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Geopolitical analyst Travis Karnes warns of Iranian sleeper cells and Russian divide-and-conquer strategy · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:14
  Welcome to another edition of Trevor Loud Reports on America Out Loud.
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  Today we've got a very interesting guest, a man called Travis Karnes.
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  He's uh been commenting a lot on um issues of national security.
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  He's clearly a deep student of the issue.
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  And he wrote a great piece recently on what could happen in America if the Iranian regime is in desperate straits.
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  And I believe it is in desperate straits right now, but we know there are multiple um networks operating in this country, planted by Iran since the 80s, just waiting for the word to go.
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  Will they be activated?
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  Will they stand down?
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  Will they create mayhem on our streets?
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  I don't know.
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  But um Travis has certainly um paid some attention to the issue.
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  Well, well, well, first of all, Travis, welcome and thanks for coming on.
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  My my pleasure, thank you for having me.
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  It's uh it's an honor to be on this podcast and to be able to talk with just amazing outstanding political geoanalysts such as yourself.
• 1:23
  Well, thank you for the kind words, and uh, you know, you're clearly a pretty deep student of the issue.
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  So um, can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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  What led you into this interest?
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  What kind of research do you do and and and what led you to what you wrote the other day?
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  Sure, I'll be I'll be glad to.
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  Um I've pretty much have spent my entire life studying history, military history, and the latter part of my teenage years, especially during the 9-11 era, uh, got me into studying uh geopolitical policy and uh national security with emphasis on Russia, China, and Islam.
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  Um that then allowed me to get into grassroots political activism, and it was through uh grassroots political activism that I was able to meet with some uh very affluential people.
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  Um I became very good friends with the political director to former presidential candidate Dr.
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  Alan Keyes.
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  Ah, yes, and it was uh through that friendship that his political director allowed me to become the editor of the Peace Through Strength Institute, which was just a little small think tank geared towards America's defense against internal external threats through the Ronald Reagan doctrine of peace through strength.
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  Excellent.
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  Yes, I I've met Alan on a few occasions and debated him, and uh yeah, he he understands communism, yeah.
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  He understands uh well, he he was one of the first guys to call out Obama for his Marxist background, which I'll always appreciate him for.
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  And so you looked at Russia and China, and a lot of people will try and tell you that Israel is a big threat, you know, Russia and China.
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  What are you talking about?
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  Um why do you why do you see Russia, China, and Islam as existential threats?
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  Where were some people just like the Tucker Carlsons of the world, don't even don't even seem to think they uh they measure up at all?
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  Yeah, that's that's very uh narrow-minded um assessments by Tucker Carlson.
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  Uh the Russia-China Axis uh goes right into the very early days of communism under Vladimir Lenin, uh Jan Trotsky, Joe Stalin.
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  It morphed more in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, where they jointly developed uh a core doctrine of destruction for Western civilization and Western hemisphere.
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  Um part of that doctrine included using components of radical Islam and Islamic fascism.
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  Um we saw this back in the 1970s with the Iranian revolution that was orchestrated and carried out by the Russian intelligence of the KBG.
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  Yes, yes, indeed.
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  Most people don't realize this, that it was the KGB, that the Mullers were brought to power, but it was the Iranian Tude Party, the Communist Party in the KGB that did most of the heavy lifting.
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  So when you say that Russia and China formed uh a sort of um plan or a program for the destruction of the West, what what do you mean by that?
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  And and and what evidence there is is there for such a plan?
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  Like uh I I thought they were just countries like us wanting to live and have great lives for their people.
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  Yeah, um well, the plan itself is implemented in multiple phases.
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  Um phase one of their plan is the scissors is the scissor strategy, which brings internal the divide and internal division and subdivision.
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  Phase two is the implementation of the clinch fiss strategy, which is both internal and external, and three is the conventional and kinetic phases, or i.e.
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  the red dime scenario.
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  The actual invasion of the continental United States.
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  Exactly.
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  So the scissors strategy, you're talking about the deliberate stoking of divisions within this country to create instability and even possibly civil war.
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  Is that what you're referring to?
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Uh, you you see this with the infiltration of both the far right and the far left and the info warfare aspects with with within that infiltration that is is carried out by both Russia and China, both internally and externally.
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  Yeah, well, I think this is a very key point, Travis.
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  Um we see an American conservative movement that's very divided.
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  We see an American society that's very divided, and it's been my contention for some time that this is absolutely being stoked and stirred up by the Russians primarily, but also by the Chinese.
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  Um so am I right in this that the Russians are heavily are really trying to stoke division within the United States.
• 6:58
  Oh, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  It's it's outlined in their in their key policy statements and in their in their key policy doctoral strategies.
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  So what what period were these pol so these what what documents are you referring to here?
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  What what um you know can you you can you quote uh uh a certain document or or uh is this a series of documents you're referring to, or or how does this work?
