off.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Like he's got holes in like the actual swing itself,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Like it's not always power, it's not always good contact.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It is very much questionable contact plus a very questionable approach.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So I he was like one B to my one
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: A cell. I was right there. I just like, there's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: enough youth there. I'll maybe give it a shot against
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the guy I had. But either way I'm not gonna
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: own him, So I have zero problem with that. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: just finished my top one hundred rankings just a few
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: days ago, and I didn't even consider him. I wouldn't.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: There was like a where's the at in the next
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: like I like, he wasn't on the page at all
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: for any consideration, even though he hit, you know, twenty
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: one homers last year.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Year. He's got one believer out there mid pick of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: thirty seven. That guy lives half and there. Yeah, that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: guy lives right next to rate Field on this outside.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Whoever picked that guy? Okay, who's yourself? From the socks.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to sell an the guy that's going
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: not too far back there from Montgomery, and it's gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: be Miguel Vargas. I'm gonna sell Vargas from a perspective
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of like he is what he is, one hundred and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: three eight games last year, sixteen homer, six steals, two
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: thirty four average. Pencil it in again. He this is
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: like the laziest flyball profile that's out there, Like the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: launch angles like twenty two to twenty three percent. He's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: hitting flyballs at like a fifty percent rate, but he
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't hit it terribly hard, and so it never like
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: if the wind's blown out, it kind of kind of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: makes it out. But that's just begging for a low
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: average and he's just not going to drive it enough
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: runs at that perspective. So he's always been a guy
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that's been like a I'm gonna have a quad a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: label where he's really really good against that next level
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: down of pitching. I just don't think he's fit it
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: out and has enough power to actually make it matter
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: playing you know, first, third base corner infield position. So
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I'm out in Vargas. I just don't see enough upside.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I don't see a talent, you know, improvement coming here
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in an adjustment. He just isn't strong enough to be a
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty homer bat, which is what i'd want,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you know, for this kind of guy with a low
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: batting average profile.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all fair. On top of it, too,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: hands made out of stone, Like it's gonna be tough
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: at third base. It always has been for Vargas. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: this is actually a team that like has a ton
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of infielders, and I think if Vargas is not putting
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: up a great WRC plus and is playing poor defense.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: They're going to find a different role for him because
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the other problem is he can't move to first now
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: with Maura comun in town. So, Marty, what's your take
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: here on on Miguel Vargas.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I do like that his strikeout percentage is down to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: seventeen point six and that was over five hundred and
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: sixty nine played appearances. So the recognition is there. What
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I was trying to get down to, I don't know
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: if you guys know, is contact rate off the top
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: of your head, but I don't have any of him.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Let me see, it's eighty four percent. So the contact rates,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: So I mean he.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Just doesn't hit hard. Yeah, he swings slow. He swings slow,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't he doesn't make solid contact twenty fifth
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: percent of bat speed ex velocity is forty six percentile.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: He just he doesn't make quality contacts. He makes contact,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: he just it's not useful.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Interesting, well, twenty six years old. So yeah, I could
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: see if you have ten teams, you take a flyer
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: on him in a DC, you know, But if you're
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: doing a standalone league or it's your home league, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: would stay away from. I'll put it this way. I
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: don't have him anywhere, so clearly I'm not a believer.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I have eight teams already this year, So there you go.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well that's a that's a ringing unendorsement. So
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: my cell here is Lenine Sosa. So just kind of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: selling all the kind of fringe infielders that the White
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Sox have. And mostly I think this is people see
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: those twenty two homers from last year and they think, oh, yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: with the White Sox, he's got a locked in job.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Go check that roster resource. He is not starting right now.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: On top of I think it's gonna be tough for
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: him to crack back into that starting rotation. This is
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a guy who is barely a second division starter. He's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a better bench piece I think, and got squeezed or
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: like called into action really last year for the White
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Sox to be able to play enough to get to
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: twenty two homers. But another guy with a brutal glove.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: He's older than you'd think, he's twenty six, and it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: just there's lots of talent coming on the infield in
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Chicago as well, as you know, the new regime doesn't
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: quite have the ties to Lenine Sosa that the previous
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: one did, so I could see Lenin and Sosa just
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: kind of getting totally squeezed out of this team overall.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And given where his draft pick is right now, it's
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: three sixteen overall, so you know, it's still like a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: piece where people are counting on him for a bench
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: or maybe even a CI or an AM. I I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: think the bottom is really really low on leaning Sosa,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm selling him.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: This is an easy sell. I mean if you just
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: look at it, like one of the worst played approaches
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in the game. His chase rate last year was forty
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: one percent, Like there is zero pitch recognition there, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: he's he swings almost as much out of the zone
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: as he does in the zone. Like it's it's just
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: toss it up there and hope for the best. This
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: is a guy's slider's best best approach here. So yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: easy cell.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: He'd be awesome on the Rockies. I'd love him on
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the Rockies.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: See you love anybody on the Rockies. That's the that's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the You love any cast up and put them on
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the Rockies. They're gonna be the next the next al
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Pool Holes over there for you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's get into the Cleveland Guardians their next alphabetically.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: This is the team that won the division last year
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: with an eighty eight and seventy record and then lost
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: in the first round to the Detroit Tigers, who they
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: edged out for the Division Crown. I don't get Cleveland personally,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like this is such a strange team. It's a smart
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: front office, but like, if they could just spend a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: little bit of money every year, they could easily be
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: taking this division and building more around Jose Ramirez, because
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: otherwise I'm looking at this roster. They didn't add squat,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: so they brought in Sean Armstrong to hold down a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: set up role in the bullpen, But otherwise they're just
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: running it back on offense, and this was not a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: good offense last year. So we might get some more
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Chase the Latter mixed in. That would be the quote
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: unquote acquisition here. But we all know Chase the Latter's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: history of injuries, and they're good at pumping out pitchers.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: But I do feel like that's kind of the league
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is starting to catch up to Cleveland a little bit more,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and it feels like some of the guys that have
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: been produced recently out of this system. They're good big
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: league arms in terms of real life baseball, but from fantasy,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's been a little tougher to find the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: diamonds and the rough in Cleveland with all those parameters, Marty,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: who you buying from the Guardians?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Well, and just looking at their roster overall, like their lineup,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: it's oddly enough, there's only one player or two players
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: that are severely under the you know, one hundred WRC plus,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: so they're actually projected pretty well, which is just I
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: guess they utilize the platoon you know, very well for
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a team. But yeah, that's that's pretty crazy. But anyway,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: my buye is Joey Cantio, you know, the southpaw thirty
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: percent strikeout rate at Triple A last year, he comes
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: into the majors twenty seven percent strikeout rate in the
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: three sixty nine Sierra and that was across ninety five innings,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: so it's not like it was just you know, twenty
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: or thirty. There was you know, he was on the
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: on the roster for a while. One oh one stuff
