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2025 Football Preview, Landscape of St. Louis HS Football, Best teams in Missouri, Mizzou & Illini · Gateway Sports Venue Show

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gateway Sports Menu podcast. I'm John
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: hop joined by Roman Bishop and the first time in
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: a long time, joined by mister Old Friend. It's it's
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: great to have you here, and we are doing a
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: This is just kind of a general layout of the
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis high school sports spectrum. Not a typical podcast
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: we usually do, but since it's right before the season,
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: we just kind of getting everybody up to speed a
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: little bit on, you know, who the really good teams
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: and what to look out for Saint Louis. So it's
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: good to have you back. Yeah, good to see you, guys.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: I've missed you. It's been a while, it's been way
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: too long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a good episode when Old Friend comes
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: back on.
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  Speaker 1: It's what you always say. Yep. Yeah.
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: So you guys know, I don't follow high school football
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  Speaker 3: nearly nearly as close as you guys do. In fact,
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: most of what I know about high school football at
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: this point is from listening to your podcasts and then
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: they gave your stuff and.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: Then talking to you guys.
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  Speaker 3: But I just can't help but notice, you know, as
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: we're about to start the season here just a big
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: picture thought on high school football in Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: It seems as though the sport has never been more
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: dominated by the top teams as it is the last
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: few years. You might be right about that. Yeah, you're
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: on something there.
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  Speaker 3: And so I had just out of curiosity, I looked
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: this up, and I looked up the records of four teams,
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: East Saint Louis, CBC, just Met, and Cardinal Ritter over
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  Speaker 3: the last six seasons. So that's twenty nineteen to twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four, So that's five full seasons. And then the
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: pandemic season, which was kind of a weird season, especially
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: for East St.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: Louis.
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  Speaker 3: They played I think only five games and it was
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  Speaker 3: ninety six games. Six games, and it wasn't in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually in the spring of twenty twenty. Well
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  Speaker 3: that was Illinois for everybody.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: And then and then like in Saint Louis, we had
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: like some North County teams which was that was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of a kind of ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, but anyway, so this is those four teams,
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  Speaker 3: and this this does not this excludes this is the
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  Speaker 3: record against Saint Louis area team. So this excludes like
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  Speaker 3: when East Sint Louis plays IMG or any out. It
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  Speaker 3: excludes playoff games against non Saint Louis teams. It does
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  Speaker 3: include playoff games against Saint Louis Area teams, and it
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: excludes any of the games between those two schools. So
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  Speaker 3: that so if like CBC and East Saint Louis play, that.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't included in this record. But the last six seasons
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  Speaker 1: those four teams are one hundred and thirty three and eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's one hundred and thirty three wins and eight losses
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  Speaker 1: against all other Saint Louis Area teams, not including against
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: each other. Correct, No, it doesn't include against each other, which,
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: by the way, East St. Louis has has dominated that
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  Speaker 1: they es. Anyone went to guess the last time East St.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: Louis has lost a game to a local Saint Louis
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: Area team. I was there in twenty twenty one when
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: they lost to o'fallen. I don't remember the exact score,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a it was a really good game.
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  Speaker 1: It was a fun game o'fallen. They scored early and
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  Speaker 1: often got I think they kind of got a good
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  Speaker 1: leader early on and were able to hold on.
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  Speaker 3: And didn't o'fallen have a corner who had a really
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: good game against Luthor Burden that game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget. I forget. He was a really good
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  Speaker 1: receiver the next year for o'fallen, I forget his name.
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: I think so he went to lynnon Wood. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: The final score of that game was twenty eight to
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  Speaker 2: nineteen o'fallen one, and o'fallen was actually up twenty one
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  Speaker 2: zero the end of the first quarter that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, it was crazy. They scored on
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  Speaker 1: their first three possessions.
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  Speaker 2: And East Louis only had one offensive touchdown. They had
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: a pick six and then Luther Burden pumber turn touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was Luther.
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  Speaker 2: Burden receiving touchdown, Dallas Brown with the pick six, and
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: the second quarter for Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Battle was a freshman quarterback that season. So,
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  Speaker 1: and then going back before that, can anyone guess uh
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  Speaker 1: or does anyone know East Saint Louis's last local loss
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  Speaker 1: before o'follen in twenty twenty one, I only guess. Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: and I have a good idea, but go ahead, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. This doesn't include forfeits, By
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  Speaker 1: the way, we're not We're not interesting counting those. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I figured, okay, yeah, because twenty fifteen was marred by forfeits, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so is it before twenty fifteen? It is that season.
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  Speaker 2: In the twenty fifteen season, East Lewis lost to the
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  Speaker 2: Saint Louis Area team. Yes, it wasn't Edwardsible, was it.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was Belleville West. Wow, it was.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a Belleville West team that lost like
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  Speaker 3: two or three other games to, you know, to Saint
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  Speaker 3: Louis Area team. So it wasn't like an all time
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  Speaker 3: great team that they lost to.
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  Speaker 1: Yea similar to a three and six that year with
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  Speaker 1: some forfeits. Yeah, but I think a teachers strike in
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  Speaker 1: their school district.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that that end of their season. But but but
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  Speaker 3: the point here, I'm just gonna go through the teams.
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  Speaker 3: The last five six seasons, East Saint Louis is twenty
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  Speaker 3: nine and one against local competition CBC the last six
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  Speaker 3: years is thirty six and one excluding losses to East
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  Speaker 3: Saint Louis and just Met thirty six and one against
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  Speaker 3: local competition. The one game is Kirkwood in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Last year Just Met is thirty six and two. They
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  Speaker 3: lost to Saint Mary's in twenty twenty two and Edwardsville
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Cardinal ritter Is thirty two and four.
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  Speaker 3: They lost to Lutheran North and Lafayette last year. Lafayete
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs. They lost to Saint Mary's in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: one and Francis Howell in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Saint Mary's had a pretty good run there.
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  Speaker 1: They'd they'd be just met and Cardinal River Kevin Coleman
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  Speaker 1: led Team twenty from twenty nineteen or yeah, from twenty
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: nineteen through twenty twenty two, they were very very good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I should note, you know, Edwardsville is really
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  Speaker 3: not far outside of this. I think they're only losses
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  Speaker 3: to Saint Louis area teams other than to these teamsams
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: have been to O'Fallon, some good o'fallen teams, right, and
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  Speaker 3: then some of those were really epic games.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, and it has helped them that like the
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  Speaker 1: s w C is. Besides, you know O'Fallon at times,
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  Speaker 1: not at least not at least these last two years,
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: and then Easting Louis in Oversville they've been it's been
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  Speaker 1: pretty down so I'm not saying. I mean, it's still
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: a great achievement. Everyonzville was able to do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but unfortunately for the I think for the six as
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  Speaker 1: a whole, that conference is getting better though, and will
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: later dive into that. Yeah, other podcasts, and Lutheran North
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: is not too far outside of this, at least by
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  Speaker 1: their record. Their local record the last sixty seasons is
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: forty three and six and really a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: They had four losses in twenty twenty two, and that
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  Speaker 1: was still a decent team they had. They just had
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  Speaker 1: a really tough schedule. Yes, like they played they played
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: Francis Howe pretty closely that they not for they were
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  Speaker 1: probably the second team toughest team in the regular season
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  Speaker 1: besides Troy that year. That gave Francis Howe like legitimate
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  Speaker 1: fits through for the majority of the game.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and there was I was the year Saint
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  Speaker 2: Charles West upset of in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of the bigger district championship upsets in
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  Speaker 1: recent memory. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But but the reason I bring this up is that,
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: you know, it just seems to me that that and
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  Speaker 3: then the reason I picked those four schools East Saint
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  Speaker 3: Louis CBC just met and Cardinal Ritter is that of
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  Speaker 3: more so than any other schools, those four are the
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  Speaker 3: ones that are most consistently producing Division one players in
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  Speaker 3: great greater numbers. They are the ones that seem to
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  Speaker 3: engage in talent acquisition the most. I'm sure they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: It legally, but they are school that that seem to
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: have players show up there that that weren't on the
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  Speaker 1: roster of the year before.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess my point on is it just seems
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  Speaker 3: as though those four schools are sort of playing a
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  Speaker 3: different game. I mean, you're you're, you're, and this is
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  Speaker 3: this is true and just about any level of any sport,
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  Speaker 3: the coaches or or the teams that are the most
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  Speaker 3: successful are generally the teams that bring in good players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very few good.
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  Speaker 3: Coaches or good teams build a you know, a great
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  Speaker 3: career or a great track record of winning solely by
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  Speaker 3: developing the talent that they just kind of get organically.
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  Speaker 3: They they have some way of attracting people to their
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  Speaker 3: schools of of of acquiring talent. Uh So, again assuming
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  Speaker 3: all legally, I know, there's a lot of discussion and
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  Speaker 3: about you know, the rules as far as you know,
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  Speaker 3: recruiting of players, we're not looking to get into that,
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  Speaker 3: but very you know, you know, not every school does that.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, most schools don't do that. Most schools it
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  Speaker 3: is just the players that happened to show up just
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  Speaker 3: to school on the first day. Or in private schools,
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  Speaker 3: most private schools don't really have any regard for athletics
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to their admissions.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then even just looking at CBC the other
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: night watching the jamboree, it's like, it's crazy how much
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  Speaker 1: depth they have because like they probably could have. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: their second stringers probably would beat mclaar North's first stringers
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  Speaker 1: and put up really good games against LEU and Hal's
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  Speaker 1: first stringers. Like that's just how much of a difference
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  Speaker 1: it is there.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was h I don't know if it
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: was former Texas coach Daryln Royal that set up, but
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: he said it's about Jimmy's.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe's, not XS and O's. It really is.
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  Speaker 2: You get great talent, elite talent, along with great coaching
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  Speaker 2: and great you know, offensive defensive scheming that's going to
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  Speaker 2: create programs are very tough to.
