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Sharri | 20 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: In a major intervention, Matt Canavan signals it's time for
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Speaker 2: the Nationals and Liberals to split over net zero. My
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Speaker 2: exclusive In a moment, Australia's weakest Prime minister is set
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Speaker 2: to meet with the world's strongest leader. Will Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: give Alban Easy the reality check he so deserves? Camra
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Speaker 2: Milner will give his assessment shortly. A premier in denial
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Speaker 2: just into Alan claims Melbourne is safe even as police
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Speaker 2: admit there's a crime crisis. Steve Price will unload on
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Speaker 2: this new level of spin, and I can reveal Israel's
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Minister will snub Australia as she visits New
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Speaker 2: Zealand and the Pacific. My scoop coming up, Plus Prince
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Speaker 2: Andrew back under police investigation, a sniper's nest found near
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Speaker 2: Air Force One.
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Speaker 3: And yet another mam Dani outrage.
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Speaker 2: All of that with Koshergata, But first tonight in breaking news,
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Speaker 2: I can reveal some Nationals are demanding a split from
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in the wake of Barnaby Joyce's likely resignation.
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Speaker 2: Joyce has highlighted net zero as the key reason why
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Speaker 2: he's considering leaving the party and National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: tells me that if the Liberals continue to support net zero,
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Speaker 2: then he believes the coalition partnership should split. He told
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Speaker 2: me exclusively today the net zero issue is now existential
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Speaker 2: for the Nationals Party. If the Liberals maintain support for it,
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Speaker 2: then what might be best is just for us to
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Speaker 2: go our separate ways. Major intervention there. Canavan also told
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Speaker 2: me we could put both policies to the electorate of
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Speaker 2: people can decide. There's a growing push inside the Nationals
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Speaker 2: for the party to have a stronger position against net zero.
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Speaker 2: This because of energy cost, reliability and consumer affordability. Former
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister John Howard has also argued for this position
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Speaker 2: his personal view, but Matt Canavan points out that even
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Speaker 2: in the so called teal seats, the number one issue
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Speaker 2: at the last federal election was cost of living. His
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Speaker 2: intervention now tonight adds to the sense the coalition is
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Speaker 2: in crisis and Opposition leader Susan Lee today seem to
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Speaker 2: acknowledge the partnership is precarious. Well, that's a prospective question, Michael,
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Speaker 2: and right now we are in coalition and it's a
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Speaker 2: coalition I support as does David Little Proud. The federal
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Speaker 2: election result was meant to be rock bottom for the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: but just four or so months on it's crumbling even further.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition only holds forty three seats in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: compared to Labour's ninety four. Unity and extremely hard work
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Speaker 2: campaigning in the electorate and in the media is what's
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Speaker 2: now required. Yet the opposition is bereft of policies. It
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Speaker 2: can't articulate its values or what it's fighting for. So
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Speaker 2: it's no wonder some MPs are considering jumping ship from
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Speaker 2: the Coalition partnership. First we saw high profile performers Andrew
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Speaker 2: Hasty and you sent a nambagmper Price quit the Liberal
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Speaker 2: front bench. And now, as you know, Barnaby Joyce and
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Speaker 2: Lou O'Brien are talking about leaving potentially for one Nation. Now,
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen has been open that she's open to recruiting
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Speaker 2: Binaby Joyce, Jacinta, Colin Boyce.
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Speaker 3: And low O'Brien.
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Speaker 2: And you heard what she had to say some strong
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Speaker 2: words just with James McPherson in the past half hour.
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Speaker 2: Let's be clear, this is a humiliating time for the
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Speaker 2: coalition and Susan Lee has to take some responsibility here
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Speaker 2: because this is what happens when there's a leadership vacuum
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Speaker 2: and a policy vacuum. Now, a policy review is fine,
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Speaker 2: but the election was in May, we're now in October.
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Speaker 2: The party needs to take the fight up to the
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Speaker 2: government and it needs to be doing the hard work
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Speaker 2: of trying to win back seats, not losing more to
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Speaker 2: one nation. Now Joyce has admitted he's had what some
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Speaker 2: have told me are quite advanced discussions with Pauline Hansen,
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Speaker 2: but he hasn't made a final decision. And the points
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Speaker 2: that we've seen Joyce raise on policy are fair enough
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Speaker 2: and just a reminder this is what he's calling for.
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Speaker 4: Ditching net zero should not be an offer to me,
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Speaker 4: should be a reality of Australia.
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Speaker 5: This is outrageous what we are.
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Speaker 4: Doing to our nation.
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Speaker 5: You have you're.
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Speaker 4: Putting small business out of business, that power prices are
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Speaker 4: going through the roof. You're putting poor people out of
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Speaker 4: their house. You are dividing communities, you were desecrating the
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Speaker 4: landscape with swindle factories and solar panels and windmills. You
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Speaker 4: don't get out of net zero because of Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 4: you get out of net zero because it is a
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Speaker 4: really bad, bad, bad policy that's doing so much damage
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Speaker 4: and so much her to our nation.
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Speaker 2: But this isn't just about policy, as Joyce has made clear,
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Speaker 2: this is also His decision to leave the Nationals is
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Speaker 2: partly because of the deterioration in the relationship between him
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Speaker 2: and the Nationals leader, David Little Proud. Little Proud and
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Speaker 2: Joyce had a civil conversation yesterday, but I'm told it
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Speaker 2: may be too little, too late, and there's history here.
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Speaker 2: As you recall, the Nationals leader didn't offer Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: a front bench position despite his experience as a former
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Speaker 2: deputy prime minister, and Little Prowd told the media this
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Speaker 2: was because the party needed generational change.
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Speaker 3: He also prevented Joyce from.
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Speaker 2: Campaigning outside of his electorate, despite the fact he's the
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Speaker 2: most high profile national now. While Susan Lee and David
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Speaker 2: Little Prowd do have much to answer for, Joyce isn't
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Speaker 2: blame free either. He has caused major headaches for successive
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Speaker 2: Liberal leaders and prime ministers, not the least of which
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Speaker 2: was when he chose to have a scandalous affair with
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Speaker 2: his media advisor which not only blew up his own
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Speaker 2: marriage but also cost the government. Yet, there are always
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Speaker 2: challenging characters in politics and it's up to the leaders
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Speaker 2: to properly manage them. And if the Coalition was soaring
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Speaker 2: with a strong policy platform that it was campaigning on
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Speaker 2: every day, it's unlikely joy So or Lou would be
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Speaker 2: flirting with one nation. Now this can be fixed, but
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Speaker 2: Little Proud and Lee need to actually ask Joyce to
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Speaker 2: stay and to contribute, and they need to nut out
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Speaker 2: at least four or five strong policies to campaign on.
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Speaker 3: Now, this isn't difficult.
