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Beyond The Field: How Athletes Shape Their Life After the NFL · Get Real with Jim Weiss

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  Speaker 1: Okay, Hi Jim, what a day?
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  Speaker 2: What a day? I know, I feel a little tired.
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  Speaker 3: You had a lot of conversations today. I did tell
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  Speaker 3: me some highlights.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was a really good way to get starter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the little play on the words. The Starter
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  Speaker 4: Lounge is a blast. This is like another level, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's another level of people and excitement. Plus it's my
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  Speaker 4: hometown right now, right, San Francisco, So that's especially cool.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody seems so excited to be here at the Starterhouse.
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  Speaker 2: Two.
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  Speaker 3: We have like music blasting everybody coming in and out.
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  Speaker 2: It's like an exciting spouse.
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  Speaker 4: All people love to shop, you know, right, what else?
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  Speaker 4: And you know they get to design their own thing here.
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  Speaker 4: And Starter stuff is so different and so special, right,
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  Speaker 4: I mean there's nothing like a Starter jacket.
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  Speaker 2: And right, they're so cool at your super Bowl I know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to hear about your two conversations
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  Speaker 3: with Anton Barnes and with Jonathan Stewart. Start with Anton,
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  Speaker 3: what he's such a change maker, but what resonated with you?
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  Speaker 3: He talked about supporting the individual, He talked about financial
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  Speaker 3: literacy what.
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  Speaker 4: Like what Look it's a hot topic, right, So especially
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  Speaker 4: with nil coming on. So it's even a bigger copic
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  Speaker 4: for kids coming into college. Most of these kids are
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  Speaker 4: not they're trained to be athletes, they're not trained to
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  Speaker 4: be business people or whatnot. I think it's better than
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  Speaker 4: it used to be, but I think there is a
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  Speaker 4: challenge when you I thought, you know, both conversations were
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  Speaker 4: symbiotic because you leave the NFL and you, let's say
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  Speaker 4: you've reached the pinnacle, gotten to the super Bowl or
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs. What's it like to go back into regular
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  Speaker 4: life where you're selling real estate, you know, and you're
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  Speaker 4: in the grind, you know, and it's something they've been
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  Speaker 4: sheltered from to some degree. I mean, that was what
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  Speaker 4: a lot of I was getting from, you know, both
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  Speaker 4: conversations really that they're very regimented lives, as you know,
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  Speaker 4: elite athletes at college, you know, first high school, then college,
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  Speaker 4: then you know, the NFL and NBA or whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: But the point being, you know, they don't really feel.
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  Speaker 4: As prepared for the real world as it were, because
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  Speaker 4: this isn't real. I mean, that's this is just not reality.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's celebrity too.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have to go back to your hometown and
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  Speaker 3: figure out what you want to do with your life.
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  Speaker 3: For the major there's so many football players, right.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's pawing over you. But you know, you know how
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  Speaker 4: this goes like you're forgotten. You know, once you're back there,
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  Speaker 4: you're just a regular guy for the most part. So
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  Speaker 4: Anton's business is a really interesting business where he, you know,
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  Speaker 4: helps these guys make that transition. Successfully talked about doing
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  Speaker 4: it with Vernon Davis, who's a local, right, he was
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco forty nine er.
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  Speaker 2: We've worked with him by the Agio.
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  Speaker 4: On the Smeirnov brand, I think, couple other brands, but
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  Speaker 4: he's a great example of somebody who I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even get into this with with our second guest
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  Speaker 4: because yeah, I understand he's uh, not only a photographer,
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  Speaker 4: but he's into painting and other things.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't get it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we can't get into all the stuff we
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  Speaker 4: want to get into in a much shorter format.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, always cool though with the other guys.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan was that he Jonathan Stewart.
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan Stewart played in the Super Bowl ten years ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. Yeah, cool to like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go down memory lane about.
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  Speaker 3: And he said he had some big point.
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  Speaker 4: He only he had the only touchdown that the Carolina
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  Speaker 4: Panthers scored against the Denver Broncos. That Denver beat them
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  Speaker 4: pretty handily, but he was the only, you know, one who.
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  Speaker 2: Scored in that game.
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  Speaker 4: So the lesson here, because we're in the backdrop of
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  Speaker 4: the super Bowl, the reality is we talk about get real.
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  Speaker 4: The reality is that it's not what the public thinks
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  Speaker 4: it is, and it's not what it's cracked up to be.
