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Elon Musk Weekly News Update: Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, and More · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hey everybody, welcome back to the Elon Musk Podcast.
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  This is a show where we discuss the critical Crossroads, The
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  Shape, SpaceX, Tesla X, The Boring Company, and Neuralink,
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  and I'm your host, Will Walden. If you want uninterrupted
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  episodes of the Elon Musk podcast, please go to
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  clubelon.supercast.com to find out how there's a link in the
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  show notes Some very interesting news is happening down at
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  Starbase, Texas. A proposed land exchange
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  involving nearly 500 acres of land near Laguna at Escosa
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  National Wildlife Refuge and 43 acres of Boca Chica State Park
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  has sparked a debate, with Cameron County Judge Eddie
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  Trevino Junior recently expressing support for the swap
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  in a commentary. Now this is important.
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  This is big news for SpaceX because they need more land to
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  expand the Starbase facility, so they continue building starships
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  at that area. Now this land deal aims to
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  safeguard the unique natural environment of Cameron County,
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  Texas, which is around Starbase but has faced criticism with
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  environmental groups nearby. Now Trevino shows that the
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  exchange is crucial for preserving the county's
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  distinctive ecosystems, which includes various plant and
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  animal species. And he also argues that the 477
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  acres in question are vital for the protection of delicate
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  coastal dunes and the nesting grounds of endangered birds,
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  highlighting the environmental significance of this land.
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  Now, Trevino is a big proponent of SpaceX, but the county judges
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  support for the land swap marks a shift from his earlier
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  skepticism, which was rooted in a lack of information from the
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  Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.
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  Trevino now believes that the exchange is well-intentioned and
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  essential for Cameron County's environmental future, thanks to
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  improved collaboration with the TPWD.
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  Now, Trevino's endorsement of the land deal is framed around a
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  commitment to sustainability environmental stewardship.
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  Now, Mary Angela Branch from SAVE RGV, which is an
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  environmental advocacy group, criticized Trevino's position,
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  arguing that the proposed land exchange would further harm the
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  local ecosystem. She contends that industrial
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  expansions are already transforming the area into a
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  wasteland. She's talking about starbase,
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  contradicting the goal of preserving natural habitats.
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  Now, Branch points out the ecological differences between
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  the two parcels of land involved in the swap.
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  She emphasizes that Boca Chica Beach serves as a crucial
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  habitat for shore birds, unlike the land offered by SpaceX,
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  which is characterized by thorn scrub and lack of suitable
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  nesting areas for those kind of birds.
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  Now the avodwell advocate warns that the land exchange could
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  lead to restricted access to natural areas and decline in the
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  biodiversity that Driffino aims to protect.
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  She argues that the development will erode the area's natural
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  beauty and ecological richness, marking a case for the
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  irreversible impact of such land deals.
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  Now SpaceX needs this land in order to expand Starbase Now
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  Branch's concerns extend to a broader consequences of the land
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  swap, suggesting it could set a dangerous precedent for the
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  future development. And she urges the community to
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  consider the long term environmental costs of
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  facilitating industrial expansion at the expense of
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  natural habitats. The TPWD is scheduled to hold a
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  special Commission meeting to discuss this and vote on the
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  land exchange proposal. A decision will be made in the
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  context of significant public interest and debate over the
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  environmental and cultural impacts of the swap.
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  And despite reaching out for comment, Trevino's office has
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  yet to respond to inquiries about his support of this deal.
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  The outcome of the TPWD meeting and any subsequent statements
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  from involved parties are highly anticipated, and the land swap
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  proposal is garnered attention not only from environmental
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  groups, but also for its potential impact on local
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  recreational opportunities and conservation efforts.
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  Exchanges, viewed by some as a way to enhance the state's
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  Environmental Conservation initiatives and critics of this
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  land swap, including environmental groups and
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  indigenous tribes, argue that Spacex's expansion encroaches on
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  culturally and environmentally sensitive areas.
