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March 8, 2018 | Men Of Success - Winter 2018, Session 8 - The Power of Negative Thinking · Topeka Bible Church Audio Archive

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SPEAKER_00: All right, men, good morning.
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SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody this morning.
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SPEAKER_00: Just a uh kind of a schedule update just to confirm we got three more men of success meetings.
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SPEAKER_00: So we will finish on the is it the 28th or tw uh 28th, which is the Thursday right before Easter.
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SPEAKER_00: So three more weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: So finish strong, set your alarms, make sure you're here every week.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so hey, another great breakfast from Tom.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, this morning I was I was thinking as I was uh coming in.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm sure Tom wakes up every Thursday morning fully optimistic and anticipating that he's gonna fix a great breakfast, you know?
0:37
SPEAKER_00: The power of positive thinking.
0:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: But then what happens if somebody doesn't show up to help?
0:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, it'll be delayed a little bit.
0:45
SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll eat at the break.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, what if I burn the bacon?
0:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, maybe there'll be enough sausage, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So is that negative thinking?
0:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's contingency, you know, it's planning, you know, it's thinking about those things.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's trying to find a realistic application for the power of negative thinking.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna let it uh this guy's uh Jim Derrick tell us a little more.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks a lot, Paul.
1:08
SPEAKER_01: Good morning.
1:09
SPEAKER_01: How you guys doing?
1:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, listen, um, just a note about this morning.
1:14
SPEAKER_01: Care Prairie Vell's got two big days, fine arts festival, and they're zipping over here.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna be here about 7.30.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna we got to finish no later than 7.30.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: And Tom is asking anybody who can hang around for uh five minutes, it's between 7.25, 7.35, help uh put the chairs away and the tables.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: Because as you can see, we've got all these schools, one, two, three, four, about ten schools coming in here for competition all day today.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: How are you doing this morning?
1:44
SPEAKER_01: Horrible.
1:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's worst day ever.
1:47
SPEAKER_01: Really?
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the power of negative thinking.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you're terrible too.
1:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm doing terrible.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: Power negative.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh and by the way, the other book, uh, the we're gonna do one more book in the last last three weeks.
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SPEAKER_01: The next two weeks, we're gonna do what maybe, at least in my mind, as I'm now reading it, is maybe the best book ever.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe a book you haven't heard of, but it's uh different from all the other books, in that every other success book and improvement book is about strategizing.
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SPEAKER_01: And this one's about how to actually get things done.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just gonna be great.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: Next two weeks, the final week, what are we gonna do?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're gonna so the last week, I think it's the 20, 28th or something, 29th.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyway, that last Thursday, we're just going to do a recap, a quick a quick hit over all the books that we've done over the course of this year, and just have a time where we can talk about the the books or the the ideas or principles that were most helpful, the things that we could see, the things that we could apply, and yeah.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll take votes for the summary for the most popular book.
2:52
unknown: Are we feeding spring break week?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:55
SPEAKER_01: Are you in spring break?
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unknown: Always.
2:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:00
SPEAKER_01: Every week is spring break week.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: That was good.
3:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh if you can't be here, you can't be here, but uh, you know, those of us who aren't in school are not worried.
3:13
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we're just gonna meet the next three weeks and then uh end it.
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SPEAKER_01: 12 week semester.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this will be good.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: So tell them what tell them about this book.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: This this is so, you know, we're in the you know, positive thinking, so kind, you know, mindset, I can get better.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: And so we decided, hey.
3:37
unknown: Tell me something positive about Bobby.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: Tell me something positive.
3:40
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know anything about positive.
3:42
SPEAKER_02: He was winning one of the winningest coaches ever in college basketball.
3:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not 902 total victories, career victories.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: Coach to West Point, West Point, that's good.
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, uh, we partly picked him because it's March Madness coming up and it's basketball season.
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SPEAKER_01: So um anybody else going to any of the Big 12 tournament?
4:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go to yeah, me too.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: See you there, man.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: Going just in a little bit, right?
4:09
SPEAKER_02: Couple hours.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, are you?
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SPEAKER_01: Go, go, go, go.
