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‘How to Money’ with Joel Larsgaard | Orange County DA Todd Spitzer · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty than thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Can't by AM six forty Bill Handle.
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  Speaker 3: It is a Thursday morning, the sixth day of November,
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  Speaker 3: and so stories were looking at Oh this just broke.
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  Speaker 3: This morning, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that she
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  Speaker 3: is dead. No, actually, she announced that she is retiring
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  Speaker 3: at the end of her term. It's really interesting a conversation.
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  Speaker 3: She had to listen to an interview with her the
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  Speaker 3: other day, and she talked about the possibility of retiring
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  Speaker 3: and then some of the issues that she wants to
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  Speaker 3: get involved with some political organizations.
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  Speaker 2: But she said, you know, if I.
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  Speaker 3: Ran, I'd win automatically, it wouldn't even be an issue.
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  Speaker 3: And she's right. She owns her district and owned the
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  Speaker 3: House of Representatives. A speaker, extraordinary woman, such a powerful person.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Larsguard is heard every Sunday here on KFI from
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  Speaker 3: twelve to two pm. He is the host of How
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  Speaker 3: to Money, and we entitled the two segments he does
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  Speaker 3: with us very cleverly, how to Money.
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  Speaker 1: Joel, Good morning, morning, Bill.
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  Speaker 3: All right, a lot going on today, all right, layoffs,
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  Speaker 3: potential layoffs. We know what's happening with the federal government
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  Speaker 3: and the government workers. But considering what happened to Amazon
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  Speaker 3: workers and ups just unloaded a bunch of them, and
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  Speaker 3: Target is unloading.
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  Speaker 2: What do people do?
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  Speaker 3: Number one?
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  Speaker 2: Do you anticipate it?
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't know, And if you do think it's
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  Speaker 3: coming your way, what happens and how do you handle it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the headlines are making people fearful, right
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  Speaker 4: and understandably so, especially when you're seeing tens ten thousand
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  Speaker 4: people let go that one employer tens of thousands at
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  Speaker 4: another employer, and you're like, oh my gosh, this is
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  Speaker 4: this and coming for me. And part of you know,
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  Speaker 4: what people are feeling is the reality of AI taking
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  Speaker 4: out some of those entry level positions. I think, in
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  Speaker 4: particular young graduates. New graduates are feeling that specifically, what
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  Speaker 4: do you do when it seems like there is downsizing
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  Speaker 4: happening in the job market. I think the first instinct
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  Speaker 4: I would have, and what I would encourage people to do,
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  Speaker 4: is to look at their own personal finances, because you
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  Speaker 4: kind of whether it's an industry thing, whether it's a
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  Speaker 4: greater economy as a whole thing, or whether it's even
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  Speaker 4: your specific employer thing. You want to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: your personal finances are buttoned up, and so you know
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about increasing that emergency fund, having more liquid cash.
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  Speaker 3: Those Let me throw something at you, because we have
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  Speaker 3: heard the formula is you should have six months of
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  Speaker 3: expenses put away in savings or minimum three. But you're
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  Speaker 3: paying a rent, you have, you're paying off the car,
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  Speaker 3: you've got utility, these the kids. I six thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: a month is fairly I think that would not be
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  Speaker 3: a figure that I'm overstating. Sure, well, that's thirty thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars or thirty six thousand dollars. Who the hell says
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  Speaker 3: up thirty six thousand dollars. When you have a family,
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  Speaker 3: especially living in southern California, how do you plan ahead
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  Speaker 3: even if you know that you should.
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  Speaker 2: How do they do that? I guess you mean you
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  Speaker 2: moved to Arkansas and you eat squirrels.
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  Speaker 1: Well I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I do think we are saying people move
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  Speaker 4: in order to save money. I just heard from a
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  Speaker 4: listener recently who said I was living in an expensive
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  Speaker 4: part of the country and I moved to a less
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  Speaker 4: expensive part was able to pay cash for the house
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  Speaker 4: in relatively short order because I was moving to someplace
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  Speaker 4: that was that much cheaper. It's not for everybody, and
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  Speaker 4: your job is often attached to where you live, and
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  Speaker 4: so it's a ridiculous assertion for ninety plus percent of people.
