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UK Column News - 21st November 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the twenty one November twenty twenty five, just
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Speaker 2: after one o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mike Robinson, my host and studio today
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Speaker 2: Patrick Hennison, Welcome.
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Speaker 3: To the program.
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Speaker 1: Patrick.
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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you, Mike.
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Speaker 2: And we'll be joined today by Basil Valentine and Kit Clarenberg,
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Speaker 2: now litter. In the program, we're going to be asking
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Speaker 2: whether the British military did actually attend a recent IDF
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Speaker 2: event on the lessons to be learned from genocide. Kit
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Speaker 2: Clarenberg will be covering organ trafficking, and we'll be looking
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Speaker 2: at Trump's new supposedly peace deal for Ukraine and also
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Speaker 2: the latest British drive to convert Britain fully into a
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Speaker 2: war economy. But we'll begin today with the trial of
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Speaker 2: the Filton six or twenty four or whatever it is.
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Speaker 3: Well, the case is twenty four. Will bring this up
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Speaker 3: on screen, but yes, correct, the trial is the Filton sixth. Currently,
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Speaker 3: we do have somebody on the ground on day one
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Speaker 3: of the Well we'll hear from Willsie in a moment here,
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Speaker 3: but that is all Bit Systems. This is the Israeli
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Speaker 3: company that supplies arms to Israel based with branches based
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Speaker 3: in the UK. Those are the sites that have been
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Speaker 3: targeted by direct action by Palestine Action. And so the
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Speaker 3: story is making a lot of headlines, obviously the stuff
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Speaker 3: that is being focused on by the press, Mike, and
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Speaker 3: we'll talk about that in a bit, and we'll also
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Speaker 3: hear about that from Basil Valentine as well. But it
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Speaker 3: is getting quite a lot of traction. So this is
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Speaker 3: going to shape the conversation. And obviously something important is
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Speaker 3: also happening, Mike, isn't it in just a couple of
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Speaker 3: weeks with regards to the prescription of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: Action, Well just in a few days actually. We'll come
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Speaker 2: on to that in a second. But as Patrick says,
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Speaker 2: the trial of the six has begun. It will it's
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Speaker 2: Share Crime court, and this of course is over alleged
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Speaker 2: defenses carried out during an attack on Albert Systems factory
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Speaker 2: in Fulton, which.
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Speaker 1: Is north of Bristol.
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Speaker 2: The activists entered using a decommissioned prison van. They used
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Speaker 2: red spray pin and sledgehammers to cause a million pounds
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Speaker 2: worth of damage, including targeting Albert's drone quad copter production.
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Speaker 2: So will Colesill attended the first four days of the trial.
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Speaker 2: Here is a quick report from him.
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Speaker 4: This will cause we reporting for UK column today.
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Speaker 5: I'm outside Woolwich Crown Court next to Bellmar's prison, reporting
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Speaker 5: on the Filton six trials involving Albert Systems UK Limited.
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Speaker 4: I'm reporting the Filton Six.
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Speaker 5: Namely Charlotte Head, Samuel Corner, Fatima Rajuanzo Rodgers and Jordan
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Speaker 5: Devlin charged with aggravated burglary, aggravated burglary, being with weapons.
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Speaker 5: It is alleged criminal damage, violent disorder that includes three
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Speaker 5: or more people putting people in fear of violence and
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Speaker 5: in the case of Sam Corner, grievous bodily harm.
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Speaker 4: I've been down here for four days.
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Speaker 5: On the first day we saw protest by pro Palestine activists.
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Speaker 6: Is one of the.
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Speaker 7: Twenty four prisoners beginning there ten week trial today.
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Speaker 3: The Palestine, there is a woman.
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Speaker 8: Just like me whose brother is a lot in It
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Speaker 8: is really dungeous cell Well, he will never get a
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Speaker 8: fair trial and she may never see him again.
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Speaker 9: The pal of sign now certainty three percent israeally settlers her.
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Speaker 8: Homeland, colonized voices, silence.
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Speaker 7: And her people violently terrorized.
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Speaker 8: Palestine has become a perfect laboratory, but it is really
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Speaker 8: a military technical.
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Speaker 7: Complex which is led by Elvis Systems.
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Speaker 10: Just yet another level of horror to the whole situation
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Speaker 10: and hypocrisy of a part of the British government to
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Speaker 10: allow this to happen court, What would expect el the
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Speaker 10: Systems to be secretive and hypocritical, but for the British
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Speaker 10: government to allow that to happen in this country.
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously.
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Speaker 10: The filter sex, the original sex who exposed that are
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Speaker 10: doing a great service.
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Speaker 4: To this country and that's what should be recognized.
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Speaker 5: There was some talk in the court of the sound
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Speaker 5: which could be heard from the courtroom. However, the judge
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Speaker 5: decreed that this could not really be avoided. We've heard
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Speaker 5: the opening from the prosecution and we've gone into our
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Speaker 5: second witness, our first witness being a policewoman, our second
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Speaker 5: witness being one of the security guards. We've seen pictures,
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Speaker 5: we've also seen video evidence of the event. The context,
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Speaker 5: Elbert Systems is a company with links to Israel, with
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Speaker 5: a parent company in Israel, and there are concerns which
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Speaker 5: being alleged as to its involvement or its links to
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Speaker 5: the current ongoing devastation in Gaza. We've heard how the
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Speaker 5: defendants are alleged to have dressed in red job suits,
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Speaker 5: brought in whips, hammers, axes, and sledge hammers, some of
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Speaker 5: these being agreed facts into Elbit systems. Police interviews by
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Speaker 5: some of the defendants assert that they were not taken
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Speaker 5: as weapons. However, with the planning of the events, the
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Speaker 5: prosecution has said it has evidence of the planning and
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Speaker 5: it has access to planning documents which it allegedly gained
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Speaker 5: from some access to some of the defendants telephones.
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Speaker 4: We have seen damage to the building, computer.
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Speaker 5: Smashed, smash glass, smash drones, what looked like off drone
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Speaker 5: operation units, a disabled toilet which were smashed, and red
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Speaker 5: paint sprayed all over the place from fire extinguishers with
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Speaker 5: the words Palestine written on them, which could be made
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Speaker 5: out from the video evidence. Staff and some of the
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Speaker 5: defendants faced off. There was shouting, There was swearing at
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Speaker 5: the staff from what we've seen on video evidence, and
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Speaker 5: we saw these items being raised, including the sledgehammers being
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Speaker 5: raised over the heads. We also see what appeared to
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Speaker 5: be the weapons being swung the staff. Also from the
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Speaker 5: video evidence, we've seen staff disarm some of the defendants
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Speaker 5: taking these items away from them, and we've also seen
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Speaker 5: barricades being put up to trap staff in certain areas,
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Speaker 5: which did not actually seem to be effective when police arrived.
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Speaker 5: We have seen a strike on video evidence which appears
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Speaker 5: to be performed by Sam Corner bringing down a sledgehammer
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Speaker 5: onto the back of a policewoman, which is alleged to
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Speaker 5: have caused her a fractured spine. As I've said, we've
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Speaker 5: heard testimony from one police officer. We have also heard
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Speaker 5: from a mister Shaw, one of the four security guards
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Speaker 5: on duty at the time. He was brought in as
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Speaker 5: a temporary security guard. We heard due to a whole
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Speaker 5: being found in the fence during events. Mister Shaw today
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Speaker 5: testified that he received a gash to the head which
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Speaker 5: needed to be fixed with staples, and we saw in
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Speaker 5: video evidence and pictures of blood running down mister Shaw's face.
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Speaker 5: We also heard about bruises all over his body and
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Speaker 5: we've seen pictures of these bruises with the chest, the bicep,
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Speaker 5: the back, the shoulder. Much of the evidence so far
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Speaker 5: appears damning remains to be seen. What is going to
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Speaker 5: be used as the defense there may be wider implications
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Speaker 5: of this event. The full trial is scheduled to take
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Speaker 5: around forty days. I will not be down here to
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Speaker 5: cover all forty days, but I do expect to be
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Speaker 5: back to hear more of the defense, which arguments they're using,
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Speaker 5: and almost definitely to cover the verdict. This is Will
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Speaker 5: Colezil reporting from Woolwich Crown Court for UK column.
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Speaker 2: So thanks to Will for that. There's clearly bazzle if
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Speaker 2: we can welcome you to the program. Clearly a lot
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Speaker 2: more evidence to see here and here in the coming weeks.
