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  Speaker 1: So the launch Melbourne yesterday that dangerous political movement Muslim
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  Speaker 1: Votes Matter said it's targeting thirty two seats in the
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  Speaker 1: next federal election, twenty nine of them Labor. Now that's
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  Speaker 1: to get Muslim voters to punish politicians who they think
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  Speaker 1: are not anti Israel enough.
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  Speaker 2: The scorecards that are on our website right now are
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  Speaker 2: entirely around what those politicians have said or done in
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  Speaker 2: Parliament with respect to the unfolding jedicide in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Now, these are all seats with big Muslim minorities and
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  Speaker 1: they listed on the Muslim Votes Matter website, starting mostly
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  Speaker 1: with Sydney seats which are very Muslim held by Labor ministers.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Claired, Tony Burke, Chris bone Share got their attention
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  Speaker 1: and attacking them for still not standing up enough for Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: still not attacking Israel enough. Now, this was already dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: It's important to Australia politics the kind of tribal hatreds
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  Speaker 1: of the Middle East, and it's making the number one
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  Speaker 1: issue here for Muslims, a hatred of Israel and an
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  Speaker 1: attitude to a war in Gaza over which Australia is
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  Speaker 1: no control. Now, this pressure from Muslim voters, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: is what's persuaded the Avenza government, for instance, to issue
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  Speaker 1: three thousand tourism visas to refugees from terrorists around Gaza
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  Speaker 1: without even an interview. But what journalists failed to report
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  Speaker 1: yesterday or today was something I need to show you.
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  Speaker 1: The most dangerous thing that I think was said at
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  Speaker 1: yesterday's launch. It was by this woman, a doctor unberaigned
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  Speaker 1: the epitome of the identity politics now devoting Australia, someone
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  Speaker 1: who claims she's both Pakistani, Muslim and indigenous because she
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  Speaker 1: had a great grandmother, she said, who had some aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: ancestry somewhere, which is apparently now enough to make you
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  Speaker 1: indigenous too. But here now is what this Umairahan said
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  Speaker 1: to this launch of Muslim activists wanting to change our.
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  Speaker 3: Politics from Gaza to the Northern Territory. We are fighting
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  Speaker 3: the same enemy. The Palestinian cause is integral to all
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  Speaker 3: anti colonial struggles and resonates with all First Nations peoples.
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  Speaker 3: And remember what's happening there, it's not a foreign issue,
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  Speaker 3: it's our issue here because it's all part of the
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  Speaker 3: same oppressive system.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listened to that from Gaza to the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 1: We are fighting the same enemy fighting and what enemy
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  Speaker 1: should Muslims and Aboriginally see it be fighting the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of enemy. Hear that Hamas has slaughtered, raped and
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped in Israel a murder too, like the six Jewish
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  Speaker 1: hostages have us executed this weekend after holding them underground
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  Speaker 1: for nearly a year. I mean, you've got to ask
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  Speaker 1: what madness this is. It's not just risking importing this
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  Speaker 1: hatred to Australia, but likening that anti Israel war to
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  Speaker 1: fight Aberiges supposedly fight with the enemy here. And don't
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  Speaker 1: think that what that doctor said was a slip of
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  Speaker 1: the tongue. That Muslim Votes Matter, launched yesterday, showed maps
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  Speaker 1: falsely claiming to demonstrate how Jesus stolen land from Palestinians,
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  Speaker 1: and next to it they hung a map of Australia
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  Speaker 1: showing how Aboriginally supposedly had their land stolen as well.
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  Speaker 1: And what's more, for the past eleven months, Palatine activists
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  Speaker 1: and Aboriginal activists both have deliberately linked the Palestinian cause
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  Speaker 1: the Aboriginal one, wearing the flags on the lapel of
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  Speaker 1: both causes or the flags in demonstrations and waving the
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal flags at pro Palatinian rallies and claiming both are
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  Speaker 1: fighting colonialists for.
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  Speaker 4: First sessions people. There's an incredible solidarity that exists here and.
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  Speaker 1: This reckless rhetoric is getting worse. I mean, you take
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  Speaker 1: you take Mohammad show up as a Placenian activists has
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  Speaker 1: been arrested and unrelated charges for sualt and kidnapping. He
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  Speaker 1: was speaking alongside Kiir and Stuart Eshton, who identify as
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  Speaker 1: as Abriginal and its president of something called the Black
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  Speaker 1: People's Union.
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  Speaker 5: The colonial entities are going to call us terrorists, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, at the end of the day, to them,
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  Speaker 5: we might be terrorist if we're being.
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  Speaker 6: Honest, we are because they're terrorizing the colonial systems.
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  Speaker 5: But the colonial systems shouldn't been here in first place,
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  Speaker 5: They shouldn't been Palified in the first pace, they shouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be anyhere in the world in the first place. We
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  Speaker 5: have every right to become a terrorists of these colonial
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  Speaker 5: occupations because they have to spend how many decades now
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  Speaker 5: terrorizing our people and occupying our lands.
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  Speaker 6: Any thought of terrorism that we might commit isn't justified resistance.
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  Speaker 6: It's legally justified under international law, and it's justified minorly,
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  Speaker 6: and it's justified everything that.
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  Speaker 7: They label us as the tourists at Chat.
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  Speaker 8: We haven't even started the plumber resistance action yet.
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  Speaker 9: We will live the resistance long lived.
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  Speaker 7: Haas.
