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THE BUILT SYSTEMS THAT KEEP AFRICANS SMALL · Apostle Lazarus Femi

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  Speaker 1: My dad played in the same position. After thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: he never went home. He has so many promotional opportunities
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  Speaker 1: for he never took them.
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  Speaker 2: Because he believes in his family they should not be
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  Speaker 2: that big.
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  Speaker 3: Your journey to freedom, how did he start? Where are
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  Speaker 3: you now on that journey? So people can know what
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not completely there. I'm great, and I am much
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  Speaker 1: better than who I used to be. Who I used
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  Speaker 1: to be, that was me, that was what society created,
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  Speaker 1: that was what culture created. And I mentioned earlier took healing,
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  Speaker 1: healing in a sense of me getting up and say no,
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  Speaker 1: this is not who I am. I'm not born to
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  Speaker 1: be small. I have too much inside of me to
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  Speaker 1: remain here. So there was a discontentment inside of me.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's problem. That's a problem. I had to do
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  Speaker 1: life for wickedness and stumbleness to.
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  Speaker 2: Be to break out of it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean you cannot be compliant and become
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  Speaker 1: the person you need to be, especially in this society.
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  Speaker 1: Compliance is not something you should go on to.
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  Speaker 3: So there's an attempt to culturally make you comply.
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  Speaker 2: So do you you have to? That's where you do?
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  Speaker 2: You are rasedly?
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  Speaker 1: How can you be anything that you have never met before.
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  Speaker 1: It took me to be out of here to understand
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  Speaker 1: that there was a problem.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a very special edition edition in
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  Speaker 3: the open field, and this is a very necessary edition
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  Speaker 3: of the classified. I told my people right now in Togo,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to be diving deep into something very serious,
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  Speaker 3: something I have seen across the Carnatcan countries and I
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  Speaker 3: have not been able to lay my hands on it
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  Speaker 3: and get the kind of explanation I've got into this
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  Speaker 3: concept until I started having this conversation with the both
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  Speaker 3: of them. And so we're just going to dive strain
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  Speaker 3: in you were sharing with me about and the both
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  Speaker 3: of you precisely the effect of the training that an
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  Speaker 3: average person has received. Maybe for nine Harry down too
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  Speaker 3: too good. Then I talk about my experience across different
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  Speaker 3: other African countries in respect to the fact that the
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  Speaker 3: kind of training is such that robs people of the
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  Speaker 3: identity and can make you become timid.
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  Speaker 4: You want to dive deep into that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for that question. This has been a burden
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  Speaker 1: for us for a long time, seeing that our people
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  Speaker 1: can be more, but they've not been allowed to.
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  Speaker 4: Who are did they?
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  Speaker 2: Society?
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  Speaker 1: Family, that's what makes us right in Africa. Family is
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  Speaker 1: everything for us. But in this case, instead of family
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  Speaker 1: or culture being a booster, the culture in the way
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  Speaker 1: has become the oppressor and the one that suppresses the
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  Speaker 1: gifts and the voice in our nations. Now, I tell people, nah,
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  Speaker 1: everything about African culture is bad.
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  Speaker 2: I love my culture, not everything.
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  Speaker 1: I love my culture, but there are some things that
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  Speaker 1: we've held on too that is killing us. So if
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  Speaker 1: you look at the average kid in the West, they
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  Speaker 1: ask questions their curios. When you tell that's something, they
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  Speaker 1: will ask you why. The average African parents who I
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  Speaker 1: feel threatened and disrespected because the child as why. And
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  Speaker 1: that is because of the way we were raised. We
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  Speaker 1: were raised to be quiet. We were raised.
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  Speaker 2: To say yes. But what we don't realize that.
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  Speaker 1: Every time the child says yes without questioning your opinion,
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  Speaker 1: that child is losing the ability to be analytical in
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  Speaker 1: the future. Yes, the child is losing the ability to
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  Speaker 1: even question the next person that will come to him
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  Speaker 1: or her. And we've seen that, I'll call the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: and the African nations.
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  Speaker 4: So you practically were raised like that.