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Speaker 2: These are mainstream issues that Australians care about. This crisis
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Speaker 2: in the coalition is all self inflicted and it comes
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Speaker 2: despite the Alban Eazy government's disastrous performance. Now this is
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Speaker 2: the stuff of Hollywood films. A seven minute heist in
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Speaker 2: broad daylight where thieves managed to steal the French Crown
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Speaker 2: jewels from the loof. In astonishing vision, you can see
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Speaker 2: here a professional con man stealing priceless jewels from a
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Speaker 2: glass enclosure. Have a look.
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Speaker 6: The alarm was raised by security that were there.
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Speaker 3: The police were called.
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Speaker 6: Visitors were then ushered out, totally confused about what was
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Speaker 6: going on, and the thieves then got away with eight
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Speaker 6: items we understand, including emerald earrings, necklaces, a tiara belonging
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Speaker 6: to an empress and a queen. Now, in their rush
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Speaker 6: to get away, they dropped another tiara.
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Speaker 2: So as you saw in that vision there, the thieves
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Speaker 2: parked on the street outside and they used a motorized
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Speaker 2: ladder to reach the first floor. They reportedly then used
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Speaker 2: a disccutver to through the window. Now the Loover is
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Speaker 2: the world's most famous art gallery with extremely tight security.
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Speaker 2: It should be impenetrable, so it's utterly extraordinary that criminals
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Speaker 2: managed to infiltrate in broad daylight and get away with
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Speaker 2: such a stunning and audacious heist. French President Emmanuel Macran
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Speaker 2: said this was an attack on France, and France's culture
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Speaker 2: minister said it was the work of professionals.
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Speaker 7: It must be said that these are professionals organized crime.
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Speaker 5: To the targets.
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Speaker 7: Art objects and museums have obviously become targets because France,
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Speaker 7: as you know, is a country with a rich heritage,
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Speaker 7: a country with historical heritage objects of great value, and
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Speaker 7: so these museums have also become targets for these criminals.
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Speaker 2: The last time there was a theft of this scale
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Speaker 2: was when Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece Lisa disappeared in nineteen eleven.
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Speaker 2: The thief had disguised himself as a museum employee. He
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Speaker 2: was later identified as an Italian man who perhaps believed
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Speaker 2: the artwork should.
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Speaker 3: Be in the hands of Italy now.
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Speaker 2: The search for the Mona Lisa lasted two years before
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Speaker 2: it was eventually found in Florence, when the thief tried
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Speaker 2: to resell it.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 3: Like the Mona Lisa, the.
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Speaker 2: Eighteenth and nineteenth century French Crown jewels stolen overnight have
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Speaker 2: made headlines the world over. They're now so famous and
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Speaker 2: recognizable it would be virtually impossible for the criminals to
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Speaker 2: resell them without breaking apart the jewels or melting down
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Speaker 2: the gold first, so this would greatly reduce their original value.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine why a thief stole them in
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Speaker 2: the first place, unless for the sheer infamy of it.
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Speaker 2: Either way, the heist has exposed to shocking security breaches
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Speaker 2: in one of the world's most beautiful.
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Speaker 3: And protected buildings.
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Speaker 2: For Prime Minister Anthony Albaneze has landed in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 2: Ahead of his first ever meeting.
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Speaker 3: With Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Now fifty seven world leaders fifty seven have already met
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Speaker 2: the United States President, some of them multiple times, up
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Speaker 2: to six times even, and this reflects the fact that
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Speaker 2: Trump knows full well who he is dealing with. He
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Speaker 2: knows just how woke and weak Albanezi is as a leader.
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Speaker 2: The President is also dismayed at what has happened to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now Cameron Milner writes in The Nightly that in a
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Speaker 2: few hours Australia's weakest Prime minister will meet the world's
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Speaker 2: strongest leader at.
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Speaker 3: The White House.
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Speaker 2: He says, if only global politics is easy as smiling
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Speaker 2: for a selfie, Albo.
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Speaker 3: Might actually cut it.
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Speaker 2: And Camra Milna joins me now along with Sky News
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Speaker 2: host Steve Price. Great to see you both and Cameron
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Speaker 2: sensational column. Now you write that Albanezi deserves the full
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Speaker 2: Zelenski treatment, of course, referring to that mis meeting in
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Speaker 2: the White House earlier this year.
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Speaker 3: Why do you say that, Well.
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Speaker 9: Because the truth has got to get out there, Shari,
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Speaker 9: I mean the Australia has lurched to the hard left
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Speaker 9: under Albanize. I mean we have to explain the isis
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Speaker 9: Bride's being given red carpet treatment, Gazan's on tourist visas
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Speaker 9: and no security checks becoming citizens, and the appalling, the
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Speaker 9: appalling rise of anti Semitism in Australia. They're really real
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Speaker 9: issues and the truth might hurt elbow, but someone's got
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Speaker 9: to bring him to heal and I think I think
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Speaker 9: Trump's able to do that. I mean, I hope it's
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Speaker 9: not social. I hope there's a truth bomb in the
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Speaker 9: Oval Office tonight and Albo has to then answer what
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Speaker 9: he's done to Australia.
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Speaker 2: You're also right, quite entertaining, in quite an entertaining way,
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Speaker 2: how Albanize has just been on this holiday and now
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Speaker 2: he's going straight to Washington.
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Speaker 3: Do you want to expand on that?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, you know the world's worst kept secret
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Speaker 9: that he went to pull our economy class, of course,
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Speaker 9: because when the taxpayer is not paying, and if he's
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Speaker 9: our back pocket, he's going to pay for economy for
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Speaker 9: him and journey to go for.
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Speaker 5: Pacific Island holiday.
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Speaker 9: But no, look, the hot stone massages, the zoo waters.
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Speaker 9: I'm surely that's enough preparation for the roasting he hopefully
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Speaker 9: hopefully gets in the Oval Office in a few hours time.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 2: Of course, as an Australian, we do want the meeting
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Speaker 2: to go well. We do need Australia and the United
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Speaker 2: States to have a solid relationship. It's appalling that Trump
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Speaker 2: was elected in November last year and that our Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Steell hasn't been able to meet with him. As
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Speaker 2: you know, I broke the story early this earlier this
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Speaker 2: year that Trump wouldn't even take.
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Speaker 3: His phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Now, Steve Trump is going to want to try and
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Speaker 2: do a deal. We're hearing on defense spending and on critical.
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Speaker 1: Mineral Well, that's the strong part of Anthony Albanezi's pitch,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, we do have a lot of
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Speaker 1: those very rich minerals that the world needs, and with
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Speaker 1: China shutting down their exploration and export of those minerals,
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Speaker 1: Australia's in a good place. But I'm just wondering. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and get up at three o'clock
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Speaker 1: and watch s Guy's live coverage of this. I want
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Speaker 1: to see where Kevin Rudd's sitting now. I'd be interested
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Speaker 1: to know what Cameron makes of the fact that Kevin
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Speaker 1: Rudd is going to be in this meeting. When I
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Speaker 1: heard that on Sky today, I couldn't believe it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you go back and replay the things that Kevin
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Speaker 1: Rudd said about Donald Trump, I don't know why you'd
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Speaker 1: take him. I mean, is he going to be hidden
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Speaker 1: up the back of the room? Correct? I mean so
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Speaker 1: would Why would that is such a dumb thing to do,
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Speaker 1: to take Kevin Rudd in there? I mean, Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: just as likely to have a piece of paper shoved
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Speaker 1: in front of him and it'll have the quotes from
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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd on it. He's likely to turn to run
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Speaker 1: and go what are you doing here? I mean it's
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Speaker 1: just madness beyond belief.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cameron, I know that Trump knows what's been going
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Speaker 2: on in Australia.