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SPEAKER_01: Um so that's part of it, but also just for kicks.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:20
SPEAKER_02: Do you I'm sure most people know that Bobby Knight's probably most famous for chair throwing on the basketball court.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: Yelling at people, just screaming.
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SPEAKER_01: He was sort of the uh Woody Hayes, you know, of uh of basketball coaches.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he would just he would he would cuss his players out and just all kinds of stuff that's we wouldn't quite think of as positive or reinforcing or or helpful or any of those things.
4:50
SPEAKER_01: So we've decided, we've been thinking about this book because it we picked it and then it drove us crazy.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Because it's nothing like any of these other books.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: It's like we decided yesterday he sat down one night and just started talking into his microphone and got somebody to put it in because there's really no order, it just sort of randomly moves around telling stories about his basketball career, right?
5:14
SPEAKER_02: It's like if if any of you guys are English people, it's kind of a stream of consciousness writing.
5:21
SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying, no, there's there's not even there's not even a table of contents in this book.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: What does that?
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SPEAKER_01: Derek, I come to Derek and say, you know, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have picked this book, but what are we gonna do with this?
5:37
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, I think, you know, we just we just come up with the maybe the three or four ideas that we think he keeps repeating and just go with those.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: So that's what we've done.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna try that.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: It's not there's not a lot of material here, okay?
5:51
SPEAKER_01: So let me take the first one and we can talk about this.
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SPEAKER_01: So his first chapter is uh send Pollyanna back to the beach or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: What he means by that is no more Pollyanna silly ideas like and so he goes through and he's making fun of all these ideas, like think positive and positive things will happen.
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SPEAKER_01: And he says, that's a bunch of of that's stupid.
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SPEAKER_01: So just like that.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't mind using other words in there.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Or time heals all wounds, yeah.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: He doesn't he doesn't buy it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can do anything you set your mind to.
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SPEAKER_01: He says, No, you can't, or everything will be all right.
6:28
SPEAKER_01: Where'd you get that?
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SPEAKER_01: He says, So, um, and the truth is, you know, as you think about it, he's right.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, uh um uh and and we can see that clearly at oh dark 30 in the morning when we've only had four hours of sleep.
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SPEAKER_01: We know that the platitudes don't work.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh so that's part of what when he thinks about negative thinking, he's thinking about you know, getting rid of silly, silly, stupid stuff.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: So one of the things you could do at your table just for fun is think of other platitudes maybe that you hear all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh three others that he makes fun of.
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SPEAKER_01: Are the sun will come out tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01: That's from that uh um what's the play where the little orphan annie?
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SPEAKER_02: Annie?
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_01: Or don't worry, uh, we'll get them next time.
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SPEAKER_01: He says, No, not if you're playing North Carolina.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh or the I am positive and optimistic.
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SPEAKER_01: I know that everything will work out for the best for me.
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SPEAKER_01: He says, Well, what makes you think of that?
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SPEAKER_01: So he asked, he says the real question to ask whenever you hear some of these silly platitudes is why do you think that's true?
7:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's probably no good reason for it.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: So that's um uh and and for some reason he thought part of that was something about failure.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: He says, early failure is a good thing.
7:48
SPEAKER_01: He says, early failure is usually better than early success because the lesson in humility lasts a long time and makes you more effective over the long term.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: So he was happy, except in his undefeated season, and he keeps bragging about how that's the only undefeated season in college basketball of all time.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: Remember when Indiana went through and didn't even lose one game?
8:08
SPEAKER_01: So he reminds you that no national champion since then has lost less than two games.
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SPEAKER_01: So he kind of goes against.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, he'll go, early failure is good, and then but then he makes fun of people who said, who told him that year, well, you ought to lose a game before you get into the NCAA.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's hard to pin him down sometimes.
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SPEAKER_01: He works both directions.
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SPEAKER_01: So but anyway, uh, I'm gonna finish my little section of chapter one.
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SPEAKER_01: This is gonna go fast, with the fact that you you can find verses to support uh his main ideas.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: And like, for instance, those who work their land will have abundant food, those who chase fantasies have no sense.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's all about not chasing stupid fantasies and saying stuff that's just silly, right?
8:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: So I feel guilty about that.
