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What must he think of his readers? | HBR Talk 286 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, and welcome to Hannah forgets to switch her tabs on the computer right
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Lauren Brooks any personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson and tonight were waiting back into
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of the page. And before we drop into this article, let's recap a
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little bit so far we've been through. Flood's description is his description of MRA
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talking points that almost but don't quite exist, Like everything that he's attributing to
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us is stuff that isn't quite what we've said, but it is easier for
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him to pretend to debunk so he's been setting up his little army of strawmen
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and pretending to knock them down with things that don't actually even address the arguments
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that he's attributing to us. So this has been kind of a trip,
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I guess you could say. But in the meantime, you know, we've
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been through discussions about men and women in the media, and it seems like
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feminists only complaint is how many people are portrayed of each sex. It doesn't
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occur to them that when men are portrayed as disposable, when men are portrayed
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as the only people who can be made fun of, the only people who
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can be considered the bad guy, the only people who who can be fleshed
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out in the negative rather than fleshed out in the positive, that that is
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a way of saying that either humanity has to all be positive and men are
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subhuman, or humanity includes positive and negative unless you're female, and then you're
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superhuman. But at no point is it about equality. So it doesn't really
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matter if there's one woman and one hundred men in the movie or the cartoon
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or the commercial or the article or the video game, if ninety nine of
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those men are portrayed as red Shirts, but the woman is protected because she's
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female. Doesn't matter if the woman is that outnumbered by portrayals, if ninety
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nine of those men are the bad guy and it's the hero's goal to make
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sure they don't get to her, or she's the hero, that's just not
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an argument. They you know, as much as he's made that argument,
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it's not an argument. It's not valid, doesn't mean anything, has no
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bearing on how men are treated in the media in terms of portrayals of their
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character, portrayals of their place in society, and so on. It just
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is about numbers, and it's worthless argument, and that's all we've gotten from
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him this whole article. So now he wants to talk about children's media.
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So Mike and Lauren, if you guys hit control F and type in children's
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media, you'll get to where I am. This is where we left off
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last week. We didn't get into we didn't start going into children's media.
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And the first sentence of it should say anti feminist commentators also claim that the
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media is mean to boys, which I don't think I've ever said that in
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a sentence other than to read flood writing it like I think he thinks his
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readers, his feminist readers, are so stupid that they've never they wouldn't be
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able to tell the difference between and arguments they encounter out in the wild from
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MRAs and his his strawmen. Do you have an link? Yeah, it's
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actually up too high now in the chat to see. Let's see here your
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control we'll put that right here. It's too bad he doesn't do this,
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since he has this super long article that that is basically the same argument over
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and over again. It's too bad that he didn't do the thing where you
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know you can you can set your text up in this type of blog to
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where, uh you can you can actually link to a particular place on the
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page. And unfortunately I don't seem to. I don't. I don't think
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I can do that or I would, but yeah, just hitting control F
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and children's media should get you there, and it's as children's media in bold
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text. Did it work? Yeah? Okay, okay, so here we
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go. Sorry, I'm going to clear my threat at you guys a lot
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too, because for some stupid reason, my allergies kicked up on notch,
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even though the weather should be making them better. Anti feminist commentators also claim
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that the media is mean to boys. Again, the evidence debunks this.
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So I have you guys seen anybody just flat out say the media is mean
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to boys. I believe it's called consequence culture. We're referring to it.
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Yeah, I just I don't think i've seen it phrase that way. We've
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discussed a lot of things. We've discussed about feminists talking about, you know,
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boys portrayed in the media, and they're how inaccurate they are in terms
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of that. And we've talked about boys being portrayed as little brats or as
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more adult than they are, as more responsible for things around them in that
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than they are, and how important it is for boys to have hero stories
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to learn from. But I don't think I've seen anything about the media being
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mean to boys. But there we go. That's that's Flood's argument. So
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he says, in children's cartoons, male cartoon characters continue to outnumber female cartoon
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characters four to one in the traditional adventure genre, two to one in comedy
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cartoons. Yeah, it's all flooding back to me, now. Yeah,
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after a show ends, I wake up the next morning with a hangover,
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with no memory of what happened. But now I'm remembering Michael Flood's approach to
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everything is even though all males are portrayed as bad guys and all women are
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portrayed as good guys, there are still more men. Therefore it's patriarchy.
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Yeah, and he does this with everything. Yeah, but there's more men.
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Yeah, but they're all assholes more or asshole a portrayal of men.
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They're assholes, red shirts, you know, life lessons or in order to
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be a hero, they have to be self sacrificing and they have to their
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focus has to be protecting women, helping women. They have to be chivalrous,
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not in the traditional sense of chivalry, but the romantic, female focused
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sense of chivalry. But sure they can outnumber And then comedy, Oh oh,
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let's talk about that for a minute. Right, who do you get
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to make fun of? Are you allowed to make fun of women? What
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happens when you make fun of women in let's comedy? Let's ask Leslie Jones
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as she feels about that. Yeah, everything goes through focus groups before it
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even makes it to the air. Yeah, those focus groups are generally a
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mixture of men and women. And if you say anything bad about women,
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the women in the focus group go, wh we don't like this, and
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so it gets re edited or it just gets quote unquote canceled before it ever
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makes it to anything. And even if it does become a show or a
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movie, the same thing happens. If they get complaints from men saying we
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don't like this because of its portrayal of men, they go long in cell
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neck beer basement losers. If they get complaints from women saying we don't like
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the way the streets women, they go, oh, no, we'll do
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better next time. And it's the same all the time, yep, and
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the get mad about stuffs they conclare about in some complaints they don't they and
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they just keep on going in that direction, assuming everything will be fine,
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even if the majority of our audience is men saying we don't like this because
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the way men. They don't care. They just wait until they get a
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complaint from a woman saying you're you're making these female characters too strong. In
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case that ever happens, but it never does. No, they'll argue about
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why this woman is not a merry suit. Well, it's one way traffic
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all the way to whenever the hell on earth. They have planned for us
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is Yeah. I look at comedy portrayals of men and women in kind of
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an interesting way. I guess when you look at what can be made fun
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of and what can be done. You know, women can be clumsy,
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that's one one thing, but it has to be harmlessly mostly harmlessly clumsy,
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right. She has to be able to get back up and be like,
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I'm okay, you know, even though she's you know, got birds spinning
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around her head or something. Whereas you can beat the hell out of a
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man for a joke. Men can be dumb. Women can be dumb,
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but not as dumb. They still have to have some sort of like in
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in movies like Clueless, they still have to have some sort of savvy and
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understanding underneath they're dumb, Whereas if you look at movies like Dumb and Dumber,
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they're just flat out morons and it's funny that they are morons, and
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everything in the world has to go wrong for them because they're morons, and
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they have to be okay with it because they're morons. Whereas the dumb girl
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still has to have some sort of success in the end. She has to
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get something out of it, some redeemable quality about it. Yeah, all,
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okay, it's got to at least be cute, right, the cute
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dumb blonde. It's you know, it's very rare, especially in modern media,
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for you to see a woman portrayed as an absolute beast, you know,
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horrible, mean, nasty, ball busting, hateful person, unless her
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victim is a little girl or another woman. You don't see as often a
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portrayal of just an absolute female monster, and the few times that you do,
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she becomes a feminist hero, like Gone Girl. So with cartoons,
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you know, you're getting kind of the same thing, right, If you're
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gonna, you know, tear all of somebody's limbs off violently for for gags
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in a cartoon and then have them reattach or something like that. If you're
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going to have creatures chase themselves or chase each other around and try to kill
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each other throughout the entire cartoon and then end up being buddies in the end.