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Speaker 3: He absolutely does.
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Speaker 2: But he's also in a very good mood at the moment.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's achieved an extraordinary feet in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East piece deal, so he might not want to get
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Speaker 2: into an anti antagonistic, difficult meeting at this point in time.
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Speaker 3: Cameron.
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Speaker 9: No, that's right. And you know in his speech to
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Speaker 9: the Kannesset was I think fantastic to watch for anyone
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Speaker 9: who's actually sort of seeing how you know a US
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Speaker 9: president can really talk to a nation. I thought it
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Speaker 9: was jovial, it was lighthearted, it was serious at times,
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Speaker 9: but no, Look, I mean, I think the only hope
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Speaker 9: I've got is that Trump actually sees the US Australian
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Speaker 9: relationship as more important than weak Albanese and hopefully he
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Speaker 9: sees the importance of the Defense Pact and the fact
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Speaker 9: that we're one of the only nations in the Pacific
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Speaker 9: that should be able to stand up to the Chinese aggression.
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Speaker 9: So hopefully the US Australia relationship will transcend Albanese.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well let's turn to this very
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Speaker 2: important story, the crime and the violent protests in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Now, the premiere has insisted that there's no problem with
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Speaker 3: crime in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: It's all very safe. Yet even the police have described
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Speaker 2: it as a and I'm quoting a crime crisis, and
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Speaker 2: they've said that Melbourne has had a gutful of all
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Speaker 2: of this. Here's Police Commander Wayne Cheeseman.
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Speaker 11: This is what was faring in police today and I
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Speaker 11: think Melbourne has had a gutful. These were being fign
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Speaker 11: at police bottles filled with shards of glass were being
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Speaker 11: thrown at the police. Rotten fruit was being fign in.
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Speaker 11: Police bins were put on fire, flags were on fire,
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Speaker 11: and I think, you know, really, enough's enough. The people
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Speaker 11: that came to pick the fight were police, were the
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Speaker 11: issue motivated groups on the left. I can tell you
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Speaker 11: that the March for Australia group, they were peaceful, they
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Speaker 11: were engaged, They listened to our instructions, they did what
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Speaker 11: they were told and they protested by example.
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Speaker 3: I mean Steve.
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Speaker 2: You can just see his anger and what a hero
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Speaker 2: that police commander Wag Cheeseman is. You wonder how long
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Speaker 2: he'll have his job given how strongly he has come
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Speaker 2: out When the premier is saying that the city's safe.
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Speaker 3: Steve, how can she possibly claim this?
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Speaker 1: Well, the easiest thing to say would be that she's delusional,
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Speaker 1: but she's not. She knows exactly what's going on, and
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Speaker 1: she knows that Melbourne is a lawless place. We've had
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Speaker 1: two senior police in the last months stand up and
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Speaker 1: start to talk tough. So that must be under the
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Speaker 1: command of the new Police Commissioner, Mike Bush. She's giving
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Speaker 1: his troops the right to stand up and tell the truth.
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Speaker 1: Cheeseman emptied a box of rocks out on the floor,
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Speaker 1: held up a piece of bluestone which has broken off
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Speaker 1: the paving stones in Melbourne and says they were thrown
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Speaker 1: at police. I was there yesterday. I spoke to a
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Speaker 1: number of police officers on the front line. I said
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Speaker 1: to them, you know, what are your blokes doing here?
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Speaker 1: I mean, haven't you got better things to do on
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Speaker 1: a Sunday? They don't want to be there. I stood
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Speaker 1: on the corner of a street and I saw ten
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Speaker 1: riot police with shields on their faces, carrying rubber bullet
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Speaker 1: guns and pepper spray and stun grenades run past at
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Speaker 1: full bore. I thought I was in some lawless country
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Speaker 1: in South America or the bad days of apartheid in
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Speaker 1: South Africa. This is Melbourne. This is not happening in
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Speaker 1: Sydney or Brisbane, or Adelaide or Perth. I've said it
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Speaker 1: to you before, on and on. There was one arrest yesterday,
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Speaker 1: a thirty five year old woman from Country Victoria. She
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Speaker 1: was immediately bailed and had a guess when she's going
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Speaker 1: to appear in court for what she's been charged with
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Speaker 1: next May, in eight months time. She's going to be
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Speaker 1: out on the street today tonight next week they'll be back,
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Speaker 1: this Antifa crowd, this mob that had just hard leftist activists,
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Speaker 1: and no one's going to stop them. And as you
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Speaker 1: said to Allen, the woman who's in charge of the state,
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Speaker 1: see oh it's nothing, see you no worries. Melbourne's great,
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Speaker 1: it's not. It's a war zone.
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Speaker 3: Cameron.
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Speaker 2: It must be so frustrating for Melbournians. We know it's
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Speaker 2: not just the protest, but crime is now becoming a
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Speaker 2: major issue, just regular suburbs are becoming increasingly unsafe, break
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Speaker 2: and enters, crime on the streets. What do you think
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Speaker 2: is needed here, Cameron? Do we need tougher public order penalties?
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Speaker 2: Does there need to be you know, in terms of
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Speaker 2: the protests, bans for repeat violent offenders.
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Speaker 9: Well, everyone's going right to peaceful protests. And I say
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Speaker 9: peaceful as soon as you're a violent thug on the
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Speaker 9: streets of Melbourne, have the books thrown at you, go
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Speaker 9: to jail. I mean the police should be able to
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Speaker 9: enforce the law of the land, arrest these people. To
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Speaker 9: your point, Steve, not one person, not one random person.
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Speaker 9: Let's get all the thugs, all the trouble makers, line
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Speaker 9: them up and put it through the cour process and
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Speaker 9: put him in jail. Give them a jail time, because
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Speaker 9: we're going to get serious about people controlling the streets
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Speaker 9: when it's our streets, Shari, it's our streets.
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Speaker 2: Look from the crime crisis back to the coalition crisis,
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Speaker 2: because I'm keen to get your thoughts on my story
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Speaker 2: tonight that Matt Canavan says the Coalition should split if
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Speaker 2: the Liberals can't support net zero?
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Speaker 3: Steve, what do you think about this?
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Speaker 1: What's the delay? I mean, what are they waiting for?
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Speaker 1: I know Canavan is supposed to be doing a report
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Speaker 1: for the Nationals. I mean they need to get on
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Speaker 1: with it. I mean, Susan Lee and David Little Proud,
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Speaker 1: they just look weak at the moment. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you're going to dump net zero, do it, tell public
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Speaker 1: and get on with it. There's no point having a
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Speaker 1: report and announcing it in three or four months time.