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  Yeah, um the original implementation was uh early developed back in the 1920s under Vladimir Lenin.
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  And then once Joseph Stalin uh became the head, the other thesis was developed.
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  Um there was a former Russian KBG uh defect by the name of Anthony Singolesin.
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  And he when he defected to the United States, he outlined this this core strategy that Russia had developed into very pivotal books.
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  Number one was New Lies for Old, and number two was Pedestroika deception, which is which is their code word for deceiving and and duping the West into destruction.
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  Well, uh I'm glad you bring those books up, actually, because I've been a huge um advocacy advocate for Galitzin for many years, and he was a defector, a top KGB defector in the early 60s.
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  Uh James Angleton, the head of head of CIA counterintelligence championed him, and he came up, he posited that the Soviets had come up with a new strategy starting in the early 60s.
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  Um that under Shalipin, I believe it was, that would be a huge series of strategic deceptions against the West.
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  Um part of it would be a collapse of communism, part of it would be a fake split between China and Russia and many others as well.
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  But the in the result of this would be that the United States and Western Europe would be gulled, would be lull lulled into a false sense of security then when we are weak enough, the Russians and Chinese would join together to destroy us.
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  And I mean destroy us physically.
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  So is do you have a similar understanding to of Galitson's thesis that I seem to?
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  Yes, very much so.
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  And so where are we now?
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  So now I I see the I see a big division over Israel right now and now in the conservative movement.
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  I see a big division over Ukraine.
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  And you Ukraine, you can see that this Russians obviously want to win that war, so they're gonna try and weaken support for Ukraine in any way they can.
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  And it's very obvious that they have done a lot of work on the American right.
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  Through people like Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon and others to denigrate Ukraine and say it's that that it's inevitable that Ukraine loses and Ukraine is hopelessly corrupt.
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  We can see that, but why why how are the Russians involved in the growing anti Semitism and the attacks on Israel that we see in our movement now?
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  Yes, this this goes back to the latter part of the 1990s, as as Russia was developing their new hybrid informational warfare phases as outlined in their sh scissors strategy.
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  They began a very soft infiltration of the far American right, specifically within the paleoconservative and paleo-libertarian movements.
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  Yep.
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  And they were able to seduce and use the primary influencers within those movements to carry out their their key internal strategy of divide and conquer.
• 11:03
  Well, a lot of that was this sort of false narrative that Putin's a Christian, um, Russia's a uh a Christian country, they're gonna save us from George Soris and the gays and the Muslims.
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  Yeah.
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  And that that's putting it very crudely.
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  But but I know that they were also working on some of the top social conservatives.
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  Uh they infiltrated the Council for National Policy, for instance, which is a big uh gathering of social conservatives, is it and so when you say soft, so so there was a a program about that time to start influencing the American right, is that what you're saying?
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  Exactly, yes.
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  And so how did how how did this how was it done?
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  How what kind of mechanisms were used for this?
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  A lot of it is a financial incentive.
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  Um their oligarchs and their money networks will financially seduce and lower end influencers who are not only trying to make influence for themselves, but are also trying to make money and profit.
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  And so they will they will put vast amounts of money and networking into these influencers, hype them up and promote them up into carrying out the misinformation, disinformation as part of their as part of their scissor strategies.
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  For instance, when Dr.
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  Ron Paul retired, he took uh vast amounts of money from Russian oligarchs to finance his Ron Paul Peace Institute.
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  Um they have financially lured in Alex Jones, uh Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon.
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  Anyone in anyone and everyone with within the far right that has influence and clout an audience to which they can carry out their their messaging of isolation, isolationism appeasement, anti-Semitism, you name it.
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  I couldn't, I couldn't agree more, Travis.
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  Um you named the Ron Paul Institute, and a lot of uh my friends and myself included thought Ron Paul was a bit of a hero back in the days.
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  You know, because he was standing for the constitution and he was a bit of a rebel figure, but there's absolutely no doubt he's been tied to the Russians now for over 20 years.
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  He is he has Dennis Kucinich on his board, uh Daniel McAdams, who is a Russian patriot of ever there was one, Dennis Kucinich is a complete communist.
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  But what kind of um what how how do you know about the Russian oligarch?
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  I and I don't doubt this, but but do you have any more specifics about the the Russian money he was getting?
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  Yeah, um yeah, it it's it's it like I said, it's it started back when he had when he had initially retired from the Congress, and right around when the first Intel phases of the Russian Ukrainian conflict had begun, where oligarchs had contacted him through very for various sources, and was and was able to financially lull him into carrying out their broad messaging.
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  If you if you remember, you will notice that during that time period he was making a lot of appearances on Russia today.
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  Yes, absolutely, yeah.
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  Isn't it sad?
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  You know, once someone who is once a conservative libertarian hero has basically been shilling for the Russians for years now, has been promoting the most obnoxious Russian propaganda, and still has this mere air of moral authority and it's still a hero to many.