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  Speaker 4: But there is a segment of the population where I
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  Speaker 4: think that can make sense. And I think you highlight
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  Speaker 4: six months of emergency savings. I think really the place
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  Speaker 4: to start is essentially roughly three grand. That is going
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  Speaker 4: to get you through most pinches. It's probably not going
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  Speaker 4: to get you all the way from a layoff till
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  Speaker 4: your next job without having any financial turbulence, but it's
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  Speaker 4: going to get you through most financial emergencies and then
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  Speaker 4: aim for three months right worth of savings.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to take.
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  Speaker 4: A while, I think for most people to get to
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  Speaker 4: three months worth of savings. This might be like an
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  Speaker 4: eighteen month long endeavor. But it is worth tightening the belt.
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  Speaker 4: It is worth paying down some of those high interest
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  Speaker 4: debts so that you create more room in your life for savings.
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  Speaker 4: It's worth maybe even sticking to what I call a
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  Speaker 4: bare bones budget for a hot minute, just so that
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  Speaker 4: you can get to that three month level of savings.
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  Speaker 4: And that is for a lot of people going to
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  Speaker 4: be the bridge from oh my gosh, what am.
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  Speaker 1: I going to do?
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  Speaker 4: I just got laid off today to I can rest
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  Speaker 4: easy while I'm applying for new jobs and while I'm
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  Speaker 4: getting my LinkedIn updated and while I'm tapping my network.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of breathing room.
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  Speaker 4: And I just want people to have some more of
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  Speaker 4: that breathing room, especially when it feels like the job,
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  Speaker 4: the job situation is not looking as rosy as it has.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be so depressing out there.
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  Speaker 3: My daughter is going through it with her computer science skills,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean, it's just tough out there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you and I are very lucky that you know,
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  Speaker 2: we do. You have a contract by the way, now,
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  Speaker 2: oh you don't have a contract? Wow? Okay, then you
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  Speaker 2: and I are that lucky? Well I am, you know, so, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: what can.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you?
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  Speaker 2: That's just me being an ass, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna work on that. Have you know? Maybe
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  Speaker 1: you can?
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  Speaker 5: Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: Now's let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: There are some downsides and having a contract and being
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  Speaker 3: protected for a period of time. I just can't think
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  Speaker 3: of any Okay, Joel this story that I'm looking at,
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  Speaker 3: or this headline I'm looking at, is people are buying
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  Speaker 3: more expensive cars. I buy that because cars are more expensive,
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  Speaker 3: you have no choice but refinding, dancing and financing in
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  Speaker 3: eighty four month loans. Eighty four month loans, isn't that
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  Speaker 3: for like twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: It's something close to that.
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  Speaker 3: You have to we upside down from the minute you
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  Speaker 3: buy the car until the moment it falls apart one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: You are upside down in the car for a really
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  Speaker 4: long time, which presents other problems.
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  Speaker 1: To add fuel to the fire, though, Bill.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that people are just initially taking out a
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  Speaker 4: really long loan in order.
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  Speaker 1: To afford the higher car and the higher interest rate.
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  Speaker 4: Then what people are doing is a couple of years
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  Speaker 4: into the loan, they're refinancing, and they're going back into
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  Speaker 4: another seven year loan, into.
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  Speaker 1: Another eighty four month term.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just it So it means that people are
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  Speaker 4: not just choosing to be in debt for that new
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  Speaker 4: car for seven years overall, which is way, way, way,
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  Speaker 4: way too long in my opinion, Like I would love
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  Speaker 4: to see people stick to a three year loan, and
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  Speaker 4: if you can't, then you shouldn't be you need to
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  Speaker 4: change your aspirations on what car you're willing to purchase,
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  Speaker 4: but to refinance again back into another eighty four month loan.