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  Speaker 1: Beat and that can sustain that, because since the sustain
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  Speaker 1: that success. And yeah, and as long as you don't
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: even need like for the Jimmies and Joe so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't even need the best x's and o's, like,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: as long as you can kind of get like I
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: apologize any Ohio State fans, but as long as you
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: can get like a Ryan Day, who's just like a
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: good it's just like a good, good enough CEO who
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't who has a who doesn't you know, get in
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: his own way for the most part. You know, then
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: you're the most for the most part, right, like you're
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: gonna win a bunch of games. Yeah.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: Now, I want to make clear I'm not I'm not
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: criticizing any of these schools, any of the coaches involved
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  Speaker 3: in this, but I just think it's it's undeniable. They're
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: playing a different game, and I mean, you can't really compare.
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: Let's just pick a random high school. Is a written
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: our high school or Ford.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: Zoo he says written or like he's a boomer, it's writtener. Okay,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: you're the only one who said I've ever heard anyone
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: say like that before. My apologies.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ford Zoomwalt West Lafayette Fox, pick a random one,
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: hazel Woods Central, you know there, It's just it's really
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: not fair to compare, you know, the the job that
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: the coaches there do to these other schools.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you mentioned Haswood Central, because if you
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: had been doing this discussion in the years ago, then
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: Hazwod Central would definitely be in that category of.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: The stier programs in the in the in the area
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: years ago too.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: And I think it just goes to show that these
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: teams that we see are in the middle.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: Of you could really call it dynasties.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: I mean this now has multiple state championships in the
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: past four Yeah, how was.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: That long ago? I've feel old now, Oh my gosh.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: But all these teams, I guess Ritter has only only
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: they have won twenty three, two and twenty three, so
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: they've they've all had multiple titles very recently. So they
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: really are in the middle of dynasties right now. But
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna last forever. I mean, Alabama's dynasty is ending,
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: as as we see it right now.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: In the college well here, Patriots dynasty is ending. The
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: chief dicets about to es, especially if you're a private school.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: It's it's you can have these really sharp rot like
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: quick runs and get really good fast and it can
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: easily all come down really quickly, like it just all takes.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: It's just like a coaching staff to change.
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  Speaker 2: While it is good, it is those institutions are very
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: strong and they have a they have very high prestige,
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: and they're very nice to play for. It's it's equally
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: as difficult as it is to sustain that than it
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: is to.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Build a program from scratch. They're both, they're both very
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: difficult things. CBC and I don't I really not. I
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: don't know about the smet's history that much because like
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: they they played for a state title nineteen seventy five
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: and then I don't think got back to state again
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: until like the early two thousands or something. But CBC
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: has definitely been that program and Lutheran North historically as well.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been really good since the you know,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: we've put out graphics. I think they've won. They have
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: the most district championships in our area on the Missouri side.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they go back to the seventies. Yeah, program.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Mike Russell is their head coach for a long time
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: and so really CBC and Luthen North have been those
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: two programs and then and then there's also in my
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: CDs and John Burrows. But CBC and Luther North have
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: kind of always been on a different level, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: And Luthern North has certainly jumped to the next level
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  Speaker 1: by you know, winning a state championship in Class four.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but I will say on of these
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: four schools, uh, e St. Louis CBC just met Colonel
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  Speaker 1: River in the first two of those East St. Louis CBC,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: they've had the same head coaches for well over ten years.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know how far it goes back Scott Pingle,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: He's been at CBC for at least fifteen years and
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: for twenty years maybe yeah, longer. Actually, that's crazy. Yeah,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: so that's the key there, longer than many of our
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: listeners have been alive. And then what's funny is that
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Bob Shannon, who is like he really got Eastint Luis going.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: He coached CDB a little bit too, so it's connected. Yeah,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: would you this is so random? Boo boo.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: I would probably put Bob Shane is the best coach
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: in Saint Louis area in history simply from what he
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: was able to build.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I would have to agree
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I think from yeah, from a pure accomplishment standpoint, I
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: mean you'd have to. I mean, especially some of those
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighties East Louis teams are thought to be some
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: of the best teams every school anywhere.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think probably the best team in Saint
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Louis history was East St. Louis in nineteen eighty five
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: when theyre then national champions.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: That's kind of the that's kind of if there was
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: a nineteen twenty seven Yankees of Saint Louis area high
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: school football, it would be eighty five East Louis.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that was the same year that Iswood
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Central went undefeated with Tony van Zant, Who's I think,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's arguably, but he's he's the best player
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: it ever come out of Saint Louis as far as
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: just high school career went, Yes, yeah, and injuries kind
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of ruined his career, but he was He's the greatest
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: high football player in Saint Louis history. But I do
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: think though, there is a just a bigger thing here
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: in the and I again, I don't I've got nothing
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: against any of the coaches, any of the programs involved
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: That they're trying to win. That's the whole point of sports,
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: try to win. But it is kind of a bad
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: thing for high school football. There are certain sports.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Not every high.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: School has a water polo team. I mean, if you're
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: a serious water polo player, you have to go to
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: certain high schools, you have to find, you know, the
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: right coach, the right team. Not not everywhere has it,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Not every school takes it seriously. I don't want to
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: see football go that way where it's only taken seriously
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: at certain schools and where all the best players get
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: together at a small number of schools and it becomes
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: kind of a niche sport from a participation. Yeah, yeah,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I think, I think, and we're we're headed strongly in
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: that direction.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I think it'll kill the competitive It already is hurting
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the competitive balance, like far it's I don't want it
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to be like an AE sport.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: The negative sentiment that many coaches have across the whole
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: area to where it's private schools is a very real thing.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of public school coaches.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Aren't necessarily angry at the private schools for recruiting, but
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: they are angry that they are put on the same
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: playing field in like the playoffs. I should say a
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: lot of coaches believe that there should be a separate
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: class for private schools.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That would hurt the private that would hurt them, I mean,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: and the public schools in Missouri can easily rise up
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and we can like do this thing because the runs
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: meshare the public schools.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it's interesting because our area is very unique
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: because there are more.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's second highest per capital I read it
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: somewhere I forgot which the source was. We have more
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: private schools per capita than Boston. Yeah, and Los Angeles. Well,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was like only New York has more
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: private schools.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's it's ridiculous. It's crazy. It's crazy, but
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: it should be measured.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: And the vast majority of those are not competitive in
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: most sports are not unusually competitive.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But there's more than enough that there's like, like, really
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: we have this many private schools because I didn't know
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: if that was like we had a lot that much.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Like when you look at Kansas City when they just
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: have a field, can you see they are rockers came
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: roll Hill. Just for a reference, before twenty ten, in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: football and basketball, private schools in Missouri were not very
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: competitive in the large school divisions. In the small school
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: division ever competitive, but they were never they were winning
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: many state champions They the vast majority of state championships
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and state championship runner ups were won by public schools
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in the large school divisions football and boys basketball prior
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to twenty ten. Yeah, I mean the vast, vast majority. Really.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Ever since CBC's kind of come on and started winning
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: five state championships. Now, that's the tides really turned.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And if you look at historically across Missouri, and that's
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: why Saint Louis is so weird.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not only going to dive deep in
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the Illinois side because it's a completely it's a completely
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: different playing field there. Here's with Missouri. You have the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: same All the private schools in Saint Louis.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: That are have been recently been very very good. But
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: historically the southwest part of the state dominance football.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You know we I mean currently Joplin Web City, Well
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Joplin had Park where they won three state championships or
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: something like that. Joplin's ever won a state champ For.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Those who aren't where there were once two main high
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: schools in Joplin and then they merged.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Back in the entity school.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Joplin can technically claim three state titles that
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: they want to. I don't know if they do, but
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: they were technically a different school.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Web City and Lamar they've won, They've won combined,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: They've won combined twenty six state champions.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: So if you look at all these dynasties, all these
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: teams that have that lead the state and state championships,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: got jeff.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: City, Lamar, Web City, Rockers, rock Well private, Sorry, they
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: are a private school. It's predominantly public schools. It is.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It's mostly public schools, and that's that's been the case
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: for I don't know, sixty seventy years.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so is this I.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Mean, because the public private school dynamic only really exists
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: in our area. It doesn't really exist much in case C.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really exist as much in Columbia or Spring And.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I would argue it didn't really exist for large schools
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: in our area until the last ten to fifteen years.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: To the extent of how well think about this?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: So we were talking earlier about how Bob Shannon is
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: perhaps the most accomplished high school football coach.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: In the history of Saint Louis.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Who has a better record at East at CBC Scott
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Panle or Bob Shannon Scott Pingle And it's not even
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: close Scott. So I mean, you look at Okay, this
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: was a school that has as you know, as many
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: resources for sports as of any private school does, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: they have for years. They've been great at most sports
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: for years, for decades. They had perhaps the greatest coach
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: of all time. They didn't win a state championship. They
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: were not you know that they were. They were good,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: but they were not they you know, well.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Any given because at that point CBC was they're not
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: there the.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Program.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: They weren't terrible. He's never been terrible. That's my point.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: They weren't like elite.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: My point is that is that things have changed in
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the last ten to fifteen years. And and it's it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: not necessarily public private because you've got East Saint Louis
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in the mix for this, uh, but you basically is
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that the high school football is increasingly dominated by the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: top four teams and there's and maybe five, maybe five
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: or six if you count a few others that are.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Never really that it's never really been like that in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: our area.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Well and what what what has changed is the idea
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: that players move that that that's the new wrinkle that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: going on everywhere too. Yes, that's not just just Saint
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Louis phenomenon, and really but I think that's what it
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: gets to though, is that, you know, historically, high school
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: football has not been about the next level. The next
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: level was kind of a cool thing if you were
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: good enough, if you could make it, it was cool,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't something that people were, you know, even
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: before you start your freshman year, that players, parents, coaches
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: were thinking about how can we get a scholarship, how
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: can we play you know, power conference football?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: How I mean? And that's just a new focus.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: And I would say, if you are a player who
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: considers yourself on the border of Division one football, if
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you think I really want to play Division one football,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and I think I could do it, but I'm not.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I don't have an offer yet, but I think I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: that level.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I think I'm good enough. You should probably find a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: way to rent an apartment in East Sint Louis because
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: because Saint Louis this year is going to play a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: lot of games that have a lot of college scouts
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: watching them. A problem that is that they have so
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: many guys, so it's, well, you're hard to find the field. Well,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: if you is really hard to find the field, well.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Then then you'll know that you're probably not a Division
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: one player if you can't get on the field for
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: a high school team.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But that's that's why I disagree. So some some some.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Players hit puberlator than others, and they just don't and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: they really blossom when they hit their senior year in
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But at that point, all the scouts have already made
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: their rounds and it's too late for Well, those are
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the guys that really need to do it, then, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: mean that that's why. I mean, it's it's the guys
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that but.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It is transferring schools and and you know, risking a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: shaky high school academic career worth it for maybe not
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: make it to the next level.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I have to assume I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: don't think I'm not I'm not a sociologist, but I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: have to assume that the data would suggest that I'm
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: talking sports, I'm anything by any measure, kids that start
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and finish at the same high school generally do better
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: than kids who transfer high schools.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Now, some people transfer high schools because they move their
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: parents get a new job. The kids in the military
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: move a lot. They you know, they're the kids whose
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: parents are in the military. It's out of your control.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: But I'm assuming that it's generally in the best interest