8:55
SPEAKER_01: So confession, confession.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: So to work my way through college and also to learn how to meet and deal with people, which I was terrible at, I agreed to be a salesman.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: I I went out my freshman year, couldn't talk to people.
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SPEAKER_01: Guy came through, he was a sales manager, and he truly he didn't care for me.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: He wanted my roommate, my cousin, who had who had accomplished something in life.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't, I was totally wasting my time at college.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: I was playing ping pong, I was playing basketball till about till the gym closed, and then I was playing ping pong till midnight, and then I was watching TV till it went off at two.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: And um lost my call, lost my scholar, academic scholarship in the first semester.
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SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, this guy comes through and he's heard about, you know, he he's asking, he didn't want me, but I sign up, I talk to him, I say, I want to go sell books, I want to learn how to meet and deal with people.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: So I do this.
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SPEAKER_01: I totally failed my first uh summer, 80 hours a week going door to door, totally failing, sold nothing in Pennsylvania.
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SPEAKER_01: Almost totally failed my second summer, kept at it.
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SPEAKER_01: By my fifth summer, I was very successful in this company.
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SPEAKER_01: I have 7,000 college students, and one of the top salesmen, and also the sales manager, student manager of the state of Florida, which meant that on Sundays, all the salesmen from around Florida, about 50 of us, would come together.
10:10
SPEAKER_01: I had gotten a church in Ocala, Florida, First Baptist.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: And um so they'd come in there, and so the student manager, Bobby Knight would be so disgusted with me.
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SPEAKER_01: So, because you gotta pump them up.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: Anybody ever been in sales?
10:25
SPEAKER_01: You ever been in a pump-up meeting?
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SPEAKER_01: I'd get them on top of their chairs.
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SPEAKER_01: These are 50 college students, you know, with with their umbilical courts hanging out and you know, feeling, feeling, feeling freaky, totally failing, half of them totally failing, like I had done, you know, the whole week, you know, scared of Mrs.
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SPEAKER_01: Jones.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: That's who he called the lady at the door.
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SPEAKER_01: And and you know, just looking for comfort.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: And I didn't give it to them.
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SPEAKER_01: By the time I was done, they'd stood on their chairs, they jumped up and down, they'd screamed, I can, I will, I'm going to, and day by day, in every way, by the grace of God, I'm getting better and better.
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SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I would have just thrown up at everything I did in that meeting, Derek.
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SPEAKER_01: It was just terrible.
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SPEAKER_01: Thinking too positively.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was way too positive.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: Much too positive.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'll never do that again.
11:13
SPEAKER_02: So then we come to this lovely guy.
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SPEAKER_02: And we think that one of the big ideas that he talks about continually is always being prepared for the worst.
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SPEAKER_02: And so this is where some of his negative thinking comes in, in that we never know.
11:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think he would say that the positive, the optimist, would never know the worst thing that could happen.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: But he would say, if you are a negative thinker by by his definition, you are completely aware of the worst that's going to happen, and you prepare for it.
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SPEAKER_02: You prepare specifically against, and he talks obviously a lot about basketball, but you prepare for the worst possible situation, and you have plan A, plan B, plan C, plan D, in case these worst-case scenarios happen, worst-case scenarios happen.
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SPEAKER_02: And one of those examples that he gives is when Indiana's going to play UNC when Michael Jordan's on their team.
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SPEAKER_02: And he knew that the worst, I mean, he knew that Michael Jordan was the best player in the country.
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SPEAKER_02: He knew that the worst thing that could happen to them, to IU, would be for Michael Jordan to have the basketball in his hands and be able to drive to the basket.
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SPEAKER_02: If Michael Jordan was going to do that and he was able to do it the entire game, Indiana was sure to lose.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a guarantee.
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SPEAKER_02: And so his plan was as soon as Michael Jordan bounced the ball on the floor like he was going to the basket, there would be another defender who would come over and help, and they would just double-team Jordan and leave the other guy wide open.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that was his example and example of him preparing for the absolute worst.
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SPEAKER_02: Because he knew that if he could shut that down, they would at least have somewhat of a shot to beat North Carolina.
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SPEAKER_01: And he actually wanted him to shoot from outside because he was the top offensive rebounder like in the country.