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  Speaker 4: People are on average, This is a report from refinance
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  Speaker 4: company Cariboo. They're refinancing forty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 4: worth of car debt. Maybe yeah, they're able to lower
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  Speaker 4: their interest rate from something like ten and a half
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  Speaker 4: to seven and a half, and they're able to lower
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  Speaker 4: their monthly payment, of course, but this is the way
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  Speaker 4: most Americans think.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that. It's that payment byer mentality.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I can lower my payments by one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixty bucks, let me go with that option. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 4: what that does is it keeps you in debt so
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  Speaker 4: much longer, and for so many people, it means they're
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  Speaker 4: trading in a car they're upside down on at some
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  Speaker 4: point in the future to buy another car, which just
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  Speaker 4: compounds the situation even more so.
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  Speaker 3: The point is when we talk about upside down is
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  Speaker 3: that the value of the car will always be less
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  Speaker 3: than the amount that you owe, So under any circumstances,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to owe money at the end of all this,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean, can you imagine at the end of
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  Speaker 3: eighty four months, right, you've paid it off and your
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  Speaker 3: car is worth twelve dollars. I mean it's uh, and
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  Speaker 3: you've repaired it for a number of years, which is
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  Speaker 3: insanely expensive.
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  Speaker 2: New loans, I can I can actually remember.
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  Speaker 3: This because I've always done three year loans and it's
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  Speaker 3: whatever car I could afford. I once did a three
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  Speaker 3: year loan on a new uh actually I think I
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  Speaker 3: say three year loan on used VW, but it went
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  Speaker 3: to four years, and I go, my god, why why
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  Speaker 3: would anybody you know get a four year car loan
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  Speaker 3: as you pointed out, and then five and then six
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  Speaker 3: and now seven years?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is there a limit to this? Does it stop?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I mean, I guess we'll find out.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy enough to think that on a brand new
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  Speaker 4: car you can get a seven year loan, and then
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  Speaker 4: it's even crazier to think that you can refinance after
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  Speaker 4: having paid for a while, into another seven year loan.
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  Speaker 4: And I do think, you know, car refinancing is something
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  Speaker 4: more people should consider, especially if you do have a
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  Speaker 4: high interest rate.
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  Speaker 1: You could probably go to the local.
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  Speaker 4: Credit union or go with one of those online shopping
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  Speaker 4: sites that will help you find a better rate, but
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  Speaker 4: just be super careful to not only fixate on your
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  Speaker 4: ability to pay less in from month to month.
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  Speaker 1: I would rather see you say, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: How much more can I put towards this payment? Maybe
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  Speaker 4: I can even shorten the length of the loan going too.
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  Speaker 4: I've got five years left. Maybe I go down to
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  Speaker 4: four lower, and maybe my payment goes up a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: but my interest rate goes down and so I'm able
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  Speaker 4: to pay off that car more quickly. That's the way
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  Speaker 4: I'd rather see people think, and then start saving up
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  Speaker 4: once that car is paid off, so you can pay
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  Speaker 4: cash for the next car, or at least have more
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  Speaker 4: to put down now.
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  Speaker 3: The other side of the coin of what we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about is the fact that cars last much longer today.
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  Speaker 2: They are wait' they're actually better built.
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  Speaker 3: Even though a lot of them are plastic, and they
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  Speaker 3: go one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 3: miles without even blinking. And so that helps and give
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  Speaker 3: me the analogy. This morning, I was tying my shoelaces
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  Speaker 3: on my sneakers, and so there I am, and I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking, when was the last time my shoelace. Shoelaces broke.
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  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, they would break every two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: You have to buy new ones today. When was the
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  Speaker 3: last time you shoelace broke? Are you really talking about that?
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  Speaker 1: That's my point.
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  Speaker 5: I am no.
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  Speaker 2: The analogy, The analogy works.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, the analogy works well what.
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  Speaker 1: You're driving at.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're right that overall, from a car perspective,
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  Speaker 4: there's been more competition in the space. We've seen people
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  Speaker 4: like to think that there's plant obsolescence in the car space.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think that's true. I think we have
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  Speaker 4: seen greater reliability. And when you look at specifically at
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  Speaker 4: a site like Consumer Reports, you can dig down into
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  Speaker 4: makes and models and years and you can find which
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  Speaker 4: which cars are.
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  Speaker 1: Going to last the longest.