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Speaker 2: Obviously we're hearing the president of Will's talking about the
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Speaker 2: prosecution evidence. At the moment, we haven't even begun the
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Speaker 2: defense and that may not happen for quite some time yet.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, what are your initial thoughts on what's
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Speaker 2: happened so far.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's the first time we've heard those details. They
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Speaker 11: weren't in any previous police report or on any charge sheets,
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Speaker 11: so you know, it's a revelation to all of us
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Speaker 11: exactly what the case consists of. Just referring to the
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Speaker 11: protesters outside that you may have noticed one of them
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Speaker 11: held a banner referencing political interference in the case, and
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Speaker 11: this is certainly an extremely important question, as is the
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Speaker 11: treatment of the filter and six and he did the
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Speaker 11: whole Filton twenty four since their initial arrests, which were
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Speaker 11: back in August of last year. So people have been
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Speaker 11: held without a trial and without the possibility of role
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Speaker 11: already for fifteen months, which in a case where the
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Speaker 11: damage is ninety nine percent of the time only against property,
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Speaker 11: is already obviously a form of punishment. Those people will
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Speaker 11: never get that time back. But on the subject of
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Speaker 11: political interference, there've been revelations this week about high level
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Speaker 11: contacts between former Israeli ambassador and various Conservative Party grandees,
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Speaker 11: and we can only speculate the extent to which this
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Speaker 11: openly avowedly scientist government is being influenced by the Israel lobby.
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Speaker 11: To make an example of the protesters and activists disrupting
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Speaker 11: the production of drones, which let's remember, have been used
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Speaker 11: in war crimes. The cases are well almost without number,
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Speaker 11: drones playing the sound of babies crying in order to
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Speaker 11: entice civilians into the street, who are then shot at.
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Speaker 11: That was just one of the things that's been going on.
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Speaker 11: Drones used to shoot medical stop through the windows of hospitals.
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Speaker 11: So there's very clear moral case that Albitt has no
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Speaker 11: business being in Britain. The question that the court will
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Speaker 11: be asked to decide is whether or not the activists
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Speaker 11: were preventing a bigger crime by undertaking the crime that
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Speaker 11: they did, and that is likely to be the basis
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Speaker 11: of their defense the judge.
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Speaker 2: The judge was very clear to the jury that they
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Speaker 2: weren't to take into consideration the fact that the Palestine
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Speaker 2: Action had been prescribed already, that they were to judge
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Speaker 2: the keys on the evidence as presented. My question'd be
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Speaker 2: interested in your thoughts on whether that's even something which
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Speaker 2: is possible, bearing in mind that the amount of publicity
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Speaker 2: there has been around this group over the last six
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Speaker 2: or eight months in particular.
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Speaker 11: Well, that'll be up to the individual members of the
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Speaker 11: jury themselves as to whether or not they feel in
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Speaker 11: any way their opinions about the group are compromised by
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Speaker 11: its subsequent prescription. On the question of the prescription of
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Speaker 11: Palestine Action, there has been an interesting development just in
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Speaker 11: the last few hours really, which is that Richard Barrett's
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Speaker 11: former Global Director of counter Terrorism m I five has
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Speaker 11: said that the prescription goes too far He recently chaired
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Speaker 11: a commission to examine UK terror law and concluded it
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Speaker 11: was too broad and risked inconsistency, perceptions of unfairness and
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Speaker 11: the treatment of legitimate protest as terrorism because it relies
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Speaker 11: heavily on executive discretion.
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Speaker 6: Well, when that.
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Speaker 11: Executive, as is the case with this president, government, is
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Speaker 11: avowedly and unashamedly on the side of well, in this case,
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Speaker 11: the perpetrators of genocide, then can we really expect them
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Speaker 11: to expect them to apply terror law without favor or
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Speaker 11: without prejudice. And it seems that mister Barrett thinks not,
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Speaker 11: and of course he's right, and this will no doubt
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Speaker 11: be presented to the Judicial Review, which is looking into
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Speaker 11: the legality.
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Speaker 3: Of the prescription of Palestine action. I think that's a
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Speaker 3: big dynamic here, Mike, is that this trial is happening now.
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Speaker 3: They've been what held on remand for fifteen months, and
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Speaker 3: this is happening now after the prescription. As you and
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Speaker 3: Basil pointed out, that's been the public conversation before. So
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Speaker 3: for a jury trial this is potentially problematic. But what's
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Speaker 3: worse is that while they're not being subject to terrorism charges,
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Speaker 3: they are being treated in a due process framework that
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Speaker 3: is for terrorism. In other words, the defendants are detained
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Speaker 3: communication with the other defendants or and also they're being
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Speaker 3: kind of treated in sort of within that terrorism framework.
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Speaker 3: The state is treating them as you know, category A prisoners,
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Speaker 3: as it were. So, I mean, it's it's so, what
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Speaker 3: does this What would the prosecution, what would the state
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Speaker 3: hope to achieve from this outside of the usual criminal
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Speaker 3: damage possible GBH charge there. But yeah, there's so much
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Speaker 3: political pressure being heaped upon this right now. I just
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Speaker 3: think that this is potentially very politicized.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question that is a very politicized trial, Basil.
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Speaker 2: I suppose my last question on this because there is
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Speaker 2: a GBH charge here because of the alleged heading of
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Speaker 2: the policewoman on the back with the sledgehammer. I mean,
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Speaker 2: do you feel that there was a line crossed with
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Speaker 2: that particular action.
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Speaker 11: Well, I don't want to prejudice the case, and I
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Speaker 11: haven't seen any of the evidence, so I couldn't possibly
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Speaker 11: comment on an individual action. But you know, to go
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Speaker 11: back to the imprisonment, Yes, Patrick's wright. All twenty four
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Speaker 11: defendants were labeled high risk on arrival at HMP Bronzefield
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Speaker 11: and Peterborough placed under surveillance regimes normally reserved all violent defenders.
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Speaker 11: Now as you say, there may have been a violent
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Speaker 11: act committed by one individual at one action, you know,
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Speaker 11: I don't know that that's for the court to decide.
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Speaker 11: But nevertheless, all of them were placed under these high risk,
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Speaker 11: you know, maximum security conditions despite the non violent nature
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Speaker 11: of the vast majority of the charges against them. It's
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Speaker 11: reminiscent of the treatment of Julian Assange.
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Speaker 3: And I wonder about access to legal counsel because that's
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Speaker 3: something that Julian Assigned was not given. He wasn't given
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Speaker 3: free access to his legal counsel and even had his
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Speaker 3: court documents taken by CIRCO guards during the hearings, where
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Speaker 3: he lost all of his briefings and things like that.
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Speaker 3: So all of that stuff happens, believe it or not,
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Speaker 3: even in this great justice system. They're Britain. So I
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Speaker 3: wonder it'll be interesting to hear more about what's going
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Speaker 3: on with the defendants and behind the scenes, and are
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Speaker 3: they afforded proper due process or not. That will be
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Speaker 3: something certainly that we should be looking for and hopefully
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Speaker 3: our question, well, we hope so.
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Speaker 11: And so just one final comment, you know, will we
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Speaker 11: ever know the extent to which the Israeli Embassy and
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Speaker 11: by extension, tell Aviv put pressure on ministers to make
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Speaker 11: an example of these people.
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Speaker 1: That's a very good question.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go some way to answering that in a
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Speaker 2: couple of minutes time. But anyway, before we do that,
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Speaker 2: before we move on to other matters related to this,
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Speaker 2: I just want to finish off here by saying that
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Speaker 2: the trial itself, of course, has already been said.
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Speaker 1: It's going to run for ten weeks in total.
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Speaker 2: It's in parallel as Patrick Cannadad are there with the
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Speaker 2: challenge to the prescription of Palestine Action, which is due
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Speaker 2: to begin on the twenty fifth of November. So you know,
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Speaker 2: obviously that's going to go in parallel. These two kisses
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Speaker 2: are not supposed to interfere with each other at all.
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Speaker 3: But yet they probably will. Yes, they already are, one
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Speaker 3: would argue. But on this same topic here as something.
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Speaker 3: There was a tragedy that happened as well related to this.
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Speaker 3: We'll bring this up on screen. This is mint Press news.
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Speaker 3: A journalist died while covering the Filton twenty four protests
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Speaker 3: after an attack on the demonstrators by pro Israel counter
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Speaker 3: protesters and Lit's hear more about this. This was posted
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Speaker 3: on mint Press News' Facebook page. Just in the last
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Speaker 3: day or so. David Leear passed away after collapsing outside
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Speaker 3: HMP Pentonville on Saturday the fifteenth, and the incident occurred
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Speaker 3: minutes after an alleged violent altercation involving a pro Israel
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Speaker 3: counter protester during a solidarity demonstration for imprisoned Palestine Action
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Speaker 3: activists that Filton twenty four. The deceased David Lear had
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Speaker 3: been identified as a well known London community journalist independent
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Speaker 3: videographer who was documenting the protest, and the death is
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Speaker 3: currently under investigation. So that happened and so the results
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Speaker 3: of this. We'll like to get Basil's comment on this.
