Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Olivier Melnick: TDS, IDS, And The World’s Oldest Hatred

Transcript

Olivier Melnick: TDS, IDS, And The World’s Oldest Hatred · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

• 0:00
  Hey friends, family in Christ, very important topic today as we are going to talk about anti-Semitism
• 0:06
  in the end times and how the rise of the world's oldest hatred is paving the way for the
• 0:13
  Messiah's return.
• 0:15
  We've got Olivia Melnik back with us next.
• 0:22
  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
• 0:29
  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
• 0:35
  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
• 0:38
  Well, welcome to another episode, we're so thankful, I am so blessed to be able to speak
• 0:45
  with the men and women of God that I get to talk to you on this program and I'm just
• 0:50
  thankful for you, you guys, for sharing it, it's getting out there growing like crazy
• 0:55
  and that's under God's sovereignty, of course, but thanks to you and your prayers and your
• 1:00
  support.
• 1:01
  So, I want to give you the website ShalomInMessiah.com, ShalomInMessiah.com.
• 1:08
  Many of you are new viewers or new listeners in the last several months and we try to have
• 1:13
  Olivia as a recurring guest.
• 1:15
  If you haven't spoken or if you haven't heard him speak, you can go to the website.
• 1:20
  He also has a YouTube channel, ShalomInMessiah, Ministries on YouTube.
• 1:25
  I see a recent podcast he's done and programs with John Haller, Andy Woods, talking about
• 1:31
  convergence and all kinds of wonderful topics that are very relevant and timely, especially
• 1:36
  to the church in America and around the world, I should say, but anyway, brother, welcome.
• 1:41
  Thank you for your time.
• 1:42
  It's always good to reconnect.
• 1:44
  David, thank you for having me again, I'd be to be on your show.
• 1:48
  Okay.
• 1:49
  You're welcome.
• 1:50
  Before we got on, when I did that little teaser, I didn't say that is the title of your
• 1:56
  upcoming brand new book anti-Semitism in the end times and I love the subtitle is wonderful.
• 2:06
  The world's oldest hatred.
• 2:09
  So paving the way for the Messiah's return for the newer viewers, Olivia and listeners,
• 2:15
  you have a really an excellent definition of anti-Semitism.
• 2:20
  Would you please repeat that for those that haven't heard that?
• 2:24
  So my definition is like this, anti-Semitism is the satanic and irrational hatred of Israel
• 2:32
  and the Jewish people characterized by thoughts, words and deeds against them.
• 2:39
  So very important that you understand that it's irrational and it doesn't make any sense
• 2:44
  and we're seeing it more and more and more in the recent time and it's irrational because
• 2:50
  it's satanic.
• 2:51
  Only Satan and his demons can make something irrational, sound rational and anti-Semitism
• 2:59
  is also against both Israel as the land in the country and the Jewish people globally.
• 3:06
  It's a global cancer now and of course thoughts, words and deeds, anti-Semitism never stops
• 3:13
  with words.
• 3:14
  And we've seen that recently, unfortunately.
• 3:17
  Okay, so your brand new book is slated to come out October 7th, interesting and I'm
• 3:22
  sure you picked that date purposely, right?
• 3:25
  Yes, yes I did.
• 3:28
  It was actually supposed to come in September and I thought let's push it one more month
• 3:32
  because the day it comes out is the first Tuesday of the month which happened to be October
• 3:36
  7th and I said we have to make it that date because it's going to be the second anniversary
• 3:42
  of the attack by Hamas in Israel and it's unfortunately memorable date and it's very
• 3:52
  meaningful that the book would come at that time, so yes.
• 3:55
  So let's go back to your definition now.
• 3:57
  You said satanic and irrational hatred of the Jews.
• 4:02
  I see you have an American flag there behind you and I'm thinking of American college
• 4:09
  campuses and what was really eye-opening to a lot of us around the country, a lot of
• 4:14
  us, even somewhat informed believers in the biblical worldview and the Judeo-Christian
• 4:21
  worldview and where they're going, wow, what is going on in America?
