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Isabelle Clarke’s Stolen Sunflower Saga, Indy Clinton Loses 38k Followers & Morgan Riddle’s Win For The Girls · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, Indy Clinton loses 38,000 followers with a
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  Speaker 2: single click. Martha Kalafatidis opens up about her explant surgery,
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  Speaker 2: self-proclaimed tennis wag Morgan Riddle's win for the girls, and
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  Speaker 2: Channel 7's controversial decision to add horoscopes to the bulletin.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Sydney influencer Isabel Clark was getting set to
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  Speaker 2: launch her new brand, Sunflower Avenue, when a small business
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  Speaker 2: owner from Melbourne accused her of stealing her design. Now, Sophie,
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  Speaker 2: this story has a few twists and turns. Let's start
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  Speaker 2: with the accusations that have been held at Isabel Clark. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so these accusations have come from a small business owner
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  Speaker 2: called Sarah, who has been running an apparel brand called
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  Speaker 2: Mindsetters for the past two years. And she was inspired
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  Speaker 2: to start the brand after she sadly lost her sister
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  Speaker 2: to suicide. Now on TikTok, the brand describes the apparel
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  Speaker 2: as comfy clothes for mental health. Now she sells a
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  Speaker 2: range of jumpers and t-shirts with positive slogans across the
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  Speaker 2: front and back.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, Sarah decided to.
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  Speaker 2: Jump on TikTok to accuse a large Australian influencer of
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  Speaker 2: stealing her designs. She said she didn't intend on naming
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  Speaker 2: and shaming the influencer, but pointed out they have a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big following and are releasing an apparel line.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 3: They posted a sneak peek of the apparel that they're
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  Speaker 3: going to release. And it uses the same slogan that
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  Speaker 3: we released in our first collection. And I feel like
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  Speaker 3: the design is very similar. And it's really upsetting. I've
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  Speaker 3: been sitting on it for a while trying not to
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  Speaker 3: let it phase me. But it's really upsetting me now
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  Speaker 3: because when you are a little fish in a big sea,
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  Speaker 3: you do something amazing for your brand and release this
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  Speaker 3: tea that you're really proud of. And then there's an
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  Speaker 3: influencer out there with a big following that just basically
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  Speaker 3: snatches your design from you and wants to make a profit.
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  Speaker 4: Out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah then shared a screenshot of the two designs side
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  Speaker 2: by side and commented how similar they looked. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: first screenshot was of Isabel's design, which was a gray
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  Speaker 2: jumper with a large blue sunflower on the back with
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  Speaker 2: the word Sunflower Avenue across it. There was also a
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  Speaker 2: black jumper with the slogan, No Rain, No Flowers, which
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  Speaker 2: was written up the sleeve. In the next slide, she
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  Speaker 2: showed her design, which was a white t-shirt with the
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  Speaker 2: same slogan and no rain, no flowers written across it,
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  Speaker 2: but it was in this 70s style writing and also
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  Speaker 2: had blue and green flowers surrounding it. So to me,
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  Speaker 2: the designs look very different. It was just the slogan
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  Speaker 2: that was the same. So much for Sarah not naming
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  Speaker 2: and shaming because a quick Google search will show you
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  Speaker 2: that Sunflower Avenue is Isabel Clark's brand. Yeah, it's pretty
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  Speaker 2: obvious because Isabel has been talking a lot on her
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  Speaker 2: TikTok about how she's launching a new brand. She's also
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  Speaker 2: put up YouTube videos recently, and she does have over
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  Speaker 2: 300,000 followers on TikTok. So these TikToks are popping up
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  Speaker 2: in people's For You pages. It's easy to decipher who
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  Speaker 2: she's speaking about. Yeah. And it didn't take long for
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  Speaker 2: people to connect the dots and realize who Sarah was
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  Speaker 2: calling out. And this prompted Isabel Clark to address the
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  Speaker 2: accusations on her Instagram story. So she wanted to set
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  Speaker 2: the record straight. She wrote, hope you know, I'll never,
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  Speaker 2: ever copy anyone's designs. My mistake for letting this girl
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  Speaker 2: into the group. I tried to give her a safe
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  Speaker 2: space through this group and she's trying to capitalize off
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  Speaker 2: fabricated drama. Now, this group that Isabel is referring to
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  Speaker 2: is a private Instagram account that she created a few
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  Speaker 2: years ago called Sunflower Babies. And it is described as
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  Speaker 2: a private page where followers can talk about mental health, anxiety,
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  Speaker 2: and also health issues. Now, this private group has grown
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  Speaker 2: to 17,000 followers. And Isabel has been doing these cute
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  Speaker 2: picnic meetups with girls in the group. She says that
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  Speaker 2: these girls are now her friend and she refers to
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  Speaker 2: them as her sunflower babies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And subsequently, she has been sharing a lot in this
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  Speaker 2: private group about her plans of starting her own apparel line.
