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INTERVIEW: Bakari Sellers Talks 'The Moment,' Trump Vs. Biden, Candace Owens, Kanye, Ice Cube, Eric Adams + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast Club morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy jesselairiishalla mean the guy we are
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  Speaker 2: the breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,
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  Speaker 2: but car E Sellers.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? What's up?
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back. Man feeling Man, I feel
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  Speaker 3: really good, more blessed than I deserve.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I like that hoodie right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, official, you know we got to represent our girls.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Don Staley, Shout out to Kamilla Cardoza,
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  Speaker 3: my lady game Cox.
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  Speaker 4: For sure, you've been on the lady game Cox. I
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  Speaker 4: mean for a long time. All right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, my wife went to the USC, so I have too.
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  Speaker 5: But what made you start supporting the lady game Cox?
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  Speaker 3: Coach Staley, I mean, I believe in her. She's a
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  Speaker 3: good friend of mine. She's like a sister or aunt.
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  Speaker 3: She keeps her real with you. If my daughters can
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  Speaker 3: grow up and be like Coach Daley, I think that
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  Speaker 3: they would be amazing women. I mean what she does
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  Speaker 3: for the community, there is no I don't think there's
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  Speaker 3: a woman who's contributed more to basketball, sport, black womanhood.
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  Speaker 4: Than Coach Staley.
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  Speaker 1: And I just appreciate her. Y'all have y'all had her
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  Speaker 1: up here yet?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a few years ago we got to get it back.
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  Speaker 1: Then three championships in Now, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Your new book, The Moment, Yes, okay? Is your thoughts
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  Speaker 4: on the race reckoning that wasn't? Why is it? Well?
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  Speaker 4: First of all, the title, why the title?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty twenty one, when we were all
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  Speaker 3: kind of locked in our homes and then we saw
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  Speaker 3: George Floyd be murdered on camera, I thought about why
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  Speaker 3: we saw what we saw, and we were in a
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  Speaker 3: pandemic and so people were locked in their homes. We
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  Speaker 3: had the audacity of a seventeen year old black woman
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  Speaker 3: to take her phone out in videotape what happened. We
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  Speaker 3: had nine minutes of a black man calling out for
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  Speaker 3: his mom with the knee on the back of his neck,
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  Speaker 3: and the world could not turn away. And then everybody
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  Speaker 3: came out in the streets around the world. And it
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  Speaker 3: took all of that just for us to have accountability,
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  Speaker 3: not justice, but accountability. Justice is George Floyd still being here?
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  Speaker 3: And at that point, maybe it's my youthful naivete, but
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  Speaker 3: at that point I thought that maybe the world was changing,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we were starting to understand the plight and pain
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  Speaker 3: of being black in this country, and maybe we were
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  Speaker 3: actually having that racial reckoning. You know, those were the
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  Speaker 3: conversations we were having. And then shit changed and we
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  Speaker 3: went backwards. I mean we have literally since that point
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  Speaker 3: when I thought we were making that change, we have
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  Speaker 3: been going backwards. Sob sixteen hundred books band. You see
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  Speaker 3: what's happening with the attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion.
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  Speaker 3: You see the abortion bill in Arizona from the eighteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, I wrote this book about that moment.
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  Speaker 3: I was on TV with Felonious Floyd, who spoke before me,
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  Speaker 3: and Charlomage knows as I'm real emotion I cry all
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  Speaker 3: the time, but he was on the segment before me,
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  Speaker 3: and I was on with Dante Stalworth and I was
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  Speaker 3: in my home, my beard and everything, pajama pants on.
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  Speaker 3: That's when we were still doing TV from laptops, and
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  Speaker 3: I began to think about my kids and what was
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  Speaker 3: I going to tell my black kids listening to Colonius
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  Speaker 3: Floyd just speak.
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  Speaker 5: What made you That's a great point you brought up
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  Speaker 5: about how everybody thought things were.
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  Speaker 4: Going to change. What made you have a more audacity
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  Speaker 4: of hope?
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  Speaker 5: Did George Floyd situation or Barack Obama being elected.
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  Speaker 3: Barack Obama being elected, I thought was a moment in
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  Speaker 3: time because we had gone so far. I remember saying,
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  Speaker 3: and I had these conversations. I remember being on call
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  Speaker 3: with people like Dick car Puotley and Michelle Obama when
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  Speaker 3: it went many of us who supported the President of
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  Speaker 3: the United States, Anton Gunn in South Carolina, then Senator
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  Speaker 3: Barack Obama, and there were fears about Barack Obama. One,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't think white vote would vote for him. That's
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  Speaker 3: why Iowa was so important. When he went to Iowa,
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  Speaker 3: were like, oh, white people will vote for this black man.
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  Speaker 3: And number two, my father would bring it up all
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  Speaker 3: the time. We were afraid that they were going to
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  Speaker 3: kill him. I mean, older black folk had a legit
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  Speaker 3: concern that Barack Obama was going to be assassinated. And
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  Speaker 3: the reason being is because it came from a valid place.
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  Speaker 3: They had seen all their heroes become martyrs, and so
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  Speaker 3: that was a legitimate concern. And so Barack Obama gave
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  Speaker 3: me a lot of hope when he got elected the
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  Speaker 3: death of George Floyd was something that we just it
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  Speaker 3: was a moment that we missed it. It was a
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  Speaker 3: surreal moment. And being able to meet the family and
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  Speaker 3: see how the world kind of embraced his daughter. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, God works in mysterious ways because he always
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  Speaker 3: uses somebody that you would not imagine to bring people together.
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  Speaker 3: And nobody would imagine that the person or the vessel
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  Speaker 3: he would use would be George Floyd, and he did.
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  Speaker 3: I write about that, but I was excited, but I
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  Speaker 3: was I was more let down, not by George Floyd,
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  Speaker 3: of course, or his family, but by.
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  Speaker 1: The way people reacted to it, or the white lash.
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  Speaker 1: The's still a word from Van Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you just mentioned you said things went backwards? Right,
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think things went backwards? Because you had,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, so many people out in the street,
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  Speaker 2: and it just wasn't black people. It was white people,
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  Speaker 2: Asian people, Jewish people, It didn't matter. Everybody was out
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  Speaker 2: there protesting. Why do you think things went in reverse?