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: of kids to not transfer high schools.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And I mean, we see now kids here.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: We have had more major transfer news this year than
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: any other year before that, and last year.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Was bigger than any year before that. And it's just keeping.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Building and building, and it can't like this can't go
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: on best forever. There's just no way that this rate
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: of big transfer is going to keep going up.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It's got a plateau. We'll go down sooner. I think
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it's sill.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I think that if players care about playing in the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: next level their parents, there's a lot of bad getting involved.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't say good or bad. I mean, it's
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: about what your priorities are if if you want to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: play I do think this is true.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: If you want to play Division one ball and you
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: were and you don't already have a bunch of scholarship offers.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's a little different if you, you know, were
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: identified as a as a star athlete, you know, freshman
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: year and everyone's offering immediately.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But if you're.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Trying to get that incremental scholarship offer, you probably want
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to be in you know, playing in practice against other
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: guys at that level to get better.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You mean, that's why you go somewhere like Elite Football
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: where you can do that in the off season and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: not have to worry about transferring schools because the best
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: go down in the area goes there and you can
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: just go there and train with them while still be
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: on different teams.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have to try. And those kids support
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: each other to yes, yes they do. No.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I do think though, there there's definitely something to this.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: If you are at an average high school Saint Louis
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: area or any place, you know, the coaching is the
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: coaching is not focused on getting guys ready for the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: next level, rightly, so it's it's focused on implementing a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: system to win football games that fall well, I would.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Disagree, I mean, because the the flophil is an extension
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of classroom, so the environment really should be about growing
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: mature and good leaders.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: In our young men. That's it should be about it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: You're right, that's the winning is good, But you really
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: want to create good young men first, and you want
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to make a good learning environment.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, so I'm I'm with you. I think that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: what it should be about. I think increasingly that's what
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it is not as it has not been about for
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at least a lot of people. And I shouldn't say
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, but a sufficiently large incremental amount
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that it has shifted the balance of power in high
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: school football.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: But I really I do think it's true that that
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: if the if the only thing important to you is
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: getting a college scholarship at the Division one or the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Power five or whatever you know level it is that
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you're you're really trying to be at, it probably is
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: in your favor to get to one of the top
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: four or maybe five or six schools.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: In the area. That might not be in the best
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: thing for you long term. That might not be I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: think I don't think it's the best thing for the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: game of high school football as a whole.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: This is somewhat anecdotal, but I think the story of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Cody Schreer kind of disproves your point, because this is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a guy who specimen of an athlete doesn't have, didn't
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: have the greatest measurables in high school, but had one
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of the greatest work ethics you could ever put in somebody. Yes,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and he was from De Soto and went to Lutheran South,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: not Lutheran South, which yes, is a private school. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: at the time they want to cry from these goliaths of.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right and they and they've never been They've had some
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: good runs, but like he and Keishawn Spragen's but like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: two really good players in the same class, Like they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: both went there and changed the program for you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: their their entire four years there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a guy like that, I mean,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it's it's a combination of a very elite work ethic
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and elite genetics.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: That's two things that really require you to go play
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the next level.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And it worked out for him to where he going
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to Truman State to start excelled there and then walked
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on to the Zoo. And I think it worked out
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: pretty well for him because he plays for the Rams now.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: So I think, I mean, I think the risk of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: transferring to one of these goodliat schools is just not
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: worth it because if you if you really are that guy,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: if you really are that guy and that good at football,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you will get looked at almost no matter where you
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: go to high.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: School, especially you're if you're in Saint Louis.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: If you're in a big area like this, you will
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: get looked at. And like if we were in shoot, Kennet's, Missouri,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: if we were in the bootheel and you really were
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: that guy, then you might not get looked at because
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is not very good and just no one's.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: There, not even that just where you're from.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that us being in a major metro area
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: helps out, and US existing helps out because we're bringing
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: these guys all the exposure they can get. So I think,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, could it could it be worth if you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: for you to go play for transfer and go play
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: for one of these elite teams.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yes it can.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a bad thing for you to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: do that, but I'm just saying that a lot of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: times the risk is not worth it. And some of
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: these guys that transfer would have been much better off
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: staying up to previous schools.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And and I just think when like, if that's your
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: goal of just trying to play for a better team
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and just to get have a have a little bit
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of a better chance to get recruited. I just, you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I just think you're not going to get more times
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: than not, you're not going to get the results you're
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: looking for. Well, I can't. I don't think any of
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: us can say what's what's right for for someone else's life.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I would say that for the three of us,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: we'd say, hey, guys, it's not all about football. That
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: is football.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: You know, most you know, most people that are that
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: we're talking about here aren't playing beyond high school.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people lose side of that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Less less than one percent ofhigh school athletes playing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I mean for some of the I thought it was
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: five percent? Or is it? It is like in D
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: one I should say, do you want you know.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Some of a lot of people listening would say their
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: best memories ever were playing high school football with a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: team that they played with for four years, not not
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a team that they transferred to for one year.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And I would that's a great point. I would agree
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: with that there is College sports are great. Playing college
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: sports are so much fun. It's I was blessed enough
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to play high school football and then go on and
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: play a sport in college.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I played rugby in college.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And rugby and college was so much fun. I will
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: never forget my years playing rugby.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It was a blast.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But there was there is nothing like high school football.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: There's nothing like playing with that exact same group. I mean,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I went to public school, so it was really the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: same group of guys that were playing together for about
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: six seven years since we're in middle school. So being
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: able to grow up with these guys and just become
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: really good friends, and then we were blessed have to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: be a good team, to be very talented. But even
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: if we weren't as good, it would it wouldn't it
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have mattered.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It's a totally different experience.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: High school football is very special, and you only get
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: one chance because once you once you graduate high school,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you can't just the oh, you know what, I'm gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: play play high school fotball and we'll see how that
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: works out.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You can't. You got one chance.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: No red shirting system, Yeah there is not, because it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: shoot if you if you go to a community college
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and you know, you get your associates whatever and then
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: a year after you graduate with your associates like you, actually,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to play a college sport. You
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: still have a few years to use your eligibility and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: go back and play. So you have you definitely have
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: more than a few second chances. But with high school football,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you got your four years in high school.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You got no red shirting, no injury red shirts, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: none of that jazz, and that's it. And that's why
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I encourage kids to just just try things out. Just
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: just try a sport, just stick with it for a bits.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: If you don't like it, cool whatever. Football is not
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: for everyone. I'm not saying everyone has to play football,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: but if you want to give it a shot, I
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: encourage you to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, one chance.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, I feel like a lot of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: these kids that transfer to these glads at Saint Louis.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Area are making a mistake.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: They really are, and it's not in their best interest
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: because while they think they're making the next level and
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: they might have a chance, it's just it's it's not realistic.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And yeah, they'll see more playing time. It's the best
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: way to develop playing time.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I mean it's that's that's my personal opinion.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's I mean, I'm not a parent are
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: one of these kids that's transferred, so I can't only
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: speak to that. But well, just from what I've been
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: able to see the past few years, I would err
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: on the side of ye. I mean, because again, it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: not like it's not like every transfer is because a
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: kid wants to go to a better team.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's not at all how it works.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Sometimes there's you know, the family, as you said, the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: family is moving, or say there was.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they just don't really go well in high school
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: long you don't mesh well certain schools. That happens. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: totally understand a lot of these transfers that I've tracked
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: are kids going from private school to another private school,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: so and and some of them might go to worst programs. Well, yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I guess just to wrap it up, i'd say it's
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope that the rate of transferring goes
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: down because I think it's good for it's it's really
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: good for the overall health of high school football. Is
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the talent is fairly dispersed, you know, if every team
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: has one or two really good players, uh, and if
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: if players are at the same school for four years,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and then we shouldn't make it sound like, you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of high school football players and saying
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it was aren't the same school for four years. It's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: just the very best players are seemed to be moving
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: quite a bit. Maybe it's ninety but I went down
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: now that was ninety six.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: But but for the good of the of the game
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: of high school football, I hope that the transferring and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: and all that goes away. But I don't criticize anyone
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: who does it. We maybe kind of disagree with this
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: here amongst us, But I do think if you are
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: looking for that incremental scholarship offer, it probably is in
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: your interest to play for a school that plays a
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: national schedule and is going to get get scouted all
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the time, and you're going to be going up against
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: other Division one prospects in practice. Although there's I wouldn't
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: say it's the best thing for your life necessarily, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: it probably from the singular focus of an incremental college
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: scholarship for football, I think it is.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: But we'll disagree on that. Yeah, I would agree to disagree. Yeah,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And I just I just when you're always just like
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: doing everything based primarily on like for sports reasons and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like for in high school when you're not even like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a you know, a world class athlete. It's just again
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if you're going to get the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: results you really want in the long run.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, off the top of my head, look at
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a guy like Derrick Henry.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: He's from I think it's Julie, Florida.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Small town, small school up in the northwest corner of Florida,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: north of Jacksonville.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He was getting three thousand rushing.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yards a year and he didn't transfer, he said, his
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: tiny school.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And then Matt he's that guy people people saw him.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So while not everyone is that guy, if you're that guy,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I would trust yourself more than you know, school trust.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Trusting a school that you don't go to yet exactly
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that you don't even go to, and thinking these guys
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: are gonna help me put get me put on the map. Yeah, well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, one example just to this is be laboring
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the point already made. But who's the guy from Shamannad
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: who's going to eas St. Louis this coming season? John
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and then his brother Jamison, So they're both gonna go
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: play basketball at East St. Louis and Jahati is playing football.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: But if I'm in my correct that part of the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: logic apparently was that he was could be a big
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: time prospect, is a tight end, and he hadn't played
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of football before.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: No, like he's never I never played before, never played.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: He's probably played football, like probably in middle school. I guess,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he never played for Shamanad and football.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I think that I think he's going to be a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: defensive end. I'm not sure like if he's going to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: be a defensive end or tight end. But I mean
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: he got it offered from Washington State, which is a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: better offer than anything he else else he's gotten for basketball. Well,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so clearly like he's graded as a highly uh well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: it's just a more thought of prospect for football than basketball. Okay,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: well assuming we don't you know, we didn't we didn't
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: email him and say hey, why exactly did you transfer him?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And he told us or we're kind of assuming that
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: it has to do with sports. But the from that standpoint, though,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I get it, if you're you know, he's new to football.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have any film playing football. No, one's very
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: few college coaches, I guess zero college coaches. I've seen
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: him playing FOTBA because he hasn't played before apparently so
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: if but but he has, he's you know, quite an athlete.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: He has the profiles to the size that that to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: play tight end or.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Or defensive ends. I get it. Can move well, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: if if he is good enough to get on the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: field for East St. Louis, which would seem to be