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  Speaker 2: I was apposible?
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  Speaker 4: Is that a part of that kind of what she said?
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  Speaker 5: Definitely? I think for me, I didn't realize. I thought
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  Speaker 5: first I was born like this. I didn't realize it
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  Speaker 5: was how we were raised. Because since I was a
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  Speaker 5: child I'll be dressed in the corner reading books. And
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  Speaker 5: when was the shift for me? When we're aplsobly when
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  Speaker 5: you talked about we were having a conversation. We were
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  Speaker 5: having a conversation, and you talk about the effect of
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  Speaker 5: our culture on education on our kids. And I realized
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  Speaker 5: that I was doing some things with my daughter. She'll
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  Speaker 5: be asking questions and I wouldn't give her the answers.
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  Speaker 5: I would just tell her just do what I said
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  Speaker 5: and move on. And she was asking a lot of
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  Speaker 5: questions when she was a kid, and I realized that
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  Speaker 5: now she's going to be ten this year. Slowly, she
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  Speaker 5: not asking that much questions anymore. And she will come
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  Speaker 5: to me, she will want to ask me something, and
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  Speaker 5: she will say, you're going to say no anyway, and
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  Speaker 5: she just leaves. So it has That's when I started
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  Speaker 5: realizing that it was really cultural, that it was something
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  Speaker 5: that I've been accustomed to and that I was replicating.
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  Speaker 5: So now I'm really working on learning that. And when
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  Speaker 5: I was also at university abroad, I was having really
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  Speaker 5: a difficult time blending in. I was not able to Canada, yes,
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  Speaker 5: so I wasn't able to relate with people. I was
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  Speaker 5: having difficult because it's not the same type of learning.
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  Speaker 5: People speak out and they explain what the teachers said
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  Speaker 5: in their own words, but we were more were more
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  Speaker 5: learned to repeat what the tit just said. So it
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  Speaker 5: was being difficult for me, but I was not able
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  Speaker 5: to press that. So it has really been an eye
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  Speaker 5: opening conversation for me yesterday because when I was talking,
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  Speaker 5: I realized the people in front of me that were
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  Speaker 5: not to goolies were surprised. And that's when I really
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  Speaker 5: started realizing it's this is really an issue, and I
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  Speaker 5: was not aware of that in that manner, if I can.
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  Speaker 4: Deduce so much both of you are saying.
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  Speaker 3: You're saying that some of the things that we see
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  Speaker 3: in many of our African countries that the people are
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  Speaker 3: relatively calm and withdrawn, they look shy. It's not just nature.
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  Speaker 3: It is the culture of silence that has broken people. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: there are questions I want to ask both of you.
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  Speaker 3: You have been in the West for over twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: When you moved to the West, did you did you
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  Speaker 3: feel did you experience the effects of the culture resident
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  Speaker 3: Togo in America? They affect you where they fight, You
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  Speaker 3: had to fight to break free.
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  Speaker 2: There were many fights.
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  Speaker 1: Both in education in Korea in business face a lot
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  Speaker 1: of challenges had to face, many battles to be able
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  Speaker 1: to helm today.
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  Speaker 2: We were taught to be in the back of the room.
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  Speaker 4: You were taught to be in the in the back
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  Speaker 4: of the room.
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  Speaker 1: That's humility and that's respects. You don't stand in front.
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  Speaker 1: Actually you don't stand, you see it, That is humility.
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  Speaker 4: Is that gender based culture or just average?
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  Speaker 1: In Togo we still have those gender inequality, but this
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  Speaker 1: is for the average to gollies and you see living
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  Speaker 1: abroad that we don't do much with ourselves, not because
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  Speaker 1: we don't have the capacity, not because we don't have
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  Speaker 1: the potentials or the intellectual capacity, but because we were
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  Speaker 1: taught you were meant to be small, So anywhere you
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  Speaker 1: go you need to be small, and if you try
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  Speaker 1: to be big, then you become a rebel. And for
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  Speaker 1: me my family, for a long time, I was a
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  Speaker 1: rebel because nothing small was in DMB for me and
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  Speaker 1: I wanted more. So we were engineered from childhood to
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  Speaker 1: know that you are small from family. Then you start school,
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  Speaker 1: School tells you are small. Then you get into carreer
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  Speaker 1: rea tells you.