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of white people in this country
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  Speaker 3: that are afraid of the browning of America there. I mean, Tucker,
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  Speaker 3: I talk about this in the book How We've monetized
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  Speaker 3: racism and xenophobia. And Tucker did an entire segment on
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  Speaker 3: nightly News in front of millions of people talking about
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  Speaker 3: the great Replace Smith theory, which is just a white
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  Speaker 3: nationalist racist theory. And you begin to see that fear
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  Speaker 3: bubble up. I mean you have people like Klay Travis,
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  Speaker 3: you have Ben Shapiro, you have Canvae Owens. I mean
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  Speaker 3: you even have black folk who prop up this type
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  Speaker 3: of ignorance and type of white supremacy thought. And I
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  Speaker 3: just think that there was a lot of fear in
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  Speaker 3: this country and you saw that, you saw that rise
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  Speaker 3: to the top, and that fear has made its way
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  Speaker 3: into policy, whether or not you're talking about the Supreme
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  Speaker 3: Court and the attacks on DEI you're the attacks on
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  Speaker 3: wokeness we invented. You know, we used to call people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, woke because you were, you know, sleeping with
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  Speaker 3: your eyes open, right, you were just trying to see
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  Speaker 3: what the man was doing. And now they've taken that
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  Speaker 3: and bastardized it and turned into something that I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know what it means anymore. But I think that
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  Speaker 3: fear is palpable amongst a lot of folk, and they've
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  Speaker 3: monetized that. I mean you, a lot of the echo
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  Speaker 3: chamber that is Fox News are people who they're afraid
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  Speaker 3: of brown folk, they're afraid of of black folks, they're
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  Speaker 3: afraid of migrants. I mean, it's just it's fear.
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  Speaker 4: Ronald Trump was was white last too.
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  Speaker 5: And do you think that Democrats might have did themselves
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  Speaker 5: a disservice by running a woman right after a black
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  Speaker 5: man because the black man scared the hell out of
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  Speaker 5: them too, but that woman getting out of them.
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  Speaker 3: Let me be extremely clear, there was no person more
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  Speaker 3: qualified to run for president of the United States in
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  Speaker 3: the history of this country than Hillary Rodham Clinton, shout out.
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  Speaker 3: I know she's listening to the breakfast Club this morning,
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  Speaker 3: so shout out to the Madame Secretary.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a sexist country.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of misogyny involved in it.
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  Speaker 3: And I get in trouble with the dark with the
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  Speaker 3: dark side particularly, there are a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 3: of black men who get mad at me on the interwebs,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. When I talk about there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of misogyny involved in that twenty sixteen election. There were
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people who just didn't feel like a
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  Speaker 3: woman could be president, should be president, could.
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  Speaker 4: Serve and a lot of them were white women who
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  Speaker 4: felt that way.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of listen, white women let us down
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  Speaker 3: in that election. We're gonna be one hundred percent honest.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know, it was wild to see that
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of white women felt some type of way.
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  Speaker 3: This was Hillary Clinton was a death by a thousand cuts.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they had been they had been ostracizing and
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  Speaker 3: beating Hillary Clint up since nineteen eighty eight just for
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  Speaker 3: little things. And so I don't think we made a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: We elect I mean very rarely do we elect the
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  Speaker 3: most qualified person in our party, and we did that,
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  Speaker 3: and so she just got beat. I mean, there was
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  Speaker 3: some people have to look back at that election. Nothing
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  Speaker 3: happens in a vacuum. I remember they were like, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't go to Wisconsin. Well, she was scheduled to go
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  Speaker 3: to Wisconsin. She was going I think University Wisconsin, Green
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  Speaker 3: Bay with Barack Obama. They were have a big rally.
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  Speaker 3: What happened the post nightclub shooting, so they canceled the rally. Right,
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  Speaker 3: nothing happens in a vacuum. And so you know that
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  Speaker 3: race that blew my mind. I was actually in DC.
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  Speaker 3: I was hosting a party at park Park Park in DC,
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  Speaker 3: and I told him the only way we would host
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  Speaker 3: it is if it was a watch party, is if
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  Speaker 3: my daughter could come.
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  Speaker 1: She was twelve.
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  Speaker 3: So they let me sneak my twelve year old daughter
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  Speaker 3: in the park and we were watching the results come in.
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  Speaker 1: And it got bad quick that we were at the
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  Speaker 1: Jacobs j She invited me to the Jabs, said that
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  Speaker 1: we had.
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  Speaker 4: Our daughters there, thinking were about to seem had our spouses.
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  Speaker 4: We were all there, my daughter was there.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: When Florida happened, I was like, this is this is different?
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  Speaker 3: And then the blue wall chipped away. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: remember that I was depressed.
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  Speaker 1: I drink. I went to bed early.
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  Speaker 4: No, you say something drinking.
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  Speaker 1: What you say, I drink myself.
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  Speaker 3: Because I tell people when I have Back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: my saying was when I had good days, I drink
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  Speaker 3: James and when I had bad days, I drink jameson uh.
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  Speaker 3: But now I drink tequila. But I was, I was
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  Speaker 3: just I was out of it. My wife was like,
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  Speaker 3: you you know how you get drunk and snow. You
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  Speaker 3: got that drunk snow mothed open by two o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: I was done. I couldn't watch it no more. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I was sad with that.
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  Speaker 5: Said, Hillary doesn't get in the White House. So when
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  Speaker 5: something happens like a George Floyd, can you have a
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  Speaker 5: true racial reckoning if you don't have people in positions
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  Speaker 5: of power elected officials?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a supporting that, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't think we have, you know, for
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  Speaker 3: even even white liberals, and my book, I talked about
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  Speaker 3: this a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot of race.
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  Speaker 3: Specific problems in this country, and they pass a lot
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  Speaker 3: of race neutral legislation, for example, PPP loans, etc. During
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  Speaker 3: COVID COVID relief, they passed COVID relief under the auspices
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  Speaker 3: of rising tides lift all boats. But what do we
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  Speaker 3: know who was directly affected the most by COVID? Black
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  Speaker 3: people and Native Americans died at higher rates than anybody else,
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  Speaker 3: and we lost more businesses during COVID than anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: But the policies weren't directed towards us specifically, And so
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  Speaker 3: you have you know how many black folk in this
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  Speaker 3: country are unbanked, just don't have a bank account. These
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  Speaker 3: individuals are suffering dying and suffering, and they don't have
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  Speaker 3: a bank account. You can't get a pepp loan without
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  Speaker 3: a bank account, right, And so when you begin to
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  Speaker 3: think about this, you're right. We did not have people
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  Speaker 3: in place who think logically about having these race specific
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  Speaker 3: policy solutions. And when that rising ties don't lift all boats.