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  Yeah, it is another thing that I think that the Russians was able to capitalize with Dr.
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  Paul is uh Dr.
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  Paul's stances on non-interventionism and peace trade commerce with all nations, the paleolibertarian uh ideologue platform.
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  And I and I really do believe that they were able to lower him, lure him in not only through financial incentive, but as well as they placated on his on his uh political beliefs as well.
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  Yes, yes, I do agree, and and I see similar things happening with the Cato Institute and some of the libertarian institutions as well, you know, the the this uh non-interventionist um you know, be friends with all philosophy, you know, this Murray Rothbard stuff that's that's in inside the libertarian movement, and it's it's quite easy for the Russians to push that um to basically get the United States out of the world scene to get the United States out of their hair, so to speak.
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  And do you see this as a widespread problem on the libertarian um you know, paleoconservative right?
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  Oh, yes.
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  Oh, yes, it's it's morphed into an epidemic with what do you think someone like Ron Paul understands he's being played by the Russians?
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  Do you think he actually gets it by now?
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  You you uh it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't.
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  No, he he he does not.
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  Um interesting you say that.
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  Um Jared Nyquist, uh a good friend of mine, was uh telling me at one point when he was having a conversation with Dr.
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  Ron Paul trying to tell Dr.
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  Ron Paul the threat of Russian subversion, that Dr.
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  Paul had simply just waved it off and said, you know, the the real threat is the CIA, the real threats, the military industrial complex, yada yada yada, and it it just he he hasn't uh a keen understanding at all, not not a even a simple understanding of what they're doing and why they're doing it.
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  So to him, you know, it's taking some Russian money and and uh pushing ideas that that seem to coincide with his, he probably doesn't see that as a great problem.
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  Um where I would say it is a huge problem because of the false narrative it's feeding into the conservative movement, but so he wouldn't consider himself a traitor, he wouldn't think he's crossed the line.
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  No, yeah, I I have a slightly different opinion.
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  Well, no, no, I I think uh uh I think you're right that he's probably so naive that he that he does um he probably wouldn't think of himself as a traitor, but I think he's definitely a bad actor now.
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  So Alex Jones is an interesting one too.
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  Originally, when he started out, he was sort of a quite anti-Putin, quite anti-Russia, but now completely the opposite.
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  And do you think money has been a factor in that that change around?
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  Oh, most definitely, most definitely.
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  And where do you think that money's been coming through?
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  How how would he have been funded by or how would he have been getting getting Russian or Russian derived money?
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  Do you think?
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  The the level of sophistication that the Russian oligarchs are able to allocate their finances and dispense the money.
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  It's just very in enhanced.
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  It's it's just so many components and so many levels.
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  So basically it could be anything from stock tips to direct payments to um uh well, one thing I think what you alluded to this before, I think the Russians do this, people like Jackson Hinkle, you know, the head of the American Communist Party, Magic Communist, just a nobody, but he's a big influencer now because he gets so many hits on his ex page.
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  Well, I would guarantee that initially at least 95% of those hits probably came from Russian bots, don't you think?
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  Oh, oh yeah, yeah, there's there's definitely an artificial component to what Russia is doing as far as infiltration.
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  Well, I know back in the 60s, one of the ways the Russians used to, the Soviets used to subsidize the American Communist Party, the American Communist Party would produce its people's weekly world or people's world newspaper, and they'd send a hundred thousand copies to the Soviet Union, which would be paid for, and they would go to every library in Russia, right?
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  Which nobody would read them, but it was a way that Soviets could legitimate.
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  Fund the American Communist Party by buying their newspaper.
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  Well now you just have to get bots, you have to direct a lot of traffic to somebody's website, and um, and that's how that's how you can fund them.
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  You know, so I think that's uh a key thing.
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  Well, we saw this scandal recently with Tim Paul and uh and a couple of others who were found um found to be getting a hundred thousand per episode, I think, to produce produce their shows, and it was coming through Russian sources.
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  And I was actually recruited by Tim Paul to serve on one of those panels against Hazel Din, the head of the American Communist Party, and thinking back now, my ear ticket was probably paid for by the Russians.
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  Exactly.
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  So what is the so we're in the the pince we're in the scissors stage now?
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  You got people like Alexander Dugan and others who continually talk about civil war in the United States.
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  You have pro-Russian websites like Zero Hedge and others also harp along these themes, and the idea and and selling conservatives on the idea there is no way out but revolution.
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  So do you see a deliberate pushing by the Russians and others of extremism in America, you know, and and actual potential for violence, which will split the movement, you know, will discredit our movement, etc.
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  So sorry, Carrie.
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  There's just no question.
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  See, and and this is the thing that gets me.
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  Like, I can look at the rise of the anti-Semitism and anti-Israeli stuff, and I can, you know, like when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Gray Zone, a pro-Russian website run by Max Blumenthal come out with the idea that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the Mossad, and it went all over viral, and it was a pro-Russian website.
