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Episode 35: Shoot The Glass · The Tom & Gerry Show Podcast

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  Speaker 1: M Yes, Tom, new house, new recording room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can only apologize to people if it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit achoway, because as you can see right now, the
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  Speaker 2: old schelev Rooneys don't tend to you know, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's not like. It's not like you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not known either, Tom, how are you all keeping?
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Welcome to the Tom and Jerry Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm Jerry Mcbridey's Tom on Manny. Let's get
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  Speaker 3: to talking about slabs. I'm not in a I'm not
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  Speaker 3: in a recording studio either. I don't have like the
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  Speaker 3: egg cartains on the walls or anything like that. No, Tom,
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  Speaker 3: you're in a You're in a You're in a You're
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  Speaker 3: in a freshly slabbed room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is like the you know, the safe rooms
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  Speaker 2: that you see the c i A have when they
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  Speaker 2: put the phones outside and there to have a meeting
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  Speaker 2: with like a Russian spy or whatever. This is that
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  Speaker 2: room right now. There's it's a did zone for anything.
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  Speaker 3: You know, And and no disrespect to it, Tom, because
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  Speaker 3: as you said yourself, you're only just stat at the house.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not really like I say for him, it's
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  Speaker 3: more like where you'd wall somebody up.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's true, It's true, it's true. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's There will be improvements. This is also only
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  Speaker 2: temporary and to be building the proper one out in
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  Speaker 2: the garage. But i'll make do over the next couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks. You'd see improvements. You'll see proper lighting and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: But as we are in a minute, I'm sharing this
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  Speaker 2: room with a lot of you would appreciate the gigantic tupperware,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the clear box stuff with labels on them.
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  Speaker 2: My wife's handwriting is on. So I'm sharing that room
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  Speaker 2: with that, right now, beautiful, beautiful right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know there's a lot of TopWare floating around
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  Speaker 3: because this if you haven't done it at this stage,
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  Speaker 3: everybody you were going to do it soon is you're
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  Speaker 3: going to bring them in the big tubs of Christmas
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  Speaker 3: decorations and whatnot. Then, because we're in it, buddy. The
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  Speaker 3: election is over. I'm sure if you want results, you
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  Speaker 3: can look them up. We're not mentioning them on this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: The election is over and we're about to rock into
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  Speaker 3: a very important part of Ier Christmas, which just so
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  Speaker 3: happens to be the big news this week. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: stuck into it in a segment we call the weekly
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  Speaker 3: what have You.
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  Speaker 4: This is a very complicated case, Mad, You know, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of Ian's, a lot of outs, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of what have you, and h a lot of strands
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  Speaker 2: to keep in my head. Man, I have idea it
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  Speaker 2: once again, as I told you a couple of week
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  Speaker 2: a couple of months back, I'm getting pepper with messages
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  Speaker 2: from people asking can I get them tickets to this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, who, No, No, I can't get you to
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  Speaker 2: take No.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's welcome Darland. What can I tell you
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  Speaker 3: one hook at all in the thing?
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  Speaker 2: And they're going for sure? I'd say probably, I'd say
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  Speaker 2: he probably has a book of them. Do you know,
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  Speaker 2: like leftle tickets like at this date? Because I did
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  Speaker 2: the opening warm up about twelve times this year?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, indeed. And what is it? Tom? What is it?
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  Speaker 3: We're prone to We're prone to Christmas procrastination. But if
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  Speaker 3: it's a Christmas show, the Tom has done the warm
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  Speaker 3: up to some of it, we you know, we assume
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  Speaker 3: too much. People may not know that. But what we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about here is what's happening on TV tomorrow night Friday,
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  Speaker 3: The Late Late Toy Show.
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  Speaker 2: By God, yeah, it's it went through a period of
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  Speaker 2: kind of weird gringiness for a while and then it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of bounced back to asher. Look at we know
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  Speaker 2: what it is and it's very.
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  Speaker 3: Charitable now it's in light out Thomas, what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It used to be Pedland Pedland Toys is what it was,
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  Speaker 2: literally just hawking toys left right and center. But it's
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  Speaker 2: a very odd show. I don't think there's a single
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  Speaker 2: thing like it in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Is there? Well, you know, I honestly don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I mean for those that are not from Ireland. Again,
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  Speaker 3: we assume an awful lot. The Late Late Toy Show
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  Speaker 3: is a special edition of The Late Late Show, which is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Late Lake Show. If you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what it does, it can't happen. It was the foremost
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  Speaker 3: Irish chat show, shall we call it, and it has
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  Speaker 3: become a yearly tradition since I believe nineteen seventy five
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  Speaker 3: when the fourth one took place, that once a year
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  Speaker 3: they would just hand over the airwaves to toys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: pree Christmas. They would just show off toys and This
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  Speaker 3: was I gotta tell you, as a young man growing up, Tom,
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  Speaker 3: this was a highlight of the year.
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  Speaker 2: And they would they would repeat it again on a Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: And I watched it again on a Sunday. But absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: but you were you were allowed to stay up late.
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  Speaker 2: You see, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was a pre record was it was a couple
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  Speaker 3: of things, Tom, Like it was you were finally getting
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  Speaker 3: to see toys. Yeah that perhaps I'd only heard of
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  Speaker 3: or seen in the Argos catalog or some such. Almost
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  Speaker 3: certainly never held them in your hand.
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  Speaker 2: You're seeing that stretch Armsung was my one.
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  Speaker 3: I was arms What the fuck? He looks class Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, and he's getting pulled out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was pre Internet and whatnot. So it
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  Speaker 2: was you literally had to go run into the toy
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  Speaker 2: shop hoping that they had a Stretch Armstrong or whatever
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sylvanian family or whatever you were into. But
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  Speaker 2: it would be peddled by adults. The host would still
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  Speaker 2: host and he'd wear his Christmas jumper in the audience
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  Speaker 2: would all dress up like reindeer and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: And more on that in a second. But that was
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  Speaker 3: not the case. I remember when I was little, Christmas
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  Speaker 3: were the thing in the in the barey eighties, show
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  Speaker 3: up in a suit and Maureen wore a narron nit jumper.
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  Speaker 2: I think Christmas jumpers have turned up, and this could
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  Speaker 2: be a segment for another episode. I think they've only
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  Speaker 2: shown up because they're so underworn the rest of the year,
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  Speaker 2: that style of jumper back in the in the eighties,
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  Speaker 2: You're out at war. Several jumpers throughout the week that
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  Speaker 2: could have been misconstrued as a hidden towards you know,
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  Speaker 2: it had the it had the pattern of stars or something,
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  Speaker 2: or pattern of somehow leaf or something. That's it. So
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  Speaker 2: they were kind of Christmas jumpers in themselves. So but no,
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  Speaker 2: they have the pedal. They rolled out kids to review
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  Speaker 2: the the toys with a much less white vibe than YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Hi guys, so here we are.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know? Here's the thing A heard of thing
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  Speaker 3: as well. This was an unheard of thing as well,
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  Speaker 3: that they would bring children onto the late Later I mean, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm not going to pull the show
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  Speaker 3: into a dark space, but any other night of the
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  Speaker 3: year of a child on the late Late that child
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  Speaker 3: probably wasn't doing very well. All right. If Gayborne is
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  Speaker 3: like we're gonna bring on a very brave young boy
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  Speaker 3: here is like, oh fuck, that's not yeah. But the
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  Speaker 3: late late they came out and they played, and they
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  Speaker 3: they sprayed people with water pistols, and that did the bollocks.