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  Speaker 1: Supporters of Muslim votes matter do not support terrorism. But
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  Speaker 1: what we are seeing is a dangerous weaving together of
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  Speaker 1: a war in Gaza, one side led by Hamas terrorists
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  Speaker 1: and the so called aboriginal struggle here. And this is
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  Speaker 1: very new to Australia. It is delegitimizing Australia and it
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  Speaker 1: is also so very dangerous. Joined me as the panel
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  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger from a Victorian debral President Steve Conroy, former
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  Speaker 1: Labor Senator and Covenant Minister Steve, I wonder whether Labour's
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  Speaker 1: been overreacting to the Muslim vote generally getting too anti
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  Speaker 1: Israel when you actually see that Labor holds almost every
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  Speaker 1: single seat that has a SIZEABLEMOS and the minority almost
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  Speaker 1: every single one, and the Liberals are more pro Israel anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the only way the Muslim vote could hurt
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  Speaker 1: them then it's basically in some seats to the Greens instead,
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  Speaker 1: but the Greens are still back in labor government over
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  Speaker 1: a liberal one.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I think your maths is fundamentally right there, and
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  Speaker 9: I think those last clips that you were showing demonstrates
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  Speaker 9: a fundamental ignorance when people try and link the indigenous
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  Speaker 9: issues here in Australia with Palestine. But Palestine is not
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  Speaker 9: about colonialism. That is an absolute denial of history. And
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  Speaker 9: anyone who does any significant amount of reading, we'll understand
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  Speaker 9: that both the Palestinians and the Israelis have a claim
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  Speaker 9: over the lands and that's why only a two state
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  Speaker 9: solution can solve this. From the river to the sea,
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  Speaker 9: Palestine will be free. This is a call which needs
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  Speaker 9: to be called out, and Anthony Albanese and Penny Wong
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  Speaker 9: and Richard Miles have regularly called.
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  Speaker 1: It out at all stages.
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  Speaker 9: They have not supported Hamas attacks, They've condemned the Hammers attacks.
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  Speaker 9: But my message is to the media is it's all
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  Speaker 9: well and good for Muslim votes matter to want to say,
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  Speaker 9: here's the eight issues that we want to talk about. Well,
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  Speaker 9: I've got about eight more that they're going to have
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  Speaker 9: to talk about. And I expect the media to hold
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  Speaker 9: their candidates to whether or not they supported and will
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  Speaker 9: condemn the ham Ass raid, whether or not they support
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  Speaker 9: the establishment of a state of Israel or they want
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  Speaker 9: it exterminated. They're going to have to answer these questions,
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  Speaker 9: what's the view on female circumcision, what's the view on
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  Speaker 9: gay rights, what's the view on all of those lgbt
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  Speaker 9: QI issues, because they are going to be hiding their
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  Speaker 9: views on these issues in the Australian public won't be
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  Speaker 9: hoodwinked by candidates who want to behave like that. So
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  Speaker 9: the media have a very important role, where it's the ABC,
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  Speaker 9: the Guardian or News Limited, all of these media need
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  Speaker 9: to be holding these candidates to account for their actual views.
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  Speaker 9: Don't seed you and go, oh, we aren't going to
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  Speaker 9: judge people on these eight We're going to judge your
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  Speaker 9: candidates on your rate.
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  Speaker 1: A very very good point. Michael Steve is completely right.
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  Speaker 1: People calling Israel a colonial nation in total ignorance. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Jews have lived in Israel, the heart of Israel, for
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  Speaker 1: four thousand years at least, and that is more than
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  Speaker 1: two thousand years longer than Israel than Islam has existed
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  Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. Now, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of the Muslim votes matter. Has Labor been overreacting
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  Speaker 1: to Muslim pressure?
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  Speaker 10: I don't think I've been over acting. I don't think
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  Speaker 10: there's I don't think in politics you can ever be complacent,
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  Speaker 10: particularly in relation to something like this. But apart from
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  Speaker 10: the excellent point Stephen's made, by the way, let's see
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  Speaker 10: their views on on gay marriage, for example, that'd be
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  Speaker 10: very interesting to hear views from Muslim votes matter on
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  Speaker 10: these LGBTI issues. The thing is this, you know, Palestinians
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  Speaker 10: in the Middle East aren't universally the leadership isn't universally
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  Speaker 10: popular amongst Muslims. I mean, don't forget the Egyptians don't
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  Speaker 10: want any Palestinians from Gaza in Egypt, nor do the Jordanians.
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  Speaker 10: The Lebanese don't want anymore. In order, the Syrians, nor
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  Speaker 10: the Iranians, nor the Iraqis, the Saudis, Qatar, not even
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  Speaker 10: the Yemenes, Bahrain, that's a qwait, et cetera. So you're
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  Speaker 10: going to find that amongst the Muslim vote matters Muslims,
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  Speaker 10: there are plenty of Muslims that aren't going to vote
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  Speaker 10: for this ticket, this team whose main sympathy appears to
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  Speaker 10: be with the Palestinian leadership in Gaza and the West Bank,
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  Speaker 10: either Hamas or Fatar. Neither of them are very popular
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  Speaker 10: amongst those other countries I just mentioned. So I don't
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  Speaker 10: think they're my gut feelers. They're not going to threaten
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  Speaker 10: any Labor seat. They're going to harm labor, But for
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  Speaker 10: the reason Stephen and I have just explained, I don't
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  Speaker 10: think they'll win any seats from the Labor Party, Andrew no.
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  Speaker 1: I think the harm they will do, though, is if
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  Speaker 1: they take some Labor seats and give them to the Greens,
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  Speaker 1: with their preferences, with their vote, that will reduce Labor
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  Speaker 1: to a minority government reliant on Green's support, and in
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  Speaker 1: the long term that could be really deadly to Labor.
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  Speaker 1: The albanez A government, though, Stephen, I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: sounds like it's stunned to panic. You've got Treasurer Jim Charmers,
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  Speaker 1: who usually you know the Exu's confidence, is now attacking
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  Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank, blaming it for a flat economy.
