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Sharri | 24 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening. I'm Caroline Marqus filling in for Shari. A
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Speaker 3: big news Light Light coming up. In breaking news, there
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Speaker 3: are reports Karl Stefanovic has been axed from Channel nine
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Speaker 3: after doing a controversial podcast with far right figure Tommy
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Speaker 3: Robinson and calling the British Prime Minister a wanker. I'll
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Speaker 3: give you more details and unpack that story with my panels. Shortly,
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Speaker 3: an explosive new anti semitism scandal engulfs the Greens. I'll
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Speaker 3: reveal the extraordinary podcast appearance that has sparked outrage from
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Speaker 3: Australia's Jewish community and a major warning from ASIO boss
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess on the threats now facing Australia. This is
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Speaker 3: from a new speech that he's given to Light and
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Speaker 3: he will reveal more details of out who directed some
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Speaker 3: of those anti Semitic attacks in Sydney and Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: Terrorism expert doctor Josh Bruce will join me live to
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Speaker 4: discuss that.
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Speaker 3: But first night, I can reveal the Greens are again
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Speaker 3: being accused of anti semitism and outrageous lies after Federal
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Speaker 3: Senator David Shubridge appeared on a podcast with a controversial
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Speaker 3: activist who has previously blamed Zionism for a rise in
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Speaker 3: pedophilia and sex trafficking. In a recent episode, Shoebridge agrees
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Speaker 3: with Daisy Gedeon's suggestion the Australian government has been hijacked
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Speaker 3: by Zionists.
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Speaker 5: You wonder whether you know the Australian government has been
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Speaker 5: hijacked by Zionists. How do you respond to the idea
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Speaker 5: that we are sort of hijacked and bringing in palenty,
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Speaker 5: bringing just embedding themselves further and further into our government.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I think whenever you see a foreign government, I don't
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Speaker 6: really care what the foreign government is having undue influence
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Speaker 6: over Australian decision making.
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Speaker 4: We should be rejecting it right.
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Speaker 3: An excerpt from the extraordinary interview was also shared by
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Speaker 3: getting Into her hundreds of thousands of followers online with
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Speaker 3: the title have Zionists hijacked the Australian Government?
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Speaker 4: And set to ominous music.
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Speaker 5: From the angle of the Zionist lobby? Here the Executive Council,
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Speaker 5: Australian Jury trains federal prosecutors. How do you respond to
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Speaker 5: the idea that we are sort of hijacked and they're
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Speaker 5: just embedding themselves further and further into our government.
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Speaker 6: I'm not here to be delivering on tel Aviv's foreign
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Speaker 6: affairs policy or Washington's foreign affairs policy. I'm here to
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Speaker 6: be delivering what Australians need. I think for many people
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Speaker 6: the mask is kind of being rippen. Definitely, we can
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Speaker 6: see the way the world works and we do not
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Speaker 6: have to accept that yet.
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Speaker 3: Now these two may use the code word Zionist, but
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Speaker 3: their message isn't all that different from the neo Nazis
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Speaker 3: who stood outside New South Wales Parliament holding a banner calling.
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Speaker 4: To abolish the Jewish Lobby.
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Speaker 3: And the one thing you can say for the Nazis
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Speaker 3: is at least they're honest about who they're talking about.
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Speaker 3: The anti Semitic trope that Dows secretly control the world
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Speaker 3: was also perpetuated by another Greens member, New South Wales
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Speaker 3: m P Johnny Leong, who said this at a public
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Speaker 3: forum in late twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 7: The Jewish lobby and the Zionus lobby are infiltrating into
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Speaker 7: every single aspect of what is their community groups, because.
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Speaker 8: They their tentacles reach in to the areas that.
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Speaker 2: Try and influence power.
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Speaker 3: Peter Werthhei'm the co chief executive of Australia's peak Jewish body,
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Speaker 3: the Executive Council of Australian Jury, told me comments like
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Speaker 3: Shuebridges is why we accuse the Greens of anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: and why they have lost Jewish members in droves. The
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Speaker 3: Progressive Environmentalist Party, founded by Bob Brown and Drew Hutton
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Speaker 3: has become a party riddled with far left authoritarians and
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Speaker 3: jew haters. Wartime further makes the point that despite being
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Speaker 3: singled out in this chat, his group receives no funding
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Speaker 3: from outside Australia, nor does it follow directions from any
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Speaker 3: foreign government, including Israel. He says, the insinuation that the
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Speaker 3: Australian Jewish community and its representative bodies is somehow alien
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Speaker 3: and not a part of Australian society is an outrageous
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Speaker 3: lie with a long and disreputable history. And Worktime makes
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Speaker 3: another good point, why don't the Greens ever finger any
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Speaker 3: other community body as an agent acting for a foreign government?
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Speaker 3: Where are the accusations about Greek, Lebanese and indeed Palestinian groups?
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Speaker 3: He says, it is only the Jewish community which is
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Speaker 3: singled out and smeared by the Greens. With a disgraceful
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Speaker 3: suggestion that we do not have those same rights and
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Speaker 3: freedoms and are exerting undue influence on the Australian government.
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Speaker 3: The irony is that Schubridge had earlier in the podcast
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Speaker 3: condemned anti semitism.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it is absolutely obscene and wrong to engage
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Speaker 6: in anti semitism for any reason.
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Speaker 3: So Senator, why engage in it and why choose to
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Speaker 3: even appear on the podcast of someone who spouted the
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Speaker 3: most disgusting kind of blood libel against Jews, including saying
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Speaker 3: Zionist ideology has been responsible for the rise of pedophilia,
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Speaker 3: human trafficking, sex trafficking, organ trafficking and more. This is
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Speaker 3: the kind of person the Greens are proud to collaborate
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Speaker 3: with now. A spokesperson for Senator Schuebridge said the propositions
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Speaker 3: are both false and actionable, and Daisy Geddion also sent
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Speaker 3: us a response, a lengthy one in which she doubled
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Speaker 3: down on her claims about Zionist ideology being responsible for
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Speaker 3: a rise in the darkest, most vulgar industries over the
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Speaker 3: past hundred years or so, including pedophilia. The Lebanese Australian
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Speaker 3: filmmaker also said I am not and never have been
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Speaker 3: anti Semitic. I am, in fact as Semite myself.
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Speaker 4: While let viewers make of that what they will.
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Speaker 3: But it's important to remember as Anthony Albanizi continues to
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Speaker 3: make deals with this far left, hate filled party to
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Speaker 3: ram through tax changes, no one voted for the kind
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Speaker 3: of people labor is getting into bed with. Bl our
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Speaker 3: legal system has become an absolute joke, and the decision
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Speaker 3: made by a judge to rule in favor of two
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Speaker 3: Sydney nurses who allegedly made vile threats about patients proves
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Speaker 3: it armed.
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Speaker 4: Roshaid Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebde were.
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Speaker 3: Allegedly threatening Israelis and bragging about having already harmed them
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Speaker 3: in an online video that quickly went viral. Most of
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Speaker 3: you at home have by now seen this video, but
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Speaker 3: we can no longer show it because of the orders
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Speaker 3: made by the New South Wales District Court after Judge
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Speaker 3: Michael Mchughe yesterday ruled the recordings were improperly obtained and
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Speaker 3: can never be seen by a jury.
