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Insert Coin: Xbox Cloud Gaming Hour Limits & Tariff Refunds Kept · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  [music] multiple nerdgasm.
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  >> All right, I'm going to apologize now. I'm a little hung over, so I may not be
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  super heavy tonight. We'll see how we go. >> All right, I've been partying.
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  >> I just drank far too much. I wasn't really partying. I don't know why I do
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  it. [laughter] >> I'm fine drinking by myself. You put me
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  with a lot of people and I have to drink more. >> I see. >> I drink by myself.
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  >> Yeah. I mean, that's pretty normal. When you drink socially, you drink more, right?
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  >> Yeah. >> Isn't that when to stop when I'm drinking by myself? >> Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> I stop way way earlier. >> Yeah. Well, >> that's right.
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  >> That's cuz you need to be able to still hold your Xbox controller. H
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  cuz now I've just lost a day of Xbox. >> I don't know. [clears throat] You've
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  been sick. You've been drunk. What are you doing, mate?
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  >> I don't know. What am I doing with my life? >> Who knows? Well, what's been happening
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  this week? Anything interesting? >> Um, I did read one article that really annoyed me.
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  >> Go on then. >> It's me being upset also at Sony, but
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  also Microsoft. >> Oh, excellent. So remember you had this whole little
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  thing with tariffs of being on everything. >> Well, I I didn't I mean I I I dealt with
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  it, but I didn't you know don't don't make it sound like it was my fault,
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  mate. I had nothing to do >> when the went to court and the judge said, "Look, not legal."
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  >> Yeah. No, you're not do that. Yeah. >> And they refunded all the money. >> Mhm.
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  >> To the companies. >> Mhm. And the companies are going, "Well,
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  thank you, but we don't think we should have to pass that along to people who
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  paid us that money." >> Thanks. >> And I just
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  >> Yeah, I don't like their argument. [gasps and sighs]
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  >> I mean, the argument is seem Let me guess, right, their argument is because
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  this I mean this is true. >> You agreed to pay that much.
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  >> Yeah, you were happy to pay that. So >> yeah, >> what's the problem?
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  >> I mean, that was that Yeah, there that was the price and you paid the price. I
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  mean, I I don't like it either. I feel like that's very like
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  >> it's on the nose because it's like, you know, come on. We're all Everybody was
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  talking about how it was [ __ ] and no one wanted to pay it. No, but
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  >> you can't pretend it was just like normal. But >> I also like the fact it's also to
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  >> and people are willing to pay this amount, are they? Well, they did.
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  >> So, why don't we just >> leave the price there for a bit? >> Yeah.
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  >> Yeah. I know. I feel like it's like >> it's a gesture of goodwill. They could
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  refund it and I think it would would do a lot for them, but I also think I mean,
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  yes, legally, >> yeah, >> if you want they probably don't have to
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  because yes, they they said tariffs here, the price of X is 10 bucks more or
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  whatever. Yeah, you paid the 10 more and then the tariffs were like, "Well,
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  okay." But that was the price at the time. >> Yeah. We didn't have an option.
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  >> Yeah. So, I don't know. >> Would you have preferred us to not buy
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  your product during that period? >> No, they wouldn't, but you you'd still
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  have the money if you didn't. [laughter] >> Yeah. I just really think it' just be
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  sort of a pretty great gesture to go, look, we're going to do something with it.
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  >> I agree. I think it's Yeah, I think it's a bit shitty, but I also can see I mean
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  their argument is not wrong. >> No, >> but it's just I just don't like it. >> Yeah,
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  >> you know. Yeah. >> So, that's why I'm upset even with Microsoft.
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  >> Microsoft needs the money apparently. Yes. So, yeah, they're they're scraping
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  things back together. >> I do like in this article they do talk
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  about like some smaller places that are No, we're we're refunding and doing all
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  this. No, you're doing that because that's good marketing for you now. >> Yes.
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  >> Yes. They need the goodwill. >> Like [clears throat] you're a small
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  company, so this looks great. They're a big company.
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  >> You're still going to buy their product. >> Yes. Yeah. You're not going to stop
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  buying Xbox games over even though it annoys you. >> No. >> Yeah.
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  >> But with Arctic, they might get a few more people going to them now because
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  they go, "Look, we gave the money back." Yeah. >> So, you get more people looking into
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  that. So, yeah, it's great marketing. >> Nintendo. Was Nintendo going to or not going to?
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  >> Nintendo. Um >> I think not going to, right? Tariff, there's a lawsuit.
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  >> Yeah, they're they're going um plaintiffs after court to invent. Uh
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  they're saying Yeah. same thing like they want to dismiss it.
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  >> Yeah. Nintendo was was early at uh saying, "What money?" >> Yeah. [laughter]
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  >> What are you talking about? >> What What extra? That's just how much the thing cost.
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  >> Yeah. Don't look over there at that truck backing up with the money from
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  that that says love from Trump on it. >> Yeah. Which is also what it sort of
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  seems some people are also saying. It looks like like Trump did all this and
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  then the all these businesses are getting a kickback.
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  >> I'm I'd be very surprised if he did that on purpose. [laughter] >> I mean,
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  >> you don't think he thought that far ahead? I know people will claim that that he
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  does things like that. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I would be shocked. [laughter] I
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  would be shocked given everything he said about what the tariffs were for and
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  all that. And we talked about that. I already know. I know. We don't have to go over it.
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  >> Like the way he sold them to the public was businesses were going to pay more
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  and that's where it was going to stop. >> Yeah. So, I would say this is not this
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  is extra bad. >> Yeah. >> Oh, look. Well, not from the businesses,
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  I suppose. I don't know, man. [ __ ] it. I don't know what I don't know what he's
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  doing. I [laughter] don't know what he's doing. >> Well, anyway, there's that.
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  >> I um did I send you that can I did I sent you that picture of the can of
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  Mountain Dew. I said Trump's at it again cuz I got a can of Mountain Dew
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  >> today because I've not looked. >> Have a look. Have a look at my um my
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  Mountain Dew from yesterday. He's at it again.
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  I got it out of the fridge and I was like I was like what the [ __ ] he to be
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  clear that's not [laughter] >> I think it's just a Fourth of July
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  >> thing but it's American dew and I was
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  like what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ]
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  >> Oh god yes right Ontario. >> Uh I've never heard of it. Never heard
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  of it Luke. I think you'll find it's called Lake America.
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  >> It wasn't named after Ontario. >> [laughter]
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  >> Don't worry about it. Sorry. Do Do you think he knows that, Luke? [laughter]
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  Don't worry about it. Um, in other Xbox news that people are
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  annoyed about, >> and this is weird,
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  uh, Microsoft have announced that Xbox cloud gaming, which is, you know, where
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  you can play your games on their servers, which we've said is the future
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  and we think is a good idea and I've used it and it works pretty well,
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  >> except they've now imposed these monthly limits and I was like, "Oh, okay, that
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  makes sense." But then I look at what the limits are and I'm like, "What the fuck?" That's
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  >> So if you're a Game Pass Ultimate subscriber, aka the top tier,
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  >> 15 hours a month, >> nothing. >> What are you talking about?
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  >> Like I don't need more than that, but like >> no
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  >> people who That's like half an hour a day. >> Yeah.
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  >> Like there are people who I honestly thought that they were
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  >> pivoting themselves to be look everything's going online. We're That's
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  what it looked like in front of it and now it seems like no, we're going backwards.
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  >> It's so odd. Premium 10 bucks an hour and then essential f sorry 10 hours a month.
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  >> Yep. >> Uh and then essential five hours a month. Five hours a month. That's like
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  nothing. And they This is This is a company that makes the [ __ ] games. They know like
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  >> if you play video games I I don't get much time to play. I play more than five
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  hours a month. >> I must do. >> Well, yeah. You'd have to. But yeah,
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  that's not a lot. And now, but you can buy more, but I don't know how much.
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  >> Like, no one wants to do that. Is this Is this a money grab?
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  >> I I think it is. I don't think cuz they've got the numbers. So,
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  >> and how do you go from >> stream as much as you want to now 5
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  hours is all you get >> from like this is the future so we're
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  going to embrace it and it's been like you know available to by the way you can
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  only use it a little bit like why >> I thought you were encouraging trying to
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  encourage people to do this >> I can understand the cost of it is
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  probably they were probably eating a lot of the cost at the start >> sure
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  >> and I think they've I realize it's not viable to continue that way, but this
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  isn't going to work. >> So, how much do my GeForce uh what is it
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  called? Cloud
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  >> uh monthly limit. What is my monthly 100
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  >> 100 hours like? >> And how much is that?