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  Speaker 3: And this was unheard of.
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  Speaker 2: It was especially when you have the delights of the host.
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  Speaker 2: You have no interest in all your wrong because you
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  Speaker 2: were whatever, You wouldn't want any thing to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: But when you see somebody as dreary and dry and
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  Speaker 2: as wooden as Pat Kenney, do you know, not the
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  Speaker 2: best of it, not the best. But it was the
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  Speaker 2: only time of the year you'd accept him, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? As a child, you go, well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and he's gone, hello child. Mm hm, tell
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  Speaker 2: me about this person this play? Do I believe you
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  Speaker 2: call it? The kid would and invariably every episode every
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  Speaker 2: year would turn out at least one character. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? There'll be one character? Yes, every year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean people may madsleg authority, but their researchers when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to finding an absolute dinner somewhere, there'll be
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  Speaker 2: some red raw called young or some The one that
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  Speaker 2: sticks out the most to me, his name was John Joe.
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  Speaker 2: It was about. It wasn't a very culture name for
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  Speaker 2: a lad who wanted it, And I.
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  Speaker 3: Can't he didn't have very culture vibes. If I remember
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  Speaker 3: the man, No, he remember the man. If I remember
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  Speaker 3: the six year old child.
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  Speaker 2: He had wrongless. He was desperate to be like a watchmaker.
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  Speaker 2: But he called it what it was like an.
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  Speaker 3: Or called it what it was. Here's where I learned
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  Speaker 3: what it was.
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  Speaker 2: A herologist, a herologist that could be for life. That
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  Speaker 2: and this is this prepe blessing kid going I want
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  Speaker 2: to be a horologious and you're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: your parents have absolutely coached the ship out of you
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  Speaker 2: for this one. Like, but he knocked it out of
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  Speaker 2: the park. He's still a legend. He's still in my
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  Speaker 2: mind like this kid.
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  Speaker 3: And that's and that's and and and that's how you
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  Speaker 3: do it, all right, Yeah, that's how you do it.
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  Speaker 3: Although times and it must be said, and we can't
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  Speaker 3: we can't blame the kids for this. It will be
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  Speaker 3: cringe enough at times because you could see the be
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  Speaker 3: set up to be characters and they just didn't pull
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  Speaker 3: it off. But it's all to the host as well.
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  Speaker 3: There are four hosts of the Lately tysh wald hold Gayborn,
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  Speaker 3: Pat Kenny, Ryan Tobberdy and sorry the name just escape
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  Speaker 3: me right there.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I completely skipped over Keelty too, and.
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  Speaker 3: And and Pat had Paddy Keelty and besides and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm missing one here. And Paddy Heelty,
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  Speaker 3: who I believe this is his second year doing it.
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  Speaker 3: I missed it last Yeah, yeah it is. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was the second year. This will be my first
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  Speaker 3: time tuning in for Paddy Keelty. And the hosts can
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  Speaker 3: make or break it because the hosts are there to
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  Speaker 3: play act and that's all you want them to do.
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  Speaker 3: But on occasion they'll play act to the crowd as well,
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  Speaker 3: and they create very very odd sort of a thing.
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  Speaker 3: You'll You'll have the host they are talking to the
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  Speaker 3: child about Stretch Armstrong and be like oh yes, and
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  Speaker 3: look at the head of them. They're like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't he be heading up the beef tribunal? The kid
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  Speaker 3: doesn't do what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: The adult entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the crowd will be mildly humored at best,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like okay, and the kids like yeah, yeah, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: now if you put his legs and these stretches, Tom.
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  Speaker 3: They're not the only children to show up on the
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  Speaker 3: Lately Toy Show. Not just the kids to come out
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  Speaker 3: and read books and poked watches and play with Sylvanian families.
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  Speaker 3: You also have the performers, my.
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  Speaker 2: Man, the Billy Barry kids. They every year, Billy Barry
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  Speaker 2: every year. Billy Barry is a long running, long institution
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  Speaker 2: of dance in Dublin. Billy is a woman. I think
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  Speaker 2: I could I could be wrong. Billy was now she was.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think she bought the pharma.
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  Speaker 3: Don't I think she's still with us. Second, I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: a Jamie on this one here. Billy Barry was because
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  Speaker 3: I actually what a legacy.
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  Speaker 2: I rehearsed in a studio and I remember it was
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  Speaker 2: for a play. I did a one man play. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember being actually taken aback by the mirror. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was like the Billy Barry.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, do you know?
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  Speaker 2: There was a moment of not just nostalgia, but almost
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  Speaker 2: like a wow moment, even though nobody was around. Our
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  Speaker 2: show was a much bigger production, but there was the
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  Speaker 2: child in me went, oh, it's anonymous with the toy show.
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  Speaker 2: I love the toy show Billy Barry, the Billy Barry Kids,
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  Speaker 2: and they were I don't know what age you tap
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  Speaker 2: out a well literally tap they were.
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  Speaker 3: They were top one edge go but they were danced.
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  Speaker 3: The Billy Barry Kids was like a dance academy and
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  Speaker 3: it was one of these in every channe in Ireland.
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  Speaker 3: Now like you send the kids to song and dance classes,
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  Speaker 3: but back in the eighties not so much. But Billy Barry,
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  Speaker 3: I want to say she had the toy show sewn
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  Speaker 3: up because all the dancers that came out that night
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  Speaker 3: were Billy Barry Kids down, locked down. She had it
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: and now they try and spread it out among Okay,
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  Speaker 3: here's some kids singing from Skull Navy Fossy like some.
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  Speaker 2: That's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: So so it's a it's a lot, but what you
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  Speaker 3: would always get as well, then say okay, and here's
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  Speaker 3: a young lady from prem and she's twelve years of age.
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  Speaker 3: She's been practicing piano since she was in utero, like
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  Speaker 3: she had piano lessons in the womb. And here she
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: comes to blast out Rockman and I was fifth or something,
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  Speaker 3: and like she'd be like bombing and your mom and
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  Speaker 3: dad turned around. You go like, look at that were
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  Speaker 3: playing piano. So when did you ever sit me down
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  Speaker 3: in front of a piano?
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  Speaker 2: There was what do you want me to do?