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Speaker 3: This is quite an interesting one. It would be interesting
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Speaker 3: to see if there is found to be any connection
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Speaker 3: between the violent altercation with the Israeli counter protester and
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Speaker 3: this journalist who died of a heart attack, that should,
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Speaker 3: in theory, Basil, raise to the level of mainstream coverage.
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Speaker 11: What do you think, Well, I think it would almost
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Speaker 11: certainly have been raised in the level of mainstream coverage.
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Speaker 11: Had the pro genocide potester collapsed and died, I think
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Speaker 11: it would have been all over the national newspapers that
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Speaker 11: what a tragedy this was, particularly if that individual was
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Speaker 11: a certain faith and no doubt it would have been
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Speaker 11: used to demonize the protesters. But because it was somebody
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Speaker 11: who was there in solidarity with Palestine action, it has
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Speaker 11: been dutifully buried by the corporate media.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunate collateral damage according to the mainstream, not even worth
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Speaker 3: a headline anywhere. We'll keep an eye to see if
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Speaker 3: they do get coverage on this. But there was another
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Speaker 3: violent altercation which Basil is aware of. And Crispin Flintoff,
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Speaker 3: who has a great show and a great YouTube channel,
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Speaker 3: he interviewed Nick George or Nick George's and this happened
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Speaker 3: in Surrey, Mike recently. This was a seventy three year
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Speaker 3: old protester, peace protester protesting for Palestine was attacked and
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Speaker 3: this is what he said. The interview was conducted in
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Speaker 3: his car via weblink. Listen, listen to this and this
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Speaker 3: where this conversation is going to go. It seems to
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Speaker 3: be pretty obvious by the end of it. But let's
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Speaker 3: roll this.
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Speaker 9: But one thing Israel hates is people supporting or protesting
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Speaker 9: for Palestine. Now one way they can try and crush
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Speaker 9: Palestine protesters in his country. It's far Tommy Robinson, Tommy
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Speaker 9: Robinson is funded entirely by Israel. He's a huge fan
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Speaker 9: of Israel. And in the last couple of months we
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Speaker 9: have noticed a dramatic rise in the violence and the
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Speaker 9: aggression and the hatred with which we're being met. We're
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Speaker 9: getting white and it obviously scientists and still protesting against us,
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Speaker 9: but now it's dramatically been taken over by white van man,
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Speaker 9: your average white builder, and the amount of people in
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Speaker 9: vans who have had literally windows that wound fully down,
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Speaker 9: they're half out their vans and their anger and their
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Speaker 9: rage giving us the finger, swearing abuse at us. And
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Speaker 9: this increase has really been dramatic in the last month,
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Speaker 9: maybe a couple of months, so something's definitely happened, and
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Speaker 9: you know, it's getting very dangerous now to protest some
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Speaker 9: Palistine which is obviously the intention and the fear that
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Speaker 9: they want to spread. Tommy Robinson has to go to
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Speaker 9: court the other day and he was interviewed before going
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Speaker 9: to court, saying normally, he said, our crowdfund for these
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Speaker 9: court things to pay for it. But he said, I
20:51
Speaker 9: don't have to worry this time because Elon Musk has
20:54
Speaker 9: said categorically he will fund my defense completely. So I'm
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Speaker 9: sure Tommy Robinson and as toldal As people they can
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Speaker 9: do what they like because they will get all the
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Speaker 9: support they need when it comes to court, which is
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Speaker 9: quite a chilling thought.
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Speaker 3: So a seventy three year old protests, he was knocked
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Speaker 3: unconscious at a concussion, also aggravated a heart condition as well,
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Speaker 3: and so that was an attack by multiple as a
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Speaker 3: younger people, and so what he had to say there
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Speaker 3: was quite an interesting observation. He's on the front line
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Speaker 3: of the protests and he's saying there's been a change
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Speaker 3: in the profile of the people coming after them, and
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Speaker 3: I want to bring Basil Valentine back on this. Basil.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen this clip or not.
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Speaker 3: This was on the Crispin flint Off Show, But what
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Speaker 3: are your thoughts on what was just said there by
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Speaker 3: Nick George from Surrey.
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Speaker 11: Well, we know that it's impossible to make Israel look
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Speaker 11: good when it's just committed and it's continuing to commit genocide.
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Speaker 11: So the edict has gone out from Tel Aviv to
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Speaker 11: demonize all Muslims and all their supporters as well, and
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Speaker 11: to conflate Palestine's solidarity, which is about respecting international law
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Speaker 11: and humanitarian issues as much as anything else with the
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Speaker 11: Muslim community. So the skinnead types you saw there and
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Speaker 11: the white van Man mister George referred to, have been
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Speaker 11: whipped up into a frenzy, really a very aggressive one
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Speaker 11: by unfortunately what appears to be, at least for the
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Speaker 11: time being, a successful campaign by Robinson and his handlers
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Speaker 11: to direct that they would love to direct British Britain's
22:48
Speaker 11: Muslim community at Palestine's solidarity protesters, because you can't be
22:53
Speaker 11: accused of a hate crime if you are targeting white
22:56
Speaker 11: people protesting in support of Palistine But of course if
23:00
Speaker 11: you go around simply abusing people outside mosques or things,
23:03
Speaker 11: then then you can. So it's a sort of redirection
23:07
Speaker 11: of the you know, the the resentments that's been whipped
23:13
Speaker 11: up in recent years and focusing it on you know,
23:18
Speaker 11: very we must say sort of there, I said, low IQ,
23:21
Speaker 11: low information people directing their I at anything to do
23:26
Speaker 11: with Palestine because of course it's also associated with left
23:29
Speaker 11: wing causes, so on and so forth, so it becomes
23:32
Speaker 11: a sort of suitably dressed up bete noir for Robinson's
23:37
Speaker 11: dim witted acolytes.
23:39
Speaker 3: The comments that caught me was the Elon Musk comment,
23:42
Speaker 3: like the fact that Elon Musk is throw and we'll
23:45
Speaker 3: bring him up on screen. This is is the Elon
23:47
Speaker 3: at the gate crashing the AfD rally, albeit remotely, but
23:51
Speaker 3: he is throwing a lot of money at this, not
23:56
Speaker 3: only Elon but also Peter Thiel as well. They're flooding
24:00
Speaker 3: the European political They're flooding the European They're flooding the
24:05
Speaker 3: European political system with cash and nobody knows really where
24:10
Speaker 3: this is going to end. Mike, he's also trying to oust,
24:13
Speaker 3: farrage or split the reform vote. So Musk is doing
24:17
Speaker 3: all of these things. So that's the past. You can't forget.
24:19
Speaker 2: He's just been given a trillion dollars by Tesla, so
24:24
Speaker 2: his salary has just been settled at a trillion dollars.
24:26
Speaker 2: And this to me is massively dangerous. Whenever someone like
24:30
Speaker 2: that gets that sort of Quarday money, what's he going
24:33
Speaker 2: to do? But he's not spending it on cars for himself.
24:35
Speaker 2: He's not spending it. He's spending it doing exactly exactly
24:39
Speaker 2: this kind of activism and of very commas.
24:42
Speaker 3: There are the twenty baby mamas, but that's another story.
24:45
Speaker 2: But even they can't eat twenty a trillion dollars worth of.
24:50
Speaker 3: Food, you know. So, but this is American money flooding
24:54
Speaker 3: into British and European politics, particularly into the sort of
24:58
Speaker 3: far right and the political spectrum right, and that should
25:02
Speaker 3: really concern a lot of people. And it's what he
25:04
Speaker 3: said about their legal expenses being covered. I mean, imagine
25:07
Speaker 3: if that's an actual thing. That's the accusation by the
25:11
Speaker 3: by Nick George. If this is true, it is very disturbing.
25:14
Speaker 2: Right, So do you want to mention for Ajigan, Well.
25:19
Speaker 3: Not really, but we just threw them up on screen
25:22
Speaker 3: to say this is all part of that equation as well.
25:26
Speaker 3: So we will continue this political conversation in the coming
25:29
Speaker 3: weeks and months. But something happened with the the IDF
25:33
Speaker 3: made announcement, didn't.
25:34
Speaker 1: They They did. Let's just put that on screen.