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: plus ninety seven location plus and a ninety eight pitching plus,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: so nothing's nothing really sticks out there. But he also
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: put in perspective of where he's going. So if you're
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: looking for one of your last arms, maybe in a
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: twelve team league, you know Connelly early is around him,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Roki Sazaki, Quinn Priester. From what I saw last year
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: and just the fact that the league overall has trouble
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: hitting lefty's, I think that you would be able to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: use Cantio in a way where you picked the appropriate
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: matchups and I think it'll be be able to get
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Out of them. Yeah. I think it's also very know
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: your league here too, because I will throw the caveat
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that the most innings that he's ever thrown in the season,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it was just about last year, around one hundred and twenty.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, Cantillo's bounced between the rotation and the bullpen,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: but has a rotation spot right now. Should get to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: double digit k's. Write him while you got him, especially
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: if like you're in a league with waiver wires and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: if you know, things end up being where he's got
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a rest or to shift back to the bullpen at all,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you can find a different way. But I think you're
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: good for a couple of months off the bat, So
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's a solid.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Buy, especially when it's cold outside in Cleveland.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you can't beat that. We're gonna get
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: into that with your Tigers for sure. It's one of
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: my favorite spots to attack brew. Who are you gonna
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: buy from the Guardians?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I'll yea. I really struggled buying from the Guardians. Actually,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I struggled with his division in general. Maybe there's a
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: few teams it was a little bit easier, But I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy Kyle Menzardo here, and I'm gonna say
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: it's there's not a whole lot of deep analysis in
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: this one. It's like the guy's got a pretty pretty
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: linkedy swing. He does tend to hit the ball pretty hard,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: not all that frequent, and that ballpark seems made for him.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Beyond that, that's about the analysis I got of this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Like I'm looking for some growth. I think, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: he's still you know, just twenty five, so I think
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: he has the potential to keep like taking another gear. Really,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: last year was really his first just full full season
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: in the BIGS, and he looked relatively comfortable, and so
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the twenty seven homers it doesn't feel too far off
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: for me. I think it's he's probably twenty five homer bat.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe he gets lucks into to thirty, he's still probably
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: gonna hit two thirty to thirty five and he's but
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be in the middle of that lineup. So
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I'm I look at more of that volume play and
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a good probably corner infield option. I'm not hoping that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: he's my starting first baseman by any means, but like
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I said, it just it's kind of the eye tests
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: with Menzarto. It feels like a good swing. I can
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: see it continuing. The stat cast doesn't look great, some
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: of the other rates don't look fantastic or anything like that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's just the volume play in the lineup position.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we've talked about it repeatedly throughout the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: previous season that that back end of first base is brutal.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: But I think this is one of the gems you
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: can find. Just looks like he's got a full time
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: gig and you can see some upside I think with Manzardo,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: So I like it. What about you?
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: That was my very weak bye by the way, very
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: weak by. You couldn't tell.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I mean, it is going to be.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: We'll get into this a little bit with but like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to find a sell as well.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit like when we were talking the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Cardinals last week. There's two players going in the top
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: one fifty on ADP and it's Jose Ramirez and Kate Smith,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of Cleveland love in the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: draft data. But Marty, what do you think about Kyle Mazarto.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I had Manzarto a lot last year, so I got
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: to take advantage of those home runs. I am worried
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: and this happened a lot. They do platoon him, so
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: against lefties he slashed one eighty six, two fifty three
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: four nineteen he had five homers. So it's in what
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: ninety five played appearances, which is pretty good. But yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: unless he unless he hits a home run, you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: he's not going to be able to get a hit
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: offf a lefty. So unless he proves improves in that,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be sticking around four or five
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: hundred played appearances. But you can't argue with the power,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: especially at that point. I mean eleven point eight barrel percentage,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: four forty three x slug he's gonna be you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: they gonna be playing most days in four to fifth
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: in that lineup. It's good for ADP.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: He makes me think of your of your Detroit Tiger's
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: carry Carpenter right, he is a similar type of thing.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Was like, guy hits guys there middle lineup. He has
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: split issues galore, but otherwise it's fun to watch. So yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's it's a soft soft buy for me.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: So Cooley working Manzaro. I was gonna say, if you
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: can coustuh adjust Manzarto's contact rate closer to carries, then
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: he'd be really good.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, I mean I like Manzardo. So
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I think you guys have hit all the major points
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: that it's a it's a solid buye for me. That
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I haven't gotten him anywhere, but I've considered him and
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: just kind of gone a different route in that part
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: of the draft. Usually all right for my buy, I'm
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: going right back to that, am I. Well, I'm going
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Brian Rochio. So if just in case, you've got somebody
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: else in your league who is a big Cards and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Categories fan and just her my glowing praise of Chase
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Mydrath and snaked you you can wait it out because
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Rokio is going even later. It's average pick around four
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: to ten, also second base, shortstop eligible. But this is
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the type of profile where I've talked about over the years,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Like guys that have great gloves and play every day
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: in the major leagues and finish off their development as
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: hit hitters just are always intriguing options, and I think
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Rochio has joined that group. You can kind of see
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: it in his breakdown where the first half was historically brutal,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the only reason he was playing was for his glove.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: A forty nine WRC plus in the first half, but
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: it turned around in the second half as a ninety
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: four WRC plus, a much more palatable two fifty seven,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: three thirteen, three seventy six line that'll actually play it,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: am I, And this is guy who, honestly, he could
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: do what my draft can do, but maybe a little
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: less batting average. But you've got upside as well, because
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you've seen that level of growth in the second half.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: It did seem like when I was watching games down
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the stretch in the second half, he was a lot
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of like the charge and that offense in Cleveland, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily like hugely Babbitt Field. It's another guy
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: who Yes, don't check out that stat cast page and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: unless you want to be left icy cold, but it's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: a volume play. Nobody's coming for short stop. I think
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland for him nice little upside in terms of
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: stolen bases. And I think he's a great option, especially
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: in super deep leagues ale only DC options that you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: can feel comfortable putting him on your roster and having
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a nice little piece to move around your middle infield spots.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna call it now. I'm nominating first
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: round or draft on Sunday. So you because I want
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to see you put your money where your mouth is.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I like you're going deep on this one. You've been
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: doing too much your waiver wires. I'll let you keep
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: keep Roko here, would you you? You lost me at
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: He had a great second half of the nine ninety
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: four of URC plus. So I I I understand the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: volume play. I just I think I can get that
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: volume play play elsewhere. So I'm going to disagree with
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you just a little bit in this one. I think
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: you don't drank a little too much your own Coolidge.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's fair, yes, and it is. It
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: is a growth opportunity.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I've okay, I think the best way that it makes
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: sense for him is if he's your third second basement
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: in a DC. I think that's fine.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think yeah, but that'll that'll play, I think, so,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: uh cool, let's get into those cells, Marty, who you
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: selling from the Guardians?