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  Speaker 2: Here is the combination of global economic uncertainty and higher
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  Speaker 2: interest rates is smashing household budgets and slowing our economy considerably.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Jim Joms is obviously preemptively blaming the Reserve
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  Speaker 2: Bank for the growth figures that are going to come
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  Speaker 2: out on Wednesday are expected to be weak.
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  Speaker 1: But ge he's got a habit of blaming everyone but himself.
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  Speaker 9: No, I think it's good to see Jim has decided
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  Speaker 9: that he's going to call out the Reserve Bank's behavior.
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  Speaker 9: He's stating an economic fact. You know, the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 9: its statement is where I'm going to keep interest rates
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  Speaker 9: higher to keep flattening the economy despite the fact they're
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  Speaker 9: about that we're already in what's called a per capita
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  Speaker 9: recession thanks to them. You've got the new clown from
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  Speaker 9: the UK who wants to lectures about all. You've got
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  Speaker 9: to be polite to a reserve bank. How dare you
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  Speaker 9: question its judgments? I mean, next blokes out there giving
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  Speaker 9: speeches on Friday. So no, no, no, there's no evidence.
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  Speaker 9: There's no evidence that the economy is flattening and we
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  Speaker 9: can afford to lower interest rates yet not for the
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  Speaker 9: foreseeable future. I mean, this guy just needs to look
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  Speaker 9: at what the Reserve Bank Inustralia has done to this
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  Speaker 9: country's GDP in the next few days. I mean, this
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  Speaker 9: bloke is proud of the fact he put the UK
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  Speaker 9: into recession when he was over there in charge of
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  Speaker 9: these issues and put them into a recession for two years. Well,
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  Speaker 9: we're not going to let you do it here without
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  Speaker 9: calling you out for it. So I'm glad Jim has
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  Speaker 9: actually pointed at them and said, guys, interest rates are
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  Speaker 9: a blunt instrument. You're hitting those who.
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  Speaker 1: Can least afford it.
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  Speaker 9: Those who are actually causing any inflationory pressures in this
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  Speaker 9: country by going to restaurants all the time. They're not
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  Speaker 9: affected by these interest rate increases. So how about you,
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  Speaker 9: You just pull your head in.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard you say on that before. But Michael Kroger,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is that inflation also robs the poor. It
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  Speaker 1: really robs the poor. It makes people with real estate assets,
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  Speaker 1: like all of us at the table, they're better off,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, but the poor.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to say too that the Prime Minister today,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just playing the spectator. Oh no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know this was an attack on the Reserve Bank.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a statement of factor he is.
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  Speaker 11: The Treasurer's comments were absolutely nothing new. He has made
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  Speaker 11: the comment about the economy slowing for a long period
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  Speaker 11: of time, and economists are expecting when the figures are
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  Speaker 11: released this week that they will show a modest growth.
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  Speaker 1: That is just a fact, Michael. The Reserve Bank's mandate
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  Speaker 1: is the faint inflation. Inflation is made worse by government spending.
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  Speaker 1: Why is the Prime minister, why is the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: and the Treasurer both really blaming the Reserve Bank for
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  Speaker 1: their own failures.
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  Speaker 10: Well, because these two are desperate. I mean, the polls
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  Speaker 10: are declining and are continuing to decline. There's been no
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  Speaker 10: uptick in labor support now for months. It's a gradual decline.
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  Speaker 10: They're getting canned over there. As you know, they're dramatically
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  Speaker 10: increase public spending, which is going to twenty six point
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  Speaker 10: six percent of GDP next year and the next fiscal year.
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  Speaker 10: It's partly the reason there's inflation in this country. They're desperate,
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  Speaker 10: they desperately need rates to come down, and you've got
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  Speaker 10: Stephen and a whole lot of these labor figures and
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  Speaker 10: now the treasure out there publicly bagging the Reserve Bank.
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  Speaker 10: They are desperate to get a rate cut, they're desperate
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  Speaker 10: to stop rates being increased, and they're desperate to get
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  Speaker 10: a rate cut before they call an election. I'd like
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  Speaker 10: to know, Andrew, whether any senior labor politician or senior
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  Speaker 10: labor figure has contacted any members of the Reserve Bank Board.
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  Speaker 10: Interesting to see whether we hear Jim out there and
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  Speaker 10: the public domain. I wonder if any Reserve Bank Board
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  Speaker 10: member has been contacted by anyone. I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 10: just asking the question. Reserve Bank Board is an interesting
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  Speaker 10: group of people, and I wonder if anyone's contact with
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  Speaker 10: them directly to talk about their views on interest.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a hint or whatever. We
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  Speaker 1: shall see no doubt, and Michael craigis Steve Conrad, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much. Sorry, thank you both.
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  Speaker 9: This is the recession the Reserve Bank think we have
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  Speaker 9: to have.
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  Speaker 1: This is the recession have very well. Hello, you're quoting
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  Speaker 1: a former labor prime minister who was then treasure at
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  Speaker 1: the time, who was responsible for his own Thank you
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  Speaker 1: both for your time. I should say about the news poll.
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  Speaker 1: The Legs news poll a tied between the Albanize government
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  Speaker 1: covalation fifty to fifty after preferences, with the biggest movement
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  Speaker 1: to fall in Albanese's popularity approval down two points disapproval
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  Speaker 1: down three now, so I suspect that this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be rucked to the wire. But now Averaginal identity,
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  Speaker 1: we've really got to sort this out. You know. You
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  Speaker 1: take some of the people who persuaded fellow Environment Minister
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  Speaker 1: Tenire plivcy so effectively banned one billion dollar gold mine
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  Speaker 1: in New South Wales for allegedly being on a sacred site.
