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Child Trauma: A Parent's Tactical Response · The Parent Tap

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so Laddie, let's get started in the trenches.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when a toddler is mid-meltdown in the grocery store, what is actually happening to the parent's brain that causes us to snap?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: And how do we interrupt that circuit?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: So the parent is actually going into something that we call flight or flight.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a biological response and that we it has been hardwired into us.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: We don't actually control it.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: It is, we can't distinguish the toddler from having a meltdown in the supermarket from like a lion coming after us.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: It feels the same way for our body and our brain.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I have to react.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: And we go immediately into autopilot.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that means sometimes feeling very triggered and embarrassed, or sometimes yelling, or sometimes reacting in ways that we later regret or feel guilty about.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not, it's really not you.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's how how we have been hardwired.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the way we can stop it is by noticing what is being triggered and really understanding: am I feeling ashamed?
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Am I feeling judged?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Am I feeling like my kid is out of control?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And those emotions are what causes us to go into this autopilot mode.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: And if we're able to just understand the trigger, it doesn't mean we're gonna get it right a hundred percent of the time, but I can assure you it does reduce it significantly in how we approach these kinds of meltdowns.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, I never knew it got to the level in our brains where it is fight or flight.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I always kind of assumed that was reserved for more of like an emergency or like an immediate danger situation, but I guess that makes total sense because it does make us act in ways that are sometimes irrational with the yelling or, like you said, feeling embarrassed.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's like I talked to somebody else earlier, and you know, like pretty uh the quote is like, who gives a damn what other people think about your child having a meltdown?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are you literally like you know, are those people that important that they can't wait an extra, you know, whatever it is to kind of get through the grocery line or get through the aisle because your child's having a meltdown?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's so true.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like sometimes I I feel like I'm put like other people matter more than my own child in that situation because I don't want to like inconvenience anybody, and it's like that's so stupid.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: I why do I even think that way?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's dumb.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it but you're not alone, and that also goes into a lot of our inner child work.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's sort of what you have to explore as well because we are depending on how you were raised, you're also raised to be like sort of a people feaser and and not inconvenience people and not feel like you are imposing.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that kind of embarrassment is what causes us to really react in ways that sometimes it's like, what did I just do?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then you go into this spiral, right?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what did I just do?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: I feel so guilty.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is my two-year-old, and I screamed, or I I grabbed him harshly, or I put him in the cart, or you know how many times I've seen people just like leave their carts, like abandon their carts, like grab their kids and just leave the supermarket and abandon the cart just because they feel so overwhelmed with the emotion of their kid having a meltdown.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the good news is you're not alone, like this happens to everyone at some point or another, right?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and the and the good news is that you don't have to feel judged for it.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's great to know we're not alone.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh, you know, we've all kind of probably gone through those fires as a parent.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it's kind of like a rite of passage.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we hear the phrase conscious parenting thrown around on Instagram constantly.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I know I see it in my feed.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: For the exhausted parents listening right now, strip away the buzzwords.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, what does that actually look like on a typical night when no one will eat dinner?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just start by like, there's traditional parenting, there's gentle parenting, there's conscious parenting, and I am not here to promote one single philosophy.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think you really need to.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I was trained in conscious parenting, but it doesn't mean that I am here to tell you this is the only way or this is the the holy grail of parenting.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think every parent needs to find the right way to parent their child so that they can attune to the child they have.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what's most important.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: You need to understand your child.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: So removing the buzzwords, removing the style of parenting or the or this uh philosophy, I would just tell you it's just a way for you to understand how to handle your patterns better so that you can show up differently and really build a connection with your parent with your child.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's the crux of it all.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about, you know, and you can do that in a way that feels honest and natural to you.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Holding boundaries, that's the other thing.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: People think that conscious parenting is, oh, your kid wants to go run naked in the snow and at 2 a.m.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, Yes, that's what my kid wants, and I need them to be free.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: That is not true.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you need to hold boundaries, you need to be a guide.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: What we really want to understand is you don't need to assert control because I think that's that's when we develop I would say like unhealthy relationships with our children where we think that we have to overpower them or control them or really like it's not working on the same team, it's me against my child, and that's when the power struggle really begins.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and this kind of leads into what you just said.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: You you answered a little bit of it, getting to know your child.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: But what about then the knee-jerk reaction?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when a kid screams, I hate you, or they're you know, they're throwing something across the room, they're completely out of control at that point.