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  But uh and I talk to audiences, and they say, they say, Well, we're worried about the anti-Semitism, we're worried about the anti-Israeli feeling.
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  Why is this happening?
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  I say, Well, it's the Russians, the Russians are doing this.
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  This is a hundred percent Russian operation, and they look at me like I've got three heads.
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  This has never occurred to them.
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  Yeah, it's it's it's staggering.
• 22:45
  You know, well, it's a sort of general lack of understanding of information campaigns, isn't there?
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  Of you know, you look at the the communists spent five years telling the world that that Trump called Mexicans rapists and is this and is that and is a horrible person, and half the world believes it.
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  But then if you tell these people, well, why do you know how it is?
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  Why do you now hate Israel?
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  Why do you hate Ukraine?
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  Why do you think Ukraine's corrupt?
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  Maybe you've been brainwashed just like those other people were.
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  You know, it it's it's like telling uh a man his wife's cheating on him.
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  People don't really want to believe that, do they?
• 23:27
  Yeah, yeah.
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  There's there's definitely a denial ability within the psyche of the fabric of the current American mindset regarding this these issues, and again, it goes back to as part of the scissors strategy horning in on high partisan arguments.
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  Um, for instance, if you're for it, I'm against it, and if you're against it, I'm for it.
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  And keening in on the census of that and exploiting it for every for everything that it's worth.
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  Well, you yeah, like I think you know, um, Joe Biden look supposed so-called supported Ukraine.
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  He didn't really, but he said he did.
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  So therefore, everybody hates Joe Biden, so we can't support Ukraine.
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  You know, uh Vladimir Putin says he hates George Soros.
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  Well, we hate George Soros too.
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  So therefore he must be our friend, right?
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  Right, exactly.
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  And and this, and this is despite the fact that George Soros spent years as a as a Russian asset.
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  Uh he's he's he's still friends with many with many top Russian officials and state officials.
• 24:45
  Well, I'm glad you said that because I think this is a thing a lot of people miss that he has a long history with the Russians and has done everything in Eastern Europe and and since the basically in the Russians' favor.
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  But a lot of people think no, no, uh, the Russians are gonna save us from George Soros.
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  Isn't this a little bit of double speak there, perhaps?
• 25:07
  Yeah, exactly.
• 25:09
  Well, we'll just call a quick break there, Travis.
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  Then I want to go to pivot towards Iran.
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  Um but we'll be back straight after this.
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  Welcome back to Trevor Loud Reports on America Out Loud.
• 27:45
  We're here with Travis Karns, who's uh who is a real student of international affairs, and I'm glad to know as a student of Anatoly Golitsin, who I regard as the preeminent Russian defector, the guy who gave us a blueprint for what is happening today.
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  Um when you first read Golitsyn, uh and his expose of the Soviet and Russian long term strategy, the fake splits, the the fake collapse of communism.
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  Did it have much of an impact on you?
• 28:21
  Oh, it did.
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  Profound impact.
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  It really gave me an awakening and a keen understanding of what is and what is still going on geopolitically and according to American defense and national security.
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  It was so prophetic and timely.
• 28:44
  Well, that's right, Gilutzin released his book in 84, and he made over a hundred predictions, about 95 of which have now come true.
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  And he called out the collapse of communism before Gorbachev was even on the scene.
• 28:57
  You know, and of course it was hard to believe then, but it it all played out.
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  Yeah, it did, exactly.
• 29:05
  And you know, part part of uh Russia's perestroika deception is every decade they roll out a new period of glass nos deception, and glass deception is like I said, it's part of their uh overall this destruction of the Americ of the American West and American Western civilization.
• 29:26
  And they in the two in the 2000s, they they they modified their their uh strat strategy by introducing a a new component called hybrid warfare and hyper and hyper and hybrid warfare is both uh conventional kinetic intelligence counterintelligence and informational warfare.
• 29:48
  Well, the Soviets have always been very good at disinformation and propaganda campaigns.
• 29:53
  So you're saying at that time they really amped up that component and targeted it at the West.
• 30:00
  Exactly, yeah.
• 30:01
  For instance, back in the early 2000s with the assassination attempt on uh then you Ukrainian Prime Minister, that was part of their early phases in testing out on what works, what don't work.
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  And it was the same thing with the invasion of Georgia.
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  Those were the testing phases of what works, what don't so that was uh a prelude for for the invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent invasion of of east of Western Europe.
• 30:35
  Exactly.
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  And us too.
• 30:39
  Exactly.
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  So you see, you know, what what do you think would have happened had the Soviet Russians rolled into Ukraine and it went as though that expected?
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  What if they'd conquered the country in a week?
• 30:53
  Would they have just sat in Ukraine and consolidated power and left us alone and we all lived happily ever after?
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  What do you think would have happened had that war gone the way Putin wanted it to?
• 31:07
  Oh, absolutely not.