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  Speaker 4: They deal with a lot of the same crowd up
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  Speaker 4: that everybody else deals with, and in some ways it's
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  Speaker 4: more pronounced because they're so deified right and pedestaled for.
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  Speaker 2: So long, and then they're not. And you know what's
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  Speaker 2: life like after that?
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  Speaker 3: How do they get real about life when they're out
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  Speaker 3: of the routine, back to living a normal existence.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know everything's going to be all right,
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  Speaker 4: is sort of you know how Jonathan that was his song.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he thinks that that's the soundtractor's life. And
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  Speaker 4: that's great, you know, because I think he does have
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  Speaker 4: an optimist view and entrepreneurship.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm sure it's not like that for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: This is such an exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Day Okay, we're here at the Starter Lounge. We pulled
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  Speaker 4: in and Tom Barnes from the street man on the
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  Speaker 4: street to thank you for coming to Yeah, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 4: we got you.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you know what's it's good. You know we like
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  Speaker 4: to talk about healthier, so you were being healthy. So
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  Speaker 4: we're very excited to be all right everyone, we're back
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  Speaker 4: in the Starter Lounge getting real with Jim Weiss.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: We we pulled in Anton Barnes, founder of the Founder,
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  Speaker 4: owner CEO Brand.
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  Speaker 2: Architects based in Washington, Washington, d C. Which is great.
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  Speaker 2: You came a long way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we've caught you, you know, working out exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I do appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: So here's so knowing that you're in that outfort, we
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  Speaker 4: were going to put you in one of these for
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  Speaker 4: the show. Right, everyone has to wear a starter jacket,
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  Speaker 4: as you see. I have my you know Syracuse.
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  Speaker 2: Let's stand ups like the green jacket.
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  Speaker 1: There we don't all right now now now I'm living
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  Speaker 1: more present.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't really.
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  Speaker 4: Well. I'm excited to talk to you because I think
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  Speaker 4: you do something so relevant to what is how oppening
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  Speaker 4: here at the game. So you know, obviously the Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl is about the big Game, but there's so much
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  Speaker 4: more we get to do now in the days and
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  Speaker 4: even weeks leading up to it. So tell us a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about what Brand Architects does, what's the mission,
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  Speaker 4: what's the why? Why'd you get in it?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the reason why I started the Brand Architects. I
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  Speaker 5: started this company about fifteen years ago. Prior to that,
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  Speaker 5: I was a top record executive in the music industry,
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  Speaker 5: so I worked with Rockefeller Records, Loud Records, Universal Motown,
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  Speaker 5: a number of big, big time artists, and being on
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  Speaker 5: that side of the industry, I met a lot of
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  Speaker 5: athletes like I actually worked the Allen Iverson Project Wow, Project,
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  Speaker 5: a number of other ones, and I would have conversations
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  Speaker 5: with athletes. Back then, we were to gate keepers to
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  Speaker 5: the artists, like you know, you didn't have social media, right,
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  Speaker 5: so a lot of the top athletes wanted to go
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  Speaker 5: get the VIP treatment when Nelly or somebody was in town,
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  Speaker 5: so they had to go through me. So I would
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  Speaker 5: meet people all the time. In one client, one person
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  Speaker 5: in particular, Vernon Davis, very great.
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  Speaker 4: We had start power work with him on smearing off
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  Speaker 4: with Diagio. He's awesome. I've just spend some time at
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  Speaker 4: a couple of Super Bowls with him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I was at the playoff game when you
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  Speaker 5: went crazy with Alex Smith, so I still remember those days.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. And I'm a forty nine er guy too.
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  Speaker 1: Hey listen, they almost made it.
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  Speaker 5: They injuries almost you know, they almost there all the time,
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  Speaker 5: so that you can oh, you can never sleep on
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  Speaker 5: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: So how did you get connected to Vernon Davis?
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, just being in a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: same night clubs and being in the same maren and
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  Speaker 5: now I'll have conversations with him. And Vernon was always unique,
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  Speaker 5: which is what I love about him. He was like, Anton,
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  Speaker 5: I want to be known for more than just being
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  Speaker 5: a fast athlete, a fast.
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  Speaker 1: Tight end or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: There's other things I want to do, like painting. I'm like, well, wow,
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  Speaker 5: who's doing that for you? And He's like, well, my agent, nobody,
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  Speaker 5: nobody really was doing it. So I marinated on him
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  Speaker 5: some time because at the time like okay, well maybe
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  Speaker 5: we'll do something later. About a nine months later, I
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  Speaker 5: decided to walk away from the music industry because it
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  Speaker 5: effect it was affecting my mental health, to be honest
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  Speaker 5: with you, Yeah, I mean a lot of people want
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  Speaker 5: to get in the music industry and think it's all
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  Speaker 5: fun and games, and it's not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 5: I have three good friends that committed suicide make a
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  Speaker 5: lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: So what's going on there? What is the reason?