• 4:26
  So when I hear the word irrational, that defines, I would say, a majority of these college
• 4:32
  students that are up there, you know, pro-Hamas and they're free Palestine, they don't even
• 4:39
  know why they're there, they just know they're supposed to hate the Jews and they're supposed
• 4:44
  to protest.
• 4:45
  Your thoughts on that and how eye-opening that was two years ago?
• 4:49
  There is actually two sides to that coin and there's a good and a bad, the bad is that
• 4:54
  what you just said, basically within a day or two after October 7th, the world turned
• 5:01
  on Israel like we've never seen before and American campuses, US campuses all over and
• 5:09
  different various locations around the globe basically started to scream, globalize the
• 5:15
  Antifada, free Palestine, destroy the IDF, all those very, very toxic lethal words that
• 5:25
  became leads when you see the two Jewish diplomats that were killed a couple of months ago in
• 5:31
  Washington DC by a man from Chicago, a Hispanic man from Chicago, which really we had no
• 5:37
  ties to Hamas or the Palestinian cause, you know, ethnically, he said, he was just a
• 5:44
  guy who wanted to push the agenda and he did and he killed two Jewish diplomats in DC.
• 5:52
  But what's happening on campuses is indeed very irrational.
• 5:57
  So that's the bad part, the fact that they don't know what they're talking about.
• 6:00
  They're pushing something that they believe is social justice and it's, you know, supporting
• 6:07
  the underdog so to speak.
• 6:09
  But in reality, they are pushing a lethal, when they're saying, they're basically pushing
• 6:15
  the agenda that they say they're fighting against.
• 6:18
  They're saying Israel is committing genocide, but they're saying globalize the Antifada,
• 6:24
  kill all the Jews, Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea, which is basically
• 6:28
  a euphemism for kill all the Jews in Israel.
• 6:31
  So they're pushing an agenda that they say they are fighting against.
• 6:36
  Now the good side, I said there was a bad and a good, the good side, I found out I think
• 6:40
  yesterday that Columbia University decided to expel all the students that took over the
• 6:49
  Butler Library at Columbia.
• 6:52
  I think it was in May, they just went in and they occupied the library and then started
• 6:59
  promoting the same nonsensical Palestinian agenda, they all got expelled and their diplomas
• 7:08
  were revoked.
• 7:09
  Now that was a big move, because we haven't seen that yet.
• 7:12
  And if you start seeing things like this, I think it's going to start making people think,
• 7:17
  hey, you know what, it's not worth me saying those things against the Jews because now I
• 7:21
  lost my diploma that I worked so hard for.
• 7:24
  So that was a big deal, I didn't really make the news, but that was a big deal.
• 7:28
  Of course, today we found out that Columbia signed a 220 million settlement with the
• 7:35
  Trump administration to agreeing that something has to be done because of all the anti-Semitism
• 7:44
  and all the things that happened against the Jewish people on campus at Columbia.
• 7:51
  But when the article I read, I think it was on JNS, it said that even though they settled
• 7:56
  for 220 million, they did not accept liability or responsibility.
• 8:02
  They did not say they were guilty of anything and just say, well, pay the fee and see if
• 8:06
  we can figure out a way to continue doing what we're doing, you know, and not be in trouble
• 8:12
  with this current administration.
• 8:14
  So again, it was in what happened in the revoke, the diplomas yesterday or the day before,
• 8:21
  I think it's just because of the pressure and the money they might be losing.
• 8:25
  There's no genuine, contrite change of hearts and that's the big problem.
• 8:31
  And part of the reason for that is underlying all of this, what we're seeing on the surface
• 8:35
  and what has come out is a spiritual battle.
• 8:39
  This is spiritual warfare, it is spiritual, it is demonic and it is regardless of what
• 8:44
  they do at the top level, the political level or the financial decisions they make, this
• 8:50
  ideology, this hatred is deeply entrenched, wouldn't you say, on the college camp, the university
• 8:56
  campus today, across America?
• 8:58
  Well, this is, it's going back, this is not something, it didn't happen on October
• 9:02
  8th.