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um what is your exact step-by-step protocol like for the next minute?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: How would you handle that situation?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: So the first thing is understanding that the child doesn't really hate you, right?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're not they're not meaning what they say, and it's it's really, really hard, but you can't get hurt by the words at those moments.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a behavior that is showing uh communication.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it's information.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: The child is just telling you with the tools they have, because sometimes they haven't developed the necessary tools or the necessary words or the you know the communication skills to say, I am upset because I don't want to leave the park, or I am upset because I don't like broccoli and you're making me eat broccoli, right?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they don't have those skills yet.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: So they just say, I hate you, you're the worst parent in the world, and they start screaming.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the first thing is understanding that the words right then and there, they don't carry the meaning that you're attaching to them.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: They don't really mean that.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I would invite parents to just see that kind of behavior not as defiance or as um or as an attack, but rather as information.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: So take it as information.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Your child is dysregulated, they are in their own fight or flight um biological response.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: They are also struggling with something, whether it's a transition, whether it's connection, whether it's lack of uh skill, they are at that point in time struggling.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: So see it as that kind of information, take it as information, and then you're able to react differently if you understand that okay, they're not saying this to hurt me.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of parents really take it personally, which I know is hard because it's horrible to have someone say I hate you when you feel like you're doing so much for them day in and day out, but it's really about understanding that they they just don't have the skills, and then going back to that moment and maybe um teaching them, like, hey, you know, the next time mommy doesn't really like those kind of uh words, or you know, you know how when a friend tells you they don't want to play with you, that's hurtful.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, mommy doesn't or daddy doesn't really like when you say you're the worst parent in the world.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: And teaching them through role play and through play that there are better ways.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: They are allowed to have the emotions, but they're not allowed to hurt people with their emotions.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's powerful.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I don't know what's worse, the verbal abuse or the physical abuse.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I my my son just like smacks us across the face all the time.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's one.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then my four-year-old, she'll do more of the verbal, like, you know, and she has a meltdown.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it's I don't know if she's gotten to the level of I hate you, but it's gotten pretty, pretty bad.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, wow, like, do you know all I do for?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's my response initially.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh my gosh, like I do this, this, and like I would just want to list it off right then and there.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I totally get what you're saying, it's kind of really coming at it from a deeper understanding, trying to realign yourself and also just like understand it's a communication piece for our children, and they're just trying to say something.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: But like you said, the fight or flight situation, even for ourselves, will make us do things that are not at it, you know, it's typically like it's it's it's out of our character.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they're they're having their own like meltdown.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're having a meltdown because of their behavior.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like two power, that's the where the pub power struggle really starts because it's like both people saying, no, I'm right, and the child is saying, no, I'm right, because I don't want to eat this or I don't want to do that.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: And at four years old is really when they start saying no and pushing back and individuating because you know the first two years it they're easier to manage.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: But from two on, that's when they start to learn that they are separate from you, and then they start to to understand, okay, I don't want to stop playing, I don't want to leave the playground, I don't want to go to bed because mommy and daddy are still gonna be awake.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I want to hang out with mom and dad.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why do why do they get to stay up and I have to go to bed?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's understanding they're also having trouble with those transitions.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're able to play role play, role play is a great way to teach kids and and always go back and set boundaries.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't think that just because they lost their temper, you're you're like, oh, it's okay.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: You have to teach them.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're allowed to be upset because you don't want to leave the park.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's an entirely valid emotion, but you're not allowed to like be disrespectful to mommy or daddy because we're not disrespectful to you.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to do that after the malt down.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that we try to correct right in the middle of it happening.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like teaching someone to swim when they're drowning.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's learning at that point.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's just like trying to survive.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love that analogy.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it it sounds like you just scrapped the terrible twos there because my son's about to turn two, and he's starting to gain that independence and that voice of like, no, I'm not gonna do what you you know, you like to say no a lot.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what do you mean no?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um but like three months ago, you were so pleasing.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what happened?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: You just wanted to sit on my lap and now you just say no and smack me all the time.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a different thing.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do we go about punishment?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I know it's, you know, without the fear of shame, because I know the old ways of putting them in a corner or you know, putting that as like sending them to the room, um, maybe not be so effective all the time.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, what's a concrete example of a consequence that changes behavior rather than just punishing it?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the it's super important to distinguish there's discipline and there's punishment.