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  Speaker 3: What happens if I have a dinghy? What happens if
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  Speaker 3: I have a hole in my boat?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: What happens if I can't get off the dock? And
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  Speaker 3: so we don't have enough people in power who think
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  Speaker 3: like that. That's a really good question, Charlmaer.
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  Speaker 2: Say an introduction in your book, and this is something
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  Speaker 2: that we spoke about a lot up here. You talk
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  Speaker 2: about how you feel when celebrities.
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  Speaker 4: Don't get involved. Yeah, and let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, me and my dad had this conversation and
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  Speaker 3: it starts because of a picture in my book, Well,
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  Speaker 3: a picture that I talk about in my book.
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  Speaker 1: My dad got.
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  Speaker 3: Arrested up here in front of the South African Embassy.
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  Speaker 3: He was protesting apartheid, and he was with Jim Foreman,
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  Speaker 3: and he was with John Lewis and the people who
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  Speaker 3: built my dad and them out was Sidney Poitier and
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  Speaker 3: Harry Belafontine right, And there was such a cross section
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  Speaker 3: during that time between celebrity pop culture entertainment and grassroots activism.
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  Speaker 3: And my dad believes there should be more of that today.
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  Speaker 3: And I articulate that there is. People don't know the
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  Speaker 3: work you do, Charlamagne, people don't know the work. They
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  Speaker 3: don't know Beyonce and Jays bailed out all the protesters
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  Speaker 3: down and bad and Ruge when Alton Sterling got killed.
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  Speaker 3: But his argument is that there should be more. His
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  Speaker 3: argument is that you know the work. And he used
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  Speaker 3: Kanye West, right, He said Kanye West could do that
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  Speaker 3: much more for the black community. And I said, Dadanye
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  Speaker 3: West just gone. He's been gone, right. I mean, like
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  Speaker 3: I said, I said, I don't see and then I
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  Speaker 3: got in trouble for it. But I said, Kanye West
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  Speaker 3: is what happened. What happens when negroes don't read right.
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  Speaker 3: But he believes there should be more. I think there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of people who get involved. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know the work they do. But I compare it to
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  Speaker 3: the Black church as well. There's just not enough. They're
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  Speaker 3: not enough people with means who are putting their shoulder
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  Speaker 3: to the will to help us get out the ditch.
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  Speaker 3: That's their prerogative. If you want to have two teslas
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  Speaker 3: and live behind a gated community or behind an innegated community,
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  Speaker 3: that's fine. But you know, I think you know, this
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  Speaker 3: ministry isn't for everybody. I think that you have to
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  Speaker 3: be decently selfless. And there are a lot of where
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  Speaker 3: we're from. I'm sure where you're from too, But there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of black folk who are suffering. There
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of black folks in poverty. There are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of black folk who don't have access to
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  Speaker 3: quality healthcare. There are a lot of black folks who
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  Speaker 3: don't have any opportunity. I mean, we still have in
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  Speaker 3: our communities first generation college students, Like we literally have
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  Speaker 3: people who are still going to college today who is
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  Speaker 3: it's their first generation in their family. All you got
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  Speaker 3: to do is go to a high school graduation. That's
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  Speaker 3: why we act to ass The most non listened to
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  Speaker 3: statement in the history of America is please hold your
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  Speaker 3: applause to all the names have been called. Don't nobody
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  Speaker 3: listen to that? And so we just have so many problems,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that there is we don't have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wealth, but I think that we have more
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  Speaker 3: wealth than we've ever had, and there's an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: us to contribute more.
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  Speaker 4: What's the numbers of oculine or what do they say? Fifty?
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  Speaker 4: Almost fifty percent of all people don't have their basic necessities.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean and time back into COVID. This
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  Speaker 3: is what I'm talking about, Wuy. We missed a moment.
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  Speaker 3: So people ask Bikari, why did black people die to
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  Speaker 3: higher rate from COVID than anybody else will? In Denmark,
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  Speaker 3: for example, I lived in a food desert, which means
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  Speaker 3: you can't go one to two miles and have access
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  Speaker 3: to fresh fruits and vegetables. Our hospital shut down, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't expand medicaid, et cetera, hospital shut down, Our drinking
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  Speaker 3: water is not clean. Right, so you have all of
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  Speaker 3: these things that means you have high instances of preventable
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  Speaker 3: diseases diabetes, heart, cardiovascular disease, et cetera. You can't get
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  Speaker 3: quality health care, and then you overlay a pandemic. It's
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  Speaker 3: no wonder we're dying at higher rates. But we never
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: peel back the onion and asked those questions, and people asked,
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  Speaker 3: what is systemic racism? That there is systemic racism? Like,
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  Speaker 3: how do we fix those systems of injustice?
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  Speaker 5: I wondered, did we miss a moment or did we
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  Speaker 5: just get pacified? Like, you know, you had a lot
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  Speaker 5: of these corporations, do all of these corporate DEI programs
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  Speaker 5: you had?
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  Speaker 4: And it was an.
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  Speaker 5: Election year, so people thought, hey, we could just vote
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  Speaker 5: yeah the change we wanted.
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  Speaker 4: Like, did we miss a moment or did we just
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  Speaker 4: get get passified?
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  Speaker 1: It was a combination of both.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, Trump put his name on them checks, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: which was a brilliant political move.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the check?
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  Speaker 3: Sixteen hundred dollars? I think twelve hundred and I think
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  Speaker 3: it was another six hundred two or something, wasn't it
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  Speaker 3: it was two twelve.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve, I can't remember.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Biden did one, but nobody remember that.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I just you know, I think that
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  Speaker 3: we got passified in I think we missed the moment.