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  Speaker 2: You are small.
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  Speaker 1: So even though our names, every rename, every cultural name
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  Speaker 1: in Togo literally has V to.
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  Speaker 4: It is v I V is small way.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So if you example, if you are Jovi.
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  Speaker 2: Jovi, blav klav kokuv.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to tell me the meaning of that.
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  Speaker 5: That's someone who is born on Wednesday and the V
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  Speaker 5: is which is just referring to yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Why Because we've been engineered to be small. So from
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  Speaker 1: the day you were born, your parents may sure that
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  Speaker 1: your new identity, not the identity you came with, its small.
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  Speaker 1: So everywhere you go you remain small. Even when we
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  Speaker 1: tell people we are from Togo. The first thing if
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  Speaker 1: they know, because most people don't know about Togo, they say,
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  Speaker 1: oh that small place.
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  Speaker 2: You people are really small.
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  Speaker 4: I think people have the impression that is quite Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do I blame them, No, that is the impression that
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  Speaker 1: has been given to them because even the map is small.
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  Speaker 1: But where we're small, no, who made us small intentionally?
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  Speaker 1: From map to names, to education, our curriculum, to carriers,
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  Speaker 1: to the rooms that we can sit in, to the
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  Speaker 1: kind of businesses we can do that we can do trade, selling,
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  Speaker 1: buying and selling, but we can do global trade. So
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  Speaker 1: it's been strategically engineered the destination to go to remain small.
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  Speaker 4: You sent something quite profound yesterday that there were rules
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  Speaker 4: have taken in the organization.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't manager able or something that you did not
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  Speaker 3: take them because you felt small.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't feel I didn't feel like I was
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  Speaker 5: able to do it. I didn't feel I had the capacities.
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  Speaker 5: But I studied. I studied economics and finance, so yes,
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  Speaker 5: so I knew deep down that I had something, but
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  Speaker 5: I was not feeling like I could do the job
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  Speaker 5: and I could do the job properly. So for me,
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  Speaker 5: it has always been battling with knowing that you can
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  Speaker 5: birth something quite big, but also having low self esteem.
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  Speaker 5: And I would say for me, I really had a
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  Speaker 5: great childhood. To be honest, my parents were great with me.
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  Speaker 5: There was no time and I'm the last born, so
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  Speaker 5: I had that privilege of having to be brothers and
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  Speaker 5: and and my mother and my and my dad, and
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  Speaker 5: they have always been supportive in what I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: do at university in uh whom I had as friend,
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  Speaker 5: they will give advice and everything, but they wouldn't be pressuring.
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  Speaker 5: So I've had that change. So I feel like what
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  Speaker 5: I guess from what she's saying is that it has
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  Speaker 5: been going on now that might Engeneerine for some long
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  Speaker 5: for decades. That's why we don't even realize that it
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  Speaker 5: is something that is not supposed to be that way.
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  Speaker 5: So there were positions where I had to discuss for
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  Speaker 5: as long as two months before being able to to
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  Speaker 5: say yes. And even last year, there was supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be a recognition in a magazine towards the job that
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  Speaker 5: I was doing, UH, and I said no to the
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  Speaker 5: person it was a partner I was working with, because
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  Speaker 5: I didn't I wasn't seeing how I could be talked
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  Speaker 5: about in the magazine, so I said no to that opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: And before that, that partner was someone I was having
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  Speaker 5: freaking conversation with. And after that part, he just vanished.
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  Speaker 5: So that means people don't have time to wait for
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  Speaker 5: you to be ready, so he had other things to do.
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  Speaker 5: So and that's that that part tum precisely his I
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  Speaker 5: brought is in Europe, so he had other things to do,
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  Speaker 5: so he didn't have time for someone to be uh.