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  Speaker 1: Now Plivacyk had ignored the advice of the Orange Local
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  Speaker 1: Average Land Council that there was at anything very sacred
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  Speaker 1: about that land. She listened and said two about eighteen
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  Speaker 1: dissidents identifying as Aborigines, and not just this artist that
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  Speaker 1: have shown you before who claims that she's an Arajeri
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  Speaker 1: elder based on a female abriage of ancestor from two
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  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, also listened to dissidence from a charity
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  Speaker 1: called that Were Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation, including
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  Speaker 1: people that local Rajeri activists like Roy Archie claimed they
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  Speaker 1: don't even know. Here are the four people listed is
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  Speaker 1: responsible for this charity by the Australian Charities Are Not
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  Speaker 1: for Profits Commission. They include a lawyer, a historian, a
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  Speaker 1: musician and it's their charity that persuaded Plibisk that the
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  Speaker 1: mind site was sacred when the traditional owners said it
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  Speaker 1: was not. You have to ask how expert are they
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  Speaker 1: really on Aboriginal culture and was plbosc too gullible? That'd
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  Speaker 1: be very clear. I'm not denying these people of some
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  Speaker 1: Abigeal ancestors in the family tree. I accept that what
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking is how meaningful their abori aboriginally is when
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  Speaker 1: it gives them the power to persuade this government to
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  Speaker 1: effectively stop a mine. That's one issue, But now one
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  Speaker 1: that's really alarming Aboriginal leaders is this how many of
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  Speaker 1: the people claiming to be Aboriginal other people are not.
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  Speaker 1: You take, for instance, people that I am. Genealogists from
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  Speaker 1: the darkim Exposed dot org website have found over the
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  Speaker 1: years people with no known Aboriginal ancestor that we can find,
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  Speaker 1: and none that they will identify it when we've asked.
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  Speaker 1: The numbers are extraordinary. These are just someone that I've
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  Speaker 1: spoken about before. Professor Bruce Pasco, of course, author of
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  Speaker 1: dark EMU, Professor Kerry Doyle, who got a scholarship to
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  Speaker 1: Oxford meant for Aborigines South Australia's Attorney General, Kamar Federal
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  Speaker 1: Labor MP Goo Reed plus and Singuished Professor Bromwin Carson
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  Speaker 1: Macquari University, margo'neial, Senior Indigenous Curator at the National Museum
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  Speaker 1: of Australia, so many others I could and have mentioned
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  Speaker 1: in the past, so many of them. In fact, the
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  Speaker 1: estimates of the number of outright frauds are extraordinary.
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  Speaker 4: If we were to look at the census numbers, it's
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  Speaker 4: now projecting past eight hundred thousand. If there was if
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  Speaker 4: there was to be an actual review on that and
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  Speaker 4: an audit on that, I would suggest, and there has
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  Speaker 4: been some data to suggest that it's actually probably about
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  Speaker 4: three hundred thousand less.
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  Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand. Joining me is an Aboriginal leader who
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  Speaker 1: has fought for years to get white politicians to take
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  Speaker 1: this seriously and have the guts to do something about
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  Speaker 1: the issue. He is Nathan Moran, who's chief executive the
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  Speaker 1: City based Metropolitan Aboriginal Land Council. Nathan, thanks for your time.
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  Speaker 1: You're now demanding that a new South wales Man is
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  Speaker 1: doing a welcome to country ceremony to stop doing that
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  Speaker 1: because you don't think he's aboriginally, says he is leaving
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  Speaker 1: that case aside. How many people who say the aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: are not in your opinion.
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  Speaker 8: As we just heard from Susan there. So, firstly to
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  Speaker 8: acknowledge Susan Ingram, the speaker, there are raderie a member
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  Speaker 8: of our land Council and community. In fact, her family's
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  Speaker 8: one of our founding members. But she's also a qualified anthropologist,
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  Speaker 8: so she's someone who works in the area in academia.
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  Speaker 8: And as she enlightens people to show that based on
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  Speaker 8: data alone, there's over forty percent of people who have
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  Speaker 8: identified as Aboriginal were not born as Aboriginal, indicates that
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  Speaker 8: we have a massive issue. She's only looking at the
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  Speaker 8: two sixteen analysis, and I can certainly attest going back
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  Speaker 8: to the nineties, birth rates have not matched the identification
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  Speaker 8: or population of Aboriginal people. There's been a disparity that
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: was known about by government in the late nineties and
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: into the two thousands. But as a local land council
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: since twenty fifteen, since our members and a membership council
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: meeting asked us to address identity fraud that was occurring
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: in our backyard, we've held aboriginality conferences.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We've held two.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: Indeed, prior to COVID, we've had speakers from all over
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: the country join us to expose what we were at
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: one stage thinking was a little problem, but then getting
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: a greater understanding to realize it is a very large problem.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: In fact, today in two twenty four, I'd say it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: out of control. The amount of people who are self identifying,
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: assuming roles and jobs, and in some cases going on
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: to provide policy advice or to speakers authorities for Aboriginal
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: people when they're not known to be Aboriginal and or
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: known to have met the test of aboriginality under land
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: rights or native title, is today a massive problem for
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: Aboriginal communities, certainly here in Metro Local Aboriginal Land Council.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right to say this has been going on
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: for a much longer than many people have noticed. I mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: it goes back to Bobby Sykes, for instance, what's that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: fifty sixty years ago, I don't know anymore, saying that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: she was Aboriginal. The fathers, in fact, the African American
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Colin Johnson, author of Wildcat Falling Generations of Kids, had
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to study his books also not Aboriginal. But what is
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the problem now being caused here? Is it the diversion
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of resources that are actually meant for Aboriges, the diversion
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of scholarship actually meant for Aborigines. Is that the watering
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: down statistics so we don't actually see what the real
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: problem is because so many people are box sticking.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: Correct, there's a multiple amount of issues that are causing
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: impacts that are skewing the reality the bona fides, the
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: genuineness of Aboriginal people, our population, our ability to speak
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: for our culture, heritage, the undermining of our identity, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: what I've already been quitted as saying now, the bastardization
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: of our culture and heritage by non Aboriginal people and
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: those who may have discovered an Aboriginal ancestor who then
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: starts speaking or claiming to speak as an authority or
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: over and above a legislative, democratic organization like ourselves. Is