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  >> It is 200 bucks a year. >> Okay. >> Something like that.
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  >> Yep. Uh, I got a discount at um,
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  4th of July maybe. I paid like half paid like 100 bucks.
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  >> If Game Pass Ultimate was 100 hours a month, that would be making more sense.
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  >> I I wouldn't I'd be like, "Okay, fair." And I think less people would complain.
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  I think 15 is just like insane. Like it's ridiculous. Game Pass Ultimate are
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  the in theory your >> they should be their the top tier
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  customers in theory, right? That's what that's what they want people buying.
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  Game Pass Ultimate 15 hours. Like what the [ __ ]
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  >> Like I thought you wanted people to use this. >> Yeah.
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  >> Like this basically if if I was gonna play if I was like, "Okay, I want to
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  play Xbox. I don't have an Xbox. I want to play just on the cloud. All right.
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  What can I do?" Like you can't It's not viable. >> It's not viable anymore. And I think
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  it'll turn people off. >> Yes. >> Playing like, "Oh, that's no good." >> Yeah.
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  >> I can't I can't do it. Yeah. >> It's not enough hours, so I'll just go
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  back to Xbox or I won't play at all. And I don't know change. This is going to change.
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  >> It's Yeah, I think this is insane. I I I don't I just don't understand where this
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  came from. >> Um I don't know if Sony has an
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  equivalent to this. The cloud thing. I think they do. I've not used it. Um Sony
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  Cloud Gaming. Do they have a thing? Yes, they do. Sony's cloud gaming allows
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  PlayStation Plus members to stream. Yeah, but there's no limit. no limit
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  like it was. So >> yeah, you just >> Is Sony going to start doing it soon as well?
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  >> Maybe you just have to have a a PlayStation Plus membership like it used
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  to be with M with Xbox >> Microsoft. Yeah, you pay your monthly
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  fee and this was a benefit of it. >> In a blog post, Microsoft said it was
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  making the changes because the cost of providing cloud gaming has grown as more
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  people use it and play for longer. Yeah, of course. But
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  >> you But that's what you want.
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  >> Yeah. >> I mean, I guess it's tough. Like, if
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  they're being realistic and this is what this is really what all they can afford
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  to offer, [ __ ] All right. I guess this is not the future yet. >> No.
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  >> Like, and then maybe this is good because it is it is a reality check. Maybe that like
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  >> No, this isn't the future yet. this isn't viable as
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  >> like yeah we've yeah with everything with like the AI building everything and
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  taking up all the resources probably costing them a lot of resources to
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  >> money time and they've just yeah this is maybe the first effects we're seeing of
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  this bubble starting to burst >> well I yeah because I think the AI thing
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  is is going to be similar like the the base plans of of the AI you know like
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  you know your $20 a month chatgbt or claude >> like those have to go away at some point.
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  >> Yes. >> There's not >> Yeah. >> maintainable. Like these companies are
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  [ __ ] burning cash. >> Like the $20 is basically you're paying
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  so they can sort of learn off you at the same time. Like there's a benefit that
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  they're getting at the start, but towards the end >> Yeah. But like
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  >> that $3 that's going away. There's no way. >> Like they are not making any money off
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  that. No. >> Like quite the opposite. >> And the amount of money that they're spending.
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  >> Uhhuh. So maybe Yeah, you're right. and and and driving the cost of all the
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  hardware up and and so yeah, I mean this is all unsustainable.
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  >> Well, that's why like all the like the RAM places are going, look, we're not
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  going to start making more factories or anything cuz
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  >> we in 3 years by the time we set it up. >> Yeah. >> You're all out of business.
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  >> There's no guarantee that that any of these people buying it will be around by
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  the time they get this new factory up. Yeah, it's true. [sighs and gasps]
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  >> When do we get super cheap RAM again? >> Maybe. Yeah, I know. Someone put uh the
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  I'm glad I don't need any I don't particularly need any storage at the
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  moment which is good. I'm glad that I >> like for example my when I bought my new MacBook
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  I say new. When did I buy this? Like it's been a few years now. >> I was like
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  >> I'm going to be an idiot and I'm going to get a 4 terbte SSD in it.
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  >> It's a Mac. So I paid up out the [laughter] ass for it because for some
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  reason Apple's just like you know what [ __ ] you. [laughter] they were already like
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  >> for some reason Apple's SSDs are just three times the cost of anyone else's.
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  >> It's ridiculous. There's no justification for it except it's just
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  whatever. Um so but I did I got 4 TB so I'm good like on hard drive space in my
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  laptop. Uh I'm good. You know, my server's got uh if I'm more sensible about what I
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  pack up pack back up onto it instead of just being like [ __ ] it just put
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  everything on there. I've got tons of room like I don't need anything. But >> yeah,
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  >> that will eventually run out. And then somebody said memory uh camera memory
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  cards, too. I've got >> I bought >> I've got three camera cards that I could
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  swap between if I need to. >> Y but if I needed to buy a new one, >> man, it's up as well.
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  >> It's like a dollar a gigabyte at the moment. Like 128 gigabyte SSD card is
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  like $128. It's [ __ ] ridiculous. >> You're just buying them for fun at some
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  point. I swear to God, they were like they were like 30 or 40 bucks each first
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  time and it's like far out. >> That's a It's weird that that's gone up in price.
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  >> Yeah. >> I didn't think that would be impacted.
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  >> Everything, mate. And uh as we've said before, the
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  prediction is that next year it's going to get worse before it gets better
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  because yes, so a lot of this stuff is going to have to change or go away or
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  whatever, but not yet. It's going to get worse first. It's going to get worse and
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  then it's going to come time to repay some of these loans
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  >> because as we said the the RAM manufacturers are hesitant to build new
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  factories to increase production because they think this bubble's going to burst
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  and then they're going to have built all these factories and then all the
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  business is going to disappear overnight >> and it's not like they can like
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  >> build in a few months like it costs [ __ ] money to build it and they're
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  making a lot of money right now but are they still gonna you know Yeah.
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  >> So, yes, it's just going to get worse in until either it does burst or it just
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  doesn't and eventually the RAM companies will be like, "Well, I guess we better
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  build some more shit." >> Well, yeah. Camera memory cards are stupidly expensive.
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  >> Yeah. And strangely, the advice I think still
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  is if you need something, buy it now. Do not wait. >> It's going to get worse.
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  >> Exactly. Unless you think you're not going to need it for 2 or 3 years, like
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  as strange as it may sound, now is a still a good better time to buy.
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  >> I'll stick with what I've got and I'll just change cards at the moment. I think
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  I can survive with that. It's not like I use my camera that often.
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  >> No, but even a computer, if you need a computer, people, a lot of people out
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  there might be thinking, "Oh, wait. It depends. It depends. You might have to
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  wait a long time. You might have to wait at least another year or two." >> Yeah.
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  >> Before anything changes. The only good thing is is computers last
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  longer than they used to. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> When we were growing up, it was like
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  every six months you needed to upgrade something to get the next game to work. >> Yeah.
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  >> That was a horrible time. >> Yeah. I bought this Mac in November 2023
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  according to the specs here. So that's what almost almost three years ago now. >> Yeah.
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  >> Uh I mean I have no reason to to upgrade it. >> No, >> it's it's perfectly fine.
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  >> Yep. and my phone too. Well, my phone is my camera at the moment, but
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  >> I have no reason to get a new phone. So, >> I guess I'm okay for now. >> For now,
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  >> I'm lucky in that regard. I know there are people who
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  >> who are coming to the end of their >> Yeah. >> life cycle and
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  >> buy on their on their old computer. And then I hate to say it, now might be a
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  good time even though it doesn't seem like it because next year >> is worse time. Yeah.
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  >> Um yeah, so cloud gaming
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  >> maybe not. >> Uh in other game news, what do we got
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  here? Um oh, the uh the Witcher. >> I saw this as well.
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  >> A lot of good Witcher stuff going on. and >> but also one bad one.
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  >> It's not bad as such because I didn't know this was even happening. And so
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  it's good news in that this is this is a thing that is happening. It's just on hold.