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If you're going to have something be left out in the cold and starve
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and it's somehow funny. If you're going to have somebody get shot in the
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face and have half their face turn around and be on the back of their
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head because it's funny. That has to be a male character, and it's
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just going going all the way back to Looney Tunes and merry melodies. Has
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to be a male character, right when you bring in the female character,
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the gags that that happen are how susceptible the male characters are to the allure
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of the female character. When you've got adventure cartoons, the female characters don't
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have the self reflection, they don't have the they can't make mistakes like the
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male characters. As much if they do, the cartoon is fairly short lived.
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They can never be the bad guy, that can never be the the
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failure that has to redeem themselves. And so what we get from flood And
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in his argument about this is he says cartoons content is still gender stereotyped.
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Male characters are portrayed in highly masculinized ways. They are more they are less
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likely to be supportive and polite, less likely to be romantic than female characters.
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They're more likely to engage in physical aggression and less likely to show fear
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than female characters. And I don't know what cartoons he was watching, but
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there's always a male character that is portrayed as shameful because of his fear and
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in things like or as comical because of his fear and things like you know
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the old cartoons that we grew up with, where there was you know,
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at least some whiny, feiney male character that was always afraid to go do
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this or that, whereas the female characters it was portrayed as sensible when they
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were scared, right. They were the voice of reason when they were scared,
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right right, which which reminds me only of Pepe lepu. You remember
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that card too. Oh, I'm surprised that that lasted as long as it
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did and they haven't really come for it yet, unless there might be a
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Guardian article out there, Yeah that exists. But yeah, it's like,
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what was he watching? How old is this guy? I? You know,
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I don't know how old he is chronologically, I want to say intellectually,
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psychologically he's twelve. Yeah, but uh, that probably would be considered
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rude. I might say it anyway. I do that all the time.
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This is why people keep telling me you must be autistic. I only listen
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when my doctor says it. Though. Yeah, and they did cancel Pepi
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La Pew. They made a big deal about that, even though everything that
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he does is portrayed is inappropriate and offensive to the to the female, and
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the comedy is that that, you know, he doesn't get it, and
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he keeps, uh, he keeps getting getting in, getting her into uh,
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bizarre situations because she's trying to get away from him, and then when
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when she ends up smelling like a skunk or looking like a skunk, then
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he's no longer interested. Yeah, which is commentary of itself. Yeah,
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right, Like he's the he's the clown in the whole thing. He's this
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the butt of the joke, and they don't get it because they're mad that
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being the butt of the joke entails being clueless about the female's lack of interest
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in him. Right, but yeah, there you go. But they still
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cancel him, and it's still he's still in cartoons. Just I don't know
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a masculate did. I guess. I don't know what they exactly did to
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him. It's like the modern Looney Tunes sucked so bad that my kids wouldn't
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watch them, so uh yeah, but somebody pointed out and anime also because
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he he when he talks about cartoons, I'm sure he's talking only about Western
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cartoons here, but in anime and manga, and he's probably not talking about
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comics either. Uh. Female characters can commit atrocities, and but it's only
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as long as they have as long as they have a SOB story, they're
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forgiven. Right. Male characters aren't forgiven for that they're they're the bad guy.
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Their SOB stories don't matter. And that's true for the for the most
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part. There are a few instances where you learn what shaped the bad guy
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and we're supposed to have compassion. And then all of feminist social media explodes
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in outrage over the idea that we should even consider how a guy becomes a
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sociopath or a psychopath, Like, how dare you You're trying to humanize him?
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Yeah, that would that would be the goal there. And of course
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he's citing Anderson for this again, but I'll bet Anderson had more to say
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about it than that. Gender. The gender content of cartoons has changed little
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over a sixty year period. Physical attractiveness is emphasized more for female characters,
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and intelligence more for male characters, like like like Yogi Bear the first thing
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I gave of too, it's really awful. Female characters are more likely than
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male to be shown in secondary roles such as helpers. Like I've seen cartoons
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where female characters are the only characters or are the main characters at least,
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like totally Spies, you know, and oh gosh, I can't think of
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the name of the one with the naked mole rat. These are again,
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these are kids cartoons that my kids watched. So and and I actually Kim
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possible. I actually know a couple of adults my age that have the ring
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tone from that as their phone ring tone because either their first name or their
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middle name is Kim. So there you go that. You know, this
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makes me think of I love Animaniacs. That's one of my absolute favorite all
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time cartoons. But this reminds me of Mindy, Mindy and Buttons. Right,
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so, Mindy was just a little baby girl and she completely ruled over
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the dog over you know what I mean. He had to protect her and
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she was just you know, she was running wild. The original Animaniac could
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not be made today. People would find it offensive. Yeah, yeah,
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I can't remember that. It was. It also Mindy that did the Okay,
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mister Beardy Man, love you bye bye, you know, like that
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yeah, so that character. I actually thought that character is hilarious, you
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know, but I think feminists would get mad about her today. Wow,
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if you've ever babysat a little girl whose whose parents don't put the kabash to
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that that character, that character is fucking hell? Areas just from just for
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that? Yeah, oh my gosh. But yeah, no, she doesn't
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exist. Never happened, you know, there were never whole movies about where
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where the female character was the protagonist. I can erase that part of my
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childhood where I was actually traumatized when the kangaroo abandoned Dot, which none of
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you guys know what I'm talking about. It's old, old cartoon movie starts
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out with the little girl being a real little girl in a real family in
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a real setting like film blah blah blah, and she gets lost. She's
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Australian. She gets lost in the bush and she gets rescued by by a
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kangaroo takes her on an adventure and then brings her back to her family and
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then vanishes. And it ends with this girl playtifully calling after this kangaroo and
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the the credits start rolling and there's no reconciliation. It shows that like maybe
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she'll get to see the Kangaroo again. And I will tell you I was
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traumatized. I literally spent a whole day on and off crying over the end
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of that movie when I was a little kid. My mom wouldn't let me
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watch it again after that. But no, no, no, there's there's
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no no more, none of that. That doesn't exist. Albert Nada retro
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gives his two dollars Canadian and says yellow nurse and need more be said.
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That's that's Hello Nurse, not yellow Nurse. Hello Nurse. Yeah, I'm
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sure feminist would hate that character. I mean, but The Animaniacs was chock
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full of of strong female characters. Yeah, I mean, Slappy the Squirrel,
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even Yacko Wacko and Dot Dot was really the fucking main character. Yeah
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you know what I mean. The boys always played around her, well,
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at least she always took center stage. You know. She had one more
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element to her personality in that she was quite stringently feminist. Well that she
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was resentful of the boys because they were boys. Jacko and Whaka were entirely
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interchangeable. Apart from their voices, yeah, very different voices, but apart
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from that, they were the same. They were all the same character except
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Dot was a little bit miss andrac But that was that was normal in those
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days, just like as normal in these days, just like it was normal
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before those days. Even in animniacs there was a little bit of yeah,
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boys and gross throw rocks at them and stuff like that, but it was
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you know, it was bands between boys and girls, and it was it
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was before the days when it got the political. Now it was allowed to
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go a little bit both ways. And you know, I mean as you
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go further back in time, the further back in time you go, the
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more it was allowed to go both ways to where if you look at if
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you look at old cartoons like the the Wacky Races and the cartoons those were
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based on the variety of cartoons. I don't know, gen xers will remember
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things like, you know, grape Ape and oh gosh, Droopy and you
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know, like all these all these characters that were just they were out of
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the sixties, right that not the Pink Panther, what is his name?