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  Speaker 2: And for a number of years, Isabel has been openly
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  Speaker 2: sharing the slogan, no rain, no flowers, as well as
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  Speaker 2: all of the sunflower motives.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a sunflower baby, which is my little private
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  Speaker 5: account that I have on Instagram, you will know how
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  Speaker 5: often I say it to myself. Without bad times or
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  Speaker 5: hard times, there are no good times or you don't
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  Speaker 5: appreciate the good times as much. So that's why no rain,
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  Speaker 5: no flowers is so prevalent to me. And that's why
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  Speaker 5: it is also our slogan for Sunflower Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as you touched on, Amy, Isabel is claiming that
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  Speaker 2: Sarah was a member of that account and has copied the.
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  Speaker 1: Slogan from her.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel for Isabel because she's publicly spoken about
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  Speaker 2: what a rough few years she's had. She's spent a
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  Speaker 2: lot of time in hospital and also time recovering at
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  Speaker 2: home from ovarian cysts. And also last year, she had
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  Speaker 2: a number of cells removed from her breast. And this
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  Speaker 2: is why she's created this community because She wants to
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  Speaker 2: talk about mental health. She also wants to talk about
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  Speaker 2: young people who are facing health problems like she was.
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  Speaker 2: And she created Sunflower Avenue because when she was sick,
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to have leisure wear that made her still
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  Speaker 2: feel good about herself while she was recovering.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 6: Brand is reflective of my state over the last... two
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  Speaker 6: years when I wanted to feel really cute and I
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  Speaker 6: didn't like the way that I looked or I was
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  Speaker 6: in pain and I was recovering and I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: create clothing that makes you feel good when you wear it.
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  Speaker 5: You feel put together, e.g. matching sets, but you don't
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  Speaker 5: have to dress up. You can wear them in bed.
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  Speaker 5: You can wear them to go for your little snack
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  Speaker 5: runs or you can wear them recovering from surgery like
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  Speaker 5: I did for two years.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this slogan at the center of the drama is
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  Speaker 2: very close to Isabel Clark's heart. She has had it
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  Speaker 2: tattooed on her wrist for a number of years, and
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why it was so important
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  Speaker 2: for her to have it embroidered onto her apparel. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: she said that this tattoo was really her saving grace
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  Speaker 2: because when she was in hospital going through these difficult times,
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  Speaker 2: she would look at it and it would remind her
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  Speaker 2: that something positive was coming. Now, Isabel also went on
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  Speaker 2: to explain why it's taken her such a long time
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  Speaker 2: to bring out her brand. And that is because sadly,
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  Speaker 2: she has lost so many friends during that process. And
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  Speaker 2: also her brand is a one woman show. So she's
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  Speaker 2: been having to do all of the logistics herself.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have this.
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  Speaker 2: General misconception when we think about influencer brands. We think
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  Speaker 2: of influencers who are in the top echelon, who have
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  Speaker 2: these multi-million dollar businesses and they have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people working for them. But the truth is that the
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  Speaker 2: influencer industry is so oversaturated that quite often it's these
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  Speaker 2: smaller influencers, mostly young women who are running these brands
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  Speaker 2: on their own, And they really are small businesses in themselves.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: But they also have a lot of advantages to other
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  Speaker 2: small business owners who don't have a platform like the
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  Speaker 2: one they have. They don't have these inbuilt audiences they
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  Speaker 2: can just automatically sell to.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And having that inbuilt audience who you can already market
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  Speaker 2: and spruik your product to is such an advantage. Now,
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, Sarah jumped on her TikTok to provide an
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  Speaker 2: update on the saga of And I think she was
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  Speaker 2: expecting a different reaction. So a lot of the comments
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  Speaker 2: she received were from followers or from the general public
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  Speaker 2: who basically said, we don't understand what you're on about.