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  Speaker 3: I think, but people were going through so much too,
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  Speaker 3: Like my I talk about Garland Gilchrist, who's dope. Garland
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  Speaker 3: is the lieutenant governor of the Great State of Michigan.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: And I think I think it was twenty six people
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: he lost in his life, in his orbit. I mean,
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of death in black communities, and so
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I think we were trying to survive, which is.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: That is my hope. I have two hopes in life.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: One is that we no longer have to be in
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: a position where we're trying to survive all the time.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: There are so many people out here working today who
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: listening to this show, truck drivers listening to the show,
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: who were trying to survive, make ends.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: Meet jury number five in the Trump trial.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get us. I'm trying to get us
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: to I'm trying to get us to thrive. I want
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: to get us in a position where we're having abundance excess.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: I want us to all be able to live like
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: DJ Envy, right, That's what I want to live, like
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: we light skin.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I'm very modest. How do you get the moment back? Though?
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: Because I feel like that's my number two thing. And
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: so the problem for us is that, like in order
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: for us to have change in this country, the price
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: is so high for black folk. I'm trying to lower
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: that price, Like in order for us to have the
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act and Civil rights Act. We have to
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: have the m and Pettis Bridge. People had to see
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: that brutality with their eyes in order for us to
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: even talk about criminal justice reform. We had to watch
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: George Floyd die. In order for us to take the
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Confederate flag down in South Carolina, nine people had to die.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: There's so much pain and sacrifice that goes with being
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: black in this country, just so that you can have
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: a modern crum of change, Like that price is too
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: damn high and nonhing, they are saying up here in New York,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: the rent to damn hi. So for black folks, the
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: price of change is too damn high. So I'm trying
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: to lower that price. And that's that's hard, hard as hell.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Jurd number five.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Who is it?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Heard about Jurd number five on the Trump trial. When
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: they interviewed her, they said that she gets her news
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: from TikTok.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: She gets her news from TikTok and Google, and she
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: said that she listens to inspirational podcasts in the breakfast club.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: So we were trying to figure out from a legal standpoint,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: why is that even that information doesn't.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: So during for Dyer, for Deer, you get to ask
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: a number of questions, and those questions have to be
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: You put your questions forth, the defense puts their questions forth,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: and then the judge reviews them and he put together
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: list of questions. And so I usually ask questions like
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: are you a member of the NRA? Like what bumper
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: stickers do you have? You know how much you could
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: tell about a person from their bumper stickers, like don't
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: tread on me, you know, the the blue black bumper stickers.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Like the law enforcement bumper stickers.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: But that's probably somebody you want on your jury, right,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, if you want to the university, yeah, or
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: who you voted for. You know, if I'm in a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: criminal trial, I want to know did you contribute to
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: what is it? Moms Against Drunk Drunk Driving? Matt right?
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Because that means that you just have this bit that
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: you may not give my client that type of grace.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: And so you're trying to figure out the psychology of
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: the juror by asking him that. And then there was
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: there was one juror I saw. I didn't even see
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: the breakfast let, but there's one jear I saw that
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: only gets their news from true social.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Really, they can't be a jurordy. They made it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Wow, this trial is crazy to play out. Oh, he's
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: gonna be found guilty.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be found guilty in this trial. He's gonna
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: be found guilty in the two criminal trials, federal criminal trials.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna go to prison. It's gonna be a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: bit of irony that he's gonna be a convicted fella,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: unable to vote for himself, but still could be president
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: of the United States.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's gonna win.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he's gonna win.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Not what you hope.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think. I mean, I'm looking at the fundamentals.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Charlemane and I shout out Jared too. We have these
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: conversations all the time, But I think the fundamentals are
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: the biggest threat to Joe Biden. Is not Donald Trump.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: It's not RFK, it's not Cornell West. It's the couch
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: like people will stay home and we have to get
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: out of this subject verb Donald Trump like. People are
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: tired of that. They know he has five kids by
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: three baby mamas, right, they know he's uncouth, they know
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: that he's been found guilty of rape or whatever. He
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: was found guilty of in the civil matter. They know
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: he has ninety one felon he counts and all that
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: other stuff, and they don't they don't care. But also,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: you know, part of it is we have to you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: we talk about this often. People say is your life
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: better now than it was four years ago? And people
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: usually say, you know, my life was better then. What
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: we've realized is that when they were talking when they
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: say that, when they answer the question that way, they're
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: not talking about necessarily because Donald Trump made it that way.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: They're talking about their life was better before COVID and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: still haven't bounced back. I think that Michigan is going
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to be very important. But I do believe that you're
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: starting to see black and brown voters come back to
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden and wake up. People are paying attention. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I think that Donald Trump has a very with a
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: low ceiling and a high floor. So he's gonna be
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: in the low forties period. I mean, that's just where
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he gonna live. He's gonna live at two. And I
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: think that Joe Biden can can eclipse that. I don't
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: necessarily want to see a debate, but you think you're
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: gonna see one anyway, Are.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: You afraid of what's happening on college campuses? Are you
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: afraid of young college kids who feel like they hate
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden's handling of Palestine Israel?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Look, they're out here screaming that they for guys, like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: what do you think about that? Yeah?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I think what's going on in college campus is shout
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: out to Jeelani Cobb over at Columbia. He's the dean
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: of the School of Journalism over there. They got their
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: hands full. I mean, I also think, though we have,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: the rise of anti Semitism that we've seen in this
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: country is palpable. It's something that we have to quell
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and and has no place in society. You know, for me,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: on college campuses, you believe college campus is to be
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: a place where you can exchange ideas. You believe college
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: campus is to be a place where you can go
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and have just this kind of unvarnished opportunity to learn
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: as much as possible. What you're seeing now on many
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: of these campuses is unrecognizable. And you know, I feel
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: for those college students who feel as if they're being persecuted,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: who are getting assaulted on that campus. There's no place
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: for that in terms of the way that plays out
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in an election, you know, it's do they vote even
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: it just from a pure or you know, practical standpoint,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: are we're talking about people who were voters right now,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and I think that they're going to be energized.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I do not see.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I don't see how anybody who has some level of
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: empathy or sympathy for what's happening in Gods of voting
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: for Donald Trump.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: But to your point, they might.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Stay home, correct, correct, they may stay home, and that
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: if there is a secession of fire between now and
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the election, which I believe they'll be, I think Joe
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Biden to be in a much better place.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Well, why this will harfer this country to reckon with
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: race just on a just on just in general.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Because we've never dealt with the original sin of this country.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've never dealt with or one of the