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The Snagglepuss, like all those different ones. And they had many famously not
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quite closeted gay characters from yeah, yep, And they had characters. Yeah.
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Yeah, And then of course I had characters that were were based on
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characters from movies, like the characters from the movie The Great Race and and
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the the If you go back to the movie The Great Race, there was
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a feminist character in that movie, and her feminism kind of got defeated by
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by the sort of superior capability and and into interestingness, I guess, of
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the the main male character. But everybody was sort of overshadowed I think by
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uh, Jack Lemon's character in that movie. And that character was made into
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a cartoon character. His sidekick had to be a dog. But uh,
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they say they turned I remember Max because the character says Max name, Max's
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name all the time. But all of these, all of these things tin
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pottles is, don't ask me details about these. They were based on flash
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visual recollections from my son watching TV in the early seventies. That's is I'm
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remembering watching these in the early seventies as well. We used to watch so
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it used to be that you didn't just turn on the television and there were
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cartoons. When I was a kid, cartoons were on a little bit after
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school, but mostly it was Saturday morning. You had cartoons on for a
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number of hours on Saturday morning before the cartoons would go off, and you
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were expected to do this weird thing called going outside and playing at the park.
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But yeah, we used to really enjoy those, right as kids.
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And we'd watch that and then if usually there'd be like maybe a Three Stooges
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movie or a a kung Fu movie or something. And this is the thing
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that feminists don't get about girls. If you don't tell girls that a role
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model has to be female in order for them to identify, they don't limit
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their identity to female characters. Their identification to female characters. Right, They
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will go outside with the boys and poke each other's eyes out and make donking
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noises and stuff just as much as the boys do in response to Three Stooges
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movies, knock each other in the head and all that kind of stuff.
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They don't even they kind of ignore the female characters in those movies. They
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don't really care so much. They don't have to be the female characters because
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it's the guys knocking each other around and getting knocked around that are the funny
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characters. And that's how who everybody imitates. Right, we did the same
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thing with pro wrestling. We didn't pretend to walk around the ring holding up
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numbers or anything, being the girlfriend of the wrestler and all that. Like,
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we just threw each other around and and you know, pretended to be
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yelling at each other into a microphone, said the most ridiculous things known to
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mand you know, just what you saw on television. And we played Kung
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Fu, we played Star Wars. Heck, my first little girlfriend was always
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Luke Skywalker when we played Star Wars, always because she was the blonde.
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So there you go. But but yeah, feminists don't get that. They
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don't get it. Girls. Girls don't have to see other girls doing things.
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Oh yeah. Richard Bierre says, we turned on the VA waited for
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around fifteen minutes before the picture was visible because the tubes had to warm up.
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The sound came in sooner, though, yes, it didn't quite take
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that long with the TVs that we had at my house. But I remember
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we had the TV and then we had an extra TV, which was kind
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of unusual. But the extra TV was black and white. So if you
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know, Dad was watching something else and we wanted to watch cartoons, we
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watched them in black and white, its interesting to see and Captain Kangaroo and
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stuff like that too. It was interesting to see that there were episodes of
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that in color because because I first watched it all in black and white.
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You know. So scrolling through YouTube today, I saw a short that somebody
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posted and it must have been like a TikTok video or whatever. But anyway,
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so it looks like it's probably the wife who's taking the video. But
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so the caption goes, yeah, the husband saved up and bought this eighty
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five inch television, but he has kids. So the kids are sitting in
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the couch watching cartoons and he's sitting on the couch watching the game on his
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phone. Yeah, Jesus Christ, Yeah, that's we. We didn't do
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that. We had we had the spare TV was in a separate room,
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and we watched more than dad. A lot of the times. We watched
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a lot of stuff on Saturday morning in color because he was working. You'd
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be out photographing some event where they mom and dad would be at a wedding
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and we'd have the grandparents over. But but yeah, so we I enjoyed
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watching television in black and white. Didn't really seem to make a whole lot
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of difference to me till I got older and it was like, wow,
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that's old, that's that's like old technology. But but yeah, the TV.
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He tried to pick the damn thing up. You think old computer monitors
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are heavy, these things were heavy. We also had lightning blow one up
32:13
all over our living room. That was kind of cool, not really,
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but yeah. We came home from somewhere and there had been a thunderstorm and
32:21
you walk into the living room and there like Mom's like stop and everybody stopped,
32:27
and she turns on the light and there are glass bits and television guts
32:31
all over the living room floor. You can see this big hole and it
32:36
was still. It was still kind of you could smell the smoke it Obviously
32:42
something in it had burned out, and there was there was other damage,
32:45
but that that was the weirdest thing to come home to. At first we
32:50
thought the house had been broken into, and Dad was like, no,
32:52
that blew out. Something happened that blew out. And then we had electrical
32:58
problems and they're like, oh, lightning struck the d there's a burn mark
33:00
on the on the roof. Lightning struck the house. That lightning struck that
33:05
house twice when I was living there, and it got hit by two tornadoes.
33:14
Our insurance company hated us. Albert Data Retro gave us five dollars Canadian
33:17
and said, this woman has a weird name. That's not what he says,
33:24
Melanieal Melonneral, I don't know who this person is Melonnial malk, Melanie
33:30
Mac, Melanie mack. Okay, so it's dis misspelled. I never know
33:34
with girls names because they make shit up and then that's their name. There
33:38
might be some Irish was always missing that. Yeah, but it's it's like,
33:45
my name is Luna, Queen Wolfina, you know it gets fuck out
33:52
of here. Your name is Jane shuts fuck up. It has a video
33:55
called the Double Standard is Real, regarding that scene from Thor, Love and
34:00
Thunder that I won't let go give it a look. I don't know,
34:05
do you want me to pull my hair out? That sounds like a feminist
34:07
video. But yeah, let's see here. No comment, just no comment.
34:19
Yeah, So he goes on and it's the same argument again. In
34:23
children's books, there are twice nearly twice as many female main characters. Female
34:29
characters are more likely to be portrayed inside the home and without paid occupation.
34:34
Then this makes me laugh because I'm just wondering who's sitting there counting all these
34:42
fucking characters. Really, this is this is what you're reduced to. Feminists
34:50
trying to get through. The gender studies degree is exactly the kind of ship
34:54
test. Yeah I haven't. I have done a gender studies degree, not
35:00
now, and not twenty years ago, not thirty years ago. But this
35:04
is exactly the sort of thing they did. I did a drama degree,
35:07
and yes there were modules based on this sort of thing, and yes they
35:10
do make you study, you know, portrayals and and search through it for
35:19
good feminist messages and bad feminist messages. Oh sad that you interpret and that
35:25
the man that must therefore be there. And yeah, it's kind of dumb,
35:34
brainwatching the youngest people they can brainwash. Remember these cartoons you liked?
35:38
Yeah, feminism, this is this whole thing is dumb. I'm looking at
35:44
this. And I was an avid reader when I was a kid. Just
35:49
I read everything I could get my hands on. If I could not have
35:52
phone books to read, i'd i read the backs of cereal boxes like that
35:54
would have been I read everything. I read instruction manuals for things, and
36:00
I read the encyclopedia set that my my parents had. They actually bought me
36:06
a kid's encyclopedia because they they thought it would be more interesting for me.
36:12
I read that too. But the first thing that really got a good grip
36:21
on my psyche, you know, I'm going to read this probably was the
36:29
Beverly Claary Ramona Quimby series when I was like a little kid, and it
36:37
was before I really got into sci fi and horror and fantasy and all that.