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a prerequisite to play Division one ball. But if he is, uh,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have film against IMG, against Bisher, Gorman, Bergen.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a million college you know, college coaches
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: or you know eyes on all those games. So from
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: his standpoint, I get it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I get why he did that, and I don't think
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I could say there's that was a bad move by
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: any you know, it's kind of an unusual situation where
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: he guy's never played football in high school before, who's
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden going from never playing to Division
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: one prospect.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: But you know, especially so late in his career, like
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: in his like development. But if that's what you're looking
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to do, I can't say that was a bad move anyway. Yeah,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I guess, well, only time will tell I guess, yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: so I've I have have you guys, John, have you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: released your your rankings top ten small large schools and
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: small schools as of this recording. As of this recording, No,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but when this comes out, we will. So I have
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: them here. This is uh these I could I could
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: take these to the We can do this officially now
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: since this isn't going to be out until after Monday.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to read the list
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: now you got old friend, Yeah, it's we're giving you
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the We're giving the keys here, alright, I could. I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: going to go to the GSB Sports Book and get
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: some action down before this is released out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: L it is.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It can be abbreviated as the GSB Sportsbook now. No, no,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: no betting on the sports book. Yeah, there's been some
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: some the naming rights have changed on the sports book. Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So the small.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Schools, I'm going to start with ten and go all
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the way up to one, down to one, down to one.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Small schools number ten, Festus number nine, Warrington number eight,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Orchard Farm are they are they.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: G A C?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yes? They are nice? Back to back and Warranton arm
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: number seven Breeze Central. What's their big bowl game called?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Or the rivalry the last year they're doing it? Oh, seriously,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: what happened? This needs to be a investigative story.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: This is the if you asked modern Days, it's Central's fault.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: If you ask Central, it's montor Day's fault. The politically
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: incorrect answer is that bree Central has gotten pretty good
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: at football and modern Day hasn't. Now moder Day isn't
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: one to play Wow.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I love when when a rivalry takes like
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: if there's an off field element there there's no a
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: rivalry about the rivalry. Number six Lift for Life, Number
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: five Parkway North, Number four m I c d S.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: By the way, who is the head coach at m
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I CDs now Matt Urban and so he was Winter
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Grost principal, but he was the head coach at my
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: CDs years ago?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, twenty years ago literally the literally the twentieth anniversary,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: he became the new head coach at my CS and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: he is the first head coach to guide Kirk would
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do a state championship in twenty twelve. Very good. I'm
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: not trying to like Stoke, I know you have good
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: relationships with both these guys. Is it gosh?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Who has been who has had a better coaching track
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: record the last Well, has Matt Irvan been a coach
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the last few years?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: No, this is his first job since twenty fourteen. Okay, Okay.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask who has had a better
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: coaching career the last few years, Matt Irvin or Fred Bouchard.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But I guess it's not really a fair No. Well,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I would have to say Fred because he's also well,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: he was obviously also coaching. He's also three and zero
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: against mad Irvan all time and state championship games. But
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that was way bad. It was. But if we're going
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah. But both those guys, I mean, have
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: been well, Okay, taking great careers. Take just keep going.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Take take Matt Irvan's last five years coaching versus Fred
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Buchard last five it's really close, really yes, and both
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: both elite coaches. He actually probably would give it to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Irvin because he did win a state title at Kirkwood,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and Bouchard, although very close like a few years like,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: was not able to win it. Here would be a good,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: great great year. Here would be a good project.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Who had a better track record as a high school principal,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: because I believe they've both been high school principals.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a really that's a great question. Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: You need to look up like test school like standardized
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: test scores and see like who how they did versus
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: how their schools had been you know, the last twenty years.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, who's next? Ye?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: The next team? Alt Off is number three? Are they
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: still class one in their class three?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Now? Class three? But they were class one last year? Right? Yeah?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: To the just many have many small school Illinois fans
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: really throughout most of most of Illinois and old to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Lutheran North is number two, Yes, and Cardinal Ritter is
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: number one. Yes. Now we will move to the large
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: gools in the Let's go to the large gools Number ten,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Hazlewood East. Yes. Has it been a while since Hazelwood
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: East would have been in the top ten. Yeah, on
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the door for a while. I mean they've been legit
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: for a few years.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: There was a period a five or ten year stretch
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: where they were they were the best team in Saint Louis.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the like eighties and ninety Yeah, especially in
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the nineties, because in ninety four they were the number
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: eighth ranked team in the country, but then they got
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: upset by Pattonville in the quarterfinals. And then the next
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: year ninety five, they won state and they had so
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: many battles between them and Hazelwood Sexual in the first
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: round of sectionals. And yeah, so the winner of those
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: games are usually like go on to play in state too. Yes,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: number nine, Belleville East, number eight, High number seven, Troy
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Buchanan number six, Lafayette number five for ZUMO North, what up?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Roman number four, Kirkwood number six, to smet number what
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: number three?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, number three to met the wrong number three?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Met number two, CBC number one. Who do you think
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it is?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say Veritas Christian Academy, but I wish yeah, not.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Not only are they number one, the number one in
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: large schools. So let me ask this question, who of
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the small schools would be potent? Would would be in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the large school rankings if it had been overall, I
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: would say probably Ritter and Lutheran North. Okay, where would
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Rider of rank? Maybe fifth, so they'd be I would say,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: so they would knock. I'd put him at four four. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, I agree, so I head of Kirkwood. Yes.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And the thing with Luther North, like if they didn't
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: lose like so many of their guys from last year,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: like I would say they'd be probably top five as
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: well overall in the area. Yes, but you would still
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: have them in the top ten. It's it's tough Hazelwood East,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Luthor North. Who's better? I would think I would think
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Luther North, Yeah, I would Belville East, Luther North. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: slew high with her North Lutheran North, so that would
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: have them up to close.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: That would be ninth if if Ritter is in there
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: as well, Troy Buchanan Luther North North, Lafayette Luther North.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: This is where it gets tough. I'm meant to go
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: through her death. That's gonna be tough for a whole
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: game for Luther North to go against like Troy, who's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: got like tons of different starters in depth like that
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: for four quarters. The one was good, good depth too.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: No they not this year, No, because they lost so
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: many guys. They got a really good starting eleven, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: could they I don't know if they could do that
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: for an entire game again. And Troy Buchanan because they
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: got like an entirely different line, and I just I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: don't know I would I would I would favorite Troy
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: in that game if they were to play, which is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: probably never gonna happen. Hopefully it doesna happen unless like
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Lutheran North would have a gain a lot of enrollment
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to then get the bump up and then yeah, so.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Anyway, how is I'm gonna ask you guys about about
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: your schools. What's the outwork for Horton Watkins this season?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Written? At least at least he's saying at least he's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: saying the correct full title written now, or he just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: sounds like a boomer. I feel really well, I wouldn't
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: say I feel really good about Leadou, but I feel
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a lot better about them having seen them in their
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: jamboree against CBC how On Frances Hal and McClair North,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: where their offense. The thing that I was concerned the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: most about their offense going into it was their their
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: line play and their their honestly their core, and they
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: passed that test of flying colors in my opinion, so
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: now they I would just worry honestly just their running
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: game because they just don't have like a great athlete
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: at running back and or not that much. But there's
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: no Andrew Hunt walking through that door. There's certainly no
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Andrew Hunts walking through that door. So that's kind of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: my big concern. But I think they could get around
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it and be pretty competitive in a lot of games.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It's just they just have a really tough schedule. Like
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: if they had like any other schedule with any of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the teams in their conference, I'd feel pretty good about
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: like a like a six or seven win season with
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the Doo. But because they have a really tough schedule,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: going six and three, it would be great, but I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: would say probably like round five or five wins, maybe six,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and then it could easily be four two, four to three. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: very good. We'll talk about VCA a few moments, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Roman have to ask you fort Zumwalt North. Their rank
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: pretty high.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: This is the highest they've been ranked to start a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: season since you were in high school.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Actually know that this team was ranked higher than Zimont
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: North when I think Roman was in high school, that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen team, that's when nineteen team was. They got
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, they were special.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: It would have been gotten like we were good from
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the start. Come on, no, no, no, you were freak they were.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I just mean a freaking break.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I just I don't remember ranking Zumalt North as high
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: as they are this year. As yeah, this year, but
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, that they were in the top five at
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: some point. I'm sure no they were. I think there
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they They might have been like fourth at one point
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: in the because I would have imagined like it would
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: have been East St. Louis number one, just met to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: CBC three or something. The LaDue might have been three
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: or four and then and then North was right there.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So let me just give a disclaimer before because that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: was Ledu coming off of the state title run.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: So any of my opinions, I love both zim North
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and very tast Christian. I currently kochat VCA and I
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: played for Small North, so I'm I'm.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Just a true North side of O foulind football fan.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I love both.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Teams dearly, but right now I'm VCA first. But I'm
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: happy to give my opinions about FCN.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I think they looked really good.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I think there are lines of scrimmage looked really really good.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And there were some questions coming in about QB but
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I think Philip Haarpossi looks really good.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really good. Jamboree he looked the summer too. He
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: has Xavier Jackson obviously is there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I guess the big name anyone knows about defensive ends
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: slash offensive tackle playing for him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they have him that guard at
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: tackle more this year, but whatever they have Matt he
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: will he will look sel.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they had some interest to deal with Jayde Nowell
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: towards a cl which is very unfortunate, so he's out
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for the season. But they as also have other great athletes.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Ca Camon Sherman's been great for him, and then Jayden
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Blateel hasn't gotten many snaps in previous years, but he
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: had some pretty incredible plays in there. Jamboree is Baast weekend,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: so I watch out for him and hammer for a bit.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: He's probably gonna rack up these ment of yards.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I just trust coach Bacon rest
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: of that coaching stats put together a very competitive and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: disciplined and hard fighting team and they're they're gonna have
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a good year, and the JUC Central as a whole
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: is much better this year.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But I still trust the Panthers to excel, right, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: if I could go back to LaDou real quick, just
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: you went in definitely a little bit about them. So
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: they have on defense, they have three guys who are
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: going D one and Mason Martin he's going to Arizona State.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Linebacker Brendan Holston committed NIU the end, and then Evan
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Bye is a junior. He's he's gotten a few big
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: offers like from Wisconsin, Purdue and Iowa State, and they
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: feel like going into the jamboree, they were feeling pretty
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: good about their defense, but like their offense, they're at
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: least they're passing wise, their offense look pretty good. So
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I just they're they're a pretty athletic team
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and I think there can be competitive against just about anybody. Yes, well,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you two guys, you guys have to be able to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: put this together at this point. Next season, the opening
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: game should be Horton Watkins versus forts Zumult North the GSV.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you take us back at time to twenty sixteen,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, we could have got that done.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: But do you know why they played both games a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: mult North? Was there a reason for that? Yeah? Because
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: we'll do stadium that construction, that's right. Well, I don't
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: think it was under construction and twenty seventeen yet or man,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: maybe it was, but no, it was. It's just a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: field was in really bad shape, I think, and they
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: just were, I think, preferred just to play road games
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and because that was I remember in sixteen they played
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: every home game at SLEW and then in the Cripple
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: for a little while too. Yeah that was twenty seventeen
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, same in twenty eighteen, I think. So yeah,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: just it sucked a little. I mean, it was great
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: because that was one of the probably the second best
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: run in team history besides the set mid the seventies,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and it just would have been nice to have had
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you home games for those teams there. But it worked out. Okay, Okay,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: So I want to do next is potential Saint Louis
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Area state champions. Oh man, So so class one this
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: is actually fun Missouri Class one and Class two probably
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: no one, right, it was like Brentwood's co opting with Clayton.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: So they're not Class two anymore. Brentwood for a while,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Brentwood fan, Yeah, it would be a Brentwood for a while.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Brentwood was Saint Louis's only Class two team Class one?