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Speaker 1: They're going to lose talent like Barnaby Joyce. You know,
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Speaker 1: Canavan looks like he's going to stay with the NATSMA
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Speaker 1: that the others who walk away. Paul En Hanson's the
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Speaker 1: winner out of this. I mean she was on Sky
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Speaker 1: tonight saying that she would welcome Barnaby Jewyce into her party.
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Speaker 1: I mean, does the cold should not see what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Why would you just sit around waiting for a report.
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Speaker 1: Net zero is going to kill the coalition. Canavan's right
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Speaker 1: if they don't dump at the Liberals and the Nats
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Speaker 1: will walk away from them, and then you've got a
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Speaker 1: split And what are we going to have as a
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Speaker 1: result of that? And Cameron knows this better than anybody.
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Speaker 1: You're going to have labor administrations for at least the
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Speaker 1: next two terms, maybe three.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which at the moment is the trajectory given the
21:24
Speaker 2: state of the coalition. Cameron, and I also want to
21:27
Speaker 2: turn to your side of politics because there's this apparent
21:30
Speaker 2: divide between the Treasurer and the Prime Minister after Jim
21:34
Speaker 2: Chalmers backpedaled on taxing unrealized capital gains last week and
21:39
Speaker 2: of course this was announced on the day the hostages
21:41
Speaker 2: were returned. Cameron, what's going on behind the scenes with
21:45
Speaker 2: the Treasurer and the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 9: Well, it was a political hit job, total political hit job.
21:52
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, the Albani's made the c decision
21:54
Speaker 9: to dump charmers tax changes and then we're on holiday
21:58
Speaker 9: we're on holiday two week to even in front of
21:59
Speaker 9: pre conference to explain why Huney's treasure out to dry.
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Speaker 10: No, it was disgusting.
22:04
Speaker 9: I mean, Chalmers is a really hard worker, but on
22:06
Speaker 9: that Monday he had to eat the proverbial sandwich with
22:09
Speaker 9: no source thanks to this prime minister, because this promise
22:12
Speaker 9: is so paranoid about anyone with talent, anyone with talent
22:15
Speaker 9: around the cabinet table.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely threatened by Charmers views him as a
22:21
Speaker 2: future leadership bribal. But we've got to go Cameron, but
22:25
Speaker 2: very quickly. There's look the talk it's growing and growing
22:30
Speaker 2: that Tony Burke is the heir apparent.
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Speaker 9: He is his elbows picked because he's going to continue
22:37
Speaker 9: being an Albanista and carrying on a former government just
22:40
Speaker 9: like Albanese.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you cannot imagine the disaster that would
22:46
Speaker 2: be the country of Tony Burke was prime minister, even
22:49
Speaker 2: worse than right now with Albanezi. All right, Karen Milner,
22:52
Speaker 2: Steve Price, great to see you both. Now there's a
22:56
Speaker 2: major scandal in New York where the front runner to
22:59
Speaker 2: be mayor, hand Ma'mdani, has been pictured with a radical
23:03
Speaker 2: Imman Sirajwahaj, who once supported the terror attacks on the
23:09
Speaker 2: Trade Center in nineteen ninety three. Now survivors of that
23:13
Speaker 2: attack say that this image is a disgrace, of the
23:16
Speaker 2: two of them smiling together a photo opportunity with someone
23:20
Speaker 2: tied to one of America's earliest acts of jihadist terror.
23:24
Speaker 2: New York Post columnist Miranda Devine has written that it's
23:27
Speaker 2: hard to believe that, twenty four years after nine to eleven,
23:31
Speaker 2: New York City is on the brink of voting in
23:34
Speaker 2: a Uganda bon Islamist mayor who campaigned last week with
23:39
Speaker 2: an unindicted co conspirator in the first World Trade centered
23:43
Speaker 2: terror attack that killed six New Yorkers. We've also seen
23:47
Speaker 2: time and time again that Mamdani has refused to condemn
23:50
Speaker 2: Hamas Sky News contributor Koshagada joins me, now, now Kosher,
23:55
Speaker 2: We've got to say.
23:55
Speaker 3: The Imam has denied involvement and has never been charged.
23:59
Speaker 2: But what message does it send when the front runner
24:03
Speaker 2: for the mayoral candidate happily poses with someone accused of
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Speaker 2: enabling terrorism?
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Speaker 12: Not a great message.
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Speaker 8: Shari and I lived in New York at the time
24:15
Speaker 8: when nine to eleven happened, and it would have been
24:17
Speaker 8: completely unthinkable, As Miranda Devine said that in such a
24:20
Speaker 8: short period of time, two decades after that, here we are.
24:24
Speaker 8: But I think what it tells us, unfortunately, and the
24:26
Speaker 8: message that it sends is it's a different city, it's
24:29
Speaker 8: a different country. Twenty five years is a long time,
24:31
Speaker 8: a lifetime in politics, and unfortunately, politics is about emotion
24:36
Speaker 8: more than it is about facts, especially historical facts that
24:39
Speaker 8: are twenty five thirty years old. A lot of the
24:41
Speaker 8: people who are going to be voting in this election
24:43
Speaker 8: weren't even alive back then. This was, of course the
24:45
Speaker 8: ninety three bombing before nine to eleven, so that's even
24:49
Speaker 8: older news, and people's memories are long forgotten about that,
24:53
Speaker 8: and I think they go with identity. He sort of
24:57
Speaker 8: comes across as somebody that a lot of the electorate
24:59
Speaker 8: has a finished with. From an identity perspective, He's packaged
25:03
Speaker 8: very well as kind of this smiling, charismatic person and sadly,
25:07
Speaker 8: just at that surface level is how the votes are
25:09
Speaker 8: likely to go. And based on the polling today, even
25:11
Speaker 8: as these types of revolutions come out with him, he
25:14
Speaker 8: is running away with it. He's fifteen points ahead of
25:16
Speaker 8: Andrew Cuomo, who's in second place.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary.
25:19
Speaker 2: We can only hope that the polls are way off,
25:22
Speaker 2: completely wrong, because this is just going to be a
25:24
Speaker 2: travesty for New York City if he gets in. I
25:27
Speaker 2: want to ask you about Prince Andrew. Now he's back
25:29
Speaker 2: under investigation, this time for allegedly using a palace bodyguard
25:34
Speaker 2: to dig up dirt on a sex abuse victim, Virginia Guffrey,
25:38
Speaker 2: and also the major news over the weekend that he's
25:41
Speaker 2: had to give up his royal titles and honors.
25:45
Speaker 3: What can you tell us about this?
25:49
Speaker 8: Yes, so this one is interesting because he is The
25:53
Speaker 8: Metropolitan Police is saying that they are looking into this matter,
25:55
Speaker 8: so technically he.
25:57
Speaker 12: Is in legal jeopardy.