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: two original sins. Shout out to my Native American friends
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: and followers, but we've never dealt with We never we
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: never dealt with the issue of slavery like this country.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, we built this country for free, like we
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: were raped pillage. They took everything from us, and nobody
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: they act like that was like, we never dealt with that,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and then we we had you know, we had one
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: hundred years of oppression. In Jim Crow like, we we
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: literally have not been a republic until the Voting Rights
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Act in the mid nineteen sixties.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: People like, we haven't had full full right in this
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: country until nineteen sixties, and that we're still fighting for that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And so we never really dealt with that issue, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: now now be you know, one of the quotes I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: write in this book is that you know, for a
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: lot of a lot of people, including a lot of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: white folks that we love, that we talked to that
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: are our friends, equality feels like oppression to them, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that's the definition of white supremacy. And so we've just
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: never we've never dealt with it. I just don't want
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: more people to have to die. Which, oh, and going
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: back to college campuses, Look, we do have to we
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: have to do a couple of things. We have to
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: root out anti semitism at its route. We also do
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: not need Eric Adams in NYPD or Kathy Hochel and
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the National Guard on college campuses.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That shit don't mix.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, my dad was shot by law enforcement when they
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: were brought on campuses in nineteen eight. We had Kent State,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: we had Jackson State. Just let's figure out a way
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: to have some constructive conversations with students. These outside groups,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: arrest them, whoever's from the outside infiltrating these Prohamasu groups,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you know, arrest them, put them under the jail. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: college students, let's figure out a way to have some
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's figure out a way to have some dialogue.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: You go to chap the White Terror part two where
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: you talk about legal genocide and you talk about how
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: you and Ben Krump received so many threats that y'all
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: face for the work that you do.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: So it makes me wonder, is it is the work
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: worth it?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And shout out to Harry Daniels too, who worked with
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: us on that case, and Andrew Brown, is the work
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: worth it? I have a job that I wish didn't exist.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm working with a family right now
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Ricky Cobb, Yeah he was he was
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: gotten down by Minnesota State Police. And you know, just
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: seeing the pain these families go through. I mean, when
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you do this work, you have to be not only
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: their lawyer, but you have to be their psychologists, psychiatrist,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: their friend. I mean that we have have like you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: these phone conversations or meetings where we just kind of
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you have to let them grieve. You have to let
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: them get it out because they want justice. I mean,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: they're part of a fraternity sorority. You never want that knock.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: But you never want your loved one to be a
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: hashtag and you but you never know when it's gonna happen,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: and the threats we get. I mean Ben, I pray
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: for Ben all the time. Ben is one of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: most complicated, simple people you'll ever meet in your life.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Like he every Sunday he's in church with his family.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: When we travel, he goes shopping at Walmart, gets his
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: shirt dress pans. Like when we go out the restaurants,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: he get it, you know, fried shrimp or just a cheeseburger.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Well done, well done. We could be Papa, though, we
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: could be judge some of y'all well done, I got it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Some of y'all need Yes, it does some of y'all.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Some of y'all got some eating habits that should be judged, right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I just say it. But but he's a good dude. Man,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't get nearly the credit for the work
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that he does. And so shout out Ben and people
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like Harry Daniels, people who who do this work and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: who do it well.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Is it true that y'all aren't allowed to talk to
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: media about y'all cases.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: So sometimes, like when the cases filed, you have to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: be really careful about the things you say. And then
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: when cases settle, usually there's some level of confidentiality that's
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: involved around like what was going what numbers were going
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: back and forth. But you could talk about the cases
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: pretty free. I'll talk about Andrew Brown case and that now.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Also, I wanted you wrote a letter to your son Diste.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Let's let's why did you want to write that? And
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: how difficult was it to wrect that about his name?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Stokely Carmichael Kwameterray. I want it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: So this book we talk about black men a lot.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: We talked about the untapped voting power of black man.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And I wrote this letter to Stokeley because I wanted
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: him to know and be very proud of who he is.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I wanted him to know who his grandfathers were, right
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the strength of his grandfathers and his grandparents. I wanted
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: him to know the power that his dad holds and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: his grandfather holds. And I wanted him to know who
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Stokely Carmichael was. And Stokely was my dad's best friend.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: You know, Stokely was there when my dad he got
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: out of jail. You know, your best friend is there
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: when you get out of prison, right, And so he
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: was there for him then, and I just wanted him
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to know. I wanted him to feel when he reads
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: those words that he I don't want to say, king,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: we overuse that, but I wanted him to be a
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: very very proud black man when he reads that. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I want I wanted fathers, when they read that, to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: be able to realize that we have to talk to
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: our sons like this. And you know, even kids we
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: don't birth. There are a lot of black men running
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: around in our communities that don't have fathers, and we
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: have to be willing to wrap our arms around them
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: as well. And so it was it wasn't hard to write.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It was something I wanted to do, so it actually
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: flowed pretty freely.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Now you said faith and fear cannot coexist, Yeah, break that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Down, Yeah, it's tough for me because I have anxiety
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that's worse than most people know, like i have zeneral
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: anxiety disorder. So I'm in therapy once every two weeks
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: just to deal with it. Ayalavazant says that it's uh
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: when my when my thoughts are in my head without
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: adult supervision, right, and so for me, you're not supposed
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to be faithful with fear and that Bishop Jakes talks
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: to me about that all the time. Sometimes you just
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: have to literally let go and let God. That's when
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: my vices get the best of me. Sometimes when you
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: try to let go, that's when you find yourself in
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the shakams. That's when you or excuse me, the African
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: American performing arts centers, if you like black strip clubs
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: or ballets, if you like white strip clubs, And that's
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: when you find yourself in a bottle of Cosamigo's or
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Classau or whatever it is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: He is healing. Yeah, okay, self care.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Those are some of the best therapists in the world.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Shout out the city of Tampa, Atlanta. Some of the best,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: some of the best therapist some of the best therapists. Yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: but nah, so I just feel like you gotta you
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: have to be faithful. And I'm working on rooting out
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: that fear. I ain't there yet, because you know, fear
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: can become paralyzing. You'd be so afraid of what's outside
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you stay indoors, right, you know, And so you have
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: to you have to be willing to combat that stuff.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: And so shout out to Bishop Jakes. He's one of
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: He's one of the great heroes of our time.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Love that guy.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: What are the importance to Snick Man? We don't don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: hear ye talk about that enough? And what could Black
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: people today learn from Snick?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Snick was about Snick was about us. It was about
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: self empowerment.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Black people today could learn that if we don't have
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: any change, it does not start in It does not
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: start at sixteen hundred Pensylvania. It starts locally. It starts
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: in your in your precincts, It starts in your churches.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Snick was amazing because they went to places like Philadelphia, Mississippi,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: where Goodman, Shernan and Cheney were lynched and thrown in
