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Episode 32 - XJ Talk Show! · Jeep Talk Show

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  (both) Excited to talk show!
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  (ila)
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  Fitz orbits one!
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  (both)
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  NAIL.
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  alongside for compare
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  Well, greetings and salutations.
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  This is Tony Mutteroy on XJTalk.com and
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  this is the show about
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  Jeep Cherokee's, brought
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  to you by XJTalk.com.
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  Did I mention that already?
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  So I was listening to last week's show
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  and I noticed I never
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  talked about the power door
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  lock module, the PDM,
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  power, how does that work?
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  The driver's passenger driver module.
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  No, passenger door module.
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  You know, this isn't a live show.
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  I probably should just go
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  back and start over, but I'm not.
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  So we'll talk about that first.
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  And also some interesting information
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  that I gathered from
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  getting a nice fuel pressure
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  gauge and testing my 1998
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  Jeep Cherokee's fuel pressure.
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  That and more coming up in just a minute.
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  [Music]
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  It's where you go when you're not
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  off-road. Hello, this is Kurt aka
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  Weldman from Wisconsin. If you're looking
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  XJTalk. Okay. So I was as I was saying I
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  completely forgot to talk about the
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  passenger door module.
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  The thing that controls the
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  window and the power locks.
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  The window on the passenger side
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  front and the all the power locks
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  including the lock on the
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  hatch. Now there's a
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  switch I guess it would be a
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  a child lockout
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  switch on the driver's door
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  module but the actual controlling
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  of the you know getting power to the
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  the actuators in the door locks
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  for the 1998 Jeep
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  Cherokee that I was working on.
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  All that's controlled from
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  the passenger door module.
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  There's actually two relays there and
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  when I first started looking at it I just
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  assumed
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  one relay was for opening and the other
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  relay was for closing you know sending
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  the
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  lock unlock signal.
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  But as I was replacing
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  some relays, replacing those relays
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  I actually found that
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  they seem to both be used
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  in conjunction to send the opening close
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  signals. In other words
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  you can have one relay on there and it
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  won't lock or unlock the
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  the doors. You have to
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  have both relays on there for
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  for the signal to get propagated to those
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  automatic locks, those lock actuators. So
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  actually that's changed since
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  since last week when I
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  was doing last week's
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  Wednesday show. Oh and actually before we
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  get more into the power
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  of the passenger door module let me make
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  this statement. Last
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  week I mentioned that
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  we probably won't going to be doing the
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  live show anymore at least
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  not right now since we have had a drop
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  off in attendance. I
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  guess maybe Wednesday
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  nights at 8 p.m. Central
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  might be a bad time but
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  in talking about it on the website
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  xjtalk.com we never could find a good
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  time
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  for everybody. So it was
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  just kind of judged to leave it
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  Wednesday 8 p.m. and
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  that is I don't know maybe the show's not
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  interesting to the people
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  that have been listening and they're just
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  not listening anymore.
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  People are still listening to the podcast
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  so I think it's a matter of convenience
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  and timing and maybe even remembering
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  when the show's on. So I'm going to go
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  ahead and make the commitment that I'm
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  going to keep doing the show. I enjoy it.
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  It's fun to talk about this stuff
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  and I'm getting good feedback from the
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  people that are listening. So even if
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  one or two people are listening regularly
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  I'm going to keep doing it.
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  But for the live show I'm not going to do
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  that because there's no sense in me
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  making this thing happen at 8 p.m.
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  Central on Wednesdays whenever I could
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  just record it which was the original
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  idea anyway is just to record it and
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  make it available for people to download
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  and listen whenever they wanted to.
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  You also have added a play button on the
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  xjtalk.com site. It's in the upper
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  right-hand corner. It's just a play
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  button. If you click that it will start
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  playing the latest podcast and it plays
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  it in a pop-up window which you may have
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  to go into your browser and allow the
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  pop-up window to actually come up.
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  But once that pop-up window comes up and
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  xjtalk show starts playing you can
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  continue browsing. You can continue
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  browsing on xjtalk.com or as far as that
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  goes you can browse anywhere you like.
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  That little window will stay up and I
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  have about I guess four or five shows
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  queued up inside that little window.
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  So it'll play the most recent one then
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  after that it'll play
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  the next most recent
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  so on and so forth. So you should have a
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  multi-hour experience there if you
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  actually want to have it. And you can use
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  the controls to skip to a show that you
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  haven't heard before. So anyway that's
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  that and that's why this week's show
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  wasn't available to you on Wednesday,
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  late Wednesday or early Thursday because
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  it's technically Thursday now about 9.14
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  p.m. and that's the nice thing about
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  being able to record the podcast and not
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  have it live because I can do it
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  whenever I have time to do it. And I'm
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  hoping that that will make it a little
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  easier to get people on to interview. If
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  I can work the show to fit
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  then we can you know maybe have some more
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  guests on. I was hoping that we would
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  get Jensen on and we could talk about his
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  most recent race but I think he may
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  have gone offline and send a little
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  message but we'll see maybe he'll pop in.
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  Okay back to the power I'm sorry I keep
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  saying power because it's power locks.