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  Speaker 5: To be to assume who you are and just take
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  Speaker 5: responsibility of the job that you are doing and say
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  Speaker 5: I've done this, and I'm I'm completely at ease with
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  Speaker 5: what I have as growth. So I think that we
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  Speaker 5: really have to do the job ourselves. We really have
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  Speaker 5: to build that confidence. And as you often say, you
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  Speaker 5: have to be prepared for when the opportunity will come,
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  Speaker 5: and for that time in particular, I was not prepared.
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  Speaker 4: So let me you know.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes, and this is one of the things I've discovered,
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  Speaker 3: when people are being engineered in a certain way to
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  Speaker 3: become certain things, oftentimes they don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Till they are face to face.
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  Speaker 3: With something else and it's occur to them maybe something
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  Speaker 3: is actually around with the way I was brought uct.
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  Speaker 3: What was that moment for you that you saw something
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  Speaker 3: else and you said, oh, no, I've been very strongly
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  Speaker 3: that environment has chiated me.
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  Speaker 4: What was that moment for you?
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  Speaker 2: For me?
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  Speaker 1: In my business in the US, the business was growing
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  Speaker 1: so fast, it was being published in very appearable magazines
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  Speaker 1: in the US, essence people who relax, reality TV shows,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Washingtonians. He was even named top fifty florists
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  Speaker 1: in the US. Many achievements, but I never claimed it
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  Speaker 1: because I never thought I was good enough to wear
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  Speaker 1: that crown. Yes, so I will have other people say
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  Speaker 1: why is it that you don't post these things? Why
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  Speaker 1: is it that you don't talk about it? Say oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay. Somebody may look at it. Actually, my people
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  Speaker 1: may look at it and say, yeah, she's humble. But
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  Speaker 1: what I was doing myself was robbing myself of many
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  Speaker 1: other opportunities this, Like my sister said, I've had so
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  Speaker 1: many great interview for publications, but in the end I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, don't don't publish it. Yes, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're taught. You can be big. You are too small
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  Speaker 1: to think big. But it got to a point when
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  Speaker 1: I realized people that I were doing better than were
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  Speaker 1: actually being me, like, what's going on? What's the issue?
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  Speaker 1: Then I realized that was a problem. Why am I
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  Speaker 1: not claiming my victories? Why am I not taking my ground?
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  Speaker 1: And for a few years I started going through a
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  Speaker 1: process of healing, healing from that identity, see that was
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  Speaker 1: given to me that I never asked for, healing from
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  Speaker 1: that smallness that convinced me that it was okay to
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  Speaker 1: remain in that place. And it's been a process, gradual process.
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  Speaker 2: A lot.
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  Speaker 1: I lost so many opportunities. Yes, I lost so many opportunities,
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  Speaker 1: especially in this Maybe things have changed and I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but we were raised as girls and your story could
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  Speaker 1: be different. We were raised as girls to think we
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  Speaker 1: only go for marriage, so we were prepared for marriage.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a sibling, one sibling of seven girls. It was
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  Speaker 1: just all about marriage. One day, you would just go.
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  Speaker 1: So my dad felt like he never had a future
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  Speaker 1: because all he gave birth to was girls, and girls
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  Speaker 1: could never become anything small again, so everybody was being
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  Speaker 1: raised to become a wife one day and to have children.
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  Speaker 1: But you never think at the time that you would
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  Speaker 1: never become anything big, their leader or someone that imparts of.
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  Speaker 2: Their lives small.
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  Speaker 1: It was a closure that was prepared for us.
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  Speaker 5: I would say I had more chance. I had really
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  Speaker 5: more chance because when I was going to university. I
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  Speaker 5: remember at some time I was starting a relation ship
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  Speaker 5: with my now husband, and my dad was saying it
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  Speaker 5: was just saying, I didn't send you over there, you
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  Speaker 5: know for relationships, I send you there to study. So
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  Speaker 5: he has always been big on education first. So for
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  Speaker 5: me that that was a chance because I had more
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  Speaker 5: chance to be honest, and really it's sad, but what
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  Speaker 5: she just said, I would say, is the reality of
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  Speaker 5: many many girls I was saving across Africa and also
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  Speaker 5: in Togo.