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: a ravine. They went to they met people where they were,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: They stayed in their homes, They built community they empowered communities,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and my dad was one of the members of SNICK.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Judy Richardson, you know, Mary and Barry,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Julian Bond, you know all of these great great heroes
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and heroines that we just don't know enough about it,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and so I love them. I dedicated that book to
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the founders of SNICK, and it starts locally. I mean here,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: y'all got arguably one of the worst mayors in the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: United States of America, and so ya.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Y'all got a lot of work to damn.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Eric Adams.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric is.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Eric Adams comes from a bent in which he is
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: relatively old school, which is fine, but he frames his
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: discussion as if he is the sole arbiter of what's
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: right and what's wrong.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: He doesn't believe.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: In and sourcing opinions that are not his own. He
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: lives in a decently in echo chamber, and he believes
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: law enforcement to be the end all be all. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I know that crime has been a problem throughout most
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: major cities. We've seen crime decreasing, but it takes a community,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a community aspect. Eric is somebody who wants to be
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: a celebrity. You know, it's hard to be a public
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: servant and a celebrity. Those things don't really mesh. Barack
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Obama has people believing you can do both.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: But he was natural.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Eric is kind of best suited to be a deacon.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And you know, ain't nothing wrong with that. But I
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: don't know how many deacons you're gonna elect to be
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: mayor the largest city in the United States, and so,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is what it is.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, a couple of years you get to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: replace them.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: What do you think about the problem in these city
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: because you know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: The time, you have to look at it holistically though, right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: People say is one of some of the major problems
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: is the bail reform that a lot of these criminals
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: are repeat offenders, that they're not staying in long enough
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and they're coming out and they're doing the same crime.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I think last week a gentleman that punched a woman
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: in the face came out and then punched the six
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: year old girl in the face.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Now you got to lock them up, right, you know.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, like my mom and dad,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: they don't want they don't want fewer police, they want
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: better police.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I actually think you should pay police more because you
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: pay for what you get, right, if you want quality people,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I think the police police should go through psychological evaluations
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: not only when you get hired, but every couple of
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: years because it's a stressful job. So you don't need
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: a nut getting a hired to a stressful job. And
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: so but you have to look at crime holistically, like
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: right now. You know, for a long period of time,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: the reason we saw crime rates go up is because
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: people were hungry. And if they don't have food, they're
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: gonna come take yours.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: If they don't have a job, they go they gonna
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: get it by any means possible. It's a lot of
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: hustling going on. The price of the brick went up
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: exponentially you do criminal defense work. I was amazed by
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: how much people had to pay for a brick. I mean,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: as much as a brick right now. I don't want
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to tell you because I feel like I might know
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: too much. Yeah no, so right now, my partner's telling
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: me they were paying forty five to fifty.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: God damn fu key. Yeah, I thought Jesus is seventeen five,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: didn't That was a long time. That wasn't even true.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, a decent price for a
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: long perit of the time was thirty five, thirty thirty five.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: They were seventeen. We all should have been selling dope
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: back then.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: You know how much money you can make off seventeen five.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: All right, guys, right, what do you think about Mayor
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Adams saying it's an attack on black man across the country.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: He was here on Breakfast Club and he said that
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: it was an attack.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: It's an attack on black mayors all across the country.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But he's like, if you talk about black mayors, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: mean he I don't think he's in the top ten.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I mean you got people like you got people who
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: doing great work. Andre Dickens Atlanta, great work. Shout out, Andre.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: You got the mayor of Birmingham, my good friend, Randall Wolf.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: And you've got the mayor of Little Rock, Frank Scott.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: You got the mayor of Charlotte Bileiles right, you got London.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Breed got her hands full out there in San Francisco.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: She working hard every single day. So I mean, look,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: there is ross Barrock and oh Rosboro. Oh, and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: forgot my homeboy down in Jackson Jacksonssissippi.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Choquay Chokquay, Lamomba.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So you got you got people, and I hope, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: hope ros Ella Karen Bass, Karen Bass. Oh, Karen Bass
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: is dope and she has her hands full of la.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: You got all these people that are better than Eric.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But there is an attack on black men like nah,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I can tell you know what I mean. But people
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I don't like, they know it and I you know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: So how does it get personal between y'all?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: It's not personal.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: No, I am constructively criticizing the job that he does
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: like I do the same thing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: In the book.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I talk about Jason Whitlock, I talk about Stephen A. Smith,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I talk about ice Cube, and I don't have I
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: don't know him to dislike him personally.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: But what you say about Stephen A.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Smith, I think that Stephen A. Smith, I think that
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: he appreciates the white gaze, and I think that he's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: made him the.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: White gaze appreciating community.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't say g A Z gays days g A
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Z e. I'm but no, you know, you know, you
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: know he he piles around with the Sean hannitys and
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Tucker Callson's of the world.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He he gives him their platform.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Just you know, last week he's talking about how when
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump says that black folk find it relatable that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: he's going through his prosecution, I think that his anti intellectualism.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Stephen A.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Smith confused that that persecution with prosecution like there is
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you cannot compare the plight of my father who got
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: wrongfully arrested, went the trial, went to prison. Right, that
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: is a that is a persecution to the plight of
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. Shot at shot, not even shot at shot, right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: So you can't you can't compare that. And I think
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I think that he talks loudly, and I think he
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: comes from just a place of anti intellectualism where he
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't know. And I think that he's used as a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: conduit for white supremacy, particularly in these echo chambers. And
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: what happens is white folk, white conservatives are able to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: be like, when you say dumb stuff, like, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: black people find it relatable that Donald Trump is indicted. Right,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: First of all, it perpetuates stereotypes that we're hyper criminalized,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But when you say that, white folk now
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: look at you and be like, Aha, there's even a
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Negro that says that too. And he's just a He's
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: kind of a useful idiot when it comes to things
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: like that. Now I disagree with his sports takes all
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the time, right, but that is what it is. But
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the stakes are too high for that level of ignorance.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And so you know, you know, Jason Whitlock is a
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: is a different animal. I think Jason with like ice cubes,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Stephen A. Smith are all in different lanes. I don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: want people to think they're the same, but I do
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: think they contribute to an erosion of our culture and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: particularly the success thereof I was.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Like the generalization of when they asked those questions, Like
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: if somebody asked Stephen A. Smith that he shouldn't accept it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: He should say I can't speak for all black people.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, but he that's what I'm that's anti intellectualism
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: when you but and that's also like a weird level