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  >> The Witcher aka the first game >> is being remade
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  >> by the City Project Red. >> Yes. Um, >> which I'm hoping that it's being
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  completely remade and they're making it to be more like Witcher 3 because I would imagine
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  >> Witcher is hard. [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. I never finished it. I got
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  very close to the end, which I know because I watched a playthrough of the
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  end because I was like, I just need to know what happens. >> Yeah.
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  >> Um, and it was clunky. >> Yeah,
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  >> I really enjoyed it. It's very good. Like there's things about it that are
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  just great that that they even abandoned later. Um like the way that in in the first
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  Witcher game, uh this is in the second one a bit too. It just kind of went away
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  in the third one. Um when you're going to battle a creature,
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  like if you get hired, you know, there's not not just Well, even your average
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  drowners and whatnot, you you you have to figure out what their weaknesses are first.
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  >> Yes. Yep. And then put that oil on your blade and
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  >> Exactly. So, in the first Witcher one, you got to get books and you've got to
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  read the books. You got to figure things out. >> Did it hold your hand like The Witcher 3
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  did like he might want this in in in a lot of ways it doesn't hold your hand.
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  It's basically like [laughter] [ __ ] you, figure it out. So, um, and
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  then there's also that very funny thing. This is my favorite thing about it,
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  whereas if you're rude to people, they just won't talk to you anymore. And in
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  particular, the first village you go to, there's a dwarf who's the blacksmith.
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  And if you make fun of him for being a dwarf, he literally says, "Fuck off,
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  cunt." And he won't talk to you ever again. And then you can't talk to a
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  blacksmith until you progress to the next [ __ ] chapter in the game. >> So beware.
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  >> And Yeah. And you really want to upgrade your weapons in that [laughter] game.
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  >> Too bad you're racist. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But no. Yeah. It's sort of a shame
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  it's on hold, but >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's on hold. They can
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  focus on Witcher 4 and new expansion stuff. Yeah. Um, but >> that's fair.
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  >> Yeah. But it does confirm that it is happening, which is good news cuz
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  >> I think everybody said >> The Witcher could do with it, the first
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  one, cuz it's a great game, great story. >> It is. >> Uh, and a lot of people haven't
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  experienced it because once you go back to it from Witcher 2, Wer 3, and even
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  Witcher 2. >> Yeah. You can't you can't go back. And it's
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  really a shame because a lot of people don't get to if you would Yeah. If
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  someone's going to play that now after playing like The Witcher 3 for their first game.
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  >> Yeah. >> No, no. Wouldn't work. >> No. No. No. It's Yeah. It's very different.
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  >> It's built on It's a modified version of I think the Neverwinter Nights engine.
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  >> Oh, wow. >> It's Yeah, it's very clunky and old at this point.
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  >> Yeah. Well, I look forward to see when it comes out
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  >> again. the story in it so good. Like I really enjoyed it.
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  And it also um
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  there's plot points in it where it's very non I guess it doesn't hold your
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  hand in the plot either. >> There are certain things about it that
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  you're just kind of left like it'll present you with the facts. >> Yeah.
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  >> But it doesn't kind of put it together for you.
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  >> Nothing here way point go here. Yeah,
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  it's like you need to be following the story and then you'll at the end you'll
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  understand what happened but if you don't do that you'll be like okay like
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  >> yeah it's not yeah as as we said like it does not hold your hand you it does not
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  go do this do that >> same with movies I think >> you can't you couldn't sit down a casual
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  player couldn't play the game >> you need to commit
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  >> I think it's like movie some not all movies these days but a lot of movies
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  these days you've got somebody there who just explains the plot to you at certain
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  points just in case. Just in case you're not putting these pieces together
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  yourself. Yeah. Yeah. The first game doesn't have that. >> No. >> Yeah.
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  >> You need to if you don't read that piece of paper in your infantry, you're going
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  to be very confused about what the [ __ ] is going on.
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  So anyway, we get that at some point. >> Yeah. But we get the DLC
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  for which this year, I think, >> and the remaster. I can't believe
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  there's a [ __ ] remaster. So interesting. >> So nice of them.
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  >> Yeah. [gasps] Speaking of um remasters,
• 22:55
  uh this one not so nice. Apparently there is a re-release of James Pond.
• 23:00
  Remember that game? >> Yes. >> So I saw an article about this a few
• 23:06
  weeks ago. Uh I don't think we talked about it, but some company I think it
• 23:11
  was on Kickstarter. Um there's a I think or is it No, it's just happening I think.
• 23:16
  >> Okay. >> It even got crowdfunded. It's a remake
• 23:20
  remaster remake of um the of the James Pond games. It's called
• 23:25
  James Pond Legacy: The Pond is Not Enough collection and it's they put a
• 23:31
  trailer and some concept art out and it's all very AI looking.
• 23:37
  >> Oh. >> And uh they said no. No, it's not. And
• 23:43
  then they released a bunch of um progress shots of the art and stuff like
• 23:48
  that that people were like, >> "No, you've just made in between things
• 23:54
  of the original art from the, you know, the old old Amigga version or whatever
• 24:00
  and the AI thing you made and they just cut like it's No, it's not real. Um
• 24:06
  >> Oh god. Yeah. I'm looking at the the timeline of the
• 24:11
  cow. I don't just traced that. >> Exactly. [laughter] You just traced it
• 24:15
  and erased things from the AI one to make it look like it was a progress
• 24:18
  shot. [gasps] So now the um the original creator of um James Pond has come out
• 24:24
  because I guess he has nothing to do with this. And he says, "I hope they
• 24:27
  choke on an AI generated fishbone." He calls it disrespectful and soulless
• 24:33
  because uh yeah, very strange. Um Oh yeah, there is the progress shot. Yeah, it's [ __ ]
• 24:40
  stupid. >> Yeah, it's like so supposed like you you
• 24:43
  can clearly see that AI doesn't get that the arm cannon is supposed to look like
• 24:46
  a um a milk. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
• 24:53
  >> Yeah. It's It's very obviously. I mean, if it's not AI, they've just done a
• 25:00
  terrible job. >> Yeah. If it's not AI, this is not the game people are imagining.
• 25:06
  >> This is a thing at the moment, though. I say I say I I think this is AI uh
• 25:10
  >> because they've got enough people with eyes on it that it's sensible. But
• 25:13
  there's a subreddit called uh I think it's is this AI? And that people do now have trouble
• 25:19
  >> with this >> where they commission something
• 25:23
  >> and they get it and it's they just can't tell and then so they post it and they
• 25:28
  go is this AI or is it not and then there'll be an argument about it in the sub it's like
• 25:33
  >> it used to be very easy all you do look at the hands.
• 25:36
  >> Yes. But now AI sort of got the hang of that a little bit more and now it's
• 25:41
  going to focus more on the background and >> but there are tools that can tell you
• 25:45
  like OpenAI has a tool that if you >> give it the picture it can tell you oh
• 25:51
  OpenAI tools we used to make this or whatever. So those that's pretty handy. But
• 25:56
  >> um in some cases, yeah, I think it's not so simple because the other thing people
• 26:02
  do and I think there's a question about whether this is okay. Like if you're an artist
• 26:07
  and you have AI do a draft >> and then you elaborate on the draft, is
• 26:13
  that okay? >> Luke, >> I [laughter] don't know.
• 26:19
  >> I think a lot of people would say no. I I'm leaning towards no because
• 26:24
  >> I don't know because a lot of people use that for writing too now. Journalists
• 26:28
  and stuff use it for writing too. So I think it's it's I mean I would argue
• 26:34
  it's the same thing. You're having the AI figure out the broad strokes of a thing
• 26:41
  and then you're going in and and enhancing it with your flavor.
• 26:44
  >> At the end of the day, I don't think it's going to matter. M
• 26:47
  >> Elon Musk is going to build his billion robot army. They're going to put AI in
• 26:52
  that and we're just replaced. So >> yeah. Yeah. Guess get used to it.
• 26:58
  >> It just We're all replaceable now.
• 27:03
  >> I saw someone post on um a read subreddit the other day. They made a a
• 27:08
  game. They said, "Oh, they made a little adventure game." And then uh link to it
• 27:12
  on Steam and then the screenshots. It's obviously all the art is AI generated
• 27:18
  and then people were like >> uh maybe rethink this like because the
• 27:25
  question is that art's AI generated so what else did you did you make any of this yourself
• 27:30
  >> because it is you literally can at this point sit down and say make me a game
• 27:34
  and it will >> but then it might just be a case of he did make the game but
• 27:40
  >> didn't know the art side. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's
• 27:46
  fine. Like you you have to disclose that on the page and like you know some
• 27:51
  people don't mind it, some people don't like it.
