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How to Trust Your Intuition & Break Free from Self-Sabotage | Christine J. Gold · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Willow Healing Matters, the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are so excited to have you joining us on this journey
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  SPEAKER_01: where we explore different ways to empower your soul,
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey beautiful souls,
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  SPEAKER_00: it is Catherine Crestani here and
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to have a chat with you about
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  SPEAKER_01: a really amazing Cacao that I drink to help me get in ceremony,
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  SPEAKER_01: to help me ground but also just because it tastes freaking good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and just letting it brew
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  SPEAKER_01: and having that whole intention as you create this cup.
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  SPEAKER_00: and in the bio and enjoy your cup of cacao.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing Matters
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  SPEAKER_01: and today I am joined by Christine J.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gold.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is a speaker,
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  SPEAKER_01: mentor and creator of The Clarity Code where she helps empaths
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  SPEAKER_01: and purpose-driven leaders break free from self-sabotage and step into clarity,
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  SPEAKER_01: confidence and soul-aligned leadership.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is the host of the Heartled Soul Fed podcast,
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  SPEAKER_01: author of Intuition Saved My Life, and created the Empaths Journey Oracle Deck.
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  SPEAKER_01: Christine blends trauma-informed practices,
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  SPEAKER_01: intuitive guidance,
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  SPEAKER_01: and her own lived experience of the transformation to inspire audiences worldwide.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a big welcome to the show, Christine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I feel the first question to ask is how did you end up doing the work
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  SPEAKER_01: that you're doing and what led you there
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  SPEAKER_02: in the first place?
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  SPEAKER_02: Divine intervention, spiritual truth by a two by four.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the hard way, truly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, actually,
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  SPEAKER_02: I just wrote a blog about how I want people to live because at that point
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  SPEAKER_02: in my life, I didn't want to live.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't want to be alive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was stuck on the hamster wheel,
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  SPEAKER_02: which I know a lot of people are, wondering, why am I doing this?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I chasing money?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I chasing cars?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I chasing status?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that all came to a head in 2017, and I left, I call it toxic corporate.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's changing,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I know that I'm not the only one that's stuck in a job that just sucks
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  SPEAKER_02: the living soul out of them, literally.
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  SPEAKER_02: Until there's nothing left.
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  SPEAKER_02: And even then, they still want more from you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they turn around and tell you, you're the problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're too sensitive.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't get along.
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  SPEAKER_02: All that stuff that they try to put on you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's where it started.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've had many mentors along the way, but the first mentor I had was delivered via YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's wherever it ends up coming from, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter where.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just wherever the message can get through and starts to land.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how the universe works and allows those little messages to be delivered to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but when we're stuck in a lens of fear and shame and guilt and darkness
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  SPEAKER_02: and depression and anxiety, we Cannot receive those messages.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have to,
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  SPEAKER_02: unless we're actually paying attention,
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  SPEAKER_02: which most times we're not until I want to say rock bottom,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I also say you don't have to hit rock bottom.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel a lot of people are much more enlightened before 27 or after 2017,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd say definitely after 2020.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, agreed.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's when I went through,
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  SPEAKER_01: I say a reawakening,
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  SPEAKER_01: like I'd already had Kind of glimpses of that, but that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I know a lot of people I speak to,
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  SPEAKER_01: that was really the catalyst because it was when people's souls went,
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  SPEAKER_01: hang on,
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  SPEAKER_01: this doesn't match or this isn't making sense or everything you told us to value,
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  SPEAKER_01: all of a sudden you've taken it away and you're locking us up in our houses
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  SPEAKER_01: and we don't understand why, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you could step outside the narrative that was being pasted everywhere,
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  SPEAKER_01: that is when a lot of people started to ask questions of themselves as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it also gave people time to ask the questions because all of
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  SPEAKER_01: a sudden they weren't spending the days going to work and they had this spare time
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  SPEAKER_01: where they went, huh,
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  SPEAKER_01: What do I actually want to do with my life,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, rather than getting stuck in the mundane routine of every day?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I call it the one eye, the third eye.