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Speaker 4: It's a decision I know has angered so many of you.
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Speaker 3: I've received your messages loud and clear, and it's also
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Speaker 3: angered the Israeli influencer who first exposed these allegedly hate
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Speaker 3: filled healthcare workers. So apparently in Australia now you can
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Speaker 3: openly express hatred on camera.
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Speaker 6: But if the person recording didn't get your permission first,
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Speaker 6: the video becomes the problem.
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Speaker 4: The evidence is ruled in admissible. What a dangerous message
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Speaker 4: to send, because if you didn't consent to the recording,
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Speaker 4: then apparently the video doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: Freaking ridiculous guys with such weakness.
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Speaker 9: Jewish community in Australia should be prepared for more cases
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Speaker 9: like this because there is no deterrence.
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Speaker 6: It's the wild West.
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Speaker 3: The other frustrating element of this ruling is we can't
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Speaker 3: even tell you the full reasoning behind the judge's decision.
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Speaker 3: Why because Judge McHugh put a suppression order on the
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Speaker 3: vast majority of his judgment, so we can't say why
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Speaker 3: he made his decision. The recordings were illegal, despite court
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Speaker 3: documents we've obtained showing the Israeli legal expert consulted by
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Speaker 3: the police here could not have been more explicit that
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Speaker 3: in Israel it is not an offense.
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Speaker 4: She advised investigators.
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Speaker 3: The legal conclusion is clear the recording is lawful and
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Speaker 3: admissible under Israeli law and does not constitute an illegal wiretap.
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Speaker 3: But instead the judge appeared to prefer the argument from
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Speaker 3: the nurses lawyers that since their clients were in Sydney,
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Speaker 3: the sound was captured in New South Wales and in
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Speaker 3: this state there are laws prohibiting recording a private conversation
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Speaker 3: without the other person's consent. Now that itself was bizarre reasoning,
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Speaker 3: as the rule of law institutes, Chris Merritt told the
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Speaker 3: show last night, if it.
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Speaker 10: Was illegal, how on earth does an Australian law determined
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Speaker 10: conduct that took place in another country its extra territorial reach.
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Speaker 3: And another problem with this judgment is its acceptance that
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Speaker 3: the conversation was private. As you can probably see in
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Speaker 3: this screen grab we can show you from the video,
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Speaker 3: the nurses were in the public hospital's staff room when
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Speaker 3: they joined the online chat room chat Roulettka, and as
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Speaker 3: the court heard, deliberately selected to speak with a complete
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Speaker 3: stranger in Israel specifically, Now, why would they want to
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Speaker 3: do that? And even if a platform promises anonymity, as
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Speaker 3: chatrouletka does, it is the Internet, and these nurses were
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Speaker 3: in a public place. Ultimately, though the judge still had
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Speaker 3: the power to admit the video as evidence if he
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Speaker 3: felt its importance. Is evidence outweigh the apparent illegality of
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Speaker 3: the recording.
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Speaker 10: The real trigger is whether the judge exercised his discretion
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Speaker 10: properly in a way to exclude it. Now, we don't
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Speaker 10: know how he reached that decision, because the five pages
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Speaker 10: that he released doesn't go into that.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 10: There's probably very good reasons, but he's made it almost
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Speaker 10: impossible to defend himself.
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Speaker 3: But it's not game over yet for the prosecution. The
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Speaker 3: Israeli influencer Max Fifer can still give evidence even if
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Speaker 3: he would no doubt face a very tough cross examination.
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Speaker 3: But he's already indicated he doesn't know if he would
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Speaker 3: come to Australia to testify in person because of rising
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Speaker 3: anti semitism here, telling the court earlier, I don't know
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Speaker 3: what will happen to me there, and with a soft
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Speaker 3: treatment so many accused of this kind of hatred seemed
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Speaker 3: to get from our courts, can you honestly blame him? Well,
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Speaker 3: let's go back to that breaking news now, and Karl
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Speaker 3: Stefanovic has reportedly been acted by nine following his latest
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Speaker 3: podcast episode, in which he interviews controversial far right British
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Speaker 3: figure Tommy Robinson and calls outgoing British Prime Minister keirz
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Speaker 3: Damer a wanker. Now nine reportedly had no editorial control
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Speaker 3: over Carl's podcast, but The Australian reports nine executives have
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Speaker 3: decided to cut ties with their highest paid star.
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Speaker 4: He's on a reported two million dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson was just on with Andrew Bolt before and
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Speaker 3: this was her response.
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Speaker 11: I think they're bloody stupid to do it because you know,
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Speaker 11: when the ratings went down and I didn't nice to
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Speaker 11: bring back Carl. Well they brought him back and guess what,
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Speaker 11: their ratings went up. So they have no understanding. They've
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Speaker 11: gone so far to the left. Channel nine they're making
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Speaker 11: a big mistake. Hey, guess what, Carl, I'm looking for
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Speaker 11: someone in my office. You know, I'm watch some advisors
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Speaker 11: my office. So Carl, you know, come and apply for
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Speaker 11: a job with me. We'll have a great time. We'll
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Speaker 11: put them all on notice and we'll get the country
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Speaker 11: back on track.
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Speaker 4: Mate.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Pauline could even afford him, but
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Speaker 3: we'll see joining me in our sky and he's contributed
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Speaker 3: Joe Hildebround and DPG Advisory Solutions bounding director David Gazard.
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Speaker 4: Welcome both of you. What a big news day.
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Speaker 12: Joe.
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Speaker 3: Carl has increasingly been very bold with his new podcast.
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Speaker 3: He's hosted a number of controversial figures now people he
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Speaker 3: never would have had on the Line network. Was this
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Speaker 3: his way of trying to get out of his contract behind.
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Speaker 13: Which was due to end, Absolutely no doubt. I like
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Speaker 13: my Carl. I've done morning television, I've done podcasting, not
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Speaker 13: quite as successfully as he has, it has to be said,
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Speaker 13: but he has a track record of being ahead of
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Speaker 13: the game, and I think, frankly that he has played
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Speaker 13: a blinder. I think I hate Tony Robinson, I should
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Speaker 13: say I think he's a despicable human being, Tommy Robinson Robinson.
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Speaker 13: But I like Carl a lot, and I think that
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Speaker 13: he knows that the only way for his podcast to
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Speaker 13: get the sort of numbers that it needs to make,
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Speaker 13: the sort of money that he would like to make
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Speaker 13: compared to what he was on at Channel nine, You've
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Speaker 13: got it's got to be huge, So he's got to
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Speaker 13: interview those massive people like Pauline Hanson and that got
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Speaker 13: you know, that was his first one and got his
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Speaker 13: huge traction because of One Nation's massive network. It was
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Speaker 13: posted on all its platforms, and so of course all
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Speaker 13: these One Nation It's juggernaut that is behind Pauline gets
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Speaker 13: behind Carl. The second one I think sort of fell
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Speaker 13: off a cliff a bit, and so he obviously knows
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Speaker 13: that he's got to keep getting these really controversial, attention
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Speaker 13: seeking extreme figures.
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Speaker 4: I mean that is completely the chef exactly, and that is.
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Speaker 13: Completely that's right, and that's completely incompatible with being in
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Speaker 13: people's lound rooms every morning. So you know, I'm just
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Speaker 13: the average suburban dad. I'm just like you, almost straight.