• 9:03
  This is something that has been infecting our American campuses for probably two or three
• 9:10
  decades.
• 9:11
  The indoctrination of our students with very liberal, liberal ideologies and so that they
• 9:21
  could basically accept the work agenda in the anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian
• 9:29
  and in some cases pro-Pamas, pro-terrorist agenda without questioning anything.
• 9:35
  So this is something that's been worked on for several decades.
• 9:38
  This is what we're seeing today and I just wrote an article on my blog that I posted
• 9:42
  a couple of days ago.
• 9:45
  What we're seeing today is in the article on my blog at www.showliminmissai.com.
• 9:50
  The title is Is the World Suffering from Israel Durangement Syndrome.
• 9:55
  There it is.
• 9:59
  And this is, by the way, this is AI generated, that picture, so this is nobody we know,
• 10:06
  it's okay to use AI once in a while for illustrations, okay?
• 10:10
  I just, I don't want to get involved, this is my friend, so no, it's just AI, so relaxed.
• 10:17
  But what the message is there, and by the way, I want to give credit to the person who
• 10:23
  actually came up with the Israel Durangement Syndrome in the 80s, it was Ellen Dershowitz.
• 10:31
  That far back?
• 10:32
  Yes, and he came up with that, when I fell down, I thought, wow, this, you know, it takes
• 10:39
  us back, you know, about 40 years.
• 10:41
  Yes, he came up with the term Israel Durangement Syndrome.
• 10:44
  And of course, today most people are familiar with Trump Durangement Syndrome, but Israel
• 10:49
  Durangement Syndrome, I think, needs to be, it needs to be, it was not being used a whole
• 10:54
  lot, so I thought, you know, well, I'll give him credit, but I want to use it to describe
• 10:58
  what's going on right now, because the irrationality of what's happening in my article, I put
• 11:03
  several links to things that people would not even think of, like people putting, in
• 11:10
  Spain, people putting lights on, on stoplights on streets, when it goes green, it goes free
• 11:17
  Palestine, when it goes red, it goes, it goes kill, kill the Jews or, I mean, it's just ridiculous.
• 11:24
  People are sending the message anyway they can.
• 11:28
  And now, yesterday, talking about Spain, yesterday, 50 kids were coming back on a Spanish airplane
• 11:35
  from Jewish camp, and there were teenagers that apparently actually were very well-behaved,
• 11:41
  and it started to sing, you know, you get kids on the plane on vacation, that camp, they
• 11:45
  started to sing some Hebrew songs, the camp Hebrew songs, and they got, they were asked
• 11:52
  off the plane, they got off the plane, and the lady was actually put in handcuffs, and
• 11:58
  she was hurt, and there are stuff online on the times of Israel in different places where
• 12:04
  basically singing Hebrew songs was too much for the people, and apparently we found out
• 12:09
  that in a cockpit, the pilot had a flag of a modern style, modern flag of Palestine.
• 12:15
  So right now, anything, and that's part of the Israel-Durgeon syndrome, anything that
• 12:22
  is remotely connected to Israel or anything Jewish, becomes a reason for people to act
• 12:29
  against it, and we're going to see more of that, unfortunately.
• 12:32
  Okay, let's, let's, right there, you said we're going to see more of that, unfortunately,
• 12:36
  on the front page of your website, there's a quote by Edmund Burke, this is where we
• 12:40
  come in as Christians, what do we do?
• 12:42
  How do we respond to this?
• 12:43
  It says, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
• 12:50
  And Dietrich Bonhoeffer famously said, silence in the face of evil is itself evil.
• 12:56
  Not to speak, is to speak, not to act, is to act.
• 13:00
  And there's a picture of a woman holding a sign that says, never again.
• 13:04
  But as you just said, with the higher percentages of attacks against Jews, anti-Semitism, this
• 13:13
  off the charts today, it looks like we're going in that direction, Olivier, can you speak
• 13:19
  to that for a moment?
