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Masey McLain Chose Impact Over Opportunity and the Lord Did the Rest · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Macy, thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Macy McLean, who was involved in the new movie Flywheel
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  Speaker 2: Ignition of the Soul. It tells the story of a
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  Speaker 2: used car salesman whose unethical approach to business begins unraveling.
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  Speaker 2: It's the latest movie from the Kendrick brothers. Macy, you
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  Speaker 2: have a unique role in this. You're part of the
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  Speaker 2: English speaking cast because this movie was originally filmed in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: It's filmed in Portuguese. What is your role in the movie?
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  Speaker 2: Who do you speak for? And why did you want
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So my role in the movie is Anna. She's
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  Speaker 1: the wife. And, okay, I wanted to be a part
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  Speaker 1: of this because I believe it's 20 years old since
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  Speaker 1: they've made the first one. 20 years exactly this year.
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  Speaker 1: So I was little when the first one came out.
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  Speaker 1: And my dad loved the first one. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it was one of the, I mean... I really think
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  Speaker 1: it was the very first Christian film we'd ever seen
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  Speaker 1: or I'd ever seen. And I just remember my dad
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  Speaker 1: just loved it so much. And I've always remembered that
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  Speaker 1: through the years. So when I got the call to do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like to voice Anna, I was like, it
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  Speaker 1: just felt really special. My dad is somebody that has
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  Speaker 1: that integrity and fights for the kind of integrity that
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  Speaker 1: you'll see the lead character kind of going on a
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  Speaker 1: journey with or of. And, I think that's why it
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  Speaker 1: felt so special to me because I've seen my dad
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  Speaker 1: stand up for things and I've seen him really fight
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  Speaker 1: to do the right thing, even when it was impossible.
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  Speaker 1: And even when like everyone was like, you're crazy. And
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  Speaker 1: so it felt kind of close to home in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: So when I called him, I was doing it. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, what? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Kendrick brothers, like this, this was their first movie
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  Speaker 2: and they're honest when they talk about it. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not, if we could have done it all over again,
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  Speaker 2: it would have been It was shot with a low-budget camera.
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  Speaker 2: It just didn't have a big budget. This was the
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  Speaker 2: one immediately before Facing the Giants. It was that, Facing
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  Speaker 2: the Giants, and then Fireproof, and then Courageous. I'm showing
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  Speaker 2: my age here because I covered all of those except
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  Speaker 2: this one. I didn't cover Flywell. This is a remake
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a.
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  Speaker 2: Reimagining of it, I guess, because they took it to
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  Speaker 2: Brazil and kind of made it, I guess, kind of
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  Speaker 2: a movie for to spread the gospel in Brazil. It's
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  Speaker 2: really cool what they're doing there. What were the challenges
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  Speaker 2: though of doing this voicing? Because most of your roles,
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing, have been in front of the camera. What's
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  Speaker 2: it like to voice and try to bring a character
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  Speaker 2: to life through your voice?
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  Speaker 1: It was hard. It was like, okay, I had to
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  Speaker 1: like get in the groove of it because you're in
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  Speaker 1: a studio and you're not even in the studio with
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  Speaker 1: your director. So our director is, I think he was
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  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at the time. I was in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: And he's just like calling in, like directing me over
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  Speaker 1: the phone basically. But man, it's so hard because even
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  Speaker 1: things like, even acting wise, I'm having to match her acting.
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  Speaker 1: So I have to like watch the scene in real time.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't really, you know, hardly seen it. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this scene, she's doing this. Okay. Okay. So I have
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  Speaker 1: to watch, I have to match her inflection. I have
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  Speaker 1: to match the way she's saying that, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: even things I would do differently or the same or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I had to be like, no, this is, This is Anna.
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  Speaker 1: She's playing Anna. I am just the voice for her.
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  Speaker 1: So it was hard. And also with Portuguese and English,
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  Speaker 1: they talk, gosh, is it faster or slower?
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  Speaker 2: I've always thought they talked faster.
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  Speaker 1: They talk faster. So I had to figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to match English to be the same cadence as her
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  Speaker 1: mouth moving, because you want to match it as close
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  Speaker 1: as you can. So I had an incredible director and
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was fun. It was a fun challenge.
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  Speaker 1: I'd never done anything like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's done really well. What you're seeing
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  Speaker 2: on screen, of course, is an all-Brazilian cast, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: They're so good. Oh, my word.