25:58
Speaker 8: There are some statutes and law that say, as a
26:01
Speaker 8: public official, if he was using his public resources or
26:05
Speaker 8: access to public resources to get information or have dig
26:09
Speaker 8: up dirt on somebody for personal ends, that is a
26:12
Speaker 8: violation of certain statutes.
26:13
Speaker 12: That's what they're looking into.
26:15
Speaker 8: Obviously, this is a famous or infamous person that's now
26:19
Speaker 8: been tied for him forever more in that photo and beyond. However,
26:22
Speaker 8: realistically I find it hard to believe that they're going
26:24
Speaker 8: to go there. No criminal probe has been opened, and
26:27
Speaker 8: I think they have bigger fish to fry than pursuing
26:29
Speaker 8: legal criminal action against him. Virginia Jifrey also passed away
26:33
Speaker 8: in April of this year here actually in Queensland, Australia,
26:36
Speaker 8: so that also potentially weakens any such charge around it. However,
26:39
Speaker 8: your second question, politically, it is interesting. I think a
26:42
Speaker 8: lot of people are asking why now, Like, why did
26:44
Speaker 8: this stuff come out?
26:45
Speaker 1: Now?
26:46
Speaker 8: Was this the reason for why he now kind of
26:49
Speaker 8: all of a sudden gave up his titles? That's pretty
26:51
Speaker 8: shocking news. I think people are kind of scratching their
26:53
Speaker 8: heads about that, and it might also be a harbinger
26:55
Speaker 8: for what's to come, where the mother's love Queen Elizabeth,
26:58
Speaker 8: you know, is different from.
26:59
Speaker 12: A brother's love or a nephew's love for willing to
27:02
Speaker 12: look the other way.
27:03
Speaker 8: And are there other royals potentially that future King William
27:07
Speaker 8: might take a harder look at in terms of how
27:08
Speaker 8: long they can hang on to titles.
27:10
Speaker 3: Such a good point.
27:12
Speaker 2: Now, big story today, the FBI is investigating what's been
27:17
Speaker 2: described as a potential sniper's nest. This is overlooking Donald
27:22
Speaker 2: Trump's air Force one. It's the landing zone at Palm
27:25
Speaker 2: Beach Airport. Now we don't know for sure, but this
27:29
Speaker 2: is what it's been described as kosher. This is just
27:33
Speaker 2: a chilling reminder of all the potential threats to the
27:37
Speaker 2: President's life and how his life is still in jeopardy
27:41
Speaker 2: every day he goes out in public.
27:45
Speaker 8: One hundred percent he is target number one of many
27:49
Speaker 8: people on the other side. It's a miracle by which
27:51
Speaker 8: he dodged that bullet by one millimeter, which changed the
27:54
Speaker 8: arc of history, as we often talk about and will
27:56
Speaker 8: probably for the rest of time. The second one where
27:59
Speaker 8: the Secrets of Us thankfully caught that person who was
28:02
Speaker 8: recently convicted in Florida with the barrel of the gun
28:05
Speaker 8: coming out of the bushes. And now this one dependent
28:08
Speaker 8: We don't know how developed the plot was, but it
28:10
Speaker 8: is no joke, and many people actually are kind of.
28:13
Speaker 12: Really fed up.
28:13
Speaker 8: I would say, Shari with the Secret Service and why
28:17
Speaker 8: these things seem to get to the stage that they
28:19
Speaker 8: get to before they're caught. Thankfully, so far they have
28:21
Speaker 8: all been caught, and I think there's just a bigger
28:24
Speaker 8: push for them to toughen up or should there be
28:26
Speaker 8: a military unit or somebody else augmenting the Secret Service
28:29
Speaker 8: around President Trump given the threat against him, is unlike
28:32
Speaker 8: anything in recent memory.
28:34
Speaker 3: Although of course, as you know, two weren't caught.
28:36
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't on the president, but the Charlie
28:38
Speaker 2: Kirk assassination and then and he had security and also
28:44
Speaker 2: you know the near miss with President Trump. Just very
28:47
Speaker 2: quickly before you go, I want to ask you about
28:50
Speaker 2: this massive so called No King's protest against Donald Trump
28:55
Speaker 2: on the weekend.
28:55
Speaker 3: Now he's hit back at it.
28:57
Speaker 2: He's posted in AI generated generated clip of himself is
29:01
Speaker 2: a fighter pilot dumping sewage on protesters, which is hilarious.
29:05
Speaker 2: And the White House does seem to be having a
29:07
Speaker 2: lot of fun with its social media at the moment.
29:10
Speaker 2: But he did allow these protests to go ahead. So
29:13
Speaker 2: that was you know, that is fundamental to democracy, isn't it?
29:20
Speaker 12: Absolutely it is.
29:21
Speaker 8: And look, seventy seven million people voted for him in
29:24
Speaker 8: the last election.
29:25
Speaker 12: Some the highest reports.
29:27
Speaker 8: Are something like seven million people took to the streets,
29:30
Speaker 8: so that's debated if true. We're saying ten percent of
29:32
Speaker 8: them are very angry that not only did he win,
29:34
Speaker 8: but he's putting his campaign promises into action. You see
29:37
Speaker 8: them in action, and it's conceivable that, you know, a
29:40
Speaker 8: lot of people with time on their hands are taking.
29:42
Speaker 12: To the streets.
29:43
Speaker 8: There's some question about how many of them are organic
29:46
Speaker 8: versus is there some sort of funding kind of propping
29:48
Speaker 8: it up. Who knows, But yep, that's part of democracy.
29:50
Speaker 8: And he's the king of taking those kinds of things
29:53
Speaker 8: and trolling the other side, if you will.
29:55
Speaker 12: He started doing it with tweets.
29:57
Speaker 8: Now he's graduated into AI videos and I think that
30:00
Speaker 8: kind of does neutralize it a little bit, and he's
30:02
Speaker 8: going to continue pushing as agenda.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's hard to imagine there were seven million
30:07
Speaker 2: people at a protest, but these numbers are always greatly exaggerated.
30:11
Speaker 2: As you say, Kosha Data, thank you so much for
30:13
Speaker 2: coming on again.
30:14
Speaker 3: Now still to come.
30:15
Speaker 2: The millions donated to climb at two hundred to win
30:18
Speaker 2: teal seats, So you've got to ask why are the
30:20
Speaker 2: wealthy backing this movement? And an October seven terrorist arrested
30:26
Speaker 2: in the United States. That major story with Ray Hadley next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome Back.
30:36
Speaker 2: A Palestinian immigrant has been arrested in America overclaims that
30:40
Speaker 2: he took part in the October seven massacre.
30:44
Speaker 3: The thirty three year old.
30:45
Speaker 2: Is alleged to have lied in his visa interview, but
30:48
Speaker 2: police then uncovered photographs of him wearing terrorist military attire
30:54
Speaker 2: and his mobile phone connected to an Israeli cell tower
30:57
Speaker 2: on the morning of October seven. Now, despite this, he
31:01
Speaker 2: did manage to enter the United States in September last year,
31:04
Speaker 2: and then he was arrested on Thursday.
31:07
Speaker 3: Radio legend Ray Hadley joins.