• 27:54
  >> Like but it's just I don't know. I feel like at a certain point
• 27:58
  >> like if you didn't do any of it, >> then how are you selling it?
• 28:02
  >> Yeah, maybe don't Yeah, maybe don't put it up because it's kind of That's a
• 28:05
  little embarrassing, isn't it? >> I don't know. It's weird. I It's weird. >> Yeah.
• 28:12
  Don't no don't care for us. >> But no, this James Pond, I honestly
• 28:17
  think this is not It's nice that they're going back and remaking this game
• 28:22
  because I do remember James Bond, but going back and making it to even if this
• 28:26
  is their intended outcome for what it's going to look like.
• 28:30
  >> It's not taking me back to remember that game. It looks horrible.
• 28:34
  >> Clearly, no one likes it. >> Yeah. would have come better with like that
• 28:39
  still having that retro feel to it instead of this >> 3D that's big right now. Yeah, that
• 28:44
  stuff's big. >> Use um >> so why not go down that path? That would be fine.
• 28:49
  >> Yeah, arguably better. But >> yes, what do we know?
• 28:55
  >> Nothing apparently. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I do know? >> What do you know?
• 29:00
  >> You don't own your games, mate. [sighs]
• 29:05
  >> Yes. Unfortunately, that is true.
• 29:08
  >> Sony has come out and said people are
• 29:12
  aware of it and uh and uh they've got this class action lawsuit.
• 29:18
  >> Mhm. And um the lawsuit says that Sony or the PlayStation store doesn't make it
• 29:25
  obvious enough that players are merely purchasing a revocable license to play a
• 29:30
  game, aka they can take it away from you >> rather than owning the game. Uh it says
• 29:37
  specifically fails to clearly and conspicuously disclose to consumers at
• 29:40
  the point of sale that these transactions do not convey ownership of
• 29:43
  the digital game. It argues the company relegates this information to
• 29:46
  inconspicuous text or separate agreements to that consumers are not
• 29:50
  required to affirmatively acknowledge. Sony says, "Nah, mate, you knew what you
• 29:55
  were getting into." >> Uh, which is a load of crap, but also true at the same time.
• 30:01
  >> Mhm. >> It's only really just become apparent that people are now starting to
• 30:05
  understand, oh, we don't we're buying a license. We're not buying the actual
• 30:10
  game. It's only >> Yeah. I mean, we know because we've
• 30:13
  talked about this a lot over the years. Uh, but I don't think it's common knowledge.
• 30:18
  >> No. And look, when you do go on to something that says confirm purchase,
• 30:22
  you assume you're buying that product. >> When there's a buy button, people think
• 30:27
  it's buy, but you're not. You're buying a license. And it does say it, but it's not like
• 30:33
  >> it's not for they basic. They've got a screenshot of the Sony page here. And by
• 30:37
  selecting confirm purchase, you agree to complete the purchase in accordance with
• 30:41
  terms of service and you first acknowledge that the purchase of this
• 30:44
  digital product amounts to a license subject to a software product license agreement.
• 30:49
  >> People don't know what >> No, no. I'm buying the game.
• 30:53
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how it's always worked
• 30:57
  >> traditionally and people didn't realize it was different. >> Yep. >> Yeah.
• 31:01
  >> What was the first thing that really I think hit people was mythbusters.
• 31:06
  I think was the big one that sort of hit people where that was taken off some
• 31:11
  product and it was just no, we're taking it away from everyone. Like it's not
• 31:14
  just you can't buy it anymore. Even if you purchased it, it's gone. >> Yeah.
• 31:18
  >> That's the first big one where people started to find out that it's Yeah. You're not
• 31:22
  >> I mean this has happened on iTunes for a long time. I think it was just not as
• 31:26
  common and not as like um not as I guess
• 31:31
  >> I I I think with iTunes it was something not new.
• 31:35
  >> Terminator 2 was the big one a long time ago. >> I um I'd purchased the Scott Pilgrim
• 31:41
  soundtrack. >> Oh yeah. >> And then I went to go listen to once and
• 31:44
  a few of the songs were gone and I went, "Oh, that's odd." But thought nothing of
• 31:47
  it and then it wasn't until a lot later went, "Oh, hold on. They lost the rights
• 31:51
  to that." And I >> Yeah. I bought albums on on iTunes many
• 31:54
  many many years ago and they're not >> available anymore like and they just are
• 31:59
  gone now and it's like hang on a minute >> like
• 32:01
  >> I think you got hit when you transferred to America.
• 32:06
  >> I did. Yeah, they fixed that though. >> They did fix that eventually, but yes, I
• 32:10
  did. I had to keep both accounts and I had to switch between them for a while
• 32:14
  until they allowed you to do a transfer. But they did fix that.
• 32:17
  >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Um but the big one was Terminator 2 because
• 32:22
  at some point Terminator 2 was available on um iTunes and I had bought it through
• 32:28
  Movies Anywhere. Movies Anywhere was that one. It's owned by Disney I think
• 32:31
  where you buy and it gives it to you on all the platforms.
• 32:34
  >> Yeah. But something happened and um the
• 32:38
  license I think for whatever company had the license before lost the license and
• 32:43
  it got transferred to another one and it basically just disappeared from a bunch
• 32:46
  of people's libraries and I guess it wasn't as big as a news of a new story
• 32:49
  at the time because it was just that one movie and it was kind of a niche >> Yeah.
• 32:52
  >> thing. But that was the one of the very early ones that I was like, you know
• 32:55
  what, [ __ ] this. I'm not buying these on here anymore. >> Yep.
• 32:59
  >> Cuz I'm not buying them. >> No. And because the annoying thing is
• 33:04
  like when Xbox was selling movies, I was occasionally buying like, "Oh, I'll buy
• 33:09
  that. It's five bucks on special. I'll buy it and I might watch it one day."
• 33:12
  But then it got to a point like, "No, if I'm buying it and by the time I feel,
• 33:16
  oh, I might be ready to watch this in 10 years time, it
• 33:20
  >> probably won't be there." So, I've just >> Yeah. [clears throat and cough] I used
• 33:23
  to think >> my thinking now is right if I have to
• 33:28
  buy it I'll just rent it because unless right if it's with with the way that I
• 33:33
  consume movies right if I'm going to watch a movie
• 33:37
  >> I'll either sit down and I'm going to watch it right now. >> Yep.
• 33:40
  >> Or I can't guarantee when I'm going to watch it.
• 33:43
  >> So it's not worth me buying it on one of these platforms where like you said it
• 33:48
  might be gone by the time I get around to watching it. So, unless I'm sitting
• 33:52
  down right now if I can't get it from somewhere else [laughter]
• 33:58
  >> then I'll just rent it because it's like what two or three bucks instead of 10
• 34:03
  and like I don't know if I'm going to watch it next week. So, [ __ ] it. Like
• 34:08
  I'm certainly not going to watch a movie twice. Do you know what I mean? I don't
• 34:11
  have time for that anymore. So, there's no buying them is kind of pointless.
• 34:15
  Well, that's why that's why there's sort of this resurger of people going back to
• 34:20
  physical media, but even then, you're
• 34:23
  not guaranteed because >> well, think about all those people had
• 34:28
  those big VHS collections. And we know someone who has a big VHS collection. >> Yeah.
• 34:32
  >> Buying a working VHS is actually hard to do now. So,
• 34:36
  >> I've got one, but yeah, it's I mean, they don't make new ones, I don't think.
• 34:40
  Well, they probably do now. They might do, but it's going to be the same. Like
• 34:44
  they can just stop >> making Blu-ray players >> or like uh HD DVD. >> Yeah.
• 34:49
  >> What are you going to watch those on? That went away. >> Your laser disc.
• 34:52
  >> Yeah, Blu-ray could go the same way. And will eventually obviously Blu-rays.
• 34:57
  Well, look at Sony. They're not putting the drives in the [ __ ] PlayStations anymore.
• 35:01
  >> How long do you think they're going to make Blu-ray players?
• 35:03
  >> And remember, the reason why Blu-ray was such a big thing was because of the um
• 35:08
  PlayStation 3. Yeah, >> cuz it came with a Blu-ray player. >> Yeah. So, I think
• 35:14
  I think unfortunately this is inevitable. >> Yes.