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  Speaker 4: They do such a good job with reliability ratings, and
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  Speaker 4: so I think that's a really important thing to consider
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  Speaker 4: when you're buying a car. Is not just like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: that one looks cool, or yeah, that one does fit
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  Speaker 4: my price point, but it's like, which one is going
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  Speaker 4: to last you longer so that you can, yeah, be
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  Speaker 4: driving that car for many more years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, today a car with sixty eighty thousand miles on.
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  Speaker 2: It is not an old, falling apart car the way
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  Speaker 2: they used to be.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, in terms of shoelaces, you know those
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  Speaker 3: little plastic ends of shoe laces.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what they call those? Nope, well there
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  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 2: I think our anklets is what they're called.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, you can look that up. Yeah, learn something
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  Speaker 1: new every day every day.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk again next week, Joel, Sunday, twelve to two pm.
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  Speaker 3: His address is how to Money, Joel, and the website
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  Speaker 3: is howtomoney dot com.
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  Speaker 5: Joel.
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  Speaker 2: You have a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you too. Thanks Bill.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, a story I think has become a national
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  Speaker 3: story that happens to be out of Orange County where
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  Speaker 3: some mentally ill suspects facing some serious charges or having
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  Speaker 3: already been convicted of serious crimes are being released.
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  Speaker 2: It's just crazy.
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  Speaker 3: The DA's office, Todd Spitzer of course, all over this,
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  Speaker 3: and he's being asked it with so many by so
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  Speaker 3: many news outlets, and we're going to ask him. By
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  Speaker 3: the way, Todd and I, Todd and KFI go back
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  Speaker 3: thirty years, so we've been very good friends for a
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  Speaker 3: very long time.
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  Speaker 2: Todd, good morning, Thanks for hanging with.
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  Speaker 5: Us, of course, Bill, thank you, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So tell me about this story and what's
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  Speaker 3: going on, because it's the story itself is criminal when
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  Speaker 3: you think about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very upsetting. I've sounded the alarm. I've waited
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  Speaker 5: as long as I can, but I'm in court tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: My prosecutors are in court tomorrow. Let me just give
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  Speaker 5: the basics of how the system works. Somebody's charged with
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  Speaker 5: a criminal act. In this case, these are very serious crimes.
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  Speaker 5: At some point, the defense says, hey, we have a
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  Speaker 5: doubt on the competency of our client. Either they don't
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  Speaker 5: understand the nature and wrongfulness of their acts, or they
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  Speaker 5: can't assist us as their counsel. So that goes out
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  Speaker 5: to a doctors evaluate that person. We get various doctor's opinions,
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  Speaker 5: and at some point the judge says, no, this person
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  Speaker 5: cannot proceed. So the state has two years to restore
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  Speaker 5: them to competency in order for them to stand trial
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  Speaker 5: assist their counsel. Six Amendment issues things like that. At
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  Speaker 5: the end of the two years, if the person cannot
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  Speaker 5: be restored to competency so the criminal case can go forward,
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  Speaker 5: the system then starts a civil commitment for a conservati
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  Speaker 5: to keep this person locked up until they can be restored,
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  Speaker 5: if ever, to competency. We're at that stage with numerous
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  Speaker 5: very serious and violent felons tomorrow to are in court.
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  Speaker 5: One an attempted rapist who is a very serious sex offender.
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  Speaker 5: The other is a person who beat the hell out
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  Speaker 5: of his neighbor almost to the point, you know, serious
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  Speaker 5: bodily injury and elderly man. And then I have a murderer.
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  Speaker 5: I have a whole host of these bill and then
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  Speaker 5: in December, I have a man who cut up his victim,
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  Speaker 5: an innocent victim, with a hatchet while he was wearing
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  Speaker 5: a tinfoil hat and howling at the moon. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not making this up. And so Mike County is responsible,
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  Speaker 5: through the Office of the Public Guardian, to find lock
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  Speaker 5: down beds to house these individuals while the system is
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  Speaker 5: trying to restore them to competency. As of this morning,
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  Speaker 5: there are no beds for these individuals. The two individuals,
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  Speaker 5: the sex offender and the assaultive, very violent individual. Those
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  Speaker 5: cases are on calendar tomorrow. We have no beds as
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  Speaker 5: we speak, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So the alternative or the answer is coming up
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  Speaker 3: with beds. And now this is before straightening this out
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  Speaker 3: to make sure everybody understands, this is before trial where
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  Speaker 3: they're clearly going to please need not guilty by reason
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  Speaker 3: of insanity, right, then they're going to argue with the
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  Speaker 3: McNaughton rule, and this is before that happens, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And this in the case I've just told you
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  Speaker 5: these are individuals who have pending criminal garages, but they're
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  Speaker 5: not competent.