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: our reality today in two twenty four, And yeah, it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: something we'd hope that government could address by simply closing
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: the door on self identification, not allowing people to bypass
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: the law, enforcing people to adhere to the law, enforce
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: the law to ensure that people, if they claim their
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: aboriginal are certified and verified by Aboriginal people through Aboriginal
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: land rights.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Problem. I'm hearing you. I'm hearing you. But here's the problem.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You ever look at the uncle of Dusty Martin, the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: AFL star, announced is his Aboriginal. When he first got
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: his certificate of aboriginality, he and his brother, it was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: signed by someone from a different state from the Aboriginal
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Sobriety Society who said I recognize him as Aboriginal. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: society the next year canceled the certificate of aboriginality. Now
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: since has found someone else through. This is the whole thing.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Who are these people? There's even people that have certified
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Bruce Pesco as aboriginally one of the three tribes that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: has come to be a member of This is the issue, too,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: I just want to say, bonafide certified Aboriginal authorities under
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: land rights and all Native title. You'd certainly say a
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: ninety nine percent chance they're not dealing in this stuff.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: This is happening through private corporations who are registering through
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: the Office of Register of Indigenous Corporations. I can certify
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: that a person was removed from land rights in New
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: South Wales for being a fraud still operates a corporation
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: registered under the Australian law. So we know how it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: occurring through bypassing of the law, through stat declarations of
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: policies of government allowing people to bypass it. At that
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: last point about private entities and corporations who are not
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: to find Aboriginal genuine authorities. Self serving private companies are
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: not independent or impartial bodies and they could never be
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: accepted to certify one's identity. We know that the High
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Court doesn't accept it, but not does local land councilors
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: like Metropolitan Land Council accept that.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you one thing, I totally back something
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you said. I think it was about two years ago
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: now about Sydney University. These universities have got to go
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: through the people that put their hand out for jobs
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: or positions or grants or whatever it is aid on
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the basis of their aboriginality and demand proof that has
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: not been doing. They could start with their own staff.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Nathan Moran, thank you so much indeed for your time.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It's a fraud and Aborigines Now people have said for
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: years that I'm anti Aboriginal. When to say that, how
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: can be anti aboriginal when I'm calling out whites? Right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's the aboriginies, the responsible leadersho are upset about what's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: going on that I have more on that particular issue.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: A real bombshell story coming in hopefully a week or
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: so after the break, terrible news from Israel that should
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: shock anyone thinking, oh, we're not going to go to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a break. We're not going to do a break because
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of that, whatever it was to Greg Sheridan. Instead, now
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the people who've been attacking Israel's government saying stop firing
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: talk piece with the mass, you warmongers, and get the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: hostages back or whoever's still alive of the more than
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: one hundred that Hermas still hasn't given back after eleven months. Well,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I think we have just learned how naive these critics are.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Israel was close to rescuing six of those hostages still
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in Gaza yesterday, but a mus shocked them all in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the head, the two women as well. One of the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: dead was actually an American, but the Baden administration did
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: little to rescue him, and Tim Walls, the running mate
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of Vice President Kamala Harris in the elections, walked away
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: when asked about the deaths down like everybody. Meanwhile, in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Israel there have been huge anti government protests. Many on
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the left are blaming their own Prime Minister, Benjamin who
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: are the killings for not making a piece deal with
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: her mass to free them.
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: I am personally committed to continue striving for a deal
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: that will return all of our hostages.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Joining is the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg Sheridan
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of the Australian newspaper, Greg, great to see you. Look,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is Benjamin Netie really to blame for her mass killing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: these hostages? Seriously? Is it? Or put it more mildly,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is he to blame for not making a piece deal
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: with her mass to free them?
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: Well, Andrew, it's great to be with you. Look, it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: certainly the case that Benjamin Neda who is not to
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: blame for the killing of these hostages. The people who
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: are responsible for killing the hostages are the people who
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: killed the hostages, the Hamas group. They bear the moral
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: responsibility more or less for everything that has happened in Gaza.
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: Having said that, I'm not quite sure that the current
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: situation is achieving much for Israel. The reason there hasn't
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: been a ceasefire is that Hamas doesn't want to cease fire.
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: Hamas has always wanted this situation to spiral into an
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: all out regional war, and it hopes that by continuing
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: to run this terrible situation on, eventually it'll get has
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: Bala or the Hooties or hopefully Iran to attack Israel,
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: and that'll produce a catastrophic war which will damage Israel.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: In the long run.
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: Nonetheless, I don't think Israel can be a prisoner of
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: Hamma's actions, either to continue.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: With the war or to stop the war.
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: And I'm not sure that this current situation is really
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: the best policy for Israel. I mean, I'm the opposite
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: of an enemy of Israel or anything, but I don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: know what this status quo of just endless, endless, low
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: grade conflict is doing. And I still don't know what
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: Israel plans for Gaza when they finally withdraw. Of course,
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: their main priority is the hostages, and of course whenever
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: they get near the hostages, Hamas murders them, even innocent
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: young women. That's the terrible reality that Israel, alone amongst
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: all democracies in the world faces.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I just wonder Greg, one of the sixth dead was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: an American, a guy who had his arm half blown
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: off when he was captured at the Music Festival on
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: October seventh last year. The part of his arm was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: then amputated, shot dead. Normally Americans are gung ho about
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: rescuing their own citizens. This time they don't seem to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: have lifted a finger, really, not in public. And Tim
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Walls even walking away rather than saying anything about the deaths,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that is weird.