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  Speaker 2: The designs look completely different. So she said she ended
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  Speaker 2: up having to turn comments off on her first video
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  Speaker 2: because some of the commentary became quite hateful. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think she anticipated so many people decide with Isabel. I
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  Speaker 2: think she thought it was going to run with this
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  Speaker 2: script that we quite often see that this influencer, this large,
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  Speaker 2: powerful influencer has copied a small business owner and everyone
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  Speaker 2: is outraged.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when I first saw this story, I just
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  Speaker 2: instantly thought, well, has this slogan been trademarked? Because it's
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  Speaker 2: a well-known saying, it's not as if Isabel or Sarah
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  Speaker 2: have created it. And that's the thing they're saying is
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  Speaker 2: all over Pinterest. It was quite interesting reading the TikTok
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  Speaker 2: comments because a few people said, I've had this saying
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  Speaker 2: tattooed on me for eight years like this is not
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  Speaker 2: a new saying this is not something this is a
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  Speaker 2: catchphrase that is out in the public yeah well sarah
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  Speaker 2: confirmed that she hadn't had this particular catchphrase trademark but
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  Speaker 2: she did say that she had elements of some of
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  Speaker 2: her designs yeah it was confusing because she didn't specify
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  Speaker 2: what elements had been trademarked it was quite confusing It
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  Speaker 2: did seem like it was too expensive for her to
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  Speaker 2: trademark the slogan and other elements. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: expensive to do that. And I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of confusion around trademarks at the moment because we see
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  Speaker 2: so many copycat or dupe brands and sometimes you look
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  Speaker 2: at them and you go, how is that even legal? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: the thing with slogans is they can be trademarked, except
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  Speaker 2: they can be rejected if your slogan is too generic.
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  Speaker 2: So in this case, as we said, this is a catchphrase.
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  Speaker 2: that is well known. So perhaps it got rejected or
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  Speaker 2: either that she hasn't actually gone and trademarked it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: confused what all the fuss is about because this person
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  Speaker 2: hasn't trademarked this slogan. It's clearly a slogan that Isabel
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  Speaker 2: Clark and a lot of other people have used online.
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  Speaker 2: If I was Isabel, I would be pulling out all
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  Speaker 2: of the stops to ensure that this was being trademarked
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  Speaker 2: this week. Look, I don't understand why this has been
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  Speaker 2: made into such a big deal. It's not as if
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  Speaker 2: this Melbourne small business owner had trademarked this slogan. Isabel
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  Speaker 2: Clark hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: she really has a leg to stand on, particularly because
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  Speaker 2: the designs don't even look similar at all. If anything,
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  Speaker 2: people have come out and said, Sarah, your designs are
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  Speaker 2: a lot nicer.
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  Speaker 1: So I would opt to choose yours.
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  Speaker 2: But that also opens up a different point of conversation
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  Speaker 2: because some people are saying that this has been a
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  Speaker 2: strategy of Sarah's all along just to get traction towards
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  Speaker 2: her brand, because we are seeing so many TikTokers or
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  Speaker 2: small business owners doing this outrage postings.
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  Speaker 1: So they will.
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  Speaker 2: Slam someone or slam something. And then suddenly everyone's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, what are they going on about? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's support them. Like everyone loves a bit of outrage culture.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a bit like those TikToks that are like,
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  Speaker 2: my mother has spent the last four hours creating these
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  Speaker 2: like terrible cups to sell on Etsy and no one's
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  Speaker 2: bought anything. And then suddenly people flood the store to
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  Speaker 2: buy the design. It's like this sympathy act. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I definitely think it is a strategy that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of small business owners are doing. And probably as soon
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  Speaker 2: as she saw that, Isabel Clark had this slogan. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: fuck it. This is going to be great for my brand.
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  Speaker 2: What doesn't sit well with me is if Sarah is
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  Speaker 2: a member of Isabel Clark's private.