36:43
There's nothing in that like he's talking about. The The female characters were
36:52
little girls, except for the mom who had a job even when she was
36:57
pregnant. Right the main male character, the male character. There was a
37:01
little boy male character occasionally that got mentioned that had his own series, and
37:07
then there was the dad. There wasn't this portrayal he's talking about. And
37:14
then I went through a variety of books, you know, like everything from
37:22
books with the main characters being little animals and inanimate objects to you know,
37:30
you have Doctor Seuss, which it's kind of difficult in a lot of Doctor
37:35
Seuss's work to apply gender because the creatures are completely imaginary and even their names
37:42
and their characteristics. Their physical characteristics don't necessarily imply gender, right, But
37:50
you know he said, you know, he we had one fish to fish,
37:55
redfish, bluefish. But I didn't see anything about gayfish anywhere. No.
38:00
No, obviously doctor Seuss did not like fish sticks. Albert Ataretro gives
38:07
us five dollars and says, sorry for the typo. Melanie is not a
38:12
feminist. She doesn't like to see neither. Everyone should check it out.
38:15
Thumbs up. There you go. But yeah, I just none of this
38:22
is I have to wonder he doesn't really give a citation for that claim either.
38:29
I have to wonder how many kids' books he looked into for that,
38:31
because there's not a study on which that statement is based. It's just a
38:36
statement. And then he says the same thing about toy commercials on TV.
38:42
Toy commercials show boys in a wider range of interactions, competitive, cooperative,
38:46
independent than girls. And again, this is a twenty fourteen thing, so
38:52
I wonder what was looked at for that. This goes back to twenty fourteen
38:55
because I remember growing up with ads where the Atari twenty six hundred was advertised
39:01
to both sexes girls were portrayed as competitive board games advertised to both sexes.
39:08
Girls were portrayed as competitive and cooperative and independent. Dolls were more advertised to
39:17
girls and boys, but they were advertised to both sexes. There were dolls
39:22
for boys, not just action figures, but actual like the soft bodied dolls,
39:28
the talking dolls, the walking dolls. They advertised those little creepy fuckers
39:31
to both sexes, and they portrayed boys playing with them the same way that
39:42
girls did. Even when my kid was little, even when my my all
39:46
three of my kids were little, there was some doll called My Buddy that
39:51
was advertised to boys, and they made out like it was the first doll
39:53
advertised to boys, even though they advertised a similar doll all in the seventies
40:00
to boys. Didn't catch on, but they did advertise it. The Star
40:06
Wars toys, those were advertised to both sexes. I remember My Buddy.
40:10
Yeah, and then they had and then and then they had kids, sister,
40:16
Yes, wherever I go, y'all gotta count Jesus Christ. Yeah.
40:23
The songs some of those ads that were kind of creepy. Yeah, So
40:30
of those the dolls were creepy. Tyler Preston says, my Buddy inspired the
40:35
Chucky movies. I wouldn't be surprised, you know. It's it's kind of
40:40
bullshit that that it's portrayed differently for boys and girls. Plato advertised to both
40:47
sexes still today. I don't know if Barbie is advertised to both sexes.
40:53
But but a lot of stuff, action figures, video games, movies advertised
41:01
to both sexes. This is bullshit. So I like, I don't know
41:06
what they were looking at, but they're obviously not looking at the broad spectrum
41:09
of media out there. Yeah, there's a lot of pink toys, but
41:15
there's not a lot of blue toys. Yeah that's reductive, but yeah,
41:22
Bobby was paying jud Joe was green. But even even like Legos, you
41:30
know what I mean, Lego Legos were gender lists. But then they had
41:34
to start pushing like, oh the girl sets. They do have pink Legos
41:39
and shit like that. You know, they didn't have to. Obviously there's
41:46
a niche for it, you know what I mean. There's not a niche,
41:49
but there's a market for it. And clearly you're gonna make more money
41:52
if you market to little girls, because the parents of little girls are gonna
41:55
say, do you like it's just like what the boys do, but it's
42:00
for girls yea. And the key words that flood is given are competitive and
42:07
cooperative as opposed to independent, and it's it's very much given as an example
42:16
of toxic toxic masculinity, isn't it. Competitiveness being being turning everything into a
42:22
competition is considered something that boys do more than girls, and therefore is toxic
42:29
masculinity. I guess dolls are a kind of toy that doesn't involve competition or
42:35
cooperation until it does the girls A little girls ever, like this is how
42:40
I'm looking out at my doll. It's better than your doll? Do they
42:44
ever do that? They probably do in a passive aggressive of all we did
42:50
was one of my my childhood friends. Growing up. We used to make
42:55
clothes for Barbie we rather than buying them. So like, I don't know
43:01
what everybody else's mom did, but when I would, I got tall fast
43:07
as a little girl, so and I didn't get any bigger around as I
43:12
was getting older, So my long sleeve shirts became short sleeve shirts. She
43:15
would cut off, you know, the the ends of the sleeves and him
43:20
them so that I could I could still have that shirt, and a lot
43:25
of little girls like dressy shirts they would have at that time. There would
43:31
be elastic around the edge of the sleeve, and then there'd be a little
43:36
ruffle on the other side of the elastic from the part of the sleeve that
43:39
went up your arm, So would this ruffle would sort of hang over your
43:44
hand a little bit. And so when I got tall enough that that wouldn't
43:50
come all the way down to my wrist anymore, that part would get cut
43:52
off and the sleeve would get hemmed up, and she'd put like islet lace
43:57
or something on it. And I would have this sleeve and it was the
44:01
perfect fit for a long time. Because I was a skinny little fucker.
44:07
It was the perfect fit to make a Barbie skirt out of the elastic part.
44:13
I just had to hem up the bottom of it. And I would
44:15
do stuff like that, and so my friend would have to try to make
44:17
something better and fancier, and between the two of us we would add things
44:22
and subtrac things, and we ended up making clothing that looked like it came
44:25
out of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, like really weird shit but the other one
44:32
was Barbie karaoke. We didn't call it that, but that's what it was.
44:38
And because I had a stereo, and so we would play my tapes
44:45
or my records and pretend the Barbies were singing, and they'd have a singing
44:50
contest and you had to move to the doll to dance, and it was
44:57
a competition, and we were competitive, and we would put on shows and
45:01
everything with our Matt Max clothes singing on the stage. To like, it
45:08
was really really weird. I suppose way to play with them. Everybody else's
45:14
portrayed on television, as you know, needing the Barbie house and pretending Barbie
45:19
has a family and Ken goes off to work and all that kind of stuff.
45:22
But I mean that's just like real life. And Barbie staying home would
45:30
have been weird to us because our moms worked. So it was just not
45:35
the way we played with the doll. And we were competitive about it.
45:39
We were competitive about a lot of other things too. I can climb higher
45:43
in this tree than you can. I always won that. I always won
45:46
monkey bar tag, I always won balancing competitions, getting up on top of
45:52
stuff and climbing and all that I was very competitive as a little kid,
46:00
and I don't I don't remember seeing any portrayals on television that convinced me to
46:07
be different than that that I thought, Oh, you can't do that your
46:09
girl. Maybe uh, maybe he's watching different stuff than I watched. But
46:19
the thing that really gets me with this, all this about toy commercials and
46:23
cartoons and all that, what's interesting to me is, uh, feminists talk
46:29
about this stuff as though if there is not a separate, designated, designed
46:40
for and advertised specifically to girls thing, that genre, that niche, that
46:53
whatever it is, that thing isn't for girls. So cars, like if
47:00
a car is just a car and it's intended to just be driven around as
47:07
a tool to get places, and there is nothing about it that is specifically
47:12
marketed in a stereotypical feminine way. It's not for girls. It's not for
47:19
women. There's a toy that's just a puzzle, and all the portrayal is
47:28
is this puzzle is difficult, and you're very smart if you can solve it,
47:34
and it's different every time you do it because it falls at random and
47:38
you have to find the solution each time. And that's it. And there's
47:45
no, it's pink, or look here's a girl doing it, or anything
47:51
along those lines that you say, well, okay, this is specific to
47:55
females and not just in general everybody. Then then it's not for girls.