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  Speaker 3: When you look her on your worker on to go, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you see the same problems and people. To be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I think definitely everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: Everywhere, people can be in the same spot for ten
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  Speaker 5: years and they won't even move.
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  Speaker 4: Really, yes, is because they are comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. I would say this that to add a little
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  Speaker 2: bit to what you said.
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  Speaker 1: My dad once told us he put us in the
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  Speaker 1: best school in Togo. He worked hard to make sure
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  Speaker 1: he put us in the best schools. But one thing
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  Speaker 1: you always say, I'm doing it so when you fail,
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  Speaker 1: people don't say is because I didn't do it. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so he put us in the best school. I had
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  Speaker 1: the best classmates I need. Yeah, he put us in
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  Speaker 1: the best schools. But it was for so that people
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  Speaker 1: don't say because they were girls. You know, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything. He did need to shield himself, so he
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  Speaker 1: make sure he had education. But the education was because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want backlash. And my dad, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: stayed in the same position for thirty years.
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  Speaker 2: He never went up. My mom tried everything in his mind.
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  Speaker 1: He has so many promotion opportunities but he never took
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  Speaker 1: them because he believes in his family they should not
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  Speaker 1: be that big. And this is the thing also, my
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  Speaker 1: uncle's that actually tried. In my family, my dad's side,
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  Speaker 1: we have great medical daughters, great government officials. But then
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  Speaker 1: they go and it's like something made sure they came back.
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  Speaker 3: What you're describing as the culture of basic. Yes, you
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  Speaker 3: can have a fantastic career. Yes, you can have a
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  Speaker 3: fantastic job.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Or when you have the culture of in basic, your
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  Speaker 3: limits will always be within the confines of that career.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and see for more this job.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like a predictable life.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, there's a predictable future.
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  Speaker 3: But the problem is that you can't become more than
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  Speaker 4: And that's the culture here.
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  Speaker 2: Then you buy half.
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  Speaker 1: A plot that is big half a plot, then you
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  Speaker 1: So the youth has been engineered to think that building
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  Speaker 1: having your children in private.
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  Speaker 2: That's been basic.
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  Speaker 1: But it's because they never saw their fathers do better.
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  Speaker 4: I know you've spoken from your heart. Let's get towards
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  Speaker 4: the solution to some of the problems you've mentioned. How
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  Speaker 4: did you.
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  Speaker 3: Your journey to freedom? How did you start? Where are
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: you now on that journey so people can know what
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not completely there. I'm I'm great, and I am
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  Speaker 1: much better than who I used to be. Who I
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  Speaker 1: used to be, that was me, that was what society created,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that was what culture created. And I mentioned earlier, took healing,
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  Speaker 1: healing in a sense of me getting up and say.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is not who I am.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not born to be small. I have too much
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  Speaker 1: inside of me to remain here. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: discontentment inside of me. Now that's problem. That's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: I had to do life for wickedness and stumbleness to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: be able to break out of it. You cannot be
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  Speaker 1: compliant and become a person you need to be, especially
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in this society. Compliance it's not something you should hold
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  Speaker 1: on too.
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  Speaker 4: So there's an attempt to culturally make you complie of
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  Speaker 4: do you have to.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you who you were rased to be? How
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  Speaker 1: can you be anything that you have never met before?
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  Speaker 1: It took me to be out of here to understand
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  Speaker 1: that there was a problem. Yeah, and it goes from
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: childhood to adulthood, to marriage to every sphere of your life.
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  Speaker 2: It took me to be out of here to understand.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: But again, if all of us have to go out
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  Speaker 2: to find our identity, who will be left.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That's why we that have gone through the journey, or
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: maybe still going through the journey, but that have broken through,
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  Speaker 1: we want to help others break through.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And it's not gonna be fun. It's not a smooth journey.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It is a journey that will.