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: And you can discipline your child and not necessarily punish them.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think discipline really comes to the point where, like we just mentioned, so let's say your dad, you're, you're, you just mentioned that your two-year-old is getting to the point where he's like smacks a lot.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to discipline him, you have to address it, right?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so you you can use that by saying, you know, we don't use our hands to communicate.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: We don't use our hands to that is not okay.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: In this family, we don't raise our hands.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you can use that with puppets, you can use that with roping, so that he understands he doesn't have the communication skills right now to understand that hitting is bad.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: You don't hit people, and that's what most parents but teaching him through toys or um put clay or something and saying, I understand you're frustrated, but we don't use our hands, and giving him a consequence.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you raise your hand again, then daddy is not gonna be able to play with you anymore.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: But but then you have to hold that boundary.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think what people most often do is that they then feel bad because the kid starts crying and they're like, okay, okay, okay, I'll play with you.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: But if you say something, you have to like hold that boundary and say, no, I'm sorry, we're not.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you were raising your hands at daddy, then they'll learn.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: But it's through positive reinforcement, right?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: You are you're reinforcing the kind of behavior you want to see rather than punishing the behavior you don't want to see.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the consistency of it too, of following through and staying consistent with that approach.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because it is so easy to give in and be like, well, you know, if you see them crying or exactly obviously you don't want to see your kids struggling or crying, but but you also need to stick to it, it's like holding your you know, stick to your guns because it feels like yeah, if you don't, then it's like they're gonna, they're gonna figure that out, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna, and then they're gonna learn that, you know, daddy doesn't really mean it.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not really disciplining or changing the behavior.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: You just you're just exasperated, but they're not gonna really learn.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to hold that boundary and fit with that discomfort.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think the problem is that we don't like the discomfort of having your two-year-old, and it goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning, the meltdown at the supermarket, it's uncomfortable.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: It is uncomfortable, you know.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: You nobody wants to see a kid crying, much less your own kid.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's being able to sit with that discomfort and sitting, it's it's okay.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're not going to be able to play with that anymore because you're you're lifting, like you're raising your hands to me, and that's not okay.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not gonna tolerate that behavior.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: And they're gonna be upset because, but they're gonna learn eventually.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: They will learn that that's not the behavior that you can tolerate or you don't want.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Music is another, like songs, like we don't use our hands, we don't, you know, teaching them through the way they they learn right now, because it's all through play for a toddler.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Every moment is like they have the attention span, you know, squirrel, right?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're able to engage them in the way they like to, it's easier for them to get the concept rather than just um dictating it to them.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And my my daughter can um spell the colors of the rainbow through a song, and it's like, how do you do that?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're four, like, but yeah, song is powerful because it really just you can learn so much through it.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's a great idea.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the repair.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: We all lose our temper or we handle situations badly from time to time.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: So when a parent yells or handles a situation badly, how do we repair that relationship with our child without sounding weak or undermining our own authority or whatever we said?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think we go back and say, you know, I I didn't really like the way I handled that.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna try and do better.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, sometimes I will lose my temper and and yell or or do things that I'm not necessarily want to do.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's okay.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it also gives them the permission to understand that when they raise their hands or when they scream at you or or give you that verbal abuse that you were talking about with your four-year-old, then they also need to be able to come back and repair.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did you handle that the way you really wanted to?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Could you have handled that better?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I think it's just a matter of saying, I'm not proud of the way I did that, or I don't, I didn't really like the way I did that.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And creative problem solving is a great strategy um with kids in a way where you can talk to them and say, well, the next time this happens, how could we solve it better?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll sometimes on give you ideas.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like, Well, Daddy, next time you want me to leave the park, why don't you, you know, blow like whistle three times.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they come up with the weirdest ways, but for them it works, right?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're sort of building that connection and understanding, okay, so this is what works for my child.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's attuning to your child and really understanding how do you repair the relationship, but also discipline and holding your while holding your boundaries.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: I love that the tailored approach to each child individually.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, as as parents, we know our children.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so really, I think you said just you know, leading into that and you know, addressing it in the best way uh possible, you know, like you like you just described is awesome.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you mind if we end on a quick lightning round?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do uh some questions quick questions and kind of just give me what you think off the top of your head and we'll kind of go on.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: These are a little bit controversial and uh you know, so I just they make great like shorts and sound bites and whatnot because it's like everyone has an opinion on these.