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  Speaker 3: What I should? I feel bad now I can't play piano.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've done in real I say, recent years,
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  Speaker 2: the last maybe a dozen years. What they'll do is
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  Speaker 2: they'll have the kid say that the kid is playing
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  Speaker 2: you know the season. You know, they'll play Harper that
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  Speaker 2: played the violin or something, and then like you know,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Rio will walk up behind them, yeah or you know.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the greatest of all times, there was
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  Speaker 2: a kid, the round the faced kid, and he was singing,
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, what were they? Girls? Allowed? Were they? This
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  Speaker 2: kid was singing like this little boy was singing the
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  Speaker 2: girls you know, you know the tune, right, He's singing
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  Speaker 2: his heart out. Not the greatest singer of the all time,
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  Speaker 2: but he's given a sos. He's been cheered on by
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  Speaker 2: a very awkward tobbody going that it's bloody grutt and
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  Speaker 2: the kid is like, yeah, hear me, man, and girls
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  Speaker 2: allowed to come out behind the kids, and he just
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: melts into a puddle, but not in the kind of
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  Speaker 2: a that's adorable. He just like you don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he's going to murder them or run through and like
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  Speaker 2: a diz like an that can be shaped hole in
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  Speaker 2: the wall.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, girls allowed shown up behind you is a lot
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  Speaker 3: for any man's say. Just turn around. There they are
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  Speaker 3: and I hardly working open on.
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  Speaker 2: Their and it's it's me being tough here now going Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I would have played the cool I would have
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  Speaker 2: my glasses head would have fell off.
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  Speaker 3: I forget about it. No, I don't forget about it.
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  Speaker 3: I have descended into an elephant's foot like the reactor
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  Speaker 3: in Chernobyl.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a there was another one and it.
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  Speaker 3: Was that's that's on the subject, Tom. That's a new thing.
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  Speaker 3: Surprise guests from celebrities that just rock up like a
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  Speaker 3: cheer and will show up, or some of the Irish
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: rugby stars will show up. That is a new thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's a new thing. Like Robbie Kean is show up
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  Speaker 3: and you can tell it. They go backwards from it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, what celebrity can we get Robbie Keane? Okay,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: can we get some football stuff out here and get
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: a couple of kids kick.
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  Speaker 2: And keep you up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and don't.
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  Speaker 3: Keep you up. And out of the ten of them,
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: who likes Robbie Keane the most? You all right' so
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  Speaker 3: on your your on camera and we kick a ball around.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: Who's your favorite footballer Robbie Keane? Well, what do you know, Seamus?
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  Speaker 3: Here he is Robbie Keane comes out.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what? How sick? And would you be
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  Speaker 2: if you were the kid that was brought on? We'll
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  Speaker 2: say to you know, fucking again, play the violin or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: play the piano and you're you're gonna'd be great to
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  Speaker 2: Hosier shut up time here, you know whatever? And he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: They just give him around. Applause, Thanks very much, very good.
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  Speaker 2: Back to the Iron Islands, which you now all the best.
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  Speaker 3: Well here you're a big fan of Hosier? Yes, I
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  Speaker 3: am me too big for them?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody sign absolute sign they do they There's a tradition
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  Speaker 2: that still goes every single year. And every single episode
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  Speaker 2: I was did warm up for and none of them
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  Speaker 2: were the Christmas one, but every episode somebody shouted this
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  Speaker 2: at me and I made a point to absolutely burrate them,
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  Speaker 2: but they would shout one for everybody in the audience.
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  Speaker 3: This is a big thing.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: And it goes around the year. It'll be you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have a hamper from McBride's hardware. We might pop
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  Speaker 2: up every so often throughout the year, but come the
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: end of the year and the late late there is
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  Speaker 2: just one after another after and there's one for everybody
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  Speaker 2: in the audience. Whatever toy or whatever thing they're talking
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  Speaker 2: about or do you know, they'll be able.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: I remember Gayborne, God rest his soul, but he'd be
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  Speaker 3: playing buzz off with like some contenders and they or
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: playing hungry Hippos or some shit like that. And turn
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: around and there's one for everybody in the audience, and
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: everybody you get like hungry hung papers. But now it's
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: just like after Keatley reaching into his wallet and counting
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: our cash and going like, I've got seven hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventy euro and we're splitting it even among everybody in
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  Speaker 3: the house. It's just like handing out goodies.
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  Speaker 2: What else are you supposed to do with that stage
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  Speaker 2: because no, everybody, That's why everybody's looking for a ticket.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: They're not coming to see.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: They just want they just want to want to clean.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see also in the the RT bar
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: beforehand they are open for an hour beforehand, and they
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: just people light it up. People do light it up.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: The amount of people that just about hold it together.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: See the big red heads and them like sitting there
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: going christ and come Christmas. They're like when I'm at
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: the Christmas toy show, of course, and it's the mid afternoon.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: These kids are being recorded in mid afternoon, like so
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: it's just just enough.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Where you're going. Somebody could flash. Somebody could flash. It
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: can happen at the time show, but the nothing never does.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: But no, nothing ever does. And of course then they
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: have they give away a bunch and then they have
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: a very it's a strange parade of kids driving vehicles
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: vehicular toys through the fuck yeah. And then at the
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: end of it all ago all of them are from
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Ken Black or whoever and Smith's Toys and you go
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: and they're all being given to charity. And it's like
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: this rounds off the evening well fair place. Jesus Christ,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: do you know because they do these day? I don't
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: know if they always give that much away to charity?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Did they more and more here giving U stuff, giving
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: stuff away? You know, they meant to spend on slipper
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: fresh and RTE time, they can afford to give a
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: few things away here and there, and you just got
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: to be back in a bit of favorable at all,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: regardless of tom Okay. So all that being said, this
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Friday tomorrow evening after podcast goes, will you be setting
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: up to watch the title? I? I more to the point,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: does your young lad care? Has it has? Has it
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: lost the generation?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Well? Ironically and coincidentally, I'll be in Dublin doing the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: gig and he do you know, I am I thrown
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: on the Sunday and see what WA feels about it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: He'll Yeah, for sure, he's still he's still a little
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: little for staying up.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: He's five. No, he does not get beyond seven o'clock.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: He's he runs the wheels off himself, anywager like I mean,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: he is down to the axles, come by passive.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, start walking the walks a good game. Yeah,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I'm getting like that myself. I had to make that myself, is.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Christ I'll give it a look to see what he thinks.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: For nostalgia's sake. But given the onslaught on YouTube.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Kids unboxing and all this kind of crash and.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Ship that is just makes it into actually holds some
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: shows like he loves this thing about this whole family thing.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: There were roofs or whatever. But they will just lateantly
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: just go and by the way, while we're here, these
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: nerve guns are souper and they would just do this
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: unbelievable four k you know, closing twenty five, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds of them loading a nerf gun, they immediately
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: turn to go, I need a nerve gun, like Jesus, a.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Nerve gun commared to me, I get you, I get you,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I get you. My two now are will be up
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: for the ti shle tomorrow or tomorrow night as this
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: records tomorrow, as this goes out, what the hell am
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I talking about? They haven't in years one by given
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: to part. But again they will be sleepy, and that
