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Thursday August 27 2026 | Lindsay Clancy Trial/ Flock Cameras/ “Shut Up and…” · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 3: I'm done. I'm done.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on the couch eating Doritos.
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  Speaker 2: Forget it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this workout is for the birds. I had
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  Speaker 3: in the ICU unit. We'll have a recovery on the ventilator.
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  Speaker 3: Can they do a ventilator for wrist surgery?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It could be arranged. It can all
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  Speaker 2: be arranged.
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  Speaker 3: I want my name on it. But in any event,
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  Speaker 3: we are ready and raring and excited, and I decided
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  Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I want to hear about the
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  Speaker 3: Lindsey Clancy final closing arguments because you saw a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it. I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I sure did. Chilling.
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  Speaker 3: This is the woman who's strangled by her own admission
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  Speaker 3: with her own bare hands. Or did she use a rope?
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  Speaker 3: I saw some where she used a rope. I think, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There were ropes. There were ropes.
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  Speaker 3: There was death. Three little babies that counted on mama.
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  Speaker 3: And mama decided to turn into a demon and kill
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  Speaker 3: them all. And, of course, it's postpartum depression fault. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's all that. And we'll get into all that in
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  Speaker 2: I think three. I think three total.
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  Speaker 3: So I started thinking about the $ 15, 000 to provide an ultrasound.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, wait a minute. Why don't we have a
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  Speaker 3: super exclusive lunch offering in Dallas, Mark and Mike in
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  Speaker 3: person for any five people total? Five people, $ 3, 000 each.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean it. We're going to hold it at five.
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  Speaker 3: If you're willing to make a $ 3, 000 tax-deductible donation to
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  Speaker 3: provide an ultrasound machine to pre-born, I want you to
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  Speaker 3: We're going to only do this for five people. Here's
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  Speaker 3: DeMille to weigh in. Do we let the five donors
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  Speaker 3: bring their significant other, or should it just be them?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I kind of like just them. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: We did a table for 12 for one. I think
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  Speaker 2: the last one was a table for 12 when they
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  Speaker 2: looked around. So I'm thinking if somebody wants to pony
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  Speaker 2: up and they're willing to help us do an ultrasound,
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  Speaker 2: we absolutely let them bring a significant other.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good with that. I'm good with that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good with that. But if you're interested, please email
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  Speaker 3: us your information. Mike at Mike online dot com. And
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  Speaker 3: we'll follow up because I thought that would be kind
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  Speaker 3: of neat if a few people– and let's start with
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  Speaker 3: the podcast audience because I'm going to also introduce this
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  Speaker 3: on the national audience on radio and TV with Salem
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  Speaker 3: News Channel and on your show too maybe. So you
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  Speaker 3: and I could talk about this on our shows, but
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  Speaker 3: then we're going to put it out there nationally, and
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  Speaker 3: I'll bet you those slots are going to go fast.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a good way for people who are
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  Speaker 3: podcast fans to get ahead of everybody else because once
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  Speaker 3: they're gone, they're gone five slots. It's a one-time $ 3, 000
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  Speaker 3: to save lives, save babies for years to come. If
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  Speaker 3: you're interested, please, please just email us, mike at mikeonline.com.
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  Speaker 3: Mike at MikeOnline.com. Now, Mark, speaking of life.
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  Speaker 2: In this magical event, we'll take people going, oh, where
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  Speaker 2: the DFW area. It'll be very close to DFW airport.
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  Speaker 2: Because we had a guy fly in. Remember the guy
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  Speaker 2: who flew in? It's like, where'd you come from, Rowlett?
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  Speaker 2: Where'd you come from, Garland? Where'd you come from, Tennessee?
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, Tennessee? What?
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  Speaker 3: I know. I know. Well, let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to fly in from outside of DFW.
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  Speaker 2: We'll pick you up. No, no. You know what I'll do?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'll do?
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  Speaker 2: What will you do? If you take two slots for $ 6, 000,
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  Speaker 2: I'll pay for your airfare. I'll fly in.
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  Speaker 3: I'll personally fly you in.
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  Speaker 2: How about that? Are you high? No.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: For $ 6, 000, I'll fly you in. From the continental United States? Hi,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Bill in... Singapore. It's exactly high. Jakarta, Indonesia.
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  Speaker 3: No, from the continental United States.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in the U.S., I'll fly you in. If
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  Speaker 3: you do two slots, you got to do $ 6, 000.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So I think this is going to be kind
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  Speaker 2: of fun.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Donald knows who we see now. No kidding.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to meet Abdul the Butcher from Baghdad.