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Was there class one that got down to Yeah?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: But but are there any any teams of note in
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis and classes one, two or three? Three should be?
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Lorges in class three which one is class
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: should be in CLASSMS if for Life can make.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: A serious run. Yeah, I don't think they'll win state
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: big north At should be in four, maybe probably not five.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: But no, is Lutheran North a statewide favorite Class four? Yeah?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Their favorite, especially after what they did last year.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Me you don't want to just say, oh the would
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: state last year or the Wednestate this year, but.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I would probably go back a lot. I'd say the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: probably the main favorite in class four is Carneye, but
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: luther North is right there. Savannah by the way, they're
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Northwest Missouri. They they've looked apparently they really good this offseason,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and then Parkway North. I would put them in there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And then if Rockwood Summit drops down the Class four,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: which actually I would say if if I if you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: put a gun in my head, I would say yes
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: they would. They would be probably a top five contender
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: So we are recording this on Sunday, August twenty fourth,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and the classes and districts get released this coming Friday.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Friday morning and night. I think eight am.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, So we don't know exactly the classes yet, which
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: is annoying. I'll say, I wish you knew them before
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: this season started, but I'm gonna say I'm not gonna trying.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Out, but yeah, and then class five is that's the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: most fun class for me, okay, I was always the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: most fun class? Is are there? If you said, okay,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: who who which?
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: If you have had to pick two or three Saint
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Louis teams, he said, they are the they have the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: best shot to win it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: From Saint Louis, I would say it's Ritter and Zoom
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: all North if you look at the.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And I think, I think so, I have not heard
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: any I've not heard any rumor indication from anybody from
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: that school. Who is who thinks they'll be in class six.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: You're not going on satellite imagery and counting the cars
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: in the parking lot to try to see how many
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: people a showing they might.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I talked to coach Macklin a week ago and I
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: asked him that, and he said he doesn't know that
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah, so but well if he doesn't know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we can figure it out. Yeah. I would
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: think Kirkwood would love to be in Class five just
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: because it just gives him a better chance to win
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: a state championship. But what but it is the favorite
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: in Class five is Platte.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: County, Yeah, Black County. That was going to ask, is
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: is how likely is it that a Saint Luis Area
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: team wins that? So class four, it sounds like there's
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: class good chance the Saint Luis Area team wins Class
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: four classified.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It's a little.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Early for us to say something like that, because especially
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: last year going into the season, everyone was like, oh
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: my gosh, Class five is Corn Ritters to lose and
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna be the world versus Ridder and then
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Lafayette Stumm yes, because everyone was just forgetting that, Oh,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: there's actually a lot of really good teams in Class five,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: it's not just corna Ridder. And the same thing applies
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: this year. I mean, I'm not and I'm not saying
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: it's Corner's class to lose. They're a really good team
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and definitely a favorite, and they should make some sort
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: of run because they're very talented. But I'm not just
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: going to go out and hand a class with.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Somebody's I think if you were going to do that
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: with any team, it'd be Platte County because they were
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: returning like virtually their entire offense and they have the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: best the best quarterback in the state, Rocko Marriott, who's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: he's six foot four and he's also some some schools
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: are winning the recruited to be a receiver or a
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: tight end because that's how fast he is.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: This is also why Max Preps can be untrustworthy from
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Missouri rankings. Oh they always are, because I think Max
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Preps has Platt County ranked is the twelfth best team
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: in Missouri, which is ridiculous.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Make that two yeah, I think seriously, Oh, I was wrong.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Max Preps has Platt County rankers the fourteenth best team
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: in Missouri, which is grossly wrong.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: That is so wrong. I think they're doing it because
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: of their like schedule, strength of schedule, because they do
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: kind of have that stuff. I think they're using that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's some sort of a quantitative rankings. Platt
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: County does not have a good schedule, but it didn't
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: matter it didn't Woman in the schedule is not that
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: bad this year. It's Sage. Green Valley is usually decent.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: They're Green Valley. Green Valley is not looking good. Smithville
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: is a Class four school. They're good, but like anyone
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: a podoh Stage Greatest Athlete of all time Aberpools, Yes,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's the bad and whatever they're I think
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: it's a fair assumption. Yeah, I haven't done a thorough
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: review of their alumni page, but yeah, yeah, so and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: then yeah, classify and then like you also got like
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: some other teams that could be emerged from Class five
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: as well, like from Saint Louis and Kings Last five
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is always the most white talking about it's like it's
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: it's kind of it's wide open but also really battle tested.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And that's the best. Yes, well, and then there's always teams.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: There's always a you know, one team every year that
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: moves down from Class six that you weren't thinking of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: as a contender in Class five and all of a sudden,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: they're the best team in CLASSI five. Maybe it could
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: possibly be could what we'll see? Yeah, and you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Saint hi Sex is another team in Kansas City, but
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: like they had. They're one of those rare Kansas City
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: private schools who actually had a lot of D one
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: town their team. But they graduated a lot of those guys,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and they have they might have the toughest schedule out
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: of anybody in the state. Yes, and so they depending
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: on how that goes, they could be limping into the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: playoffs at like three and six or something. So all right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I want to end with Missouri Class six, so to
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: make that the last one, we'll do Illinois really quickly.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing all toof has a shot in Class
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: two three, Class three. Yeah, I really tough. They should.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think, I don't. I don't know if that
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: one state, Oh well, I guess what helps a little
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: bit is that they don't have to worry about like
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Montini Catholic or whatever from Chicago, or they will have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to worry about Byron, who's really good. But no, they
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: should be pretty good there. I don't know if win State.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: They lost a lot, I mean, they got help from
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal, but they did lose a lot of guys,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: including the air Hill. So but it'll be you know,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: that'll be you know when they'll start in week ten
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and so they'll have a lot to have figured out
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and probably put together by then. So yeah, they're in
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: class three brief central and class four. They'll be good
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and the pre central of a shot in the class
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: four because when you get to like some of the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: chicagulary of private schools or some fortunately, they will not
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: have to deal with the Paul College prep because they
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: got moved. So they won class four and get this,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: they moved all the way up to class seven. Oh wow, Yeah,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: which tells you how ridiculous you know that was because
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: that was a school with thirteen hundred kids or not
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: thirteen hundred, but like I think they had over a
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: thousand day like some multiplier. But that's just crazy that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: they were in the class four to begin with. So yeah,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: so they'll they'll probably have the if they continue to win,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: they'll probably run into uh, you know Mountain Zion who
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: they lost to, and that's where they I forget his name,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the tight end who committed the ole miss who almost
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: committed Illinois. Oh yes, yeah, and I think they returned
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: their quarterback but they so yeah, their Mountain is a
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: great program, and normal u HI has another good team
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: in Class four there too, in Kohokia they should be
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: all right, and then uh good defensive coordinator. Yes. And
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: then class five it was in Highland Triad and MA
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Scooter and our own Class five. And if Waterloo actually
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: can go down to the class four they should be
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: pretty good too. Again, so that's another team to look
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: out for. Then class six is Eastint Louis. How do
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: you think they can make it? Yes, yes, I think
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: they can. Uh, and then I guess the only other
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Edwardsville are they still class eight? Yes they will? That
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: should be. And then bell Will Least is also class
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: eight because if East would have gone down the class
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: seven for whatever reason, that they probably have a better shot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: But class eight got a lot tougher because Mount Carmel
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: uh moved up to class eight. So now yeah, now
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: they got to deal with Loyola Academy and Carmel all
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and also Lincoln Way East. Yeah. Those those are three
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Chicago Juggernauts. Yeah, that's that's that's really tough once you
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: get to that level. Yeah, so GG, Edwards Hill and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Bella Least. Yeah. Okay, so that brings us to Missouri
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Class six.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: So we know obviously that cbe whoever comes out of
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis between CBC just met H and Kirkwood. Wasn't
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: thinking Kirkwood, but you have to mention them because they
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: eat CBC in the playoffs just last year and slew
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: you gotta.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I think maybe I think they want to mention in
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: that little little quadrant.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, uh so who are the non Saint Louis teams
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: that are going to be competing with those guys?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And then Blue Springs South, Blue Springs least In North
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Least HS and Liberty is looking pretty good up there, yes,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and Liberty, Yeah, the usual suspects in the casey big
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: schools and those are all really good teams. So I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: mean they got obviously because they only have just a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: few private schools, so they're going to have better public schools. Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: So the NIXA is really interesting to me. So as
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you guys know, as most of the people listening, there
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: was the whole controversy with the color commentary the state
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: championship game last year NIXA against De smet and they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: took that to heart because they well they took one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: of the Smeth's plays. Yes, so I think that you
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: know the.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Gist of some of the color commentary was essentially that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: that NIXA can't hang with a Saint Louis area private school.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: They did hang. I think the I think the the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: exact words from the announcer is at halftime he was
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: talking about NIXY said they need to have a stern
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: conversation at halftime and say, look, guys, we're in the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: state championship. Well, I don't know if there was a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: stern conversation or not, but there was some. The outcome
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: of it was that they went and took this that's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: best player. So yeah, that's true, and that being running
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: back Jaden Mcast, who's committed to s I U does
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that a hypothetical rematch of this met and NIXA? Who
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: do you have winning that Nixa, it's tough to stop.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I said's tough to stop Jade Maccast running behind Jackson
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: can't well. And I said, I said NIXA would win
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the title game in the pits, which I got wrong.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: But so how I was one of the few in
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the proud that picked the smet.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, So so the two things I know about NIXA
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: are three things because of Jaden Mcast. But I know
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: about Jackson can't well. And I know that Jason Bourne
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: in the Jason Bourne Novels was from NIXA. Aside from
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: the aside from Jackson can't well, how good? How good