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  SPEAKER_02: 2020 was all about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Letting go of old stories,
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  SPEAKER_02: old paradigms,
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  SPEAKER_02: old patterns,
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  SPEAKER_02: old relationships,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: that just, and then once you let that Well, that's a whole nother episode and show.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one that might get taken down off YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: So.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and that's definitely where a lot of people started to come back into themselves,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But this is where we've also shifted.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've started to see that shift as a collective,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: as humanity, because things are shifting because things can't stay the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, they try and run the same narratives and people aren't taking it anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people are coming back to, hang on, this doesn't I actually feel right for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yes,
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  SPEAKER_01: we've still got the fear,
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  SPEAKER_01: virals and the shame and all those fun things that we get kept in.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's when people start asking those questions of themselves and of others that
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  SPEAKER_01: that is when people can start to shift out of where they've been stuck for so long.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're just like a computer.
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  SPEAKER_02: It does not compute and we're feeling it in the body,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially when I'm working with a lot of folks with nervous system regulation
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  SPEAKER_02: because what happened is we did not trust our innate senses.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: like animals,
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  SPEAKER_02: they're innately grounded,
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  SPEAKER_02: they're innately aware, and they're receiving visual information via pictures.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, another conversation, but...
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  SPEAKER_02: Now we're realizing that when we're feeling something in our body,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're trusting it instead of dismissing it,
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  SPEAKER_02: instead of going, oh, I don't know what that means.
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  SPEAKER_02: But actually, you do know what that means.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now you're paying attention because your body,
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  SPEAKER_02: your mind, your spirit, they're all connected and interconnected.
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  SPEAKER_02: And nobody outside of you is the authority.
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  SPEAKER_02: You are the authority.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the biggest shift.
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  SPEAKER_02: And When,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: people talk about new earth,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's happening, you know, Pluto and Aquarius, it's happening.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe Chiron just moved into Taurus.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're all in July is like a huge astrological, may I say crap storm.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to say something else,
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  SPEAKER_02: but all these planetary events, I mean, if you,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're like, oh,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's too woo,
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  SPEAKER_02: don't poo poo the woo as Colette Baron-Reed would say, because it's all true.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now you can either believe it in this lifetime and align with it and be curious like
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  SPEAKER_02: the child and be a student of the universe and go look and feel and examine,
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  SPEAKER_02: or you can come back and repeat it in another lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not sure what your soul's contract is, but I think that is important to look at as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's all connected.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I feel the best expression I heard,
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  SPEAKER_01: which wasn't mine,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it said,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, intuition is to be acted upon, not put in a draw and thought about later.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of people,
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  SPEAKER_01: they discount their own wisdom and they put their power in other people,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether it's like on so many aspects,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether it's health,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, whether it's education, whether it's all these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you come back to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: you already know the answers,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: you You already know what's wrong with your body before you have to speak
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  SPEAKER_01: to somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: You already know all these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just when other people weigh in their opinion that they kind of get in the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it takes a lot of courage and strength to go, actually, that is not right.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what my soul is telling me is going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to keep talking to people until someone actually listens to me
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  SPEAKER_01: and I get the support that I need right now rather
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  SPEAKER_01: than what you're telling me I need.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people come to me just for confirmation,
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  SPEAKER_02: but as well also to be seen and to be heard and to be valued.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel that's really, that's humanity.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's human.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we need to put the you back in human.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: However,
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  SPEAKER_02: we are here in this physical Which can be very,
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  SPEAKER_02: very heavy for a lot of people that aren't aware of their energy and how
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  SPEAKER_02: to ground their energy and how to protect their energy and how
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  SPEAKER_02: to cleanse their energy.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the other piece.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as we go here,
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  SPEAKER_02: we start thinking you've already lost, you've disconnected from yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm not saying that my fairies are filling up the tank in my car and paying my bills.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are physical things that we have to do here.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'd say 80% of the time it should,
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  SPEAKER_01: it is nature, nurture, spiritual.
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  SPEAKER_01: I so agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: I often say,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we've been taught backwards,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: you meant to check in with your heart,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: to make a decision,
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  SPEAKER_01: then feel into your gut and then go to your head and let the head take the action
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  SPEAKER_01: of what your heart needs it to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel to keep, I just keep hearing, ask about her book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a bit about your book, Christine.