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  Speaker 2: At last. At last they are mine.
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  Speaker 3: I got them.
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  Speaker 2: Pass me the cheese. Enjoy the ultrasound, infidel. Stop it.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Stop.
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  Speaker 3: Give everybody the email address. Tell them how to do this.
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  Speaker 3: first before you do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're interested, Mike at MikeOnline.com to donate, and
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  Speaker 3: we'll get you the information. Now, speaking of life, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to talk about the three lives that were snuffed
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  Speaker 3: out by this woman. So tell me about the closing
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  Speaker 3: arguments because we didn't see it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So Lindsey Clancy is on trial in Massachusetts for
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  Speaker 2: murdering her children. And she could get first-degree murder. She
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  Speaker 2: could get second-degree murder. She could get manslaughter. It's a
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  Speaker 2: wide swath being made available to this jury. It has
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  Speaker 2: sparked a debate, obviously, over postpartum issues, postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis.
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  Speaker 2: Is there something so powerful in the human psyche that
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  Speaker 2: a woman can give birth and then have the postpartum
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  Speaker 2: chemistry just misfire? so colossally that she is stripped of
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  Speaker 2: the notion of right and wrong, stripped of the very
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  Speaker 2: awareness of what she is doing so deeply and profoundly
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  Speaker 2: that she can kill and get away with it, that
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  Speaker 2: she can be found not guilty. That is the question
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  Speaker 2: on the table. The defense is saying that's exactly what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and the prosecution is calling BS. A prosecutor by the
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  Speaker 2: name of Jennifer Sprague delivered the– delivered the closing arguments,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just absolutely chilling. The prosecutors argued that
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  Speaker 2: Clancy's actions were deliberate. The defense says not guilty by
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  Speaker 2: reason of insanity. The claim is postpartum psychosis. Mike, if
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  Speaker 2: I can, are you familiar with Allie Beth Stuckey? Of
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  Speaker 2: course I am.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually interviewed Allie Beth Stuckey. She lives here in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't she? She's in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. She's a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful conservative writer, thinker, poster, etc., etc., This will take 30,
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  Speaker 2: 40 seconds because she weighed in. She has had a
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  Speaker 2: change of heart about this case, and it speaks to
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  Speaker 2: some of exactly what is at play here. And so
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  Speaker 2: let me offer this to you and to everybody and
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  Speaker 2: then see what your thoughts are. Allie Beth writes, I
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  Speaker 2: was wrong about Lindsay Clancy, and here's why I changed
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  Speaker 2: my mind. She was, and I guess by changed her mind,
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  Speaker 2: she thought she was willing to kind of play ball
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  Speaker 2: with this postpartum psychosis defense. Apparently not anymore. She was
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  Speaker 2: never diagnosed with postpartum depression or psychosis. She was not
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  Speaker 2: on 13 medications at once. She was not hearing voices.
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  Speaker 2: She was not abandoned by her family. She was diagnosed
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  Speaker 2: with a mood disorder and went to a variety of
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  Speaker 2: doctors who all prescribed different medications, which she took unreliably
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  Speaker 2: and not simultaneously. She only heard a voice one time.
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  Speaker 2: That was right before she killed the kids, extremely atypical
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  Speaker 2: for psychosis. She carefully planned her children's murders down to
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  Speaker 2: the minute. She researched the distance of a restaurant she'd
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  Speaker 2: asked Patrick to go to, added on a last-minute errand
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  Speaker 2: before he left, calmly answered his phone call in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of her crime, brought her children down to the basement,
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  Speaker 2: one by one, overpowering their resistance and killing them slowly.
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  Speaker 2: It does seem like she had support from the family.
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  Speaker 2: She may have still been overwhelmed, but it's not true
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  Speaker 2: that all of her cries for help went unanswered. I
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  Speaker 2: originally placed too much blame on the many, many SSRIs,
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  Speaker 2: the types of drugs she was prescribed. For years on
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  Speaker 2: my show, I've talked to health professionals who've been warning
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  Speaker 2: about the violence-inducing effects of these drugs, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay's case may be an example of that reality. Is
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  Speaker 2: it still possible those drugs had a negative effect? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: But the case that these drove her into a psychotic
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  Speaker 2: episode is weak. The evidence continues to reveal, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: that Lindsay Clancy methodically murdered her children and was fully
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  Speaker 2: aware of what she was doing. I share her revised view.