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  The passenger door module it's called a
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  PDM. There's the DDM and the PDM and
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  those are the switches and buttons that
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  allow you to raise and lower the windows
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  and lock and unlock the doors. And I
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  think this is it may be a common thing on
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  more than just the 97 plus Jeep Cherokees
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  but I only have experience now
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  with two types of Cherokees or actually
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  two year model Cherokees and that's the
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  98 and the 99. So that's what I'm going
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  to have to talk to that I have to speak
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  about what I have experience in. So
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  whenever I was whenever I had taken the
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  the when I found out that the relays are
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  actually on the passenger door module I
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  removed the inside of the door panel
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  disconnected the metal lines that run to
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  the manual lock and then unhook the
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  harness from the two connection points
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  electrical connection points on the
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  passenger door module and was actually
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  able to through a little more research I
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  was actually able to find out that you
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  need to pop the little buttons off before
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  you can remove the circuit board
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  and they're on they fit on there very
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  tight and I was really afraid that I was
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  going to break it but reading I saw that
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  that's just how you get them off you put
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  a screwdriver underneath there and you
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  pry them off and they do come off but
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  a very nice piece of engineering they
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  they thought they fit very tightly so
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  anyway once those buttons are off I'm
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  able to get the circuit board out
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  unfortunately the way the unit is
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  designed they have the circuit board
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  soldered directly to the pins that make
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  up the two harness connectors on the
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  back of the passenger door module so the
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  only way to expose the connection
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  points for the relays where they're
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  soldered to the circuit board is to
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  unsolder all those pins so at least I was
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  able to get the part numbers off of
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  the relays after tapping on the relay the
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  relays with the back of a hammer
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  I got the locking working as well as the
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  unlocking so that lasted about a day and
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  it stopped locking again so that led me
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  to believe that it was probably a relay
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  probably a relay that was sticking and
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  not allowing the lock signal to be sent
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  out so anyway I found some relays with
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  the exact part number online for
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  seven dollars and fifty cents a piece and
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  I believe that was a little high but
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  choices they had a twenty five dollar
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  minimum order so I ordered four I could
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  have ordered three but I figured I've got
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  two Jeep Cherokees ninety seven plus
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  Cherokees so if one's gone out the
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  chances are good the other one's gonna
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  go out too so I ordered four of those
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  which wound up being thirty dollars and
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  then six dollars shipping so it was a
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  total of thirty six dollars to get four
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  days and then I guess it was maybe three
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  days after ordering those that they
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  showed up so that evening after I
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  received them that evening I went out
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  removed the door panel removed the
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  circuit board from the enclosure and had
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  thought about it I didn't want to really
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  unsolder those pins to remove the circuit
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  board so I thought well what I will do is
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  I'll use my Dremel tool and a little cut
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  off wheel and I'll cut a rectangular
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  opening in the back of the PDM so that I
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  can get the soldering iron to the
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  contacts of the two relays there's five
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  connection points on each relay so that's
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  what I did it worked out well I was able
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  to cut a good the right size rectangle so