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: is their roster?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: It's really good. Q Adam mcnight, who's a junior. He's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: one of the best QB's in Missouri and on some
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: times some plays he's essentially he's a lead blocker as well.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: They have those little packages where it looks like he's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: going to take a snap, but then he'll shove off
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: to the side and then there'll be a direct snap
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: to the running back, and then he's really a quarterback
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: slash fullback, which you don't see very often. He's built
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, he's a big kid. They got a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: they have a huge offensive line besides Jackson Cantwell, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: they also got to transfer from another out of state
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: transfer to come in a wide receiver as well. And
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: this is the year that they're going all in for.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: This is this is Yes, it's all been kind of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: building up for this year. If you kind of listen
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: to the folks and Springfield, I'm just curious. Do they
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: play like a national schedule. They don't. It's they in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the COEC conference. It's kind of it's a big enough
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: conference where it takes up an entire schedule, and so
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a good schedule because they're playing really
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: good teams like Web City and Carthage and Public. So
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: that's the conference they're in. Yeah, Okay, so that's no.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: So that that's that's that's legit. Yeah, and then I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: would say there's four or five pretty solid teams in there.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Hayden Mainz is the other returning alignment the half He
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: is also very good.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, but like I just think again we were
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: talking earlier about the transfers and just the whole nature
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: of that. You know, Web City is like the dynasty
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: of dynasties in Missouri.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and they'll be really good too that like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: they they were, but but but they they never in
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: all of the years of sixteen state championships, I think
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the number is like they never had a top player
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: from Saint Louis or Kansas City transfer to Web Cities.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I don't believe. So yeah, I mean that that's an
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: unprecedented happening. Yeah, especially playing them in a state championship
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: game too. Yeah seen three hours, like yeah, like three
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and a half hours from your town, you get you're in,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: you get their best player to come transfer there. So yeah, crazy,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: but yeah and websity they should be pretty good too.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: This year. They have you just curious, have you?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's video of like the postgame handshake from
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: that game that's it's out there.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Have you like slowed that down? And like, was was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: there an extended conversation maybe between I don't think one
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: of the coaches and one of the players tampering because
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the season was over, right, second season ends, But I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: don't think it was. Yeah, obviously clearly a lot of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: jokes being told about this. Yeah, but the anyway, I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: know that that that will be fascinating and that that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: would be quite a story. If there is a just
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: met Nicks rematch in the state championship game. I don't
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: know if he'll be in the state. It could it
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: could be in the semi finals, because you know, we
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: should rotates every year, like who comes out of which district?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: In the you know teams played. You know there's eight
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: districts and classes now two through six, and they wrote
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: eight every year like who plays where?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Now that this is a this is uh something I'm
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: submitting to the the GSV Executive Committee here that that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: I I really think you guys need to make happen
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: if that, if that rematch does happen, you guys need
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: to find the announcer from that previous game and shoot your.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: If Mishall won't put him up as the announcer for that,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and you guys have to come on. No, that would
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: be That would be awesome.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm not wishing ill will towards the gentleman, but
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, after the debacle that happened last.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Year, this is gonna get a vent whoever they let
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: in the booth again, because that was bad. That was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, I don't think it was that. Maybe
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it was bad. I think I think it got a
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: little overblown. No, it was if you were, if you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: were involved in any way of that game, you'd be
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: pleaviar with that. I want to go to UH if
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: you guys are willing talk about the schedule for this
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: this coming week, and it struck me that the best
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: games this coming weekend are all on Thursday night. At
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that was the majority, I would say, probably the majority
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: of five ones, the majority of the top ten games,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: probably half top ten games, which is just a lot, Yes,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: a lot, Son, Which game? Which games? Will you be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: at this weekend in Jersey for that game? Right? No?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Ah darn unfortunately not no. But I'll be the next
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: best place, which is will do And I'll be there
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: for the Ludu Troy game. Which what is the line
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: going to be on that game? It will be minus
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: six and a half Troy, which is Rudy Cannon minus
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: six and a half at lad It's a lot. It's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: a sharp because Troy beat by twenty eight points last year.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about this on another podcast, Like they beat
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: them by twenty eighth, they really could have beaten them
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: by fifty if they wanted to. Yeah. Yeah, So the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: fact that it's minus six and a half of his
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: shows that there's probably there's been probably been some improvement
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: by the Le dou and and maybe I don't know
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: what's going on in Troy. There how many points is
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the Horton Watkins crowd worth in home field advantage? Uh zero? Yeah,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: might have the worst student section in the entire state.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: That's sad. Yeah, And that's that's sad. Yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: And hey, if you're if you're like one of the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Horton Watkins student section leaders. You know, he's very biased
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: against LA Do so it's it's probably not true what
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: he just said, but.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: They probably would agree. And I you know, God love
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: those people who go to the games and like I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: want to get involved. But you know it must be
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: hard for those kids to be like, like you have
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: some passion and they just can't get a lot of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: their friends that comes as they don't want to anyway.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: So I'll be there on Thursday and then on Friday,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: I'll be in Jackson for the Cardinal Ritter game when
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: they play the Indians and Cardinal River had Jacks. That'd
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: be quite a game. Is Jackson supposed to have a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: good team this year? Yeah, that would be pretty good.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: And they had a nice team last year. They went
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: to the quarterfinals, gave kirkud a really good game. It
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: was a fun game that we both went to and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Kirkwood won that ultimately, Corn Ritter at Bill Jackson, I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: mean at Jackson that should be a very good game.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Is uh.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: One of one of the the the the the Saint
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Louis area opener six p m. Thursday night for Tumult
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: North at Pattonville. There yea that should be a good one.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: A couple of injuries, so there's some key players are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: gonna be out for small.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: North, but there were a lot of returning starters. I'm
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: still confident North Is is loaded enough to handle that game.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And Hadgill's got a pretty nice stadium too. They do.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Last time the Walt North played there was that's right,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: probably the most depressing game in their school's history.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I was on the team when it happened.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Actually it was the Class five States in my finals
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Want more with that?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Pattonville quite literally the worst weather conditions you could ever
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: have for a football game. Yeah, it was raining, extremely windy,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: and it was a touch over thirty two degrees so
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: instead of being a dry like snow, it was extremely
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: cold and extremely wet, and it was absolutely miserable. And
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: fortunately for Pattonville was an amazing team. They were a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: great team that year. Both teams were great teams that year,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: but the main difference was that Pattenville had a guy
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: named Caleb bell Be in the backfield and no matter
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: what wind or rain was thrown his way, his he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: could throw in it could just cut through the air
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: so easily, and it was just it was it was.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: It was impressive to watch. He must have heard to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: catch those passes was very impressive to watch. There there's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: a reason he went to Western Michigan and did so good. Yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: he was had a very good couch career. He was
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: he was elite and the rest of the team was
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: very good too. Had that. They had a lot of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: great athletes, and they had a big they had a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: lot of size too. Yeah, that was a great Patent team.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I was there for like half a corner and I left.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: It was bad. It was I was already late to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the game anyway, but it was like and I didn't
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: bring my glass, so I'm like, I can't take this.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: It was bad. Yeah. Any other games of note on Thursday. Yeah,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that should be a fun one. Yeah. Yeah, that was
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: two good teams, Talent Eureka. That should be very interesting.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Those are two teams that I don't think it'll be
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: as interesting as Lot. Well it could, it could be. Yeah,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I mean last year, how had twenty four yards the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: old game that's gotten more interesting in Yeah, it will be.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: It should be. It should be. Yeah, that was that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: was rough. Yeah, those are two teams that were kind
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: of perennial top ten teams for a while and then
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: neither is in your time those like over the last
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: fifteen years or so, both these programs have been perennial
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: top ten programs in the area. But yeah, not the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: same as they've been in recent times, I would, I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: would say, but yeah, I know Roman wasn't too impressed
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: with Eureka on Friday. Neither was I so much, and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: same same with hol So it might be a little different,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: but it but yeah, compared to last year, should be
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: a better game. Yeah, is this a trend this year?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: So look at you know, there seems like there's more
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Thursday night games than Friday night games. This week. There's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: more Friday games. It was very close. It's just it
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: just happens to be at some of the bigger ones
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: around Thursday. Yeah. I know a lot of people aren't
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: happy with that, But strictly for media purposes, this is
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: actually great because I can be and like it's it.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: That's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. There's a three days of football
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: where I can be at a game, and I can
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: have other people be at games too and get more
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: content for you guys. So yeah, it actually works out
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: really well for media purposes. Yeah, and Saturday, Honestly, I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: didn't see any games. No, I will be at Riverview Gardens.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: They host written so I think I think that could
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: be an interesting game. And then if I was really bullish,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I would make the drive up to Jacksonville, Illinois and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: see Highland play the Crimsons. But I will not be
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: doing that because there will be ten games and I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: got a lot of editing to do.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it would be interesting if we
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: briefly discuss m I CDs is hosting a home game
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: on a Friday night.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a big game to do a really good,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: small massive game. Is that was m I CDs not
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: allowed to have home games at night for a while
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: or they still still wann't. But they can't have lights,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: but they can have like these. I guess they made
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: a deal. This is what Burrows did last year with
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: U City, where they bring in makeshift lights.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: So they can't have like permanent light fixtures. No, does
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: the game start early like six o'clock? Okay, so I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: guess hypothetically that it. I guess they will have lights.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: They just won't. It won't permanent structures, right, and I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: guess you know they won't have lights for very long.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: It's like it should still be fairly light out until
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: it's like seven thirty or whatever. So how does overtime