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Speaker 2: Me, Now, Ray, does this case raise questions to you
31:15
Speaker 2: about how adequate our security vetting might have been? Like
31:19
Speaker 2: if he got through United States security vetting?
31:22
Speaker 13: Famously tough, grave concerns because put simply, without knowing the
31:28
Speaker 13: full details, the American system of vetting would be far superior.
31:32
Speaker 10: To ours nine times out of ten, because.
31:35
Speaker 13: They've got people over there who are mostly interested in
31:38
Speaker 13: protecting Americans.
31:40
Speaker 10: We've got Tony Burke.
31:43
Speaker 13: Really, so you'd have to think some of the gardens
31:46
Speaker 13: were patriated here. Given the Hamas has been in power
31:49
Speaker 13: for two decades, those people brought here, one would imagine,
31:55
Speaker 13: I don't know what number, but some would have sympathy
31:57
Speaker 13: for Hamas a terrorist organization, and we're bringing them here.
32:02
Speaker 10: And Bert keeps going building on about oh, you.
32:04
Speaker 13: Know it's string and it's that there's nothing stringent about
32:07
Speaker 13: what happens in relation to these people, and if someone
32:12
Speaker 13: can lie on a much more difficult betting system in
32:15
Speaker 13: the United States of America.
32:17
Speaker 10: And the good news is they found out.
32:18
Speaker 13: I mean, they didn't just say, oh, you're here, that's good,
32:21
Speaker 13: you know, behave yourself down there in Lwizia or wherever
32:24
Speaker 13: you may be. But they kept putting things together until
32:28
Speaker 13: they basically said you shouldn't be here because you're obviously
32:31
Speaker 13: part of the terror group.
32:33
Speaker 2: And I've read some of the different reports and the
32:36
Speaker 2: different media outlets about the same story, and the details
32:39
Speaker 2: extraordinary what American police managed to uncover. The authorities, I mean,
32:44
Speaker 2: it sounds like it was an initial tip off from Israel,
32:47
Speaker 2: but then the bulk of the evidence was compiled by
32:50
Speaker 2: the United States.
32:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, the FBI have been heavily involved. And you know,
32:55
Speaker 13: we don't have the FBI here. We've got a very
32:56
Speaker 13: capable Australian Federal Police and the Australian Border Force. But
33:00
Speaker 13: while ever the Home Affairs Minister is Tony Burke, you
33:03
Speaker 13: wouldn't know who we're bringing here. There'd been no confidence
33:06
Speaker 13: about the top of people we're bringing here.
33:08
Speaker 2: And even the first cohort came before Tony Burke was
33:13
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister, but as we know, because it emerged
33:16
Speaker 2: in Senate Estimates hearing, it was rushed through and the
33:20
Speaker 2: approvals were granted when they couldn't possibly have been time
33:24
Speaker 2: for adequate security checks. I got a list of the
33:27
Speaker 2: names at the time out to look through the names.
33:28
Speaker 2: A lot of their social media's had been deleted their history, so.
33:33
Speaker 3: Very hard to find out where.
33:35
Speaker 2: And this, by the way, is one of Jillian Siegel's
33:37
Speaker 2: recommendations that anti Semitism is a prerequisite if you like
33:45
Speaker 2: on visa applications.
33:47
Speaker 13: I spoke at a Jewish gathering for the Board of
33:50
Speaker 13: Deputies early this year and I met missus Siegel, very
33:54
Speaker 13: impressive lady cheers and very guarded because she.
33:57
Speaker 10: Has a very important position.
33:58
Speaker 13: But I in a short conversation I gleaned that she'd
34:03
Speaker 13: like a lot more to be done based on her investigations.
34:07
Speaker 13: But we know where the allegiances lie with the Australian
34:10
Speaker 13: Labor Party, the recognition of the Palaestinian State, which you know,
34:16
Speaker 13: to our dret detriment recommends hass a terrorist organization and
34:20
Speaker 13: how they say it doesn't but it does.
34:22
Speaker 2: But that's still the governing body. I mean, that's the discussion. Now,
34:24
Speaker 2: how do you get rid of from us?
34:26
Speaker 13: And we spoke last Thursday about the treaty, then the
34:29
Speaker 13: Donald Trump treaty.
34:30
Speaker 10: So what do they do?
34:31
Speaker 13: Almost immediately, they execute people who have a differing view
34:35
Speaker 13: to them in front of cheering crowds and shoot them
34:40
Speaker 13: at point blank. No trial, no system of justice, just
34:44
Speaker 13: you belong to another tribe and your tribe is sympathetic
34:47
Speaker 13: to the Jewish faith, so we'll kill you.
34:50
Speaker 10: That's how they operate.
34:51
Speaker 13: And I know Trump's done a wonderful job so far,
34:53
Speaker 13: but how do you trust Hamas, I mean, thieves, murderous rapists, terrorists.
35:01
Speaker 10: How do you trust them?
35:02
Speaker 12: Can't?
35:03
Speaker 3: You absolutely can't.
35:04
Speaker 2: And just before any of our comments get misinterpreted, of course,
35:07
Speaker 2: there are innocent families who are refugees, but it's doing
35:12
Speaker 2: the security vetting to make sure that her Musk supporters
35:16
Speaker 2: or terrorists themselves like this case, America, don't slip through,
35:19
Speaker 2: don't slip through the process.
35:20
Speaker 13: I'm sure that the vast majority of people being repatriated
35:23
Speaker 13: here from all feathers of war. A good decent people,
35:26
Speaker 13: You've only got to make.
35:27
Speaker 10: One mistake for them to be a big problem, a
35:30
Speaker 10: massive problem, a massive problem.
35:32
Speaker 13: You don't want to live cafe. So he's repeated that
35:36
Speaker 13: was a terrible period in our history. You don't want
35:37
Speaker 13: it repeat it. You've got to be very careful about
35:39
Speaker 13: who comes here.
35:40
Speaker 2: And I want to ask you about the protests in
35:42
Speaker 2: Melbourne on the weekend. This is some of the violent clashes.
35:47
Speaker 2: Just how the protesters reacted to police.
35:51
Speaker 3: Have a look.
36:05
Speaker 2: Right, and yet I just sent to Allen is denying
36:09
Speaker 2: that there's a crisis.
36:10
Speaker 3: She is delusional? Or is this just.
36:13
Speaker 13: Berni berning effigies of police officers. I mean, by what
36:17
Speaker 13: standard is that acceptable? But look well I don't have
36:20
Speaker 13: a great understanding Victorian politics for our Victorian viewers. Okay,
36:24
Speaker 13: so I defer to people like Andrew hopefully back next
36:28
Speaker 13: Monday as well and Pricey, who you had on previously,
36:32
Speaker 13: who come from that part of the world.
36:34
Speaker 10: And based on one issue, I did an editorial on
36:37
Speaker 10: the Telly about this law and order lay.
36:40
Speaker 13: I can't imagine that Brad Batton can't win the election
36:44
Speaker 13: next year on.