• 13:20
  Yes, I often say that a bystander, a bystander of somebody who just looks and doesn't
• 13:26
  act, a bystander who does nothing only facilitates the work of a perpetrator along the line of
• 13:32
  what Bonhoeffer said, and the other quote, Edmund Burke, that you mentioned, it's a personal
• 13:40
  thing to me.
• 13:41
  My grandfather, my father's father was taken away by the Gestapo and died in Auschwitz when
• 13:47
  in the building where I grew up as a kid, where my family lived in the summer of the
• 13:52
  Paris.
• 13:54
  In that building, there were several families, probably about 12 or 16 different families
• 13:59
  that lived in that U-shaped building on the Auschwitz of Paris, and every single tenant
• 14:05
  when the Gestapo came to get my grandfather, they basically stayed behind their shutters
• 14:09
  in their apartment, looking at what was happening and did nothing.
• 14:14
  And he was taken and he ended up in Auschwitz and he died in the camps.
• 14:18
  And that's just one of six million when you think about it.
• 14:22
  So we have this motto as Jews that kind of came to life after the Holocaust, I think in
• 14:31
  the late 40s, never again, as a reference to the Holocaust, let's not allow this to happen
• 14:38
  again.
• 14:39
  And here we are, I'm starting to believe that where we are right now, because of the internet
• 14:48
  and because of the globalization of the anti-Semitism, because of the internet, and because
• 14:52
  of the existence of the state of Israel, I think we are either currently, or maybe we already
• 14:58
  have, surpassing the 30s and the 40s.
• 15:02
  Outside of having camps to kill the Jews like we did in Auschwitz, which the world could
• 15:07
  probably try if they had the chance to do it, we are in the hatred against the Jews and
• 15:12
  the globalization and the demonization of the Jews, I think we're surpassing the 30s and
• 15:17
  40s.
• 15:18
  That's a sobering comment you just made.
• 15:19
  We've got to take a brief pause with Olivier Melnick, the book, can be pre-ordered on
• 15:24
  Amazon anti-Semitism in the end times we'll be right back.
• 15:29
  Introducing Patriot Mobile, the wireless carrier that stands with you, we are committed
• 15:35
  to supporting the values that make our nation great.
• 15:39
  With affordable plans and reliable nationwide coverage, Patriot Mobile is not just a wireless
• 15:45
  service.
• 15:46
  It's a call to action for those who believe in the American dream.
• 15:53
  Get free activation now with promo code, David.
• 16:02
  Hey friends, we're so thankful for all the new listeners and viewers to the podcast,
• 16:08
  World View Matters, and I want you to go, if you're new to our platforms, especially
• 16:15
  our website and the recent episodes, I want you to go look up Olivier Melnick on our
• 16:20
  website, worldofviewmatters.tv.
• 16:23
  You can now search your favorite guest or if you want to go get back stories, back archives.
• 16:29
  There it is, Olivier Melnick, you type that into the search bar, you scroll down and
• 16:33
  here we go, all the episodes that we've done in the past with Olivier, there we go, and
• 16:39
  it keeps going.
• 16:40
  I don't know, there's at least a half a dozen.
• 16:44
  Look at that.
• 16:45
  They're very similar, but there's a different information shared in each one, but now this
• 16:49
  one we're talking about, a brand new book that's coming out available on Amazon and specifically
• 16:55
  he wants that to come out October 7, but you can pre-order that now anti-Semitism in
• 17:00
  the end times.
• 17:02
  Tell us more about the book, Olivier, is this, did you condense some of your other books
• 17:08
  or did you get updated information?
• 17:10
  What did you do in putting this together?
• 17:13
  My major work on anti-Semitism until that book was this one, and times anti-Semitism,
• 17:19
  I believe you have a copy of it.
• 17:22
  It was a work that I think it stopped in 2017, so we're looking at eight more years
• 17:31
  or seven more years of work.
• 17:33
  This version is a major update from the other one with about at least 30% new material,
• 17:41
  and it takes us to the end of 2024, so it definitely covers October 7, 2023, and how
• 17:49
  really beyond the shadow of it out, October 7, 2023 change everything for Israel and for
• 17:59
  the Jewish people.