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  Speaker 2: So what so let me ask you the two year rule.
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  Speaker 3: Is that by statute or is that the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: ruled on that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's my statute. So the mental hospitals are
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  Speaker 5: supposed to take these individuals, whether it's patent, NAPPA, you know, Tascadero.
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  Speaker 5: They take these individuals in and they have two years
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  Speaker 5: to restore them. But we are finding right with the
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  Speaker 5: serious mental ill that in many cases they're not restored
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  Speaker 5: to capacity. The problem in California bill is that the
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  Speaker 5: legislature and the governor continue to create more and more
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  Speaker 5: mental health off ramps, if you will, in the criminal
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  Speaker 5: justice system, where everybody not these are very serious, but
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  Speaker 5: there are so many now opportunities for mental health diversion
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  Speaker 5: and other opportunities that there's a mental health bed necessary.
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  Speaker 5: There's no beds in California. So the legislature creates all
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  Speaker 5: these mandates on all of us as DA's to prosecute
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  Speaker 5: these people but allow them to have all these various
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  Speaker 5: defenses and the like, and yet they don't create the beds.
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  Speaker 5: They want to close prisons, they want to create more
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  Speaker 5: mental health diversion, but they're not creating the beds for
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  Speaker 5: these people to get treatment. And what we find ourselves
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  Speaker 5: at the local government level is we don't have lockdown
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  Speaker 5: treatment facilities to treat these individuals. And the only option
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  Speaker 5: because of court decisions, is the following. You either treat them, right,
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  Speaker 5: because now they've more from the pending criminal case to
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  Speaker 5: more of a civil commitment under a conservatorship, you either
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  Speaker 5: treat them. And if you can't treat them because you
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  Speaker 5: don't have a big society has failed in this responsibility,
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  Speaker 5: and the courts have said you must release them back
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  Speaker 5: to the street.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa and that's uh.
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  Speaker 3: Now, these are people that are in a facility once
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  Speaker 3: this happens, and while a judge decide whether someone is
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  Speaker 3: confident they're not walking the streets, the facility yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So build these individuals. They went to the state mental hospital,
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  Speaker 5: they were evaluated. They've been returned to the Orange County
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  Speaker 5: Jail awaiting this hearing to determine if they're going to
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  Speaker 5: become conservatives. That's what we are dealing with tomorrow with
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: these two offenders I spoke with you about, and so
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: we we we have to tell the judge, right, we
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I only handle the criminal and now it gets handed
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  Speaker 5: off to the Public Guardian to handle the conservative proceedings.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: And the Public Guardian has dropped the ball in my county.
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  Speaker 5: And they don't have beds for these people.
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  Speaker 2: So the answer is clearly creating the b and.
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  Speaker 5: I've got to create the beds. We're working feverishly to
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  Speaker 5: try to get beds. But the fact of the matter
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  Speaker 5: is we keep getting mandated to do these treatments. Fair
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  Speaker 5: enough with these people, they should be treated, but the
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  Speaker 5: state has not created many beds despite the mandates pushed
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  Speaker 5: on us. And these beds are being filled by so
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  Speaker 5: many other categories of the mentally ill, which the legislature
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: has created because they don't want anybody to go to jail.
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  Speaker 5: They believe everybody either is not guilty, not responsible for
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: their criminal acts or they're so mentally ill they can't
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: be held responsible.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to California. Welcome to California, Todd, thank you, Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Bill, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: It gives us some good information about what's happening. I mean,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Todd's on top of this stuff, like you can't believe.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to switch gears for a moment.