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  Speaker 1: Group, it's pretty clear.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe she's accidentally picked up the idea from Isabel or maybe,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, like, you know, sometimes when you think
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  Speaker 2: you've had a brilliant idea and then you realize, oh wait,
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  Speaker 2: I actually saw that online.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing in 2024, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Very difficult to have a unique business concept or a design.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that it is normal for ideas or
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  Speaker 2: designs to overlap. And that is why you have to
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  Speaker 2: be so careful and actually trademark your design. Well, we've
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  Speaker 2: learned that the hard way, haven't we? Because we initially
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  Speaker 2: didn't trademark the word outspoken.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's so expensive to do.
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  Speaker 2: But if you are listening, let me tell you, it's
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: more expensive to fight one of those trademarks and to
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  Speaker 2: get a lawyer involved because we ended up spending way
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  Speaker 2: more money in securing our name than we would have
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  Speaker 2: if we just trademarked it when we started. The thing
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  Speaker 2: that makes me sad is that there's two brands which
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  Speaker 2: champion mental health, which are coming up against each other.
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  Speaker 2: If anything, they should be supporting one another. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they still have been respectful in their approach. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like they've been abusing one another and name calling. But
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  Speaker 2: I think by Sarah putting this on TikTok and putting
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  Speaker 2: a large influencer on blast, even if she hasn't named her,
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  Speaker 2: it's always going to end badly in the comment section.
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  Speaker 2: I think this whole issue could have been solved by
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  Speaker 2: a private DM or an email. I actually respect Isabel
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  Speaker 2: Clark's decision though, to come out and actually set the
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  Speaker 2: record straight because from a PR perspective, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: good look for her to have these kinds of TikTok circulating,
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  Speaker 2: especially change the narrative completely because we generally see the
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  Speaker 2: narrative that this poor small business owner has had their
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  Speaker 2: designs stolen from them by this powerful influencer. And to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, when I saw this story first pop up
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  Speaker 2: and I saw Sarah's TikTok, I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck, what's this? This looks juicy.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I looked into it, I thought this
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  Speaker 2: isn't as clear cut as it sounds. There is more
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  Speaker 2: to this story.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying good morning. I'm so annoyed.
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  Speaker 2: With a single click, Indie Clinton accidentally removed 38,000.
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  Speaker 1: Followers from her Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: This is the stuff of influencer nightmares. Now, she explained
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  Speaker 2: that Instagram alerted her that a number of her followers'
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  Speaker 2: accounts had been flagged. So it gave her the option
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  Speaker 2: to remove all flagged accounts. And she didn't realize how
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  Speaker 2: many accounts had been flagged. So she just went ahead
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  Speaker 2: and pressed remove all, which instantly wiped 38,000 followers.
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  Speaker 1: From her account.
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  Speaker 2: Know about this feature until now. Yeah, I went and
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  Speaker 2: checked my account to see if I had any flagged accounts.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to have over a thousand followers for
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  Speaker 2: this option to be available. And it basically lets you
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: know if you have potential spam accounts or bots that
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  Speaker 2: follow you. So if you click on your follower list,
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  Speaker 2: there will be a little exclamation mark and it will
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  Speaker 2: say flag for review. So it will then list accounts
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  Speaker 2: that they suspect to be bots. But if you're like
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  Speaker 2: indie and have hundreds of thousands of followers. Obviously, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to see how long.
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  Speaker 1: This list is.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason Indie would have been looking into this
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  Speaker 2: is because these kind of bot accounts can affect your
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  Speaker 2: overall engagement. I mean, and that's particularly important for influencers
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  Speaker 2: because if you've got a brand deal and you've got
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  Speaker 2: all of these bots, it can potentially impact how many
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  Speaker 2: people it reaches. the engagement on that post, and it
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  Speaker 2: can also stop new followers from discovering you. So Instagram's
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  Speaker 2: general advice is you should remove all of these accounts.