48:05
But you don't have to have a specific portrayal of boys. Do this.
48:08
Boys enjoy this. This is for boys. In order for boys to be
48:14
expected to like something, it's like it's boys are expected to show up.
48:22
Girls have to be invited. And I don't think feminists will ever be able
48:30
to reconcile that. So he says. Thus, in media representations, boys
48:35
are not marginal, nor are they denigrated, which I would argue that quite
48:38
frequently they are denigrated. Their portrayed is somebody that you can denigrate. Boys
48:45
are portrayed as the gender that matters, that gets things done. Boys are
48:51
the default, the norm, and that again realies on what I just said.
48:55
Like you, girls are only in clues uted if they are singled out
49:01
and attention is drawn to them. Mm hmm right. Uh. The upside
49:09
down world of men are marginalized rhetoric such as uh Steve Steve Biddelf's book Rising
49:17
Boys, Men are often targets of ridicule cule in the media. Yet actual
49:22
studies on media representation find persistent patterns of male dominance and sexist stereotyping. Notice
49:28
he didn't debunk the men often are often targets of ridicule statement. There no,
49:36
of course not. It's like he doesn't even have to. It's just
49:38
because the x there's x number of men and it's greater than the number of
49:44
women. That just it means everything. That's the only thing that matters to
49:49
this guy. Yeah, like you have a complaint you shot me. Well
49:52
you've got big muscles. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't That doesn't deny that
49:59
you shot me at all. Like, dude, just address this statement.
50:07
I can't do that. He can't even address what's what's uh the actual argument.
50:13
So now we get into media ownership and control, right, He says
50:17
a second important way in which the media is not anti mail but in fact
50:22
male dominated, is that much of the media is quote owned and controlled by
50:29
men. Women historically were absent and excluded from decision making and ownership in the
50:35
media industries, and this pattern continues today. And he has a citation for
50:39
this one. You know this, this is the same fucking argument that feminists
50:45
use for the vote right. I mean it's men always had it, women
50:54
historically never ever had it. But you know, it doesn't mean that they
51:00
didn't actually have fucking political influence, you know what I mean? So this
51:06
O God, he's too much for me. So you mean there's not a
51:12
bunch of women at the heads of these companies, Well, then take it
51:19
up with women. There's there's another flaw that I noticed in this argument.
51:23
Right, this is a constant thing with feminists. I see with feminists too.
51:30
They portray things. They discuss things that men do as things that men
51:37
have, as if those things were handed to men and denied to women.
51:44
Right, right, So how did how do men get control of a newspaper,
51:50
for instance, or magazine? Who started those newspapers and magazines? Who
51:57
originated them? Who put up the capital? Yeah? Like journalism, journalism
52:06
literally started with people's diaries, right. They write things down and they share
52:12
what they wrote with other people, and it's mostly a male behavior informing the
52:23
public. This is going on in my area, what's going on in your
52:28
area? This is going on in this area far away from you, guys,
52:31
thought you should know this leader did this thing? Everybody needs to know
52:37
about, Like that's that's traditionally. Men started doing that, and then when
52:44
it became profitable, they built companies and hired more people to do that more,
52:52
and eventually women got interested in it and started doing it also. And
52:57
then along comes Michael Flood complaining that women have been denied, historically denied control
53:02
over this. Well, no men created this, men built this, men
53:08
cultivated this, men grew this, men spread this, men made it a
53:15
thing worth doing for profit, They made it prestigious. And then women were
53:23
like, I want to be part of that. And there's nothing wrong with
53:28
wanting to be part of that and wanting to contribute to it. But there's
53:30
a hell of a lot wrong with complaining as if men kept you out of
53:35
it. Stop complaining about things men did, as if they are just things
53:39
men had arbitrarily for no reason and denied them to women. Because it's not
53:45
true exactly, but that's what he says. Ownership of and policy setting for
53:52
media is overwhelmingly dominated by men like Oprah Winfrey. Oh he didn't say like
53:58
Oprah Winfrey, typically highly economically privileged white men like Oprah Wintry. Oh wait,
54:09
that's not work it out. While there more widely formal and informal discrimination
54:16
has prevented women from being hired, promoted, and retained in news and other
54:22
media industries. Has he ever watched the news? It may be historically more
54:34
men were anchors, Historically more men were interested in that job, but female
54:40
news presenters. There have been female news anchors on the evening news back when
54:46
it was just the evening news. Since I was a kid, there were
54:52
female presenters. This is crazy, exactly. And and now what's happening now
55:01
is that women are pushing their way into men's locker rooms to report on the
55:07
news, you know, yeah something since but yeah, and yeah, but
55:20
like they're they're they're trying to shoehorn women into like sports reporting, sports news
55:25
reporting. Nobody wants to listen to women talk about a sport that they don't
55:30
play. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's just ridiculous the way
55:36
they're trying to force women into it. And it's not that women don't necessarily
55:40
want to do it. It's just that there's not it's not what men want,
55:45
it's not what people who who consume sports entertainment media, it's not what
55:53
they want. Yeah, you know, forget, there's just not enough women
56:00
got to get some more in there that'll fix everything, right, Like,
56:05
a lot of the most popular sports commentators are former athletes. I don't know
56:12
if women understand that or not, but that's a fact, right, I
56:15
don't know. Anyway, he goes on with you know, for example,
56:20
a news media men are a majority of journalists and overwhelming majority of upper management
56:25
men are a majority of TV news directors, TV reporters, and front page
56:30
newspaper writers. So I'm gonna latch onto the front page thing real quick here.
56:40
There are a lot of times when getting on the front page is a
56:46
result of a reporter seeking out a story that will appeal to readers or be
56:54
important enough to readers that management will want to put it on the front page.
57:00
This isn't something that gets handed to them. It's something that the reporter
57:06
finds out about this thing is going on. I'm going to talk about it,
57:10
and they present it to their editor, and the editor's like, yeah,
57:14
we have to talk about that. Let's you go ahead and research it
57:16
and write it and we'll publish it. And it's big news, so it
57:21
goes on the front page. That is not necessarily a matter of women being
57:28
denied space or women being denied interesting stories. My experience is that it's women
57:36
not seeking out stories that are worthy of the front page. And when it
57:42
comes to directors, like again, this is a matter of what women seek
57:52
out to do. If a woman wants to become a director, she can
57:55
become a director. If a woman wants to be able, she can be
58:00
a reporter. If a woman wants to be a writer, she can be
58:07
a writer. There isn't some club with meetings and rules that you have to
58:16
jump through, a set of hoops that men don't have to jump through to
58:20
get to these positions. Feminists kind of make up that there is, and
58:24
it's bullshit. Yeah exactly, And you know it just it floors me that
58:34
this guy is making the argument that, you know, well, men own
58:37
everything. Look, men do all these jobs. They're all of the directors
58:42
and the reporters, they're all in upper management. And then he's befuddled by
58:46
this, well, this representation that he's made in his mind that or boys
58:53
are portrayed as the gender that matters, that gets things done. Well,
58:59
you're telling it everybody that they're the ones doing every fucking thing. So which
59:02
is it? Boys are the sex it gets things done? How dare you
59:07
portray that raise? It's just what I mean. But just look at look
59:14
at the they're doing everything, They're doing all the jobs. How there,
59:17
How dare you portray them as the ones that get things done and don't forget
59:22
news spelled upside down is men? Well something like that new upside down is
59:30
men with a backwards E, which just goes to show you that news is
59:35
made for and by men. Even though upside down of men would be the
59:39
opposite of men or the complimentary of men, which would be women, but
59:43
that's not the point. It's men. It's a particular kind of men,
59:45
which is upside down news men, which is which is the same as women.