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  that I could get all those pins and I did
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  it in you know the this cut the one thing
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  I didn't have to do it in
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  pieces so I had a nice big
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  correct size fitting rectangular panel to
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  put back in that hole I would just be
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  able to put it back and tape it back in
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  place although I don't think that's any
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  big deal to have it exposed you know the
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  it's 12 volts water shouldn't be getting
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  there even if it does it's 12 volts if
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  it's fresh water it's not gonna do
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  anything anyway etc etc but anyway to
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  make it look a little nice I did it that
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  way so that I could at least put it back
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  and have it look somewhat factory when I
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  was done so I opened up that exposed the
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  back of the circuit board where the
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  relays were and by the way all this is
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  available on xjtalk.com with pictures so
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  you can see exactly what I'm talking
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  about once that area was exposed I heated
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  up the connection points for the the two
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  relays that were you know in there from
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  the factory and I used compressed air to
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  blow the solder away
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  and basically free the
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  pins from from the relay off the circuit
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  board and once I once I had heated all
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  those and it was a fairly quick process
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  once I'd heated all those and got the
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  solder off those connection points I was
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  able to remove both relays without much
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  difficulty at all so then I took two new
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  relays and put them in there and bent the
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  pins over so that it would hold itself on
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  the circuit board and then took some some
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  solder in the soldering iron and and
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  heated the the board and the pin and
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  then I got a good non cold solder joint
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  connection and put it back in the the
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  door and tested it and it worked locked
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  and unlocked so that seems to have solved
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  the problem however I was I was trying to
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  lock the doors today and it wouldn't lock
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  so I was a little puzzled by that I
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  thought about the the alarm system I have
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  on the Jeep and thinking that maybe it
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  was trying to do something seeing a
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  sending a pulse out at the
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  time and I waited a little bit
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  and tried again it still didn't work so I
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  just hit on the side of the door where
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  the the PDM is just give it a nice little
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  shot not not really very hard just kind
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  of give it a bump and tried it and it was
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  working so there there may be a bad
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  connection in there that I missed I don't
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  know how because it was I know how to
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  solder things so I'm not exactly sure
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  where that where that problem may
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  be but it's not a hundred percent yet I
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  mean that's it's one failure after two
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  days of it working without any issues so
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  well I just have to continue to see
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  continue to use it and see what happens
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  but at this point it looks like it's
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  certainly it was a hundred percent
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  failure before and now it's you know
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  running it in 98% I guess so it's a it's
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  a vast improvement over where it was you
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  don't you don't realize how big
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  a pain in the butt it is when you can't
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  lock the doors until you have to manually
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  lock four doors and then put the key in
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  the hatch and lock it and if I didn't
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  have an alarm system on the Jeep that I
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  had to you know press the disable the
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  alarm it probably wouldn't be that big a
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  deal but because I have that and I wasn't
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  able to find in the the setup of the
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  alarm where you could disable the
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  automatic unlocking of the doors I had to
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  go through the manual locking process so
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  I was I was needless to say I was a bit
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  motivated to get that that problem