• 35:17
  >> Um I think just stop buying them. [laughter]
• 35:22
  Teach these [ __ ] a lesson. You have to That's a the um what's that argument
• 35:28
  about? Um, people say, "I I pirate it because I
• 35:33
  want to I don't want to pay them, but I want to um send them a message
• 35:40
  >> kind of thing. I still want to watch it, but I I don't want to pay for it." But
• 35:43
  then the thing is that if they see everybody's pirating it, they know you
• 35:46
  want it. And so what they actually try to do is prevent you from pirating it.
• 35:50
  >> Like they're not that they're not making it easier.
• 35:52
  >> Yeah. You're not actually making the stand you think you are. No, it's
• 35:56
  sending a mixed message to them because it's like you're saying that like this
• 36:00
  thing has no value to you, but you're still getting it illegally, which means
• 36:04
  it obviously does because you're risking you're risking
• 36:08
  >> things like if it didn't mean anything, you just >> would boycott it completely.
• 36:14
  >> Not watch it. Like, yeah, done. >> You're not f not convinced this workound
• 36:21
  in your head is making this moral, >> right? So, I don't know. I think this whole
• 36:26
  digital thing, there's not much we can do about it. It certainly makes me rethink
• 36:31
  buying as many things though, like you said, because I I now before I'd be
• 36:36
  like, "Oh, this is on sale. I'll grab it." Now, I think
• 36:39
  >> am I ever going to get around to playing this? >> Yes.
• 36:41
  >> And if I can't guarantee that I'll get around to playing it, well, then
• 36:45
  >> this could be a waste of money because it could disappear tomorrow. >> Yep.
• 36:49
  >> So, unless I'm going to play it right now, >> I'm not I'm not >> Leave it there.
• 36:54
  That's changed my buying habits. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
• 37:01
  Uh Steam >> has had a data leak.
• 37:05
  >> That's quite a big data leak. >> 12 terabytes is quite big. Uh and I
• 37:11
  don't I mean how the [ __ ] did they do this? Um a public accessible a publicly
• 37:16
  accessible end point. >> Uh and no hacking was required. Somebody
• 37:21
  has managed to slurp up 12 terabytes of data from both complete and beta
• 37:27
  versions of games including HalfLife uh was it part three the you know the
• 37:32
  expansion that never came out the canceled one. >> Yep.
• 37:36
  >> A bunch of stuff and third party games too. And uh yeah it's very strange.
• 37:42
  >> Wow. Like how do it's it's sort of strange it's sort of sat there
• 37:47
  unprotected for so long and someone finally found it.
• 37:49
  >> Yeah. 12 terabytes is
• 37:54
  >> just a lot. [gasps] >> Yeah. They found a build of Left 4 Dead
• 37:59
  from several months ply prior to its actual release which features a
• 38:03
  different hard voice lines which never featured in the retail version and
• 38:06
  sections of the map that were altered. >> How did people have so much time to go
• 38:10
  through all this stuff? >> Well, yeah. I don't know.
• 38:17
  like to sit down and go compare it to the the game that's released to the what
• 38:22
  they found and compare the different lines that were in it and weren't. And
• 38:27
  >> um it's the Valve related content creator Gabe Follower. Is Gabe Follower
• 38:32
  his name or what he does? [laughter] >> I'm guessing it might be what he does. I
• 38:38
  just think it's funny >> because that could also be a a name.
• 38:46
  No, it it can't be. It's too on the nose for it to be an actual name.
• 38:51
  >> He's just he's following Gabe Mule. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. It's very
• 38:55
  interesting. Uh cuz that's like I said 12 terabytes is a [ __ ] lot and
• 38:59
  somebody's just managed to slurp that down without >> having
• 39:04
  they were I don't think they doesn't seem like they were too concerned with what the
• 39:09
  >> what the information was there. If it's like 12 terabytes just unprotected.
• 39:14
  Well, it says Valve transitioned to a different storage system in 2013, which
• 39:18
  is why the data ends at that point, which is I guess lucky for them
• 39:23
  [laughter] because otherwise it would have been even more. >> Yeah.
• 39:26
  >> And so maybe this is just some legacy system that's just
• 39:30
  >> sat there forgotten about or >> 13 years. >> Yeah. Uh includes the entire Steam
• 39:36
  library from 2003 and 2013. from between 2003 to 2013. Not
• 39:43
  just Valve games, it's the whole Steam library was only 12 terabytes.
• 39:49
  >> Yeah, that's interesting, right? >> At one point. Yeah. >> The 2013 that seems small.
• 39:54
  >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz [clears throat] Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
• 39:59
  Definitely wasn't Games Today. >> No. >> Which Val hasn't commented on it, but uh
• 40:06
  that's a thing that's happened. >> Yeah. I don't think there's much for him to comment on.
• 40:10
  >> No. Yeah, we [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Should have probably uh
• 40:15
  >> you found that heard that >> we've now fixed it. >> Well, presumably they have. Yeah.
• 40:21
  >> The only thing that the only thing that I think they'd really have to come out
• 40:24
  and talk about is if there was customer data in there.
• 40:28
  >> Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. Well, I
• 40:31
  guess unless you count um the game publishers as customers, which they are.
• 40:38
  >> They are, but I don't think it's got their bank account details in there.
• 40:42
  >> Probably not. Probably not.
• 40:46
  Um uh I've been watching, uh Silo. Did we [clears throat] talk about this last week?
• 40:51
  >> We We have. How is it going? I think the last episode just came out.
• 40:55
  >> I watched it last night. Last episode of this season. There's one more season. Yes.
• 41:00
  >> And uh let's just say without spoilers, we got some answers last night,
• 41:06
  >> but just some more questions as well. It's very good. It's very good.
• 41:12
  >> So, it did answer some of these questions that you were sort of like
• 41:15
  >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Last week you were talking like you're
• 41:18
  hoping that these are all going to pay off because it's setting some stuff up. That's
• 41:21
  >> I have a pretty good idea. I have an idea of I don't I don't know how to spoil
• 41:27
  things. Um yes answer a good picture of how things work. Now
• 41:33
  >> the questions remaining are mostly why and
• 41:39
  who's responsible for this? >> Those are the main questions I have now.
• 41:42
  Why is it like this and who did this? >> Okay,
• 41:47
  >> it's very good. But but the the functional questions about how things
• 41:51
  work are mostly answered now, I think. >> Well, I'm going to start watching it now
• 41:55
  that the last episode's out. So, I'm going to renew Apple. Apple, you're
• 41:59
  drawing me back in >> because Seance didn't. So,
• 42:03
  >> I I I got Silos's better than for me. I'm enjoying it. I like it better than
• 42:09
  Severance. I like Se a good bit, but uh >> yeah, Silo like we're doing like like I
• 42:15
  probably mentioned, we're re-watching all of it. >> Uh and we're So, we've been watching
• 42:20
  season 3 as it came out. Started re-watching from the start. We're now
• 42:24
  back up to season three [laughter] in our rewatch and it actually gets a
• 42:28
  little confusing because it would >> we started last night's episode and
• 42:34
  luckily they have a little recap before but I had to do a little little mental
• 42:37
  reset of like hang on >> last episode which which last [laughter] episode was
• 42:43
  the one before this one like >> no I can't wait to watch it because
• 42:49
  season two while I liked I didn't mind it did lose me a little bit. It felt a bit
• 42:55
  >> I think >> on the rewatch I really liked season 2 but I think the
• 43:00
  >> the reason is that you don't quite understand
• 43:04
  why things are important. >> Yeah. until the end of it. And then on a
• 43:09
  rewatch, I actually got more out of it because you're you're going, "Oh, okay. Okay."
• 43:15
  >> Like, >> okay. All right. Maybe a rewatch, but I'm looking forward.
• 43:19
  >> It's important. I guess there's a reason that it's
• 43:22
  >> do showing you what it's showing you kind of thing. >> Okay. >> Yep. All right.
• 43:27
  All right. Apple, you getting my money again. >> And they've filmed season 4 already. I
• 43:32
  don't know if we talked about that. It comes out summer next year. And then uh that's
• 43:35
  >> it's sort of weird that this is happening now like for for so long like
• 43:39
  with severance where like filming was put up oh we haven't even started
• 43:43
  filming next season it's years away and now we've got like this which oh we've
• 43:47
  already filmed it and same with Star Trek Strange News World that's already filmed and
• 43:51
  >> yeah I think with something like this it was very popular. They're like okay
• 43:55
  we're going to make all of it. We know that we are now. Let's just do it
• 43:58
  because Rebecca Ferguson is very [ __ ] busy. Yes. And >> she's more expensive now.