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  Speaker 2: They're so good. I was blown away by the excellence
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  Speaker 2: of the acting. I mean, if people saw the original
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  Speaker 2: Flywheel and saw this, they would think it's night and
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  Speaker 2: day in terms of just the quality of it. So
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  Speaker 2: if you didn't like the original, give this one a shot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really, it's done really well.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Not original, man. It's, you know, the Kindred
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  Speaker 1: Brothers with their films, it's such a ministry. How they
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  Speaker 1: approach filmmaking is truly like, I mean, it's their ministry.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's so cool to even think about that
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  Speaker 1: first film, how like low quality. I mean, you Google
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  Speaker 1: it and you're like, whoa. But it's still made, man.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know it impacted my dad so much.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just cool how God can take something like,
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  Speaker 1: they were just kind of, you know, going for it.
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  Speaker 1: And then still made an impact. So now to see
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  Speaker 1: what can happen through this one at the excellence it's at,
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  Speaker 1: the quality it's at, it's really, I think it's really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just brought their loaves and fishes and God
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  Speaker 2: multiplied it. It was real. Yeah, here it is. This movie,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, is about integrity. It's about family. It's
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  Speaker 2: about following Christ. Before we move to another subject, what
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  Speaker 2: are the lessons in this film for the audience? What
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  Speaker 2: do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Man, I mean, every time I watch it, it's, man,
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like he, the lead character just really
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  Speaker 1: goes out on a limb at every turn after he
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  Speaker 1: gives his life to Christ of like, what does it
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  Speaker 1: mean to actually follow Christ? Like, what does it mean
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  Speaker 1: to actually, when the Lord says do something, you put
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  Speaker 1: everything on the line and do it, no matter how
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  Speaker 1: insane you're going to look, no matter how much of
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  Speaker 1: a risk it is, even financially. I mean, he really
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  Speaker 1: risks it all because the Lord, you know, basically, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to give away the story, but, you know,
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  Speaker 1: tells him to do some drastic things. And, I just
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  Speaker 1: think even fighting for that integrity, I think the world
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  Speaker 1: is watching us and how we live our life and
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  Speaker 1: what obedience we have to Christ. And man, we say
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  Speaker 1: we trust God, but when you actually have to put
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  Speaker 1: yourself on the line like that, like he does, it'll
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  Speaker 1: show where your faith is. And it's a challenge to
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  Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For those who don't know the story, he's selling used
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  Speaker 2: cars with problems that have had major problems and he's
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  Speaker 2: selling them. as kind of newer cars or like new
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  Speaker 2: cars or whatever. And then the plot turns when he
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  Speaker 2: does it to his pastor. He sells his pastor this
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  Speaker 2: car that should have been probably worth, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: 500 bucks or in a scrapyard. And he sells it
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  Speaker 2: to him for thousands and thousands of dollars. It's a
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  Speaker 2: funny scene, but it's a turning point in his life.
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  Speaker 2: It's been 10 years since your breakout role in I'm
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  Speaker 2: Not Ashamed when you portrayed Rachel Joy Scott, the teenager
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  Speaker 2: killed at Columbine. When you look back at that, how
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  Speaker 2: did that impact? where you are today and how did
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  Speaker 2: that impact your life at the time?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it shaped so much of
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  Speaker 1: my journey and career in film. I mean, I got
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  Speaker 1: to do a film that was just so bold for
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  Speaker 1: the Lord. And man, even when I think about getting
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  Speaker 1: to do that project, I'm still so taken aback because
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  Speaker 1: I get messages still today where people are like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I just turned that movie on. And I mean, my
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  Speaker 1: life has changed or I just, you know, I'm, I'm,
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  Speaker 1: on my knees praying in my bedroom and I just
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  Speaker 1: gave my life to Christ. And I just, it always
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  Speaker 1: centers me back to what is the purpose of what
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing as an actress. And, you know, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I auditioned for everything I've been in everything,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like whether it's of a faith Avenue or not,
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  Speaker 1: but man, when it boils down to it, it's like my,
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  Speaker 1: my life and my mission is for the kingdom of God.