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  Speaker 1: Even create rejection, definitely rejection, hm, reproach, shame. But this
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  Speaker 1: is a sacrifice we are willing to make to make
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  Speaker 1: sure we become who who were supposed to be.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, for me, I thought my journey started fifteen years ago.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Fifteen years ago, I thought you fifteen years.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I thought, because fifteen years ago. I realized when I
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: was growing up that you couldn't satisfy everyone because we
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: were always expected to say yes and to please every
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: other people. And I started having issues with people and
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: with family, and at some point I understood you couldn't
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  Speaker 5: please everyone no matter what you do. There will always
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: be people that you cannot meet their needs. So what
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I decided from and that there was also the difficulties
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  Speaker 5: of living abroad without your family. So what I decided
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: at that time was that everything now will be about me,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: about my nuclear family, and about the small group of
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: friends that I had, and then all the rest was
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: not my problem. So I thought that was the way.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean by I thought that I understood something,
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  Speaker 5: but it was just now, and I will say it
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  Speaker 5: from last year. I'm now understanding that that's not the way,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: that there needs to be more to it, that that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: not My healing process hasn't even started because I didn't
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: even know I had wounds I had to heal from.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: So I think now for me it's just starting. And
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: why it's important for me, it's also because of my children,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: because I don't want them to to go through life
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: not knowing there's more to it. So for me, I'm
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: just starting the journey. I'm not even they yet at all.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Now, one of the things I understand is that the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: culture that surpresses people, particularly women, also enables wakmen. And
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: you find issues of domestic abuse and all that. Hope
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  Speaker 3: that's not something around this part of the world.
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  Speaker 2: That's the average life.
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  Speaker 4: You want to give me a graphical definition of description
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: of what that looks like.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: The greatness of women or the bordeness of women is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: considered a threat instead of a true that they can't use.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: So you have to respect your husband and oh no,
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  Speaker 1: your husband.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with that. But a male
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  Speaker 1: that fails, they are only strong only after the female
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  Speaker 1: is weak. It's a failure.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, that's to someone. It's a feeling.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: What is society with that? Women? After you break over
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  Speaker 2: the women, what is the left of you? Women? Youth?
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Men?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, but the women and the youth drive society drive
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: a nation.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So if you suppress your women, what is the left
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of them? To just give you one example for the
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: average to golees. When you go through difficulties in your marriage.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You are not allowed to talk about it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Are you serious? Is not the counselor.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe the younger generation, we were brought up to keep
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: it in. You're woman, you can take it, so you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: take it all in. So we see a lot of
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: women that are broken from trauma, from wounds.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Even when the man is beating the woman.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: When the man is beating the woman, you can't even
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: go to your parents if you do pack your bags.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Let me tell your funny story.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: When we're younger, my dad, my mom, my mom, she
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: was very industrious, she wanted so much, so she will
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: tell my dad, I'm tired of renting. I want to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: build our own home. Have the money, why can I build?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And my dad will say, just in case our daughters
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: have issues in their marriage and come home, they will
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have a place. So for us not to have a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: place for them, let's keep renting. Yes, let's keep renting
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: so that when they go through issues and violence in
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: their marriage, they don't come back.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: What happens to them?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Do you stay?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And we've seen many die, We've seen many beating to death,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: We've seen many destroyed, sicknesses, blunts, you know, beating, beating
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: every day. But you just okay, maybe not friends, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: family is supposedly a safe place, but you can't even
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: go back.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So most of the people women you've.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Seen talking, they're broken, they're traumatized, they're going through it,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: but they can talk about it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: And something happens when an abuse since that the girl
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: has nowhere to go back.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's their strength, and that's what happens. I was a victim,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: that's what happens.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: You can run where you going. It's a shame to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: your family for you to come back, so you stay
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: until it happens. Then we say, ah, let's cover it
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: up and tell people another story, but will never help
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  Speaker 1: you when it comes to that, because we have to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: protend the name of the family, not your marriage.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: You're a woman. I've had someone told me one day,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you don't enjoy marriage.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: You enjoy it. Hope. That's not in church, m h.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Most of them. Most of the broken women are in