36:45
Speaker 10: Law and order nothing else.
36:47
Speaker 13: So that's a big battle because I think the Labor
36:50
Speaker 13: Party has fifty four of eighty eight seats. There are
36:53
Speaker 13: twenty seven hell by the Liberal National Party twenty and
36:58
Speaker 13: nine or twenty nine actually nine and then there's five
37:02
Speaker 13: cross benches.
37:03
Speaker 10: Now it's a big effort. But if Brad.
37:06
Speaker 13: Batten fights on law and order, even by the lofty
37:11
Speaker 13: standards of Victoria, returning Labor time after time after time again,
37:16
Speaker 13: there has to be a changing in government. There has
37:19
Speaker 13: to be if just Center Allen is delusional and in
37:24
Speaker 13: total denial, total denial, and the matter we spoke about
37:28
Speaker 13: last week, the whole place, it should be the woke state.
37:33
Speaker 13: So they've got those poor boys killed in Melbourne, so
37:38
Speaker 13: they've rounded up the police done a wonderful job. So
37:40
Speaker 13: there's a sixteen and a fifteen year old called the
37:42
Speaker 13: court last week. They give DNA the sixteen year old
37:45
Speaker 13: and a Youth Justice center said I'm not going I
37:48
Speaker 13: feel crook.
37:49
Speaker 10: So they get a doctor in there's nothing wrong with him.
37:51
Speaker 13: And then the people running Youth Justice, the people appointed
37:55
Speaker 13: by the Labor government, say look, we can't make these
37:58
Speaker 13: people go to court if they don't wish to go.
38:01
Speaker 13: So in the end the magistrate has to say to
38:03
Speaker 13: the police, go and arrest him and bring him in
38:06
Speaker 13: here for a DNA. I mean, by what standard when
38:09
Speaker 13: you are charged allegedly murdering someone, do you say to
38:12
Speaker 13: Youth Justice, oh, I'm not going to court And Jacinda
38:16
Speaker 13: Allen doesn't make a law the next day with the numbers,
38:20
Speaker 13: she's got to say, well, we can't have that. We
38:23
Speaker 13: can't have a sixty year old telling youth Justice he
38:26
Speaker 13: doesn't want to go to court. And you think about
38:30
Speaker 13: what sort of person's in charge of youth justice in
38:32
Speaker 13: Victoria that would simply say we can't make them go
38:35
Speaker 13: because we've got to think about what they're feeling.
38:38
Speaker 2: I mean, if Victorians vote her back in there's something wrong,
38:41
Speaker 2: well voting back into something wrong.
38:42
Speaker 10: We just say the same thing about Canberra.
38:44
Speaker 13: They've got the same Green labor government for decades and anyway,
38:48
Speaker 13: but hopefully very common sense will prevail in Victoria in
38:51
Speaker 13: twenty twenty six.
38:52
Speaker 2: We've only got half a minute left. I've got to
38:54
Speaker 2: ask about these figures today. The Climate two hundred spent
38:58
Speaker 2: nearly eleven million dollars on their thirty four tier campaigns. Look,
39:03
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, these MPs cannot make
39:07
Speaker 2: a difference.
39:07
Speaker 3: They'll never be in government.
39:09
Speaker 2: Why are the wealthy wasting their money donating nearly eleven
39:12
Speaker 2: million dollars.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a drop in the bucket for these people
39:15
Speaker 13: that were donating it. I mean, they carry that much
39:18
Speaker 13: in the astray of their cars.
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Speaker 10: Eleven million dollars.
39:21
Speaker 13: When you're talking about the people that have donated to
39:24
Speaker 13: allegal Spender of Monique Ryan, give it to you know,
39:27
Speaker 13: I mean, give it to disadvange children if you want
39:30
Speaker 13: to be really make a difference to the world. But
39:32
Speaker 13: I mean, the tools are never ever going to have
39:35
Speaker 13: And they spend all that money eleven million, and I
39:38
Speaker 13: think El Allegra Spender got almost three yeah, one point nine,
39:42
Speaker 13: but three hundred thousand, Climate two hundred, the same with
39:45
Speaker 13: Menique Ryan and they're never and they didn't.
39:48
Speaker 10: They lost a seat, so Daniel lost a seat. So
39:51
Speaker 10: I mean, these are very wealthy people.
39:55
Speaker 13: You'd like to think they're well, they're honorable in that
39:58
Speaker 13: they're making donations for honorable reasons, but you'd also think
40:01
Speaker 13: are they really involved in the climate con that they
40:05
Speaker 13: have heavy investments in relation to renewables that makes them
40:09
Speaker 13: wish that.
40:10
Speaker 10: Perhaps these people have more clout than actually have. But
40:13
Speaker 10: I mean it's all a bit.
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Speaker 3: Of virtue signaling to support the tell so disappointing.
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Speaker 10: Do you one thing?
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Speaker 13: They won't be going to one nation the tels like
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Speaker 13: Barnaby and Mattvite.
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Speaker 12: That's true.
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Speaker 2: All right, Ray, thank you so much, Thanks you all right,
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Speaker 2: still to come Beijing plays dangerous games in the sky.
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Speaker 2: Plus Israel's high level snub of Australia. I'll give you
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Speaker 2: that exclusive after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 2: Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charane Haskell is currently in
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Speaker 2: our region. Yet despite visiting New Zealand, she's skipping Australia.
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Speaker 2: Or could it be because of the risk Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke may not grant her a visa. I
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Speaker 2: spoke with Sharen past hour and.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you. You're speaking to me right now
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Speaker 3: from PNG.
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Speaker 2: You're on a high level visit of the Pacific and
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, but I understand you're missing Australia.
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Speaker 3: Why is this.
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Speaker 14: Well, we've designated this trip from the first place to
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Speaker 14: come and visit those countries. Incredible country who has supported
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Speaker 14: us during the last two years. These were very difficult
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Speaker 14: years for US. Papua New Guinea and Fiji have opened embassies,
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Speaker 14: both of them in Jerusalem during that time of war,
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Speaker 14: participated together in votings at the United Nations to support Israel.
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Speaker 14: They have even represented us in the international courts of law,
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Speaker 14: and for that, we are extremely grateful for the government
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Speaker 14: and for the people.
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Speaker 5: And this trip is meant as a.
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Speaker 14: Thank you, gratitude for the incredible bond and friendship and
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Speaker 14: support that we've received from them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right.
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Speaker 2: We saw most recently New Zealand refused to recognize a
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Speaker 2: Palestinian state when Australia did.
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Speaker 3: Just one of many moves.
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Speaker 2: But I have to ask you, Charan, whether also concerns
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Speaker 2: in Israel about Australia's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke potentially
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Speaker 2: denying you a visa if you had.
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Speaker 3: Applied for one.