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: even will be sleepy and and and as you say yourself,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: it's just not a thing, because it's I'm like, come
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: watch the Tight show. It's like an incredibly long unboxing
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: video on YouTube hosted by a man that doesn't really
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: look like he wants to be there with a bunch
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of incredibly awkward kids that you've no investment whatsoever.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they what did we what did we have? In
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the way when you see a toy you get the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: smith's catalog or whatever. You get the local toyshop catalog
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: at best I ad best, and you might get a
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: look of a toy shop three times in the year.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So to see them on full display on Telly, he
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: was like Christ Now, like I said, he's watching his
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: wolf Pack program and there's gujitsu's left, right and center.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Do you know, He's like, Dad, this fellows just got
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a shark head, but he's also got two knives for hands.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: What you think. I'm like, no, no, but we can
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: make him ourselves and fill him up with our own
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: good goo and and put a cap back on him
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and bust him then off the ground. I'm like, no,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you wrecked every gujits you've gotten you and the top.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, the more I hear, the more I hear
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: of a gujitsu, I want one.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: They're not bad. Actually, stress yaks, they're not bad. They'll
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: got me bastards. But when you see the price of
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: these stupid like, no, you keep running these oaks into
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the ground. I'm sorry, son, you need you need to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: learn how to preserve them or.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Well, there you go. There you go, folks, If you
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: have any special memories of the Toy Show, don't care
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to yourself share them with the Tom and Jerry Show.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: This is a very festive month. There is no more
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: festive month, Thomas, December for christ sake.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It's true. And I do you know, I mean, I've
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: taken heat of what you said and of last week's episode,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and we we we started putting up decorations, but they're
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: nearly nearly all up as a result of yesterday and
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the way I just kind of put just pulled, pulled
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the band aid off and just go back into this past.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Every time she herself, we have a couple of tea.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I'm no, this is getting done. I'm gasping for tea.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm starving hungry, but I'm up a letter and this
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: ship is getting done.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I'm up a ladder, hand me something. Yeah. Fair play
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: to you, Tom, And we are even decorating the Tom
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and Jerry Show for December. For the month of December.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: We're kind of trying and keep it as festive as
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: we can. We've just talked to you about the Late
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Late Toy Show, and then we move into the second
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: segment of the show where we always discuss this ladden,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: that ladden, the other lad, but particularly this lad.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Now there's that guy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I do love this letter you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: And we are going to talk about this that here's
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: what we're gonna do to keep it fest if Tom.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Rather than it be like you know, somebody that showed
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: up during the week or whatnot, We're going to take
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: a look at some people that are synonymous with Christmas,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: people that have become this lad's down through the years.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know? Like as if you'd see him somewhere
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and you go off, you'll never unseen him, you know
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: what I mean, He's just been he'd been burnt in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: your memory as the Christmas guy at some stage. Only
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like Jean Geen Wilder, I will never I saw so
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: many amazing movies, blazing sets, and all I see is
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Willy Wonka Christmas time, Christmas, That's all I saw.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: You know, Well, we wanted it, we wanted it, We
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: wanted a deep dive a little bit more, Tom, because yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: there are people like Jean Wilder and Willy Wonka or
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Bruce Willison die Hard or you know what do you
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: call that? Other fucking TIFFs nobody likes anymore. Chevy Chase
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: In National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, RK McCauley called, Okay, so
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: we know all those guys, those are like the staffs
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of the movies. We want to just kind of take
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: a look at someone a little bit more in the background,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: but when you see him, you're like, okay, yeah, this lad.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: So we're going to do a semi deep dive autobiography,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: a shallow dive, if you will, Tom, A shallow dive.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You just stick it in under the water and have
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a cander go blow a.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Couple of bubbles, and now you come into the life
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: of Alexander good enough, Tom, Alexander goodenough? Ring any bells?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: What what does Christmas spills? Because we it only does,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it only does, And i'd I was in the same
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: boat as everybody else is going about three or four
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: months ago when we just started talking about this guy
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: on on chat and Jesus Chris. First of all, great
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: name alex and.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I looked it up Tom. I had to double check
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: to make sure it wasn't Alexander Godinov, you know, because
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that sounds more like how it's spelled. But no, good enough,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: as in, yeah, good.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Enough, good enough and That's what he was in his
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: own he was good enough.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Now I got enough, We'll tell the people who he is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Alexander good enough. We've better known to most of you
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: as ah In I heard.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And if you wonder who Carl is, You're like, what
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: you want is Carl the computer guy? No? He was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: so if Alan Rickman was well, you know, flying backwards
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: off the nackatomy. He was the long blonde haired guy,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the muscle who was going around with the M sixteen
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: everywhere or the Uzio. It was Uzzi's dad, wasn't it
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He's going around?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It was a Tom was it? Was it?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Fair?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Fair one of the only guns I've ever held in
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: my life. Yeah, he was Carl Carlyn die heard was
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: what are you gonna We're gonna say, like, who was he? Tom?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: He was the guy. He was the six foot one,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: flaxen haired, chiseled out of rock super model lad that
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: was blowing lads and half left right inside, the ultimate
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Betty that guy, ultimate bad guy.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: He was never going to be in like, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a Hallmark movie the following week where it's like, you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: he's the mechanic in the small village where he wants
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: garbags down and she's like, oh my god, yeah, I
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: can't get reception. You could stay here for the weekend
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: if you want.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: You know, you're just home to clear out your dead
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: mom's old habitasherie and you fall across a magic hash
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and yeah, no, not the guy. Never But look, here's
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: what puts him into this guy. Okay, so we all
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: know him fair enough, But it was twelve lads stormed
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Nacatomy towers that night. Tom, why are we talking about
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Alexander god Nov. Well, he's got a hell of a story,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: cracking story, a cracking story, and we want to crack
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: into that here. Now, a Russian man, don't you know
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: who was born in nineteen forty nine? On what day? Tom?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Go on?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Was it Christmas Day?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: No? It wasn't. Sorry, it was November twenty eighth, my birthday.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: By god, I share a birthday with this guy. How
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: about that? I only learned that today?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Good enough.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: That's the research what you do in the Tom and
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Jerry show. And what brought him to the dance more
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: than anything else was he was a ballet dancer. And Tom,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he was a ballet dancer. He was
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the ballet dancer was the guy.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: He was the Michael Flatley, the primo. I suppose their primo,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: aren't they when they're in when they get to the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: top pop, top of the pops? When in Russia the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: primo ballerinas, aren't they.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I tried to figure that out one day, because I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: know it's like the prima ballerina is the prima ballerina,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So obviously the prima ballerina is the prima. No. No,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he was the premiere dancer.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Jesus right, But did you know when you say that,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: then you look at him. You could absolutely see him