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that Waltz moment is grotesque. And I've just,
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: for my sins today re reviewed the bizarre Kamala Harris
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: Tim Waltz interview on CNN. I've written about it in
• 29:19
  Speaker 12: a column and Tomorrow's paper, which, for utter fatuous facuity,
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: is in a class all of its own. I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: Kamala Harris is a worthy successor Joe Biden in kind
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: of word salads which have no meaning. And Tim Waalts,
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: even on the basis of the question CNN asked him,
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: is a serial liar. And for Waltz to be so
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: uninterested in the death of an American citizen held hostage
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: by a terrorist group in Israel, because I think Harris
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: and Waltz now are trying to be nothing so that
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: anyone can project onto them, to be a tabula rasas,
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: so that anyone can project onto them any particular political.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: View that they have.
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: And they're get elected just on the basis of not
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: being Donald Trump. But if you can't say something about
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: one of your own citizens being killed, and if you
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: can't say it, you know, without prompting, you don't need
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: to go away and get a press secretary to write
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: it for you, I think it's grotesque. I mean, Harris,
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: I'm no big fan of Trump, but Harris and Waltz
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: also represent a serious degradation of American political culture in
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: my view.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: You're right about Wolves being a layer, although he said no,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it's just got bad grammar. When he said that he
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: had carried a weapon in war when he never went
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to a war zone, wouldn't.
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: Be good if we could get away with that, he was, yeah,
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: I think we could.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, emotional, you got to be emotionally, he said, it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: just emotional, honestly, seriously, for excuses for laying that was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the best. Meanwhile, with America's leaders and it's military distracted
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: by this more in the Middle East. Then in Ukraine,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: China's getting very aggressive. Greg. Today Chinese Coast Guard vessel
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: again ran the Philippine ship in the South China Sea,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: rounded three times to stop at sailing waters. That China
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Wrongney claims the Chinese. I thought our Prime minister's response
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: yesterday to this Chinese aggression was very weak, not even
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: naming China.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: Here is we need nations in the South China Sea
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: to recognize international law of the sea requires safe navigation there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: I'll get a full briefing about it. But there shouldn't
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: be dangerous activity because it comes at great risk.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Greg, that was weird.
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look I think again. I mean, this is a
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: pathetic performance by Albanesi, absolutely pathetic. It has been widely
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: noticed in Washington how weak Albanese is becoming on China.
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: And the Albani government is a bit like the Harris
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: Waltz candidacy. So they've designated one person, Richard Miles, the
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: Defense Minister, who will actually say the word China when
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: standing next to an American general law statesman, and the
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: rest of them just go and hide under the bushes
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: and try to say nothing. And you know, the Albaneza,
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: the government's very good at saying nothing. The other salient
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: element of this, Andrew, is that this is a very
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: sustained campaign by China against the Philippines, a very specific,
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: sustained campaign. Just as they ran a campaign against Australia
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: for a number of years, they're now running a vicious
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: intimidation campaign against the Philippines. Now it is overwhelmingly in
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: Australia's interests that the Philippines stand strong as they have
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: been doing. We should be doing everything we can to
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: support the Philippines. And at the very least the Prime
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: Minister ought to be able to say, look, China ramming
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: innocent Philippines vessels, is is something really strongly objective instead
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: of which Richard Miles is the designated pro America you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: occasional quiet voice, and the rest of them say nothing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's a Greg, It's just that you have to say.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: This is just shows how weak and unprincipled this government
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is on these matters. China has got it over a barrel.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's just ridiculous anyway, Greg Sharon,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Astee. Let me go to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: another government minister. Right, has there ever been a more
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: useless energy minister than Chris Bone. Now, last week I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: listened to all the wild goose green schemes the Boner's back,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: only have them fall over sometimes within weeks. Well it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: only what a week later I have yet another example
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of this reverse martyrs touch. In Nuary, Chris Bone announced
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it invests seventy billion dollars of your money into a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: hub in Tasmania's Bell Bay to make seventy million I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: think that is into a hub in Tasmania's Bell Bay
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to make hydrogen gas from water.
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: Our government wants Australia to be a hydrogen superpower, a
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: green hydrogen superpower.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But now Woodside Energy has joined a couple of companies
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like Andrew Forrest Fortescue in walking out on this very
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: hub in Tasmania. No money in it for them. Yet
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: another bone flop. But while he's investing in energy schemes
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that don't work and often cannot work, Bowen keeps rejecting
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the great zero missions power source that does work. Nuclear Somehow,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: nuclear power is good for almost every other advanced economy
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in the world. But it's bad and it's dangerous and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: too expensive for Australia, says Bowen, now this time boone
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: was in West Australia. Call it one of the sites
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that the opportionen leader is nominated for a nuclear power
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: station to replace a cold fire POWERstation about to close,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: saying nuclear was useless, he said yesterday Peter Dutton's nuclear
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: plans for the major power station, the cold one going,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: would not have enough access to enough water to be
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: able to deliver anything close to the energy the people
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of West Australia need. Really Joining me is Tony Irwin,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Chair of Engineers Australia, Sydney's Nuclear and Engineering Panel. He
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: has helped to commission and operate eight nuclear power reactors
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and was the first reactor manager of Australia's Opal Research Reactor.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: He knows his stuff, Tony Owen, thank you so much
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: indeed for joining me. Does Australia have any other option
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: but to go nuclear if we want to cut emissions
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: yet keep on the lights and at a price the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: poor can afford.