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  Speaker 1: Pressure?
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  Speaker 2: Pressure?
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  Speaker 1: You got pressure? And then also it's a very cutthroat industry.
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  Speaker 5: You really don't have any friends, You really don't and
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  Speaker 5: that right there creates a lot of pressure, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because you don't know who to trust. But then also
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  Speaker 5: the competition back then was intense labels. We were spending
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  Speaker 5: millions of dollars to get five more spends than another artist, right, So,
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  Speaker 5: and I saw the similarities in sports.
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  Speaker 1: So when I walked away.
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  Speaker 5: I took about a year off and I thought about, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: how how does this really match with sports? We would
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  Speaker 5: basically have an artist who sold millions of records that
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  Speaker 5: would talk through to we talked about on the conference,
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  Speaker 5: well next week we wouln't talk about them.
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  Speaker 1: They're rerrelevant.
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  Speaker 5: And I saw the similarities as sports, like okay, if
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  Speaker 5: you blow your knee out, what do you do? And
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  Speaker 5: who's helping you with that transition mentally to prepare yourself
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  Speaker 5: for when the league is done with you, because a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these guys have been taught just to be
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  Speaker 5: athletes since they were ten, eleven, twelve years old. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: they don't even they have no idea on what he
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  Speaker 5: could possibly be outside of sports, you know. So I
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  Speaker 5: was like, you know what, I'm gonna start this company.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, Vernon was my first guy. We started
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  Speaker 5: an interior design company.
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  Speaker 4: What a really great guy that got started with. That's
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  Speaker 4: kind of starting on top.
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  Speaker 1: Right, It really was, It really was, And that's what you.
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  Speaker 2: Need to get a business gone, because yeah, you do you.
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  Speaker 5: Do, especially your own business. I didn't want to work
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  Speaker 5: for nobody again I heard it doing that. No, I've
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  Speaker 5: been there, done that, and always had the entrepreneurial ship.
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  Speaker 5: So at the Brand Architects, that was our main thing, Like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's get athletes not to be known as athletes anymore. Right, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's highlight them painting cook whatever it is, because there's
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  Speaker 5: gonna come a day where you cannot perform as an
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  Speaker 5: athlete and that transition happens.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with a lot of these guys is that.
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  Speaker 5: They deal with identity crisis, and I'm sure you know
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  Speaker 5: what that means. Oh yeah, they don't know what how
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  Speaker 5: to identify, you know. They're like, okay, they don't have anybody.
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  Speaker 5: They've had someone tell them where to go, what.
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  Speaker 1: To do, how to do.
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  Speaker 2: They've gotten a lot of support. Right now, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get out there.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, and maybe some of them didn't finish college,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and that's another issue, right so and.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of the people that were around are going now.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, okay, how do I prepare myself mentally?
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  Speaker 5: But not just mentally. We educate them on how to
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  Speaker 5: you know, formulate LLC's formulate get their own five and
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  Speaker 5: one c threes. Now, don't advise, get your own foundations. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's get your own business entities. Let's get you media
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  Speaker 5: talking about cooking, not how many tackles you had. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's explore those other entities of who you are that
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  Speaker 5: you've always been curious about, but no one's ever been
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  Speaker 5: there to draw it out of them, right, see.
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  Speaker 2: What I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, a lot of times people
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  Speaker 1: want to subside that.
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  Speaker 2: And how does an athlete find you? Like, how do
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  Speaker 2: is it all? Word? Of mouth. I mean, are you
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  Speaker 2: marketing it? I mean, what are you doing a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of times word of mouth? And then just the work
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  Speaker 5: we do. I like to let our work speak for itself.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm just this is rare for me, but
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  Speaker 5: a lot of my clients are like, you need to
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  Speaker 5: get out and talk more. Yeah, docause one thing about me.
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  Speaker 5: I don't sugarcoat how the real how really this industry
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  Speaker 5: is okay? And you know I focus on the player
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  Speaker 5: and that's all we care about.
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  Speaker 4: So you listen to what they want to build, become
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  Speaker 4: become the entrepreneur. What are give me an exact? So
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  Speaker 4: you have the Vernon Davis one, what give me an
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  Speaker 4: example lately?