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: stomping around in his limpsules and his tights around you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a mirrored walls in the bar, you know, screaming at people.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And because he had an intense look about him. So
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: he was actually perfect for the road. But now if
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: they actually, you know, did a male black Swan or whatever,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: he would have been perfect. He was the guy because
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: he just has a hardened look about him.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's video any Here's the thing, there's
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: video of him dancing. There's any amount of video of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: him dancing. Tom It's not like it's hidden footage or
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: renting like that. We're so used to seeing him, probably
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: after John MacLean and Acatomy Plaza, But when you see
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: him in his just gonna call it what it is,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: in his ballet get up and it's quite what can
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I tell you? It doesn't leave much of the imagination
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: at times, snug is what I'm saying, Like you're just like, oh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: it's a bit of a disconnect, like well, it was
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Carol dancing and then he does these big four foot
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: leaps and pirouettes and absolutely I don't know much about
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: ballet Tom, but he appears to be very good at it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Do you know when you get to that level like
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: they take, it's it's almost there's people pooh pooh, you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: communist regimes and whatnot. But one thing, one thing they
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: turn out well, whether it be the people's probably China,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you know, the the Soviet Union back in the day.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: They turn out athletes I with like on you see,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they're not bridled by the kind yeah health and safety
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: regard for any human pain levels or anding. They will
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: grind you into dust until they find an absolute belter.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how many top end dancers probably
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: had to die for Carl to be found you know
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like because genetically he's probably been you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: straight iven drag oood out of the well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Not for nothing like that is it? He was molded
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: into shape. And as best as I can tell, again, Tom,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a lot about what I learned about the man's ballet career,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I learned it today. But he's an anomaly in dancing.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: He's six foot one. Not standard for male ballet dancers.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: They tend to be short or sort of not little
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: jockey dudes, but they don't tend to be like six
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: foot one with hair all day in their back. Getting
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the vapors here for Carl from Diehard any rate? Tom,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Like I said, there's a shallow dev So we're going
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: to give you the cliffs notes of this and you
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: can help me out a little bit with this. Okay. Yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So he is the guy, okay, and he is dancing
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: in the Russian ballet because like you know, there's ballet
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: and the Russian ballet that's it. Like you know, it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: like there's barbers and there's Turkish barbers, you know what
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like these are the guys.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: There's actually like a docu film on him from ninety Yeah. Absolutely, yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that's when we get to that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And we'll get to that in a little second. Don't
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you worry, don't you worry about that. But we have
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: to get to why Yeah, we get to all that.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, right, he spent the seventies just becoming
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the absolute guy, like he is a megastar. Like even
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: for non ballet fans, they might know him, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: and it'd be the kind of thing like I don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: know many pianists, for example, We turn around go like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: what about that Penis over there, like, oh, ye, actually
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I have heard of him, or I don't know many
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: opera singers, well you know Andrea, but you actually I
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: do know him. Like that's the level this dude was at.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And on tour,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: he was on tour in America with the with the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: with the Bolshoi Ballet and they went on tour to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: New York City in nineteen seventy nine, and that's when
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Alexander Goodnow defected to the USA. Now, Tom, I have
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a question for you. Go ahead, what no ye of
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: defection because I don't know much myself.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: When in recent times it's been it's gone in the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: other direction. Where people have defected to Rosia. But yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I think like.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It's just it's not just emigrting, Okay, it's not just
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: putting up your hands and saying I'd like to live
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: in American life, because you've got to remember the USA
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and then Soviet Union, not piles at the time.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: No, No, Afghanistan was under was under the horizon and whatnot,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: and the Cold War and all the rest of it
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and the definite they call it the Cold War. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: things were saucy enough between the two. But I suppose, well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: from what I know of watching several several hundred clandestine
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: movies and TV shows and everything, I have a pretty
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: uar punch on for this kind of stuff. It's typically
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I would imagine this scenario. He didn't just walk up
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to the embassy. WHOA, how are you guys doing? Cold
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: as fuck out right? Listen, I need to use John.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: You know I can't potry indigence. I could pop me clo.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I want to move to America. Well, you have blue
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: jeans and Coca Cola, and you know Jordy Springer. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: would imagine. I would imagine, and this is no who who?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: This is Nobo? They he would have been an unbelievable
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: asset for the CIA to approach well.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: As best as I can figure it out, as best
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: as I can figure it out. Defection isn't just moving over.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It is pledging allegiance to the other side. It's not
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: just saying I want to live in America. It's saying
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: America is better than Russia. I don't want to live
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: over there. I want to play with you guys. Okay.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: It's like a Man United player signing for Man City.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It's not just that kick a ball around with them.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: They're not over and loan. It's it's a formal declaration
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that Russia fucking sucks and America number one. And for
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: a high profile guy like Alexander Godnov to do that,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: the Americans welcomed them with open arms, like yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Corse did it, alex Fors did it, because you look
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: at it on so many levels, this was their this
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: was their boy, you know, yeah, he was the lead
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: at the time.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: What's your name, Alexander goodenough? Okay, we're just going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: call you a buck. Yeah, you come over here.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Because he so the.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: KGB war and this is the thing, Tom, The KGB
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: weren't just incensed. Like you know, it's enough to say
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: the KGB were involved. Like this was high profile international news.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: This would have showed up in the Irish Times that
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Alexander goodnow premiere dancer of the Russian Ballet, has defected
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to America in like the absolute bubbling up of the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighties Cold War.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Like Ciga, like Steven Siga. Basically, you know, this exact
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: same profile, loved by Americans and turned his back and went,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you know, with with.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah when he went the other way. Yeah, sorry, but
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: here's the thing, come right, Yeah, Alexander Goddon of came
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on over lovely to see their buddy. Okay, Yeah, the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: problem was his wife, Ludmiller less and I am definitely
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: butchering that buddy.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I think she'll be okay with it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ludmilla herself, his wife was in America at the time,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: and the Russians got onto the ballet and they got
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: her ass on a plane promptly, Jesus, they whipped her
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: up and got her on. And it's a little gray
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: as to as to as to you know, did he
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: wander off down the agency and defect by himself, had
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: they had roused where they were they, you know, estranged
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: at the time, but they were married. And then all
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: of a sudden he is defected to the USA and
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: her asses on a plane back to Moscow. And that
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: plane sat on the runway for three days. Now I've
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: been on a plane for you know, a little while,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: but it sat there. It wasn't allowed to take off.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Russians wanted to back release airplane. You're holding airplane, you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: air traffic controller. So sorry, that plane is just not
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: taken off. The whole thing lasted for three days. The
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: presidents of the President Jimmy Carter at the time, had
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to get involved to sort this ship out with Alexander