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: work in high school football in Missouri? It's almost the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: same thing as college. It's the almost It's no, it's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the exact same as college.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Besides, that's why is it almost because they don't have
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: a stupid I'm assuming Michigan pick up the stupid they
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: have cons thing.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, good now, you good job. That's mischa. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: thank you, Mischian. You appreciate you. And you go from
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line until you have no legs left. Yeah,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, which is great. I love that way.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: So there is it is possible that they will run
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: out of the time that they're allowed to have lights.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: They'll yeah, oh, you're right, the uldimate chaos situation. Seriously. Yeah, well, Roman,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Veritas Christian Academy and
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: most specifically the football team at VCA. You are, as
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: has been mentioned before here, you are the the the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. You're you're number two with them, You're
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: number two of kind of the the restart of their
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: football program. Yeah. Uh, and you kick off the season
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: seven pm Friday night against Saxony Lutheran. Yeah, new team
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: from from Jackson, Missouri. Yep.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: So it was also Saxony Lutheran's first year having a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: varsity schedule. And it's it's probably gonna it's gonna be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: a good game. It's a but I say, both teams
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: have decent athletes. I mean, nothing crazy, man, It's yeah,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna come out here and say that we
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: should be ranked.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, I.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Trust our guys. I think they've grown a lot this summer.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: The growth we've seen is is great. I mean, these
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: guys have put in a lot of tough hours in
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: the field and weight.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Room, on the track.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's been very productive and I'm I'm the progress
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: from last year is very real.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of guys are coming back. It's just it's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: just tough because i mean, look at the looking at
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the future. It's we gotta we gotta find a way
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: to recruit. So that's gonna be tough.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: But and by recruit being you, you're you're it's a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: small private school, you have to have a minimum number
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: of guys play.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: At least for our school. It's more of recruiting our
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: own current students to play. Yeah, I met him a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: number of people to play.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't a poached any about it. It's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: it's hard enough for us to keep our own students
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: play football. That's what we got to focus on first
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: and just build a good culture and good program. But
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm looking for us to be
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: competitive this year, and I really think we can. They
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: can get a lot of guys that have really settled into.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Their roles, and it's gonna be tough. We do a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: lot of guys playing both ways. You know, we have
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: a small team, but the guys we're playing, I believe our.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Roster sizes twenty five right now, but a lot of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: other teams have roster sizes like that as well. Because
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: I think we'll be in Class one again, so I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: can't make excuses. Got to go out there and work
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: and do our best and compete and see how it
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: plays out.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: It would still be nice for I just because I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: know it's actually Lutheran this their first year, and it'll
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: be kind of nice because one A teams are hard
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: to find in this part of the state. So yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: they they should be one. Yeah, we'll be one A
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: not yeah, there's not too many other last one teams
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: around he because I know, like last year year district
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: was pretty crazy with the geography.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: It was pretty much the entire Missippi River seriously up
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: from Louisiana down.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: To mal Than I think in our district.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: That's so this the schedule that I have in front
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: of me here with man, have you complete so you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: play Saxony Lutheran so before you finish that.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: We're actually playing a hybrid schedule. So we're playing three
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: JV games and six varsity games, which I think is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: really good for us.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: So we can.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Play some more established programs that playing their JV games
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: so that we can still have those minimum five games
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, but also go against JV teams
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: that are still gonna be good competition for us. Even
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: though it's not you know on the varsity record, it's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: it's still really good snaps for it's really good exposure.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: And we we understand we're out. We're not We're not.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out winnes date this year. That's the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: goal was to win at the championship. But we know
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: where we're at, and well, we're honest with our with
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: our progress right now, and we're taking a little by
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: little and and enjoying the progress we're getting.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: And enjoying the ride. Great, very good.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I would love nothing more than to see uh
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Veritast Christian Academy owning the line of scrimmage uh and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: beating everyone here and then winning the state championship eventually.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I do have to ask, since you are the offensive
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: line coach, you know, everyone who follows GSV knows that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: the John.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Is in way better shape than he used to be.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: He's uh, you know, transformed himself, you know, athletically and physically.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Could John, Would John be a starting offensive linement at
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: your level?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Now? Would he be?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Would he be in the like the kind of your
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: your sweet your depth? Would he be in the one
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: of the first three off the bench?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: We only have seven linemens, so would he be six?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: What he beat out one of the seven? Probably not? See,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I don't never play football, so I can't. I'm sorry, John,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I just can't gave me. I think one summer, I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: think I'd be able to get into the starting lineup
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: with my with my athletics, like with my national athleticism
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: and size, I think i'd be able to and a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: good weight like a good good lifting program too. You've
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: never seen me before being like any athletic, but I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: used to be and I still could be actually got
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: into shape. That's a big if. That Big John and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I go way back. I think he actually would.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he'd be uh, I'm not saying he'd
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: be starting for like CBC, but I think he he'd
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: be like I think for Horton Watkins. I think given
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: the like a year of like legit coaching and getting shape,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: I think he'd probably starter.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you for du that means a lot. But anyway, Uh,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: do you guys have time to talk some college ball?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Very briefly, Yeah, very briefly. Yeah, So what's your I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: want to get your take on Florida State. There they've had,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: they've had, they've had a roller coaster, you know, the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: last couple of years. But I think that you know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: the the high school recruiting has seems to have improved.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: Now, that won't help them this year, but I I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm at least a little bit intrigued in that they
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: brought in Gus malls On as they're off asive coordinator.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: And when Gus Malsan has a running quarterback, he's generally
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: been pretty good. And they've got a great athletic quarterback.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: And then Tommy Castellanos.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Tony White also came in at the DC,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: brought from Nebraska, brought some guys.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Down from there, and it's last year was so bad.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: It's it's tough because it's it's Florida State. We should
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: be winning in the a c C and the AEC
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: is pitfall the season awful conference. We should be winning
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: bare minimum ten games a year, bare minimum, And just
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: the fact that we could triple our wind total from
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: last year would still be a bad season.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: It makes me sad. But I don't know, it's just
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a weird spot right now.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I'll just say that, Yeah, I don't see them winning
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: ten games this year, but but eight, you know it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: would would is reasonable and then that you know, if
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: you win.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Eight, then you're you're on the track. Up Robin, I
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: know you've got a lot of friends at in Columbia, Missouri, Miszoo.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: What is your outlook for them this year? I'll give
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I'll give mine. Uh, I think they'll be very good
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: on defense from what I and I don't. I don't,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: I don't subscribe to any of the you know, missoo
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: premium sites or anything. So this is all from just
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: kind of reading Phil Steele, reading the National stuff. But
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: Damon Wilson, the edge rusher from Georgia, a lot of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: the National people are very high on him. They get
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: some other transfers on the defensive line, you know, they
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: return several of their linebackers and the safeties Martin including
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Marvin Burk's Saint Louis High School legend.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: H Yeah, the Torriano Pride. He's you know, I'm not
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: sure we know exactly how.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Good he is, but he's definitely a high ceiling guy
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: at corner who at least gives him a shot to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I think he physically athletically can hang with
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: the some of the top wide outs they'll face. Jalen
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Catalan at free safety.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: That guy is he's like twenty four years old, but
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: that's he's a He's a legit SEC starter there. So
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I think the defense is pretty good.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: It certainly you can maybe question the star power, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have a lot of weaknesses, none that I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: can really isolate on. And then offense, I think he
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: got to pilled pretty good about the skill positions on offense.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: With the running back from where was he from South
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: Alabama or Louisiana, Louisiana Monroe? I think was he was
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: first team? Yeah, first first team Sun Belt running back
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Rett Norfleet g a C alumnus.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Kevin Coleman, who was.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: As big a star as any in Saint Louis high
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: school football. Obviously, the QB situation is a little I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: mean that it's I say it's it's totally unknown that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: both Bo Pribola and Sam Horne are going to be playing.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, could could Bo Prible Let's
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: assume it's him for a second. Could he be about
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: what Brady Cook was? Yeah, I think so reasonable.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Brad Brady was really good, but you know, it wasn't
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: in the Heisman Trophy, So it's not like it's an
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: impossible task.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a guy who can't move and a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: guy who kind of consistently makes plays.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: We know that Privila can move the consistently makes plays.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: That that's up in the air.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: But, but, but, but neither of those guys was a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: you know, major NFL prospect or you know, challenge anyone
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: challenging for all American So I think he could certainly
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: be at that level. The concern I would have if
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: I were a Zoo fan, the big concern I would
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: have on offense was the news that they were that
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Caden Green, their star left guard, was practicing at left tackle.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: And as just for my years of watching college football,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: one of the most sure signs that your team is
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: in a bad spot is when they talk about moving
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: your best guard to tackle. That's a really bad sign
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: for me. Why is that, Well, because you're.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: The strength of a college offensive line in the running
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: game usually is really good guards in my experience, and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: when you take one of the guys moving the tackle,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you go from being a
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: really good guard to a not so good guard. And
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: then I know his backup is not so good. I'm
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: assuming his backup is not anywhere near as good as
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Kaden Green. And it also means that you, I think
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you're getting a little too.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: It means that you clearly don't think very highly of
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: your tackles. If you're moving a guy from a different position.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: It's not always like that. It's it might be, but
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: I will I will.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: I will put it this way, every Illinois season that
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: is involved moving a star guard to tackle has not