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Speaker 13: You can't be sort of Carl Stefanovic over here. And
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Speaker 13: you know Kent when you're on TV, right.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he was Clark Kent, but he
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Speaker 3: certainly was doing very well for himself. David, what do
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Speaker 3: you think of this move to sack Calbo? Didn't I
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Speaker 3: really have a choice at the end of.
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Speaker 1: The day, Yeah, I think they did. I'm with Joe
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Speaker 1: on this.
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Speaker 7: If they'd want to dress this up and run it themselves,
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Speaker 7: you know, shocking New revelations to drive ratings. They would have,
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Speaker 7: and it would have driven ratings, there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 7: But we all know that traditional TV is under huge
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Speaker 7: budget trey constraints. As you've noticed, he's their biggest star
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Speaker 7: on you know, reported two million dollars a year, and
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Speaker 7: they're running out of budget. And you know where Carl
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Speaker 7: is going is where the world is going. Who remembers
15:48
Speaker 7: watching the news the last time, or morning television the
15:51
Speaker 7: last time, you're listening to your podcast, you're watching some
15:55
Speaker 7: show that's that's being streamed, or you're doing.
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Speaker 4: Something, you're watching sky News.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well we're watching We're all watching skys, no doubt.
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Speaker 7: But the of course everyone's watching Tonight with us on.
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Speaker 7: But it's the collapse of traditional media and nine is
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Speaker 7: not immune from that.
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Speaker 4: No, it's not.
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Speaker 3: And the other factor that line have to consider, which
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Speaker 3: you don't have to consider if you're an independent podcaster,
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Speaker 3: is the advertisers, and that would not wash well with
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Speaker 3: them hosting conspiracists, calling a prime minister a aranka.
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Speaker 13: We've seen with the other broadcasting giant that's just sort of,
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Speaker 13: you know, signed the rest of his life away. Kyle
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Speaker 13: Sandlance I also really liked, was bringing in huge ratings.
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Speaker 13: The ratings were never a problem. The ears on the
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Speaker 13: radio we're never a problem. But because of activist groups
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Speaker 13: campaigning towards advertisers and threatening advertisers and trying to you know,
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Speaker 13: trying to drag down Kyle's reputation, you do end up
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Speaker 13: with a brand problem. And so I think Carl, I
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Speaker 13: think Carl did this deliberately because he wanted to get out.
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Speaker 1: There is absolutely no.
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Speaker 13: Joy in being on a show that you know you're
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Speaker 13: going to part ways with anyway. Come hella high water.
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Speaker 13: If you know they're going to put out of the
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Speaker 13: if you're if you know your network's going to bring
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Speaker 13: the acts down on you at the end of the year, anyway,
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Speaker 13: how can you possibly get excited about building a show
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Speaker 13: or doing your very best job. And so of course
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Speaker 13: he's going to want to get out as soon as
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Speaker 13: he can. They'll probably get all the money that he
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Speaker 13: was out of the rest.
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Speaker 3: Of well yeah, that's the reports today in the Australian
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Speaker 3: that they are expected to pay out the rest of
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Speaker 3: his contract.
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Speaker 4: A billion of the work.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like, do they really want to,
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Speaker 3: you know, take him, get their lawyers involved and everything
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Speaker 3: else very quickly. Who do you think could replace him
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Speaker 3: before we move on to something else.
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Speaker 13: I think it might get David Campbell from today extra.
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Speaker 13: I think they'll be obviously this is I think there
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Speaker 13: are no big TVs replaced.
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Speaker 4: I am you're not staying here with us as guy.
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Speaker 4: We need to hear are not going anyway.
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Speaker 3: Back to the guverment steals now with the Greens and
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanizi has cut another one in order to pass
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Speaker 3: Labour's tax package while delaying ANDIIS reforms that were meant
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Speaker 3: to save thirty seven point eight billion dollars in the budget.
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Speaker 3: Now the Greens are threatening to use future budget bills
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Speaker 3: to kill the ANDDIIS cuts altogether. David, how far are
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Speaker 3: the Greens going to be able to hold the government
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Speaker 3: to ransom over these tax changes, because they do seem
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Speaker 3: desperate to just ram them through as quickly as they
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Speaker 3: can and avoid any more debate and scrutiny.
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Speaker 7: Well, there was a very small price in terms of
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Speaker 7: getting you giving Labor the green light to pass its
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Speaker 7: latest thing, which is a tax on self managed retirees,
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Speaker 7: which I think is diabolical in terms of the the
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Speaker 7: ability of people to look after themselves in retirement and
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Speaker 7: stay out of the pension. All they really demanded was
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Speaker 7: a two month inquiry into the NDAAs with no no
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Speaker 7: guarantees whatsoever that they're going to pass the government's changes
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Speaker 7: to savings to the NDIS.
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Speaker 1: So I'm told that the Greens are.
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Speaker 7: Totally and utterly ill or poorly disposed to looking at
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Speaker 7: any of those savings that labors offered up, even around
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Speaker 7: the most fraudulent cases involving people bilking the NDIS. So
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Speaker 7: the government sold this away, gave away the self managed
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Speaker 7: changes for just a green to a two month inquiry
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Speaker 7: into the NDA.
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Speaker 1: So the price for that was very, very small.
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Speaker 7: What this does is put the nda IS firmly in
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Speaker 7: the hands of the coalition, who will really have the
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Speaker 7: whip hand because the Greens.
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Speaker 1: The government can't do a deal with the Greens.
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Speaker 7: So from an NDIS point of view, the coalition now
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Speaker 7: rules the roost in the Senate. But the Government has
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Speaker 7: been oh so quick to break its third promise, one
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Speaker 7: of which was they would never do a deal with
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Speaker 7: the Greens.
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Speaker 1: Well that's gone.
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Speaker 7: The others where they weren't going to change negative gearing
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Speaker 7: and they weren't going change capital gains tax arrangements. So
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Speaker 7: it's strike three as far as the government's concerned in
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Speaker 7: terms of its promises on what it was going to
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Speaker 7: do around tax and reform.
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Speaker 4: Three lives, three big lies, David, Are you're right?
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Speaker 3: Labor meanwhile has listed Irun's Revolutionary Guards as a state
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Speaker 3: sponsor of terrorism. Will That happened more than six months ago,
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Speaker 3: after Teyran was linked to anti Semitic attacks in Sydney
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Speaker 3: and Melbourne. We'll hear a bit more about those out
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Speaker 3: of Mike Burgess's speech soon. So you'd imagine the government
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Speaker 3: having listed the ILGC would be keen to use that
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Speaker 3: designation to I don't know, refuse passports to people suspected
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Speaker 3: of being connected to the regime maybe, But instead we
20:45
Speaker 3: learned today that past that that power to denign passports
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Speaker 3: was only quietly introduced just.
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Speaker 4: Two weeks ago. Joe, this surely is a security concern.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how many people who are connected to this
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Speaker 3: regime may have been able to slip into the country.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, I mean obviously, if you're going to introduce
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Speaker 13: matters of national security, you want to introduce them as
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Speaker 13: quickly as possible, because by definition, Liza, I'm not sure
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Speaker 13: if there's this is you know, more cock up or conspiracy.