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  They fear that the swap could exacerbate this issue, leading
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  to further degradation of important lands.
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  Now, this decision to move up the vote on the land swap is a
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  special meeting suggests an urgency that aligns with
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  Spacex's operational timelines. They could be playing in favor
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  to SpaceX and Starship, and this has raised concerns about the
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  thoroughness of the public's examination of the plan and its
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  implications. At a recent news conference,
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  environmental and indigenous representatives voiced their
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  opposition to this land swap, highlighting the cultural and
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  environmental significance of the affected areas.
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  They argue the Spacex's activities threatened the
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  integrity of these lands. The transformation of the Rio
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  Grande Valley by Spacex's operations has been a point of
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  contention, too, with local communities and
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  environmentalists raising concerns about the impact of
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  noise, light pollution and construction on the area's
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  natural and social environment. Now, legal challenges to
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  Spacex's expansion, such as the lawsuit against the FAA, show
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  that there's an ongoing conflict between development and
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  Environmental Conservation in this region.
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  The proximity of the proposed land swap to key wildlife
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  habitats has alarmed these conservationists, who stressed
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  the importance of protecting these areas for the biodiversity
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  they support, especially for migratory and wintering birds.
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  I want to know what you think of the comments.
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  Do you think it's OK for environmentalists to push back
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  against SpaceX? Do you think we should look in
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  the environment before we build any sort of structure for a
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  future spacefaring species? I'm in between here.
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  I think it's important for us to become a spacefaring species.
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  We need to go multiplanetary. But also, I love the Earth, it's
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  the best planet and we live here.
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  So I'm kind of torn. And the ownership and management
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  of the lands involved in the proposed swap, as well as their
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  environmental and cultural value, are central to the debate
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  surrounding this issue. The outcome of the TPW DS
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  decision could have lasting implications for the region now
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  this proposed land exchange. It's complex.
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  There's Environmental Conservation, industrial
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  expansion, and community interest as well.
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  While some view this swap as a necessary step for environmental
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  stewardship, others see it as a threat to the area's natural and
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  cultural heritage. The upcoming TPWD meeting will
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  be a crucial moment in determining the future of these
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  lands, but more importantly, it's crucial for people becoming
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  multiplanetary. In this next section, Elon Musk
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  talks about the future of AI. Stay tuned.
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  Well, I I generally think that that that it is good for
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  government to play a role when the public safety is, is at
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  risk. So you know really for the vast
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  majority of software the public safety is not at risk.
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  I mean if if the app crashes on your phone or your laptop, it's
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  not a massive catastrophe. But when talking about digital
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  super intelligence I think which does pose a risk to the public,
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  then there is a role for government to play to safeguard
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  the interests of the public. And and this is of course true
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  in, in many fields. You know, aviation cars, you
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  know, I deal with regulators throughout the world because of
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  stalling, being communications, rockets being aerospace and
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  cars, you know, being tracked, vehicle transport.
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  So very familiar with dealing with with regulators.
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  And I actually agree with the vast majority of regulations.
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  There's a few that I disagree with from time to time.
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  But point 1% probably well less than 1% of regulations I
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  disagree with. So there is some concern from
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  people in Silicon Valley who who never dealt with regulators
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  before and they think that this is going to just crush
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  innovation and and slow them down and be annoying and and and
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  it will be annoying. It's true they're not wrong
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  about that but but I think there's we've learned over the
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  years that having a referee is a good thing and if you look at
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  any sports game there's always a a referee and and nobody's
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  suggesting I have a sports game without one and and I think
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  that's the the right way to think about this is for for
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  governed to be a a referee to make sure the sportsmanlike
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  conduct and and and that the public safety is you know is is
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  addressed that we care about public safety.
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  Because I think there might be at times too much optimism about
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  technology and I speak I say that as a technologist I mean so
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  I ought to know and and and and like I said on on balance I
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  think that that the AI will be a forceful good most likely but
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  the probability of it going bad is not 0%.