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: of confidence because he appreciated the question. So he was like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm an arbiter of all things that are black. Let
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: me tell you how black folks feel. But I mean
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: he used to hang out like to Sheriff David Clark.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I mean you heard what he said about remember back
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. You gave him donkey a day in
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, if I'm not mistaken, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: because he was like back when j R. Smith then
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the players were wearing hoodies, he said that they shouldn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: wear hoodies because it will remind white people of Trayvon Martin.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Like what are we talking about. I mean, this isn't
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the this isn't the first time we've been down this
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: path with him, and so you know, it's about accountability
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: in our community.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So I just called him.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Out a nice cube.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: So I think ice Cube pops his head up when
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: he needs attention. The most recent thing we saw was
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Caitlyn Clark, for example, right offering Kaitlyn Clark five million
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: dollars one. He ain't got five million dollars to pay
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Kaylen Clark two. Caitlin Clark said she found out about
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: the offer the same time everybody else found out about
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the offer right on Twitter. So it wasn't it wasn't
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: even a real thing. In three, you got black women
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: like Asian Wilson, who's been dominating for a long time.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Pay throw her half a meal, right two hundred and fifty.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Then we had the black agenda, which he came up
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: with himself, I guess, and it wasn't clear. It didn't
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: articulate our needs. He had the ability to talk to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: black women in particular who were reaching out to him,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: he shut them down. And so I just want people
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: to be held accountable, like people hold me accountable. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: if you have a problem with what I do, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: mean I'll take the criticism and be willing to.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Move forward either be a part of solution to get
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: out the way.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: So how do you use that level of celebrity like
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: an ice cube, like a Steven A.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Smith? How do you use that to the benefit?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at look at people like John Legend,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: look at people like Kerry Washington, people who who who
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: are in their lane, who are inquisitive, who want to
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: learn more.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Look at Charlemagne.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: The people hate me, but let me ask a question
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: about Charlemagne.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like people do hate you. But the problem with the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: problem with.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That sometimes I feel like people forget the good that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: people do and when they do something that's a misstep,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: they take that mistip down the road.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I mean they do that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: We see what did you think about the breakfast club
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: having candas owns on it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: That was a decision.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: But but I don't for being your friend.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't mind you having I don't mind
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you having Candace owns On if you're holding her accountable, right.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I think the problem with Candas Owns is that she
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: went on this tour to be hugged by black personalities
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and she wanted to be re engaged in the black
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: community because she's been ostracized because of her anti Semitism
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: from her home. And I don't have any use for
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Candace Owns. I offer to debate her. She she wanted
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to debate me, offer me one hundred thousand dollars to
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: debate her. I said, I'll do it. Just do it
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: on the HBCU campus. It was crickets, right, And so
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: you just have to know, don't I don't want you,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you guys to be played because somebody wants to re
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: engage or find a new place in our community and
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: find a new place in our home.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't even think she was trying to do that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Like Candace has been wanting to come on Burke's Club
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: for years. Like I've talked to Candas six seven years ago. Yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: so it was just to me, it was just they
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: bring up for have a conversation.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't and I don't think. I'm not
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: somebody who believes in canceling people. I'm not somebody who
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: believes that you should not have a conversation. But if
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: you gonna have that conversation, you can't just get free ring.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: You gotta be willing to push back on it. Like
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Candis Owens is an anti semi like period, right, Candas
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: owns holds views and opinions that I believe are are
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: just anti antithetical to what it means to be black
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: in this country. Candas Owns props up white supremacy. I mean,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I think all of those things are fact, and I
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: think as long if you want to have a conversation,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: but we can have it rooted in fact and so
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: be it.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, right because you know, I hear people
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: like Candae Omnes talk and I'm saying to myself, I
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: don't know if they're propping up white supremacy or if
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: that is just another way that black people think, especially
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: black conservatives. And the reason I say that, especially with
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: the blexted thing, right, Yeah, And they was like, yo,
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: let's let's get people off of the Democratic plantation. They
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: don't have to be conservative, but let's just start to
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: get them to think independently. I don't know if that's
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: necessarily proping off white supremacy.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Canas is now in a way, Cannis and Tucker are
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just in a weird you know, it was nine eleven
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: an inside job?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Was the moon landing? Fake? Is the Holocaust real?
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: We know a lot of brothers that talk like that, though,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: we know a lot of black people who.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Talk like that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Look and we have and that that is fine.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: And when you're in the barbershop, what you call them
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: dumb as hell?
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: It depends.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I'm at the point right now, I'm like, I don't
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: know what's what anymore.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: But there is reality, there is fact, and then there's not.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And that Donald Trump has done a great job of
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: just pushing back on our institutions. So people begin the
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: question stuff and it's nonsense. I mean, you know, questioning
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: is the Holocaust real?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Is?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Oh? That's just ridiculous.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: That is disrespectful too. I mean that's about that's about
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: as bad as who said that. It's like we learned
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: slavery was good was a choice. Oh, slavery was a choice,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: was Kanye Kanye? And then Ron DeSantis was We learned
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: a lot from slavery that was benefits to it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I mean those things are just so.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Why does Kanye get so many passes from who? From
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: people in general?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Because he talented exactly.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: So so like we pick and choose who we want
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: to crucify, we pick and choose who we want to ostracize.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, can't nobody to do eight o eight's
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: like Kanye.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Kanye?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I don't do Kanye West at all, like I haven't
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: for a very long period of time since college drop out.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Very easy today though who.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: People shout out to Puma, I got my sway, my sway.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Poo was No, I don't think. I don't think people
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: get a pass. I think that with with more talent,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: there's more grace, but I think that grace is worn out.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Like Kanye don't have no home in the black community
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: no more.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: You think I don't know about that one, but I
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: think he does a lot of peoples. Kanye the number
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: one album just had a number one album, and that's
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: the one.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: But it just got thrown by Drake.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Still though he still had a number I don't know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Like I said, number one single, number
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: one single, number one single.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And the number one single hours pushing.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: He had a number one album, number one album single
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Number one single to the number one single was Fortnite
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I'm a swiftye.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Number one single, number one Carnival weeks ago.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: A few weeks ago.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: But because Taylor Swift replaced him, and then Drake just
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: and and her her songs charted.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just interesting you had Taylor Swift up here.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: It's just interesting having conversations.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, what's the never about?