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: So this is only because where he is Kate Smith, Okay,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: basis you and I we weren't we in a draft
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: in f pass.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: That is right? We actually are in a d C
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: from fes.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, So I took Mason Miller in the second round,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: which at that at that time it wasn't like one
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: hundred percent for sure that he was going to be
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: the closer, but he was going to be the closer.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I'd rather get Miller Diez Munos, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: uh Droan, you know, like I just rather just if
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going if I'm going to pay the premium, I'm
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: going to get who I think or you know, I
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: think there's a top four and so I'll just go
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: with there. And plus he's never been a closer for
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: a full season, and I don't trust the Guardians that
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: they don't trade him. Who knows, you never know what
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: they're going to do.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's all very fair. Yeah, I think that's
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it is a very steep price for him for a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: guy who.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Is really good though. I mean, he was great last year.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: But it's just I'd rather go with and not the
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: mentioning the teams are better too, you know, like the
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Guardians are probably gonna go five hundred that you're slightly
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: above it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very fair that. I mean Shawn Armstrong.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I did joke about him being like the only off
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: season acquisition, but he closed for Texas last year, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he's been good the last max years. Actually, yeah,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: they'll mix and match it in Cleveland. So I think
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: this is a it's just so rich, it's rich price
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: in terms of going in the middle of the second
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: or third round. That is a lot brew who you
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: sung from the Guardians.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna sell a guy that I've actually bought before,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna sell Tanner Biby.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I was here too.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it, but it's like the most average,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: boring profile and he doesn't strike out enough guys. He
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of the peripher Like he doesn't have like
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: a really good pitch, he just has a pitch mix,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: like a decent pitch mix where he's using a lot
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of different Uh, he's throwing the kitchen sink up there
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: to a degree velocity is not you know, it's every year,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: it's kind of come down. It's just a lot of
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: little red flags. And when you look at what else
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: you can have with that draft price we're talking I
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: think one seventy five ADP, like a few spots above.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Give me Tasio Imai, give me like McKenzie gore a
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: few rounds later. Like there's other guys that I like
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: have upside where I just don't feel like Bibby doesn't
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: have upside. He is downside might not be there either,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: like he is exactly like I don't look at the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: projection systems on there, but I feel like they're all
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: gonna be exactly the same, because you know, this is
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna strike out eight eight for nine,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: he's gonna walk two and a half for nine, and
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have a eur a round four and that's okay,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: maybe a get another DC pick. As far as the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: guy that's gonna pitch all season, but I think there's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: a lot better options out there, because I feel like
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: at this point in the draft, you're looking for upside
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: and I don't think Biby has it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's a lot of the reasons
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: why I'm in the boat. I'm selling him too, because
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: there's also just a factor when you're watching Tanner Biby,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you can tell that hitters are not terribly afraid of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: him when they're in the box, that there's a little
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: bit of that like intimidation factor that he's missing. I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: think it's just because he is so average and mid
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: across the board. He's a six foot two, so that
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't really stand out the actual kind of pitching motion,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and the arm slot never usually like stand out. I'm
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: gonna look up the armslot because I've never kind of
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like clock Dick, but I think it's probably gonna be. Yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: it's just like kind of right in the normal armslot
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: angle for people, and so there's no there's not a
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: lot of deception in there. It is a the stuff
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: plus metrics look great, and I think people think that
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: he can bounce back, but the fit match the a
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: er a last year and I think what we saw
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: out of tanner Byby last year is who he is.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: He's a four low fours pitcher. He is a one
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: to two whip guy, and I don't see much upside
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: because he just doesn't have the elite velocity or kind
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: of really elite fastball shape to be able to push
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: him to that next level. For me, it does sound harsh,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: but I will say it was hard finding a cell
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: on the Cleveland Guardians as well, So it's like, if
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I had to pick one, Bibey's not my guy.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the same way. I feel like these
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: first few teams, like I was like lukewarm on all
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: of my pick so like I don't there's no huge buys,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: no huge cells. I'll say the rest of the division,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I feel, I feel pretty good. I'm like, yeah, there's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: a buys, there's cells, the White Sox and Guardians and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: maybe to the point of not the best options from
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: an ADP perspective, we don't have a whole lot at
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: high ADP. There's just as much to men's words.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: On Okay, Marty, it's time for the main show. It's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: time for your Detroit Tigers. Here, who did finish second
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: but then came back and won that divisional series or
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the wild card series against Cleveland. Been a big off
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: season for the Tigers. I think the Tigers that had
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: one of the best off seasons probably in the majors
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: in terms of what they needed to fill and what
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: they've brought in. So they did bring back Labor Torres
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: to hold down second base maybe for now. They've got
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of talent coming through this minor league system,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: and they've also gone out and signed from Bert Valdez.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: They brought back Justin Verlander, they signed ken Lee Janssen,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: they brought back Kay Finnigan, And like I said, this
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: is minor league system is loaded. Pretty good chance that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: we see Kevin McGonagall really early this season. Good chance
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Max Clark makes it up to the big leagues this year.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: You've also got Tyra and Lronzo kicking around with Jose Personio.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: So there's lots of bats, lots of depth arms too.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: So like I like that because we talked about like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Detroit plays cold at the beginning of the end of
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the season, huge ballpark, you can find those matchups in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: this kind of very poor offensive environment al central. The
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Tiger's are my favorite for these for the division this year, Marty,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: who you buying from your.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Tigers labor Torres second base?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Fine two, Yeah, he.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Was in my most recent article that's out now for
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Rota Baller. I mean, so in this actually if Torres
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: his season was basically a mirror of what the Detroit
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Tigers season was. Torres the first you know, three four months,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: he was incredible, you know, he made all start team,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: and then at some point he got injured. He had
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: sports turnia surgery and had sports turning of injury at
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: some point in the second half, and he just completely
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: just spun out and he was terrible the rest of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: the season, including into the playoffs. So overall, though he
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: still had a three sixty three ex wOBA, that's in
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: the eighty ninth percentile. His profile is excellent. You know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: he really strikes out. He walks at one of the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: highest rates in all of the majors, you know, and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: he produced those numbers through a sports turn of injury.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: So you know, coming into for next season, I mean
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I project him for around eighteen home runs, eighty runs scored,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: about seventy RBI six to one bases I won bat
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: probably like around two fifty seven the two sixty, so
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: a good blend of average counting stats. He has a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: little bit of speed, you know, he's given has your
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: middle endfielder him giving you five bags, you know, maybe
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: up to ten. That's that's that's good enough. But when
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: you compare his first half to his second half, you know,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: I think he's somewhere in between there, which is a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: guy that's really really good for his at his ADP
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: and if you look at projections, especially ATC ATC has
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: has the eighth second basement overall, so it's you're getting
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: the steel all the way that you know down there,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: whereas ADP is.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, i mean, I'm right there with you. It's a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: weird market, I think on labor tors because I'm just
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: looking at our player Raider projections for twenty twenty six,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: because I mean he's been very almost like Marcel projectional
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: bold because it's pretty steady in terms of like hoving
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: around to two sixty average mid to upper teams. Homer's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: seventy five ish RBI and runs a piece you punch
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: that in on our player rader on RAS ball that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: in the top one sixty. Current ADP is two thirty
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: five on Labor Torres on top of first base being
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: real bad at the back end, second base is god
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: awful this year And if you want somebody can you
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: can put in and you know Glaber is going to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: play as long as he's healthy and just produce, set
