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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 10) (6/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the unnamed CEO slash Captain
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  of Securities at MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question, Now,
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  if redacted told Officer redacted and redacted and Joiner that
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  inmate Reyis wasn't going wab and that Epstein would need
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  to be assigned to cellmate upon arrival from his attorney visit,
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  Reyes has to communicate where who dropped the ball and
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  at that at what point? Answer? Okay, I mean for
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  the sake of time. That we talked about before, is
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  that means they would notify me that he needed a
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  cell mate. They knew, they knew the expectation. So that
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  means if you know that at one point fifty he
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  wasn't coming back, that means you should have got on
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  the phone and contacted the operations lieutenant. Question and we
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  discussed this, and this is where we talked about if
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  they did do that, they let redacted know redacted to
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  the one who dropped the ball. Answer yeah, question, the
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  next people that would have done it would have been
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  at the four PM the ten pm type of count
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  they should have then notified the operations lieutenant at the
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  same time. Correct, All right, And what you're saying though,
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  is I think what you said is during the morning
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  shift with zero dark hundred to eight am or I
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  think it was eight am? Right? Answer, Yes, sir, question
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  it's eight am. They wouldn't have known answer. They wouldn't
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  have known question, right because they because if the counts
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  weren't done at four and at ten, they would wouldn't
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  have necessarily known answer. They wouldn't necessarily know question. But
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  what about like if they had a conversation at like
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  twelve am with the obsos lieutenant about the fact that
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  the counts are off redo or was it ten pm?
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  The midnight one was the one where the count is
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  he gets cut off by the guard if you look
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  at yeah, the count So if you go eight nine,
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  we're going eight ten now and she worked ten pm
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  and she worked from four pm. Three answer, so she
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  wasn't indiscernible. So this is it right here? So we're
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  talking about eight ten twenty nineteen, that's going to be
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  So this E one was generated at three five, one
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  seven hours. Question on August tenth. Answer on August tenth,
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  and this shows that there are seventy two inmates in
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  the shoe. Question can you look at the counts for
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  the day? It's the very last page or it could
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  be second to last. So I'm assuming you're looking for ZA,
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  and then if you could just circle ZA so we
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  know what we're looking at. Question what is the count
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  on that? Answer? It appears it says the count on
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  that day is seventy three. Question and that cleared count
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  was seventy two? Correct answer? That is correct. Question. Do
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  you want to follow up another question from a different
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  guard if there was a mistake with the count and
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  the lieutenant caught onto the mistake, what was he gets
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  cut off by the other guard and the quota was
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  the protocol? Answer? Yeah, all right, this is what happened.
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  So if I'm officers, I count, I count the unit
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  and they say seventy three, the control center would have
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  been like, no, bad count. They're not going to tell
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  you what you counted. They're going to make you count again.
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  So the procedure is once that bad count has been
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  made notified, the control center notifies the lieutenant, and the
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  lieutenant supposed to go up to the unit to observe
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  the count. Question, all right, so the oppso lieutenant in
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  this case should have gone went to the shoe to
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  observe the count. So if there's a bad count, that's
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  the protocol. Answer, that's right, that's the policy, So you
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  go upstairs. Well, I'm sorry, that's the expectation question. So
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  expectation non policy answer. I'm not going to sit up
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  here in quot policy when I don't know a verbatim question.
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  Absolutely answer, But I will tell you the expectation is
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  that the supervisor Correctional Services, a lieutenant on an announcement
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  of a bad count will go to the area of
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  the count and will observe the said count. Question. What
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  if the supervisor claims when they called in the count
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  and said seventy three, they said, hey, we're calling in
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  seventy three, but we know we're off by one. Does
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  that make any sense? Answer? That doesn't. That means the
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  institution count is going to be bad, which that is
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  the worst thing that you can have happen. Besides the inmate.
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  It's three things. An inmate died, your count being off,
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  or an inmate escaping. Those are the big things right there.
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  If your ac count is bad, because that's what we
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  get paid to do. Where the masters of count, that's
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  what we do. Accountability of inmates in a correctional setting,
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  that's what you do. That's what you're paid for. So
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  you call me as a lieutenant and you tell me, hey, lt.
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  We keep counting the U and the unit and the
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  count's bad. So the next thing I'm going to tell
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  you give me some staff up there. I want to
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  stand up bedbook. So then I'm going to identify each
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  inmate by their face, their cell assignment to get the count. Question.
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  So what if they say we're off by one, but
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  we know where that one is, that one's over here,
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  and then the lieutenant responds, all right, I'm going to
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  verify where that one staff is. You redo the count?
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  Would that make sense? Answer? No, what I'm telling you
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  is when it was supposed to have been done. Question.
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  So even if they said, like, hey, we wrote down
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  seventy three, but that so let's say Thomas, who's not
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  a typical shoe guy, he's the one that calls this in.
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  He says, I wrote down seventy three on the count slip,
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  but that's because one of our guys that we're accounting
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  for is let's say R and D, and then the
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  lieutenant then says, I'm going to verify that that person
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  is there. You reconduct the count and create a new count.
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  Slip answer, Okay, so it was one RA I believe
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  that's R and D. RA I believe is R and D? Right? No,
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  so R and D there was nobody in R and D.
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  There's no one in R and D. So the policy
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  is lieutenant is on there. So the policy is lieutenant
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  is on there. I'm going to watch you do it.
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  And so that's the second count. The third count is
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  the standing bad book count that I use the bad
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  book cards and I go sell by sell and I
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  make the inmates say their name and number, and I
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  physically identify them by their face. If that don't work,
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  all this stuff is supposed to be annotated in the log.