• 31:08
  They they would have continued onward, they would have tried precision attacks on our eastern flank, hitting Estonia, Romania, Slovakia, Finland.
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  Then they would have made a round into the Polish gaps and tried to and tried to conquer the Polish gap lines, and coincidentally go right up into into the very edges of Eastern Germany.
• 31:41
  They they then would have moved their naval assets and trying to utilize and reconquer both the Black Sea, the Mediterranean Sea, going all the way up into the Arctic front and onward from there.
• 31:58
  So the Ukraine war was really a prelude, uh, the first step in a major assault on Europe.
• 32:07
  I'm not exaggerating that.
• 32:10
  Exactly, yes.
• 32:12
  Which would have put us in direct confrontation with the United States and NATO, would it not?
• 32:18
  It would have, yes.
• 32:19
  And they were relying on NATO to back down, probably.
• 32:22
  Yes, they were reliant upon the weakness of NATO and the weaknesses of the administration of Joe Biden, who really was a puppet administration for lack of thereof.
• 32:38
  Well, Joe Biden was always Russia's man, right from the word go.
• 32:43
  And and uh people say he supported Ukraine, but when he said uh to Putin a limited incursion into Ukraine would not warrant an American response, what more of a green light could you give?
• 32:55
  Yeah, exactly.
• 32:56
  And it's it's funny you say that because in the weeks leading up into the invasion, uh, Russian foreign minister Sergei and Joe Biden were in levels of meetings, and the Russians were initially telling Biden our first phases of this assault is we're going to retake the Ukrainian East and move onward.
• 33:18
  And for lack of his understanding, and due to his senility, Joe Biden just greenlit it.
• 33:30
  Well, and maybe because he was their asset for a long time, too.
• 33:34
  Oh, exactly.
• 33:35
  Yes, that too.
• 33:36
  Uh the Russians put his his son on their on their energy boards, and uh allowing him to be a uh uh a consultant and other and other uh financial financial institutes, as well as gave him greater access to to uh Iranian energy boards and Chinese corp corporate boards as well.
• 34:02
  Right.
• 34:02
  So the whole, yeah, well, Joe Biden's work for the was elected with Russian help, Soviet help.
• 34:09
  He is been involved with Iran since the 70s and China since the early 2000s.
• 34:15
  So you're saying, but this is the key point, I think that most Americans don't get that we would have been in World War III by now, or maybe even lost it already had it not been for the bravery and courage of the Ukrainians.
• 34:29
  Oh, most definitely, most definitely.
• 34:36
  No, what was what was what was supposed to be a 90-day war, the Ukrainians have stretched it out going into about three or four years now, and by doing that, has given America and our Western allies ample of opportunity for preparation and other tactical accesses to f to face this this current threat that we're that we're seeing played out in both in Europe and in the Middle East.
• 35:05
  Well, you can you imagine had the Russians been successful when Joe Biden was president, there would have been no meaningful NATO response.
• 35:14
  The whole world balance of power would have been changed against uh and and against us, and it's a miracle.
• 35:23
  It's you know, thank God for the Ukrainians, that's all I can say, and uh the miracles that happened and the and the absolute courage and resoluteness they've shown, and it just embarrasses the heck out of me that there's so many people do not appreciate what what that country has gone through on our on our behalf effectively.
• 35:43
  Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's very saddened ordeal and a very sad situation to see that the attitude of the West and his perceivement of Ukraine.
• 35:55
  So we've seen Trump take a hard line on Venezuela, on Cuba and Iran, but a very ambivalent line, in fact, sometimes a soft line on Russia.
• 36:11
  Why do you think he's tough on some tyrannical regimes, but not on Russia?
• 36:16
  What do you think?
• 36:19
  Uh Trump's Trump's a deal maker, he's a negotiator.
• 36:23
  Um he's someone that's wants to make deals, wants to make negotiations with everyone, and more often than not, that allows exploitation of his of his good nature by people like Putin, who tells him, yeah, I'm your friend, we can make deals, we can make negotiations, we can ushering in a new era of prosperity, all the while telling them that in the background, the Russians are preparing for for what they're for for their long-term strategy goals.
• 37:08
  And so I I think that due to Trump's good nature, sometimes that that allows him to be exploited and taken it taken advantage of.
• 37:20
  Um, I also think that in his administration, he does not have a lot of administration administration officials that is quite discerning and quite understanding of the Russian threat.
• 37:34
  Yes, I fully agree on that.
• 37:37
  So, you know, Trump seems to have difficulty with ideology.
• 37:42
  He seems to think everybody's a mafia boss or a or a construction union boss or a property developer who can be dealt with, who can you can find a deal.
• 37:55
  But if you're ideologically motivated like Putin, like Xi Jing, like Rocket Boy, like the Mullers, you know, you're you're operating in a whole different paradigm, aren't you?
• 38:06
  Maybe you're not really susceptible to deals in the way that Trump would think.