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Speaker 14: Look, this is not a consideration in this case, as
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Speaker 14: this trip was already planned before as a gratitude trip
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Speaker 14: to those countries who have supported us. Obviously, we were
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Speaker 14: greatly concerned from the revoke of visas or the deny
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Speaker 14: of entry of former Minister el Kid declaration of a
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Speaker 14: betzalesmot about Benviir, And it's important to say I think
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Speaker 14: the Australian government needs to understand why they, you know,
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Speaker 14: prevented the entrance or the visas. Was it something that
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Speaker 14: they said, because if someone is judged like that by
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Speaker 14: what they said, Shari, I can give you a list
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Speaker 14: of hundreds of people that should be very that shouldn't
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Speaker 14: enter Australia. They should be kept very far away. And
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Speaker 14: if it is something that they did, then we should
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Speaker 14: remind the Australian government that those decisions were done by
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Speaker 14: the entire cabinet, which means that all the ministers of
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Speaker 14: Israel's are to judge by the same rules.
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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about the tentative ceasefire
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Speaker 2: that's holding in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: At the moment.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about the Hamas attacks that
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Speaker 2: killed Israeli soldiers overnight and then also Israel's response in
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Speaker 2: targeting Hamas.
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Speaker 14: So Shari, it's important also to understand in this context
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Speaker 14: there were more than two hundred and fifty violation of
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Speaker 14: the ceasefire by Hamas, whether it's drones, shootings, armed people
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Speaker 14: going into the areas beyond the yellow line. There were
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Speaker 14: two hundred and forty violations. What happened in the last
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Speaker 14: couple of days. There's two major violations that we cannot go,
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Speaker 14: you know, without any kind of reactions. One of them
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Speaker 14: is what Trump described as Hamas taking over Gaza, killing, murdering, abducting, abusing, torturing,
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Speaker 14: chaining and dragging in the streets are dozens, if not.
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Speaker 5: Hundreds of Palestinians.
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Speaker 14: And by the way, I don't hear those demonstrations in
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Speaker 14: Sydney or Melbourne now calling to protect and defend Palestinians,
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Speaker 14: to save them from the murderous hands of Ramas. I'll
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Speaker 14: tell you what, because it's not they don't care about
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Speaker 14: the lives of the Palestinians. It's about hating Israel. But
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Speaker 14: in our ceasefire terms, this is a violation, knowing that
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Speaker 14: the international community, the Arab countries agree that Kramas has
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Speaker 14: to be disarmed. Then the third, the second violation, who
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Speaker 14: was a major violation, was them shooting an anti tank
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Speaker 14: missile and RPG into an IDF vehicle, murdering two soldiers
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Speaker 14: injuring more. I mean, you know, we are very concerned.
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Speaker 14: There was a conference yesterday at the cabinet of the government.
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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister have said that the ceasefire is back
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Speaker 14: in place, but in any other violation, we will retaliate
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Speaker 14: and we will send a clear message to Hamasa. This
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Speaker 14: is absolutely unacceptable. It is very fragile, and we are
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Speaker 14: still hoping. You know that international community, the Americans, the
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Speaker 14: Arab countries, will force Hamas to disarm.
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Speaker 2: That is what Trump has been calling for. He said
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Speaker 2: it every single day pretty much for the past week.
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Speaker 2: If Hamas doesn't disarm, will it be Israel that goes
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Speaker 2: back in to defeat Hamas or do you expect that
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Speaker 2: could be international partners in this military action.
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Speaker 14: Well, so we've said we're giving peace a chance, and
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Speaker 14: that's what we're doing. Every time Israel had an opportunity
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Speaker 14: through peace, through diplomacy, through negotiation to try and achieve
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Speaker 14: our goals of war.
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Speaker 5: This is the first part.
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Speaker 14: That we chose because it's well seex pieces in stability,
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Speaker 14: nothing else, but I have to say everything is on
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Speaker 14: the table. We cannot just stand and wait for another
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Speaker 14: seventh of October. And everybody knows that with Hamas they
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Speaker 14: will not be peace and stability. Hammas is a murderous
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Speaker 14: death cult. They've written on their charge of the complete
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Speaker 14: annihilation of the state of Israel, murdering all the Jews
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Speaker 14: in Israel and outside of Israel.
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Speaker 5: This is not a peace seeking organization.
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Speaker 14: It's not a sensible government, it's not a stable leadership.
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Speaker 5: This is a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 14: If we want to get out of every few years
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Speaker 14: having another round of war, Hamas must be dismantled. I
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Speaker 14: hope it will come through diplomacy, but without any other choice,
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Speaker 14: everything is back on the table, all right.
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Speaker 2: And just very quickly that ran and the possibility that
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Speaker 2: America could join you in that is that on the
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Speaker 2: table as well.
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Speaker 14: Look, I I'll tell you very clearly, I don't think
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Speaker 14: that the Americans will have boots on the grounds if
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Speaker 14: you're referring to our soldiers who came in and were
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Speaker 14: seen at the airport. This is about the central command
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Speaker 14: towards the next stage in Gaza and the communication with
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Speaker 14: the aid that is flowing in. There is a lot
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Speaker 14: of collaboration, and there's teams that are meant to be
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Speaker 14: going in search of the hostages that Ramas hasn't returned yet.
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Speaker 14: So there's Katari, Egyptian and Turkish team that are meant
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Speaker 14: to be going into Gaza in search of the bodies
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Speaker 14: of the murdered victim by Ramas who are still being
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Speaker 14: held there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good to hear.
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Speaker 2: Well, Sharan, all the best for the rest of your
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Speaker 2: trip in the Pacific and look forward to hearing how
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Speaker 2: the meetings go.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Right still ahead, a Chinese fighter jet releases flares dangerously
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Speaker 2: close to an Australian patrol plane.
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Speaker 3: Our government's response, well, that's next.
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Speaker 2: Well, Australia's Royal Air Force was doing what every free
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Speaker 2: nation has the legal right to do, conducting a routine patrol,
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Speaker 2: a legal mission in international airspace. When a Chinese fighter
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Speaker 2: jet swooped in and fired flares dangerously.
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Speaker 3: Close to our aircraft, it's.
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Speaker 2: A reckless, hostile and aggressive move that jeopardized the safety
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Speaker 2: of Australian pilots. Now, this wasn't a misunderstanding by Beijing.
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Speaker 2: It was a deliberate act of intimidation. Yet another test
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Speaker 2: to see just how much Australia will tolerate.
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Speaker 3: And what's our response been.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Defense Minister said that we've raised our our
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Speaker 2: concerns with China that it's unsafe and unprofessional. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: concerns when a foreign power endangers Australian lives. That language
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Speaker 2: is weak. Our government should be demanding an apology, not
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Speaker 2: politely expressing discomfort. We need to be sending a clear
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Speaker 2: message that Australian airspace operations are legal and non negotiable,
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Speaker 2: and that no dictatorship decides where our planes can fly,
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Speaker 2: and certainly no dictatorship has the right to put our soldiers,
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Speaker 2: our defense personnel their lives in danger.
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Speaker 3: This is simply not good enough.
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Speaker 2: And don't forget our allies are watching the response. So
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Speaker 2: all we've got time for today. I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 2: at eight. And right now he's Poul Mara