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  Speaker 2: This woman needs to fry. Well, and Ali Beth is
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  Speaker 2: that rare example of a woman who does not. want
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  Speaker 2: to let this one, the, the, this Lindsay Clancy off
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  Speaker 2: the hook, because this has been this, my, my reaction
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  Speaker 2: has been that, or my, my impression is that this
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  Speaker 2: is a women are in her corner and men are
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  Speaker 2: not issue.
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  Speaker 3: Woman after woman, female after female, call her. How dare you, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: say that she should fry? How dare you, Mark Davis?
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  Speaker 3: She should be on the hook for this. You guys
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  Speaker 3: don't understand postpartum issues. You don't appreciate everybody's overmedicated. And
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  Speaker 3: it becomes a whole different narrative. But Allie Bastucky is right.
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  Speaker 3: She did have family support. Her husband, he took paternity
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  Speaker 3: leave for crying out loud. To be with her, to
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  Speaker 3: help her with those kids after she gave birth. And
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  Speaker 3: she brutally murdered them one by one. Look, here's what's
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  Speaker 3: weird about it, Mark. We didn't hear all this support
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  Speaker 3: for a mother who kills their kids when it was
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  Speaker 3: Susan Smith who drove the kids off the lake in
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  Speaker 3: South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Off the boat ramp or Andrea Yates in your state
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  Speaker 3: of Texas in Houston.
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  Speaker 4: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Did you hear a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of Darlie Routier who stabbed her two kids in Rowlett
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  Speaker 2: just outside of Dallas?
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  Speaker 3: You didn't get this victimhood cry. So why is it
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  Speaker 3: happening now? Why does Lindsay Clancy have so much support?
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  Speaker 3: Because every day, Mark, as you know, outside the courthouse
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  Speaker 3: are all these women with their stupid pink outfits. We
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  Speaker 3: love Lindsay. Free Lindsay. She's the victim here. Blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: They blame the husband. He did something wrong in their mind.
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  Speaker 3: So how– why the change? What's different?
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  Speaker 2: This is a subset of human nature that– and this
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  Speaker 2: might be a clumsy comparison. But when there's an issue
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  Speaker 2: you really want to pound or some advocacy you really
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  Speaker 2: want to accentuate, you find a way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Because of racism and 400 years of slavery, guilty OJ
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  Speaker 2: had to go free because he's a black man. Carmelo Anthony,
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  Speaker 2: black kid, he can't be guilty because, you know, social justice.
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  Speaker 2: In this particular case, I think a lot of these ladies–
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  Speaker 2: standing outside as part of her fan base, feel that
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  Speaker 2: postpartum issues don't– that they get short shrift, that there
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  Speaker 2: are too many skeptics. Let me– and I think you'll
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  Speaker 2: join me on this– say, is it possible that somebody
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  Speaker 2: may be so– so eaten up with postpartum psychotic issues
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  Speaker 2: that they could do something like this and be criminally
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  Speaker 2: not responsible? Sure, I can see that. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: think this is an example of it. So let's stipulate
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  Speaker 2: that with our own goodwill. But I think there's a perception,
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  Speaker 2: accurately or not, that the whole postpartum thing just kind
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  Speaker 2: of gets the back of the hand. It gets mansplained. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: little lady. And Matt Walsh didn't help the other day
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  Speaker 2: when he said, I think fairly eloquently, supportably so that
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  Speaker 2: if you show me a hundred women with postpartum issues,
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  Speaker 2: 50 of them just need to get a grip and
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  Speaker 2: realize having a baby is hard and get on with
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  Speaker 2: your life. And the rest of them may have something
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  Speaker 2: clinical going on to ruin. Oh, everybody's being that the
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  Speaker 2: disorder is not being shown sufficient respect and deference. And
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  Speaker 2: so for that reason, we got to make Lindsay Clancy,
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  Speaker 2: the poster woman for the, for, for this cause.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me give you my theory. That's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good theory, but I also think there's more to it.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that we've watched over the last several years
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  Speaker 3: the sanctity of life be completely marginalized. Life has become—
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  Speaker 3: Sort of disposable. And I believe it started with the
• 16:55
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  Speaker 3: a spirited conversation this morning about Shut Up and Sing.