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  Speaker 5: Like Rodney McLeod. Rodney McLeod was a thirteen year NFL
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  Speaker 5: veteran won the Super Bowl with the Eagles one the
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  Speaker 5: first one with him and literally Rodney he retired last
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  Speaker 5: year the Browns won him to come back. Now, Rodney
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  Speaker 5: wasn't the biggest safety, the fastest safety, but he was
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  Speaker 5: the smartest.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So Rodney always had a thing about fashion. So instead
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  Speaker 5: of him wearing other people's clothing line, we started his
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  Speaker 5: own clothing line back of House four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: But then also Rodney. Rodney is very intelligent.
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  Speaker 5: Rodney knew coming into the league because he was an
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  Speaker 5: undrafted free agent. Okay, coming into Saint Louis, he knew.
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  Speaker 5: He always had a chip on his shoulder. But he
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  Speaker 5: always knew that, Okay, I need to start planning seeds
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  Speaker 5: now for what I'm gonna do when I'm done. And
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  Speaker 5: he wanted to get in the broadcaster, so I would
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  Speaker 5: get him on the other side of the mic and
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  Speaker 5: with that him being able to plant that seed.
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  Speaker 1: He had a job for ESPN.
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  Speaker 5: Literally, he didn't He didn't skip a Sunday basically putting
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  Speaker 5: the tea like that, like he brought. He broadcast college
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  Speaker 5: game days every weekend. Now, so last year he was
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  Speaker 5: on the football field. This year he's in the booth
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  Speaker 5: broadcasting college.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't skip a beat.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I mean we have I haven't Mere Abdulah, that's
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  Speaker 5: going to be here tomorrow. I'm he's flying in tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Emir wants to get into TV production. You know, he's
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  Speaker 5: a sleven year veterans. I have him talking to movie
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  Speaker 5: and TV producers, you know, actors like you know, I
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  Speaker 5: don't care about football. I'll be honest, I don't care.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't go to the Super Bowl. Last year has played,
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I haven't been to a game in seven
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  Speaker 5: years because I really don't care about the NFL. I
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  Speaker 5: don't I care about the individual and how we could
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  Speaker 5: use the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: How do you monetize that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a you know, we have mutual.
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  Speaker 5: Percentage, but then we also have retainer fees that are
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  Speaker 5: comfortable within their clients. Because that's something else that we
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  Speaker 5: teach them how they write that off. You need a
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  Speaker 5: lot of stuff. You guys are making some money. You
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  Speaker 5: need to learn how to write some stuff off. So
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  Speaker 5: we teach them that also that mess.
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  Speaker 2: Do you pick them up as they're leaving the league
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  Speaker 2: or you know before that or I got to Kobe
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  Speaker 2: Dean his rookie year. Wow, do we think we're now
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  Speaker 2: going to have to do this for college kids?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's getting the nil That's another topic that
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  Speaker 1: because you're.
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  Speaker 4: You're talking about people forget coming out of college, coming
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  Speaker 4: out of You.
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  Speaker 1: Got kids coming out of high school getting in.
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  Speaker 5: I got a sixteen year old that's getting a million
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  Speaker 5: dollars worth of NIL proposers in high school.
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  Speaker 1: But see a lot of times too.
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  Speaker 5: They don't have the financial etiquette, in the financial literacy,
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  Speaker 5: and their parents don't.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, there's no fault of it.
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  Speaker 2: My thing is like, you deal with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: parents or not. Yeah, I bet you did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But the thing is too though, I don't want them
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  Speaker 5: to be dependent on me. I want to teach them.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean. It's like I don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want them saying architect right. So that's why.
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  Speaker 4: It's not you're not necessarily holding their hands through the
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  Speaker 4: whole time.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be holding your head for ten years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, then I'm then I failed at my job.
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  Speaker 5: But then also too, I want them to like when
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  Speaker 5: they do interviews, we do that media. So let's say,
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  Speaker 5: if you're interviewing one of my guys, yes, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: be I want you to tell me what you're gonna
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  Speaker 5: talk to them about, right, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, And they're not going to ask this curveball.
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  Speaker 5: Question about his busines. This is you're gonna tak about
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  Speaker 5: his foundation. You're going to talk about what he wants
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  Speaker 5: to do. Often talk about the person. Because I'll be
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  Speaker 5: honest with you. You'll get a better interview when you
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  Speaker 5: get personal with them. Okay, they get tired of talk
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  Speaker 5: them about exit and no, right, they get bored.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, seriously, we've got to talk about this again.