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Goodnow's wife sitting on a plane and was eventually allowed
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: take off. It was such a big incident at the time,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Tom that it itself had a movie made about it
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: before Carol Ever showed up and die Harder and like that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Flight two two two was film released in the eighties
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: about Alexander Gooden of defecting to America and he's missus
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: trying to get out of JFK on a plane. That's
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: how big a noise this was before this man Ever
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: shot at some sweet.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Like and here's the thing did she like? Was she
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: like fucking this like they have no brop gavia, I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: fucking feel like absolute ton of walking around this place.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody's ugly? Or was she? Or the two walking down
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Fifth Avenue and he's like, oh my god, look at
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: this beautiful dress. I would get through it. And then
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: he turns around and there's like, I know, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a GMV van pulls up the side with the door
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: swinging open, and a couple of back of clavit lads
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: just yoiker into the fucking back of it life.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to tell you, Tom don't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: What I do know is they never saw each other
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: ever again. She went back to Russia. They divorced in
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: two years without contact. They got divorced through some you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: skypey kind of figure up and and and she lived
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: in Russia until now she's still alive. She's ready two,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: living a Moscow, rocking and rolling Jesus.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Because I would have thought her fringernails would being pulled
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: out just to get him back.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Like I would have thought that as well. It was
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: like you know, you listen, lid Miller, you sit down there,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: you get on the phone. Alex Bok as they call
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: him these days, and you get his ass back here.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Not to be the case, Not to be the case.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Right, so she just like what I suppose, you're
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: probably a strong minded maverick and his ego is probably
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: through the roof. I don't need to take this shift
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: from fucking anybody.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: This this, this is it, Tom, This is it because
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: alex Now he he fell in with a lady called
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Jacqueline Bessett who he married, and she's like, she's like
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: famous by herself, you know, she's like an actress onto herself.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: But you know, uh, they got married and and and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and he went on a big tour in the eighties.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: So it was like, I don't know, but it was
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like Alexander good Enough Ballet without the Russian Alexander good Enough.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Finally me, you know, it's a it's a it's a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: but that itself was that became its own docu drama,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that became its own He had his own Netflix special
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: if you call it, Alexander Goodenough the world to dance.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Jesus, So he before flatly ever stood on.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Us, before anything before there was a lord of the dance.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: There was a you know, Sarah the Shindig.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it was this dude.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: And all this like this is nineteen eighty two. It
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: was like when he got when he finished dancing and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: book lapping around the place and being an international man
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: in mystery that he turned around and said, Okay, maybe
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: i'll uh, maybe I'll have a go at acting, And
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: everybody was like yeah, absolutely, because remember they were putting
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: mister T in movies at this stage. It wasn't that
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: you were a good actor and like that. I was
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: just like, you've got a high profile. People know you,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: people know who you are. Let's get you in here.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: That's how watch McCollum. Darthan. Lundgren was just like a
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: male model when he got in for Rocky four.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had no real interest. He was he'd gotten
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: his degree in chemistry or something, and highly intelligent fellow
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was just like, no, you're all type away at this
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and then before you know you get rolled into it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But you think you think though after the wife getting
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: heading back defected to America, you think you would move,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you know, move my fucking as to Idaho and opened
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a small dance to keep head down. Say you no
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: think grow fat, grow old and just enjoy America. Nah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: This guy was just going, I'm here now, let's fucking tour,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Come on baby through.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, I didn't the fact for nothing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: We're going, Yeah, we're going because with that being said,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I'd say, you know you're doing it for the greater
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: good of Mother Russia. He wasn't making a fucking bean,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I guarantee yet, what's the patent? While he's over there,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: he's looking around, going, hold on your support dancers here
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: tonight you're opening act. How much you make? Yeah?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you make one.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty five dollars ahead for just one show,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and you're not. I am a big man. I am
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: main man of show, and nobody pay me nothing. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: do this for motor Orussia.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of beach, he's chatting, is chattingman going like Tony
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Danza getting how much for episode of Who's the Boss?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Silver Spoon? I could be Silver Spoon?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I could be boss. So but he got his first
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: he got his first acting role in in a Hollywood
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: picture and a show called a movie called Witness. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: you've seen Witness for like yeah, uh and uh he
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: was And I honestly swear to God, like if you
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: were at all blonde and kind of Scandinavian looking. You're
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: in witness if you're anywhere near blonde and Scandinavian looking,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: because this dude's in it. V Mortenson's in it as well.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: You know, anybody that looked even like that was right. Okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: stick them in here. We need a couple of Amish
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: lads here. Get them in there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It's a funny. It's funny the trend of baddies, isn't it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Like there was the trend of the you know, the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: German Germanic Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, Russian looking
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: guy for a while, and then there was the you
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: know you from the Middle like there's a there's a
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: great he was in a great movie called Once for
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Warriors and he turned up in a yeah, yes, actually
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a Maori guy. Yeah, but he got so many gigs
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: as like you know, Middle East, the Turrorist and you're like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and he was he was laughing about it. I's an interview,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: but they going I take it. I guess I suppose
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that's a Maori. I look a paint like it might,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and I can do an excellent and.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: What he's his name's Cliff Cortus and he's in he's
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: in the Last Fast and Furious movie. He's just playing
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: a Samoan And I'm like, okay, I'm pretty sure I
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: saw you as an Iraqi dude there last week, and
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I saw you as a Mexican in Trading Jay and
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: all this kind of crack, and you know he nearly
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: said trading places there, but yeah, so yeah, the year
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it was like, where are you from Russia? Sounds like
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: an Armish dude to me? And you go. And then
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: he was in the money pit. He was like, Tom, Yeah,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: he's in the money. He was like, Tom Hanks is
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: like love rival in the money pit. Yes, that's quite
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: that's quite a that's quite a swing from Alexander god
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Enough to Tom Hanks. So you know, Hanks wins out
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: in that one, regardless, And that is when he became.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty eight, the Henchman's Henchman Carl a little
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: movie called die Hard, which plays on our screens every Christmas. Two.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to get into whether it is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: or it isn't a Christmas movie, but amazing that a henchman,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: not since the Bond days did a good henchman. You
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, get get the lime light the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you know the limelighted served from Jaws to an odd job,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: do you know? He was the odd job of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of the modern day, like Carol everybody, Cull.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Karl was the guy from there on out. He was
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the henchman to beat. And I don't believe Tommy's ever
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: really been topped in the role And he could never
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: really top himself in the role because look at the
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: three roles that he got there. Told me he was
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: an Amish farmer in Witness, he was like a if
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I remember correctly, he was like a cellist or something.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: In Money Pit. He was some sort of hyphalutin you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: member of an orchestra in You Play What You Know?