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  Speaker 2: So they give you the option of either individually going
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  Speaker 2: through them all or doing a click remove all which
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  Speaker 2: Indie opted for. Indie doesn't seem to be the only
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  Speaker 2: influencer who's been stung by this though, because on threads,
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  Speaker 2: there are dozens of creators who have spoken about losing
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  Speaker 2: thousands of followers after they also remove flagged accounts. So
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  Speaker 2: one creator wrote, I auto removed 200 spam accounts and
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  Speaker 2: the next day I had 45,000 less followers, not doing
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  Speaker 2: it again. Whilst another said, I went through and selected
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  Speaker 2: three to be removed. I lost 500 followers. This feature
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  Speaker 2: is a really big problem. I think Indie has come
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  Speaker 2: out quickly and addressed this because she would not want
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  Speaker 2: people thinking that she's lost 38,000 followers over the whole
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: dog rehoming saga that we spoke about last week. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I went and looked at her social blade because I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to see if the 38,000 was reflected. on there
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: because Social Blade is a great tool where you can
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  Speaker 2: see how many followers influencers are gaining a day or
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  Speaker 2: what their engagement rate is like. And Indie has still
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  Speaker 2: been gaining followers every day, apart from the day where
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  Speaker 2: her follower count went down by 38,000. It does appear
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: that this new feature just has a major glitch because
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  Speaker 2: a lot of creators are complaining that the flag list
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  Speaker 2: mostly contains real people, whereas genuine bot accounts are being ignored.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Sometimes my outfits are inspired by asking myself the question,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: what will piss male fans off the most today? Last night,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Wimbledon crowned a new male champion, but all anyone can
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: talk about is US influencer Morgan Riddle and her alleged
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: feud with world number four, Alexander Zverev. Now this is
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: a juicy one. Amy, can you give us a breakdown
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  Speaker 2: first on who Morgan is?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Morgan is huge on TikTok. She's got over 500,000 followers.
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  Speaker 2: And her boyfriend is world number 12, Taylor Fritz. And
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Morgan shares a lot of her life on the tennis
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  Speaker 2: tour online. She also shares a lot about her fashion
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram. So she is known for wearing a lot
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: of tennis core. She's recently been in British Vogue because
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: her outfits are that iconic. Yeah, well, it surprised me
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  Speaker 2: to read that apparently she and Taylor met on Raya.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was wondering how they met.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have been dubbed the new posh and
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: becks of the sporting world. They also made headlines for
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: appearing on the new Netflix series Breakpoint, so they were
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: a big feature on that. Now, last week, Morgan's boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Fritz, made it to the quarterfinals of Wimbledon, and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: he was up against, well, number four, Alexander Zverev. Now,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: during the center court match, Morgan shared an Instagram story
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: of Taylor alongside the caption, cheer loud, ladies.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: This seems quite innocuous.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: But it's not so innocuous when you know Zverev's backstory.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: So just last month, the world number four settled a
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: domestic abuse case out of court with his former partner
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and prosecutors alleged he pushed his former partner against a
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: wall and choked her during an argument. Now Zverev denied
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the allegations. However, he agreed to pay fines of around
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: $ 162, 000 to the state and around $ 54, 000 to charity. Now,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Morgan's boyfriend ended up coming from two sets to love
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: down to win the quarterfinal match. And when it came
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: time to shake hands, Zverev gave Fritz a lengthy ear bashing,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: which led to many post-match questions. Now, Zverev told the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: assembled media that his issue wasn't with Fritz or his
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: two coaches. It was with Fritz's support group, aka Morgan.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: He said, they are not maybe from the tennis world,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: They are not maybe used to watching every single match.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: They were a bit over the top.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Now, Zverev didn't actually mention Morgan's Instagram post to the press. Instead,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: it appears he's trying to claim that he was offended
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: by Morgan's cheering in the crowd. So Zverev came out
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: later and said that he had injured his knee during
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the game and he thought it was a bit off
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: how everyone was cheering so much for Fritz when it
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: was clear that the outcome of the match had a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: lot to do with his injured knee and not actually
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the fact that he was playing badly. Now, Morgan has
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: become almost a feminist icon in this moment because following
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the press conference, she appeared to stoke the fire by
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: sharing another Instagram story, this time of her holding a
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: drink with the caption, when your man wins for the girls.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think I could love her anymore because I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: became obsessed with Morgan during the Australian Open and I've
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: been following her ever since.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: And she's just such a legend.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: It's quite funny because she, in Vogue, she recently spoke
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: about how she doesn't mind the term wag.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: She's almost reclaimed it in a way.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: She's also known as the Barbie doll of the tour.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And she just sort of says, owns it and says,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't mind being called that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I feel like I am.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: There was a recent TikTok she did where she said
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: she was wearing a Barbie core inspired outfit just to