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Speaker 13: I think the government just had a huge amount on
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Speaker 13: its plate obviously in responding to BONDI and this for
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Speaker 13: that very recently, I think I think there were even
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Speaker 13: more more pressing security concerns and even more pressing reasons.
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Speaker 13: But yes, you want it done sooner, but at least
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Speaker 13: it's been done now.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if there was much more pressing
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Speaker 3: than people linked to a terrorist regime being in the
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Speaker 3: country and allowed to come and go.
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Speaker 13: But you know too slightly, Yeah, part of the same
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Speaker 13: bigger thing, but yes, part of it.
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Speaker 4: Look new, one nation and pe.
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Speaker 3: David Farley has only been in the Parliament a few
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Speaker 3: weeks and already he started with the Teals and Greens
21:49
Speaker 3: to cap fuel tax credits for big miners, against both
21:53
Speaker 3: Labor and the Coalition. David Farley has now commented and
21:57
Speaker 3: admitted to voting for the motion by mistake, David, is
22:01
Speaker 3: this acceptable just a rookie error that he you know,
22:04
Speaker 3: he's new to parliament or do you think do you
22:07
Speaker 3: think voters will give him.
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Speaker 4: A pass for that one?
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Speaker 7: Well, welcome for first grade David Farley. If you want
22:14
Speaker 7: to stray out on the sticky paper and.
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Speaker 1: Make a mistake.
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Speaker 7: What don't you make sure that it is comes with
22:19
Speaker 7: complete havoc for the farmers that just voted for you,
22:23
Speaker 7: some of the biggest users of the diesel fuel rebate,
22:26
Speaker 7: along with miners, foresters, fishermen. That's sort of the backbone
22:30
Speaker 7: of regional Australia. And you end up voting with the
22:33
Speaker 7: Greens in a motion to imperil a tax benefit they
22:38
Speaker 7: get that they need.
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Speaker 1: So you know, if it was a mistake, it was
22:42
Speaker 1: a bad one to make up front.
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Speaker 7: I noted in the program earlier Pauline Hanson saying she
22:46
Speaker 7: carpeted him and he said it was a mistake, So
22:48
Speaker 7: I guess you know you have to take him at
22:51
Speaker 7: his word. Given the Parliament, he's difficult, but it's you
22:54
Speaker 7: know this, as as Matt Kenavan said, it's not a
22:58
Speaker 7: place to be on training wheels, right, this is where
23:01
Speaker 7: real decisions have made. You've got to think about what
23:03
Speaker 7: you're going to do.
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Speaker 1: That said.
23:04
Speaker 7: I am conscious too, as Pauline Hanson has noted, they
23:08
Speaker 7: have no staffers. They've been absolutely butchered in terms of
23:12
Speaker 7: their resources comparable to the other party. So I have
23:15
Speaker 7: some sympathy when there's a guy in for his first
23:17
Speaker 7: couple of sitting weeks, facing a whole range of complex
23:20
Speaker 7: amendments and bills that are going through and you're sitting
23:25
Speaker 7: there wondering, after taking another meeting, what the passage of
23:29
Speaker 7: the bill looks like. So I can actually see that
23:31
Speaker 7: he might have made a mistake, but it was a
23:33
Speaker 7: bad one to make up from.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not a good first go when you're a new
23:38
Speaker 3: member of Parliament. Let's take a look at some of
23:40
Speaker 3: the comments from Pauline Hanson that David just mentioned talking
23:43
Speaker 3: about this error.
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Speaker 11: And I was point blank with him and he said,
23:48
Speaker 11: I didn't I've woked in that chamber. And he said,
23:50
Speaker 11: I actually thought I was voting the way that we
23:53
Speaker 11: had to. It was an amendment. He didn't vote for
23:55
Speaker 11: the bill, so you know, he didn't vote for the
23:58
Speaker 11: bill as whole because I went through in the voices,
24:01
Speaker 11: but anyway at the amendment and it was a mistake.
24:03
Speaker 11: And I said to David, I said this is a problem.
24:06
Speaker 11: I said, you know, I've worked thirty years to get here,
24:10
Speaker 11: to stand up and fight for the austrained people, and
24:14
Speaker 11: I said, your performance in there is going to reflect
24:16
Speaker 11: on me and the one nation my members here that
24:18
Speaker 11: we've worked so hard to represent the austrain people. Do
24:21
Speaker 11: you understand what I'm saying? He said, Pauline, I said,
24:24
Speaker 11: I'm orange. He said, I agree with all your policies.
24:29
Speaker 4: So there you have it pulled in pretty clear. They're
24:33
Speaker 4: on how she pulled him.
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Speaker 13: Up on this, clear as mud pie in the face
24:36
Speaker 13: of the thing. I mean, this is the whole problem,
24:38
Speaker 13: isn't it. With one day, I can understand why people
24:41
Speaker 13: are angry. I can understand stand why they're put parking
24:43
Speaker 13: their vote with one nation to do a big you
24:45
Speaker 13: f you to the government or to the establishment. I've
24:47
Speaker 13: written about it. I understand. I speak to these people,
24:49
Speaker 13: they're my friends in many cases. But it just goes
24:52
Speaker 13: to show that one nation when it comes to actually
24:54
Speaker 13: the business of government or even the business of policy development,
24:58
Speaker 13: they're just completely out of their depth. I mean the
25:01
Speaker 13: fact that had Barnaby Joyce the effect their co leader
25:04
Speaker 13: didn't even know what their housing policy was and had
25:06
Speaker 13: to ring up and then redo an interview to get
25:10
Speaker 13: it right. And I like, Barnaby's a friend of mine,
25:11
Speaker 13: but again, you know, it just goes to show there's
25:14
Speaker 13: a big difference between being a party of protests that
25:16
Speaker 13: says that everyone else is doing everything else wrong, but
25:18
Speaker 13: when you actually have to come up with your own policies.
25:21
Speaker 13: It's clear that David Farley didn't even know what it was,
25:23
Speaker 13: and no one even knew if he voted with the
25:25
Speaker 13: Teals and the Greens on purpose or not, because nobody
25:28
Speaker 13: else knows what one nation's policy is on this or
25:31
Speaker 13: anything else, because it just changes. I mean that the
25:34
Speaker 13: words that come out of their mouths sometimes don't even
25:37
Speaker 13: articulate a particular policy well.
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't clear to me until Paulin made those
25:41
Speaker 3: comments and we heard from data he actually voted for
25:44
Speaker 3: it or not. Look some sad news to like finally
25:47
Speaker 3: form a liberal federal Liberal Party. Vice President, longtime Sky
25:51
Speaker 3: News contributed Tina McQueen has.
25:53
Speaker 4: Died after what her family has described as a short
25:56
Speaker 4: but severe illness.
25:58
Speaker 3: She was always a joy to have at Sky News,
26:01
Speaker 3: and I've got to say an absolute riot to run
26:03
Speaker 3: in two and to hair and makeup before would come on.
26:07
Speaker 3: But those are the stories I cannot repeat on air.
26:09
Speaker 3: She was a lot of fun and she treated everyone
26:11
Speaker 3: no matter what their position was here at Sky with
26:15
Speaker 3: respect and with love.
26:18
Speaker 4: It's very sad and our.