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: it and forget at second base. With Glaber Torres that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: like I was surprised.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: It was like that.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Easy of a bright, shining buy. And when I was
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: looking through the ADP brow what do you think about Torres?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I know he's kind of boring, but it's like at
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: this price and for a second baseman, like come on,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: come on.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say I have a personal thing against
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Glabor Torres, just because I think I for so long
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: he was so overpriced as the Yankee that like I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: sold him for like five straight years. And now the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: fact that the price is like rectified and like it's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: actually the right value, I feel like I've not been
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: able to let go. So it's more of a personal
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: issue for me than actual analysis here. But I think
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that you're right like where he's going. The other guys
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: in that range, like there's just massive question marks, and
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I think you know what you get with Torres and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's what the where the value is. You
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: know what you're paying for and you're getting reliability. He's
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: not He's not gonna win your league, but he's certainly
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: not going to lose your league for you. And I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of value at that point
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: in the draft with that kind of m I type
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: of type of type of play. So I don't have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: a problem with it. I probably won't own him at
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: all because I still somehow think he's overvalued because of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the Yankee days. Again blind spot on my part, So.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Nearby from the Tiger's sign.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the nineteenth catcher off the board.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Dylan Dingler. I am a big fan of what he
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: could do last year in the second half one twenty
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: one WRC plus really struck out only twenty three percent
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: of the time. He had a pretty strong year at
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: the plate thirteen home ers, two seventy eight average. He's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: he's still gonna probably be towards the bottom of that lineup,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: but doesn't really have split issues. The other thing is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: he's a really, really good catcher, and so he's going
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: to be on the field for the most part and uh,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: from a catcher's perspective, his ninety seven percent of title
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: expected batting average. Now that's something you don't get at
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: that position. And don't get me wrong, that position has
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: revolutionized the last year, year and a half, and so
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more to be had. But I'm looking
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: at like nineteen catcher. I'm thrilled with this guy as
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: my as my number two in the two catcher league.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I'd be willing to take him as my number one
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: on the latter half of that and kind of roll
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: with it. So I really think there's a lot of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: upside here. I think this is a better lineup than
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: people are thinking go into the year. I think he's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: gonna make his way up the lineup as the year progresses,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna actually end up probably hitting I'll say,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: fifteen twenty homers e the RBI, hitting two eighty. I'll
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: take it all day at the catcher position.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: All right. I hate to break it to you. I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: mean it's a very very soft cell, but he was
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: myself because honestly.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I don't like you.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: I had a lot too.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, so yeah, I'll start off Marty, and
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: then you can get in I mean, like I said,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it's a very soft cell, Like I'm not very gung
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: ho on this, but there's just enough thing in the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: profile where I'm like, I think that second half was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the peak, and we saw a good hot streak out Dingler,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and I do worry, like the walk rate is low,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: it's below five percent for last year. You've also the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: big factor here, I think, is just who's coming behind him.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Tyrone Lorenzo is on the forty man Jose Brassino. I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's got the catching chops to stick
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and overtake Dingler, but I do think that Lorenzo could,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And so you're looking at there's just a lot of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: catching talent behind him. You also kind of look at
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: what happened with like the Jake Rogers career arc. It's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: almost like you'll forget that Dingler is twenty seven already
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: because he you know, really came on the on the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: scene last year, but it took him a while to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: get there. Jake Rogers went through like the same sort
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: of thing. It was a little more strikeout, a little
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: more power forward in his profile, but you know, got
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: it got nicked up. Dingler took over and never lost
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the job that you could see something maybe similar happening
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: to Dingler, where you know, gets nicked up, gets one
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: of those concussions. As a catcher, Loronzo comes up from
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: that forty man spot and never looks back. So I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: like a lot of what you said, but I think
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: there's just a little bit too much risk there where,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: especially if you're in a deeper league and then you're
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: trying to nail that catcher two pick where you need
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: something where there aren't maybe as many question marks. I'd
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: rather go a different direction because if you don't nail
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the catcher too, it falls off a cliff there after,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like the top like twenty five ish, and so good
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: luck trying to find somebody else from your wife for
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: wire or back into the draft. Marty, why are you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: selling Dalan Dingler?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: I actually really liked them coming into the season. I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: was all about him being my C two. I think
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: you know, the expected batting averages, like he said, through
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the roof, you rarely see that from the catcher position.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: He's gonna play every day. He's young, he's an excellent catcher.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: Watching him is actually a lot of fun. But he
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: had elbow surgery and they're easing him into spring training.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: So right now he's not one hundred percent. So he
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right elbow. Now it was
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: just addressing like irritation and discomfort, so it wasn't you know.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: It's more of a manageable situation than it is like
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: a huge, major operation. But I just don't like my
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: if my catchers. I don't want to catcher who's hurt
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: coming into the season because it's so hard already he's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: never played a full season and that and that's the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: only reason. If he was fully healthy, I would be
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I would be all about him being my c two.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: But I just I'm of him just because of the injury.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Moving forward, I'm not if he stays at the catcher
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: that he is, they're gonna they're gonna let he's gonna
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: play as much as possible. I'm not worried about him
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: being overtaken. Now d H may be overtaken and then
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: you know they kind of have to worry about that.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I think he's really really good. It's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: just I'm easing back until I hear he's one hundred percent.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: I just can't do it.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, we all know this podcast. I'm the guy drafts
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: the injured guys. So there's there's Marty that might not
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: know that much, but but like this is very much
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: on brand for me usually injured pictures, to be clear.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: But I'll make an exception here and there for a catcher.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you just like star star star like eyes.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Lighting up baby discount code right here? Where's my promo
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: code for a catcher?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, who you saw on from the Tigers? Then?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Brew, Well, I'm gonna sell a guy that I know
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: that I'm pretty sure you like, and that's gonna be
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Kenley Jansen. I'm gonna say, Kinley, he's scared of the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Jesus out of me as a as a closer. You know.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I I looked at the signing there as a token signing.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I was actually little surprised that they did make that signing.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: I like Kyle finneg a lot more than Kenley Jansen
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: and that closure role last year. I mean, literally every
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: indicator you could have for luck went Kenley's way, and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: then the skills dropped off like there. It just it
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: didn't work. And so that's where I'm I'm like I said,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I'm out on Janssen. Like I can cherry pick stats,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: but one ninety five baybip eight five percent left on base,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: lowest strikeout rate of his career, Like, those things just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: don't work, and the stuff took a step back, and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: so I'm I'm concerned. I can see that falling now.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: At the same time, they want to get him to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: five hundred saves, Like I feel like that's why why
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: they signed him, is just to get that celebration at
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: some point. So I feel like there's more job security.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: But I just every time I look at it and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it just feels like the wheels are gonna
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: fall off. I don't know when, but it feels like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: when they do, it's gonna be spectacular to watch. So
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: not in sorry Marty, not in a good way.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think I think the same way I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: did his. I did Jansen's his preview for roadaball Er.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: So when you if you go to roadaballer dot com
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: and you look it up, I'll have I have some
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: some words for him. I will vest in califin again
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: or breathing down his neck. The aj Hens already said
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: he gets the first nod.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I knew there was no way he wasn't gonna at
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: least start off the season as the closer. So it's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: his job until it isn't. He's twenty six saves away
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: from five hundred all the if you look, I mean,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: if you look at his stats last year, two fifty
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: ninety arrays zero point nine to five whip. But then
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: you go under the hood and you know, the strikeout
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: rate continues to go down. He had an eighty five