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  Speaker 5: So a lot of it, there's a lot of behind
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  Speaker 5: the scenes work and a lot of prep that goes
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: behind it as well, in order to create value and
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: retain clients. For I've had clients for ten years.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I've had clients for twenty. See what I mean. You
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: know what it's about. Well, you know, you have to
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: stay fresh.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with these clients, they're not going to keep you
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: around if you're not bringing them good ideas. Right imagine
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: you're right, But they have ideas they come to you
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: with and you help them live the dream out.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: But we also help them evolve as well too. That's
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing. I think, that's the most important thing
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: that I take personal. I want to see them involve
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: as men. Yeah, okay, there comes.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: A cutoff time where you can evolve as an athlete.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, And that's what thirty something years old, you're still
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: you're still a young man.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: With the advent of the w n b A and
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: other women's sports are. You're going to have some women clients.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Not yet working on it?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: All right, good because women are smarter.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Right here, you have a client, Donathan Cacius is one
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: of our clients. We're starting a female flag football league
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: because flag football we.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: All know, is going to be in the Olympics. Yeah,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: he's about to do. We're about to start a league in.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, breaking out there you go.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: So it's like, okay, let's think ahead of the curve. Okay,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: let's not be a part of the curve.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I'm really committed to that last question. And this is it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I always I always asked us, what what do you
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: really want to get real about with me? Today? Leave
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: us with something you want to get real about.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Let's be real about the individuals, not the athletes. Let's
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: be real about what they need, not what the industry needs.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: You see what I mean?
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Do what's best for their healthy You're a product.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: There's no NFL without it's right, Okay. See, people have
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: it misconstrued, they have it confused. Okay, and that's one
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: thing we tell our guys.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it and appreciate you. I'm so glad
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: you came in and we're going to be in all right, Well,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I know, all right, so excited to do this.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really cool that you are going to spend
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: a few minutes with us here, so you're coming all
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: the way from Charlotte, San Francisco. So pretty amazing that
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: you were here.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Is it now? Is it exactly ten years? It's exactly
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: ten years you.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Scored the only touchdown from the Carolina Carolina Panthers in
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, number fifty.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Now we're at sixty. I mean, I can really start
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: to track my age me too, basically how I tracked
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: how old I am? Okay, what are you thirty five?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I'm thirty eight? Yeah, okay, so yeah you look good
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: now twenty eight years old. I was here, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: with the with the dream in mind of winning the
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, of course, you know, making it to the
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and ten years past, it's I've finally gotten
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: to the point where I feel I've always felt grateful,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: but I really have a sense of gratitude for being
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: able to accomplish that, you know, being able to score
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a touchdown in the Super Bowl. It's also awesome as well.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: What's it mean to be back in San Francisco, you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: commemorating ten years since.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: You were here playing in the in the Super Bowl.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: It means a lot. You know, I didn't really think
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: about it before I left. My wife was actually saying,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: you know, this is for full circle. She was explaining
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: it to our daughters because obviously they weren't born.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I have two daughters, a Kayenne Nora. How old are the.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: One's going on nine, one's five years old? Sweet, So
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: they weren't around when I was playing football. Really so,
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: so my wife was explaining to them, you know that
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: he's going to San Francisco's on a little work trip,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: and it's a full circle moment because Daddy, you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: last time there was a football game he had did
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: it there.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: He was in a super Bowl, but it was a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: work trip then.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: It was definitely a work trip there, and you know
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: we didn't necessarily do a good job at our work
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: to walk, you know, come away with the victory. But
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: you know I do since I do have a sense
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: of gratitude, you know, ten years removed. At some point
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: you do have to at some point you do have to,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: you know, pick up the pieces and say, you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Know what, not a lot of people get the chance
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to score a touchdown in the Super Bowl.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: No, we're gonna make you feel good about that, because
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you know we're in the starter lounge and we have
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to start always by putting you in uniform.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get me right, Taylor.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Goes, what's it like to play in the Super Bowl?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I mean take out the result? You know, don't. Let's
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: not worry about that. Is it like surreal? It is
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: a little bit surreal, and you know it's you prepare
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: all your life to reach the pinnacle, to reach that
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: opportunity to reach you know, the glory, I guess.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean there's nothing bigger, right, and you're bigger than
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: than the Super Bowl.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: I mean you can really kind of match it up
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: against other sports and still say there's nothing like winning
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: a Super Bowl. You know, you got eleven guys on
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: your team going against another eleven guys, and everybody has