59:52
Shut up, There are more men than women. You know, it's
59:57
interesting, uh they they There are some things that he ign here, among
1:00:02
other things. For instance, if if a man wants to have a regular
1:00:07
syndicated news column or call him in a publication without providing any journalistic value where
1:00:16
he's you know, reporting on news or trends or whatever, he has to
1:00:23
be able to be an expert in something. You know, I'm going to
1:00:27
give you advice on how to fix your car, going to give you advice
1:00:31
on how to do home repair, right, something along those lines. Women
1:00:38
can do that. You know, I'm going to give you advice on how
1:00:43
to teach your kids, I'm going to give you advice on how to clean
1:00:49
your clean your house, you know, or whatever, or even you know,
1:00:52
the things that men give advice about. But it seems to be a
1:00:57
rare thing for an advice columnist about how to fix your life, how to
1:01:02
respond socially to various situations, what is or is not considered to be polite
1:01:09
in polite society, and such. Those are all only women can do that
1:01:16
for the most part. Those are all feminine things. Only women are allowed
1:01:20
to tell people how to live and how to how to interact with each other
1:01:25
and so on. That type of advice is maybe in magazines that are just
1:01:34
for men. Some men might do that. But if you look in a
1:01:38
you know, nationally syndicated column in your local newspaper, or in popular magazines
1:01:46
that are not dedicated to a particular gender, or even websites news websites that
1:01:52
have these types of columns, the advisor is female, right, The advisor
1:01:59
that tells you what what is a faux pas, a social faux pas when
1:02:05
you when you wear it to your sister's wedding, as opposed to what is
1:02:08
appropriate, what type of gift you should bring to this or that event,
1:02:15
what type of treatment you should expect in the workplace, and and uh,
1:02:22
you know what characteristics you should look for in a partner. Those types of
1:02:25
advisors are almost always women. And uh, you don't usually get any complaints
1:02:34
from feminists about that. Women are the arbiters of normalcy, and feminists don't
1:02:42
even talk about that. But yeah, you know who who's reporting on this
1:02:49
bombing or that new law that's been passed, or this football game and who
1:02:55
won and so on. That's a big deal. He goes on. Let's
1:03:04
see, for example, the United States Federal Communications Commissions November twenty twelve.
1:03:09
We're still again. This is a ten year old report. November twenty twelve
1:03:15
report on ownership of commercial broadcast stations found that men own the vast bulk of
1:03:22
majority interest in US broadcast stations. So that's another deceptive statement here, because
1:03:30
we're talking about investors the vast bulk of majority interest, not the companies themselves
1:03:38
are not singlely owned, right, that's people who have purchased in, you
1:03:45
know, interest in this purchased sections or segments or shares in these companies,
1:03:55
or they own outlets like they're fifty percent owner or seventy five percent owner of
1:04:02
this building and so on. Now, it's very convenient that he doesn't take
1:04:11
into account the fact that there are very few people who control and own media
1:04:17
outlets like Rupert Murdoch. You know, you think that CNN and Fox News
1:04:26
or any different No, they're owned in controlled by the very same people.
1:04:30
It's just a different side, it's just a different spin, it's just a
1:04:34
different take, yep. And you look at it. It's how how people
1:04:40
spend their money. Mm hmm, right, men invest in stuff like this.
1:04:46
A woman will drop five thousand dollars on a dress that she's gonna wear
1:04:50
once. Right. A woman will drop, you know, five hundred dollars
1:04:58
on a pair of shoes that she's gonna wear once once and then she's never
1:05:05
gonna wear them again. And and it's worth it because it's for her perfect
1:05:11
day, right, her day, not their day, her day. Where
1:05:18
a guy takes, you know, to treat his money as a tool that
1:05:23
he needs to use to make more money, and then when he has more
1:05:28
money, then if he drops five thousand dollars on something. It has to
1:05:33
work for him. It has to do something for him, entertain him,
1:05:38
be useful to him, be enjoyable for him, distress go on vacation,
1:05:43
Like if he drops five thousand dollars, he's going to Maui or something like.
1:05:47
That's that's the difference. You know, he bought hill. A woman
1:05:53
will spend five thousand dollars on a dress and then criticize a guy for buying
1:05:56
season tickets to be able to see his particular favorite athletic team perform over and
1:06:04
over again for several over the course of several months. Right, and she'll
1:06:11
she'll excuse her shopping trips as retail therapy. Yep, yep, it's just
1:06:17
occurred to me. Traditionally, weddings are paid for by the father of the
1:06:21
bride. I have to wonder what the the onset of fatherlessness is doing to
1:06:30
where the hell people are getting the money to pay for all the lavish weddings.
1:06:34
The husband, the husband, it's the nearest richest man in the equation.
1:06:43
Yeah, and see that's that was when when my husband and I got
1:06:45
married, and you know, when we said we're going to get married.
1:06:48
My parents were like, well, how much is this going to be?
1:06:51
What are we going to do? And I'm like, we're not spending a
1:06:55
bunch of money on this? And we didn't. We we we we really
1:07:01
didn't. We barely spend anything in comparison to what people usually spend. We
1:07:06
didn't do the big reception hall and all that stuff either. But you know,
1:07:12
we weren't twenty and we were almost thirty, So there you go.
1:07:17
But I've seen women spend tens of thousands of dollars on that one day and
1:07:25
then get divorced five years later, and I have to wonder what their dads
1:07:29
are thinking. So men will spend The reason that women don't have big investment
1:07:36
in stuff like this is because, first of all, they're used to spending
1:07:41
other people's money on shit like I'm going to waste, you know, ten
1:07:45
to thirty thousand dollars on this celebration of a lifelong commitment that is only going
1:07:53
to last me five years, right, And when they get big chunks of
1:08:01
money that they can spend to invest in something like this, they don't.
1:08:09
They don't take their risks, or they spend it on things that they want.
1:08:15
They spend it on themselves, not on something that will make a profit
1:08:20
for them, right, and it's they They spend it on clothes and purses
1:08:29
and makeup and hair so that they can attract a guy of higher value because
1:08:35
that's what she deserves. I need somebody on my level, you know.
1:08:42
I saw I saw women when I worked at the pharmacy come in and spend
1:08:48
one hundred dollars in a shopping trip on ways to make themselves look different than
1:08:54
they actually looked, goop to put on to hide their actual facial features,
1:09:05
like just that, and that was you know. Then they'd agonize over the
1:09:10
cost of of soup. Well if you didn't just drop twenty five dollars on
1:09:15
a tube of lipstick. And this is exactly what these fucking bitches are doing.