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  Speaker 1: And it has to be. And that movie just so
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  Speaker 1: the Lord just so graciously set the tone for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of, you know, for my career. Um, it being
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  Speaker 1: for his glory and for his kingdom. And I just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it shaped a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Did you grow up wanting to be an actress?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was always like in front of the
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  Speaker 1: camera and you know, those, that kind of an entertainer child.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I was 15, I did my first
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  Speaker 1: play and I just, have you ever seen chariots of fire?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. You know, it's like when he's being interviewed and
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  Speaker 1: he says like, when I run, I feel the Lord's pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I feel God's delight. This is what I
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  Speaker 1: was made to do. I felt that when I was
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  Speaker 1: acting for the first time. It's like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is what the Lord has given
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  Speaker 1: me to do. When I act, I feel the Lord's pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like that. And I felt like I could
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  Speaker 1: fly for the first time and just was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want to do this the.
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  Speaker 2: Rest of my life.
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  Speaker 1: And so now anytime I'm on a set, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of have that feeling again. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've also portrayed Ashley Baxter in The Baxters and Beth
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  Speaker 2: O'Leary in Soul on Fire, which came out, I think,
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  Speaker 2: in the past couple of years. What types of projects
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  Speaker 2: attract you? Are there certain ones that you're gravitated toward?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just feel like it never gets
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  Speaker 1: old to do things that actually make an eternal impact
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  Speaker 1: in people's life. Because I mean, this business is so fickle. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I love doing projects even that
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  Speaker 1: are just for fun. I mean, those are entertainment. I'm
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  Speaker 1: an entertainer. I love that stuff. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, you can do a project and then
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  Speaker 1: it's over. But man, when you get to do something
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  Speaker 1: that people come up to me and just like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that your character like it made an impact on my life.
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  Speaker 1: Like it changed the way I view the world. It
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  Speaker 1: changed the way I live my life. Then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: that just is always humbling because I'm like, how cool?
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  Speaker 1: How cool the power of film, you know? So I
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  Speaker 1: love inspirational stories. And I love, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: love anything that really moves people and hits a chord
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  Speaker 1: deep in their soul. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've also been writing. You're an actress in front of
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  Speaker 2: the screen. You're a voice actress with this one. And
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  Speaker 2: you're also a screenwriter. You had a project that just
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  Speaker 2: came out in the past few days you were telling
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  Speaker 2: me about before we started recording here, a Great American
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  Speaker 2: Family movie, which I love. I love those Great American
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  Speaker 2: Family movies. This is a Christmas movie. So tell us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about that.
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  Speaker 1: So I started writing in COVID era, because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what to do with my life or my time,
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  Speaker 1: because acting stopped at the time, obviously. And so an
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  Speaker 1: actress that I worked with in I'm Not Ashamed, she
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  Speaker 1: played like one of the mean girls. We became really close.
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  Speaker 1: And we like actually were roommates in LA for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And then during COVID, we just decided to become a
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  Speaker 1: writing duo. And so now she's my writing partner from
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  Speaker 1: I'm Not Ashamed. It's really fun. But yeah, so we
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  Speaker 1: wrote this movie together for Candace Cameron Bray. It's actually
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  Speaker 1: our third Christmas movie for her. And it's called A
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  Speaker 1: Second Chance Christmas. And it is very redemptive. It's very,
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  Speaker 1: it's a drama. Like Taylor and I in these Christmas movies,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of have like a formula you have to
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  Speaker 1: stick to a little bit with. I mean, everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: the Hallmark, the Great American Family. At the end of
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  Speaker 1: a Christmas movie, everything needs to be okay, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: you want to walk away being like, okay, it's Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: My heart is warmed and I feel great, you know?
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  Speaker 1: You're never going to walk away in a tragedy in
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  Speaker 1: a Christmas movie. But our goal with these movies are
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  Speaker 1: always like, okay, if we have this box to stay in,
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  Speaker 1: how deep of a well can we dig in that box?
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  Speaker 1: Like how deep can we go? And it's been really
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  Speaker 1: cool to stretch those muscles and to like push the bounds.
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  Speaker 1: But I really feel like we found that. Like this one,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to need some tissues. And it's very moving.
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  Speaker 1: I watched it last night for the first time. I
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  Speaker 1: usually get to see my movies before everyone else. But
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  Speaker 1: I ended up, I hosted like a backyard viewing party
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  Speaker 1: with my friends and put up Christmas lights and had
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  Speaker 1: candy and popcorn and Coke. And all my friends watched
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  Speaker 1: it on a projector in the yard and they loved it.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, this is part of the Great American
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  Speaker 2: Family Christmas lineup that comes out every, I guess it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be great this year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for those who are wondering why we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: Christmas movies in October, it's because that's when it starts.