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: piss the tennis fans off, like the male tennis fans.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And it did piss them off, in fact. Now, a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: lot of people were like you, Sophie. They were celebrating
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Morgan's posts. However, Morgan has since come out and blamed
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the media for overblowing her social media posts. So she said,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: regarding my stories yesterday, I took them down as soon
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: as I realized the misunderstanding and how blown out of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: proportion they had become by the media. They were not
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: about anything that's happened off the tennis court and there's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: no bad blood between anyone. Super proud of T for
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the match yesterday. Thank you to the crowd for the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: support and looking forward to tomorrow. What do you think
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: about the backflip?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I love a bit of Wimbledon drama.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I do think she's been forced to come out and
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: water down these comments by her boyfriend's team because these
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: comments were clearly directed at Zverev, but it's not a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: good look when you're on the tour as a player
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to have your girlfriend causing beef in the media. Yeah,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and I think the fact that Taylor Fritz was then
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: going on to play in the semifinals. They didn't want
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: this story to continue and they didn't want it to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: overshadow this semifinals appearance. I mean, he lost in the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: semifinal match. If he had won, he would have gone
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: on to play against Novak Djokovic in the final. It
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: would have been absolutely huge for his career. I wonder
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: if it caused any tension between Morgan and Taylor as well.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I also think that maybe there was a legal threat
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: from Zverev's team.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I think that Tennis is such a gentleman's sport. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's not a good look if you're on
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the tour to be making enemies of other players. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, Zverev pointed out, he's like, I don't have
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a problem with Taylor Fritz, but he pointed out his
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: issue was clearly with Morgan. Do you think it also
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: comes down to the tennis players not liking the fact
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that a player's wife or girlfriend is taking.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Attention away from them and attention away from the sport? Well, possibly.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, he might actually be concerned about the power
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that she holds within the social media world.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's world number four.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: He should be better known than her. But the reality
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is that there probably were more people queuing up to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: get a photo with Morgan Riddle than him.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: Mars and Pluto clash in the sky today.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: In Taurus and Aquarius.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: And this is, I'm not going to lie, a tough transit,
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: which is why I've been advising many of you in
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: your weekly horoscopes to try and avoid potential blow-ups and
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: not get caught in the fray.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Channel 7 has come under fire after revealing it will
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: add an astrology segment to its nightly news service. Celebrity
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: astrologer Natasha Weber, better known as AstroTash, will front the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: 20-second report which will air after the weather.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: This is an.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Utterly bizarre decision and I want to point out it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: comes off the back of mass job cuts at Channel
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: 7 and that is due to the failed meta deal
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: which we spoke about in an episode a couple of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: weeks ago. There are reports that seven staff members are
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not happy about this move because it really does call
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: into question the credibility of their news service.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And it makes them look like a laughingstock.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not surprised by the reaction from staff
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: because when you look at the feedback that's currently out there,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's not good. So 3AW' s Tom Elliott described the segment
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: as a load of rubbish and said, astrology in the news,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's not science, it's not fact. While journalist Tracy Spicer
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: said that she assumed it was a joke and public
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: health professor Simon Chapman suggested perhaps Seven could run a
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: leprechaun sighting segment next. My favorite response was from recently
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: sacked Brisbane newsreader Sharon Godella. So she took a swipe
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: at the news segment and that was when she was
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: addressing her recent exit. So She was fired after 17
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: years at the network and she wrote on Facebook, it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite how I expected to end at Channel 7.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Here's hoping my horoscope for tomorrow will be for brighter
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: times ahead. What a bird. Do you think there is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: place for horoscopes in news bulletins?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: No, I think this is a complete joke.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And when I read it, I thought that this must
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: be a rumour because it just seems absolutely absurd. horoscopes
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: are not based on scientific fact. It confuses things. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: people are going to be saying, well, is this news credible?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Is this factual?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really cheapens the brand. And I think it's
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: clear that it's a desperate attempt from Seven to attract
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a younger audience. So its new head of news and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: current affairs told media outlets, the network is exploring new
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: ideas and concepts to bring in new audiences so that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: we can showcase them this journalism. I'm sorry, but this
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: is not the way to get people watching the news.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be switching over to the ABC because,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get that this is a commercial network
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and at the end of the day they have to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: sell advertising, they have to get eyeballs, but I don't
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: think that this is the way to do it. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: think this is going to upset a lot of their