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  resolved and and so far I'm pretty happy
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  with the results so that's the the PDM
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  passenger door module and again not only
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  is the passenger window control and the
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  power locks control on
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  that that circuit board
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  it also has the main relays that power
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  all the locks in the Jeep so you know you
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  might think it's over on the other side
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  that they put it on the passenger door
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  side I think probably because they didn't
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  have space on the driver's door module
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  since it has all the switches for all the
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  windows a child lockout for the locks etc
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  etc and I did find that
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  the but the DDM on the 1999
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  is to have a problem with the child
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  lockout button so I'll be having to take
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  that one apart and hopefully does clean
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  that that switch because none of the
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  switches that control the the locks or
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  the windows work in the 99 with the
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  exception of the driver's door module so
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  it's like all the locks have been locked
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  out and I think it's probably this that
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  that child lockout button is even though
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  you disable you know you
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  can't unpress it it still is still thinks
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  it's engaged so another thing that I've
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  been been wanting to try to figure out is
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  why my 98 Cherokee is requiring multiple
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  start attempts and it doesn't seem to it
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  seems to have gotten worse over time and
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  I remember not too long ago it would I
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  mean you'd barely even have to bump the
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  starter and it would start right up so I
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  had been asked you know
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  did you can you hear the fuel
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  pump running and have you tried the
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  turning the key on to the on position and
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  start to the run position and then off on
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  off three times and then trying to start
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  it which which I have I've read about
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  that and I did try that and then several
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  people were telling me well you need to
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  get your fuel pressure pressure gauge and
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  put it on there and see what your fuel
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  pressure is I said well ain't got one I
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  don't want to spend 30 bucks to buy one
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  when I could use that $30 to buy a sensor
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  that I need to fix the problem
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  well you know as as life is always say
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  life is a great teacher and I think I've
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  replaced every sensor on the engine now
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  with the exception of well technically
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  the ECM is in a sensor but I believe I've
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  replaced all the sensors now so I finally
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  decided to buy a fuel pressure gauge
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  which came in today got it from Amazon
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  which came in today and I probably went
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  outside hooked it up and
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  turned the key to the on position went
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  over and looked at the gauge and it said
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  zero zero PSI looking a little closer it
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  wasn't really zero but it might have been
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  like five or or less pounds and and I was
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  wondering it did I just misunderstand how
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  this thing works because I sure was
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  thinking that it you know once you turn
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  the key on the fuel pump comes on and it
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  pressures up to what is it 45 pounds 45
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  PSI so I thought well that's strange let
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  me maybe there's a problem with the gauge
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  let me try starting the engine so I
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  started it up and you know it's one of
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  those deals where you have to go back and
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  forth between where you start the engine
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  and where you look at the gauge because
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  the gauge is only the hose on it does you
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  know two feet long of fat and you can't
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  see it with the hood up
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  so I started the engine
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  walk back around and looked and you know
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  it's running like three nine and a half
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  PSI and that was the other reason why I
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  really didn't think there was a fuel