• 44:04
  >> Yeah. So, let's just get everyone and like Common and all the other actors
• 44:08
  presumably. I think a lot of the actors in this will probably go on to do bigger
• 44:12
  things as well. >> Yeah. >> So, let's just get them all in and get
• 44:16
  it done because we know we're going to do it. Let's just spend the money.
• 44:18
  >> Why? We can keep paying him what we're paying them.
• 44:20
  >> Yeah. It's not going to be cheaper [laughter] in two years. So, let's just
• 44:24
  [ __ ] do it. Yeah. No, I'm happy about it.
• 44:29
  >> Ah, man. Great show. >> Yeah. >> Really like it.
• 44:35
  >> It's good. Well, there's another show you have on here. Have you actually watched this?
• 44:41
  >> No, I will, but this is sad. Uh, Spider Noir. >> Um, which I do really want to watch. I
• 44:48
  just haven't gotten around to it yet. It's been cancelled after one season
• 44:52
  despite the fact that it's been nominated for a bunch of Emmys
• 44:55
  >> and uh and everybody loved it. >> I think it was one of these shows that
• 45:01
  >> like it's winning awards, everything, but the problem is is no one was
• 45:05
  actually watching it. >> Is that true? Maybe it's true. Yeah.
• 45:08
  >> I watched the first episode and it didn't draw me in. >> Oh, really?
• 45:13
  >> Yeah. You haven't watched it at all? >> No, I haven't. That's fair. The reason I
• 45:19
  haven't watched it is not I probably would have except I wanted to watch it
• 45:22
  with Jenna and with who watches Zyo. >> So [laughter] it's like it's not like
• 45:27
  that I'm putting it off as such. It's just a put it in.
• 45:31
  >> But the way with television shows now it's not like in the old days where you
• 45:35
  with week to week they you get all of it and they watch very closely to see who's
• 45:41
  and they make the decisions very quickly now. >> Well, silo's been week to week.
• 45:47
  be killing me. Um I imagine cage is probably expensive too. >> Yes.
• 45:53
  >> Imagining that that's the case. >> I don't know anymore.
• 45:58
  >> Yeah. Do people take a pay cut for TV? I think some TV is prestigious enough now
• 46:05
  that people do take a pay cut, but >> something like this.
• 46:09
  >> Like this isn't He's It's not 1990s anymore where Nicholas Cage
• 46:14
  >> That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. >> Like what was I don't It's been a while
• 46:19
  since we've really seen him in anything. >> That's true. >> I can remember.
• 46:23
  >> That's kind of a joke. >> Not saying that he's cheap, but
• 46:26
  >> No, no, no. I know. He's done a lot of [ __ ] >> Yes. >> Over the years.
• 46:32
  >> Have you watched um >> releasing movies, couple of movies every year?
• 46:37
  >> Have you seen what's the one? Um The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
• 46:40
  Have you seen that movie? >> No. >> Oh, you've got to watch it. The one with Pedro Pascal.
• 46:45
  Oh, that's the one where that scene comes from, isn't it?
• 46:48
  >> Yeah, you've got to watch it, mate. It's so good. It's such a funny movie.
• 46:53
  >> It's really good. >> I will watch it. Oh, will I? Can I watch
• 46:58
  it on anything? >> Oh, interesting. Yeah, just buy it. Buy [laughter]
• 47:05
  buy it. >> Uh, Amazon available rental purchase.
• 47:11
  Ephol rental purchase streaming. No currently subscriptions.
• 47:16
  >> Yeah. Sucks. >> That does sucks. [snorts]
• 47:21
  Um, you [clears throat] mentioned Star Trek. >> Yes.
• 47:25
  >> There's some news here that I'm like gh about.
• 47:30
  >> They're making a new Star Trek movie. >> And
• 47:34
  >> are they making the R-rated one from >> Tarantino? >> Tarantino. Yes.
• 47:41
  >> No. >> No. >> This is um what are these guys? Uh
• 47:47
  these guys did the Dungeons and Dragons movie, right? Okay. That was a good movie.
• 47:52
  >> But the problem is this is the pitch. >> The new Star Trek movie will explore bad
• 47:58
  apples in Starfleet. That's not Star Trek. There's no like Star Trek.
• 48:05
  >> We've already sort of had that movie. >> Yeah. And it's [ __ ] Like that's not
• 48:09
  that's Don't do that. That's the whole point of Star Trek is that No, no, no,
• 48:12
  no. Human, humanity's figured itself out. >> We're all working together. Gene
• 48:15
  Rodenberry would not sign off on this movie. >> Like, what are they doing? Like, no, no,
• 48:19
  this isn't Star Trek. Star Trek is them out in the universe solving like
• 48:23
  problems with aliens and like >> Yes. Enforcing our will upon the rest of the universe.
• 48:28
  >> Yeah. Humanity is supposed to be a utopia at this point. They figured
• 48:31
  everything out like like this whole thing where there's like >> conspiracies and stuff.
• 48:36
  >> The conflict shouldn't be internal with Star Trek. And then when they show like,
• 48:40
  oh, there's all these like poor people on Earth. No, no, no. That's the whole
• 48:44
  point is that we supposed to have figured that out. Stop it.
• 48:47
  >> Cuz we got replicator technology, which means you take away worrying about food
• 48:52
  and everything. And >> yes, >> that's why there's no money on Earth.
• 48:56
  >> That's what Star Trek is. [laughter] Stop it.
• 49:00
  >> Like anyway, so I don't know. I just think this is
• 49:05
  stupid. Yeah, it's but it's the only Star Trek that's
• 49:10
  in development at the moment. >> Y >> there's nothing else in development which
• 49:14
  >> I'm heartened by the fact that all of the comments on this were like no
• 49:17
  thanks. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> stop it. Stop trying to make gritty dark
• 49:23
  Star Trek. That's not what the all the successful Star Trek movies aren't this.
• 49:29
  They're the ones where they go out into space and they do cool [ __ ] >> Yes. [laughter]
• 49:38
  >> [sighs and gasps] >> Rant finished. >> Yeah. I'm just trying to have a look
• 49:45
  like Yeah. Everyone sort of like Yeah. Like Jean Roder's vision was to point to
• 49:49
  the light in the future of space exploration. >> Mhm. I just think it's odd.
• 49:54
  >> I mean, it's not odd. It's what it's f it fits with what people are into
• 50:01
  these days, I suppose. I just feel like that not everything has to be like that.
• 50:04
  >> I'm just wondering are these two fans of Star Trek
• 50:11
  or if they just Yep. This would be a good career move for us. >> Yeah.
• 50:16
  >> So, I think you you look at like J.J. Abrams was honest about it. He was more
• 50:22
  of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan. And that comes across when you look at
• 50:27
  the Star Trek movies he did because they're more like Star Wars movies which
• 50:30
  >> Yeah. They've got that fast pace. It's Yeah.
• 50:32
  >> And I think like that worked like they were probably more popular
• 50:39
  than they would have been otherwise because of that. But I do think it
• 50:43
  changed what they were. >> Yes. >> Like >> Yeah. >> So, but I guess it's a business. It's
• 50:50
  not a >> It's a business. We'll just have to wait and see.
• 50:53
  >> Mhm. But hopefully with all the feedback they're getting, maybe they will just
• 50:57
  they won't. >> Maybe we can have another go at this. [laughter]
• 51:01
  But no, they've already got this already locked in. >> Probably. >> Yeah,
• 51:05
  >> I don't know. I like I said, I just read the headline and I was like, "No thank you.
• 51:10
  >> No thank you." >> Um, in other science fiction news, uh,
• 51:16
  let's do this one first. Ridley Scott,
• 51:18
  that's weighed in. And uh oh, >> that article's not loading.
• 51:25
  >> Article's gone. >> That's fine. I read it. I know what I
• 51:28
  know what Ridley I've seen a few articles about. I'll find another one before we uh
• 51:32
  >> Okay. So, it's it's I haven't rec. It's out there.