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  SPEAKER_01: My book?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your book that you were author of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've got two other books going at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just how I operate.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm also newly diagnosed as ADHD, which I know a lot of women are with a smidge of autism.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm working with that group as well,
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  SPEAKER_02: but in midlife,
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  SPEAKER_02: you can call it as well, where We're 40 plus and we're like, what the heck?
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  SPEAKER_02: But actually I know girls that are teenagers that are having hormonal issues,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is directly connected to your intuition, your mental health as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: By the way, I highly believe in that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But my book is Intuition Saved My Life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it is a spiritual memoir.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is about a spiritual awakening, a dark night of the soul.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's how I went from corporate robot to spiritual being.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really, what it's about and the people that I met along the way and why I started my podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know that's why a lot of people start a podcast or they start writing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Writing is very cathartic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Speaking is very cathartic.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people are realizing they have a voice, they have a story, and they need to channel it.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's really what it's about.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I invite anyone that says, oh, I know I have a book in me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or a story, or poetry, or I want to paint, I want to create art.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go and do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you, it is not only, I mean, science is now confirmed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't need science to confirm anything for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: That art is therapy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Always has been.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm laughing when you said science apparently confirmed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's interesting, just the shift...
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  SPEAKER_01: That's happening as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that your book is inviting people back to do that because I work
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  SPEAKER_01: with people very similarly to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: Christine,
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  SPEAKER_01: inviting them back to their selves and just getting rid of all the things
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  SPEAKER_01: that they feel is a block.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then when we talk it out and come through it,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's like, oh, actually, there's no reason why I can't do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or there's no reason why I can't take the steps towards what my soul is pulling me to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's interesting too.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's just, you know, all these things that are like woo, Practices and things.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, grounding has scientific evidence as to why it works so well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hugging a tree has scientific evidence as to why it works so well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel that science is,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, people just need it signed off like a check kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, why not just trust it?
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  SPEAKER_01: You feel better after you do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why not just trust that?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, does the dog...
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  SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, the bird go, oh, I don't know if I need to sit in that tree.
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  SPEAKER_02: I need to, they just go and do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they sing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why do they sing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because they can.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, birds are messengers of air.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love working with animal spirit.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in my book too, I don't know about you, but I read a lot of books.
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  SPEAKER_02: And at the end, I'm like, oh, that's nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I might take some few things away.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I actually have in each chapter homework
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  SPEAKER_00: for people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're not just reading something, they're embodying it.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're doing an action that will connect and go, oh my God, I just had a breakthrough.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what we need.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need more breakthroughs, epiphanies, light bulb moments.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's where the rubber, you know, hits the road.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's where the real,
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  SPEAKER_02: because I work with people that are like,
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  SPEAKER_02: I try this, I try that, I try 20 things and I still feel like crap.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, you're doing too many things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where did you get this idea that you had to do 20 things and then you'll be healed?
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  SPEAKER_02: Says who?
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  SPEAKER_02: And where is this timeline too?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've been doing this for two years.
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  SPEAKER_02: I should be healed by now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Little secret, healing is an evolution.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Until you pass and then you go into the afterlife and then you come.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the infinity symbol.
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  SPEAKER_02: It never ends.