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  pressure problem was because the Jeep
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  runs and and it has plenty of power and
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  get up and go and it doesn't seem to be
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  starved for fuel so I went and said well
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  you know the gauge is working because 45
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  PSI is what is it what I was expecting
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  and I'm getting nearly 50 so okay cool so
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  I went and turned the engine
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  off came back and looked and
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  and yeah there was still pressure but it
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  was boy it was just dropping really fast
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  and pretty soon I mean within five or ten
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  seconds it was down below 10 PSI and then
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  it then it just kind of sat there like
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  around eight PSI I guess so I thought
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  well you know maybe I misunderstood how
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  could this thing be running and and not
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  have a problem getting fuel if there's
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  you know if it's not passing the basic
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  test that I thought it was
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  supposed to be which is I thought that
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  the leak down test is supposed to be you
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  can be supposed to be stay 40 PSI or
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  better for four minutes not seconds I
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  mean I was sure I wasn't seeing the full
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  PSI of the engine off because it was
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  dropping so fast I mean you literally
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  could see the move the needle moving very
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  quickly so I thought I came in I posted
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  some pictures of the up on xray talk of
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  the readings I had on the gauge and
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  I said on my post about engine start from
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  one crank to two cranks sometimes three
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  cranks so and then I thought about what I
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  was doing and I said well that's strange
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  I do have a copy of the field service
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  manual electronically on my computer so I
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  pulled that up and I was looking at the
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  diagnostic procedure and it says 49 49
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  and a half I think PSI is normal plus or
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  minus five PSI and I certainly was within
• 22:05
  that range with the engine running so I
• 22:09
  thought well let me dig some more maybe I
• 22:11
  didn't understand how this thing is
• 22:12
  supposed to work so I dug some more and
• 22:14
  yeah sure enough the pressure should stay
• 22:16
  up it shouldn't drop like that so reading
• 22:20
  or is one of the things that could be as
• 22:21
  a leaky injector not not allowing the
• 22:24
  pressure to be held and I guess it could
• 22:27
  be a leaky injector but but these are are
• 22:30
  not the original injectors they are
• 22:33
  forward injectors and I
• 22:35
  think they I was told and they'd
• 22:37
  certainly looked at looked like they had
• 22:41
  19 miles on them came out of a Ford
• 22:43
  Mustang and I think they had either ship
• 22:47
  had had taken the taking them out and
• 22:50
  replace them with some higher performance
• 22:52
  injectors and then I got these off of
• 22:55
  eBay so you know I'm still in the
• 22:57
  diagnostic mode so I guess it always
• 22:59
  could be a leaky injector but but I was
• 23:02
  having the same hard
• 23:03
  start problem before I
• 23:05
  changed the injectors so I don't think
• 23:07
  it's an injector I don't think so I guess
• 23:10
  it could be but I don't think so so
• 23:12
  continuing to look and dig and getting
• 23:14
  some feedback from members on xjtalk.com
• 23:18
  I'm thinking well maybe it's the pressure
• 23:21
  regulator it doesn't seem to be the pump
• 23:24
  but it may be the pressure regulator so I
• 23:26
  looked and I see pressure regulators run
• 23:28
  anywhere from 70 to 100 dollars and on
• 23:32
  the 97 plus at least on the 98
• 23:35
  the pressure regulator is located on top
• 23:37
  of the gas tank so I'm dropping the gas
• 23:40
  tank to change that regulator at least
• 23:43
  now the problem the quandary that I'm in
• 23:46
  is you know should I spend a hundred
• 23:49
  dollars on a pressure regulator drop the
• 23:52
  tank put on the pressure regulator and
• 23:55
  then you know run the test again and see
• 23:57
  if that fixes it or should I just get a
• 24:00
  whole pump assembly which includes the
• 24:04
  pressure regulator a new fuel
• 24:05
  filter not well actually that's that's
• 24:07
  part of the regulator is a filter but the
• 24:10
  the screen yeah that's what I was trying
• 24:11
  to say the screen a float a new pump the
• 24:13
  whole nine yards and I think on that was
• 24:19
  it I want to say round rock but on a on a
• 24:21
  parts website but I don't have up now it
• 24:26
  the Carter brand is two hundred and five
• 24:28
  dollars so for basically double the price
• 24:32
  of the the fuel regulator
• 24:35
  filter I can get a whole thing and I'm
• 24:38
  kind of leaning that way even though it's
• 24:40
  two hundred dollars simply because I have
• 24:43
  to drop the tank and if I'm going to go
• 24:45
  to the trouble of taking the tank skin
• 24:47
  plate off taking the straps off dropping
• 24:50
  the tank blah blah blah blah blah might
• 24:54
  as well just do the whole thing now I'm
• 24:57
  hopeful I'm hopeful I mean certainly this
• 25:01
  has something to do with the
• 25:02
  fuel system being that it's the
• 25:05
  the way you get fuel out of the tank to
• 25:07
  the engine I'm hopeful that this repair
• 25:12
  may improve my gas mileage because I've
• 25:17
  been fighting a gas mileage problem for
• 25:19
  several years now and has been one of the
• 25:21
  main reasons if not the main reason for
• 25:24
  changing out the sensors both oh two
• 25:27
  sensors the IAC the MAF the the TPA
• 25:35
  the CPS I think well I changed the CPS
• 25:40
  for another reason and had some problems
• 25:44
  put the original one back and got rid of
• 25:46
  the problems so technically even though I
• 25:49
  have changed that sensor it's it's back
• 25:52
  with the original one and I do need to
• 25:53
  get a replacement I think I will be
• 25:56
  getting that one from the Chrysler
• 25:58
  dealership though because I don't know
• 25:59
  the CPS is just so critical but yeah but
• 26:03