25:37
Speaker 2: So on X A couple of days ago or a
25:39
Speaker 2: week or so ago, the IDF posted an international Seminar
25:43
Speaker 2: on Operational Lessons from the War across all Arenas began
25:47
Speaker 2: today with senior commanders and officials from various militaries worldwide,
25:51
Speaker 2: led by the IDF participator in. Participating countries include the
25:55
Speaker 2: United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany, Finland and India, Cyprus,
26:00
Speaker 2: Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Estonia, Japan, Morocco, Romania, Serbia
26:05
Speaker 2: and Slovakia. And they said the purpose of the seminar
26:08
Speaker 2: is to strengthen cooperation, enhance familiarity with diverse operational approaches,
26:14
Speaker 2: exchange professional knowledge and experience between the participating militaries and
26:18
Speaker 2: reinforce understanding of the IDFs activity. Now we find this
26:24
Speaker 2: interesting that the UK was mentioned in that. So Charles
26:28
Speaker 2: Charles wrote to the Ministry of Defense, let's bring it
26:30
Speaker 2: on screen and well this was their response. They said,
26:36
Speaker 2: no UK officials attended the event in question. That's a
26:40
Speaker 2: very interesting response. Well, we decided we wanted a bit
26:43
Speaker 2: of clarification on that, and so the clarification that the
26:47
Speaker 2: Ministry of Defense gave us was the invitation was not declined,
26:51
Speaker 2: but no UK officials were able to attend the event
26:54
Speaker 2: in question. The language here is very very clear. This
26:58
Speaker 2: is a clear effort to obfuscate and hide the truth,
27:01
Speaker 2: because of course military personnel would never be described as officials.
27:06
Speaker 2: The term official applies to civilian staff that might be
27:09
Speaker 2: civil servants. We might include spooks in that, but we
27:12
Speaker 2: certainly would not include military personnel. So this denial that
27:17
Speaker 2: the UK was attending is no denial at all.
27:21
Speaker 3: I don't know really, but to say the invitation was
27:24
Speaker 3: not declined, that's a political statement designed to show that
27:27
Speaker 3: we're not against Israel, basically.
27:30
Speaker 1: Not against the event either.
27:31
Speaker 3: Not offending the Israeli counterparts. But the Telegraph ran a story.
27:37
Speaker 3: It's funny when the tweet that we put up we
27:40
Speaker 3: showed you a minute ago. The Telegraph ran a story
27:42
Speaker 3: yesterday saying that Britain would not be sending anybody because
27:45
Speaker 3: they didn't want to. They didn't want to be involved.
27:49
Speaker 2: Which is why we decided to contact the Ministry Defense
27:52
Speaker 2: and get their take on it. So actually the Telegraph
27:55
Speaker 2: was quite definitive suggesting that Britain had not attended. The
27:58
Speaker 2: Ministry Defense somewhat less definitive about that, and in fact,
28:03
Speaker 2: following these statements from the Ministry Defense, we went back
28:06
Speaker 2: to the IDF and asked them for verification about whether
28:09
Speaker 2: Britain attended or not, and they basically just reid ridded
28:13
Speaker 2: the earlier statement. So they did not deny that Britain
28:18
Speaker 2: was there. They didn't say we weren't there, and in
28:21
Speaker 2: fact that they basically would neither confirm nor deny in
28:25
Speaker 2: a sort of simple language.
28:28
Speaker 3: But their press releases went out to the Israeli media
28:31
Speaker 3: and they all say that Britain attended. They did the
28:33
Speaker 3: UK attendant, So is completely inconsistent inconsistency on this, So
28:38
Speaker 3: it would be interesting. We'll see this may go somewhere,
28:42
Speaker 3: it may not, but we'll keep it. We'll keep our
28:44
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28:44
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28:48
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29:52
Speaker 2: and we're delighted to have Kit Klarenberg with us today.
29:56
Speaker 3: Yeah. Two great articles that Kit has all third, one
30:00
Speaker 3: on the international organ trafficking networks and the other is
30:03
Speaker 3: a new disclosure on nine to eleven that was missed
30:06
Speaker 3: in the media coverage. But I wan to welcome him
30:08
Speaker 3: on to the program right now to talk about this
30:11
Speaker 3: first story. This is up on Kit's substack. Kit, welcome
30:15
Speaker 3: to the UK Column this week.
30:18
Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going very well?
30:20
Speaker 3: Very well? But this is a very disturbing story Kit.
30:23
Speaker 3: You know, we we we've seen elements of this rear
30:27
Speaker 3: it's ugly head in Syria, in Gaza, in Ukraine and
30:31
Speaker 3: other places. And now you've you've kind of brought this
30:34
Speaker 3: story full circle. And it happened because of this arrest
30:38
Speaker 3: of this Israeli I don't know what to call him, businessman, oligarch, millionaire,
30:44
Speaker 3: but what you've uncovered here, Kit is very disturbing and
30:48
Speaker 3: it surprise, surprise, it traces back to to Israel. But
30:53
Speaker 3: tell us about this this global global Zionist organ trafficking conspiracy.
30:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, sure so, I mean, just as a bit
31:01
Speaker 7: of background, Ever since the nineteen nineties, Palestinians, including Palatinian
31:08
Speaker 7: medical professionals, have been shouting from the rooftops that the
31:14
Speaker 7: Zionist entity is harvesting the organs of Palestinians, both living
31:19
Speaker 7: and dead, in its custody, and the Israeli state has
31:24
Speaker 7: typically referred to, well typically responded to these allegations as
31:28
Speaker 7: an anti Semitic bloodline.
31:30
Speaker 6: Of course, No, the.
31:32
Speaker 7: Reality is is that Israel is the international center of
31:36
Speaker 7: illegal or organ trafficking and harvesting, and a significant proportion
31:43
Speaker 7: of the organs under the hammer which buyers pay up
31:48
Speaker 7: to you know, two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars
31:51
Speaker 7: for are sourced from Palestinians. There is a I honed
31:56
Speaker 7: in on this particular story of the rest of the
32:01
Speaker 7: Israeli Ukrainian Boris Wolfman rather aptly named because he it
32:07
Speaker 7: was a very prominent figure within the within the illicit
32:12
Speaker 7: organ trade internationally for many years. He acted with total impunity.
32:16
Speaker 7: He was wanted in multiple jurisdictions and was subject to
32:19
Speaker 7: an Interpol red notice. He somehow lived at Liberty in
32:23
Speaker 7: Turkey for many many years while running further organ harvesting schemes.
32:32
Speaker 7: Now this stuff is really quite sophisticated. So the kind
32:38
Speaker 7: of the Israeli mafia, I'm sure they operate with state
32:42
Speaker 7: approval and sanctioned. They coordinate with organized crime networks in
32:49
Speaker 7: very poor countries, and they lure people from the global South,
32:54
Speaker 7: typically to a network internettional network of hospitals and medical centers,
33:03
Speaker 7: with promises that they'll get tens of thousands of dollars
33:07
Speaker 7: for their organs. Then typically they are given little, if
33:11
Speaker 7: not nothing, and sent packing with zero you know, supplementary
33:17
Speaker 7: medical care, therefore putting their lives at significant risk and
33:22
Speaker 7: what's quite striking is that over and over and over
33:25
Speaker 7: again there have been examples of organ trafficking conspiracies being busted,
33:32
Speaker 7: you know, in every corner of the globe. In most cases,
33:35
Speaker 7: and when I say most, I mean you know, pretty
33:37
Speaker 7: much all of them. The criminal trail leads back to
33:41
Speaker 7: Tel Aviv. And yeah, in twenty fifteen, the European Parliament
33:47
Speaker 7: published very detailed report on the ILLICITIT organ trader and
33:52
Speaker 7: it repeatedly makes the point that Israel is at the
33:55
Speaker 7: forefront of this. Now, you know, you might think, given
33:59
Speaker 7: that this is a deep and deeply criminal activity, and
34:05
Speaker 7: you know it is, I mean, on top of just
34:08
Speaker 7: being horrendous from a moral and and medical ethical point perspective,
34:14
Speaker 7: that this would be you know, a high risk venture
34:17
Speaker 7: for someone to undertake.
34:19
Speaker 1: No.
34:20
Speaker 7: Over and over and over again there have been people
34:23
Speaker 7: have evaded justice despite overwhelming evidence of their involvement in
34:28
Speaker 7: these schemes. Some people have you vanished without trace. You know,
34:32
Speaker 7: they're probably you know, be in you know, some kind
34:36
Speaker 7: of protective custody somewhere, you know, courtesy of the Zionists.
34:42
Speaker 7: But I mean, you know that in the rare event
34:47
Speaker 7: that people are actually captured for you know, subject to
34:51
Speaker 7: legal repercussions for this activity.
34:53
Speaker 6: They're given a slap on the wrists. So in the
34:56
Speaker 6: in the mid two thousands in.
34:57
Speaker 7: The US, there was a a rabbi I believe his
35:03
Speaker 7: name was is Zach Rosenbau. He was arrested by the
35:09
Speaker 7: FBI for running the s it's international organ smuggling and
35:15
Speaker 7: trafficking conspiracy that spanned multiple countries.