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  So we we just need to mitigate the downside potential The the
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  pace of of AI is faster than any technology I've seen in history
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  by far and it's it seems to be growing in capability by at at
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  least five full perhaps 10 full per year.
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  It'll certainly grow by an order of magnitude next year.
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  So so and and and government isn't used to moving at that
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  speed, but I but I think even if there are not firm regulations,
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  even if there's not, even if there isn't an enforcement
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  capability. So we're having insight and
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  being able to highlight concerns to the public will be very
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  powerful. So even if that's all that's
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  accomplished, I think that will be very, very good.
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  I mean the the two currently the two leading Centers for AI
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  development are the San Francisco Bay area and the and
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  the sort of London area and there are many other places
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  where it's being done, but those are the two leading areas.
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  So I think if you know if the United States and the UK and and
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  China are sort of aligned on on safety that's all going to be a
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  a good thing because that's really that's where that's
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  that's where the the leadership is.
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  Generally if if we don't if if China is not on board with AI
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  safety it it's somewhat of a mood situation.
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  The single biggest objection but I get to in kind of AI
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  regulation or or sort of safety controls are well China's not
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  going to do it and therefore they will just jump into the
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  lead and exceed us all. But but actually China is
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  willing to participate in AI safety and thank you for
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  inviting them and I and they you know I think we should thank
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  China for for attending. When I was when I was in China
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  earlier this year the my main subject of discussion with this
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  the leadership in China was AI safety and saying that this this
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  is really something that they they should care about and they
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  took it seriously and and I'm and and you ought to which is
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  which is great and having them here I think was essential
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  really if they're if they're if they're not participants it's
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  it's pointless. Well the open source algorithms
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  and data tend to lag the closed source by 6 to 12 months but so
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  that so that given the rate of improvement that this actually
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  therefore quite a big difference between the the closed source
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  and the and the open. If things are improving by a
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  factor of let's say five or more than being a year behind is your
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  five times worse that's it's a pretty big difference and that
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  might be actually an OK situation but it it certainly is
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  will get to the point where you've got open source AI that
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  can do that that will start to approach human level
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  intelligence will perhaps succeeded.
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  I don't know quite what to do about it.
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  I I I think it's somewhat inevitable that there'll be some
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  amount of open source and I I I guess I would have a slight bias
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  towards open source because at least you can see what's going
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  on there was a closed source you don't know what's going on.
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  Now, it should be said with AI that even if it's open source,
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  do you actually know what's going on?
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  Because if you've got a gigantic data file and, you know, sort of
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  billions of of of data points or weights and parameters, you
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  can't just read it and see what it's going to do.
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  It's a gigantic file of inscrutable numbers.
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  You can test it when you when you run it, you can test it.
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  You can run a bunch of tests to see what it's going to do.
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  But it's it's probabilistic as opposed to deterministic.
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  It's not it's not like traditional programming where
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  you've got it. Yeah you've got very discrete
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  logic and and and the outcome is very predictable and you can
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  read each line and see what each line's going to do.
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  A a neural net is just a whole bunch of probabilities.
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  I mean it sort of ends up being a giant comma separated value
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  file. It's like our digital God is a
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  CSB file. If if you have a magic genie
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  that can do everything you want. I I I do think we we it's it's
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  it's hard you know when it when when this new technology tends
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  to have usually follow an S curve.
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  In this case we're going to be on the exponential portion of
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  the S curve for a long time and you know we have like so you'll
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  be able to ask for anything. It won't be and we won't have
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  universal basic income. We'll have universal high
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  income. So in some in some sense it'll
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  be somewhat of a leveller or an equalizer, you know, because
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  really I think everyone will have access to this magic genie
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  and you're able to ask any question.
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  It'll be certainly be good for education, you it'll be the best
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  tutor you could and then the most patient tutor, except
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  they're all there and there will be no shortage of goods and
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  services will be an age of abundance I think.