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: Absolutely not. I think your viewers could look at a
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: good website called they Open Them dot org dot au.
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: Western Australia we're talking about. You look at Western Australia.
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: The sun goes down and there's no wind, fifty nine
• 36:12
  Speaker 14: percent gas, thirty eight percent coal. And this is the problem,
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: you know, and then you've got this for twelve hours
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: until the sunrises again. So you know, we talk about
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: Collie battery two thousand megawa hours, but you know you
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: need twenty four thousand tell us overnight. So you've got
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: to have something that's reliable and that's nuclear.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, the government with the Prime Minister's announcing that we've
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: got battery see a producing power. They don't produce power,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: they store power and not for that long if you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: need them. Now the government is saying all these nuclear
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: power stations that and it's not just College've said it
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of others. They use more water than farmers can spare.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It is that true.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: So the reactor itself doesn't consume a lot of water,
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: so that the reactor cooling circuits are closed circuits. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: the water requirement is for the turbine condenser. So it's
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: same as any coal fire power station. It's condenser cooling water.
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: And you know places like mudda thousand megawatts sites you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: has got a water allocation. The Coalition will looking at
• 37:33
  Speaker 14: a replacement for of a small modular reactor three hundred megawatts.
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: So there's plenty of cooling water available. There's three options
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: for cooling water. If you've got lots, you can have
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: direct cooling. If you're limited at all, you can have
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: indirect cooling with cooling towers. So places like Mount Piper
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: that I've just looked at, they've got cooling towers. Collie,
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: you know, all these places have got cooling towers. Or
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: you can even go to direct calling if it directs
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: calling if you haven't gotten off water. So that the
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: biggest single unit on the Australian system, Cogan Creek seven
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: hundred and fifty megawatts in Queensland, is cooled with air
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: calling instead. So there's options for cooling water. But generally,
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: you know, there's plenty of water allocation already.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And just finally amount of time, but I just need
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to ask you. The government says it's also going to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: take too long to save us anyway building a nuclear reactor,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Chris Bonus suggested twenty years before we can get one.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: China has just announced it can build eleven in five years.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: How long do you think it would take if we
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: really put our mind to it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, So working backwards, it takes about four years to
• 38:52
  Speaker 14: constructor approven and design, and before that you need all
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: the licensing and the arrangement and the financing etc. Say
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: another six years. You can do it in less than
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: ten years. The Opal Reactor from announcement to full power
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: was less than nine years, you know, and that was
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: an Australian construction. So we can do it if we
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: want to.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Oh gee, you must get absolutely sick of the lies
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and the fear angery Tony who when I've got more time,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back to go through all
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: of those lies. Thank you so much. Indeed, now after
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the break, I have a transcriptive evidence from one of
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the alleged elders who persuaded environment in as Ateniabliber to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: cancel that one billion dollar gold mine. It's embarrassing pas
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Scottish officials say they can host the Come With Games
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: for a fraction of the Victorian government claim and get
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Victorian taxpayers to pay for it. What embarrassment. Now I've
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: got a transcript that I'm going to to read out
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that shows what a phony the Education and the Environment
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: minister are. The Tania pilipsc really is plevacek right. The
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Abernezi governments environment is there. I have to show you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: exactly the caliber they supposed, the Aboriginal secret business that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: heard her effectively block a one billion dollar gold mine
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: in New South Wales a plivsk ban this mins tailings
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: dam because she said she'd been told of this secret
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: business at the site. She said, some of these traditions
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: have been disclosed to me privately and must remain confidential
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: due to their cultural sensitivity. Although today, with a story
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: looking more stupid by every passing hour, she claimed the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: dam would destroy the local river.
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  Speaker 7: I've said very clearly that the gold mine can go ahead,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: but that they have to find a new site for
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: the tailings dam that is not going to destroy the
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: blobular river, which is important to local indigenous people.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: No wonder she looked like she was blushing. In fact,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the proposal had already got environmental approvals. The river would
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: not be destroyed. But I can understand how Polybs is
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: now freaking that should cripple this mind for plainly preposterous reasons,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and is now looking for other excuses since the local
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: traditional owners the formal group there, had already said the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: site was not sacred. She is freaking because, let me
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: read out some of the evidence we do know was
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: given by people identifying as Aboriginal and gave evidence opposing
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the mind to the Independent Planning Commission. Now this is
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the artist ny Re Reynolds, who was back by leader
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of the dissident where Aguari traditional owners Central West Average
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of Corporation a name Lisa Payton, and here goes I'm
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: no re Reynolds. I have a vocal dysphoria, which is
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: paralysis of my vocal cause. She actually gave evidence for
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: about twenty minutes. I also have messathe liomer, which is
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: cancer caused by asbestos. So this mind freaks me out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Actually I don't know why because obviously this mine, this
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: gold mine, wouldn't cause paralysis, vocal paralysis or mister thuliomer.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: She goes on. She shows one of her paintings and
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: she says, I think the best way is through my paintings.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: This council asked me to do a painting for the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: billboard that's on the Midwestern Highway. She says, it's the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: first view of a Regeri country in Blainey Shire, so
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it's really important to me. So if the mine goes there,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: this will be the only representation left of what it
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was like. And this is also part of the Sacred
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Triangle mountains, the Sacred Triangle, you know. But Reynolds hadn't
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: finished selling her art. She said that she showed another painting.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: When I heard about the Mind, I imagine that all
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: my ancestors leaving, because that was the second billboard I'd done.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: They put up another billboard of her art. When I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: put the first billboard up, I felt the ancestors. It
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was just beautiful. Now I can see that they're leaving.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: The spirits are leaving. I mean seriously, seriously, as she said,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: oh you showed another painting. I've won this New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales Parliamentary Art Prize with it. It never gave a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: real reason for why these artists sacred and why the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: local traditional earners were wrong to say it was not
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: joining me A. Daniel Wild, Deputy Executive director of the
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Institute of Public Affairs, and Stephen Trevoura, an author and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: senior lecturer in history at Campaign College. Daniel Plimusek may
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: have more information than might have just read out to you,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: but just is not to show it. So this is
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: all I got left. It's this really the kind of
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: stuff that should lead at one billion dollar main being stopped.