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: to be on the same page, not just in that game,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: but the preparation leading up to and everything that has
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: that you've done that's gotten you to that point in
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: that season, right, And then you can stack it upon
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: previous seasons, off the previous season's draft, free agency, coaching scheme,
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: all the things, injuries, it all amounts to being in
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: that moment. And only thing I can say about, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: the super Bowl is it's almost like it's like climbing
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: a mountain.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Coach Rivera he explained it perfectly, and when I heard
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: him say it in an interview, I was like, Wow,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that's exactly it. And it's like climbing a mountain. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: you know, once you get up there, you're going to
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: be super satisfied. And you know that you've you've got
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: all the resources, you got everything that you need on
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: your buckle, on your strap to get you to that mountain,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: to get you to get you all the way to
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: the top. And then the moment that you get up there,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: you realize, oh, there's a peak. I don't have the
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: tools for that, and so there's disappointment, right, And I
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: think you know a lot of guys with me. I mean,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: I was with Luke and Greg, you know, a couple
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: of months ago and we were just talking about, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl and you know, this is being this
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: being the anniversary year of us getting there, and we
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: kind of talked about it here and there, certain interviews and.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Stuff like that, and I've never.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I haven't not yet watched the full episode, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: the actual full game.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can see why you might not want.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: To watch glimpses here and there, like things that I
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: see on TV, little snippets that people tag me in
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: on social media. But there's something about really coming to GRIPS.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not ready to come to Grips with it yet.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, okay, so we still haven't. But there's a process. Right,
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: It's like grieving almost because it means that much to you.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: You know, you play this game because you want to win.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: You play this game because God blessed you with the
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: platform to be able to encourage and entice people to
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: do something greater, to do something bigger than themselves. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: that feeling of like letting a city down, the feeling
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: of letting that that kid that had your jersey since
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: you were drafted down, and it's and and and part
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: of healing is it's just coming to GRIPS, but also
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: having those experiences with the fans that remember those days. Right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: that's why it's cool to have the ten year anniversary
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: to where you can talk about it and people can
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: reminisce and people can, you know, give you a little
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: round of applause here for just doing the things that
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: you did do during that time, because it does help healing, right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: And I think that's not talked about enough for a
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: lot of guys that I'll spend countless years moments, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: chasing this thing and then not coming up with it,
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: especially the guys that are right there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Right, you know, I would imagine it's hard both ways.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, you know, what's like
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: ten years later, you're no longer playing. That's an everything,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you know, how do you make the transition from that
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: reality to where you are in the real world now?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Because I mean, my podcast is about getting real. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: mean it must be. Is it like getting cold water
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: splashed on your face?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Sir? What's it like? You know?
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: I would say it's like a water hose drinking out
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: of a water hose. You know, there is a lot
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: that you know, you're not necessarily prepared for because you're
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: football football, football, and right single we were just talking
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: about that, schedules aligned towards being the best football player,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: being the best teammate that you can possibly be, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: you're in the.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Best shape of your life probably right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Absolutely so, your mind's ticking differently, your sleeps operating differently,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: so you're you're in tip top shape in your mind
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: for what it's worth and for what you know, you're
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: operating on all cylinders right, And it doesn't until you
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: remove yourself from you know, having the schedule, having everything
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: be essentially about you, like you know, whatever I ate,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: whatever I said yes or no to, all surrounding itself
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: around my practice, my preparation and offseason and my games.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: So you think about, you know, the timeline of having
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: to dedicate yourself to a craft and then all of
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: a sudden it be stripped away. You know, we have
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: to figure out ways to be there for those guys
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: that struggle, and it has been a struggle. Part of
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: it is towards the latter end of your career, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: have to be real with yourself. You can't sit here
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: and chase ghost and you have to let reality sink
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: in that everything comes to an end, bad and good.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And so you know, for me, I had luckily, I
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: had you know, people on my corner. I had my mentors,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I had my business partners that kind of prepared me
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: for this exit. And even with preparation, you know, like
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking to myself, Oh, I'm going to go into
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: real estate. And then I get into real estate and
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: then it's like, oh, I like business. So now everything busy,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: this that you know circulates around real estate and now
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: becomes a whole nother opportunity. So you're you're in this
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: moment of like, yeah, I have access to things, but
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: it's overwhelming, really overwhelming.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But wait, so football was too.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's stuff that you learned playing football
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: that helped you make this transition?