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: church crying every day. So it is in church. It
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: is in church.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Do you feel there's something the church can do to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: also stop some of these things in respect to the
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: way the men are.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: For me, I think it has to start with educating
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: our boys, because we are too big on educating the girls,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: learn them how to cook, learn them how to become,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: how to be responsible and everything, and not enough focused
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: on the boys. I think it's also responsibilities from every
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: other person to do that. But there has to be
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: a mind set, there has to be a mind reset
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: because it has been going on for so.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Long now that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Most of it we don't even most of the person
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: don't even realize that it is not the norm, that
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: it is not normal. So for me, we don't have
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: actually right now in the church what needs to be
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: there for these women to be protected. Unfortunately, you asked
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: what is the church?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It is the people, It's not the building. Can a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: broken church help broken people?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Ah? If the people inside are broken, can they help
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: a broken nation?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: They can't. True, so we hide it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even think there are structures in the church
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to help people. What we do is when the issue
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: if the woman or even men can be abused, because
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: some some tobols can be powerful, but there are no
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: structures or safe place for these victims to even voice
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it out. If they're board enough to voice it out,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: what they will do is pray. The first advice is
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: keep it to yourself. Let's keep praying. How can someone
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that has been beaten, abused be praying when the simple
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: fix is for you to help them fix it or
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: shield them from the trouble from the violence. So the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: church does not even think where we say God is
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: divorced and all those things. So here we are the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: people are suffering. But to protect our daughterne that we
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: meet that and we believe that's holiness, we keep our
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: women suffering. These are the same women that are serving
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in the church. These are the same women that are
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: doing everything, including the first ladies.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Everybody going to abuse.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: First lady of a nation, whether in the government, whether
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in state, they suffer more than any other women. Emotional abuse,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: domestic abuse, call it. You may think the dress nice,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the empower position of power, and but you don't know
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the abuse, because there will always be problem when you
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: have broken men. When you are broken men in power
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and authority, women will suffer, the youth will suffer.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: It's something you're saying that's very concerning.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: If we can look at the nation, we can say
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: that is a broken leader leading to people with false
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: with creative brutality.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: We can't then deduce that the first victim of this
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: force is the wife. Absolutely and a few men. Of
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: those women are bullied to silence you want to say something.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Bullied is an understatement. It is taken from you. If
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you are bullied, you can try again and be bullied again.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Your voice is retrieved for life. And these are women
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that we look up to, So when you see them,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: why not do the same thing. So when your husband
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: does it to you, isn't know anyway, So our voices
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: are taken. We are not bullied. We're dead. Dead body
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is walking around mm hmm, dead wounds, sad.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: It's sad. Uh, it's sad. And once again, I think
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I've had mercy. God has been merciful for me, ah
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: because in my case, and that's speaking just for me
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: now I understand, we know we are speaking more about
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: average And once again, in my there are a few
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: here and their exceptions. And in my case, I've not
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: experienced domestic abuse, to be honest, not once. And my
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: husband has been trading a way where even when you're
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: having an issue, no one is allowed to raise his
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: voice at the other person. So that's and that one
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: has been really difficult for me because I would say
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: that not having been in a confrontational space before, when
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: I'm stressed or when I have my voice just goes up.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: And I have that, and my one of my brothers
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: has that too, so when it gets to that, he
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: doesn't respond. So he has been teaching me the hard way.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: And there was a time where I would just be
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: avoiding communication and it doesn't help at all. And here
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: we don't. You were asking about speaking to people when
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: you're having issues. We don't believe in that. When going
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: to someone that is specialized psychologue to to to explain
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: your concerns, a therapist, we are not well, I will
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  Speaker 5: say aloud, we.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Here are you saying there another therapist too?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: They are, but.