  anyway all the sensors
• 26:04
  I've got the TEMP sensor the IAC the IAH
• 26:10
  is that right H the basically the intake
• 26:13
  temperature sensor yeah I mean unless
• 26:18
  there's a hidden sensor someplace I'm not
• 26:19
  aware of I've changed it I've either
• 26:22
  changed it put it back or or it's it's
• 26:25
  got a new one in there so unless there's
• 26:27
  a problem with the the
• 26:29
  onboard computer the ECM
• 26:33
  you know I I'm at a loss of why I'm
• 26:36
  getting twelve and a half miles to the
• 26:39
  gallon other than you know the thing that
• 26:43
  I thought when I first lifted and put the
• 26:45
  larger tires on this is what you what you
• 26:47
  what happens whenever you play with the
• 26:50
  big boys whenever you do the lift and do
• 26:53
  the tires and everything else you're
• 26:55
  gonna know your gas mileage is gonna
• 26:56
  suffer until I started hearing people
• 26:59
  talk about their gas mileage on their
• 27:01
  lifted rigs and yeah I know people can
• 27:03
  can lie they can exaggerate but I don't
• 27:06
  think so I think these people are
• 27:08
  actually getting I'd be pretty happy with
• 27:10
  16 city yeah the total half is a city not
• 27:14
  highway so anyway obviously I've got a
• 27:18
  problem since it will the since the
• 27:21
  pressure will not hold it drops very
• 27:23
  quickly and actually I think I was going
• 27:26
  this direction while ago and I didn't
• 27:28
  finish my thought after
• 27:30
  I had read a bit I went
• 27:31
  back out into the garage hooked up the
• 27:34
  the fuel pressure gauge again and did the
• 27:37
  the three ignition key on off thing to
• 27:41
  see why I wouldn't bother doing that
• 27:45
  wasn't getting the pressure up so running
• 27:48
  back and forth again from the inside of
• 27:51
  the vehicle around to the front where I
• 27:54
  could see the the gauge I could see that
• 27:57
  you know yeah the fuel pressure was going
• 27:59
  up and it was up past
• 28:01
  40 PSI and dropping quickly by the time I
• 28:05
  got around to to see the gauge so it's
• 28:08
  pretty clear to me at that point that
• 28:10
  what was going on is is that the fuel
• 28:12
  pressure has been dropping so fast once
• 28:15
  the the engine isn't running that I just
• 28:19
  wasn't starting it quick enough so I
• 28:22
  tried the you know doing the key cycle on
• 28:25
  and off about a second between each cycle
• 28:28
  and then right after that third cycle I
• 28:30
  tried starting it and
• 28:31
  it started right up and that's because
• 28:33
  the fuel pressure was up around 40 PSI or
• 28:36
  better so I'll do that in the morning and
• 28:38
  then I'll feel once it's sat overnight
• 28:40
  then I'll feel a lot more confident that
• 28:43
  the the ignition key three three on off
• 28:47
  cycle thing does get the fuel pressure up
• 28:49
  and and that will solve the issue as far
• 28:51
  as starting on the first attempt and then
• 28:54
  I've got to you know see about getting
• 28:56
  the well I've got to decide if I'm gonna
• 28:59
  get the fuel pressure regulator
• 29:01
  or if I'm gonna get the the whole pump
• 29:06
  assembly and yeah I'm leaning towards the
• 29:09
  whole assembly because I think that it
• 29:12
  would be silly to go through the work of
• 29:14
  dropping that tank and then not not just
• 29:17
  put in a whole new thing the one thing is
• 29:19
  kind of scary when I first started
• 29:21
  pricing those the fuel pump assembly it
• 29:24
  is about $419 for a Chrysler part now
• 29:30
  that's not from the dealership
• 29:31
  it's just something I saw online because
• 29:32
  I was looking up a Chrysler part number
• 29:36
  and $419 I also read while doing the
• 29:42
  research that the fuel filter which is
• 29:46
  part of the fuel pressure regulator is
• 29:49
  supposed to be changed at I think the guy
• 29:52
  said 52,000 miles and I'm just over
• 29:56
  170,000 so and I
• 29:59
  probably started seeing a
• 30:01
  problem with the gas mileage noticing it
• 30:06
  around a hundred thousand hundred and ten
• 30:08
  thousand miles on the odometer so I don't
• 30:11
  know I wasn't measuring the I wasn't
• 30:14
  really measuring the fuel the MPG at that
• 30:18
  time I really didn't do that until after
• 30:21
  I had lifted lifted the the Jeep the
• 30:24
  suspension left and then put on the
• 30:28
  larger tires and wheels and
• 30:29
  of course gas was getting up
• 30:30
  towards the $4 a gallon at the time so I
• 30:33
  was motivated not only to monitor it but
• 30:36
  to do something about it and over the
• 30:38
  three years let's say July of this month
• 30:41
  would be three years that I've been
• 30:42
  collecting field information or miles per
• 30:47
  gallon information the only thing that
• 30:50
  has made a drastic change in the mile per
• 30:53
  gallon was going from the three dot five
• 30:58
  five years to the four dot five six years
• 31:01
  and that made about a two mile per gallon
• 31:05
  increase in gas mileage I don't think it
• 31:08
  helps out much on the on the freeway at
• 31:10
  least not with the 32 inch tires but it
• 31:13
  certainly helped the city gas mileage the
• 31:16
  stop and go because it seems to be easier
• 31:18
  now for the engine to get the Jeep moving
• 31:22
  getting up to speed so we'll see and yes
• 31:26
  if you're wondering if the speedometer
• 31:28
  has been corrected yes it has been and
• 31:30
  it always always has been while I've been
• 31:33
  measuring the gas mileage because before
• 31:37
  I got the when I went to the 32 inch
• 31:39
  tires I had the right gear to go in the
• 31:41
  transfer case so it takes about 10
• 31:44
  minutes if that to change out that gear
• 31:46
  so once I once I had the 32 inch tires on
• 31:50
  there I had the the right gear in and it
• 31:52
  was measuring the speedometer GPS
• 31:55
  verified and then when I went to the four
• 31:57
  fifty six gears I got the the little gear
• 32:01
  that goes with the 32 inch tires in the
• 32:03
  four fifty six gears so speedometers
• 32:05
  right way back when when I had my 1983
• 32:09
  Ford Chevy four-wheel-drive I hated not
• 32:15
  having the speedometer read correctly
• 32:17
  hated it and that was well before the
• 32:21
  internet so research was done
• 32:24
  word-of-mouth and four-wheel-drive
• 32:26
  magazines and I happened to find a ad
• 32:30
  in the back of a four-wheel-drive
• 32:31
  magazine where they would build you a I
• 32:35
  don't know your reduction whatever
• 32:38
  something that you would take the cable
• 32:41
  that actually spun that went up to the
• 32:43
  speedometer basically built put you a
• 32:47
  built you an adapter that went between
• 32:48
  the transmission and that cable and then
• 32:50
  it would turn the cable the right number
• 32:53
  of revolutions to give you the correct
• 32:55
  speed on your speedometer I think I spent
• 32:57
  thirty bucks on that thing but it was
• 32:59
  very nice being able to tell the correct
• 33:00
  speed and boy it's just so much easier
• 33:05
  with the Jeep than it was with that thing
• 33:06
  and and I've read the Jeep may do it too
• 33:10
  I don't know but some are simply
• 33:13
  corrected by going into the OBD to port
• 33:15
  and setting it I don't know I've never
• 33:19
  never seen a way to do that on the Jeep
• 33:21
  but then again I haven't experienced at
• 33:23
  all so anyway I'm hopeful but I've been
• 33:27
  disappointed many many many many many
• 33:28
  times before I'm hopeful
• 33:30
  that perhaps getting this fuel system
• 33:34
  fuel delivery problem resolved may have a
• 33:38
  positive impact on my miles per gallon we
• 33:42
  shall see so it looks like Jensen is
• 33:44
  still offline or at least he's away so
• 33:47
  I'm not very hopeful for a phone
• 33:49
  interview but I kind of since I didn't do
• 33:53