• 18:00
  This October 7, 2023 was a turning point, a point of no return for Jews globally, and
• 18:08
  it has proven to be even more so day by day.
• 18:12
  Yeah, we're seeing that in the news, as you mentioned, but I want to go back to something
• 18:17
  on the description on the Amazon page.
• 18:19
  It says anti-Semitism in the end times provides a roadmap for Christians seeking to understand
• 18:26
  and confront this age-old prejudice.
• 18:29
  Let's stop right there, Olivia.
• 18:32
  Before we run out of time here, how do we get, now this might be a silly question for
• 18:36
  some mature Bible-believing Christians, but how do we get more churches and more Christians
• 18:42
  to understand the support that believers should have for Israel?
• 18:48
  How do we get that into the churches?
• 18:51
  Because aren't we missing something there?
• 18:54
  The answer, if you really want the real answer, it's three words.
• 18:58
  You ready?
• 18:59
  Let's read your Bible.
• 19:05
  So profound.
• 19:06
  It can't be that simple.
• 19:08
  It is that simple.
• 19:10
  It is that if you read, no, David, seriously, if you read your Bible from a literal grammatical
• 19:18
  historical consistent hermeneutics, which other people might call dispensationalism or
• 19:26
  dispensationalists, but really without scaring people away with words that they don't understand,
• 19:32
  but they don't want to be connected with.
• 19:35
  Consistent literal grammatical historical context, you get the idea that Israel is in God's
• 19:45
  plan.
• 19:46
  I mean, after all, the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, has 11 chapters for mankind
• 19:50
  and 39 chapters out of 50, 39 chapters to explain the patriarchs of Israel and the 12 tribes
• 19:57
  in the whole history of the Israel and several of the covenants that God made with the Jewish
• 20:03
  people are still in place today.
• 20:05
  So it's critical to understand that God has a plan for the Jews, a plan for Israel.
• 20:09
  It does not give Jewish people automatic salvation by virtue of being Jews.
• 20:14
  No, they still need to put their trust in the death and resurrection of Yeshua of Nazareth
• 20:19
  for their salvation.
• 20:20
  But this being said, Israel is going to be in God's plan all throughout the ages and so
• 20:25
  much so at the end of the seven-year tribulation, when the Jewish people say Baruch Habab
• 20:30
  Hashem at the night, those who have survived the tribulation, look up and say Baruch Habab
• 20:35
  Hashem at the night.
• 20:36
  Blessed is you.
• 20:37
  Comes the name of the Lord.
• 20:38
  That's when Yeshua Jesus returns, establishes the messianic Millennial Kingdom and Satan
• 20:45
  knows that when Jesus returns, He's not going to become Jesus of the assistant.
• 20:50
  He's going to be thrown in the lake of fire and brimstone.
• 20:52
  He doesn't want to go there.
• 20:54
  So, hey, if the Jews don't call Jesus, Jesus doesn't come back.
• 20:58
  Let's work on that and He's been working on that for thousands of years.
• 21:01
  And that's why anti-Semitism is there.
• 21:04
  So a lot of people in the church just, you know, they blanket everything with Genesis
• 21:09
  12-3 as important as that verse and that contextual idea is that God will bless those who
• 21:15
  bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.
• 21:19
  What you said is very important a few seconds ago, the covenants.
• 21:24
  How many times in the Bible does God mention an everlasting covenant, right?
• 21:30
  I mean, this means like a forever covenant.
• 21:33
  Talk to us a little bit about that.
• 21:35
  Right.
• 21:36
  There are eight covenants in the Bible, five of them made with Israel, three made with
• 21:41
  mankind, of the five made with Israel, four are unconditional and eternal.
• 21:48
  The one that's not eternal and conditional is the Mosaic covenant.
• 21:52
  It's the law.
• 21:53
  It's a discipline for disobedience, blessing for obedience, all the others, the Abrahamic,
• 21:59
  which is the foundation for much of the Bible, the Abrahamic, the Len covenant, the
• 22:04
  Davidic covenant and the new covenant, all those four are connected and they're all unconditional
• 22:10
  and eternal.