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  If I I'd recommend people read in banks, the the banks culture
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  books are probably the best envisioning.
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  In fact, not probably. They're definitely by far the
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  best envisioning of an AI future.
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  There's nothing even close, so I'd recommend really recommend
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  Banks Very big fan. All these books are good,
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  doesn't say which one, all of them.
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  So so that's that that'll give you a sense of what is AI.
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  Guess a fairly utopian protopian future with with AI.
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  Eventually when we were talking earlier, I have to somewhat
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  engage in deliberate suspension of disbelief because I'm I'm
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  putting so much blood, sweat and tears into a work project and
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  burning the, you know, 3:00 AM oil.
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  Then I'm like, wait, why am I doing this?
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  I can just wait for the AI to do it.
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  I'm just lashing myself for no reason.
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  Must be a glutton for punishment or something.
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  So I think it's probably is generally a good thing because
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  you know, there are a lot of jobs that are uncomfortable or
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  dangerous or sort of tedious and the computer will have no
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  problem doing that. We're happy to do that all day
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  long. So you know, it's fun to cook
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  food, but it's not that fun to wash the dishes and like, but
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  the computer's perfectly happy to wash the dishes.
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  I guess there is you know we still have sports like where
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  where where humans compete in like the Olympics and obviously
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  a machine can can go faster than any human but we still have we
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  still humans race against each other and and have all you know
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  we have at least sports competitions against each other
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  where even though the machines are better we're actually I
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  guess competing to see who can be the best human at something
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  and and people do find performance in that.
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  So I guess that's perhaps a a good example of how even when
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  machines are faster than us, stronger than us, we still find
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  a way we still we still enjoy competing against other humans.
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  We certainly tutors are going to be amazing apps already are.
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  I think there's also apps companionship which may seem odd
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  because how can the computer really be your friend.
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  But if you if you have an AI that has memory you know and
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  remembers all of your interactions and has read every,
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  you're going to say like give it permission to read everything
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  you've ever done. So it really will know you
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  better than anyone perhaps even yourself and and and where you
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  can talk to it every day and and those conversations bolt upon
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  each other. You will actually have a great
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  friend as as long as that friend can stay your friend and not get
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  turned off or something. But I think that will actually
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  be a real thing and I've one of my sons is is sort of has some
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  learning disabilities and has trouble making friends actually
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  and and I was like well you know he an AI friend would actually
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  be great for him. This next story is interesting.
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  It's about a New Jersey resident who is a Starlink thief with
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  over 675 units. Let's take a listen to this.
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  It's very intriguing. A New Jersey resident has been
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  apprehended for the alleged trafficking of a substantial
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  number of SpaceX Starlink terminals, estimated at 675
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  units, acquired through illicit means, involving stolen credit
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  card details and compromised Starlink billing accounts.
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  According to law enforcement authorities, this guy, Kelvin
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  Rodriguez Moya, 35, faced arrest after being intercepted by the
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  police on December 4th. He was in possession of 223
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  Starlink terminals while driving a big up truck and trailer
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  shortly after departing from a residence in Lawrence Township,
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  NJ. As stated in the criminal
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  complaint now, the shipping labels on the terminals
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  indicated various names, but were all directed to a single
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  address. This anomaly raised suspicions
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  and prompted the Lawrence Township Police to initiate an
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  investigation following a tip off regarding the unusual volume
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  of Starlink terminals being delivered to one particular
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  home. Now, during the police
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  surveillance, Rodriguez Moya was observed loading a FedEx
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  consignment of the terminals onto his vehicle, and the police
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  stop revealed the extent of this operation, with Moya confessing
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  that he was compensated $300 to transport the terminals to
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  Newark for resale purposes. Now the investigation uncovered
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  that the total worth of the Starlink terminals involved in
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  this scheme amounted to approximately $400,000.