• 38:10
  Yeah, exactly.
• 38:12
  And it goes back to what what Ronald Reagan said.
• 38:16
  You you you can't compromise with those who wish to destroy you.
• 38:21
  There's no appeasement that can be that can be ever be made.
• 38:25
  Yeah, and like 100%.
• 38:27
  And I'm so glad that Trump has taken a tough line on Venezuela and Cuba.
• 38:33
  I'd love to see communism ended in Cuba soon and Iran, but I'm very disconcerted.
• 38:39
  You know, we know that the Russians are helping the Iranians and the Iranians are trying to kill American service members, but Trump lifts sanctions, you know, to open up the energy fields to try and keep the price of gas down a little bit, but all the same.
• 38:54
  So you wrote an article the other day about what could happen in the United States.
• 39:01
  We see Iran in a very desperate situation now.
• 39:04
  We know that they've had their people in this country for a long time under cover, etc.
• 39:10
  Give us a gist of the article.
• 39:12
  Give us a what was it, what was your thesis and what what do you think could happen?
• 39:18
  Sure.
• 39:18
  Um the the thesis of the article is America's Shadow War, and it focuses on the both internal and external threats of the of the Iranian regime.
• 39:30
  It includes their capabilities of cybernetic terrorism, hybrid lone wolf operational attacks, stealth warfare, 5 gen warfare, organizational warfare, precision and small arms warfare, informational warfare, uh expertise and IEDs and vehicle explosive mobility.
• 39:51
  They're backed by Russian and Chinese and North Korean intelligence.
• 39:56
  They have the capabilities to carry out commercial.
• 40:00
  Drone payload attacks.
• 40:01
  They can target financial systems, financial institutions, our energy grids and our energy networks, American defense capabilities, they can target our food resource and supplies, they can target government buildings, they can carry out hybrid lone wolf precision attacks on churches, uh, private schools, political assassinations, they can detonate with their with their capabilities of Iranium, they can detonate uh WMD detonations right into the very center of New York if they wanted to.
• 40:42
  Weapons of mass destruction in New York if they wanted to.
• 40:46
  Well, they wouldn't want to kill their own mayor, would they?
• 40:50
  You know, Rizoran Mandami, he's their he's their friend, isn't he?
• 40:55
  No, they they probably wouldn't want to kill him, but if if it if it goes to the point of absolute collapse, you could you could get a lone wolf hardliner to to do it.
• 41:11
  So this is the key thing is like Iran is to me on the point of absolute collapse.
• 41:17
  The mullah's regime is hanging on by its fingernails.
• 41:21
  Does this make at what point do they activate these networks that could, and you gave a whole list of things they could do, targeting our energy infrastructure, assassinating people, um, terrorists, uh terrorist attacks, weapons of mass destruction attacks.
• 41:39
  I believe they have the capability of all of this on our soil.
• 41:43
  I'm surprised they haven't already done it.
• 41:45
  What at what point do you think we may see this happen?
• 41:51
  I think if things continue on the on the on the quick end of intimate collapse, that could be a trigger point, or they might try the North Vietnamese to combine Japanese Pearl Harbor type, or combined with 9-11 type attacks and just randomly carried out at random times and specifics without without us knowing when or where to paralyze the country essentially to shut us down.
• 42:24
  Essentially, yeah.
• 42:26
  Well, you know, we saw what 9-11 did to this country economically and and uh politically and and uh in terms of logistics and infrastructure, etc.
• 42:36
  So imagine, say 15 of those attacks over two weeks.
• 42:41
  Yeah, exactly.
• 42:43
  And do you think there's any chance like so?
• 42:47
  This could happen tomorrow.
• 42:48
  This could happen next week.
• 42:50
  This could maybe it won't happen.
• 42:53
  But why the heck would it not?
• 42:55
  What have they got to lose?
• 42:57
  Exactly.
• 42:58
  Their only chance to to get us to save their regime is if there is so much pain in America, we back off.
• 43:07
  And I can't see why they wouldn't do this.
• 43:13
  Yeah, exactly.
• 43:14
  It's it's part of their of their proxy warfare strategy outline um in spreading is uh uh spreading their Islamic doctrine.
• 43:25
  Uh they they developed this systematically in the in the 80s and the 90s with the help of the other Russians and the Chinese.
• 43:33
  They have networks both in South America on our on our Mexican border, both in the United States and in Canada.
• 43:43
  If you remember back uh a couple years ago with the whole uh Panama Canal and the whole flooding of refugees through our for our southern for our southern border through the for those gaps, thousands and thousands of jihadists were able to were able to infiltrate many with ties with the Iranian revolutionary guard, as well as ties with Hezbollah, which is their outward uh terroristic arm affiliation.
• 44:18
  Look, look, I know that Hezbollah was setting up networks in America in the mid-1980s, you know, that far back, a few years after the Iranian revolution, you know.
• 44:31
  So, how many years have they had?