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  Speaker 5: People think it is I don't know if the word
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  Speaker 5: is demeaning, but we've had big issues where you have
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: to uh go and they will say. You have your
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: family if there's something that you want to talk about,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: but the family can not. The family isn't specialized. The
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: family will just project their own experience from to you.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: The family it is. It can never And when you
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: go to family, you know you will never say the truth,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: the one hundred percent truth story. It will always be
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: a part because you cannot say everything because at the
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: end of the day. There are some things that when
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: you say, the family will never forget, but you, you
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: will have moved on as a spouse. So we don't
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: believe even going to someone to talk as a therapiece.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: We don't do that here.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And most of the time when you go to family,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the woman is the one that is.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: That every most of the time, no matter how bad
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: it is, the woman is to be blamed because she's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to carry the burden and hold the home together.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, but how can a broken bucket or buckets
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  Speaker 2: with a whole hold water.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: It will leakh. Families are licking, from families to the church.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: The church is licking. Once the church is licking, society
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: is leaking. Then it goes to the top. We are
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: all licked.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: So one of the first things anyone will observe about
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you your color, your signature.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's the first.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Putting this side by side with some of the things
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  Speaker 3: you described about the culture here, is that a symbol
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: of resistance, a symbol of the fact that you have
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: to fight and break through.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: I want to know what it is.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I never thought about it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk about it now.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I was always a rebel, Oh God, and that from
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: a voice, to my look, to the way I appear,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: everything about it is intentional because I intentionally chose not
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to be put in a box. I don't want to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: be put in a box of culture. One thing you
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: notice in Togo most women dress the same way and Kara,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: but it is sowed a certain way, even in offices
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  Speaker 1: and everywhere homes.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I feel the different between tog and not Korea is
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: the fact that you guys can move around.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: You can say that again, so for me, all the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: women look the same. I remember when I turned ten,
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  Speaker 1: my mother started buy me and Kara to dress like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a woman. I was young, Why I should like dress
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like a woman. So we always go to the tailor
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and instead of sewing what everybody is expected to wear,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I'll go to those white people catalog. At the time,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: it was like Korean catlog and I'll flip through. I'll
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: find a page and I'll see it, and I'll take
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it to the tailor and I say, so mine like this.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: So Christmas Day I look different from everybody, and my
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: mom be so upset. But she grew to the point
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: to understand this one it's not normal. And I don't
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: want to be normal, and this look may not be
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: for everybody, but this look is to tell someone you
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: don't have to be who they say you should be.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Be you. There is a uniqueness about you, and that
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  Speaker 1: uniqueness I carry everywhere and.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Anywhere I go they notice me and I'm not shy anymore.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: That's not difficult for me.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of people that want to
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: look like me now because they see it and it's beautiful.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But they wouldn't have thought it, but once they saw it,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, then I can be like this. So
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: my whole goal is to michere. Not every woman has
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: to look the same, this uniform uniform, my dear, it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: killing our uniqueness.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: It's killing our identity, and we need to be ourselves.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Wow. Well, amazing, amazing, amazing.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: It's been such a brilliant conversation. And one of the
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: things I'm taken from here is that oftentimes when we
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: travel across African nations there is a conclusion but this
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: people I come easy going.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: And all that that has to do with being subdued
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: when you look closer. While it can be.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Something beautiful as a good virtue, patience calmness. It can
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: also be a pointer out the fact that something might
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: be killing the might and the people.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, And I think also.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: That this has been the genesis of xenophobic issues we
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: have across Africa because other people.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Come, particularly Nigeria, who are not as calm as that.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: We look for opportunities and we just eat it on
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: the road, and you know, you see that happening at
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: cross places, and then the resistance is now built against
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: our own people, when for in fact, we can just
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: learn from each other, you know.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in Togo you can move almost at any point.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: The security, yes, same as Ghana. Everywhere safe, which is good.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Soon we'll be able to say the same for Nigeria.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Soon.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: We look forward to it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: It will happen. It will happen soon, you know. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I'm so intrigued because I'm speaking to a generation of
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Togolis that are redefined in the norm. We are having
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: this conversation being streamed from all over the world, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: the name Togo will be in the mouth of people
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: they don't as we have this conversation. What much more
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: important is the fact that you went to Canada came
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: back home to redefine things you were in America, came
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: back home to redefine things. Maybe this might be the
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: genesis of seeing Africans coming back to say it's time
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to rebuild Africa.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: I need to be done by Africans.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: So I want to thank you for having this conversation
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: with you. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: thank God, bless you. Thank you.