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: And then he's an international terrorist slash criminal in die Hard.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: So okay. Then he turned around and said, what else
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: have you got for me? I don't just want to
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: play you know, musicians and terrorists and farmers. Fortunately, that's
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: all anybody had an offered on.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I let this scan down through all IMDb there and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: quite a lot we're showing up. Yeah yeah, we're going
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to need to put you at the beddy in this.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Semn need you to be on the opposing side, and
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: he turned down more work than he took Tom. He
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: didn't want to be type Caty was one of these
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: guys going, no, I want to. I want to. By
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: all accounts, I read an interview with him or or
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: or a sort of a a sit down talk about him,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and he was there. He would get to the point
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: where he'd be offered roles and he would turn around
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and go like, why are they making this film at all?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Why is this movie even a thing? There's nothing of
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: this that's entertaining for anybody. Like it's not that I
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: don't want to be in it. I don't think it
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: should be made. What are you people doing?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And want to behold steel mcnodia's still got fucking made.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: But that was it eventually, Like you know, he ended
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: up taking a couple of bits and pieces and job
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: work here and they are just for money, which he spent. Tom.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: It must be said almost exclusively on drink.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah that can that can happen. Mother Russia was probably calling, going,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you're a waste of time. You're fucking going to fill
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: over there. You're bullshit with old Mother Russia. You should
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: have stayed here. You'll be king we give you pals,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: You fucking idiot. You go to these a millium, these
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: capitalist pigs. Watch it. Just trust me, it will ah
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: shiit the bid you're building. Kestle's on, Send Kestle's on,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Send this, I tell you, I tell you, Alex and
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Lo and behold the poor old devil. Yeah. Yeah, he's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: a good man.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: That car.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: But sure look it.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: He had death tom in nineteen ninety five, so a
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: mere seven years after we saw him as Carl in
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: die Hard. He got a debt that I wouldn't wish
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: on anyone. Or he was dead for some time before
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: anybody found him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He was
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: dead for several days by the time they landed on him.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: But for all intents purposes, there were several health issues
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: out there are always ins and situations like this, that is,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it's this health issue and that health issue. But all
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: kind of boiled back to the drink.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was wondering how long you know, I mean,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: was there a protective cover on him for a while?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Because it to got into the movies is rightly sticking
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: your fingers up. But Russia, like, isn't it going? Like
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I said, he could have kept the head down, moved
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the fucking Utah, he didn't. He got into some of
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the biggest movies that were released in that year, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: so everybody knew his story. I wondered at some point
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that they go, we have to kill him, we have
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to kill him.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: You Reckon, he got you, Reckon, he got to You
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: know what I want to tell you. The only Russian
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: thing that killed this man was vodka. Tom.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It's true. It's through the yeah, you know.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: But then again, maybe like they just maybe they maybe
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that was their plan all along. They got him. They
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: got him in the long run.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: They're not shy communistates. They're okay with playing the long game.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: As we know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, don't you worry, American capitalist society will crush
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: tender Alexander Gordon of He'll turn to the vodka. You
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: wait and see, and wait and see did And that
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: is the somewhat sad tale, somewhat sad tail, Tom incredibly
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: sadden eventful tale of Alexander Gooden of this week's This Lad.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Proper Merry Christmas Day sled. You know, if you can
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: see the thread that we're trying to tie around it there,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: but it's definitely a Christmas he tie into that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and you know what I'm going to tell you, Carl,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: it must be said. Ah, and I'm going only by
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: the diehard here a handyman in a row.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Do you know what they say? Dancers some of the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: best when they turn the box and stuff like that,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: because their cardo is outrageous. Once they can learn to land.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: If you pause, are never going to get the better
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: big long limbs on the bastard A good a good lad,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it would seem a good Well.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, Tom, I'm no dancer, but I
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: can pick a round my head in two days. Don't stop.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's only fair that we pick a row.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I know we're here's.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: You you you you, you have got a you know what? What?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: What can I say? Tom? You've got something to wrong
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: about right now, don't I do?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And I do, And I'm sure it's gonna come up
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: at certain points. I know you used to do a
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: bit about this and it never really landed. So I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: just parked in my dard.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm telling it wrong, but I think the problem
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: was that too many people were on the other side
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of it, and maybe I was fighting up pill battle
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: even with audiences, which is never good.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Let's find out tom.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Let's ever, let's have a row. It's it gets to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that gets that point. I spent the evening prior to this.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I was late coming to this, but you could appreciate
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: my lateness because I was doing a blokey thing. I
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: was stuff in the living ship out of our bins
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: before they get collected in the morning. You know it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a blokie thing. I did that pain in my whole
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: four degrees outside, bits of out styrofoam from everything we've
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: went back in the house hit me in the eye.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: These are things you suffer as a bloke. I can
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: only speak for a bloke because that's all I am.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: But when when I see blokes who are in recent
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: years reverting regressing into toddlersms like, okay, grand player games
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: if you have to, that's fine, but please Jesus could
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: just stop going out in public dressed like your two
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: year old. And you might go, what are you talking
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: about that, I'm not wearing pepper pee, I'm not wearing
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: its fucking track suitstir and tracksuits.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: You see you come at you come at me in Christmas. Yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: asking asking me to wear a belt, a belt in
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: pair of trousers, Thomas that one for and far Seacher.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: They are rules. They're just rules to be in a bloke.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And if you want to be taken seriously listen, walk
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: around the house and whatever you want, I don't care,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: walk even to the end of your garden when whatever
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you want. But if you're going to be out and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: about in public, Jesus Christ.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let me let me, let me, let let
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: me let me break this down Tom all right, Okay,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: so I noticed this happening, and I noticed it happening
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: with myself. All right, Okay, So I would always always
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: had like track suits, and what I would wear them
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: is and I'm going back to like when I was
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a young fell right, Yeah, and I would wear them
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: around the house. But you didn't wear them outside the house. Okay.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: You wore them to pee, Yeah, you wore them to
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: pee at cool and that was it. Okay, Yeah, sweatpants,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: jogging pants, tracksit, bottoms, whatever you want to call them.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: And indeed tracksuit tops, right, that was the thing that
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: you wore, you know, around the house of a Saturday.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: You didn't wear it to you didn't wear it. If
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you were going someone, you didn't wear it as you
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: as you as you grew up, and you went into town,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: you didn't wear it into town. You put on your trousers,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: your jeans, your slacks, your cords, whatever it will be.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Shorten the jacket in a way edge n Yeah. Even
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: if you were going into the shops, you wore proper clothes.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: And if you were going to work, I'm gonna tell
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: you that again. If you were going to work where
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the work I was doing, you would wear jeans, working, trousers,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Yeah. It took me moving to
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Dublin and I was working in a place and everybody
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: around me was just wearing tracks bttoms And I was like,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: are you allowed wear tracks of bottoms here to work?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: And they kind of looked at me as if I say,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: what are you saying? You take culture? Fuck? Are you
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: allowed to wear tracksuit bottoms? But it is? It sounds
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: like she can wear tracks botoms And it was just
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: so alien to me that. And I went home and
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I told my then girlfriend now wife was like, you know, yeah,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I can wear tracks bottoms, so work tomorrow. She was like, yeah,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: but are you gonna. I was like everybody else is,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and I like comfort as much as the next man.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: And that is how I got on the slippery slope
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: of wearing traxy bottoms as it does.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And that's what it is. It's it's society is completely
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: with well. When I see fel like, I remember drawing
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: it down with a filled before and then I kind
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: of i'd know his brother like I was like, dude,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: you dressed like a fucking toddler. Kids wear that what
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: you're wearing.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And it's like they're a little wrong pursuity.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I will do you got? And he's like, no, this
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: is this is a good track. This will be good
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: tracks for wearing out about, Like you're not going into
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: a fucking track. You're not going you know what I mean?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: You don't work in a gym?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And it it was only a bloke the other day.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I was wearing just a pair of jeans and just
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a pair of boots and a pair like a check shirt,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: standard tom gear. And I swear to god, a bloke
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I know across the road and Jesus, what are you
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: all dolled up for? Time?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: What am I dolled up for? Git?
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: What How could you be anybody's boss unless it's a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: gym or you're a professional fucking's board star. How could
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you be How can you demand any kind of respect
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: out of somebody as you're standing there with your fucking
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: wang banging back and forth inside of the fucking trousers
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and you're belly hanging out underneath the fucking tracks, zip up,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and you're going here. We're gonna have to really push
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: forward the next next month because last month's you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: their takes for fun. You know what, You're dressed like
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: fucking you're going to a live poor patrol fucking show.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, get it?