• 44:33
  We know there's been a major influx.
• 44:36
  I know uh a friend of mine, Melissa Tumum was uh campaigning for Congress out in California last year or the year before, and uh she was going around car parks in California meeting people, and she was getting finding all these people, Iraqis and Uzbeks and Iranians sleeping in cars in car parks and driving Uber and Lyft and Uber Eats and things like this, and they were they were being put straight into these jobs after coming across the border.
• 45:10
  And so they're going around, they're finding out where the Jewish delicatessans are, they are finding out where the Jewish families live who order from these delicatessens, they're the casing the casing the city, and that's just LA.
• 45:26
  So given the word, how many attacks could we have in one day across the country?
• 45:33
  Oh, multiple, multiple attacks.
• 45:36
  And so that will attacks.
• 45:38
  Imagine the paralysis, it would just shut down the economy.
• 45:42
  Yeah, uh it would it would all come to a very screeching halt.
• 45:46
  Everything, food, water, money.
• 45:51
  Yeah, it's it's it's horrific.
• 45:54
  Um Jeff Nyquist has pointed out where you know the Iranians seem to be on the ropes, but one big vulnerability in the West, they have well in the in the area they haven't um done yet is attack the desalination plants and in the Gulf, you know, and a lot of these countries like Bahrain and that 80% of their fresh water comes from desalination plants.
• 46:20
  You blow blow a couple of those up, and you get people dying of thirst.
• 46:25
  Well, they haven't exploited that weakness yet, but will they?
• 46:30
  I believe when push comes to shove, they absolutely will.
• 46:32
  I believe that they will most definitely launch ballistic and drone attacks on those plants as a way to subvert the Wahhabas and to put the pressure on the Wahhabist nations like Saudi Arabia into presenting a stillmate or a ceasefire option that will allow them to reconfigurate and regroup themselves.
• 46:58
  Yeah.
• 46:59
  So we shouldn't get into a false sense of security because the war is going well in kinetic terms right now.
• 47:07
  The the Iranian infrastructure is getting absolutely annihilated, the command structures, but they still have major western vulnerabilities to exploit the desalination plants for one, and the huge networks for committing terrorism they have in this country.
• 47:27
  Is do you think there's a possibility that some of these networks might refuse to activate that they've got a bit fat and rich and happy and lazy in America and might not really want to go uh full on jihad?
• 47:40
  Or do you think most of them will follow their commands?
• 47:43
  They'll follow command.
• 47:45
  It's jihad and al-Dalar is deeply embedded into their psyche.
• 47:52
  So they're aiming at heaven, aren't they?
• 47:54
  They're aiming at basically theirs as a religious motivation.
• 47:58
  Exactly.
• 47:59
  Is my friend Jimmy from Brooklyn says it was very brilliant of the Soviets to exploit Islam because a lot of people don't want to die for Putin or Christiev or Stalin, but they will die for Allah or think, or if they think they're dying for Allah, they will do the same things.
• 48:18
  Yeah.
• 48:19
  Yeah, they're there, they have a cultic warrior religious mentality component into their psyche in concordances with what is written in their holy scriptures of the Quran.
• 48:34
  Now we've had some warnings from the FBI that there were Iranian possible Iranian attacks and plan drone attacks and planned on California.
• 48:43
  I believe another one in North Carolina.
• 48:46
  So there seems to be some awareness in the administration that there is a potential here, and some and and there's obviously monitoring going on, but do you have any more insight on that?
• 48:58
  Do you think the administration is really aware of how deep this goes, or are we flying blind a little bit?
• 49:08
  I think that the administration is very keenfully aware and is keeping it a hard hard nose in line into it.
• 49:16
  Uh there was reports yesterday of suspicious drone activity in and around the Pentagon.
• 49:23
  And so what we're seeing right now is a lot of uh probing by the Iranians.
• 49:28
  They're what you're seeing with these drones in North Carolina and California and around the Pentagon.
• 49:33
  These are just probing phases.
• 49:36
  And I have no doubt that the Trump administration definitely is keenly aware of all this.
• 49:43
  And I and I do, and I do believe that the president is engaged firmly into this into defense of the of the of our nation's homeland regarding uh an attempt on hybrid style terrorist attacks on the American mainland.
• 50:00
  Well, one would certainly hope so.
• 50:02
  But you know, like even if you know 90% of the networks out there, and I'm sure we don't know 90% of the networks, it would be impossible to track.
• 50:11
  We don't even know who's in the country.
• 50:13
  Yeah.
• 50:13
  We'd learn who they are.
• 50:15
  Yeah, yeah, there's there's there's still vulnerabilities, most definitely.
• 50:19
  And so how is the public gonna react?
• 50:22
  If you know, we've had maybe some lucky escapes.
• 50:25
  May as you said, maybe there's just been probing so far, just testing, testing, testing.