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  Speaker 2: Just awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Oh, it's the best. It's absolutely the best,
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  Speaker 3: and I replayed it on my show. The truth is,
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you why I'm right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And you're wrong. Okay. Here we go.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: How about that? How about that? You and I were
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: talking about the joy of everyone loving Dolly Parton. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: everybody loved Dolly. She loved everybody. Everybody loved her. And
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: why they love her, I shared this very satirical, very
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: funny satirical piece. about how historians are just baffled about
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: why everybody loved her. She is the first major American
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: celebrity ever to die without the public knowing exactly what
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: she thought about transgender athletes and Gaza and abortion and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Trump and immigration or anything else that people are screaming
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: at each other about on Twitter. And it got to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the whole Laura Ingraham titled book, Shut Up and Sing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Laura wrote a book saying entertainers should just entertain us.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But you pushed back with that and you said, look,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I want them all to say what they feel. Hey,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: if anything, buyer beware. Know what they're thinking, right?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And if they want to blow up half their audience,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: then blow up half their audience, correct? Free country.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Here's why you're wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I'll put it in– this is in Dolly's own words.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you Dolly Parton's own explanation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this isn't fair. About why she shut up. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to argue with a recently deceased Dolly. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to look good now.
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  Speaker 3: I dare you. I dare you. Double dog dare you
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: to argue with Dolly.
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  Speaker 2: I give. I give.
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  Speaker 3: Here she was in 2018. ABC's Nightline did a feature
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: on her and a guy named– a reporter named David
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Wright sat down with her and he was trying to–
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: goad her into ripping Trump because the Access Hollywood tape
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: had just come out. It didn't go well for ABC's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: David Wright.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: I just don't get into that. And so if you
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: are deciding you may want to ask me something more serious,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: don't because I'm not going.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: To answer it. We have a president of the United
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: States who said those things on that bus.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not addressing that. I do not get into that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Of course I have my opinion about everybody and everything.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: But I learned a long time ago, keep your damn
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: mouth shut if you want to stay in show business.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not in politics. I'm an entertainer.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And yet you're also a role model.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, I am.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: That's why I don't talk about people.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: What a great retort. I mean, in other words, he's saying, well,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, you're deflecting. You're a role model because
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I am. That's why I don't talk smack about people.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: One of the good examples that I provide to people
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: is I don't go around gossiping or shooting off my
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: mouth about every single person to my great relief. I
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: am able to lift up Dolly and agree with her
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and love her. And still stick with my actual point,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: which is that she and you know, I know that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: she needs to do her. And if somebody else, whether
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it's Rosie O'Donnell on the left or Ted Nugent on
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the right, just go ahead and let fly whatever you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: want to say, go say. And I'm going to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a grown up and sort through what I like and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: what I don't accept, what I want, ignore what I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: want and let everybody be just fine.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know that certainly technically and theoretically you're correct,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and you used your buddy Ted Nugent as the example.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: But look, I wish all of them would stay in
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: their lane. I wish they would all just entertain us
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and do what you're paid to do. I don't like the–
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and you know why? I'll tell you why. This is
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: a personal resentment, and let me tell you what that is.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be uncomfortable being entertained by somebody
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: who I know has loathsome views.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That I have.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to love these. I love
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: your music. I want to love you. I love your acting.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: De Niro kills me. There's no better actor in my life.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You know, Springsteen's really, really good. And I just I'm
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: repelled by the Dixie Chicks. Are you kidding?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: That was some of the best music of the last
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: 50 years. And when they do that, Mark, it like it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It distracts me. It it's a burden to support them.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And incidentally.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: In many cases, you can't support them. Don't support them.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Don't spend your hard-earned money to line their pockets when
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: they hate you. Because remember, when you go after Trump,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you're going after Trump supporters. Period. End of sentence. I'm
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: telling you what. And so that's it. And we don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: need to milk this thing any longer than we have.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what about Trump. This South Carolina
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: story is fascinating because– and Yasmin, do you have the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: clip that Tracy gave you right before the podcast about
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Harry Enten? This is the second Harry Enten clip.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Mark, you're going to want to– I want you to– Yes, yes, yes, please.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The one where you need a poll. Hey, Republicans,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: who's your favorite Republican ever? That one.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Well, no. I played that earlier, too. By a far
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: huge margin. It was nuts. 53% said that Trump is
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  Speaker 3: the best Republican president ever. 18% said Reagan was the
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: best Republican president ever. And the guy who many regard
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: as the greatest president of all time, Republican Abe Lincoln, 8%.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: But you know why that is.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You know why. It's because Trump is alive now. He's
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  Speaker 2: in our face. I apologize in advance for this, Mike.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Let's do the math. How old do you have to be?
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: In order to have any actual living memory of the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Reagan presidency. I get it. I get it. You're right.