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  Bennett Wu from SpaceX, responsible for payment risk and
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  fraud, described the seizure of the company's quote most
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  extensive fraud recovery to date, highlighting the
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  significant scale of the separation.
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  Now, Lieutenant Kevin Redding of the Lawrence Township Police
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  provided insights into the ongoing investigation,
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  indicating that the case's complexities are still being
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  unraveled with the assistance of SpaceX to understand the
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  procurement process of these terminals.
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  Now Starling terminals are in very high demand globally right
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  now, offering high speed Internet connectivity via
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  Spacex's satellite constellation and their significant extends
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  beyond civilian years, though attracting interest from
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  military and governmental bodies worldwide, further complicating
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  the implications of such a trafficking operation.
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  Now the situation took an international turn when
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  Ukrainian intelligence reported the use of Starlink terminals by
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  Russian military forces in occupied Ukrainian territories,
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  a claim the SpaceX under Elon Musk's leadership has denied,
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  stating no direct or indirect sales were made to Russia.
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  And following his arrest, Rodriguez Moya faces charges
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  related to receiving and trafficking stolen property,
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  highlighting the serious nature of the allegations against him.
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  Now details emerge from a recorded police interview where
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  Rodriguez Moya recounted his involvement with the Starlink
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  terminals dating back to November, introducing individual
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  named Alberto who played a part in orchestrating the shipments
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  to the Roxboro Road address. Now the Lawrence Township
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  Police's discovery of the stolen property resulted from a
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  meticulously conducted 3 month investigation leading to
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  Rodriguez Moya's arrest and the revelation of a sophisticated
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  operation leveraging stolen credit card information for
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  acquiring the terminals. Now, initial police alerts were
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  triggered by the abnormal volume of shipments to the Roxboro Road
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  address, with subsequent investigations revealing the
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  online purchase and delivery mechanism exploited by the
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  perpetrators for their operations.
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  And the seizure of over 200 terminals during a vehicular
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  stop marked a breakthrough in this case.
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  Though they provided tangible evidence of the trafficking
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  operation and enabled the recovery of a fraction of the
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  stolen assets. Spacex's official statement on
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  the magnitude of the fraud recovery shows that this is
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  pretty big deal and it's the largest operation within the
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  company's history and it sets a new benchmark for fraud related
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  losses and recoveries. For SpaceX and Starlink Now, the
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  progression saw involvement from federal authorities too.
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  With the FBI being notified indicating the potential broader
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  ramifications of this case, and the interagency collaboration
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  required to address such sophisticated criminal
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  activities, You have to wonder, what did they do with these
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  terminals? Who did they sell them to?
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  Did they sell them out of the United States?
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  Those questions will hopefully be answered in the months to
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  come, and despite attempts to reach Rodriguez Moya's legal
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  representatives for comments, there was no immediate response,
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  leaving many questions unanswered to us regarding his
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  defense and the allegations. Specifics.
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  Now the use of the Lawrence Township location as a
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  logistical hub for the stolen properties distribution paints
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  kind of a picture of a well organized operation, leveraging
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  the anonymity and efficiency of online transactions to
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  perpetrate large scale fraud. Now Rodriguez Moya is awaiting a
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  detention hearing. The case remains A focal point
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  for law enforcement and also SpaceX.
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  They're coming for this guy, reflecting the ongoing
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  challenges in combating sophisticated digital fraud, in
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  the importance of safeguarding against such vulnerabilities in
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  an increasingly connected world. And also Starlink.
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  They're worth a lot of money. People want to get their hands
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  on them. Sometimes it's hard to get them.
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  When I was in Boca Chica, Texas, when I lived in Brownsville and
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  I was covering Spacex's Starship, I would have thought I
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  could have gotten a Starlink immediately, because that's
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  where SpaceX is based. Almost.
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  But I had to wait almost a year just to get signed up for a
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  terminal. And my sister, who lives in
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  rural New York, she had to wait two years for hers.
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  Finally got it. But they're in high demand still
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