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SPEAKER_01: And so he figured if he shot from outside, he couldn't get the offensive rebound.
13:18
SPEAKER_01: And they ended up winning, upsetting him 72-68, as I recall.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, crazy.
13:23
SPEAKER_02: So let's look at look at this next quote.
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SPEAKER_02: So this is an interesting thing.
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SPEAKER_02: He talks about negative and positive imaging, and it's the if we don't complex, kind of an if-then.
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SPEAKER_02: Says the point is the negative thinker always knows there's a chance that he can get beat, so he works to make that as unlikely as he can.
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SPEAKER_02: The coach who is caught up with the positive imaging risks having the possibility of losing never even enter his mind.
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SPEAKER_02: So he has a tendency to overlook problems he needs to prepare for.
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SPEAKER_02: I pre prefer negative imaging.
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SPEAKER_02: If then.
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SPEAKER_02: If we don't do these things, then we sure as poop.
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SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have lines in his book, by the way.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: There's no there's no lashes in there.
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SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get beat.
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SPEAKER_02: And if we do, if we uh do have the right approach, the right preparation, and we play as well as we can, then we can have a chance to win.
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SPEAKER_02: So he's saying we need to be fully aware.
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SPEAKER_02: So whether that's in basketball, whether that's in our work, whether that's in our family, we need to be aware of the possible, the worst possible things that could happen and be able to battle and prepare against those things.
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SPEAKER_02: Instead of, in his words, the optimist, ultra-optimist person would, it wouldn't even cross their minds to prepare for anything bad because they think everything is going to be positive, everything is going to work out, nothing bad could possibly happen or change any of the plans that that we've already made.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you say even the idea that the bad can happen, somehow you're bringing that cloud in, and you're you're, you know, it's sort of a you gotta make the positive confession, avoid a negative confession.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, in that context, Derek, he throws he throws this idea in the Ross.
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SPEAKER_02: He puts this this little song, know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: This might be one of your guys' favorite songs.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: But it but he talks about it.
15:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So when we he uses this as a great example, and so in his negative thinking, he's also very realistic in that there's times when you need to shut down your plan.
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SPEAKER_02: There's times when you need to walk away from your plan.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: There's times, and he talks about halftime being one of the great times to make any adjustments.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: He says, There's some times at halftime where you need to scrap everything you were trying in the first half because it wasn't working.
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SPEAKER_02: And so he would say that the the optimist person would say, no, we're gonna we're gonna keep doing what we've been doing despite we know that it's actually not working.
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SPEAKER_02: Whereas he would say, We need to understand that's not working, and we just need to shift gears and do something else because we're failing.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, in this prepare for the worst, second point, you know, the the first word's actually as important to him as anything else, prepare.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: And you know, you shared with me this verse yesterday, you know, you pointed out that the Bible is all about preparation.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: Be prepared, and this is ties in right with the Ezekiel series.
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SPEAKER_02: In two weeks.
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SPEAKER_02: Be prepared and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: So he's all about preparation.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Big time.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Third point, uh big idea number three, use the words no and don't.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: Don't be one of those positive talkers who never uses negative words.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: And he starts his chapter by saying, I have two candidates for the greatest words in the English language.
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SPEAKER_01: No, don't.
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SPEAKER_01: The words no and don't are important parts of the power of negative thinking.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: Couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I said to a player, what is there about the word no that you don't understand?
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SPEAKER_01: And you can see him saying that here.
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SPEAKER_01: What is there about the word don't that you understand?
17:05
SPEAKER_01: And and then he actually has a chapter entitled History's Negatives, Starting with the Bible.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: And he says, I don't mean to be so bold as to line up God on the side of negative thinking, but have you ever realized that seven of the Ten Commandments start with thou shalt not?
17:23
SPEAKER_01: So he goes through and he starts quoting Gettysburg Address and any president who's ever used the word no or don't, and when God uses the word no and don't, and anyway.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: But beyond that, he says the first things we're taught by our parents are what not to do.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Don't cross the street without liking, don't go to bed without brushing your teeth, don't get in trouble with your teacher or else.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: And he even has another chapter, Napoleon Hitler, another positive.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: No, he's all about don'ts, do nots.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: He thinks that it really supports his idea of negative thinking.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: So he loves verses like, do not, he would like this verse if he knew it.