1:09:19
Okay, They're spending all their money to get dulled up to attract men
1:09:26
so that they can take them out to buy them dinner because they can't fucking
1:09:29
afford anything and they don't know how to cook. Yeah, disgusting, It's
1:09:35
disgusting. I don't know. I don't know any man who would rather you
1:09:40
spend that underground on makeup than no stakes. Yeah. See, that's that's
1:09:45
what I do with crazy hat and with the and with the makeup spindle of
1:09:50
your face and makeups make us a steak. We don't give a ship how
1:09:56
high you are on the fucking ten market. Fucking feed us and shut the
1:10:00
fuck up, and your leagues ahead of most bitches. Yeah. So I
1:10:06
look at this and I'm like this, this thing of talking about things men
1:10:13
do and build and maintain as if they are just things men have for no
1:10:20
reason and women are excluded from, when actually no, women just didn't participate
1:10:28
in the doing, the making, the building, the maintaining of these things.
1:10:34
That's that's bullshit. That is one of the most fundamental building blocks in
1:10:40
the feminist wall of bullshit. And it stinks, he says in his study
1:10:49
of the top two hundred and fifty highest grossing movies of twenty twenty one.
1:10:57
There we go. Okay, only twenty of behind the scenes roles were filled
1:11:02
by women. Okay, I got it. So basically, what you're saying
1:11:11
is the grunt work to make these films happen is mostly done by men.
1:11:18
The hard stuff, I guarantee you well, it's very similar percentages for people
1:11:26
who actually applied for that in the first place. Is much like politics.
1:11:30
The only quarter of people in politics and women. You only quote people who
1:11:33
apply for politics are women only. The people who apply for dog's body jobs
1:11:40
behind the camera are women. But a great deal of the people who apply
1:11:45
for jobs as actors are women. In fact, I'd say it's dominated by
1:11:49
women, and they'll find a way to make that misogynistic as well. Again,
1:11:58
that's the feminist, the feminist bullshit block of arguing about things men do
1:12:08
as if they are things men have. I just you get a job driving
1:12:15
a taxi and the company uses nice cars. Oh, you get to drive
1:12:23
a Lexus, you get to drive a Lincoln, you get to drive a
1:12:26
Bentley whatever. I don't think they're Bentley taxis, but in any case,
1:12:31
you know, you get to drive this. You get to drive a Cadillac,
1:12:33
you get to drive a Crown Victoria back in the day. Whatever.
1:12:40
No, it's not get to you applied for the job, You got the
1:12:45
licensing for the job, and applied for the job. You paid thousands of
1:12:50
dollars for that license. Actually, you drove up to a particular standard and
1:12:58
you get to drive that car because it happens to be what the company uses.
1:13:01
So that the women that call a taxi to take them home after they
1:13:05
walk out on their boyfriend can write and comfort. Yeah, the same thing
1:13:13
here. Movies showcase femininity in a lot of different ways. They showcase the
1:13:20
value that society imparts on women, the importance, the the way that we
1:13:30
we look at women as as the goal. You like, women as the
1:13:34
moral measuring stick, and so on. Right, movies will showcase that,
1:13:41
and men will do the manual labor to make it perfect. But women women
1:13:48
don't apply to do those jobs. They don't go looking for those jobs because
1:13:54
they want to be the woman portraying the moral measuring stick, goal, the
1:14:00
important person that everybody in the movie is focused on protecting or providing for or
1:14:06
winning her attention or you know that she's overcoming all odds and blah blah blah,
1:14:14
Like that's who they want to be. They all want that little,
1:14:16
single individual position, and only the woman who fits at the best or is
1:14:24
the most capable of portraying that gets it. And all of the other women
1:14:29
then get mad because they didn't get to be involved in the making of the
1:14:32
movie. Well, you didn't apply for something else, You didn't try for
1:14:36
something else. Nobody wants to be an extra. Every woman wants to be
1:14:41
the star. That's why. So women were only twenty two percent of editors,
1:14:47
only seventeen percent of directors and writers, only six percent of cinematographers,
1:14:55
and was an abyssimal six Out of every one hundred right of c suite positions
1:15:02
in media and entertainment, only twenty seven percent are held by women. Putting
1:15:08
this the other way around, men comprise seventy eight percent of editors, eighty
1:15:14
three percent of directors and writers, ninety four percent of cinematographers, and occupy
1:15:17
seventy three percent of c SUITEP positions. Again, yes, we are arguing
1:15:23
the subtraction. Yes, math, math is hard. Well, he had
1:15:27
to do that because his feminist readers wouldn't understand. By the way editors,
1:15:33
I like the sewage workers of me. They have to sit in front of
1:15:38
a computer moving shit around for like twelve hours a day for weeks and weeks,
1:15:45
and it is not a glamorous job. And the women don't want it
1:15:49
for the same reason they don't want sewer jobs, because they don't they for
1:15:54
the most part, they don't want to be sat in front of a machine
1:15:57
moving shit around for the same reason. Baby, girls would rather stare at
1:16:01
human face than a clock face, and baby boys would rather stare at a
1:16:05
clock face than a human face. This is long since established. Why wouldn't
1:16:10
it translate into more men being interested in staring into a computer moving digital shit
1:16:18
around for ungodly amounts of time. Obviously men are going to be more interested
1:16:26
that. On the whole hashtag not old blah blah. I shouldn't even have
1:16:30
to say this shit anymore, but was still going. But it is true
1:16:33
that mostly men choose to do that, mostly men apply to do that.
1:16:41
And the other thing is men seem to make fewer mistakes at it, and
1:16:49
there's a lot of frustration that goes into that. I personally, just a
1:16:54
little bit of video work that I do now, and back when we did
1:16:58
wedding videos and stuff using much older software than you know using now, I
1:17:05
would get it. I would end up in physical pain from it. Right,
1:17:10
you get done by the by the end of a video, by the
1:17:14
time you're ready to actually save the final cut from it and and provide it
1:17:19
to the consumer we're talking. I would have to go to a chiropractor every
1:17:25
single time, or at the very least go into the kitchen and press my
1:17:30
fists down into the counter and lift myself up off the floor, and then
1:17:33
my neck and my back would make a sound like you just broke a bundle
1:17:40
of firewood up and I would be two inches taller like this is this is
1:17:46
the reality of that job. A lot of women don't want to do that.
1:17:49
A lot of women don't care to sit that long. And if they
1:17:55
do, they they don't necessarily pay us put as much attention into it.
1:18:00
And we had other women that worked with our business at different times, and
1:18:06
you know, we would end up you'd burn your final cut and then you
1:18:11
have to watch it, burn your final cut to to DVD, and then
1:18:15
you have to watch it and oops, there's there's actually a couple of seconds
1:18:20
of no anything on screen. Where did the picture go? What happened there?
1:18:27
You come to find out you accidentally deleted it, you know, and
1:18:30
you have to go back and find that spot and put the image in,
1:18:34
and it messes up everything that was on there after it, and then you
1:18:39
have to go through and reposition everything in the line on the on the software.