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  Speaker 2: The lineup starts in October, then through November, and then
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  Speaker 2: I guess it ends around Christmas time. So check that out.
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  Speaker 2: What's the name of it again?
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  Speaker 1: A Second Chance Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: A Second Chance Christmas. Before we close here, you also
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  Speaker 2: have another talent for farming. Your bio says on your Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: it says, I tell stories and feed the goats before bed.
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  Speaker 2: And if you scroll down, you can see images of
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  Speaker 2: Macy with actual animals. Tell us, is this something your
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  Speaker 2: family got you into or something you got interested in
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  Speaker 2: by yourself?
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  Speaker 1: It's really interesting. My husband and I went from no
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  Speaker 1: animals to 22 overnight, basically. Like we just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's part of our personalities. We just really
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  Speaker 1: go for things and both of us do that. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, where's our balance, you know? Yeah. But we
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  Speaker 1: basically have like seven chickens, five ducks, a pony, a cat,
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  Speaker 1: a dog. What else do I have? I can't even
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  Speaker 1: think right now. I have more animals.
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  Speaker 2: But you have eggs. You have fresh eggs, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I have fresh eggs every day, yes. So, I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. Like, it's chaos. Everything you
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  Speaker 1: see on Instagram, I mean, not for me because mine
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  Speaker 1: is pretty much chaos. But from other, like, from like
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  Speaker 1: the pretty pictures of farm life and Pinterest ever, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lie. It's a lie, everyone. It's chaos, and it
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  Speaker 1: is easy, and it is hard, and it is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: It's just crazy, but I love it. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: feels like I travel a lot for work. So it
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  Speaker 1: just feels like home, like when you come home to
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  Speaker 1: your animals and they're happy to see you. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have kids yet, so right now.
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  Speaker 2: We have 22 animals. They're not impressed with anything you do.
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  Speaker 2: They want to be fed.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're just screaming.
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  Speaker 2: They want to take care.
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  Speaker 1: I just had two baby goats born yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: What are the goats for? I'm starting to look at
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  Speaker 2: my farm.
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  Speaker 1: After a while, you start to look at everybody and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, what are you contributing here? What rent?
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  Speaker 1: What rent are you paying? My chickens give me eggs.
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  Speaker 1: My dog guards me. But the goats, we say they
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  Speaker 1: landscape because they eat all the grass. So we're just
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  Speaker 1: going to go with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I was going to suggest that. You
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  Speaker 2: just got to keep them out of the road. You
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  Speaker 2: got to keep them out of the road, but they
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  Speaker 2: can take care of your guard. Yeah. And I love
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  Speaker 2: goats because they'll eat anything. If you're at a zoo
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  Speaker 2: and you have a zoo map, they'll eat the zoo map.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they're crazy. One fun story really quick. One day
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  Speaker 1: they got out of the fence and accidentally left my
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  Speaker 1: door open to my house. And my husband had just
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  Speaker 1: built our brand new house. He builds houses. And he
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  Speaker 1: came home And I was gone. And seven goats were
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  Speaker 1: inside our brand new house. One was standing on the stove,
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  Speaker 1: had turned the oven on. I kid you not. This
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  Speaker 1: goat could have gone up in flames because I have
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  Speaker 1: a gas stove. Turn the oven on. One was on
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  Speaker 1: the couch. And I'm talking like, I mean, they are
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  Speaker 1: just using the bathroom everywhere. I'll just be proper and
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  Speaker 1: say that. All over the couch, brand new couch. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're on the kitchen table. And he's just like, You
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  Speaker 1: know that voice where it's like a little scary calm,
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  Speaker 1: like no one's freaking out, but it's too calm. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, hi, I need you to get home right now.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, there are goats inside. And I was like, what?
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, he took care of it and we got
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  Speaker 1: him out. Don't leave your door unlocked if you have goats.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. Maybe the moral of the story is
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  Speaker 2: don't get goats.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get goats.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get goats. But if you do, keep the doors closed.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking to Macy McLean, who voices one of
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  Speaker 2: the characters in the movie Flywheel, Ignition of the Soul. Macy,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: See you next time.