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: loyal viewers. What's more disturbing is the new head of
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: news and current affairs has also claimed that they're just
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: getting started.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a bit concerned. What is next?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Because There are reports from The Australian that Seven is
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: set to launch a weekly comedy skit hosted by comedian
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Mark Humphries, and apparently this is going to run.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: For three minutes on Fridays. What the hell?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Is this because they're getting rid of all of their journalists,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that they don't have enough people to cover stories, so
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: they're thinking, fuck, we need to fit something into this.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: New hour bulletin?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: No, I think probably what it is is they've had
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a brainstorming meeting and it's involved 10 men, all over 50,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and they've thought, we get a younger audience?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Comedy videos. That's funny.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, next they're going to probably suggest doing some
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: lame top viral videos.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Of the day.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Is this because they've been instructed to think about TikTok
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and not ratings? So are they thinking that this clip
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of their horoscopes is going to perform really well on TikTok.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Their comedy skits are going to perform really well on TikTok.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It's going to get more people following. I actually think
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that might be why they're doing it. Well, I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: they're just trying to get millennial and Gen Z viewers
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and they think that, oh, this is the kind of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: shit that they're interested in. But no one is tuning
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in to free to air TV. So they are expecting
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: millennials and Gen Zers to see this on TikTok.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Why don't they get a focus group of millennials and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Gen Zers together and actually ask them what they care about?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Because I actually think this group of people, they want
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to know what's happening. They're very socially conscious. And I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: think what the issue has been is that in the past,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and I know this from experience having worked there, there
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was a big focus on crime stories because they rated.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And I think the view was that if people are
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: living in fear, they're going to tune into the nightly news. However,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: in 2024, people are sick of seeing negative stories. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think the answer is bringing in lame news segments.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I think that they want to bring more light and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: shade to the news service. So maybe bring in some
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: more upbeat stories that people aren't so depressed to watch.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, they're starting to do that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I know on Channel 7 in Adelaide before the weather
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: called The Little Ray of Sunshine, and that focuses on
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: positive news. It's a really big one for our clients
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: because sometimes it's the only way you can get a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: really positive story out there about a lifestyle brand. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: maybe they've had a really great reaction to that segment
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and are thinking, what are more ways that we can
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: implement positive or fun news into the bulletin. Yeah, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think what's going to happen is by implementing the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: suggested segment, it's actually going to cut off a lot
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of their viewers, like their older viewers who aren't going
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to want to watch that shit.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: All the older viewers are dying out. They're saying, fuck you.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I don't care about what you guys want anymore.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: But the issue is I don't think they're actually going
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to attract any new younger viewers either with this content. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the more I think about this, maybe it is a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: stroke of genius from Channel 7 because this content is
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: going to perform very well on TikTok. There are going
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to be a lot of send-ons because we know that
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: young people are obsessed with horoscopes. They're going to be
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: tagging their friends. Also, this comedy segment has the potential
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of being very cringe and very good for viral views
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. Well, the interesting thing about Astro Tash is
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: she already appears on Seven's The Morning Show and has
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: her own horoscope segment. So Kind of seems like they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just trying to recycle that. I wonder if it has
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a bit to do with her appearance. She's a very
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: attractive woman. I also think it would come down to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that segment being quite a popular one for them, so
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: they want to trial it in.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The 6pm edition.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I am foreseeing not the greatest times ahead for Channel 7.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: If I'm looking at my.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Horoscope, I don't have any actual experience or knowledge in this,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: but bad times.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Seem to be ahead for them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Mars is in retrograde.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Maybe.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe. My breast implants removed yesterday at St. Vincent's Private Hospital.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Former Married at First Sight contestant Martha Kalafatidis has opened
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: up about her recent breast explant surgery. The 36-year-old shared
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: a lengthy video to TikTok explaining her decision to have
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: them removed.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I just have wanted to have my implants removed for
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: like a few years now. I just, probably around three
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: years ago... just before I got pregnant, I had this feeling.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: That I just wanted them out.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I've had them for about 15 years and I've never
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: ever been able to like feel them. They've always just
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: felt so natural. But around three years ago, I started
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: to like feel them for some reason. They just, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: was just aware of them. I just became so aware