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  Speaker 2: He left the presidency in January 1989. I got it.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe if you're 10 years old, if you're 40,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you don't remember Reagan? I get it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: But here is not a disputable fact, and this is
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: what Harry Enten said about Trump's golden touch.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that this is probably the endorsement
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of Darlene Graham and getting her across the finish line
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: of the Republican Party is probably the strongest sign of
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump's name being gold in Republican primaries to date.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: It's by far his most impressive performance because just take
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: a look here.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: It's according to the Cal State Prediction Market.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Chance to win the South Carolina Special Geo Pre-Senate Primary.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Before the Trump endorsement, it was just 14%. Just 14%.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: The reason why Darlene Graham won that primary, won that nomination,
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  Speaker 4: is because of one name and one name only.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Donald John Trump.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: This was his most impressive endorsement to date in terms
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: of getting someone nominated. actually nominated because she basically stood
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: no chance once that endorsement came in her chances rocketed
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: well north to 50 and last night she won that nominee.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: 14 mark and then all of a sudden it went
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: obviously went to 100 so this will shock you i
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: was on cuomo last night and alongside and i i
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: like this guy the chuck rocha the guy i think
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: he does some cnn too another texas guy And his
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: point about the endorsement was that the Trump endorsements, they
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: aren't that big a deal because he came in with
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this endorsement and she only won by five. I said
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: she I thought she was going to get steamrolled. She
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was dead in the water. She was she was dead
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: woman walking after that debate thing. But the endorsement came
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  Speaker 2: in and brought her home. across the finish line it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: is it's that's it and you know after watching harry
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: do that thing please please all the smart kids please
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: tell me more about how trump's name is mud please
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  Speaker 2: tell me more about he no longer has a hold
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: please tell me more of your wisdom about how he's
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  Speaker 2: just not a big factor anymore please regale me.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely it's asinine to even say that did you
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: see trump's reason for endorsing darlene over ralph norman because
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: he explained it yesterday And now there's no mystery if
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: you haven't caught it. he absolutely came right out and
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: said it. It was it was Ralph's endorsement of Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: And that's the reason Trump posted yesterday that. But this
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: is fascinating to me, though. So stop and think about
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: this for just a moment. So Trump posted on Truth
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Social that Ralph was a good congressman, but he ruined
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: his career with his endorsement of Nikki Haley. So Trump
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: obviously never forgot or forgave, right?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Some grudges are suspendable and some are not.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: His vice president called him once an American Hitler.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Well, he said he might be Hitler.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: American Hitler. No, he didn't say he might be. American Hitler.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I think the question was, is it possible? They asked J.D. something.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: He said, well, he might be this or he might
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  Speaker 2: be the next Hitler. Anyway, go ahead. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, that's not true. He was very definitive. Tracy's
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: got the statement. We looked it up. You should see
• 30:35
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• 30:37
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• 30:40
  Speaker 3: You think Lindsey Graham was a was it was a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: pushover regarding Trump at one point?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: He told him to go to hell.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: He told Trump, you go to hell. But but but
• 30:49
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  Speaker 2: Complete the trifecta, complete the trifecta. Governor Rick Perry of
• 30:53
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• 30:57
  Speaker 2: in the cabinet as secretary of energy in the cabinet.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So so but obviously endorsing Nikki Haley. Now, that's a
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  Speaker 2: coming and go, you know what? Friday needs to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a theme Friday. Some overarching thing that's not necessarily that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: day or that week's breaking news. And we did Education Friday.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody loved it. Tomorrow we're going to– I want to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: expand this a little bit because you and I have
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: talked about all of these. The notion of electric vehicles,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: just EVs versus the internal combustion engine. Yes. Full service driving,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: which you have done and I have not. And I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: fascinated and terrified. And I have one more thing to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: add to the robo taxi debate and discussion because it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: all part and parcel of the same thing. So can
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: we tie around all those and do those tomorrow?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I'd love that. Let's talk a little bit because I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: telling you, it's a technology that excites me because I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: have spent literally hours and hours and hours doing the
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: full service drive with one of my kids, Tesla's. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I've got an experiment that I've been doing just for you, Mark.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you all about that tomorrow.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love the tease. I love the tease.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: There's one last thing we've got to do because I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: promised it. I said we would do it. It might
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: take two or three minutes if you've got it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: On my show today, it was a big, big, big
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: flock of camera roundtable. You and I have talked about this.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: The two sides are huge privacy violation, hell no, or no.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Helps the cops, so that makes it worthwhile. That's been you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You're obviously 100% correct. We're back to blue. Law enforcement,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: we drip with it on this show. And that has
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: made me smile on and approve of and be open