  this the show Wednesday night I thought I
• 33:54
  better get on the stick and get it done
• 33:57
  this evening I've been playing around
• 33:59
  with my fuel pressure gauge
• 34:01
  also ordered a compression gauge
• 34:04
  compression tester gauge and I am
• 34:08
  planning on doing the compression check
• 34:11
  on the 4.0 in my 98 however the real
• 34:14
  reason for that compression gauge is so
• 34:16
  that I can work on my wife's 96 Ford
• 34:20
  Mustang that has either a blown intake
• 34:23
  gasket or more than likely a blown head
• 34:25
  gasket hopefully not a cracked head so
• 34:29
  I'll be using that compression
• 34:30
  test to see if I can find find out which
• 34:33
  head it is because I'm going to try to do
• 34:35
  the minimal amount of work necessary to
• 34:39
  get the Mustang going again and you know
• 34:42
  it may wind up that I fix this problem
• 34:46
  and then the head on the other side has a
• 34:48
  problem I'll just have to cross that
• 34:50
  bridge when it comes to it because right
• 34:52
  now I have the 99 Jeep Cherokee running
• 34:57
  and going so that my wife can drive it
• 35:00
  oh and yeah that changed we got a nice
• 35:03
  set of BF Goodrich all-terrain 30 inch
• 35:10
  it's 30 by 9.5 by 15 inch tires and I was
• 35:15
  also able to pick up a nice set of
• 35:18
  grizzly wheels Jeep grizzly wheels they
• 35:21
  look a lot like the ecos to me and that
• 35:23
  was from what is it Cubs Cubs in 2019 and
• 35:30
  XJ talk member thank you very much those
• 35:32
  things look great they look great with
• 35:34
  those tires and you know driving that 99
• 35:38
  is just so nice it doesn't buck it
• 35:45
  doesn't it's really smooth it's not loud
• 35:50
  it doesn't vibrate so it's it's kind of
• 35:55
  it kind of spoils me because the only
• 35:58
  thing I don't like about it is it
• 35:59
  sits so low but it doesn't run hot on the
• 36:03
  highway and it's very nice it's a very
• 36:08
  nice vehicle I'm very happy with it at
• 36:11
  this point the bubbling that I was having
• 36:14
  in the radiator I do not see so it's it's
• 36:17
  quite possible although I had not seen
• 36:20
  this problem on the 98 it's quite
• 36:22
  possible that I was I just had some
• 36:25
  trapped air in the the coolant system
• 36:27
  after losing that
• 36:28
  that lower radiator hose
• 36:30
  and my wife has been driving it out to
• 36:33
  the mall to drop off the girls and then
• 36:36
  drive them back out there to get them and
• 36:39
  I was telling her that's 20 miles both
• 36:41
  ways it's 10 miles out there and 10 miles
• 36:44
  back so and she's been watching the the
• 36:47
  temp the coolant gauge and it'll get up
• 36:51
  it'll go up past 210 occasionally but it
• 36:53
  doesn't overheat and if she gets out on
• 36:56
  the highway it drops
• 36:57
  down well below 210 and
• 37:00
  the like I said the bubbling has gone the
• 37:02
  reservoir is the overflow reservoir is at
• 37:05
  the right level so I'm just not seeing an
• 37:08
  issue this weekend I'm gonna go ahead and
• 37:10
  change out the upper upper radiator hose
• 37:13
  on it just so we don't have a repeat of a
• 37:17
  hose blowing now the lower radiator hose
• 37:20
  I believe has a lot more pressure on it
• 37:22
  from the from the water pump so I don't
• 37:24
  think that the upper hose is as likely to
• 37:27
  blow but since it's my wife
• 37:29
  you know vehicle I don't really want to
• 37:33
  risk it if it something happens then that
• 37:36
  means I've got to get to her and then
• 37:38
  I've got to work on it someplace that's
• 37:40
  not going to be as convenient and it's
• 37:41
  certainly going to be a lot hotter
• 37:43
  wherever the engine and engine base
• 37:45
  certainly going to a lot hotter me
• 37:47
  working on the other side of the roads in
• 37:48
  place so it's just best to go and change
• 37:51
  the hoses in fact I should have done that
• 37:53
  the day I bought it and got it home
• 37:56
  because you don't know
• 37:58
  how old those hoses are
• 38:00
  I mean the factory clamps were still
• 38:02
  being used on the thing so that should
• 38:05
  have been a very good clue to me that
• 38:07
  perhaps they weren't changed or if they
• 38:09
  were changed it could have been done
• 38:11
  under maintenance which means a Chrysler
• 38:14
  certified engineer would have changed
• 38:15
  them and he would have reused those
• 38:17
  clamps or maybe even used some new clamps
• 38:21
  but it's still the same factory style but
• 38:25
  nonetheless it doesn't cost that much I
• 38:28
  think the lower radiator hose
• 38:29
  was like 17 bucks or something so not a
• 38:33
  big deal and it would have taken away a
• 38:37
  lot of grief and time that I spent going
• 38:42
  through and working on if I had just done
• 38:44
  that so let that be a lesson to you and
• 38:47
  if you get a Jeep with 100 plus thousand
• 38:51
  miles on it don't assume the radiator
• 38:54
  hoses are good even if you drive it a
• 38:57
  long ways and you don't
• 38:57
  have a problem in fact that's
• 38:59
  probably what weakened the hose was me
• 39:01
  driving out 70 miles to a friend of
• 39:04
  mine's little shop that he has out in the
• 39:07
  woods and driving it back 70 miles at 80
• 39:11
  plus miles an hour on the freeways and
• 39:14
  then turned it over to my wife very happy
• 39:17
  that the air conditioning had been fixed
• 39:19
  and it drove so nicely very confident
• 39:22
  that she would do very well and be very
• 39:25
  happy with it able to drive
• 39:29
  to a party that her and the girls were
• 39:33
  going to or needed to go to and then it
• 39:37
  failed on the way back and it was the
• 39:39
  lower radiator hose and a loose it seems
• 39:41
  to be a loose belt caused the issue with
• 39:44
  the alternator because we haven't had any
• 39:46
  other alternator issues with it dropping
• 39:48
  down to the 9 volts since I was able to
• 39:52
  tighten the belt which is another thing I
• 39:54
  need to replace I'm not sure if I'm going
• 39:56
  to be replacing that
• 39:56
  belt this weekend or not.
• 39:58
  So we're going to do things a little
• 40:00
  differently as I was mentioning at the
• 40:01
  top of the show we're not going to do the
• 40:04
  live show although somebody did mention
• 40:06
  doing the live show maybe
• 40:07
  once a month or once a quarter.
• 40:09
  I like that idea there's nothing wrong
• 40:11
  with with a live show in fact I thought
• 40:14
  it would be a lot of fun because people
• 40:15
  could interact with me and the guests via
• 40:19
  the chat room I know on some of the
• 40:22
  Ustream shows that I
• 40:23
  have watched and enjoyed.
• 40:26
  That dimension of being able to interact
• 40:30
  with the person doing the show was a lot
• 40:32
  of fun and for whatever reason that
• 40:36
  didn't seem to be working out here and it
• 40:38
  may just be that I need to build a bigger
• 40:40
  audience before we do the live show I
• 40:43
  might have just tried to
• 40:44
  bite off too much at one go.
• 40:47
  I think it worked pretty good to start
• 40:48
  with I mean we were having 20 30 people
• 40:51
  listening to shows to start with but
• 40:54
  we're going to try a little different so
• 40:56
  still going to be doing the podcast
• 40:58
  should still get a show once a week and
• 41:02
  it may or may not be on Wednesday that's
• 41:05
  kind of up in the air like for this show
• 41:08
  for example it's Thursday maybe on a
• 41:11
  Friday maybe coming out on the weekend
• 41:13
  I'll try to make it.
• 41:15
  Where you can count on the specific day
• 41:19
  of the week so you want to wonder and of
• 41:21
  course you can check XJ talk.com and just
• 41:25
  look up there for announcements as to
• 41:26
  when the show is going to be or any time
• 41:29
  changes and so on and so forth.