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: And because it's discipline, right, yeah, you know, you take
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: what you're you know, what you're used to and what
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: you're accustomed to as far as you know, finding your
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: schedule that's the biggest part. You know, when you retire,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: you have to figure out like what's gonna what's gonna
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: motivate me to do the next thing? And working out.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: I know how to work out, and so I wake
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: up every morning.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Right, You're doing a pretty intense regimen now, right, so.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I just finished up a twenty eight
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: day challenge, which is the number is twenty eight, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: you know, circulating around running twenty eight and you know
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: it's it's it's all about you know, finding that that
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: zap and if everything works together, you have to start
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: off on the right foot. And I think you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: being a football player, we always started on the right foot.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: You wake up early, then, earlier than anybody in the city,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: and you get to the stadium and you eat breakfast,
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: you fellowship, you prepare for your day, You work out,
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: you stretch, you get rehab.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You take care of your.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Body, because the thing that God gave you is your body,
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: the temple. So you take care of that. Now you
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: feel accomplished. And then next and then the next thing
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: you do is you take care of your family. Right,
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: That's what I have access to now at a thirty
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: eight year old, as that a lot of people at
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: thirty eight don't have access. No, no, no, you're young and no,
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: and so being able to do that, you know, show
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: up in phases, you know, take my kids to school,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: be there for them when I you know, you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: later in the day, and and and hanging out with them,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: playing barbies, doing all those types of things. And you're
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: finding your purpose by just doing the things that are
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: in front of you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Right, and you've stayed close to the game, right, you're
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: in your profession.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: So yeah, so now I've gotten to the you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: it took me a while to realize.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I've never really been a person that talks.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: And you ask the media and Charlotte, oh h, Jonathan
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: starts doing a podcast now.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: He never talked to us when he was playing. So
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: is the podcast focused on? Do you have it specifically
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: focused on a certain thing? So, so I do several podcasts.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I do stuff for Believe Network that cover sports and
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: so the Oregon Ducks and the Carolina Panthers, and then
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I do one for the Panthers, the actual team. It's
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: called Stu and the Crew.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: And so I basically have you know guys that I
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: played with, older, older Panther players that people recognize and
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: and and love, have them come on the pod and
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: they talk and we talk about what they're doing, what
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: they're into now and you know, uh, you know, memory
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: lane and those types of things.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: And then I have one with Kenyon Barner, who play
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: for the Working Ducks as well, and we do one
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: called Ducts of a Feather. And so it's really cool
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: because that, to me is really what made me light podcasting.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Is that interaction that I have with him. That's what
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: it's all about. It's about me. It's about this. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: feel like I'm in a living room right now and
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: we're just hanging you and we're you know, we have
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: you know, similar interests, we have similar takes, and sometimes
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: we don't have similar takes, and that's cool and it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: and it helps you stretch, it helps you grow. So
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: that's what I love most about you know, podcasting is
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: you get a chance to not only challenge yourself, but
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: you get a chance to get to know other people
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: on a deeper understanding. And you're doing a certa nervous
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: to them and to the fanship. That's you know, responding
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: of bringing connection, right, how do we bring connection?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And what type of connection is that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: So my audience is very much B two B corporate, Right,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: It's guys on that listen to me are thinking about
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: how they're going to promote their brands. When you're thinking
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: about how you want to do that using your cloud
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: and image and accomplishments, what do you look for?
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: What?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: What do you look for in a brand partnership? I
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: mean what kind of things are you looking to? And
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: that could also mean nonprofits? Is much just profits because
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people come after you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I mean it's all about alignment, right, you know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: what do you believe in and what do you stand for?
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: You know, it's one thing to believe, because you can
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: believe quietly, you know, but standing it's a physical thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: And sometimes your call to be you know, front facing
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: on those types of you know, and involvement and interaction.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: So a lot of it is alignment with all of that, right,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: because you can't truly be yourself if you're not aligned.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: You can't truly take someone who's in their car and
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: relate to them unless you're being honest, right, And so
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: you know, the partnerships.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And and and and whatnot, and you know, the guests
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that you might have on a podcast, and.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I even think about like I'm an I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: an I'm in the I'm an entrepreneur as well, so
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: the investment space, like that's where I'm really thriving, you know.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: And so when you talk about trusting someone with your capital,
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: trusting someone with you know, a vision, you know, it
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: all comes down to alignment, Like can I be so
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: honest with you to ask you the questions that I
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: have to make me feel comfortable you better, right, you know?