1:18:45
It just it was not fun so and it wasn't glorious or glamorous and
1:18:49
nobody was like, oh, thank you Susie for the great job of editing
1:18:55
that you did. You know, we didn't put credits at the end of
1:18:58
our wedding videos. It just had our name on them, you know that
1:19:01
we created the video and stuff like that. So you didn't see people sticking
1:19:06
with that job unless they were part of the family, and you certainly didn't
1:19:10
see people wanting that to be their role, right, But you had to
1:19:15
do it or you don't have a video. So it's one of those things
1:19:18
men do the jobs that you have to do this, or you don't have
1:19:23
the outcome that you want, you don't have the product. So that's where
1:19:30
we are. And again we have what the feminist argument of portraying things men
1:19:38
do as things men have, like for no other reason, Oh we didn't
1:19:47
men just have this? Women should have this too. Why don't women have
1:19:53
this? Well, it's because it's something men do. If you want to
1:19:59
have it, do it. I don't know if we should start the next
1:20:05
one. I'm gonna wait, we're into yeah, because he has his list
1:20:14
of resources. Much of the above is summarized from chapter four in this book
1:20:19
Anderson kJ. Twenty fourteen. Modern misogyny, anti feminism in a post feminist
1:20:28
era. So his whole, his whole narrative comes from a book that's almost
1:20:38
ten years old, and then he gives a bunch of references here and there.
1:20:45
Let's see, we have twenty fourteen, two thousand and eight, twenty
1:20:50
nineteen, so the newest one is twenty nineteen. It's a men's cellulid world
1:20:56
the portrayals of female characters in the top grossing films of twenty nineteen, so
1:21:00
it's a study of one year. Let's see here. Okay, this one's
1:21:08
twenty twenty three, but there's no link to it. It's probably behind a
1:21:11
paywall. Gender bias in video game dialogue, royal society, open science,
1:21:16
blah blah blah. I bet he cites literally Who's smith. Let's see that
1:21:27
one is twenty twelve, So yeah, his stuff is all either old or
1:21:32
a study of one year, or something that you can't see unless you go
1:21:36
behind a paywall, which is why he probably didn't link to it. It
1:21:41
might not even be online. And I see his resources. One of them
1:21:48
is himself, so he's self citing there, and the other two are feminist
1:22:00
resources. Women in Hollywood dot Com, and see Jane dot Org like nothing,
1:22:08
you know, like he's to get what are men's rights activists arguments on
1:22:12
this topic. He's not citing a single MRA source. So there you go.
1:22:20
Uh, we will probably continue Yeah, no, no, I'm I'm
1:22:28
looking at this. We we gotta go through the rest of this. We're
1:22:30
gonna slog through this this bullshit as we go. But I I I don't
1:22:34
have a lot of hope for this being necessarily different each time we come back
1:22:40
to this content, because the next topic we're gonna look at is women's control
1:22:45
of personal wealth, and I just have my suspicions that it's going to be
1:22:49
the same argument he's gonna We're gonna watch for this next week when we talk
1:22:54
about this, watch for an argument we haven't made, or an argument that
1:23:02
is almost but not quite entirely unlike the arguments that we make. Thank you
1:23:09
Douglas Adams for that that brilliant way of putting it that it's so fitting to
1:23:17
the way to discussing the way feminists discuss MRAs. So look for that.
1:23:23
Look for the straw men to be attacked with arguments that that portray things men
1:23:31
do as things men have just arbitrarily have and look for responding to descriptions of
1:23:43
things men experience with not denials of those experiences, but deflection to other details
1:23:51
that that the feminist wants you to think are more important. Because that's what
1:23:56
I'm seeing here, numbers games, deflections and straw in and false framing,
1:24:06
and it's all He's God, do you guys have any other predictions about this?
1:24:23
Are? Yes? Still there? Uh? There you go? Yeah,
1:24:31
we're here with you're getting a little robo. I think we both are.
1:24:34
But yeah, no, I think the logical fallacies will know no bounds
1:24:40
with this guy. Is. I think this is gonna get pretty heated because
1:24:48
I see the topics that he's touching on, and I just if it's anything
1:24:58
like the big getting half of this article, which I'm sure it is.
1:25:04
Oh, this is gonna be a rough ride. Yeah, it and every
1:25:10
single topic that he has on his list here everything he's got this whole uh
1:25:16
fact checking m ra's page. Right, He's got this whole thing. Every
1:25:20
single topic is he has somewhat of a straw man or he tries to delegitimize
1:25:35
a legitimate issue, and that's it. He doesn't have anything else. Right
1:25:44
after next next week, we'll be doing women's control of personal wealth. Right,
1:25:49
we'll look, we'll look through that. When we get through that,
1:25:51
it's a little bit shorter than than the other one. The next thing he
1:25:57
wants to talk about is paternity fraud. Yeah, I guess I'm yeah.
1:26:08
I don't like this guy already, and I have a feeling this is not
1:26:13
gonna get any better as this one goes on. That's why I have nicknamed
1:26:17
him Michael Fraud. I can't help it. It's it's just it drives me
1:26:21
nuts. The guy can't be honest to save his life. I swear to
1:26:26
you, if aliens came down out of the sky right now and said we're
1:26:31
going to vaporize you if you don't tell the truth about men's rights activists,
1:26:35
he'd be gone in a split second. Mmm, Michael Row, Michael Flood.
1:26:46
Yeah. With that, I'm going to go through and see if we
1:26:50
have any other super chow, super chats, super super duper anything. And
1:27:00
I'm like scrolling through fifty thousand segments of the Badger Discord trying to find our
1:27:06
super Chow's there. It is, all right, and so we have one
1:27:15
for tonight, one super chowd. Meredith g gave us five dollars and said,
1:27:18
HBr talked to eighty six honey for the badger, and that is it.
1:27:24
And I don't think there are any super chats that I didn't read.
1:27:29
I think the last one was the one about Yeah Melanie, and then there
1:27:41
don't seem to be I'm gonna look again, but there don't seem to be
1:27:44
any paid chats in on Rumble at this point. So Nope, I don't
1:27:56
see Mua. Forsina pointed out one thing, and they're talk about male characters
1:28:06
in comedy. Men are funnier than women. Think of the Bell curve and
1:28:12
will I will say this, there is a very solid, solid reason why
1:28:16
men are funnier than women. And it isn't just the fact that on the
1:28:21
IQ spectrum there are more men than women at the high end, and men
1:28:27
are at the highest heights of the high end as opposed to women. It
1:28:30
is that men are capable. They're more capable of self depreciation and negative self
1:28:41
reflect reflection, self criticism, self not taking themselves too seriously, right and
1:28:49
being the butt of the joke than women. Right. They don't get they
1:28:57
don't get as offended about people laughing at them, as women will try to
1:29:01
get you to laugh at them and then they'll be offended that you did.
1:29:08
And then women when women are self depreciating, they have to bash men at
1:29:14
the same time. If you look at Amy Schumer for instance, her her
1:29:24
self depreciation all seems to revolve around uh, settling for lower quality men in
1:29:34
being fat. So if you want to not say that, won't even defend
1:29:43
women. Men off anny other than women because women laugh more than men.
1:29:47
True. Now we can argue about why women laugh more than men. That
1:29:51
comes down to some evo side stuff that's going to divide opinion one way or
1:29:56
another. But where we found ourselves is women laugh more than men. So
1:30:00
it stands to reason men would be funnier than women. Yeah, discuss in
1:30:08
the comments below, folks. Yeah, men work harder to impress women than
1:30:13
women do to impress men too. Men have to be genuine to impress women.
1:30:16
You can't put on makeup and be like, look I look fake love
1:30:20
me women can, So there you go. But then yeah, then they'll
1:30:30
wind that comedy is male dominated. Well, men are Men are funnier than
1:30:32
women, and men are more capable of being funny. Than women. So
1:30:38
there you go with that. I think we're going to call the show.
1:30:41
We're gonna end it. So thanks to everybody for listening to this tox success
1:30:47
pool of muck, Thanks to my two co hosts for wading through it with
1:30:53
me, and thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk
1:30:57
happen. And good night, All assational consis