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: percent left on base percentage one ninety five bab P,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: so he got super lucky. And yeah, it's it would
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: be It's classic Tigers to get a relief pitcher at
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the back end of their career to watch them, you know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: kind of end their their career with us. But I'm
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: hoping it's not. If it is, I think will Ves
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: is the next guy up.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. Yeah, I think this is a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: fair self that like, I think this is also league
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: dependent because in a snake draft situation, this is certainly
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: too rich of a price for Kenley Jansen, and I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: think a lot of these other parameters we've talked about,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: You've got to find a different route for Jansen or
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I need a much bigger discount, but in something like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: an auction league, I'm in on Jansen like there, because
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: you can be able to mix and match and pay
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the price that you want and be able to like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: find the path to build your team. And so I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: don't mind him as a closer too, because of like
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I think he like you said, Bru, They're gonna let
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: him get to twenty five saves and then figure it out.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: So like, I think you can lock in twenty five saves,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: which is a lot more than you can say about
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: lots of other closer twos across the board right now. Okay,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: let's get to the Kansas City Royals here. So this
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: team is coming off of a third place division finish
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: at eighty two and eighty and it has been a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: let's say a little bit of an interesting offseason as
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: they maybe the biggest change they're doing in Kansas City
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: is pulling in the park walls, so both the left
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: field down the line and the right field down the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: line have been pulled in slightly to make it. It
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: was already a hitter's ballpark in Kansas City, which people
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: might not recognize, but it was more of like a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: double bulls Triples Singles Park because it's so huge, this
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: should help out and give us a couple more homers.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I think most people, when you know you're looking at
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: what the analysis was across the industry, was that you'd
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: maybe add a homer or to per a player. But
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that's certainly going to help you for your
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: vinning pass Quintinos and certainly Jack Cagliong could use it
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: after the rough season that he had in his rookie year.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: In terms of additions here in Kansas City, they've brought
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: in Isaac Collins and Lane Thomas. They have also traded
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: for Matt Strom to get into the back end of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: the bullpen botherwise pretty much running it back up and down.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: So it is a team that is young and up
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: and coming. Outside of sal Perez, everybody else in the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: lineup is under thirty, and it's a solid rotation running
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: it back with Cole Reagan's at the top and lots
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I think of intrigue in Kansas City. I'm just gonna
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: be a little bit of a dark horse, I think
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: in the vision overall, as they've kind of not been
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: in it as much. But I think the the ready
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: to take the next step personally, Marty, who are gonna
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: buy from the Kings City Royals.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I find myself getting Salvador Prez Okay, the old veteran catcher,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: more and more so than anybody. And it's specifically just
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: where he's going because I feel like he does have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: top five catcher upside still even at his age, and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: he's going outside it. I use either the seventh or
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: the eighth catcher off the board. So if I can
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: wait until like the sixth round in a fifteen team
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: league and get my c one, I know he's going
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: to play as much as possible. And we've seen over
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: the years that Kansas City is playing him more at
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: first base and they're dhing him more so, and then
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: as Jensen comes up, you know he may even see
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: those other positions more and more. So I think they're
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: gonna give him as much. They're gonna be as easy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: as they can on him to let him still play
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: every day. I mean, last year he had a five
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: thirty x lug. You know, he's striking out less than
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: twenty percent of the time. He's gonna accumulate a bunch
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: of counting stats hitting fourth or fifth in that lineup.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: I think he's still good for a thirty home run season,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: and yeah, that's it's that's the guy. I have the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: most stuff. I catch it right now.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: In our league that we are at, they are falling.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: He's my c one.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, nice. Yeah, the power is legit. I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: think it's the age. Might scare you off when you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: see it on the page, but I mean twenty five
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: thirty homers in the bank.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I looked at him like I wanted to sell, just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: like it just felt like the wheels are gonna fall off.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: And I dig in and I'm like, he's gonna play,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: He's gonna his homers. He's like, he's gonna be the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: same guys. There's nothing wrong with it. And I think
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: as the catcher position is kind of elevated with some
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: of these young guys coming in, like he's this afterthoughts
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: like it, but he's the same guy. So it's it's, yeah,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I have no.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Problem with this one. Brow who you buying?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: All right? So I'm gonna go on brand. We know
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to and you know exactly this, and because
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: you you've played this game before, I'm gonna buy Chris.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Bubach because I was gonna say Reagan's I thought you'd
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: go to the well.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: I will take him too, Don't get me wrong. If
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I could have a one two, I'll take the two
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: of them. But if you look at boobache from a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: eighty pe per sective, like it's it's laughable to eighteen
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: for a guy last year that had a two fifty
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: five e RA a strike out a guy per nine
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: and just he threw the kitchen sink at folks and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: he was hurt. Actually, he admitted that a lot of
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: the some throughout the season he was struggling with his
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: rotator cuff and that he impacted his performance. His performance
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: was pretty gosh turned good. And so yeah, I get it,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: he's coming off with an injury, but it's fully baked
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: into the price. It's fully baked in at this point
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: in time. And if you just look at the way
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: he throws and the and the underlying metrics, like this
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: is a guy that you know, I get the walks
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: jumped up a little bit last year, but the two
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: years prior, and I get those were the bullpen, but
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the walk rate was you know, like one and a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: half a walk per nine, Like it's just uncanny, and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: so I think there's a ton of love this profile.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Even if you're just banking on like half a season.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: He's gonna give you great ra ratios, he's gonna give
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: you counting stats. I think the team's gonna better than
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: people think, and so he's gonna get some additional wins.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm all on Buobach. I will take Reagans as
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: well if you if you give them to me, I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: just think the price for Reagans, I think that one's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit more reasonable, uh, considering the terrible luck
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: that he had last year. So I will take both
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: of those guys.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I like Bobach. I think he's actually almost
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: like my new Nathan Andovaldi going forward, where it's like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I'll take him at that price and a little bit
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: extra to bank, especially if you're in a waiver wire league,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: like absolutely in the DC, maybe like it's.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, DC, it's a it's a tougher, tougher sled
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: because like the injury risks is there, like and I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: he's he's you know, he's pitched a full season and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I say one time, and I'm like I'm stretching here.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Full season was like twenty seven games started, but it's
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: like only one hundred and thirty eight he's pitched, like, so,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I you know, he's not the guy for that, but
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: he's the guy for your daily, your weekly leagues, those
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: kind of things.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's also when I watch him pitch compared to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: what his stuff plus is, it's one of those where
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know, like it looks way
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: nastier than what it actually shows on the stuff plus page. Okay,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: well I've got a different buy here. This might be
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys coming into twenty twenty six.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I actually took him in our f Pass draft. Marty
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Tallman is Carter Jensen. I love this profile. You want
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: to see, like who could be the next Ben Rice?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: This is it right here. The profile is absurdly read
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: on the Savant page. And sure he didn't qualify within
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season, but he was doing it
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: at Triple A all year too. Whatever the Royals did
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: to tweak this swing of his last year it and
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I think he's about to just go on an absolute tear.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: He's my Rookie of the Year favorite in the Ale
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, and I think all the projections
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: are severely off on him that, Like you can just
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: see it in the stats from Triple A. They were otherworldly.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: He's got a great eye at the plate as well,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's Schwarbury in. You know, when you're
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: starting to get like he is gonna whiff a lot
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: because he's swinging real hard. But when you're actually got
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the good eye and know what to attack, look out,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I think you're looking at honestly, maybe right around like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: sal Prez numbers from Carter Jensen. I think he's gonna
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: be able to push thirty homers and play every day