• 51:36
  >> No, no. Ridley Scott said that. Um [sighs and gasps] so, there's other
• 51:41
  articles about Did we talk about this part of it? Okay. He's coming back and
• 51:46
  he's going to do the third one of the movies that he was, you know, he did
• 51:49
  Prometheus, Alien Covenant, and then he was going to do a third one and then no
• 51:53
  one liked Alien Covenant, so he went away. >> Yes,
• 51:57
  >> he didn't think Romulus was that good, which I agree with. But now he being
• 52:03
  Ridley Scott thinks he's obviously required to come back and do the one he
• 52:08
  was going to do with >> I didn't mind Robbie Listen. I thought
• 52:12
  it was definitely better than his last movie. >> I think Romulus was all I also think
• 52:17
  Romulus was better than Alien Covenant even though I didn't like it that much. Um and I
• 52:23
  >> but he's definitely >> sadly Scott used to be one of my
• 52:27
  favorite directors. These days I'm like okay old man back in your box. Like [laughter]
• 52:33
  I don't have any confidence in your taste anymore. So, he's gonna do one
• 52:38
  >> set after Covenant where >> I know I'm not gonna rant about this
• 52:42
  again. I I rewatched Alien Covenant a couple of years ago. I had so many problems with it.
• 52:48
  >> It doesn't explain a whole bunch of [ __ ] >> I don't think making another movie after
• 52:53
  is going to make it any better. >> No. Well, I'm unless it's the movie in
• 52:59
  between that movie. Those two movies. >> The one that I want
• 53:02
  >> you see her flying around on a spaceship with a head and a bag.
• 53:06
  >> Yeah. No, it's not. It's going to be David after Covenant when he somehow
• 53:12
  managed to [ __ ] swallow
• 53:16
  that thing with the alien embryo in it. just [gasps]
• 53:21
  >> but look it does to me this is >> to me this is just sort of showing that
• 53:26
  they are just rubber stamping his name onto movies as a producer >> or
• 53:33
  it is possible he's just talking [ __ ] and this isn't actually going to happen
• 53:36
  >> well he was producer of Alien Romulus >> No that's fair he does he's still got a
• 53:42
  lot of pull but >> I think his name's just on it but it's
• 53:46
  got nothing to do with him actually being a part of it
• 53:48
  >> well he does and he doesn't, right? Because the whole point of this was,
• 53:52
  this is why I think this whole thing is stupid. He didn't want to make any more
• 53:55
  alien movies. He wanted to make a movie about aliens seeding humanity, like a
• 54:01
  Charity of the Gods style movie. Nothing to do with Alien or anything like that,
• 54:05
  >> but he came but he put it in the Alien universe or some
• 54:09
  >> No, because they wouldn't let him make it. They wouldn't give him the money.
• 54:12
  And then he was like, "I want to make this movie." And then they were like,
• 54:15
  "No, we want you to make an alien movie." So, he took that script that was
• 54:20
  uh if you if you read what the original script was, it was literally a prequel
• 54:23
  to um Alien and it was quite good. >> Yep. >> And then he said, "All right, I'll make
• 54:30
  that then." And they were like, "All right, great." And then he went took it
• 54:33
  away and he went, "Fuck you." And he just changed it [laughter] all into what
• 54:36
  he wanted to do. >> Which is which is why it doesn't fit
• 54:39
  with Alien properly anymore because he was like, "I don't want to do that."
• 54:43
  >> But I'll take your money though. >> Right. He doesn't give a [ __ ] that it
• 54:47
  doesn't make sense. >> No. So,
• 54:52
  yeah. I just cuz the the only real thing that tied it into Alien was there was an
• 54:56
  alien at the end for some reason, >> right? It was intentionally disconnected
• 55:02
  from Alien because he didn't Yeah. And then >> and then for some reason Alien Covenant,
• 55:06
  he was like, you know, actually it is connected to Alien, but in a stupid way,
• 55:10
  not in [laughter] a good way. And now he wants to make a third one to really tie
• 55:14
  it in to show, you know, it's all >> Yeah, >> we'll wait and see. I don't I don't
• 55:19
  think it's going to get I don't think maybe his p is dying off.
• 55:25
  >> Maybe. Although executive producer on a lot of stuff.
• 55:30
  >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. I'm going to put this article in place of the other one.
• 55:35
  >> Yeah.
• 55:40
  Uh, I put it in the wrong section. Let me put it right up here. Sorry. I know
• 55:45
  this is not interesting to people. [laughter] All right. And then this one
• 55:49
  can [ __ ] off. [snorts] There we go. All right. Excellent. Now I can read the
• 55:55
  article. >> This one's a bit more harsh on Ridley.
• 56:01
  The headline for this one is Ridley Scott wants to help Alien after Romulus
• 56:04
  was better than his films. [laughter] Not wrong. Well, actually, I like
• 56:08
  Prometheus. I like Prometheus despite Yes. I It's one of those things where I
• 56:14
  know why it's the way it is. So, I'm like I can just ignore the fact that
• 56:19
  it's like Yes, it's >> I still remember for the longest time
• 56:23
  people were on like the Space Ax and No, the Space X made sense.
• 56:27
  >> Yeah, that was not the biggest problem with that movie.
• 56:29
  >> No, the the problem with that movie is that he was he just said, "Oh, yeah. Oh,
• 56:34
  yeah. I'll make it that alien movie." And then he just made it turned it into
• 56:37
  what he wanted. Like that was the problem is it should have been one or the other.
• 56:40
  >> Yeah. >> It should have been the alien movie that they had written which was the script
• 56:45
  quite good >> or Ridley Scott's movie about aliens creating humanity. >> Not this hybrid.
• 56:52
  >> When when he smooshed them together [laughter] he [ __ ] it up. That's the problem.
• 56:58
  >> And we never got the sequel we wanted. >> No. Sad news.
• 57:05
  >> Star Wars fans. Yeah. Phil Tippet,
• 57:09
  famous Phil Tippet who uh who created many many many many of the special
• 57:15
  effects for the Star Wars films and and other films
• 57:18
  >> uh has gone bankrupt and has have to shutter his studio. >> Oh god. >> Uh
• 57:24
  >> I sort of can understand why with everything going to
• 57:28
  >> I thought it was a big resurgence of practical. >> You would think so. Um
• 57:35
  but uh yeah, no he created stopmotion animation. Um
• 57:41
  sorry, a Hollywood effects wizard with a specialty in stopotion animation has
• 57:44
  rendered aliens, machines, and monsters across Star Wars, Robocop, and Jurassic
• 57:47
  Park. In 1984, he and his wife found a Tippet Studio, a visual effects shop
• 57:52
  that has contributed to dozens of blockbusters. Like they've done so much
• 57:56
  stuff over the years, like just really, really incredible special effects stuff. True.
• 58:00
  >> You have seen their work. I mean, I'd be surprised if you're a Star Wars fan, you
• 58:05
  don't know the name Phil Tippet because he's such just such a big part of
• 58:09
  everything. Um, but just not people
• 58:14
  aren't, I guess, using the stuff that he um does anymore.
• 58:20
  Sort of a shame because now whenever you see a movie come out that's all
• 58:23
  practical effects, people go, "This looks so much better." >> Right. Yeah. Because
• 58:29
  it's it's just looks different on camera. like the fact that it's physically there.
• 58:32
  >> Yeah. >> Um but so so they've had to um shut down the
• 58:39
  company, but they're selling off a bunch of stuff. Um
• 58:43
  which I I don't know exactly under what
• 58:46
  circumstances, but like if Oh, it's in
• 58:51
  the past, [ __ ] Did this already happen? >> Yeah.
• 58:56
  >> Just publish it so that actions already happened. Yeah, they liquidated all of
• 59:01
  the stuff. So, if you click here, I'll put this I'll put this in here as well
• 59:04
  if you want to have a look and be sad about the fact that you didn't get any
• 59:07
  of this stuff. >> There was no way I was going to be able
• 59:10
  to afford any of this stuff anyway.
• 59:13
  >> Tip it stuff cuz I'm guessing it didn't sell for
• 59:19
  cheap. Probably not. So, there. Click through there
• 59:23
  and then you can see uh scroll down and then have a look at some of the stuff that
• 59:28
  >> [gasps] >> And then if you expand that out, >> yeah,
• 59:35
  >> AT80. And it's an AT80, not an adat. >> Just a lot of stuff. Like so much stuff.
• 59:41
  Some of this is obviously actual movie props and like little stop motion
• 59:46
  animation figures from things. Uh some of it is toys based on things that he
• 59:52
  made. Oh, the Cronin from uh Hellboy. His helmet. like again just they just made so much
• 59:58
  >> I think I know why he went bankrupt. He must have been renting so much space to
• 1:00:02
  store all his [laughter] stuff. [cough] >> But yeah, it's just uh Yeah, it's just
• 1:00:08
  sad. It's a shame. >> Yeah, just so much stuff. Yeah, just this all
• 1:00:15
  went for a fortune. I know it. >> Oh, of course it always does.