• 22:11
  Unconditional means nothing that Israel has to do is going to change that covenant.
• 22:18
  God made the covenant with Israel by saying, not if you will, I will, that would be unconditional,
• 22:23
  but he simply said, I will by my name, I will because of my name, I will.
• 22:29
  And so that makes it very different because it's based on God's character and not Israel's
• 22:34
  performance than God for that.
• 22:36
  So when people come in and try to push the false doctrine of replacement theology and
• 22:43
  say, well, God said that, but now obviously since the Jews blew it, rejected Jesus, he
• 22:48
  has passed on the blessings on to the church.
• 22:51
  And by the way, just the blessings, not the curses, that's for that, that's just another
• 22:56
  podcast.
• 22:57
  Right.
• 22:58
  Yes.
• 22:59
  That's some of the blessings on to the church and Israel has been rejected.
• 23:02
  Then you make God into a covenant breaker, which he cannot be because God doesn't lie.
• 23:07
  God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
• 23:09
  We get that from Scripture, from Hebrews, and you make him into a liar.
• 23:13
  So you cannot do that.
• 23:15
  Those covenants, the covenants are critical, they're foundational.
• 23:18
  If you understand the covenants of the Bible, you will get much of the Bible and you'll
• 23:22
  see that Israel is through all the Bible and you not only cannot ignore the Jewish people,
• 23:28
  but you're going to start loving them because you want to be in God's will.
• 23:31
  Amen.
• 23:32
  Back to those three words.
• 23:33
  You had me at Read Your Bible.
• 23:35
  So three minutes left in the book there, you say this, this long standing hatred has taken
• 23:43
  on its most insidious and lethal form yet.
• 23:47
  What did you mean by that?
• 23:50
  Well, basically, it is the right now we're seeing a convergence of anti-Semitism and all
• 24:05
  the signs are coming together where anti-Semitism and the end times is becoming lethal.
• 24:11
  It's the final push by Satan, basically, to get rid of the Jews so that Jesus won't
• 24:15
  come back.
• 24:16
  Christians need to go to the Jewish friends and say, I'm here for you, I will, if I need
• 24:22
  to shelter you, help you, feed you, just a modern version of the sheep and the goat
• 24:30
  that will take place during the tribulation, we can act on that today.
• 24:33
  So really quick, you mentioned something before we got on the podcast, Sarah, we only have
• 24:37
  two minutes left about France and this declaration, could you really mention that real quick?
• 24:42
  Yes.
• 24:43
  Now what's happening is I just got that like today, Emmanuel Macron made an official statement
• 24:52
  saying that in September at the General Assembly of the United Nations in New York takes place
• 24:56
  every year, he will, France will officially declare a recognized Palestine as a nation,
• 25:03
  not the Palestinian Authority that we've called it, which it is right now.
• 25:08
  But Macron basically is, I think, inviting the rest of the world to say, let's recognize
• 25:16
  Palestine, join me in this, he's making, and I could be wrong on that, it's just a guess
• 25:21
  of mine that he's making that official, he didn't have to talk about it, but by saying
• 25:26
  this right now, he's giving a chance to all those who want to do the same at the United
• 25:30
  Nations to join forces and say, hey, it's not just France, it's a lot of countries, but
• 25:35
  France has a lot of weight, it's a big country, it's a, you know, there, you know, so we'll
• 25:39
  see.
• 25:40
  That's something to be followed.
• 25:41
  Yes, something to keep an eye out for Olivia, thank you again for all your work, Shalom
• 25:44
  in Messiah.com, friends, make sure to go to Amazon and check out, you can pre-order anti-Semitism
• 25:50
  in the end times, brother, thank you for your voice, thank you for all you do, Lord willing,
• 25:56
  we'll do this again in the near future.
• 25:59
  Thank you for having me.
• 26:00
  You're most welcome.
• 26:02
  My friends, thank you for sharing the podcast, look up past episodes with Olivia at World
• 26:06
  View Matters.tv.
• 26:08
  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.