35:19
Speaker 6: IT employees, it basically.
35:21
Speaker 7: Bribed American doctors to carry out illegal procedures, and he
35:28
Speaker 7: received two and a half years in prison and a
35:30
Speaker 7: minor fine for so you know, he must have reached
35:34
Speaker 7: millions doing this over many years. But you know, and
35:39
Speaker 7: the FBI clearly invested an enormous amount of time, money,
35:42
Speaker 7: and energy in capture, in you know, amassing evidence to
35:48
Speaker 7: justify his arrest and prosecution, and then it didn't really
35:50
Speaker 7: lead to anything, and everybody kind of forgotten about it.
35:53
Speaker 7: Now I think that the Guards of Genocide has really
35:59
Speaker 7: kind of brought this this phenomenon into this into sharp
36:04
Speaker 7: relief because the Israeli authorities are holding on to a
36:11
Speaker 7: vast amount of Palestinians, which in some cases, you know,
36:15
Speaker 7: the Zionist occupation forces have raided from mass graves and
36:19
Speaker 7: transported back to Tel Aviv. And on the rare occasions
36:25
Speaker 7: that these bodies are released to the friends and family
36:31
Speaker 7: and loved ones of you know, people of people in question,
36:35
Speaker 7: they're usually so deformed that it's impossible to conduct autopsies
36:42
Speaker 7: and tell if they're organs stolen.
36:45
Speaker 6: All they are that they're.
36:47
Speaker 7: Delivered having been held that you know, kind of minus
36:49
Speaker 7: seventy temperatures, so they're like this frozen block. And you know, therefore,
36:54
Speaker 7: medical examinations are again very difficult, if not impossible, And
36:59
Speaker 7: there have been numerous reports from organizations like euromed Monitor
37:03
Speaker 7: which point to, how, you know, the doctors working for
37:07
Speaker 7: the Red Cross who've received, who've uh received or inspected
37:12
Speaker 7: these bodies, see very clear signs that their organs have
37:15
Speaker 7: been harvested wholesale. And you know, so again this is
37:20
Speaker 7: quite clearly being done with with with state approval, if
37:24
Speaker 7: not encouragement.
37:25
Speaker 6: And I might add that the.
37:29
Speaker 7: In the after the turn of the new millennium, there
37:33
Speaker 7: is an individual, Yehudah Hiss, who is the head of
37:36
Speaker 7: Israel's Abu Kabir Institute, which is this forensic science institute,
37:40
Speaker 7: and its its name is taken from the former Palestinian
37:44
Speaker 7: village which was ethnically cleansed and destroyed like that, which
37:49
Speaker 7: where you know that locale is now where this forensic
37:52
Speaker 7: center is based. And he openly admitted that during the
37:56
Speaker 7: first into Fada, which was the first Palestinian uprising against
38:00
Speaker 7: Zion is the pressure from the late eighties until the
38:04
Speaker 7: early nineties. Yes, that he was given a green light
38:08
Speaker 7: to take whatever he wanted from the vast amount of
38:11
Speaker 7: bodies that were passing through the institute. And he was
38:15
Speaker 7: not only not reprimanded after he may be the puppets disclosures,
38:19
Speaker 7: he received a promotion and a pay raise.
38:23
Speaker 3: So Kit just in the interested time, We just got
38:26
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes left, but we're going to show
38:28
Speaker 3: on screen this is some of the data in Kit's report.
38:31
Speaker 3: Let's bring this up on screen. Here to typical profile
38:34
Speaker 3: here of the typical quote donor and then the typical recipient.
38:39
Speaker 3: As you can see, this is a lopsided equation which
38:42
Speaker 3: Kit alluded to there. And here is the global network.
38:45
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at that. As you can see,
38:47
Speaker 3: all roads lead back to Tel Aviv, all roads lead
38:51
Speaker 3: back to Israel, and you see Kosovo in the frame
38:54
Speaker 3: there as well as some other countries Saudi Arabia as well.
38:58
Speaker 3: And so if you look in this article and this
39:00
Speaker 3: is a great report, we've got a link to this
39:02
Speaker 3: in our show notes here. You know islenses, cochlears, missing
39:08
Speaker 3: skin missing when these Palestinian bodies are finally returned. But
39:13
Speaker 3: this is the one I want to quickly ask you about.
39:15
Speaker 3: We just have a minute left, kit. This is from
39:18
Speaker 3: Pristina in Kosovo. Tell us how this factors into the story.
39:23
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, sure, so, I mean allegations of the Kosovo,
39:29
Speaker 7: which is of course home to the US's largest military
39:33
Speaker 7: base in Europe by some margin, Camp Bondsteel. Allegations the
39:37
Speaker 7: Kosovo is the center of organ trafficking have a lot abounded.
39:42
Speaker 7: In October two thousand and eight, it was confirmed that yes,
39:46
Speaker 7: this is rather an unwelcoming welcome sign that's on screen
39:50
Speaker 7: for the Medica's clinic. An Israeli and a notorious Turkish
39:56
Speaker 7: organ high trafficker called.
39:58
Speaker 6: Use of Somnez.
40:00
Speaker 7: They were again luring poor disadvantage people to this medical center,
40:08
Speaker 7: harvesting their organs and sending them onto the highest bidder.
40:12
Speaker 7: The police caught onto this after a young turkishman collapsed
40:16
Speaker 7: that Pristina airport and was found to have had his
40:19
Speaker 7: kidney recently removed. Wolfman, the aforementioned was involved in this
40:25
Speaker 7: and fled Kosovo for Turkey thereafter. Yeah, like this was
40:31
Speaker 7: a pretty significant case which got an enormous about media coverage,
40:35
Speaker 7: and it seemed that Kosovo authorities were very very keen
40:39
Speaker 7: to prosecute. And yet everyone involved remains at large apart
40:42
Speaker 7: from now Boris Wolfman, and so you know, we shall
40:45
Speaker 7: see whether his prosecution sheds any further light on the
40:49
Speaker 7: kind of criminal networks he was operating in. But I
40:53
Speaker 7: mean chances of justice for you know, for others involved
40:57
Speaker 7: in involved in the syndicate, probably Zeros.
41:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you for this Kit and again this
41:03
Speaker 3: report in our show notes. Go visit Kit at subsec.
41:06
Speaker 3: We'll come back to KIT in a few moments for
41:09
Speaker 3: some nine to eleven revelations as well made. But the
41:12
Speaker 3: big peace steal or the latest piece steel, the twenty
41:15
Speaker 3: eight point piece steal. Trump and the Russians apparently have
41:18
Speaker 3: put something together and they've given it to Zelenski and
41:22
Speaker 3: the Europeans for approval. Not going so well, is it not?
41:26
Speaker 3: What a surprise let's take a look at this deal.
41:29
Speaker 3: So we'll bring this up on screen. Here we go.
41:31
Speaker 3: These are the two main stakeholders in this one. Apparently
41:35
Speaker 3: this was decided so this edition of let's make a deal.
41:39
Speaker 3: Let's see what they've got in store for us here.
41:42
Speaker 3: Obviously this is the belated peace steal. Here are the
41:45
Speaker 3: key points. You've got Donald Trump putin and Zelenski down
41:49
Speaker 3: below there towards towards the bottom where he is comfortable.
41:54
Speaker 3: No NATO membership, that's the stipulation, next EU membership. Okay,
42:00
Speaker 3: for Ukraine, and again this has been in greed and
42:02
Speaker 3: principle between Russia and the US. Crimea, Donyesk, and Lukhansk
42:06
Speaker 3: are recognized as Russian territory. That's going to be a
42:10
Speaker 3: sticking point. Hrsan and Zaparishia are frozen along the current
42:14
Speaker 3: line of contact. The size of the armed forces of
42:18
Speaker 3: Ukraine is capped, and Ukraine remains a non nuclear state.
42:22
Speaker 3: So those are the kind of more military territorial highlights
42:26
Speaker 3: in here. Obviously there's a lot more than this, mike,
42:29
Speaker 3: but you can see already things there that are just
42:31
Speaker 3: going to be red lines for the Europeans, and definitely
42:34
Speaker 3: for Zelenski if he wants to survive into twenty twenty six.
42:40
Speaker 3: So here are the interesting economic points. Sanctions to be
42:44
Speaker 3: lifted on Russia, G eight membership reinstated for the Russian Federation.
42:48
Speaker 3: One hundred billion in frozen Russian assets will go towards
42:53
Speaker 3: Ukraine's reconstruction. Interesting that Russia would have approved that in principle.