26:19
Speaker 3: Hearts go out to her daughter and her grandchildren tonight.
26:23
Speaker 3: Thank you both Joe and David kats. I appreciate your time.
26:27
Speaker 3: Now let's talk to Adam Criydon about some of the
26:30
Speaker 3: latest research out of the IPA which shows government spending
26:36
Speaker 3: has jumped to twenty nine percent of GDP, while private
26:39
Speaker 3: investment and net exports have fallen to twenty percent. Adam,
26:43
Speaker 3: even worse, GDP per capita has gone backwards in ten
26:46
Speaker 3: of the past fifteen quarters.
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Speaker 4: The IPA is calling.
26:50
Speaker 3: This another marker in Australia's managed decline. You're the chief
26:55
Speaker 3: economist at the IPA. Explain what this means. What does
26:59
Speaker 3: this mean for ustra.
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Speaker 4: Later Well, look, it's very bad news.
27:03
Speaker 12: I mean ten of the last fifteen quarters we've seen
27:05
Speaker 12: shrinkage in GDP per capita and that has not happened
27:08
Speaker 12: since the nineteen seventies, basically since digitized records started. So
27:13
Speaker 12: you know this is Australia's in a very bad position
27:16
Speaker 12: and the federal government is doing absolutely nothing to help it.
27:18
Speaker 12: We've got records spending, records spending growth, We've got rising
27:22
Speaker 12: interest rates, rising inflation and there's no reform at all.
27:26
Speaker 12: I mean, this is you know, we've just seen a
27:28
Speaker 12: series of tax increases in the federal budget. The government
27:30
Speaker 12: calls it reform, but obviously it's not reform, and I
27:33
Speaker 12: think they're really going to regret what they're doing this
27:34
Speaker 12: now you're seeing a very sudden drop off in house
27:37
Speaker 12: prices and apartment prices around the country and of course
27:39
Speaker 12: we'd like them to slowly come down to improve housing affordability,
27:42
Speaker 12: but you don't want a massive collapse, and that is
27:46
Speaker 12: currently on the cards, I would say, especially since we're
27:48
Speaker 12: going to see a fall in immigration, almost certainly by
27:50
Speaker 12: one party or another in the next couple of years,
27:53
Speaker 12: because that's what the public wants. So you've got that,
27:55
Speaker 12: you've got rising interest rates, you've got increased taxes, and now,
27:57
Speaker 12: of course they're actually changing despite promising not to. There
28:01
Speaker 12: are changing the superinnuation arrangements for SMSFS, which affects something
28:05
Speaker 12: like one point two million Australians. So that is very
28:09
Speaker 12: bad news as well. So look, I mean it's a
28:11
Speaker 12: you know, it's a diabolical budget. It's improved slightly with
28:14
Speaker 12: the backflips we've seen in the last few days to trusts,
28:16
Speaker 12: et cetera. But you know it's bad news for Australia.
28:20
Speaker 4: Still looking so bleak.
28:22
Speaker 3: The research you mentioned immigration, the research also found this
28:25
Speaker 3: reliance of the economy on population growth underpinned by mass migration.
28:30
Speaker 4: Is that making Australians poor as it is?
28:34
Speaker 12: Talk a bit about that, Yeah, well sure, so the
28:37
Speaker 12: government has has the gall to say that this is
28:39
Speaker 12: a reasonable economy, a reasonable immigration program. But we have
28:43
Speaker 12: the fastest population growth rate in the developed world, right
28:46
Speaker 12: that's that's that's you know, there's something like one hundred
28:48
Speaker 12: and ninety countries in the world, you know, half of
28:50
Speaker 12: them developed, say, and our population growth is the fastest,
28:53
Speaker 12: and the vast bulk of that is because of immigration.
28:56
Speaker 12: And as we've just discussed, the populations grow faster than
29:00
Speaker 12: the economy, and so the the slice of the pie
29:03
Speaker 12: per person has been shrinking. And it's still three hundred
29:06
Speaker 12: thousand a year on the net overseas migration figures, it's
29:09
Speaker 12: five hundred and fifty thousand a year on the alternative
29:11
Speaker 12: net net permanent long term arrivals figures.
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Speaker 1: On either measure, it's.
29:15
Speaker 12: Absolutely massive and it doesn't show much a sign of
29:19
Speaker 12: slowing down. And I think if you look at Canada
29:21
Speaker 12: for instance, where you know, in that country very similar
29:23
Speaker 12: country to Australia, actually the government there, left wing government,
29:26
Speaker 12: the Mark Carney government, has actually slashed immigration for political reasons,
29:30
Speaker 12: and you're going to see the same thing here as well.
29:32
Speaker 12: You know, it may be that the Labor Party does
29:34
Speaker 12: it before the next election because they're desperate and they
29:36
Speaker 12: want to stay in power, or maybe it'll be the
29:37
Speaker 12: next government, but it's going to happen. And when that happens,
29:40
Speaker 12: you're going to have this double whammy of a massive
29:42
Speaker 12: cut in immigration and huge increase in taxes, and the
29:45
Speaker 12: housing market will just be clobbed, which in turn can
29:48
Speaker 12: trigger a recession because people will lose confidence.
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Speaker 1: In the economy.
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Speaker 4: It's just not looking good at all.
29:53
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the federal government snow We Hydro two
29:56
Speaker 3: point zero po Jakes that is now under investigation. After alligation,
30:00
Speaker 3: its contractor flushed sewage contaminated water into the environment instead
30:06
Speaker 3: of cleaning it up properly. Adam, this is already Australia's
30:10
Speaker 3: biggest renewable energy project. It's now not only a financial blowout,
30:14
Speaker 3: but a literal blowout. How does a project this expensive
30:19
Speaker 3: still end up you know, being able to keep going.
30:25
Speaker 1: Well, look, it's you know, it's just a disaster.
30:27
Speaker 12: I mean that and the suburban railroop in Victoria are
30:30
Speaker 12: vying for the biggest white elephant, the biggest waste of
30:32
Speaker 12: money in the history of Australia, maybe even the world,
30:34
Speaker 12: who knows. I mean, this is a project that started
30:36
Speaker 12: out with a budget of two billion dollars, then it
30:39
Speaker 12: went to four billion, then it went to twenty and
30:41
Speaker 12: now it's forty billion, and increasingly people are seeing it.
30:44
Speaker 12: You know, it won't even be forty billion. It's going
30:45
Speaker 12: to be far and excess of that. And I'm sure
30:47
Speaker 12: that that's you know, that is correct. It also comes
30:49
Speaker 12: with a one trillion dollar network charge, which ultimately will
30:52
Speaker 12: be passed on to consumers.
30:54
Speaker 4: Through their bills.
30:55
Speaker 12: And of course this isn't even new energy. It's a
30:57
Speaker 12: you know, it's a battery, so it doesn't even add
31:00
Speaker 12: electricity to the system. And you know, not only that,
31:03
Speaker 12: but I think it requires you know, dozens of towers
31:06
Speaker 12: the height of Sydney habbadge pylons to be all through
31:09
Speaker 12: prime agricultural.
31:10
Speaker 3: Er was It's just been such a flop, hasn't it, Adam,
31:13
Speaker 3: We're out of time, unfortunately. Thank you for coming up,
31:16
Speaker 3: Malcolm crowning flop, Isn't it okay?