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  Speaker 3: I want to tell you a story about a ten
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  Speaker 3: year old boy, Nicholas bard and in Santa Rosa and
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  Speaker 3: his thing with.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 3: He likes bees, I mean really likes bee to the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: point where I think therapy should be involved here. And
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Santa Rosa ordered ten year old Nicholas to remove his
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: colony of thousands of European bees, and they said zoning
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: laws were violated. Now, Nicholas is really into his bees,
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  Speaker 3: and he fought back with the help from the Sonoma
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  Speaker 3: County bee Keepers Association.
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  Speaker 2: These are people.
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  Speaker 3: Who clearly have never been laid in their lifetime and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: they have become bee keepers.
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  Speaker 2: And so here's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: The city of Santa Rosa receives an anonymous complaint about
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: some problem insects in the area, and so city officials
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: are looking at it. The insect controlled people will go on,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and they zero in on Nicholas's family, the Bard family,
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  Speaker 3: and in particular the thousands of European bees. And it
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: turned out, as everybody looked at the law, keeping the
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: bees was considered an occupation, even for a kid, it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: an occupation.
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  Speaker 2: And Nicholas and.
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  Speaker 3: His parents were in violation of the law, and the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: city said the.
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  Speaker 2: Bees have to go. Goodbye bees.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, the family instantly appealed because Nicholas was
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: going to be very upset, and so they called the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: city and they talked to a city person and thought
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: they had a sympathetic gear because that city worker said,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: you know what, I understand your position. I can't say yeah,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: your nay, but I'll send it up the food chain
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and I will tell them why.
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  Speaker 2: I think your bees should be allowed.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Then the city comes back the upper reaches of management.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: The supervisors inform the Bards that not only were they
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: in violation of having a home business, but also having
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: nuisance insects on their property. Now we're not talking about
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: raising you know, we're not talking about raising mosquitoes, for example,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: as pets, all right, We're talking bees. Bees are good
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: and so they said no, and the city is arguing
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: with him Nicholas and the bars go no, you have
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to do it, and no, said he turned them down.
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  Speaker 3: So now what do they do.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Do they give up the bees? They do not give
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: up the bees. They do not surrender.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: They went on and fought city Hall, which doesn't happen
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: very often, although they had the help of the Beekeeper Association.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So how does a kid get into bees like that?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: There's a story, all right. He was part of the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: local four h club teaches kids the fundamentals of farming
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and science. Wow, I remember my involvement with a four
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: h club. No civic engagement and having a healthy balanced ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Also the importance of the bees as pollinators.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we all know, no bees, no pollination. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: when Nicholas is seven, he goes to a local science
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: fair and then this woman gives a presentation on beekeeping.
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  Speaker 3: He fell in love with bees, and he is a
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: friend of the bees. He grew the small swarm that
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: he started into a full colony. He cares for his bees,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: He listens to his bees, he reads to his bees.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: O there's an issue there. I think, But what happened?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: The bottom line, they won. He got the city council
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: to turn around, and the city alternated to turn around
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: for a bunch of reasons. It turns out there are
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: plenty of backyard hives in Santa Rosa. And why should
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the bards get extra scrutiny in terms of the beehive ban?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Not even the beat Keepers Association knew about this. No
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: way to know how many hives there are in Santa
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Anna or Santa Rosa. Why because the numbers fluctuate it
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: each year because bees come in and then they leave.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about their beekeepers that do that.
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  Speaker 1: No threat.
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  Speaker 3: City Hall was innunated, inundated with letters, emails, newspapers, local
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: TV stations, and little Nicholas ten years.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Old won the battle.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to give you a sort of fun
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: up story because I've been talking about how you're gonna
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: die all morning long. All right, we're done, guys, coming up,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Gary and Shannon in the meantime, We're back again tomorrow.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It starts with Amy and Will with wake up call.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Does someone just say.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Whoo yeah me Will oh? Will Yeah?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean I forgot you were here? Okay?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: And Will who is here who? And then it's Neil
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and Moa and we come aboard from six to nine.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And of course you've got and Kono who are always here,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and we can't do a damn thing about it no
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: matter what. All right, we're done, guys. We'll catch you
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: in the morning. Kf I am six point forty.
• 24:11
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