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  SPEAKER_02: Only the ego would think, I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: I met somebody and she's like, I have done all the healing and all the things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am like so enlightened and I am like,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I just,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I walked around the corner and I actually started laughing,
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  SPEAKER_01: not laughing at her,
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  SPEAKER_01: but Laughing at the whole situation because and then I was talking to another person
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  SPEAKER_01: that knew her and she goes,
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  SPEAKER_01: she's like one of the people that I know needs the most amount of like healing and
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  SPEAKER_01: the most amount of, you know, but that's that's the bandaid she put on to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's spiritual bypassing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's her path.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's it, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And something I like to say is, thank you, I'm grateful that path's not mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or thank you, someone said to me the other week, thank you, I'm not in that head.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh yeah, I like that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, it becomes a checklist.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want to, you know, if you're using the word try, you're not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Try is...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that Yoda quote, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do or do not, there is no try.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That means you keep thinking there's something else that's going
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  SPEAKER_02: to fill this huge hole in my soul when actually it's already healed.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: You just need to recognize that you don't need to do any more.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: You just need to be.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then allow your curiosity and what brings you joy to lead you to the next thing.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden you go, I didn't know I could do this.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or I remember doing this before, but I've never done this before.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Or wow, this is so cool.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to do this, you know, but you have to have that.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: We do have to go through, we all talk about the dark night of the soul.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: We have to go through that.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise we're not Shifting the energy to allow the new to come in.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel a lot of people miss that step too, where they have to let go of the old.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise the new doesn't come in because physics is very plain and simple.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's only transferred.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: when we start to apply that to our lives,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: we realize that when we let things go, then the new can come in.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I have so many clients when they get the courage to step out of,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: the old job,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: the volunteer role that's not working,
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: the relationship that's not aligned,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: whatever it might be within one to two weeks,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: because that's how fast we're moving at the moment.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Everything will align and start to come to one of them.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, oh, my goodness, is all I have to do, quit my job?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or is all I have to do, say no to this person?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yes, that was it.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was just an invitation waiting for you to step up.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Boundaries with a pencil, ladies and gents.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: Not a sledgehammer, just a tip.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I used to come in like a wrecking ball.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I say I didn't detonate bombs in my life.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to blow the whole thing up.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there is healthy.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Anger and rage are healthy.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's another thing I'd like because I also hear, oh, you can't be.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: If you're angry, that means there's something.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, that means it needs to come out.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: It is cathartic as well.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it reminds me of like Aries energy.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, you know, the year of the horse as well, the fire horse.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're just going to get stuff done.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that has a place in your life as well.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I know when we're recording this,
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: we're in Mercury Retrograde and Cancer,
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: which is all about emotions and relationships.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I had a client yesterday and she was doing the try thing,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: and I was like, nah,
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to give you some tough love because I'm done
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: because you're keeping yourself in this loop, you know, and I was like, right.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Here's where it's at.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're choosing to stay the victim.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can choose to stay in that role or you can choose to step out of it.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Here's your choices.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes,
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: and my friend was talking to me and she said,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: oh, no, did the cancer mercury retrograde come out?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I said, yep,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: there was a very tough love conversation because it needed to happen because,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: When it comes down to it,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't choose to do the work and try and think that everyone else is going
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: to do the work for you,
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't know about you,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Christine,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: but I find sometimes when you're in that healer role or people come to you for
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: that support, they think you're going to do it all for them.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: But all you can do is guide them on what they need to do.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: We can still hold space.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: We can invite things in to help shift the energy because they have chosen that.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, if they don't do the work, nothing is going to shift.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, absolutely not.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting you talk about roles because a lot of the women we work
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: with are empathic and highly sensitive,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: but they also either are perfectionists,
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: martyrs, people pleasers, and they fall into a caregiving role.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I will also say that old relationships will come back.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: So just be aware of that.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what retrogrades are, to revisit, revise, redo, realign.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I had a friendship like 20 plus years, hadn't talked to her in a couple of years.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I already, you just, when you're clear cognizant, you know that you know that you know.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, I'm just going to see.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: I like, you know, testing it.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: You can call it body testing, but I already know.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: And It fell into a, oh, you're so strong, Christine, and you're so amazing.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I kept hearing all these, and it didn't land anywhere on me.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I pushed back and I said,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: I no longer am that person, am that role in our relationship, in our friendship.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not going to be your sounding board.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to be the strong one.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not doing it anymore.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a lot of silence and a lot of awkward,