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I mean like never, No, Yeah, it's just interesting having
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: conversations with black people with different trains of thought. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes we do do ourselves with this service
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: by staying in our own echo chamber and just labeling
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: people dumb because they think differently than we do.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: No, Kanye West is dumb though.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: No, I agree some people who think differently than you,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: it's fine, but Kanye West, Kanye.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: West is dumb done at certain subjects.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Ye, Like he is a genius. He is a genius,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: He's brilliant. I think if you put him in a studio,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: there aren't many people who can compete with him. But
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I think when he is running for president of the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: United States, a lot of the things he says it's dumb.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like it's a lot of times
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: it's who he's getting his information from.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a certain level of individual responsibility too, Like
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: where you're getting your news from, Like that is not
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: a Democrat or Republican thing. Ain't nobody that is? That
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: is a willful click on your part or just a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: phone call you make to get your news from wherever
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you get it from. And so that is my you know, look,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: that is my like libertarian bent. That is individual responsibility
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: at its finest.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Do you think the news is doing a poor job
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: of amplifying and highlighting the things that the administration gets, right,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: because it seems like all they do all day is
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: talk about how bad Trump is.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: To your point, nobody cares about that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't want to, Yeah, I don't
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: want to hear about Trump farton in court. I don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: want to hear about him falling asleep. Right, I mean,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: like like treat them like every other criminal defendant, Right,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: but yeah, you don't hear about what Joe Biden did
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: for black farmers. You don't hear about the seven billion
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: dollars for HBCUs. You don't hear about the fact that
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the number of black businesses, the share of black businesses
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: between twenty twenty two and twenty nineteen has doubled.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: You don't hear about what he and Kamala Harris have
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: done for African American femal mortality. You don't hear about
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the holdings or the writings opinions of Ken Tanji Brown Jackson,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: who he put on the Supreme Court. You just don't.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: You don't really hear enough about those things. And so
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: is that the media's fault?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yes? Is that the White House's fault? Yes? Right?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: And so there is a certain level of distrust. You know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Kamala Joe Biden are not the best messengers. People don't
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: even really listen to Barack Obama like that anymore.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, So, I mean we got to find the
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: people who are I would argue that people listen to y'all,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: then listen to them, right, And so, you know, it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: important that you have the right messengers out there meeting
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: people where they are.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: You know they're gearing up to blame this election if
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Biden loses. You know they're gearing up to blame it
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: on black men.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I know I write about that, and you know, for
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: a long period of time, you can't just show up
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: and begin to talk to black men. You know, at
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Labor Day, I think we have to do a better
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: job of listening to black men, all of them, about
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the pain that they're feeling. It's hard. It's hard being
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: a black man in this country because when you walk
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: outside your doors, you're not loved. You have to live
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: in this perpetual state of angst and anxiety because you
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: don't know what's coming your way. You have to take
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: care of your household. For me, I have a wife,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I have three kids that I spend a great deal
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: of my time in my own head making sure I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: can provide for them. You're making sure ends meet, the
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: stresses that you deal with, the way people look at you,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: and the way you have to carry yourself.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: We live in a very toxic type of environment, and
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: so I talk about all of those things, and we
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: have to listen to the pain that black men are
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: going through until we begin to open our ears and
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: listen to that. You'll continue to see slippage and they
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of black men will gravitate to
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the toxicity or the toxic masculinity that is Donald Trump.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: They black men who were voting for Donald Trump. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: don't think it's great numbers, but they're voting for him
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: because he looks tough, he talks hard, right, I mean,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: that's what it is. It's a personality. It's an entertainment factor.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And we have to understand that, right. We have to
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: understand where that comes from, and then you'll be able
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to attack it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Is.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: What's your hope for this book? What's the biggest takeaway
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: you want people to get from the moment.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I want people to realize where we are and where
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: we can go. And I want people to realize that,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: particularly as black people, we have the ability to change
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: our destination. I want at the end of it, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: talk about young people in this country and I go
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to Applebe's a lot, right. And the reason I go
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: to Applebe's off from the va on Garners Ferrias because
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: they pour liquor like it ain't their own. You know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: they actually pour, they actually pulled like they're supposed to
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: these fancy places anyway. But I was talking to the
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: bartender and she told me she was born in two thousand,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: and I was like, man, there's more. And I begin
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to think about that. I was like, imagine a kid
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: born in two thousand. They've seen nine eleven. They've seen
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: a housing crisis, a financial crisis, election of the first
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: black president, Tea Party reelection of the first black president,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Parkland fort Hood, Charleston massacre. They've seen the synagogue shooting.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: They've had the largest shooting in the mass shooting in
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: the history of the country in Las Vegas, Nevada. They've
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: seen the election of Donald Trump. They've they've an insurrection, insurrection,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: They've seen COVID, They've seen the precipice of World War Three.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: They've seen Russia and Vaye Ukraine. And they've done all
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: of this under the auspices of social media, where it's like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: you know, just the vitriol that is what it is.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And they're still here. I mean, these young people are
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: so dope. Your kids are amazing. I mean, that's why
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: they need more grace. All of us have kids that
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: are amazing, because they're still here. I mean, y'all are
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: worried that you, I mean, anywhere he's gonna show up
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: in the freaknik Uh documentary.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Definitely not that's that. That was not my I was.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: That's a real fit that everybody should be afraid about that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, these young people they need grace,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and I write that that you know, they give me hope,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of hope to be half.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, book, new book, the moment is out
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Make sure you go pick it up.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: And I want you to know he bought it right
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: back to food with apple Bee's food and liquor.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: You get the book is hard. Okay.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Look, when first started talking about inflation, He's like, the
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: white and too damn hot.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: The white.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: It was too My daddy went to pig Man. That's
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: how I knew it was real. He was like, we
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: were just talking. He was like, man, you've seen the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: price of whiting. It's the breakfast club.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Good morning.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast Club