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: No, you want you pass a certain age like fifteen sixteen.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: If sports aren't the top thing in your life, get it.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to just start dressing like a man.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry because okay, well, I'm not gonna We're not
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: going to go through occasion after occasion as to when
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: it is appropriate or not do those things. Okay. You
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: know I'm not gonna say, well, Tom, can I wear
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: tracks the bottoms while I'm walking my dog? You know
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I don't. We're not going to get into the nitty
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: gritty of it like that bear. What I will present
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: as a counter argument is I don't give a bollocks.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: So that no, So that's I think more than anything
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: that I that I can nearly live with that a bit.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: If you're so innately don't give a bollocks, I'm.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Somebody have somebody going, oh no, this is me good
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: tracksuit out. I'm like, no, there, no, that's oxymoron. There
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: is no good tracksuit.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: The tuxedo T shirt. Do you remember the Txedo T shirt?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: They were hilarious in their fucking irony. Do you know
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't have a good I don't have a
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: good tracksuit, but I have tracksuits thatarted to wear outside
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: the house out of shame. So so I guess that
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: maybe I do have some tracksuits are better than Here's
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: what I'll do, Tom, Okay, right, all all, all you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: all I ask for in this life is a little
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: bit of fucking comfort every now and then. Okay, So
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: if I have a commute to do, if I have
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: a long walk to do, if I have a place
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: to go, what I will do all the time, Tom right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: If I have to drive, If I have to drive
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: up north see Mom and Dad, and like that, that's
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: an hour of a drive. I'll put on my tracksuit
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: with track sit bottoms and I'll wear it up for
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: the drive, and when I get up there, I'll change
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: into a pair of jeans like a human being.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because exactly. And that's okay, right, that's fine. That's
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: fine because you're fully aware and you have prepared. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Like and and similarly, similarly, when I'm going to work,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: when I'm on the train, I have to walk from
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: here to the train. I have to get train is
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: a compenance at the best of times, all right, you know.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm not standing in a belt on a train
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: for an hour, not doing that, I'm sorry. But when
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I get to work, I'm not just going to be
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: cutting around and be tracking bombs going. All right, lads,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: what's the crack. I'll get to work and I'll call
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: on a pair of respectable looking slacks or what not.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: There's just that period between leaving the house and getting
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: to the other place where I'm like, I'm not being
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: any more miserable than I absolutely have to be.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: No, but that's what their purpose is do you see that,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: You're you're you're absolutely nailing it. That's their purpose, right,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: that's their purpose. But if I if I'm up in Dublin,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: right and I go jer up for the night, we
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: meet for a couple of pints and you rock in.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, I wouldn't go to a pub in
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: a pair if paratraxic exactly.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And if you wouldn't go to a fucking hope, you
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: wouldn't go to an interview, wouldn't try and be somebody's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: fucking boss, then you've given up on fucking life. If
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: that's all you wear everywhere all the time, you're.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Like, I will, okay, what I will say is this, Tom,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: I will go to the cinema wearing a.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Track sush fair enough, because you're gonna be sitting in
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: the in your fucking soup for a That's that I
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: see again, that's fine. But when I have a fella
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: walking down the fucking street and the opposite side going,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, what are you dressed up for?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: What all? Daldop, I'm not going to be going to
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: a job interview in a track suits. I will, I will,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I will agree that there's retirement place forever, but for everything.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: But I'm not going to put a blanket ban on
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: tracksuit wearing for grown ups.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: No, I look, I leave it. I'll leave if there
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: is I give. I can see that much me personally,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: not a lot. I'll wear shorts and stuff around the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: house if I need.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: It, But I'll I'll come into you. Now, Tom would
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: sort of like a.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Can you can you rephrase that as small?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: But I'll come into you, Tom.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: No, you're really quick. No you didn't even fucking you
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: didn't even offer dinner. Jesus Christ.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Ah, here it comes right o. God, go on, I'll
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: wear a tracks hit. I'll don't. Don't you worry about that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Here's a car. It's not even a counter argument. It's
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: sort of like a supplementary argument. And it's the thing
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: that I would place a blanket ban on the bell.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Don't wear a match on top and bottom tracksuit. Oh
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: this this is what where the bottoms is green and
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: the tops of green. Now that is a toddler tut.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: That's what this guy was telling me. This was He's good,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And I nearly puked on the pavement.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I I do not have
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: any sort of matching a leisure wear whatsoever. I might
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: have like a black pair of Traxy bottoms and a
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: gray hoodie. Like to me, that's tracksuit classy. But this
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: thing of like you know, and again, ladies, you're gonna
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: get it too. Here this thing of a lady wearing
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: like a purple Traxi top with purple Traxi bottoms. I'm sorry, no,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that's Barney.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, yeah, you're one hundred percent right, baby. But
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: you see the non matching. Isn't you trying to be
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm against the system of matching. It's you're
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: immediately going listen. Both these things are comfortable in their
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: own right, and whether if they go together or not,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. But to go out and
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: buy pull Kate Wenker and and you know, I don't know.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: What will you go out and buy black tracking bottoms
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: with a match in black tracksit top one, am I
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: fucking ninja? Come on?
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: But and all these fellows get caught out. And even
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: my fucking talk that they're all get caught out. I
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: meet them at you know, horpor gigs and stuff, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: they're like Jesus Christ at the borrow a pair of shows.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And you're like, what the fuck.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: All these lads are from Dublin?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I noticed, Tom, Listen, they're around here too. They're around
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: here too, But I do most of most of my
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: talking to these people in Dublin. But it was amazing,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Like you're going, dude, you're thirty fucking too, your father
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: or three? You get it together, man, If you don't
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: have a pair of shoe, you better focus thetart asking
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: yourself some questions. Do you know what I mean?
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: What do you do in a corporate gig?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: But this is the thing they got dragged in because
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know it's probably a you know, radiator company or
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: something like I'll take a you know me.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: If you and again, if you're hanging radiator on the wall, Okay,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: wear all the tracksuits you want.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: No put on your fuck snickers like a fucking workman.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Horses for courses. There's
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: places for things like.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Just is it horses for horses and reindeer for slaves? Tom,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: what can I say? If you are enjoying Christmas, feel
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: free to do so in a wonderful comfortable pair of
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: tracksuit bottoms and a comfy top. Don't wear to midnight masks,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: how about that.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but you can head home afterwards and much Diehard,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So all right, you're becoming if.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: You can enjoy it now that you know the sad
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: tale of Alexander got enough.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Well, look, he'll be Carol to me always. To be
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: honest with you, I don't want to think about Alexander
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: good enough because it's two sets of the story instead
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: of a story just happy to live in the Carol world.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: To be fair, it's a much happier story of Carl,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: the man who just wanted to make six hundred million
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: dollars for instead had to suffer for his brother being
• 57:11
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• 57:18
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• 57:21
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