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Spaces, but that conversation needed to happen.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, it cleared things away and I don't really hear from her anymore.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that confirmed what I already knew.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you have clear cognizance too,
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: because it's really hard to explain it to people because you just know something in
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: the moment.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, how do you know that?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I just know.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, I like to say, it's like, we're talking.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I get.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I understand now,
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: and I feel you bring up a really important point, too,
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: that sometimes we have to let these people go and we have
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: to say this isn't us anymore.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes the hardest people to do it with is our family.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to draw new boundaries.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I had to create new dynamics with my family.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: But to the point, you know, I was away at my parents' farm just over the weekend.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: And my mum was introducing me as, oh, here's my daughter, like she's a healer.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I never, but I was like, this is, this is new.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: this is,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: it was just that,
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: just that blame and acceptance because I've been working on her horses
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: and everything.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, oh, no, no, like, yeah, yeah, talk to her, talk to her.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like,
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: this is so bizarre,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: because,
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: you But we had to do a lot of work to get to that point of acceptance rather than,
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know, allowing those band-aids.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of my clients,
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell them,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: in, you know, spiritual word language, I talk about cords, like energetic cords.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Never understand.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone talks about they're bad, but they're not all bad.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: We need connections with people,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: but a lot of my clients will say,
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: actually,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: we're going to cut them all away and we're going to start from scratch
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: because we need to rebuild them back with more aligned energy.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't care if they're your kids.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if it's your parents, your partner.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: We need to cut them all away and we need to rebuild it back.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of parents especially are terrified of cutting the cords with their kids,
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: even though their relationship's so unhealthy.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, well, what do you want your relationship to look like?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you could choose, what would it look like?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, oh, this, this and this.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said, okay, well, let's let go of the old then and bring in the new.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's that fear again, right?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Of, oh, no, but I can't do that.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say that I don't love them unconditionally because I'm their mom.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, actually, no, you can still have boundaries with your children.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're allowed to do that.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you right now,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: you have permission to say, actually, I don't like how you're treating me right now.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no,
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: it's important because if you don't,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: then people will just assume it's okay to walk all over you and do what they do
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: until they're told no.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: And no is a complete sentence, by the way, and does not require explanation at all.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: I actually have like a video all about,
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: you know, tips on how to stop a bully and it works for kids too and adults.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: family are repeat offenders,
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: and you'll find out who the repeat offenders are,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: and you will find out right away who does not like what you just told them.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: And you will also find out if they have narcissistic tendencies and other things
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: as well, sociopath, psychopath.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, those traits,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: those come out right away,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: and some people are like,
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: because they're so in it, they're connected so much, they can't see through the fog.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: They almost have this mental fogness,
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: and then once they cut cords and they leave, And they're in a different space.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to say this about domestic violence as well.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Then they're like out of that chaos spiral.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: They can actually see and feel clarity and discernment and go, oh my God, that was crazy making.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't crazy.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: I was made to feel crazy.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's the difference.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I have people that go, well, how do I know if they are?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel worse or better when you're around them?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: That is the number one thing.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's your signal right there.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, well, you know, I have to go to this party.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: I have to go to this wedding.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, do you really?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Who says?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you can also tell people,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to come to this thing, but I'm only going to stay for an hour.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you will not guilt me or shame me into leaving.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: And if you do, I will not come back.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Same with on the phone call.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like how you're talking to me right now.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to hang up.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: You can still interact with these said peoples.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: you need to have conditions and boundaries and know if this is going
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: to devastate you
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: or you're okay with it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: You have to know where you are in that.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think Lee Harris talks about that a lot too.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I feel like it's just about getting that message across.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an excuse to say that that's just how they are or that's what my family is like.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: That is an excuse.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know I got that a lot when I was pushing back and I was like, no,
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: actually I deserve more respect than that and I'm not being respected
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm actually not putting up with that.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that changed my dynamic with that person.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: But everyone else had just accepted that's what they're like.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing shifted because they weren't.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Allowing themselves to say, actually, I don't like you talking to me that way.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like you doing that way.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: and then exactly like you said,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: then you end up in the room with these people and you feel worse
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: or you feel like you've been hit by a bus or you feel drained.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're called energetic vampires.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Christiane Northrup talks about that as well as Judith Trying to remember last name,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: but there are quite a few people that write about that dynamic.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot to say before,