31:19
Speaker 4: Coming up?
31:20
Speaker 3: Bridget Mackenzie calls for universities pushing toxic ideologies and white
31:25
Speaker 3: shame to have their funding model broken.
31:28
Speaker 4: She joins me.
31:29
Speaker 3: Next, Okay, let's go to National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie.
31:39
Speaker 3: Now she's joining us from London after she made a
31:43
Speaker 3: speech at a conservative conference where she calls for universities
31:48
Speaker 3: that push white gilt, climate alarmism and anti semitism to
31:52
Speaker 3: have their funding model broken. Thanks for joining us, Bridget.
31:56
Speaker 3: Great to have you on here. It's very nice and
32:00
Speaker 3: funny over there. But what is happening with universities back home?
32:04
Speaker 3: When did they go from being a place of critical
32:06
Speaker 3: thinking of intellectual debate to places where people are made
32:11
Speaker 3: to feel guilty and ashamed about being white?
32:16
Speaker 8: Well, great to be with you, and yeah, I was
32:18
Speaker 8: able to make a keynote speech yesterday at the Art
32:21
Speaker 8: conference here in London where people from right around the
32:26
Speaker 8: globe who want to see Western civilization maintained and to
32:33
Speaker 8: grow and to actually prosper our gathering and sharing ideas
32:37
Speaker 8: of how we can actually.
32:40
Speaker 2: Butt up against what.
32:41
Speaker 8: We're seeing in Western democracies like Australia, like here in
32:45
Speaker 8: the UK, the US and Europe and abroad, our very
32:51
Speaker 8: traditions and values being under attack, and we see that
32:54
Speaker 8: happening in Australia. Within our universities have become hotbeds of
32:58
Speaker 8: anti Semitism. What we've been seeing as the Left has
33:03
Speaker 8: had a long march through the institutions that universities are
33:08
Speaker 8: training the next tranch of elite decision makers in our politicians,
33:13
Speaker 8: our judges, etc. Our business leaders, but also in teacher
33:17
Speaker 8: education courses, really demigrating our British heritage and our British past.
33:24
Speaker 2: And we're seeing that play out in childcare.
33:27
Speaker 8: Centers, in kindergartens, primary schools, and secondary schools and beyond.
33:31
Speaker 8: And so we've got young children being taught to respect
33:39
Speaker 8: other cultures more than the very culture that underpins our
33:43
Speaker 8: country and makes us the diverse, free and equitable society
33:48
Speaker 8: that we all enjoy and love. So I spoke about that.
33:52
Speaker 8: I also spoke about immigration, and I also spoke about
33:56
Speaker 8: the family and the importance of supporting young Australians to
34:03
Speaker 8: have kids, and that we need a country that actually
34:05
Speaker 8: sees having children as a social good.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:07
Speaker 3: We have reported a lot of stories, of course about
34:10
Speaker 3: anti semitism on university camp.
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Speaker 4: You're right, you do see it, this.
34:16
Speaker 3: White privilege theme, even at a childcat level.
34:20
Speaker 8: I can absolutely You've got four year olds, two year
34:24
Speaker 8: olds sending home photos to mum and dad painting you know,
34:30
Speaker 8: sorry logs apologizing for their British ancestors or not arrival
34:39
Speaker 8: here in Australia. We need to be proud of who
34:42
Speaker 8: we are, proud of where we've come from. We've all
34:46
Speaker 8: come from somewhere else, whether your Aboriginal Australia you arrived
34:49
Speaker 8: fifty thousand years ago, you know, my own family from
34:52
Speaker 8: Scottish Danish heritage five generations ago, or if you turned
34:57
Speaker 8: up five years ago and want to be an Australian
35:00
Speaker 8: in sign up, you want to change our country and
35:03
Speaker 8: you don't appreciate our Judo Christian values and heritage, then
35:07
Speaker 8: you need to stay where you are.
35:08
Speaker 2: That was the essential nature of my point yesterday.
35:11
Speaker 3: And you want their funding models broken so very quickly.
35:15
Speaker 3: How would that happen?
35:16
Speaker 9: Yeah?
35:17
Speaker 8: Well, I think one of the things I was asked
35:19
Speaker 8: to do here in ARC as a former senior Cabinet
35:22
Speaker 8: minister to talk about how philosophies and policies actually get
35:27
Speaker 8: into practice. And I was commenting on the education sector
35:31
Speaker 8: as something that needed to be reformed, but despite trying
35:35
Speaker 8: to do it four times, we were unable to really
35:38
Speaker 8: get those reforms that we needed through. We have three
35:42
Speaker 8: and a half percent of our population is made up
35:45
Speaker 8: of international students who come here for an education, stay
35:49
Speaker 8: for a long time afterwards, and are part of that
35:53
Speaker 8: increasing demand for our housing sector. So I think we
35:56
Speaker 8: need to look at international students funding our universities using
36:00
Speaker 8: that money and for how that is. Is that actually
36:04
Speaker 8: helping Australians get educated or is it actually bringing us
36:08
Speaker 8: down as a country.
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Speaker 2: And I would argue it's bringing us down.
36:12
Speaker 4: Well, I was an international student.
36:13
Speaker 3: I can attest to the very high fees that we
36:16
Speaker 3: had to pay, although hopefully I've contributed back to this
36:19
Speaker 3: country now hopefully.
36:20
Speaker 4: WELLO to now look look at you now exactly.
36:23
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about your coalition leader now, bridget Angus
36:27
Speaker 3: Taylor is claiming that he's short up support for the
36:30
Speaker 3: Liberals ever since Susan Lee left it in shambles.
36:33
Speaker 11: Take a look what we'd seend is a collapse before then,
36:37
Speaker 11: and they collapse.
36:39
Speaker 2: We've stemmed.
36:40
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, it was collapsing at
36:41
Speaker 11: a rapid rapid pace.
36:43
Speaker 3: Well, bridget Angus Taylor may say that, but newspol does
36:46
Speaker 3: tell a different story. It puts the opposition back where
36:49
Speaker 3: it was before Susan Lee even stepped down.
36:52
Speaker 4: So what is he talking about here? Can he spin
36:54
Speaker 4: it like this?
36:57
Speaker 8: I've been in politics a long time and I think
37:00
Speaker 8: commentating in detail on polls this far out from the
37:04
Speaker 8: actual finishing line is always frought with danger either way.
37:08
Speaker 8: So I think we've got a really clear and simple
37:11
Speaker 8: job to do in the Liberal and the National Party,
37:14
Speaker 8: and that is to connect with voters, to be talking
37:18
Speaker 8: about what Australians want to see done in this country,
37:21
Speaker 8: what they want to.
37:22
Speaker 2: See changed, because they do want change.
37:25
Speaker 8: They don't like where the Labor Party is taking our nation,
37:28
Speaker 8: particularly economically and culturally, and we need to have clear
37:33
Speaker 8: policies to address that and then get on the ground
37:36
Speaker 8: and talk to everyday Austrains about what we're going to do.
37:39
Speaker 8: So that's the hard work of winning an election, that's
37:42
Speaker 8: the hard work of representative democracy. I'm up for that
37:45
Speaker 8: challenge and I think any speculation around poles.