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: So all right, so conscious parenting sounds great, right?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like on Instagram, you know, everyone's always it's a buzzword right here.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's not a buzzword, but you know what I mean.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's thrown around a lot.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, you you know, when you have one quiet kid and a free Saturday, it's you know, it's great.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: You could it it's easily doable.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But how do you actually execute this when you have three kids melting down, an infant crying, and you're 10 minutes late for work?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how does this framework work for people um that are that busy, or is it just for people with unlimited time?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think it's just a matter of learning what what triggers you, um, and really, really delving deep and understanding what triggers you.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not about you know having the easy kid.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, the the greatest teachers are the rowdy kids because the easy go pleasing kid is is actually easy.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to learn more because they'll do what you say most of the time.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want to teach a kid to be a critical thinker, you want to teach them to have opinions, you want to teach them to put push back, you actually want the rowdy kid that says, No mom or no dad, I don't agree.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: But they have to give you their opinion.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I understand it's overwhelming, it's hard, but practice makes perfect.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: And in a way that you can help understand, okay, this is triggering for me, and I need a moment.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I need a moment before I lose my cool.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: I need a moment to go into the bathroom, I need a moment uh to scream into a pillow, I need a moment to like like settle down because I gotta get to work, and that's what's stressing me out.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the kids that are having a meltdown, it's the fact that I have to get to work.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: So um, so it's really understanding what is the trigger at the moment.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Love that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, next one.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: So there seems to be a very fine line between validating a child's feelings and accidentally raising an entitled tyrant who thinks they can run the house.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, where exactly is that line?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: The line is in discipline.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to be a pushover, you don't have to give in um to everything your child wants and says.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: You actually need to be a guide and uh walk the path with your child.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean the child is ruling the roost because that is also not parenting.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um you are you are the guide of that child and you're walking the path together.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you're both learning from each other and giving yourself the grace to understand that they're teaching you as much as you're teaching them.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Great, awesome.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And last question I have for you.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is the protocol when mom is trying to use conscious parenting, but dad thinks it's total garbage, wants to go to old school, rigid way?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: How do you handle that situation?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think the most important thing is to understand that your kid at least has one advocate in the terms of attuning to the child and really understanding.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: And once the dad usually sees, I think what dad's most worry about is what you just said.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want my kid to be a tyrant entitled, you know, kid that says, you know, the world should bow down at my feet because I am the greatest thing since life's bread.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the more you're able to hold boundaries, be a guide, and and really show that it's working, that you're connecting, the easier it's going to be for the other parent to be like, oh, okay.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not just raising a child that is unentitled tiger.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody wants that, right?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: We want c we want critical thinkers, we have people that I can actually contribute and do well in society.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I Think that's what most parents want.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Good, successful, happy kids.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, those are the three things that if you ask any parent what they want, that those are the three things they most always say.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you just want them to be successful, happy, and good within within that framework where they are also able to exert control and opinion about about themselves and about and have agency and empowerment.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Lottie, if a parent is listening to this that does absolutely nothing else today, but they can implement one rule that you suggest.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: What do they need to implement in their house tonight?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I would say to first of all, give themselves grace.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're not doing anything wrong.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not no shame, no guilt.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Every parent is different, every kid is different.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: So just attune to your child.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: If there's one thing they they can do is attune to your child.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: You do know best.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: A parent does know best what works for their child.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: So get to know your child, don't expect things and and remove the word should.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: My kid should be, my kid should do, my kid should have learned this already.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, your kid is right where they need to be, and you are right where you need to be.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that love is not conditional.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Great, awesome.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Lottie, um, do you mind uh telling us where people can find more about you, get into your ecosystem?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, where you yeah, go ahead and do a little quick uh outroduction.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, you guys can find me on livinginprogress.com.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have a free parenting quiz that anybody can take to identify what patterns are really on uh underneath the root of the issue.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you could also follow me on Instagram at living in underscore progress.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and be happy to chat, you know, follow along the journey.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I share tips, I share content, sometimes fun content.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would love to help parents, you know, break free from the power struggles that are running the show so that parenting can stop being like a daily battle and you can start really connecting with your children.