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: And if I don't feel that energy, then it's probably
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: not a good deal for me to invest with you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: It might be a good investment, but just not for me.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I mean I feel that way.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I think if you do anything for the numbers of
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: the money, you know it usually anything I've ever done
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: for the money is gone wrong.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: That's the purpose, or it makes it makes you feel
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: good in the moment, right, but you know it better
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: than anybody.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Feeling good is not the result. No, no way, no
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: way that is. So what do you do in health?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I mean how you know? This is the focus.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: A lot of my podcast is on prevention and longevity,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: you know. And you're a young guy, so you probably
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: aren't thinking about this as much, but maybe you are.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: So when I retired, I became a member at Carmel
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Country Club. Shout out to Carmel Country Club in Charlotte,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: North Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte. I'm a huge golfer. Oh cool, like it?
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  Speaker 6: I love it, And that's part of my health journey
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  Speaker 6: mental physical, because you're outside, you're outside nature walking around
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  Speaker 6: chasing my ball. But when I work out now I
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  Speaker 6: work out with with golf on my mind. Wow, So
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  Speaker 6: golf did you play golf when you're playing, when did
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  Speaker 6: you pick it up?
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  Speaker 2: Not like this?
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  Speaker 6: And so I'm in there in the mornings early, you know,
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  Speaker 6: getting my trunk twists, making sure my abs are good
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  Speaker 6: and everything strengthened. So I definitely make sure that you
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  Speaker 6: know my health journey is, you know, the main center
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  Speaker 6: of my beginning stages of my day. So I get up, workout,
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  Speaker 6: make sure I eat good, make sure that you know
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  Speaker 6: my mental clarity is good, my walk with God's good.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, if I have that, then I feel
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  Speaker 6: like I have some I've had some success.
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  Speaker 4: So it sounds like religion is a part, a good
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  Speaker 4: part of your life right in your mental heart. I
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  Speaker 4: mean I can relate to that too. I always like.
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  Speaker 2: To talk about it. What how does that help?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 6: Has it always been? It's always been, you know the forefront.
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  Speaker 6: I believe that God. If you believe that God's taking
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  Speaker 6: you through the ringer right, or things aren't going as planned,
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  Speaker 6: but you believe in a higher calling, right, believe in
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  Speaker 6: God's kingdom, right, you believe in God's glory. Like this
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  Speaker 6: is like, if we think about it, I'm just a
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  Speaker 6: speck of sand in the day in which I'm living.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, and the same for you, oh for sure.
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  Speaker 6: And so who am I to say, you know, or
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  Speaker 6: complain about the life that I was blessed with, right,
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  Speaker 6: So I owe everything to God, especially this day, and
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  Speaker 6: age's so much to get lost in. Yeah, and so
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  Speaker 6: many different you know, distractions that come your way. And
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  Speaker 6: if you find any alignment in anything, it has to
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  Speaker 6: be something. And that's something is God. So finances, entertainment,
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  Speaker 6: family structure, friendships, you know, business trips. You know, my
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  Speaker 6: yeses and my nose all circulate around the alignment and
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  Speaker 6: attunement with God.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you got to have a filter where you do everything,
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  Speaker 4: and we can't do everything. So I always ask one question.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Well I actually ask a few questions at the end
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  Speaker 4: of all my podcasts, but there's one I want to
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  Speaker 4: ask you. If there was a soundtrack record for your life,
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  Speaker 4: what would that be? Don't worry about a thing, Bob
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  Speaker 4: Marley ninth Love that. Oh, my friends are going to
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  Speaker 4: love that one. I got a lot of friends that
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  Speaker 4: are going to.
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  Speaker 2: Love to hear that. Don't will be a bad Now,
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  Speaker 2: my boy dB, I wish he was here right now
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  Speaker 2: to hear this. But you know, and it's such a
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  Speaker 2: simple message. But it's true.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and even when things anything's not going well, it's
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  Speaker 6: never that bad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe you're only thirty eight. The way you're
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  Speaker 4: putting it across, you seem like an older soul.
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  Speaker 2: I do have an old soul. You got that, I
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  Speaker 2: got that? All right? Well, then come back again. You
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  Speaker 2: know this was great. Thanks you really glad to meet
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  Speaker 2: you man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, everyone, thanks for joining me on the Get
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  Speaker 4: Real podcast. You know, I hope you feel a little
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited not just to talk about healthcare, but a
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  Speaker 4: lot of other fun topics. It's about making healthy Talk
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  Speaker 4: about healthcare is not a lecture. This is supposed to
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  Speaker 4: the future.