• 41:31
  But I really appreciate you listening and
• 41:33
  I hope you continue to listen and hope
• 41:35
  you will tell some people to listen.
• 41:39
  Let's build a little audience let's get a
• 41:40
  little more going on I feel a little
• 41:43
  awkward about asking people to be guests
• 41:46
  whenever there is only 20 25 people
• 41:50
  subscribe to the podcast now.
• 41:53
  I don't know I hear people say you know
• 41:56
  25 people that's that's a lot more than
• 41:57
  two so be happy with that and it just may
• 42:02
  be a learning curve from on my part as
• 42:04
  far as how many people.
• 42:05
  I should expect to be listening to the
• 42:07
  show I'm just frankly a little surprised
• 42:10
  there's not more people listening not
• 42:12
  that I'm all that entertaining but.
• 42:15
  There's not any competition you know
• 42:17
  podcast about a jeep Cherokee and maybe
• 42:19
  hit maybe the subject matters just to
• 42:21
  obscure anyway like I said learning curve
• 42:24
  and hopefully I'll learn to.
• 42:25
  To improve upon things but anyway like I
• 42:27
  said we're operating a little differently
• 42:28
  since we are not going to have the live
• 42:31
  show and the chat room
• 42:32
  where you can ask questions.
• 42:34
  That even gives more emphasis on our call
• 42:37
  online so we still got it it's 24 by 7
• 42:41
  it's voicemail all you have to do and and
• 42:45
  I think it'd be a lot of
• 42:46
  fun not only to have you.
• 42:48
  You know your voice played on the show
• 42:50
  your question your comment feedback
• 42:53
  whatever I think it'd be
• 42:54
  interesting to other people.
• 42:56
  So take the time to call our feedback
• 43:02
  line and ask your question make your
• 43:04
  comment whatever you'd like to do and
• 43:06
  we'll play it on the show that number is
• 43:08
  5 3 0 6 7 5 4 1 0 2 5 3 0 6 7 5 4 1 0 2.
• 43:17
  And again it's a voicemail line nobody's
• 43:19
  going to answer you don't have to worry
• 43:21
  about saying something
• 43:23
  wrong or waking somebody up.
• 43:25
  Just leave your message if you mess it up
• 43:28
  and you want don't want that one to say
• 43:30
  hey I messed it up I'll call back call
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  back and try it again
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  and I'll put the best one.
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  That you that you did on there on the air
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  and there's no guarantee that I'll use it
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  but right now with so few to use I'll be
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  happy to put them all on get on as many
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  as I can and of course if we
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  can't play more here on the.
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  On this week show then we'll move into
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  the next week hopefully we can build an
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  audience and we can all have fun with
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  this and learn and I'm hoping that my
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  experiences with my cheap Cherokees are
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  helping you already.
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  I know that I've heard feedback from
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  several people on the XJ talk.com site
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  that we've saved them a bunch of money
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  and I really really like hearing that
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  because that was one of my goals to make
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  a very useful website where people could
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  get on and share information and help
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  each other out and boy saving money that
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  makes a huge difference
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  especially in today's economy.
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  So please call the voice voicemail
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  feedback line and don't forget we're on
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  get on there and register it's free.
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  I mean what's better than that free
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  information and saves you money if you're
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  a a Jeep vendor or you want to be and
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  you've looked at some of the prices
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  advertising prices on the other sites you
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  can be a vendor and advertise on XJ
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  talk.com for as little as five dollars a
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  month that's five one two three four five
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  five dollars a month and that's a price
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  that anybody can afford.
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  And we did that on purpose because we
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  don't want to keep the little guy who has
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  the next great product for Jeep Cherokee
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  we don't want to keep
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  that hidden under a bush.
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  We want to be able to get that to get the
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  word out so you know consider consider it
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  we we were hitting a hundred thousand
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  and that's dropped down.
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  I don't know if it's because of
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  summertime or what but we had gone up
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  above one hundred thousand and now we're
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  back down to around seventy nine thousand
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  page impressions a month.
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  So that's still a lot.
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  So the price performance the five dollars
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  a month for eighty thousand page
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  impressions a month.
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  That's a that's a pretty good deal.
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  So again thank you for listening.
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  Hope you're enjoying the podcast.
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  Sorry that we're not having the live show
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  but I think it'll be back with your help
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  and continued support and with your calls
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  to the feedback line.
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  I think it'll get people involved and
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  that's what's important.
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  That's what's
• 46:24
  important on this whole thing.
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  Get involved.
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  Post on the site.
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  It doesn't matter what the question is.
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  No matter how simple or dumb you think it
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  is somebody else has that same question.
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  I know you hear this stuff from from
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  school and teachers
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  but it really is true.
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  That's kind of the nice
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  thing about me running the site.
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  I can ask the dumb questions and only a
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  few people will call me stupid and
• 46:51
  usually they do that to my face.
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  OK guys thanks a lot and
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  we'll see you next week.
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  This has been episode 32 of the Jeep
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  Cherokee X-ray talk.com show.
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  Everybody have a good day.