37:48
Speaker 2: We've just got to get in there and do the
37:49
Speaker 2: hard work. That's what austraiins payers to do.
37:52
Speaker 3: I guess that's a good response when the polls aren't
37:54
Speaker 3: looking so good. But look, Bridgetman, we appreciate you coming on.
37:57
Speaker 3: Have a wonderful time for the rest of your trip
38:00
Speaker 3: in London.
38:01
Speaker 4: Coming up Britain.
38:02
Speaker 3: Speaking of Britain, it's descending into political chaos before the
38:06
Speaker 3: leadership race has even begun. Kosher Garda is with me
38:10
Speaker 3: after the break well. Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tuscan
38:18
Speaker 3: area home back in February, with blood found on the
38:22
Speaker 3: porch and a video showing a masked stranger outside her
38:26
Speaker 3: front door. Now, newly reported ransom notes are adding a
38:30
Speaker 3: chilling new layer to this mystery, with a notes sent
38:33
Speaker 3: to police and media outlets claiming Nancy had died, with
38:38
Speaker 3: the kidnappers allegedly saying they didn't understand her health conditions,
38:43
Speaker 3: did not mean for her to die, and said that
38:46
Speaker 3: she was now buried with nature. Joining me now is
38:49
Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Kosher Gada Kosher. Obviously, Nancy is Savannah Guthrie,
38:55
Speaker 3: a big TV personality in the state's her mother. This
39:00
Speaker 3: has become a very big story in America. Savannah Guthrie
39:05
Speaker 3: is still begging for answers months later to this. How
39:09
Speaker 3: much is this new information being trusted that her mother
39:14
Speaker 3: may have died, Does the family believe it? And what
39:18
Speaker 3: are they doing now?
39:21
Speaker 2: It's hard to say.
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Speaker 14: They've been pretty tight lipped about the specifics there, but
39:26
Speaker 14: I think it's a fair assumption that that's what the
39:28
Speaker 14: belief is. She was eighty four years old, she had
39:31
Speaker 14: a heart condition. As you mentioned, she had a pacemaker
39:34
Speaker 14: that was connected. It was a connected device to her
39:37
Speaker 14: cell phone, which there's a timestamp when it stopped sending signals,
39:42
Speaker 14: presumably because it was out of arranged from the phone
39:44
Speaker 14: and she was abducted. So all of that and the
39:46
Speaker 14: fact that it's been one hundred and forty days and
39:48
Speaker 14: she has not been recovered, would lead to the common
39:52
Speaker 14: sense conclusion that, unfortunately and sadly, she probably is unlikely
39:56
Speaker 14: to have survived that abduction for many reasons. And then
39:58
Speaker 14: the second note, as you mentioned and stated that, so
40:01
Speaker 14: the family on some level have probably accepted it, but
40:04
Speaker 14: just getting closure is so difficult. It's such a sad story,
40:07
Speaker 14: and until you get some sort of finality from it.
40:10
Speaker 14: I think it's human nature to want to continue searching.
40:14
Speaker 14: And of course, Ivana Goatri, as you mentioned, the daughter
40:16
Speaker 14: is a high profile TV personality, has access to people,
40:20
Speaker 14: to publicity, and that's why they're going to keep pushing
40:23
Speaker 14: it and see if they can get some sort of
40:24
Speaker 14: closure of finality to this very sad story.
40:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done so many emotional appeals on television asking
40:31
Speaker 3: for their mother back or for these.
40:33
Speaker 4: For people to come forward with information. It's very sad
40:36
Speaker 4: if that's what happened.
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Speaker 3: And let's talk about Britain, where.
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Speaker 4: The country is in a bizarre political limbo.
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Speaker 3: Major decisions have been frozen after Andy Burnham, who's tip
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Speaker 3: to succeed Keir Starmer, met with Starma to discuss a
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Speaker 3: transfer of power before nominations have even opened for the leadership. Kosher,
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Speaker 3: How can Britain function when Starmer is leaving but Burnham
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Speaker 3: hasn't even formally nominated.
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Speaker 4: For the position.
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Speaker 14: Certainly feels like such a mess. He seems to be
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Speaker 14: the heir apparent. But as you say, another procedural stuff
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Speaker 14: has happened. People are resigning the party and its popularity
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Speaker 14: is circling the drain. It seems like sort of brass
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Speaker 14: knuckled politicking where Burnham, this character just has a lot
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Speaker 14: of nostalgia benefiting him from the Gordon Brown era. He
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Speaker 14: has sort of ridden the wave of Manchester and everything
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Speaker 14: that's happened over there. So he's sort of like a
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Speaker 14: famous personality in that sense. But he's not tarred with
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Speaker 14: all the missteps that Labor has had since they won
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Speaker 14: the majority in the last election, and so he's positioning
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Speaker 14: himself to come in. He's doing what he needs to
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Speaker 14: do to get the policy agenda that he wants either
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Speaker 14: in place or at least to get Starmer to stand
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Speaker 14: back on things like defense spending and social programs and
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Speaker 14: all that. Maybe there's a little bit of a split
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Speaker 14: between them, but by and large make the broader point
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Speaker 14: that you know that famous scene politics is showbiz for
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Speaker 14: ugly people. It feels like I have to say, sitting
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Speaker 14: here from a far Caroline, that nothing will really change
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Speaker 14: for the party or even the country. It's like you
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Speaker 14: slot one actor in and out like widgets, and I
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Speaker 14: would be surprised if you see a big change in
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Speaker 14: direction for the country. Sadly one way or the other,
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Speaker 14: whether it's Starmer in that top speed seat or Burnham.
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Speaker 3: I think Kosha Gada just revealed she doesn't find either
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Speaker 3: Kiyas Dharma or Andy Burnham attractive.
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Speaker 4: There are very revealing comments, Koshev, But you're right. Let's
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Speaker 4: turn to the latest on the Irun deal.
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Speaker 3: Now, the International Atomic Energy Agency says it has inspected
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Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear plan one of their nuclear plants in early June,
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Speaker 3: but still hasn't been allowed into the nuclear sites that
42:47
Speaker 3: were damaged during the Twelve Day war with Israel. And
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Speaker 3: at the same time, Iran is threatening to tighten its
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Speaker 3: grip on the Strait of hor moves, with Marco Rubio
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Speaker 3: warning Teyran will not be allowed to charge tolls on
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Speaker 3: an international waterway but kosher. If the watchdog can't verify
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Speaker 3: whether Iran has suspended uranium enrichment, how can anyone trust
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Speaker 3: tape runs work just very quickly.
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Speaker 14: I think that's one of the fundamental flaws and this
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Speaker 14: whole deal, in this whole concept, how can anybody ever
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Speaker 14: trust it? Who's going to enforce it, who's going to
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Speaker 14: measure it. That's why a lot of people are skeptical
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Speaker 14: about this MoU and what it's really going to mean.
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Speaker 14: But that's the reality that the US wants out and
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Speaker 14: unfortunate people are going to have to trust it or
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Speaker 14: live with the lack of trust.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how you can trust the terrorist regime,
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Speaker 3: but they go kosher Gata.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time. Coming up a
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Speaker 4: chilling warning from Mike.
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Speaker 3: Burgess about the threat Australia can't afford to ignore.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Josh Bruce joins me after the break.