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: because they've got no reason not to when he's gonna
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: swing a bat like he did last year. I think
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that all the projections are used to what he used
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: to be back in twenty twenty four, and they're not
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: given enough weight to those swing changes and approach changes
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: that he made in twenty twenty five. And I think
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: that the ceiling is really really high for Carter Jensen
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty six. One of my favorite picks,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be in your top one hundred. I guarantee
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you it's.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: It's a twenty game sample on that savant page. But
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, like it's it's pretty, it's pretty nice. It's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: it's pretty nice. So I do I think you're Ben Rice.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Comparison is a very fair one. I I'm not gonna
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: push him that strong here, but like, I love a
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: guy with play discipline coming of the minors. I love
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna walk, you know, ten to fifteen
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: percent of the time, control the strikeout rates, and just
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: has like that the floor really really improves. And that's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy that tends to get better over time.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: And he's still really young, so I think that there's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of upsight here. So I'm not put
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: him in the top one hundred yet, but yeah, there's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: a watch list that we talked about throughout the season.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be there.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Got it, Marty, what are you gonna do for your
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: cell in Kansas City?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: I want to say about Jensen's they Ria said, Kyle Schwarber. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how much they're going to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: play him at first, so that's kind of where he's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: I see him losing plate appearances, you know, maybe for
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: the first six weeks, but he had a this is
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: in the majors. Over those sixty nine plate appearances, he
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: had a twenty point eight barrel percentage, which would have
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: tied Kyle Schwarber for fourth overall. So to say he's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: Schwarberian is is pretty on, especially when he's walking thirteen
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: percent of the time. But yeah, I'm in on him.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Just maybe maybe maybe I'll try to trade for him,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: you know, a little closer. But it mind's Cole Reagan's.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: And it's not because Cole Reagan's isn't great. He is great.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: It's just you know, two Tommy John surgeries, left growing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: strain last year, left rotator cuff strain. He came back,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: he was lights out. But just for me, at that point,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: he's your sp one. I'd rather wait for Max Freed
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: or Freddy Peralta or Joe Ryan. I just feel like it's, say, now,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: if you're playing in one, you're like in a league
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: with like an overall, that's the guy you want to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: go for for sure, because the upside is crazy. I
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: mean when he came back, I got him in a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: tea g FI those last you know, a couple starts,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: and it was just I mean, he was he was incredible.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: So if you're able to take the take the plunge
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: and like a shallow league. I think it's fine, but
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: for the most part, I'd rather wait for something a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: little more stable.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's very built specific, it's risk tolerance specific.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: So I think it is it's a good call out
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: because it's like you need to know what you're doing.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: If you're taking Cole Reagans, he's you can't take Cole
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Reagans and then just like pencil in the stats and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: not look at the name that's giving you those stats.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It is very much you've got to play the rest
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: of your draft if you're gonna pay that price for him.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: So I think it's fair brew who you selling from
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: the Royals.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to the bullpen and I'm gonna
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: sell Carlos Estevez. I just I just don't, I don't understand,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: and like he's not the best pitcher in the bullpen
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and like it. It's like it's funny you look at
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: his results compared to Kinley's and it's almost like identical
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: as far as like, you know, the the k rate
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: dropped off the bay bip was unbelievable. His velocity was down,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have like luck from the left
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: on base perspective, but this is a guy with an
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: extreme flyball profile, and somehow the homers weren't leaving last
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: year even though he's like a career one to one
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: kind of guy. He was down like zero point seven
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: and he's had seasons like above two. Like it's just
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: not great. And I don't see how people don't tee
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: up on this guy. And so yeah, he's got the job, like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: but he might lose it in the first month. So
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just I don't see it. And the draft price
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: is like it's hefty, Like I'm just I it's not
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: even like I'm selling it just because I don't like him.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Like the draft price, he's eighty two ADP, Like that's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: that's scary. Give me, give me like Lucas Airsig or
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: somebody else like later and let's just see what happened.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: So cool. I'm sure you're right there with me for
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: all the same reasons.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it's Emilio Pagan, but without the strikeouts.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: It's it's a very high wire act. And especially when
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I was doing those rodal wire game blurbs last year,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like I got a lot of Royals games,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: and so I was always like tracking those forty two
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: saves that came for Estevez were not smooth. There was
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of saves in there where he was on
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: the precipice of bowling it. There were multiple dudes on
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: base he would I mean, the walk rate was three
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: per nine, the strikeout rate was seven point four per nine.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: It is not a great profile, and he really scared.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: He skated through the sixty seven games that he appeared
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: last season. But this is a guy who the everything's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: just ready for him to explode at any moment, and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: like you said, there's a great bullpen around him. So
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: if the Royals are in the thick of the race
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: and Carlos Estevez is keeping them from winning games in
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: what's going to be a tight ale Central, I think
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: they're gonna make the switch relatively quick because I mean,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: he is on an eleven million dollar deal, but like
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: that's not that rich.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: For a bold million dollars between friends.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, at this point that like it in
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: it's he's on the last back end of the deal.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: So like you know, I'm not really enthralled with what
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Estevez is gonna put up for you.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Marty, even in a draft standpoint,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: this is just overall draft strategy for this year. I mean,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: in the same area there's Austin Riley, There's Freddie Freeman,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: There's Jackson Maryland, hell Garcia, There's there's Dylan Cees, you know, Riley, Green, Bellinger, Valdez.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: My point is, if you get if you're gonna, if
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get a relief pitcher, invest in the top five.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: If you don't, just wait, you know, get your Peak Fairbanks,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: you know, get your your Santana. You know, it's it's fine,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: especially if you're in a fath league like It's, you're
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: gonna have to find somebody off the waiver wire at
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: some point. So I'm my goal is to get one
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: of the top five closers and then like a Fairbanks
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: or Santana and just leave it at that. Anyone in
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: the middle. There's just so much more opportunity with starting
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: pitching and you know, great hitters.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm totally there with you, all right, last
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: team of the division. This is I think one of
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: the fun things where we were talking with the Al
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: West where it's kind of strange that the H starts
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the alphabetical list. It's strange that the M wraps the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: end of the alphabetical list. Here With the Minnesota Twins,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I always note that when I'm like sorting my cards
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: and they are coming off of another tough season, went
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: seventy to ninety two, and I mean maybe like there's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: often that I thank god I'm not a Twins fan,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: because what a depressing run it's been since those kind
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of nineties championship runs that they put together. Because you know,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: they look like they've been close the an injuries kick
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: in and then the owners step back in terms of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the investment this off season. They also because of some
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: of the ownership situation, I think it also forced out
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Derek Falvey, who is a pretty good president baseball operations
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: in my mind. And then in terms of what the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: team is looking at, they just lost Pablo Lopez this week.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: The bullpen is a total mess. There is really not
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: too many dependable options there, and you're looking at maybe
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: thirty five year old Taylor Rodgers returning to close for them.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: The rotation is relatively disappointing. And then you've got a
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: lineup that there are acquisitions in the off season where
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Josh Bell and Victor Kartini. This is a team that's
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: actually projected to be just a tick under five hundred.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: So it's like another frustrating team like Cleveland where you
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: would hope that ownership would just spend a little bit
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: more to be able to push it and be able
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: to get this team back into contention. It doesn't take
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: a lot in the Al Central with all those caveats
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: laid out, Marty, who are you binding from this twin steam?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: It's funny, and I've said this before, I feel like
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: the AL Central, you know, the owners, you know, mister Ilich,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: you know everybody. They all got into a room and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: they're like, how about this, We profit most of it
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: and we'll you know, we'll spend about forty Everyone cool