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SPEAKER_01: Do not be anxious about anything, do not worry, do not answer a fool according, and he would love any any verses about fool, Bobby and Knight would love.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Do not answer a fool according to his folly.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: So anyway, feel free to use negative language as much as possible.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Did you want to add to that or do you want to go to big idea number four?
18:21
SPEAKER_01: All right, ladies and gentlemen, big idea number four.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: If you want to win, do everything you can to minimize mistakes.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: And I put this picture on, he's a huge Trump supporter, and I'm thinking Bobby Knight might want to pull this idea out and send it to Trump every morning before Trump gets on his cell phone.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: So they're good buddies.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: They almost have the same hair.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: They're they're very, very similar.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure they love this idea to minimize mistakes.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: So this let's go to this next quote.
18:55
SPEAKER_02: Because this is interesting.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: He says, I speak as a coach whose whose career-long belief was that most basketball games are not won, they are lost.
19:04
SPEAKER_02: I always joked at upcoming games and saw all kinds of ways we could lose to our next opponent.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of them, maybe most of them, things that had nothing to do with the opponent at all, but involved what we had to correct about our own execution to keep from beating ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: So one of his big ideas in sports or in anything else is that oftentimes when the game is lost, it's not necessarily because of the other team.
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SPEAKER_02: It's actually because of poor execution.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: It's because our team made too many mistakes.
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SPEAKER_02: It's because we weren't prepared enough, we weren't conditioned enough, we didn't make enough right choices during that game or activity or whatever to come out with the victory at the end.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I think we we absolutely see that during March Madness.
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SPEAKER_02: We see it because pretty much any team can beat any team on it on any given day, and it comes down to which team is going to make the least amount of mistakes.
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SPEAKER_02: And so in his preparation and him getting his teams ready, that was one of the things that he stressed, and he would he would say that that's negative thinking, his version of negative thinking, and that as he's preparing his teams, he's saying, Look, here's all the things we cannot do.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: We cannot turn the ball over.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: And I think you might say it on this on this next one.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: No, we can't we can't have poor ball handling, we can't take bad shots, we can't have bad fouls, we can't shoot the foul shot poorly, we cannot do these things.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: And if we do decide to do these things that we know we can't do if we want to win, then we'll lose.
20:46
SPEAKER_02: And so it really he focused so much on his own team, though he he also obviously prepared for the other team and knew what they were going to do and what their biggest threats were and all that.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: But he spent so much time preparing.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: And one of the things is when he first went to IU, Indiana University from West Point, Indiana's huge basketball state.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: And Indiana's the place where basically you just run around and you shoot three-pointers all the all day, and whoever scores the most points is going to win the game, pretty much.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: But when he came to IU, that that was exactly the case.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: And they'd be scoring, you know, 100 points a game.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: The end score would be 105 to 101, and all the fans would be really excited.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: But when he got there, he decided, hey, if we don't play good defense, we will lose.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: If we don't play good defense, we're going to lose.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: And they weren't used to that.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: And the the crowds weren't used to that.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: So when he started having a game that where they only scored 50 points, but they played good defense, he had people coming up to him, hey coach, do you know what kind of place this is?
21:55
SPEAKER_02: We don't know if the fans like this.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: And so it took a while for him to.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Collect some of those wins through the defensive side of the ball because he knew that that was one of the most critical mistakes that they could make as a team was not playing good defense.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: And so even though it was different, even though it was opposite of the culture and what the fans loved at that point, he was so committed to not making that mistake that even if there were critics, he was gonna go with it.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: So interesting.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: That's the sign he posted.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: He says here in his locker room, victory favors the team making the fewest mistakes.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: This is a pretty big, big, big deal for him.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: That's big.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: So I think it when it comes down to us in our lives, oftentimes when we feel like we failed, oftentimes when it seems like we didn't reach our full potential, when we lost a game or lost a meeting or lost a deal or lost whatever, he would say the first thing we need to do is we need to look at ourselves and say, ask the question, what could I have done better?
23:01
SPEAKER_02: Where where did I miss the mark?