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: going well.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: So that would be every Illinois season period right two
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: thousand and one, two thousand and seven. I consider twenty
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: ten a success before we move on from doing a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: shoutout not just Breton Norfley, but also Jude James at
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: tight ends to Howill Viking.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: He's a tight end for the Tigers. I did not know.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: It's super love to see it. No, So, but what's
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: your take on on Missouri this year? I think Sam
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Horn is gonna be a lot better than people think
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: he could be. Do you think I think?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be saying they're they're both gonna
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: play Infntion Arkansas on Thursday. They're both gonna get a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: lot of snaps. But I think Sam Horn is It
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: seems like they wanted to be the.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Guy they do, and I think he's.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: He's been waiting his turn, and I've heard some good
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: things at a Fault camp about him, Not that it means.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Anything, but he was really he looked really really good
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: in high school, not that it means anything in college.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it hasn't because like people thought he was
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: going to pass pass up Brady Cook and he never
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: did so. But yeah, it seems like they've been wanting
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: to give Horn as many opportunities as possible. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: the big game for Missouri this year that I think
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: really will determine a lot of how their season goes
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: is September twentieth at in Columbia against South Carolina. The
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: k Games. Oh, I think they're winning that game. It's huge. Yeah,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: they should, but that's renewed and I think Missoo wins
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that one pretty easy show. South Carolina's going to mean
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: more ultimately. I think when you look at this back
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: of the season, though, I put it this way, if
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: misso better program than Kansas, if Missoo loses to Kansas,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: that would be so sad that we Missoo is gonna
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: have a bad Missoo is gonna be tear season. They're
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: gonna if they lose to Kansas, They're gonna have a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: bad season. Kansas would be terrible. I would be I
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: would I might be wrong, I'm this, but I think
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Kansas returns literally zero receiving yards from last year.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: I mean they've probably they were five and seven last
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: year and they lost everything from that.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: And their offensive coordinator also go to Wisconsin. I think
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: he was asked to leave. Oh really, I don't think
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: they went him back. That's probably an upgrade. Yeah, because
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: that was bad. That was with their quarterback last year
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: forget his name, but like they did not do so well.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Their defensive coordinator left as well. That those guys had
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: both been with Lance Lifehold for well, not nothing off.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: The defense coordinator had been with him for years. They
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: lost their offensive coordinator at Penny State. Yeah, ago, that's
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: what really kind of was a bad sign for them.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: But State was really good last year. Yeah, but but
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: the you know, Miszoo, I think they almost certainly opened
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the season three and oh that South Carolina game would
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: take you to four and oh if if you could
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: win it. The next game is UMass and and then
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: you have the really tough stretch from October eleventh on.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: You play Alabama at home.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: At Auburn at Vanderbilt, who's uh winnable, but there's no
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: picnic this year, and then Texas A and m SO
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: that's for.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: You know, especially Alabama and A and M.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: But I think I don't think you can overlook Vanderbilt
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: in this age of the transfer portal.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: They've got a really good quarterback. Alabama definitely can't look
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Para built. Yeah, we saw it happen last year. Yes,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: and then they closed the season Mississippi State. That's a win.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: At Oklahoma that's gonna be tough, and at Arkansas, which
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: they should win that game. But Arkansas is not a pushover.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: But no, no, I mean they who they beat last year.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: I don't recall top but they beat someone really, really good.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: They have an experienced quarterback. You have a coach who's
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: in year six seven. I want to say, is I'm
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: taking Arkansas. Sam Pittman, surprisingly is still with the team. People.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole deal with him is that everyone loves
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: him as a person because he's just a good recruiter.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: And it was not backing the recruiter, but he's just
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: he's just a fun person to be around, and he's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: very he's very good at putting a positive spin on
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: a program. But they just have been struggling in the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: past few years. They've haven't been a bowl game and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: shoot four years now, I think, yeah, I could be wrong,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: but that that's a game, last game of the season.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: I mean it's possible that that that's a game where
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: either the coach has.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Already been fired I'm talking about an Arkansas's case, or
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: you basically know it's going to happen as soon as
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the game ends, or it's possible that you know that
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: that that game is the swing game where if they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: win that game, he might have they win the Liberty Bowl.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: That's right, So Arkansas is not as bad as I
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: thought they were. No, they return, They return and experienced quarterbacks,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: and you know that that's not a pushover game. I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: would I think Missou would be favored, But I think
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: it really just depends on what the the outlook for
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: that game depends a lot on what state Arkansas is in.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: If if it's the situation where the players have given up,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: where the coaches are already been fired, Miszoo probably wins
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: rather easily. But if it's you know where, where that
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: game maybe makes the difference whether or not the coach
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: is fired and the players like him don't want him
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: to be fired. Uh, they might be playing really really
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: hard in that game and that's always a tough kind
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: of team to go against. Well, as long as I mean,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Arkansas no longer has to do what Bratt Beielma is
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: our coach and he has the wasn't he fired on
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: the field too? Yes? He was. That was one of
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: the line.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: That was one of the situations where you knew before
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: the game he was going to be fired, and it
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: was I think literally as soon as the clock hit zero,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: there was someone like coming out saying there, yeah, but
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: please please.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Please turn in your ID card. But yeah, Illinois this year, boy,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: we're uh, we're most over high team in the country.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and give me a freaking I'll accept
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: that side. Really good. We're marking twelve.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, con No, what have we seen from Illinois
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: over the past fifty years.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: That's gonna show me that this is the best shape
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: they have been in since the nineties of like having
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: a good year and then building off of it. Yeah.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: The thing I'd say about Illinois this year is you
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: return a quarterback who's been a starting a starter for
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: two years. You return every offensive line starter, you return
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: almost all the starters on defense, including you're clearly your
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: two best players. Gabe Acchis, Xavier Scott, you have a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: This to me is amazing. The head coach, the defensive
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: line coach, the offensive line coach, the strength coach, and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: the associate strength coach are all in year five.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: It's been the same guys all the way through ly.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: The offensive coordinators in year four. The defensive coordinator is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: in year three, but he's been on the staff the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: whole time. And you they they don't really have the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: top end talent outside of maybe Altmeyer, maybe Acus, maybe
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Xavier Scott.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: They really they.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Don't have elite top end talent outside of those guys,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: they don't think.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: But what they do have is just very consistent play
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: at every position. There's really no clear weakness you can
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: point to the weakness, if any is just the lack
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: of elite player of truly you know, elite players. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: this is by far the deepest Illinois team I can remember.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: And the statistic that really drives.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: This point home is if you look at their too
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: deep and you say, you know, you think about teams
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: that have gained or lost from the transfer portal. So
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: just looking at their two deep, Illinois has they've lost
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: five guys due to transfer. That would have been in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: the two deep. Most of them would have been backups,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: but five guys who if they had stayed.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: At Illinois would be in the two deep.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: They have added sixteen guys as transfers that are in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: the two deep, so the so their net plus eleven
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: on the two deep. And that's in addition to so
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: they've had very few guys transfer out, and they've had
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys transfer.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: In who are gonna be in the two deep.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: And you're in year five with a coach that's had
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: very little staff turnover, and so this is finally the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: year that the guys he's recruited are into their you know,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: third and four years where they'll be contributing. So I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: don't the thing I feel very confident in for Illinois
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: is the last five games of the year that they're
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: gonna be you know, when other teams get banged up there,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: if Illinois gets banged up, they're gonna have games.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: They have one hard game the whole year.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Now, Illinois is probably gonna finish with ten wins the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: mother season because their schedule is so easy.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: It's so easy. It's they're going to go to app Indiana,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: then host USC game, and on the road, on the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: road at Washington. Yes, yeah, I don't think Illwi is
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: quite that good where they're gonna win ten games. I
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: think they could win eleven games.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's there's they're gonna be at either favored or
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: you know, no more than a three point.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: From last year where they have a decent record and
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: a power to conference and they get boat raced in
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: the first round.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Of the playoffs, Yeah, that could happen. Well, No, I
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: don't see a only getting boat raced by an We'll see,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I see them treats in the week seven
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: do that would be the one instance. But in a
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: in a in a first round playoff game, I think
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: it would be a competitive game, just because they don't
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: depends all built all about the opponent. Well, they don't
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: have like an obvious weakness that a great team could
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: exploit over and over again. I mean they'll they'll I
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: think they'll be comp and they'll they'll be very very
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: hard to Their weakness last year was their defensive line.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: They didn't have they didn't have enough big defensive linemen.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: They were weak against the run. They've changed that in
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal this year. They're way bigger on the
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: defensive line this year than they were last year. But
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: now as I look at the schedule, though, I you know,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: their bye week is after the seventh game, so I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: split it up the first seven games the last five games,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and I think they'll probably go either five and two
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: or four and three in the first seven games. Could
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: go six and one, but I think it's most likely
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: either five and two or four and three. They've got
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: at Indiana. Indiana I think is probably underrated going into
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: this year that they did not lose a lot from
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: last year. They play at Duke. I think Duke's tough,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: but I think illinly beats them, and then USC comes
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: to Champagne USC.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a lot better this year
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: versus last. But it's that last five games of the
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: year where that schedule is pretty soft, and I think
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: Elano has got a good shot winning all five of those.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope. All right, So I think that'll do it.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: We covered a lot of topics. Yeah, it's been fun, guys.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah good, hopefully you can come back soon. How much
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: have you on? Very good? I have a fun season,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you all right. See piece