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: with that because if you look the last decade, that's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: exactly what this entire like, the whole the whole division
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: has done that. It's it's just crazy. But anyway, Yeah,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: so I'm taking Matt Walner and I write about him
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: in my latest article as well. So, and this is
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: just overall with with drafting, and you're hearing it everywhere
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: that it's hard to find power late in drafts and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: that's true. It really is. So Matt Walner to me
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: represents like one of the last legitimate thirty home run threats,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: you know, outside obviously, like the early rounds. You know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: admittedly he has a very low floor, you know, and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: then I'll get into it. But last year he hit
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: twenty two homers. He slashed two o two three eleven
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: four sixty four. Obviously, the two oh two batting average
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: is a huge concern, but you go look his he
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: had a career low babbit, a two twenty eight babit,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: So it's that suggests he's probably more of a two
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: thirty two forty hitter. And then his plate discipline's improving.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: He walked it nearly a twelve percent clip. Last year,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: he increased his contact rate up to sixty seven, which
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: is still well below average, but he's still, you know,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: the trend is going upward. And then he also had
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: a thirteen point eight percent barrel rate. And his average
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: bat speed is seventy six point six miles per hour,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: so that's in the ninety six percent tile. So he's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: projected for a one to eighteen WRC. Plus. The biggest
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: thing is how many at bats should we expect from him,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: there's two things holding him back. Number one is health.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: You know, he's had a very hard time staying healthy
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: throughout his career, and he still cannot hit left a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: left handed pitching the cross four seasons, he's bad one
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: to eighty one against lefties with sixty three strikeouts and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: two hundred and five plate appearances. So pretty bad.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Then going back to the injuries real quick last year,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: left hamstrain, hamstring strain, write oblique strain, and back spasms.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: And lastly, because I have to be honest with your
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: you know, with your listeners, he struck out twenty nine
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: percent of the time. So you're looking at this player.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: This is why he's so low to his ADP and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: that's why I repeat, his floor is very low. But
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: the upside is still there. I mean, if he can
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: continue to work on his contact rate just a little bit,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: and if you can cut down the whiffs, you know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: thirty home runs and five hundred plate appearances, that is possible.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: It's just how much is he going to be able
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: to withstand, you know, staying injury free throughout the throughout
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: the season.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's all fair. It's post
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: pick three hundred. I mean also, don't sell them short.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: It was a career low twenty nine point one k rate,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: so he.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Was true, Yeah, it was thirty six percent last year exactly.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean also a two twenty eight
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: babbitp Like I know, we've kind of developed beyond the
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: range of like, oh, just looking at the babbitb and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: regressing it the other way. But like that stands out
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: as like a pretty low bath who smokes the ball
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: this hard?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, ife you. I think it was into
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: twenty four. I wrote an article about finding the next
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Brent Rooker, and Matt Walder was like number one on
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: that list because he hits the ball hard. He does
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: all these things, he just does not know how to
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: avoid strikeouts. And that's who Rooker was. And then he
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: improved his eye of the plate and compared it with
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: the walks. All of a sudden he got on base,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: the hit started to fall and the power laid in there.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: So like Walner was a stretch because the strikeouts were
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: so bad and like he had to really up his
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: game in that, but like it's still there. That up's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: like again, there's one issue he has, Like if you
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: can just figure that one thing, This would be really
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: really good. So yeah, I don't have a problem with
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also like that because in terms of like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: a Dynasty League play, you know who Brent Rucker came
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: up with the Minnesota Twins, that like, maybe it is
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: a development thing that Wallner might need a different hitting coach,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: but there is a.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: New, different team.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean keep that in mind, Like they're
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: gonna have new people in the front office, they have
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: a new manager, so there might be different voices in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Matt Wallner's ear which might help out brew. Who are
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: you buying from the Twins.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with one of my man crushes here,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: and that's gonna be Luke Kishall. I absolutely love Luke Keishall,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, and it's the plate. It's the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: plate discipline. The guy has an amazing plate discipline. He you know,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: in the minors, he walked more than he struck out,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: or at least was close to that. I'm stretched and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: I'm fibbing a little bit, but it was pretty got
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: starn closed. He he's a speedster. I think people forget that.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: And he's a very effective base runner. So you know,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: just under fifty games last year, solid fourteen bases. I mean, yeah,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: it was is he gonna Is he gonna steal forty five?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, But we could easily see a
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: thirty thirty five seal season out the guy who can
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: put another ten or fifteen homers in there and keep
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: a reasonable batting everage. And it's like, and if you
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: look at where he's going from like a second base perspective,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of laughable. He's going eighth overall. From
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: a second base perspective, He's behind altuove Rafaela Holiday. You know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's kind of a minefield at that point
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: in time. He's the only guy that I look at there, honestly,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: outside of like the top two second basements, He's the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: only one that I feel like I know what I'm
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: getting and I feel like it's gonna happen again. I
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: get this injury risk and and and that kind of thing,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: but I feel a heck of a lot better with him.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: And you can see it kind of in ADP. He's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: got a men pick up seventy five, he's got a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: maxim one seventy nine. Like the it's it's all over
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  Speaker 2: the board, and I'm I don't know if I'll go
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: seventy five, but I'm I'm really liking him at his
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: about one fifty eightyp.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm also a big Lukeishel fan, So I love that, Marty.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Where do you come down on Kishell? Because we drink
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the kol aid on kishall we always have And so
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: what's your take do you have? Are you gonna temper us?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Are you right in that kool aid bath?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: I really like the profile. You know, he's not gonna
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: he's a steady batting average. It's going to get you
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: those swipes that you need, and as I was talking
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: about at middle infield or second base, like those are
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: the places where you need your stolen bases, you know.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: So I love him for that. I took him most
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: recently in a twelve team and the in the ninth round,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: so I took him right after Lchu Bay was drafted
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: and Nicol Horner went about a round before that. So
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Kishel in the ninth in the ninth round, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: All right. My pick to buy is I'm going with
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Walker Jenkins. It's real late, it's post five hundred, but
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to play like seventy five to
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: eighty percent in the season personally that like, and especially
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: if he plays well in the spring, the Twins really
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: have no reason not to bring him up and put
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: him on the roster. You know, I'm not I've always
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: kind of been hoping that Trevor Larnak would turn into something,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: but it's not materializing. The two backup outfielders on the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: bench are Austin Martin and James Outman. Not gonna hold
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: back Walker Jenkins here, and then you also have the
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Byron Buxton kind of injury factor. You've got Victor Carrattini
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: at DH where they could move wulner to. I think
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of room here for Jenkins to make
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: this roster. He's a non roster invite, and I think
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: he can hit the ground running and be this year's
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: kind of Pete Crow Armstrong esque player. Where Like it's
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: not gonna take I think too much for Walker Jenkins
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: to put together something like a fifteen fifteen twenty twenty.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: The reason I'm also kind of in the p PCA
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: like camp with this is like, I don't think he's
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: gonna quite peak to what PCA did last year, but
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: he does have a similar played approach. It's pretty aggressive,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: but when you're considering how late it is and what
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the upside could be with Walker Jenkins, even though like
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: it does feel like he's been around quite a while,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: but you know, he was only a first round pick
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. He's twenty years old. He's got
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: the pedigree in terms of like just a great frame
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: six three to ten, the defense will play in the
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: corners pretty well. I'm liking the opportunity here for Walker
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Jenkins that I think he's going to be, uh somebody
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I add late in lots of places to be able
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: to hold on to see if he does make that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: roster spot out of spring or gets a pretty early opportunity.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: So I've liked a lot what came through in the
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: profile in twenty twenty five, and I think he can
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: carry it into twenty six. Okay, let's get into these cells.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: So Marty, who you sell them from the twins?