42:58
Speaker 3: But the US receives fifty percent of the profits of
43:02
Speaker 3: those reconstruction contracts. So Donald Trump's got his transaction baked
43:05
Speaker 3: in there. And Europe must contribute an additional one hundred
43:09
Speaker 3: billion towards this reconstruction effort as well, So he's really
43:13
Speaker 3: sticking it to the Europeans here. So Donald's not sticking
43:16
Speaker 3: his hand in his pocket for reconstruction, but the Europeans
43:20
Speaker 3: have to r That's interesting here, and we'll go and
43:23
Speaker 3: it continues. The remaining frozen Russian assets are directed to
43:27
Speaker 3: a joint American Russian fund for projects. So Trump wants
43:32
Speaker 3: to be business partners with the Russians. This is going
43:36
Speaker 3: to drive a lot of people around the bend, you
43:39
Speaker 3: can be sure about that. And finally, this is the
43:42
Speaker 3: difficult part Zelenski elections in Ukraine to be held one
43:45
Speaker 3: hundred days after an agreement is signed. So of course
43:48
Speaker 3: he's not going to sign this agreement, Mike. So you
43:52
Speaker 3: can see already the reaction on this, and so this
43:55
Speaker 3: is the problem, that's the problem getting this past these guys,
44:00
Speaker 3: and in particularly Mike, this guy that one has a
44:04
Speaker 3: particular problem. Doesn't he with this?
44:06
Speaker 2: Well, he absolutely does, but well, certainly he does in
44:10
Speaker 2: all the public statements, and just a couple of days
44:13
Speaker 2: ago in the United Nations, this lovely gentleman Archie Young,
44:18
Speaker 2: who's the UK's Deputy Permanent representative to the UN, he
44:21
Speaker 2: was making a speech, if you like, to the Security
44:25
Speaker 2: Council and really setting down the UK's position. Our position
44:29
Speaker 2: is clear, we do not and will never recognize Russia's
44:33
Speaker 2: legal annexation of Crimea, because of course that's part of
44:35
Speaker 2: this as well. Borders must not be changed by force. Really,
44:39
Speaker 2: that's an unbelievably hypocritical position, is it not.
44:43
Speaker 1: And we're going to come on to more British hypocrities
44:45
Speaker 1: that count?
44:45
Speaker 3: Does the Kosover count there?
44:47
Speaker 2: Well, perhaps we need to be returning some other borders
44:51
Speaker 2: that have been changed by force from the other side.
44:53
Speaker 3: And Hungary should get all its territory back after World
44:55
Speaker 3: War One as well. Well, that was sort of by force,
44:58
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
44:58
Speaker 1: How far back do we go? But put him back
45:00
Speaker 1: on screen.
45:01
Speaker 2: Then he followed up by saying, we deplore the worst
45:03
Speaker 2: thing human rights situation, condemned the militarization of Crimea because
45:07
Speaker 2: they keep pushing the same old narratives again, particularly which
45:12
Speaker 2: got your goat this morning, Patrick, including a llegal mobilization
45:16
Speaker 2: of residents, disproportioned targeted of Crimean tatars and the militarization
45:20
Speaker 2: of children through powamilitary programs. This is the British propaganda rhetoric.
45:26
Speaker 3: Well, go back to that one illegal including illegal mobilization
45:30
Speaker 3: of residents. So in other words, if the residents want
45:33
Speaker 3: to raise a militia to defend their communities, that's illegal
45:36
Speaker 3: and secede. Doesn't that fall under Article one of Self
45:40
Speaker 3: determination and Charter.
45:43
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm not aware that on Crimea there's
45:46
Speaker 2: any sort of conscription gangs running around, whereas in Ukraine
45:51
Speaker 2: we definitely see that on a regular basis.
45:53
Speaker 3: Oh definitely not. In fact, many Ukrainian soldiers who were
45:57
Speaker 3: Ukrainian nationals defected to the Russian The Crimeanside immediately after
46:02
Speaker 3: midn hundreds, if not thousands of people fell into that category.
46:06
Speaker 3: That's to say nothing about multiple referendums that Crimea attempted
46:11
Speaker 3: to secede from Ukraine after the Iron Curtain fell. Of course,
46:15
Speaker 3: no talk about that. But you know, from a legal
46:18
Speaker 3: point of view, we've spoke to many international law scholars, Mike,
46:21
Speaker 3: Crimea has a textbookcase for independence. It's very clear cut,
46:27
Speaker 3: and historically it's a much stronger case than costs of
46:30
Speaker 3: that's for sure, if you really want to get into
46:32
Speaker 3: this debate.
46:33
Speaker 2: But anyway, Britain is clearly going to be one hundred
46:35
Speaker 2: percent against any territory going to Russia or being perceived
46:41
Speaker 2: to be going to Russia, no matter what it actually is.
46:44
Speaker 2: So do you think this plan has a chance?
46:47
Speaker 3: Well, I think I don't think it has a chance
46:51
Speaker 3: with regards to getting the Europeans or Zelensky to agree
46:54
Speaker 3: to it. But I am surprised, Mike to see some
46:57
Speaker 3: of those bullet points because I honestly I didn't think
47:00
Speaker 3: Trump the Trump administration had it in them. But you know,
47:03
Speaker 3: better late than never are they trying to mail this
47:05
Speaker 3: one in before Christmas? But again, nothing's going to stop
47:09
Speaker 3: the British or the Europeans or Zelenski from sabotaging anything
47:14
Speaker 3: that's going on here in terms of moving things towards
47:16
Speaker 3: the negotiated settlement. But at least it's on the record
47:19
Speaker 3: and people can see Russia gave major concessions there. You're
47:23
Speaker 3: talking about one hundred billion, You're talking about other concessions
47:27
Speaker 3: that were also that we highlight there.
47:28
Speaker 2: Well, if this is right, we're talking about them letting
47:31
Speaker 2: go stolen you know, effectively stolen.
47:34
Speaker 3: Assets, stolen assets and then getting into a business arrangement
47:38
Speaker 3: with a country that's already basically screwed you, the United States.
47:43
Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's if that's not a show
47:45
Speaker 3: of good faith from Moscow considering what's been done to
47:48
Speaker 3: them visa vs. Sanctions and all of the other sort
47:51
Speaker 3: of broken deals promises. And if we want to go
47:54
Speaker 3: right back to the minx Accords and you and Resolution
47:56
Speaker 3: two two zero two, Yeah, we can reverse this timeline
48:01
Speaker 3: and make a huge case here against what the US
48:04
Speaker 3: and its European partners have done to exacerbate and create
48:09
Speaker 3: this conflict that everybody is losing their minds over.
48:13
Speaker 2: Ket We're just about to move on to nine to eleven.
48:15
Speaker 2: But before we do, have you got any any thoughts
48:17
Speaker 2: on that?
48:19
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the peace plan is I mean, I'm surprised.
48:23
Speaker 7: I'm likewise surprised that Russia has apparently made these fairly
48:28
Speaker 7: significant concessions. They've been willing to do this for since
48:32
Speaker 7: the very start, as long as their basic security requirements
48:36
Speaker 7: are met. But yeah, I mean, the Ukrainians are not
48:41
Speaker 7: going to accept this. I think, you know, the deranged
48:44
Speaker 7: yap in Kaya Kalas has said that this is you know,
48:48
Speaker 7: that there's a betrayal of Kievan, that we won't support this,
48:52
Speaker 7: and I mean, you know, the reality is is that,
48:54
Speaker 7: you know, if it was accepted by the Ukrainian side,
48:57
Speaker 7: there's probably going to be an internal second may Dan
49:00
Speaker 7: led by fascist Western BacT you know, as of right sector,
49:05
Speaker 7: you know, all of these neo Nazi paramilitary groups, and
49:09
Speaker 7: also the threat of massive blowback towards European countries, you know,
49:13
Speaker 7: because they've been quote unquote stabbed in the back by
49:15
Speaker 7: their by their sponsors. So yeah, I'm highly unlikely this
49:19
Speaker 7: this deal is going to go ahead. It's the best
49:22
Speaker 7: that Ukraine can get at this point that I think
49:25
Speaker 7: perhaps we'll probably see fighting continue for you know, maybe
49:29
Speaker 7: up to another year, and then go through the same
49:31
Speaker 7: cycle of Ukraine being offered an even worse deal, maybe
49:35
Speaker 7: where they get to keep Kiev, you know, like, so yeah,
49:39
Speaker 7: we shall we.
49:40
Speaker 6: Shall, we shall see. But I mean, you know, I
49:42
Speaker 6: I zero optimism that this is that this will go ahead.
49:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I agree with Kit. By the way,
49:49
Speaker 3: we're going to do another round of this story in
49:52
Speaker 3: a year's time, and it's not going to be good
49:53
Speaker 3: for the Ukrainians by that time. But the subject of
49:56
Speaker 3: nine to eleven has reared its head once again September eleven,
50:00
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, and particularly and again don't mean
50:03
Speaker 3: to trigger anybody with this animation. I didn't realize it
50:06
Speaker 3: flew in like that, like a plane would fly in
50:09
Speaker 3: the nineteen hijackers of nine to eleven, seven of which
50:12
Speaker 3: I believe were alive afterwards, which is another story anyway.
50:16
Speaker 3: But Kit has Wrotten written a great piece on this.
50:19
Speaker 3: It's up on his substack here. It is court filings
50:22
Speaker 3: exposes nine to eleven cover up.
50:25
Speaker 6: Kit.
50:25
Speaker 3: We've got a few minutes left, but explain to us
50:29
Speaker 3: what you have discovered here, Kit, because I didn't see
50:31
Speaker 3: a lot of media coverage about this, but I'm glad
50:34
Speaker 3: that you highlighted it. Go ahead, Well, thank you very much.
50:38
Speaker 6: Patrick.
50:39
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean, just in brief, in April twenty
50:41
Speaker 7: twenty three, the Office of Military Commissions, which is the
50:45
Speaker 7: court which is charged with prosecuting nine to eleven suspects
50:50
Speaker 7: like Khalat shape Muhammet, it released this bombshell filing. It
50:55
Speaker 7: was released by FOI, which concluded that at least two
50:59
Speaker 7: of the ELECS hijackers had been recruited by the CIA
51:02
Speaker 7: using the Saudis as a liaison. Now there's the I
51:07
Speaker 7: reported on that at the time that kind of blew up.
51:09
Speaker 7: But the same document has all sorts of illuminating insight
51:13
Speaker 7: into how the nine to eleventh Commission, which was this
51:18
Speaker 7: whitewash farce set up to not investigate the attacks and
51:23
Speaker 7: not get sort of the truth buried, the CIA's involvement
51:28
Speaker 7: with the hijackers, and the centrality of the Saudis.
51:31
Speaker 6: To to that.
51:33
Speaker 7: And yeah, I mean, I would urge, given that we're
51:35
Speaker 7: kind of pushed for time here, I would urge.
51:37
Speaker 6: People to read the piece at full.
51:40
Speaker 7: It's just it contains numerous kind of first hand testimony
51:43
Speaker 7: from people who worked on the nine to eleven Commission
51:45
Speaker 7: who were blocked whenever in their attempts to investigate the
51:51
Speaker 7: Saudi connections by the chief Philip Zeleekow, who was very
51:54
Speaker 7: close to the British administration, was a kind of rabbid
51:57
Speaker 7: neo con who was who was calling for pretive war
52:00
Speaker 7: against Iraq in the late nineteen nineties. So you know,
52:04
Speaker 7: someone with a lot of complex of interest and someone
52:06
Speaker 7: who shouldn't have been heading this body. And yeah, it
52:10
Speaker 7: has all sorts of yes, as I say, kind of
52:12
Speaker 7: startling firsthand insight of staff as getting fired, the restrictions
52:18
Speaker 7: on what could be asked and who who could be questioned.
52:24
Speaker 7: It was very very clear that a lot of people
52:26
Speaker 7: on the commission were absolutely convinced that the Saudis were
52:30
Speaker 7: centrally implicated what happened, and that you know, they were
52:35
Speaker 7: doing this on the CIA's behalf to led some kind
52:38
Speaker 7: of cover. And I think also as well, it's important
52:41
Speaker 7: to bear in mind that the CIA officers who ran
52:45
Speaker 7: the unit that recruited the hijackers, which is called Alex Station,
52:50
Speaker 7: many of them after nine to eleven went on to
52:53
Speaker 7: lead the CIA's torture program, which was all about getting
52:57
Speaker 7: false testimony out of tainees, which is a very effective
53:02
Speaker 7: means of covering their own tracks and offering up a
53:07
Speaker 7: false narrative to the public that could justify the war
53:10
Speaker 7: on terror, and indeed, a false narrative of what happened
53:14
Speaker 7: on nine to eleven, which shockingly, according to polls, a.
53:17
Speaker 6: Majority of people world worldwide still believe.
53:21
Speaker 7: You know, this is despite the fact that, yes, the
53:25
Speaker 7: a Senate investigation found that the torture program elicited zero
53:30
Speaker 7: factual information and detainees frequently fabricated their answers to questions
53:37
Speaker 7: because they wanted the horrific abuse to which they were
53:40
Speaker 7: being subjected to stop. You know, the aforementioned Kalid Shakee
53:44
Speaker 7: Muhammad admitted underwater boardingly to plotting to build buildings that
53:48
Speaker 7: hadn't even been built yet when he was captured. You know,
53:53
Speaker 7: so like it's that it's that level of fart, but
53:56
Speaker 7: it's just it's I felt it necessary to write this
53:59
Speaker 7: because you know, there's there's we are now, you know,
54:03
Speaker 7: two and nearly two and a half decades on from
54:06
Speaker 7: from this kind of world changing day, the effects of
54:10
Speaker 7: which we still feel, you know, sorry, the effects of
54:15
Speaker 7: which are still reverberating today, and you know impact like
54:18
Speaker 7: daily daily life, like you know, all sorts of restrictions
54:21
Speaker 7: on on on, you know, bringing liquids with you on planes.
54:25
Speaker 7: That's a legacy of nine to eleven. You know, all
54:29
Speaker 7: of these completely ludicrous and unnecessary security measures that were
54:32
Speaker 7: implemented following the attack. Most of them are still in place.
54:37
Speaker 7: The Patriot Act is you know, effectively still operational.
54:42
Speaker 6: Uh uh.
54:43
Speaker 7: And you know, as we saw with COVID, people are
54:47
Speaker 7: pretty you know, pretty overwhelmingly willing to unquestionably accept more
54:53
Speaker 7: of this, uh, you know, more state intrusion, more curtailment
54:57
Speaker 7: on civil liberties, et cetera, you know, because they've been
55:02
Speaker 7: propagandaised into believing there's a massive threat facing them and
55:06
Speaker 7: all of this is necessary to protect them, which is
55:08
Speaker 7: quite worrying really, and it's something that we need to
55:11
Speaker 7: fight back against as firmly as possible.
55:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you Kit for and then thank you for
55:17
Speaker 3: highlighting this story. And you know, regardless of what you
55:20
Speaker 3: think happened on nine to eleven, everybody out there, the
55:23
Speaker 3: point is what's been highlighted here is that the so
55:27
Speaker 3: called hijackers, this story doesn't even stack up and completely
55:31
Speaker 3: infiltrated or handled by US intelligence with Saudi intelligence. So far,
55:36
Speaker 3: so the whole thing, like Nordstream and the super soldiers
55:40
Speaker 3: on the fifty foot yachts, thinks to high heaven. But again,
55:44
Speaker 3: go to Kit Clarenberg's Global Delinquents. Go to k clarenberg
55:48
Speaker 3: dot com. You'll take you to a substack page. We'll
55:51
Speaker 3: bring that up on screen here. That's Kit's main outlet
55:55
Speaker 3: and some great reports here. I encourage everybody to read them,
55:58
Speaker 3: share them and support this level of independent journalism. It's very,
56:02
Speaker 3: very important. But thank you very much. Kit.
56:05
Speaker 1: Kit will be joining us on extra we hope as well.
56:08
Speaker 2: So okay, let's finish off today with at a little
56:11
Speaker 2: bit of propaganda and British secretisted for wars. We would
56:16
Speaker 2: like to call him John Heay give give a big
56:19
Speaker 2: speech a couple of days ago to wramp up the
56:21
Speaker 2: anti Russia propaganda. Now this was done to justify more
56:24
Speaker 2: announcements on the war machine which Britain is pivoting towards.
56:28
Speaker 2: We'll come back to this and second, but here's what
56:30
Speaker 2: Heale had to say, or part of it, at least.
56:34
Speaker 8: As I speak. A Russian spy ship the Jantar is
56:37
Speaker 8: on the edge of the UK waters north of Scotland,
56:40
Speaker 8: having entered the UK's wider waters over the last few weeks.
56:45
Speaker 8: This is a vessel designed for gathering intelligence and mapping
56:50
Speaker 8: our undersea cables. We deployed a Royal Navy frigate an
56:54
Speaker 8: RAFP eight planes to monitor and track this vessels every month,
57:00
Speaker 8: move during which the Antar directed lasers at our pilots.
57:06
Speaker 8: That Russian action is deeply dangerous and this is the
57:10
Speaker 8: second time this year that this ship, the Jantar, has
57:15
Speaker 8: deployed to UK waters. So our message to Russia and
57:20
Speaker 8: to Putin is this, we see you, we know what
57:24
Speaker 8: you're doing. And if the Jantar travels south this week,
57:29
Speaker 8: we are ready. And I want to praise the dedication
57:32
Speaker 8: and professionalism of our armed forces. They work twenty four
57:36
Speaker 8: to seven every day of the year to keep this
57:38
Speaker 8: nation safe.