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: but I like in your book that at the end of each section, you have homework.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: I call it soul work because a lot of like what,
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: summarizing what you've been sharing,
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Christine,
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: is a lot of the time people will just listen to things,
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: but they don't take the actions.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then You know, I've had people say to me, oh, you're so inspiring.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I said, well, are you going to change anything?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, no.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I said, well, then I haven't done my job.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Inspiration needs to be acted upon, not sit there.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like intuition, right?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Inspiration, intuition.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Go do something with that because if you're inspired and excited, keep that momentum going.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you try it on and it's not working or you don't like it or You have an idea.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: You want to go start that podcast.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: You do a few episodes.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, no, actually, this isn't for me.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: At least you've given it a go and you know that rather than sitting
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: in this perpetual hamster wheel thinking, oh, I could do that.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do I want to do that?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I want to do that.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: and allowing that action to take place in your life because if you sit there being
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: a passive contender,
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to end up like you were,
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: a corporate robot,
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: like you were saying,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: and you just end up Moving through life and ticking all the boxes,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: even if they don't make you excited.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, there's so many people that are dead.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can call them zombies, but they don't know they are.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: They just, I get it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're just part of the program.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: You're part of the system.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: We call them, my friends and I call them NPCs, non-playing characters, like in computer games.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, at the same time, I mean, that's their path.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just as people could talk about Other people are,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: you know, a young soul, an old soul, like Elon Musk is a young soul.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's his path.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I'm an old soul.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's my path.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: I chose to come back and do this.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: And people are like, well, what's my soul's purpose?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: it's not a job,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: but it may be if you love every single day and what you're doing, that's amazing.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: But really, it's about coming back to oneness.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's about coming back.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're here for three things, healing, love and forgiveness.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of people running around that have not forgiven other people,
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: and especially themselves.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of people that don't love themselves.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: And who are they?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: They're the ones that are usually the most mean, critical.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: And we have to remember it has nothing to do with us.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because of the work that we do, we're actual mirrors.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: So we're just reflecting back what we're getting.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know about you, but sometimes when I go out in the public, I get scowls.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I get hisses.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: I get a lot of weird things that come at me.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: But then what I really love is when the animals come right up to you and the babies,
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: the kids, they can see.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, kids before the age of seven are naturally psychic, intuitive.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: They see colors, auras, orbs.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: They're talking to grandma.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, UFOs,
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: whatever, you know, rainbows, indigos, crystalline children, please encourage them.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Don't dismiss it.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: And no, I'm just saying, I don't get, actually, I smile at people.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I actually make an effort to have a heartfelt smile at people,
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: not just, but like a real like, hey, you know, I can see you.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: And people either like go, oh, you know, like, thank you.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: They'll just kind of look at you like, who are you smiling at me?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how dare you do that?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's really interesting just gauging those reactions.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't deter me, but it's just curious to see their reactions and how it comes back.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I fully understand what you mean with children because I worked with children.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I still work with children.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, for over 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they do.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: They just read people.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I used to walk through a shopping center and all the kids would stare at me.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: My ex-husband was like, is that normal for you?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, it just happens because you're right.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: They see everything.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And as we start to finish our time together,
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Christine,
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I asked the guests that come on the show,
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: if you could heal or change something in the world, what would it be?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I know I can't heal the world.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's only an ego construct.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: But if there's one thing that was said in this video that inspires you,
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  SPEAKER_02: go do the thing and don't die with the music still left inside of you.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And if people want to find your book,
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: come listen to your podcast or come work with you,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Christine, where's the best places they can go?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Christinejgold.com.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the best place.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Easy.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: I will pop those in the show notes as well as all your other links that you've shared.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: So if you are listening to this episode and you feel inspired to go do something,
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: just as Christine said, don't leave this planet with that music still inside of you.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Go try it on.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Go give it a go.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: And at least you know.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be afraid of failure because that's just a point of learning and expansion.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: See what happens and see where your soul takes you when you really listen to it.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you, Christine, so much for the conversation.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you and I appreciate your radical honesty that you're bringing
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: to people's lives as well.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having and holding the space to allow that to happen.
• 31:45
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• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: This book explores the intersection of loneliness, love,
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• 32:04
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• 32:11
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• 32:14
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