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: And this one isn't the It's a lazy answer, but
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: it's true. I don't have him anywhere Byron Bucks.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Then yeah, mine too.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's you know, I feel like that's
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: a cop out answer. But I mean, this is that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: same area we were just talking about, where you can
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: get Riley Green, Cody Bellinger, Robert Valdez, Finnie Paspentino, you know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Paana. You can get all these different types of
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: players that are steady, They're going to contribute every single
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: day and you don't really have to worry about it.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: Buston made sense when he was going after the tenth round,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: you know, last year, like there, that was the time
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: to take them. Now you're with this with that draft
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: pick around, you know, eighty eight overall, you're expecting him
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: to play one hundred at least one hundred and forty games,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: Like that's what that's that's the hope. You know, he's
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: going to play almost every single day. So yeah, I'm
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: just out. It's just the injury risk was too high.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's only put up one hundred and forty
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: games once in twenty seventeen, that's when he last did it.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. The last year was amazing. I wish
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I had it rostered in more spots. But like I
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: think I'm perennially just going to be out on Buxton
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: because it's just it's too much risk for where he's going.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: And on top of it too, I mean, if there's
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: any player that I'm actually concerned about getting WBC action,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: it might be Byron Buxton playing center field and playing
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: meaningful games and actually kind of really putting his best
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: effort probably into the WBC as opposed to whatever the
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins season might end up being. And that is
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: right for Byron Buxton hamstring injury. So if you're taking
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: him early, kudos to you to swallow that risk pill.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of different ways this can go
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: wrong because we've seen it for the ten years between
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and twenty twenty five that pretty much happened.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: So Brew, where do you come down on Buxton in
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: terms of I'm sure he's in your top one hundred,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: but like, how do you wait this risk profile?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean even myself, who will go down that path?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't sell him, but I was very very close,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: and I probably will not be drafting him because it
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: is like of the guy to get injured like Buxton, Like,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: if you want to put one hundred bucks in a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: guy to get injured, he's gonna be the guy. I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: have no idea how he got a WBC with all
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: the things about medicals this year, like any guy like
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: he's he's the one like I would have thought, like nope,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: not getting in there. So yeah, I have zero problem
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: selling him, Like I'm I'm treating him as a hundred
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: game guy, like that's probably what I'm treating him is
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: and that might even be a little high and he
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: could do a ton of damage in that and so
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: but for that, it's probably like a one eight two
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: hundred ADP is like where that's where you want to
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: play that, and it's it's significantly above that.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so who are you selling on the Twins?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ways down And it's just and I
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: think it's because of a few articles I've written. I've
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: had the people in the comments all over this guy
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: saying that they absolutely love it. It's brooks Lee, and
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: I just I don't understand it, Like and honestly, as
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: I look at the numbers, this is a guy with
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: a ground ball profile, doesn't hit the ball hard, doesn't
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: run well, doesn't field well. Somehow he hit eighteen homers
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: or sixteen homers last year, and I still don't understand
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: how Like I look at the numbers like I don't
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: see where they came from. And he seems like he's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: relatively done that at a lot of different stops. But
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: he brings almost nothing else to the plate. Besides, he
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: poked sixteen homers in one hundred and fortyish games last year,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: but he hit two thirty. He's not gonna give you
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: a ton of counting stats. He doesn't get on base, like,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot here. But I've heard a lot
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: of people kind of hammering of like, man, I believe
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: in brooks Lee. I think he's gonna do amazing things,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: And I literally just have no idea how that's the case.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: And again it's a later ADP. It's three twenty. I
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: think there's some aspect of the positional eligibility that comes
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: in that people like they'll play here. But if I'm
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: looking for a middle infield position flexible guy late in
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: the draft, I'm looking for a guy that can hit
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: for a middling average and some speed, not not a
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: guy that like has like tenth percentile like contact or
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: actually is very high contact, but like quality as far
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: as hard hit rates and next of velosties and things
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: like that. So I'm just I'm just smiffed. I don't understand.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: I again, I still don't understand how he has sixteen
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: homers last year. I feel like I need to go
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: watch them because they must have just been like tinking
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: the top of the fence and skipping out.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I gave you lots of
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: great late and my options. I never have considered Brooksley.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: I can hit that up. It helps, So it is
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: a confounding. I'm looking at like this mont page. I
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: don't know if i'd see sixteen home run dots on
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: that spray chart, but apparently they're there. Marty, what do
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: you think about Brooksley.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Eighty one WRC plus? There you go, you know, a
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: five point eight barrel percentage maybe like if you're vis
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: your fourth shortstop in a DC. You know, I could
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: see just because he's going to play, that's fine, but
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: there's at this point there's no upside, so there's no
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: reason to do that.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: And I will say, I like a lot of the
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: guys in the minors for the two give me like
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: a Cole Pepper. You already talked about Jenkins, Like I
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of guys coming that, and we
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: look at Brooksley, You're like, that's the first guy you're
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: gonna mention, Like, that's the first guys Like he's he's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: he's not even average, like he's he's middling and he
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't do anything overly well. And I think he's just
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: had a few good hits and a few good spots
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: and that's like endeared him to some folks last last year.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, easy, so all right, I think that's fair.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up the al Central here. We
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: did it. We got through all five teams. Marty, thank
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining us on this pod to
• 1:43:34
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• 1:43:38
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• 1:43:47
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