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: Of course that's not Andrew and Tanny Plibusett needs to
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: the truth when it comes to this issue. And good
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: on you for uncovering those documents. Has shed more light
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: on this issue than what the government has done. What's
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: worrying is there's a pattern of repeating behavior from this
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: government and being secretive to the Australian people. You know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 15: the government talked about they're going to be transparent, it's
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: all about democracy, we're going to shed light onto the process.
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: But this has been the most secretive government I've ever seen.
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: They did it with the Voice to Parliament member, they
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: said you've got to vote on the Saturday, we'll tell
• 44:15
  Speaker 15: you about the details on the Monday. They've done it
• 44:17
  Speaker 15: with the Nature Positive Laws, where they're refusing to release
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: information about the size of this new gigantic camera based
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: bureaucracy of environmental activism. And they're doing it again with
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: this project, which is a vital project two hundred million
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: dollars in revenues and royalties plus local jobs plus stimulating
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: the local economy. I think Tanny Plibersek is covering her tracks.
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: They need to come clean about what it is that
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: was actually behind this decision and then lay it on
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: top of this. Andrew is the Environmental Defender's Office, which
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: is a green legal activist group which is state funded,
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: state government funded, federal government funded, also gets money from
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: international climate organizations. This is a very very murky decision
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: and Australians deserve to know the truth.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And Stephen, here's a woman who says she's Aboriginal because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: one of our ancestors two hundred years ago was Aboriginal.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about Greg greg great. I don't know
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: gregor great grandmother. All the others apparently weren't. Is that
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: really enough to make you identify as Aboriginal to the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: point where you can give evidence to stop a gold
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: min on the and the sort of evidence of just
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: shown here.
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: I mean, seriously, Noahs, certainly shouldn't be. And this is
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: one of the big problems with this, and we remember
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: it with the heind marsh Bridge High marsh Bridge case
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: in South Australia many years ago. Is public policy that
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: is clearly strongly in the public's interest, all hanging on
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: secret cultural knowledge which by definition is not known to
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: the public. And the problem with that is in a democracy,
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: you need to be able to scrutinize the reasons why
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: governments do things. And when governments do things based on
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: knowledge that is secret from everyone, democracy kind of breaks
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: down at that point because there's nothing there that we
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: can scrutinize. And you can imagine that that kind of
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: a process is very easily available to be manipulated by
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: all sorts of ulterior motives and just be and with
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: politicians are saying, well, I can't reveal anything else. It's
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: secret business. Sorry, you're just going to have to put
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: up with the decision.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Look, it's not just democracy that fails, Stephen, it is reason.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It is logic that fails. I mean the whole Socratic
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: tradition of two thousand plus years where you have a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: proposition and you can test it and see whether it
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: holds up. All that fails. Something just to say secret
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: aboriginal business and you're done. You're done talking about absolute
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: collapse of reason and evidence and all that. Daniel, you've
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: commented on the past the Victorian Labor government total humiliation
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: over the weekend. It lastly canceled the twenty twenty six
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: games that had promised the host claiming it would cost
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: up to seven billion dollars. And that's of course because
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it had such absurdly grandiose plans for it. Here is
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the premiere at the time.
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: I cannot stand here and say to you that I
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: have any confidence that that even seven billion dollar number
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: would appropriately and adequately fund these games.
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: I think it could be more than that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: But Daniel while now Scotland's Commonwealth Games Bodies says it
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: could host the basic come Wealth Games in twenty thirty six,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: not for seven billion dollars but two hundred and twenty million,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, less than a thirtieth of the price. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: more humiliating, it says it can fund that almost entirely
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: from the compensation the Victorian government has paid for canceling.
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: The moral of the story, well, the moral of the
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: story is don't do business in Victoria, and that's clearly
• 47:55
  Speaker 15: what's happening. We've got record numbers of businesses fleeing Victoria
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: because of the condition. In our latest research we found
• 48:02
  Speaker 15: the Victoria is the worst state in Australia for the
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: ease of doing business or setting up a new business,
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: and that's because of the massive taxes, the red tape,
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: the regulation and the ever growing debt burden. They're going
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: to spend over one hundred and fifty billion, we're told,
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: over one hundred and fifty billion on a suburban rail
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: loop that no one has asked for, no one will use,
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: and nobody wants. Meanwhile, critical infrastructure projects are not going
• 48:25
  Speaker 15: ahead because they've run out of money. And I think
• 48:28
  Speaker 15: the other point we're talking about transparency, well, this has
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: been one of the least transparent state governments that we
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: have seen, Andrew including a relation dot Comwealth Government game decision.
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: And I know we talk about Victoria a lot, but
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: to all of your viewers and listeners who are not
• 48:41
  Speaker 15: in Victoria, this is not just a state issue. This
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: is a massive national economic issue because if Victoria goes down,
• 48:49
  Speaker 15: the rest of Australia will have to bail it out.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So true, well, if Victoria goes down, this program doesn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: get to wear for the first six minutes, which we
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: saw tonight. So Stephen, that is why I'm sure of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: time and I can't talk to you about I'll have
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to give you more time next week. Sorry about that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much everyone, But coming up next is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Steve Charry Maxon. I was told it was Steve Price,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: but it's not as Sharry Marxon again. Sorry Scharry