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  The bad count one, bad count two, shoe reports, bad
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  count three, bad book count was identified. The next thing
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  would have been was to go back through the prior
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  accounts to see if the movement of who was in
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  or out Because if your count cleared here at ten,
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  you only had one out of the unit, which was
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  Epstein when he came back. That means your account should
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  have went from if it was seventy two here, that's
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  telling me that it must have been seventy one at boom,
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  So it was seventy six. It was seventy six, then
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  the ten PM count, the nine thirty count, it was
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  seventy three. So where did those inmates go? Where did
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  those inmates go? So somebody was in there messing around
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  with numbers in order for the count to clear. Question,
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  in order to find out where they went? Is it
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  we have to go into truscope? Is that where we
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  could find out? Answer? You would go into true most
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  century is supposed to be full proof, allproof, but it's
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  only as good as the people that put the information
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  in there. Question and are the Shoe people that are
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  putting the information in? Is it the control center answer?
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  So this is what happens in theory you've got when
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  inmates come back from court and they do the transfer
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  order and it goes down to control R and D
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  is supposed to update those inmates coming back in Control
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  center gets the transfer order and verifying anytime an internal
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  movement is done inside of a unit like Shoe, the
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  OIC is supposed to do it. If a case manager
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  and unit manager or a counselor moves the inmate on
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  the unit. Guess what they're supposed to make that centry indiscernible, pp.
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  Thirty four, Transaction in century to make the appropriate move. Question, So,
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  looking at these, do you believe that they're all bad? Answer?
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  They're all bad? Question all of them? Answer they're all bad,
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  all bogus. All right, so four pm through gets cut
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  off by the guard the control center, R and D.
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  It's bad. Now, the other investigator jumps in, just a
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  clarifying question, can a person do account Let's just say
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  that someone is in a different unit. Can they say, oh,
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  I know the person is out of the unit and
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  I'm going to count them as part of the unit
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  and just give the account number. Are they allowed to
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  do that? Do they have to physically have to get
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  eyes on them? Answer? No, question, So it's only who
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  the amount of inmates that are in the unit at
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  that time? Answer correct question. All right, let's keep going
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  on this. Thank you for that. That's hugely helpful. So
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  inmates cell mates removed for various reasons, including but not
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  limited to, an incident in the cell, visits to court, Legal, Library, medical,
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  and recreation. On Friday, August nineth, twenty nineteen, Epstein cell
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  mate Rays had court. It would not be uncommon for
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  Reyes to be out of his cell for an extended period.
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  Epstein had an attorney session that day. Epstein's attorney was
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  processed into the facility in the morning, and Epstein was
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  brought down to the attorney room. And you said, that
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  was pretty much seven days a week with Epstein redacted.
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  Was not notified that Reyes was released from court. And again,
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  on that note, would have been the absolute tenant that
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  would have been responsible to tell you. For instance, if
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  someone heard answer yes, if you were to recall, he
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  should have because you know he knew the exp so
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  by our previous conversation, they knew the expectation. But again
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  they chose not to follow the playbook question. Okay. Typically,
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  if an inmate is likely to be discharged or transferred
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  following court, their property was retrieved from their cell Boxton
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  secured with a property form by receiving and discharged staff.
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  All items are normally accounted for and inventoried. In order
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  to enter the shoe, all staff not a sign there
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  must identify themselves in a sign logbook and then be
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  physically escorted by a correctional officer. Alternatively, the staff can
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  pick up inmate property at the unit door. A correctional
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  officer assigned to the shoe would have been aware that
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  Reyis or any inmates belongings were removed at this time.
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  The correctional officer should notify a lieutenant, who would in
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  turn brief redacted. Redacted was not notified that reys belongings
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  were removed. Redacted advised that if he had known that
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  Epstein was without a cell mate, he would have likely
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  put Epstein on psychological observation. But now you're saying you
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  probably would have put him off he gets cut off
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  by the guard. I would not have put him on
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  psych ops because I can't question right you would have
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  put him in Fox answer, I probably would have put
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  him if he already. If I would have already between
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  those hours one fifty and four, I would say keep
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  him in an attorney conference because guess what, I've got a
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  staff member right there and where he was, there's a
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  room there, so we normally keep him in these first
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  two rooms, so you could just see him. So I
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  would just say, hey, just have somebody stay there, and
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  I would have hired somebody. I would have hired anybody,
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  I'll pay you overtime to sit on this guy until
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  I got him. Would have kept him an attorney conference
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  right there, until I got him a cell mate. I
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  wouldn't have had to put him on psych you're not
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  that's not I apologize. I can't do that question all right,
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  So this line where you said you would have likely
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  put him, he gets interrupted by the guard. No question,
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  that's not correct. Answer. No, I wouldn't have done that
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  question okay. Answer. That's because, like I said my earlier statement,
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  if it would have been after the hours of operation,
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  let's say everybody at eight, when we went back to
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  the cell and shoe and because I was still here,
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  I would have said, no, put him in R and D.
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  Because I got R and D staff there until ten.
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  I would have called the A and W. I would
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  have called the warden, and unfortunately we would have the
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  somebody would have come in and would have been there
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  later then vetting a cell made for him. Question right,
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  and it says redacted is not aware of any lieutenants
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  knowing that Reyes property was moved. Answer, we didn't know.
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  Question okay, Well that you know of redacted may have answer,
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  he may have question, but he didn't tell you answer.
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  Of course he didn't tell me. All right, folks, we're
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  gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode
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  dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we
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