23:02
SPEAKER_02: What mistake did I make?
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Did I do that deal mistake free?
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Did I go through that negotiation?
23:09
SPEAKER_02: Did I say the right things in the right ways at the right times?
23:13
SPEAKER_02: And are there things that I can learn from it?
23:15
SPEAKER_02: Which it kind of reminds us of Dweck's book, The Mindset.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: Do I have a growth mindset or am I fixed?
23:24
SPEAKER_02: Are there things that I can do to get better?
23:26
SPEAKER_02: Or are we just that's just how it is, and it's everybody else's fault and blame shifting.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: Do you think that um our uh to some extent our school system and maybe maybe uh our society has gone away from this idea though, so that so that you don't you don't talk about the no's, you don't say, you know, you misspelled those those words in this paper.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: You just compliment people.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: Or or I don't know what it was like.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: I know that uh uh in college, our basketball coach, you know, when he showed the film after the game, I mean he went through and it was it was all negative.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: Look at where you should have been, you shouldn't.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: So was it like that at in football for you?
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Your was your coach?
24:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: It was definitely like that.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: We had we had a certain segment after each game, it was usually on Mondays, where we would come in and there'd be kind of an an awards portion.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: And so we'd go through, and that would be the time where we took the highlight plays, you know, from the game, offense, defense, special teams, and we would go through those.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: But all the rest of it was here's what you need to do to get better, here's where you didn't have the right technique, here's where that block was missed, here's where you didn't run your route correctly, here's where you messed up.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: And he says, Bob Knight would say, that's the whole purpose of film.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: The purpose of film is not to pump you up and say, man, here's all the things you did really well, but the purpose of film is to say, here's all the ways where we messed up for a win or a loss.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: Here's all the ways we messed up, all the mistakes we made.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: If we want to continue to get better and continue to win, we can't have those anymore.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: So what are we gonna do to fix it?
25:10
SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna work on those things every single practice.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: So that's uh there was one other verse that you gave me that uh that I thought, or one or two more that seemed to fit what Bobby Knight says.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he said, develop, develop.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: This is Proverbs 24, 27, develop your business first before building your house.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: So talking about preparation, getting your things in order before you just start erecting walls and roofs and all the stuff when you don't even really have a plan of what you want it to look like when you're finished.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: And then a perfect verse for Bobby Knight yelling at his players.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Preach the word.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: He might have a different definition for a word, but preach the word, be in be in season instant, in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, he loves those.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: Rebuke, love it.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: Exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: That's 2 Timothy 4 2.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: So we got some questions.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: So anyway, next week's you gotta you gotta come for this book.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: This is a great book.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh couple discussion starters that we're wrestling with.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: In what way or ways do you think Bobby Knight actually would agree and not disagree with more positive books like Mindset and Good to Great and some of the other concepts?
26:24
SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes I sort of get the feeling, in fact, he even has a chapter about don't get too negative.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: And he had a football coach at Indiana University who was super positive, but he loved him.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: And so you're going, I, you know, so I you feel at times like Bobby's making some good points, but where might he agree with some of the stuff we've read?
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Secondly, Knight says he's for negative thinking, but we need to qualify that.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: What kinds of negative thinking would he not like?
26:54
SPEAKER_01: What sort of positive thinking do you think would he appreciate?
26:57
SPEAKER_01: And finish this sentence.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: One thing I like about what Bobby Knight says is so I don't know Yeah, I don't think he would like that last sentence.
27:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
27:05
SPEAKER_02: That's just a one thing I don't like.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: One thing I don't that would be it.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: So um uh let me pray for Skies.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: And again, we're looking for what time is it?
27:16
SPEAKER_01: 7.05.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: So in about 20 minutes, uh, we'll uh we'll sort of blow a horn or something.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: And we need to get out of here by 7:30, except for those of you who can uh finish helping us with the tables and chairs.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Lord, uh thank you for for all these entertaining people who uh who give us good advice and not so good advice perhaps sometimes on Thursday morning.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: We really want to be more successful because we know that uh um that we we want to be more successful.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Husbands, Christians, parents.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh and and so we ask that you'd help us glean from these books what it is you'd have us glean in Jesus' name.
27:57
unknown: Amen.