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to everything that law enforcement has said about how it
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: helps us catch child abductors, stolen cars, missing persons. It's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: undeniably a valuable law enforcement tool. Mike, these things that
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that argument is losing by the day as town for
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: good or not. Town after town after town, pulling the plug,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: canceling the contracts, not saying that this is forever, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that just for right now, we're concerned about the surveillance state.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And we're going to we're going to draw the line
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: on this before it becomes a tyrannical nightmare again. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I want to hand the talking stick back to you
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: with your own words because you have said, and this
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: makes sense in a perfect world, if you're not doing
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: anything wrong, what do you got to worry about? And
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that is true when government is behaving at its best.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But how many times have we seen government stoop to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: its worst instincts and people are not having it?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: My strong belief is that this is the latest chapter
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: in Americans want something to be pissed off about. It's
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: all this is. It's the same with the data centers.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Americans are rejecting flock cameras, even though they are a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: very valuable tool. You don't have an expectation of privacy
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: in public. Because there's potential of misuse and abuse, then
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: crack down on the abuse. But you could have potential
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: for misuse right now with surveillance cameras. All it is,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: it's a sophisticated way to catch murderers, rapists, child molesters,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: missing persons, seniors who have Alzheimer's, who've driven off in
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the car, who might wind up dead in the ditch
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: if it weren't for these flock cameras. They are a
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: valuable tool. It's a perfect example of how we're rejecting technology.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And hold my beer before we say goodbye. I'll do
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: you one better. I want you to hear about Quincy, Washington.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: They once had a poverty rate of... of 29.4%. It
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: has plummeted to 6.2%. They've got a sparkling, brand-new, multi-gazillion-dollar
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: aquatic center. They've got public parks. The whole community has
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: been infused with this beautiful economic watershed moment. You know why?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Data centers.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Data centers.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Data centers.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: They've completely transformed... this small town's economy, and they're doing
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: it all over the country. It's just not very well covered, Mark.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: That's not very well publicized.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I've thought that this is an idea that's been bandied about,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that people are concerned about. Let's stop putting the data
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: centers right by where 50,000 people live. Let's find better
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: places to put them. But if a data center is
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: coming to your town, an enormously wealthy company is bringing it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: So let's squeeze a little bit out of them. Fair enough.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Because if you give a community all the things you've
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: described previously, Suddenly, some of their data center objections will
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: magically subside.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: But you're you're. I know, but you just kind of
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: gave the back of your hand to everybody watching right
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: now who has a serious privacy concern because you're you're right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: You are right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: The serious privacy. Yes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: But the serious privacy concerns don't change. I get that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Do you have a serious privacy? We heard the same
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: thing when when normal closed circuit surveillance.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Cameras started being on every corner. That mostly wasn't government.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Most of those were private security. It's like having a detective.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Flock is private. Flock is a private company contracting with
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: police and with government availability of this enormous searchable database.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Every police station has access to closed circuit cameras that
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: aren't flock cameras. That's that's always been a thing.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: But we don't necessarily read. They don't have automatic license
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: plate readers. The ability.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, you don't want the license plate to be read.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just sort of giving. And it's not devil's
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: advocate because you're because everything you say is right. But
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and you're also totally correct that we have no we
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: don't have the same expectation of privacy on the public
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: streets that we have in our own homes. But it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: like having an army of detectives to follow all of
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: us around for no reason. That's life. Not to me,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: That's life. Well, you better get used to it because
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: that's what it is now in 2026. You walk into
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: a bank. That's what the fly guy said.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: The fly guy said we need to reach a compromise
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: on privacy. And people nearly their heads exploded when.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: You go into the bank. They're doing facial recognition technology.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: There is you do not have any expert. You want
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to get one of those crazy those folks that do
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: these influencers that go up to people and they shove
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: cameras in their faces outside the post office.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what?
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: They take video of the license plate. You know why?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Because they're allowed to. It's the law. You can't. You've
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: got no privacy in public, Mark. You just don't.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, comrade.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: You're going to comply. George Orwell Gallagher.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You will comply and you will enjoy M & M Extra.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I will. Tomorrow, we're going to focus on self-service, our
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: full-service drive and robo-taxis and more. I love you. Have
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: a great Thursday, everybody, and we'll see you tomorrow.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Too much fun.