• 1:00:21
  But [sighs] yeah, >> I would love it more.
• 1:00:25
  you would you would have appreciated it.
• 1:00:32
  >> But yeah, >> mission. >> Well, before we head over to the
• 1:00:39
  afterparty, there is something I want to mention. It's followup. >> Okay.
• 1:00:44
  >> About our friend Alec Baldwin. >> Has he shot anyone else?
• 1:00:50
  >> Not that I'm aware of. He's not been caught shooting anybody else. >> Um,
• 1:00:54
  >> you still you got to run into him one day and you have to get an interview.
• 1:00:58
  >> I'll do my best. Yeah. Uh, well, there's a documentary coming out about the trial and
• 1:01:05
  >> about the trial. >> Yeah. And I think this could be good
• 1:01:07
  because, uh, I watched the trial
• 1:01:11
  >> and it was slow and boring
• 1:01:16
  mostly, but with bits of very compelling stuff happening.
• 1:01:20
  >> Yep. particularly around the story about, you know, the bullets and how
• 1:01:25
  somebody turned in the bullets and said these were given to me and I was told
• 1:01:29
  just to hold on to them and blah blah blah. There's a whole thing about how
• 1:01:32
  basically the the cops [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Um and that's the reason
• 1:01:37
  basically uh >> it all just got thrown out. Got thrown out, didn't it?
• 1:01:43
  >> It got well the case against him was dismissed with prejudice. AK Yeah. Yes.
• 1:01:47
  Thrown out. He can't be charged with this crime ever. It's he's he's done. It's he's free.
• 1:01:53
  >> Yeah. >> Uh and no, I mean, he wasn't
• 1:01:58
  responsible. [clears throat] >> I I don't think like I know that yes, he
• 1:02:02
  pulled the trigger and and he went on TV and said he didn't, but that was just he
• 1:02:09
  was not mentally well and because of it all like
• 1:02:11
  >> and that was the worst thing his manager or whatever did for him is get out there
• 1:02:15
  and talk about it. >> I think they told him not to. I think
• 1:02:18
  they told him not to and he said, "No, I'm going to do it." >> Oh. >> Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  >> Yeah. It's the worst thing he ever did >> because he said a bunch of stuff that
• 1:02:24
  made no sense and then and he just didn't need to because the reality of it
• 1:02:28
  was that it turns out >> I'm sure this documentary will reveal
• 1:02:31
  the details. Okay, this is my recollection of it. Yep.
• 1:02:35
  >> There were people on set using the guns to shoot at cans and stuff like that
• 1:02:39
  when they weren't supposed to. >> The armorer I think had the real bullets
• 1:02:46
  after basically a real bullet got left in the gun. >> Mhm.
• 1:02:51
  >> Many many people are responsible down the chain for that and ends Alec Balden
• 1:02:56
  and you know people will make the argument he should have checked.
• 1:03:00
  >> It's not his job. We can discuss whether It's someone's actual job to go, "This
• 1:03:05
  gun is safe." He goes, >> "I think if you're on set and you're an
• 1:03:08
  actor, I guess I know he's a producer as well, but on that particular in that
• 1:03:11
  moment, he's an actor on set and he's been handed a gun, right? He should be
• 1:03:15
  able to assume >> yes, >> this is safe because someone I'm on a
• 1:03:20
  set. I'm on a film shoot. I'm going to be pointing this at people. I'm pulling
• 1:03:22
  the trigger. >> I should be able to assume somebody's double checked that this is safe." I
• 1:03:28
  don't think you can blame him. That's just my opinion. Um, >> no, I I agree with that.
• 1:03:34
  >> And then the the trial they found that
• 1:03:38
  the bullets had been given to somebody to take care of, aka hidden, I
• 1:03:45
  [laughter] think. Uh, and then that person had eventually thought
• 1:03:49
  something's not right. Took them to the police >> and the police filed them under the
• 1:03:55
  wrong case number. They made a new case by mistake or were trying to for
• 1:04:02
  whatever reason. >> Yeah. >> They they filed under a different case
• 1:04:05
  number and then the bullets disappeared for a while and then during the trial
• 1:04:10
  the the subject of the bullets came up and the prosecution tried to say, "Oh
• 1:04:15
  no, that's not relevant." And the judge said, "I want to see the bullets. Bring
• 1:04:19
  the bullets." And so they bring literally bring the bullets into the
• 1:04:22
  courtroom and they compare them to the bullet that shot
• 1:04:25
  >> uh what's it the cinematographer and the same bullets and the judge was like you
• 1:04:30
  [ __ ] up like >> case dismissed with prejudice like yeah
• 1:04:34
  he cannot be tried now it's impossible >> which I for me he should never have been
• 1:04:40
  on trial. The armor was the one >> and I think if they had the bullets it
• 1:04:45
  would have been very different. That's what the judges the whole point was that
• 1:04:48
  the judge said like you [ __ ] this case up like we should have had these bullets. >> Yep.
• 1:04:54
  >> It would have been very Well, so she did get prison time
• 1:04:57
  >> and I think she's appealing on the basis that that that happened. But I don't
• 1:05:02
  know that that'll work because the evidence [laughter]
• 1:05:05
  that made Alec Baldwin innocent makes her look guilty. So it's kind
• 1:05:10
  >> makes her even guiltier. >> Yeah, maybe just leave it. Like you were
• 1:05:13
  the armorer who was letting people [ __ ] around with the guns. >> Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  >> And then were in charge of making sure that the guns were safe and the gun
• 1:05:21
  wasn't safe. Like that's little >> her own. >> I can understand her thinking, well,
• 1:05:26
  hang on. If they [ __ ] the case up, does that mean I also
• 1:05:29
  >> get So, but I I don't know that would go well because like again, the evidence
• 1:05:33
  that messed the case up >> incriminates her. So, >> yes.
• 1:05:37
  >> Yeah. So anyway, this documentary about the court case and presumably about the
• 1:05:42
  the shooting itself uh has been
• 1:05:47
  uh let's see let's see the rights have been given to Rory Kennedy um who is a
• 1:05:53
  Oscarinning documentarian and so he will be making this documentary the trial of
• 1:05:58
  Alec Baldwin. Well, documentary I'm guessing most of the footage has already
• 1:06:04
  been filmed in. [snorts] >> Well, it's I assume it's footage of the
• 1:06:07
  court case. Yeah. And then probably interviews and stuff, too. >> Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  >> Okay. I I I probably might watch this. >> Oh, it's coming out in October,
• 1:06:15
  actually. You know what? There you go. It's even It's even more uh more
• 1:06:18
  complete than I thought. It's coming out in October. >> Excellent. >> Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  >> Got a couple of months. >> I think it'll be interesting because
• 1:06:23
  like I said, mostly the court case wasn't very interesting, but there were
• 1:06:25
  a few moments that I'm glad I saw. >> Yes. because they were just so to me like [gasps]
• 1:06:32
  >> like >> well that's what court cases are. They're not not a lot happens for a lot
• 1:06:36
  of it and then >> cuz even with even just interviewing
• 1:06:40
  someone um asking them questions, you have to set a lot of questions up to
• 1:06:44
  confirm who they are and what their job is like until you get to the important stuff.
• 1:06:49
  >> Yeah. And just watching the judge question the prosecutor about those
• 1:06:53
  bullets and watching her clearly realize, oh [ __ ] [laughter] like we
• 1:06:58
  screwed this up. And then the moment when the judge said, yeah, case
• 1:07:01
  dismissed with prejudice. And you can just see Alec Baldwin being like, oh my
• 1:07:05
  god, thank [ __ ] that's over. Like, >> well, he's probably having that over,
• 1:07:09
  but even like he went through a lot during that time. Like he at the end of
• 1:07:13
  the day, he did shoot someone and he's not h that would have been hard on him.
• 1:07:18
  >> Yeah, I know. People People were very hard on him about it. >> Oh, hello.
• 1:07:25
  >> Why? What's up? >> Okay, just a minute. Well, on that note,
• 1:07:31
  let's head to the after party. After >> party, this needs to take a couple of
• 1:07:34
  minutes and then we'll head to the after party. >> All right. Um,
• 1:07:38
  >> oh, patreon.com/multiplurgism. That's where that is for $5.
• 1:07:41
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