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess has used asio's annual Security Thread Assessment speech
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Speaker 3: to deliver a stark about the state of extremism in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The ASIO boss said, anti Semitism is now one of
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Speaker 3: the few things that links almost every violent extremist cohort.
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Speaker 15: Take a look sadly and illogically, hatred of Jews is
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Speaker 15: one thing virtually all violent extremist cohorts have in common.
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Speaker 15: Neo Nazis are anti Semitic, Islamic extremism is anti Semitic.
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Speaker 15: Nation states can be anti Semitic, as we saw with
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Speaker 15: the arson attacks against the Jewish communities in Melbourne and Sydney,
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Speaker 15: perpetrated by criminals directed by Israel's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
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Speaker 15: This gets surprisingly little media coverage, but Australian companies with
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Speaker 15: perceived links to Israel are being subjected to repeated acts
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Speaker 15: of vandalism and arson by far left activists, and.
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Speaker 3: Burgess went further warning than Even though Australia's terrorism threat
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Speaker 3: level remains at probable, that's what it was before the
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Speaker 3: Bonni attack two, that label may not be strong enough
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Speaker 3: for the environment we're now facing, with politically motivated violence
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Speaker 3: becoming more likely.
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Speaker 15: Australia's terrorism threat level remains it probable, but I don't
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Speaker 15: believe the system was designed for situation like the one
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Speaker 15: we face now. Probable does not tell the full story.
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Speaker 15: The next level on the scale is expected, which applies
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Speaker 15: when we have intelligence about a specific attack. We do not,
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Speaker 15: but we do know the environment is degrading and acts
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Speaker 15: of politically motivated violence are becoming more likely than probable suggests.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Deacon University Associate Professor doctor Josh Ruse. Josh,
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Speaker 3: thanks for your time to line now. When the Azio
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Speaker 3: boss says anti Semitism cuts across Neo Nazis, Islamists, the
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Speaker 3: far left, and hostile foreign states too, why isn't this
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Speaker 3: being treated as a national crisis. I mean it took
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Speaker 3: the Bonde attack for the government to wake up, but
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Speaker 3: we have been warning about these sorts of things on
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Speaker 3: Sky News for years now.
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Speaker 9: It certainly is a national crisis and it requires a
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Speaker 9: whole of government approach. We've seen now for some years
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Speaker 9: the Jewish community in Australia but more broadly across the
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Speaker 9: West based an ideological encirclement from the extreme right, extreme left,
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Speaker 9: Islamist actors, conspiratorial movements, and in particular in the online
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Speaker 9: space for many new and emerging ideological orientations as well.
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Speaker 9: And yet for too long, particularly in the lead up
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Speaker 9: to Bondo, it was never on the national agenda or
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Speaker 9: the radar, and if anything, it was cloaked in the
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Speaker 9: language of any Zionism, which has been a significant issue
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Speaker 9: to this day.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the security boss saying probable no longer
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Speaker 3: tells the full story when it comes to the threat
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Speaker 3: of another terror attack? Does this suggest Australians have been
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Speaker 3: underwarned about this issue?
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Speaker 4: Is this have we been I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you can say we've been complacent
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Speaker 3: since Bondni, But do we need to be more concerned here?
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Speaker 9: It's an incredibly sobering assessment and far more detailed and
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Speaker 9: comprehensive than I've seen it in past updates. What we're
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Speaker 9: talking about here is the probable threat assessment means is
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Speaker 9: a greater than fifty percent chance. He's making it very
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Speaker 9: clear that it doesn't meet the expected threshold, which is
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Speaker 9: that there's a certainty of an attack. But the threat
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Speaker 9: is coming from so many different fronts that we have
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Speaker 9: to take account of a likelihood of something occurring at
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Speaker 9: any time, and it could be coming from anywhere. I
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Speaker 9: interpret this not only as an issue of the threat,
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Speaker 9: but also of resourcing. It's very clear when you look
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Speaker 9: at the wider message here that Azio desperately require further
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Speaker 9: resourcing to deal with the multitude of threats.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Mike Burgess gave to the Royal Commission
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Speaker 3: and he talked about how he had put out assessments
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Speaker 3: and updates before the Bonde attack and these don't seem
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Speaker 3: to have been acted on, at least by police. That's
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Speaker 3: some of the evidence that we've heard at the Commission.
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Speaker 4: Do you think that.
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Speaker 3: Police now need to act based on this update that
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Speaker 3: probable isn't quite the right descriptive that it is now
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Speaker 3: more likely than that do they police now need to
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Speaker 3: do even more.
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Speaker 9: I'd say that every single law enforcement agency in the country,
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Speaker 9: police forces, but also the other even down to local
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Speaker 9: bibles quite frankly, need to start, need to take this
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Speaker 9: assessment on board, look at what it means for their
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Speaker 9: organization and the threat that they face, their officers face,
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Speaker 9: but also the wide of public faces and an act.
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Speaker 9: It's critical. I haven't seen a more advanced and sobering
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Speaker 9: morning so far over the last decade.
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Speaker 3: Wow, and the most advanced warning in your view in
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Speaker 3: ten years, Josh. Also in the speech, Mike Burgess revealed
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Speaker 3: Iran recruited a former Australian resident through Iraqi militia groups
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Speaker 3: to direct the Adas Israel Synagogue attack, the fire bombing
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Speaker 3: that took place in Melbourne. It also revealed new details
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Speaker 3: about another attack, the Lewis Continental Kitchen.
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Speaker 4: Also that.
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess said there was an Australian overseas that helped
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Speaker 3: direct that attack. How alarming do you find I mean,
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Speaker 3: we know that there was Iran was behind these two
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Speaker 3: attacks in particular, but how alarming do you find these
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Speaker 3: details that an Australian was involved from overseas?
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Speaker 9: Incredibly alarming, and I think it speaks to how complacent
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Speaker 9: Australia has been in the past, but also about the
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Speaker 9: challenges moving forward. Australia is a very very open society.
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Speaker 9: For a democracy, we allow for edom of movement. We
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Speaker 9: don't control our people and what they're a keep tabs
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Speaker 9: on them when they're overseas. Here we've seen that exploited
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Speaker 9: by the Iranian regime who use Australian citizens to orchestrate attacks,
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Speaker 9: also using criminal proxies. We know that Iran is also
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Speaker 9: very active in Europe and the assessment speaks to the
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Speaker 9: fact that that may increase here in Australia in a
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Speaker 9: similar vein. We know other governments are also looking at
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Speaker 9: everything from sabotage through to cyber espinagent and cyber attacks.
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Speaker 9: Australia is being hit on multiple fronts, at both an
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Speaker 9: official state level but also by states who are seeking
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Speaker 9: to undermine our social cohesion and obviously, most of most
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Speaker 9: relevance in the context of Bondi attack our Jewish communities.
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Speaker 4: Josh Truce.
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Speaker 3: It is a very sobering waiter end the show, but
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Speaker 3: it's so important that people know what the threat level
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Speaker 3: is out there and maybe just their behavior accordingly, we
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time tonight. Thanks for going through that
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Speaker 3: important speech with us. That is all the time we
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Speaker 3: have tonight. I'll be back here at eight pm. But
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Speaker 3: now it's time for Paul Murray Live
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Speaker 13: MHM.