57:41
Speaker 3: Does he mean if the Jantara travels south, well, well
57:44
Speaker 3: Scotland doesn't count or it just becomes an English water.
57:47
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what he means is because he because
57:50
Speaker 2: he simply lied there. He said that the Yantar was
57:53
Speaker 2: in British waters. It was not in British waters. It's
57:55
Speaker 2: international waters. What he means by traveling south is into
58:00
Speaker 2: British waters, right right, right, So so the implication is
58:03
Speaker 2: that that that it's doing something illegal or or something
58:07
Speaker 2: which is again, as we talked about on Wednessey's program,
58:10
Speaker 2: something which is unusual.
58:11
Speaker 3: Laser attacks as well.
58:13
Speaker 2: Laser attacks, yes, pen lasers, because.
58:17
Speaker 3: They are possible from from the from a ship, if
58:20
Speaker 3: the cockpit is set on top of the plane.
58:23
Speaker 2: It's possible because the laser, the laser can bounce off.
58:27
Speaker 2: But anyway, it doesn't matter.
58:28
Speaker 3: It happens.
58:28
Speaker 2: It happens often on civilian because but the point here
58:33
Speaker 2: is Heally is determined to try to persuade us all
58:38
Speaker 2: that Russia is pursuing some kind of effort to attack, right,
58:42
Speaker 2: They're trying to justify some kind of Article five thing.
58:45
Speaker 1: That's what it's one of the things we're trying to do.
58:47
Speaker 2: But but just on this issue of the Yantar and
58:49
Speaker 2: what it's doing, Craig Murray here has has posted this
58:53
Speaker 2: on XIT.
58:54
Speaker 1: I think this is absolutely right.
58:55
Speaker 2: The Starbuck government have rammed the hypocrisy dial up to eleven.
59:00
Speaker 2: This was in September, and they're talking about here the
59:04
Speaker 2: massive hypocrisy of Heley's comments, this is the Norwegian frigate
59:09
Speaker 2: the tour hired all because it went to the Barren
59:12
Speaker 2: Sea together with US Navy's Our A class destroyer us
59:18
Speaker 2: is Ross, the British Royal Navy Auxiliary Tidespring RFA Tidespring
59:22
Speaker 2: and the frigate HMS Sutherland and this was also support
59:26
Speaker 2: by Danish support aircraft. In the time they said the
59:29
Speaker 2: vessel group will operate north of Finmark and the Fishermen
59:32
Speaker 2: Peninsula in the course of the next few days. So
59:36
Speaker 2: you know, this is exactly the same type of scenario.
59:39
Speaker 3: But that's in Russian Exclusive Economic Zone.
59:42
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's still an international workers but it's certainly
59:45
Speaker 2: absolutely right up against.
59:47
Speaker 3: First time since first time since the nineteen nineties, right,
59:50
Speaker 3: So who's provoking who?
59:53
Speaker 2: The point is we're provoking each other all the time.
59:56
Speaker 2: This this is absolutely normal behavior. But Heley is attempting
59:59
Speaker 2: to persuade us this is something that is not normal,
1:00:02
Speaker 2: that it's going above and beyond what's normal. But look,
1:00:05
Speaker 2: let's just finish this off by pointing out the sheer
1:00:08
Speaker 2: levels of propaganda. So BBC leading the charge naturally, so
1:00:12
Speaker 2: stories like this one, what'sapp management messages have revealed how
1:00:16
Speaker 2: a prominent MEP for Nigel Faraj's Brexit party took bribes
1:00:20
Speaker 2: as part of a pro Russian influence campaign in the
1:00:23
Speaker 2: European Parliament. This is Nathan Gill and they're saying that
1:00:26
Speaker 2: he went on to become leader of the Reform Party
1:00:29
Speaker 2: in Wales. That he's facing prison for taking money from
1:00:32
Speaker 2: an alleged pawn of the main security agent agency in
1:00:36
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin's Russia. That he was paid thousands of pounds
1:00:40
Speaker 2: to give TV interviews in favor of a key Putin
1:00:42
Speaker 2: ally and to make speeches in the European Parliament between
1:00:46
Speaker 2: December twenty eighteen and July twenty nineteen. So that's that one.
1:00:50
Speaker 2: What's the next one? Friday night drug deals helping Russian
1:00:53
Speaker 2: war machine. US Crime Agency WARS so bang cocaine on
1:00:58
Speaker 2: a Friday night in Britain can indirectly help Russian arms factories,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: according to the National Crime Agency. They said that a
1:01:05
Speaker 2: man linked to a Russian led money laundering network operating
1:01:07
Speaker 2: in the UK. In the UK had bought a bank
1:01:10
Speaker 2: in Kyrgyzstan which was used to make payments on behalf
1:01:13
Speaker 2: of the Russian war machine.
1:01:14
Speaker 1: But hold on Patrick.
1:01:16
Speaker 2: The biggest users of cocaine in the UK are found
1:01:19
Speaker 2: in the House of Commons, right, but cocaine on the
1:01:22
Speaker 2: toilet seats. This is what we and internationally the most
1:01:25
Speaker 2: commonly seen nosewipers are those found in Kiev trains to Kiev?
1:01:28
Speaker 3: Are they not? So?
1:01:30
Speaker 1: Are these people supporting the Russian war effort?
1:01:32
Speaker 3: Is that what's going on? I guess they are quite
1:01:34
Speaker 3: a stretch, isn't it that recreational drug users on Friday
1:01:38
Speaker 3: night or somehow and rolling Putin's war machine.
1:01:41
Speaker 1: Never mind the fact.
1:01:42
Speaker 3: That they should be sanctioned, all of them exactly.
1:01:44
Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that Europe is still buying oil
1:01:47
Speaker 2: from anyway.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter.
1:01:48
Speaker 2: But getting back to Heay's speech, he went on to
1:01:51
Speaker 2: say this that earlier in the year, the Prime Minister
1:01:54
Speaker 2: said security and defense and I quote is now the
1:01:59
Speaker 2: central organizing principle of government, the pillar on which everything
1:02:04
Speaker 2: else falls. He talked about the forthcoming budget and it's
1:02:08
Speaker 2: clear that this upcoming budget is going to be a
1:02:10
Speaker 2: war budget, and then he went on to say, so
1:02:13
Speaker 2: within this parliament, I want Britain to become the best
1:02:16
Speaker 2: place in the world to invest and grow a defense business.
1:02:20
Speaker 2: I want Britain's arn't forces to be the fastest innovating
1:02:22
Speaker 2: military in NATO. And he said, and he said that
1:02:25
Speaker 2: the British government investment in defense, he hopes, is going
1:02:29
Speaker 2: to be matched by private investment and our communities right
1:02:32
Speaker 2: across Britain to see working people with new skills, new
1:02:36
Speaker 2: jobs and new hope for their families in their future,
1:02:38
Speaker 2: because the entire British economy is going to be based
1:02:41
Speaker 2: on blowing up people in other countries.
1:02:43
Speaker 3: War, yes, yeah, war. So you know we've gone from
1:02:46
Speaker 3: good green jobs, you remember that, yes, David Cameron Blair.
1:02:50
Speaker 3: Now it's good defense jobs. No more good green jobs,
1:02:53
Speaker 3: I guess, just war jobs. So who is Britain defending
1:02:57
Speaker 3: itself against? Well, Russia? What about the French? Are they
1:03:01
Speaker 3: going to invade? Maybe it's the boats. I don't know.
1:03:04
Speaker 1: I mean, I think some people have been taking too
1:03:06
Speaker 1: much cookine.
1:03:07
Speaker 3: But anyway, are they're blaming the cold weather upfront as
1:03:10
Speaker 3: well on Russia somehow? So maybe they can do a
1:03:13
Speaker 3: wall against the cold wind coming from the beast from
1:03:16
Speaker 3: the east. Do you remember that?
1:03:18
Speaker 1: Well, we're experiencing that at the moment, I think.
1:03:19
Speaker 2: But anyway, we will need to leave it there for today, Patrick,
1:03:23
Speaker 2: thank you, thanks to Kay Clarenburg and to Basil Valentine.
1:03:28
Speaker 2: We'll be back in a few minutes or a UK
1:03:29
Speaker 2: column member for some UK column news extra. Otherwise, don't
1:03:33
Speaker 2: forget Jerrem and Carl tonight, but have a great weekend.
1:03:37
Speaker 2: We'll see you Monday one pm as usual. See then,
1:03:39
Speaker 2: Bye bye