• 50:32
  But what's gonna happen if something serious happens, if a shopping mall is bombed, or a uh a reservoir is poisoned, or uh uh or a you know, uh somebody's assassin some major figures are assassinated.
• 50:46
  What is going to happen then?
• 50:50
  That is going to be a very detrimental test and key on the American resolve of the American people themselves.
• 50:59
  Is the American people going to come together like we did during the bombing of Pearl Harbor, like we did on the 9-11 attacks, or is it going to go into absolute chaos?
• 51:14
  Absolute just chaos and anarchy.
• 51:18
  It's it's it's you know, it's a double-edged sword, it's a 50-50 question, and it just really depends.
• 51:30
  Well, see, and this is why I think people like Joe Kent and Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon and others are so dangerous.
• 51:39
  Because by spreading these lies that oh, there's no imminent threat from Iran, Iran's not our enemy.
• 51:47
  They're creating this uncertainty amongst the American populace.
• 51:50
  And if there are attacks and the American people are certain that we have to deal with this enemy, they will they will suck up those attacks and keep on fighting.
• 52:02
  But if there's a lot of uncertainty, why are we doing this?
• 52:06
  Is Iran really our enemy?
• 52:09
  Should we be provoking these people?
• 52:11
  I think that is the danger of Joe Kent of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon and others, who have been really almost defending Ukraine.
• 52:21
  Do you do you see things in a similar vein to what I do?
• 52:26
  Yes, I do very much so.
• 52:28
  Very much so.
• 52:30
  So the the real danger is that is their weakening of national resolve that might be a good way to put it.
• 52:41
  Yeah, exactly.
• 52:41
  And this historically goes back to Abraham Lincoln's lithicum address, where he had said not by force could all the armies of Europe, Africa, and Asia make track on the Blue Ridge or drink of the Ohio River.
• 52:59
  If destruction be our lot, we ourselves will be its author and its finisher.
• 53:06
  Right.
• 53:07
  Right.
• 53:09
  Yeah, that is so true.
• 53:11
  Which is why I think the Russians and the Iranians have put so much money and so much effort into building up dissenters like Tucker Carlson, building up basically their assets in our land to to weaken that national resolve.
• 53:34
  You know, that's what that's what you would do if you were Putin, wouldn't you?
• 53:38
  Yes, yeah, most definitely.
• 53:40
  Exploit a divide on all sides, go after all angles, and use clinch fists and just break it from within.
• 53:51
  Yeah, like 10 years ago, if I if I'd said to most people, look, we're gonna be on the verge of civil war in 10 years, we're gonna have major divides, we're gonna be split over Israel, we're gonna be split over a whole bunch of major issues, and uh, and this will be all run by the Russians.
• 54:12
  You know, I don't think many people would have accepted it, do you?
• 54:16
  No.
• 54:17
  And that's it.
• 54:19
  And there's just there's this old preferable proverb about Russia, she's as never strong as she looks, and she's never as weak as she looks.
• 54:28
  Yeah, yeah.
• 54:30
  Yes.
• 54:31
  Uh look, I I think Russia is looks weak right now, but I think it's still a lot stronger than we realize.
• 54:37
  And the thing is, they have a resolve to destroy us.
• 54:40
  We don't have a similar resolve to destroy them.
• 54:44
  We just want to get on and live in peace and make money and raise our families.
• 54:50
  So unless it gets rubbed in our face, um, you know, we've shown that resolve against Islam after 9-11.
• 54:58
  I hope we can show a similar resolve uh over Iran.
• 55:02
  I'm gratified to know that most Republicans wholeheartedly support Trump and his war against Iran, but you know, we we have seen divisions over Ukraine, we've seen divisions over Israel and many other things.
• 55:17
  How do you think the conservative movement is doing?
• 55:20
  How and do you think we can come through this crisis?
• 55:24
  Yeah, I I think the conservative movement can navigate through the crisis.
• 55:31
  Um by community vigilance, by proper informational discernment, by intense common study and understanding and keeping an open mindset to things, heavy reliance from and I'm gonna use a religious aspect, but a heavy reliance from the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
• 56:00
  Well, look, we've come to the end, Travis, unfortunately.
• 56:04
  I'd love to continue onwards, and I'd love to get you back again soon.
• 56:08
  But thanks for your insight.
• 56:10
  I really appreciate it.
• 56:11
  Thanks for writing and doing what you're doing.
• 56:14
  And uh look, uh I hope everybody follows Travis's advice.
• 56:20
  Stay armed, stay vigilant, and we can get through this.
• 56:25
  We're uh we're we're on God's side here.
• 56:29
  Amen.
• 56:30
  Thank you.
• 56:31
  So um thank you so much, Travis.
• 56:34
  Oh, thank you so much.
• 56:34
  It was such a pleasure and honor of being here.
• 56:36
  Thank you so much for having me.
• 56:38
  Thank you.
• 56:38
  Appreciate it.
• 56:39
  Thank you.