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Like inside me. Martha couldn't initially go ahead with that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: surgery because she unexpectedly fell pregnant with her and Michael's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: first son, Lucius, in 2022. But now that he's a
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: year and a half and Martha has stopped breastfeeding, she
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: thought this year might be the right time to do it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Her only hesitation was that she was worried it might
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: interfere with her plans to have another baby.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And she wanted to know how.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Quickly she could safely fall pregnant following the procedure. Her
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: surgeon did put her at ease saying she can try
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and conceive two months after surgery. He did warn her though,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that with pregnancy, her breasts will change. Here's what she said.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: They're going to like stretch out and then they could
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: start to like sag again. But honestly, at.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: This stage in my life, I really don't give a fuck.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: About having the perkiest boobs in town.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Like I'm 36.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: That is a really good attitude for Martha to have.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I have really been enjoying her TikTok content recently. So
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: she's been sharing content about her living back at home
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: with her parents. So her and Michael moved in around
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: two years ago and that was because they had a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: few issues with their house. It's also because Martha had
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: HG during her pregnancy. So she was bed bound for
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: most of her pregnancy. It was a really tough one.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So she needed to be surrounded by her family. And
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of her content features her mum, Mary, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: she is hilarious. And recently she's been reminding Martha that
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: maybe they should move out of the house because she's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: been having to do.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: All the cooking, all of the cleaning.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I think they're worried about their TikTok content if they
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: do move away from Mary though because even with Michael,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: he is constantly doing brand deals around having this mother-in-law
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: who's always around and a lot of his comedic videos
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: centre on her as well. Well, Martha recently told her mom,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: she's like, I have no plans of moving out. Like
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I've got it too good in this house.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Why would you? It looks great.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: You've got babysitters all the time. You've got home cooked meals.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Now back to Martha's ex-plant. So she created a TikTok
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: video following her surgery and she said she was surprised
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: at how good she was feeling. She could lift her
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: hands above her head and she was in no pain.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: She also gave her followers a close up look of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: her new shape. So she removed her pajama top to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: show her compression bra. Here's what she said.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I feel really flat.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: So you can't really.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Tell because I've got these two and this is a lot.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Of swelling up here.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: But if you look at me on the side, you
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: can tell that I definitely have a lot smaller bust. Also,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: look how long it's made my torso look so long.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Her fiance, Michael, wasn't thrilled about this surgery.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: He created a comedic video for TikTok and he showed
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Martha in her surgical gown about to be wheeled in.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And he wrote, saying goodbye to my two best friends today.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And in the background, the Titanic's My Heart Will Go
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: On was playing. That would piss me off if I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: saw that. I know it's a joke, but I don't know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't sit well with me.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You don't know how much of it is a joke.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It kind of, to me, is in poor taste. A
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: lot of people did find it quite funny. It created
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of engagement. There were also a lot.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Of questions around whether this surgery was sponsored. Martha confirmed
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that she wasn't affiliated with the surgeon and she paid
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: $ 15, 000 for the procedure.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: $ 15, 000?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, when they go in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to have their breasts done, they don't consider... the additional costs,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: because every 10 years or 15 years, you're meant to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: go and get them replaced. And I didn't even realize
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that if you wanted them removed, it would cost an
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: additional $ 15, 000. I think it was particularly expensive because she
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: went with a breast specialist instead of a cosmetic surgeon.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And it was someone who had done all of her friends'
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: breast implants back in the day, which made me laugh
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: because it kind of sounds like in your 20s, you're
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: getting them put in, in your mid-30s, you're getting them removed. Well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's becoming such a popular surgery, especially in 2024. We've
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: seen a huge increase in women having their implants removed.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it's to do with some women
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who've had breast implants that have ruptured. In the case
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of Martha, hers didn't rupture, but she said she just
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: felt suddenly uncomfortable. A lot of women are also getting
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: them removed because they're experiencing very debilitating symptoms. which are
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  Speaker 2: related to breast implant illness. So some of the symptoms
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  Speaker 2: can include chronic debilitating anxiety, suicidal thoughts, brain fog, joint pain, fatigue, rashes,
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  Speaker 2: and hair loss. Now, there is also a condition known
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  Speaker 2: as SSBI. So that is symptomatic symptoms associated with breast implants,
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  Speaker 2: but that is not medically recognized yet. But currently, Australia
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  Speaker 2: is conducting its first study into breast implant illness, And
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  Speaker 2: the early findings show that 70 to 80% of symptoms
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  Speaker 2: lessen or disappear entirely after implants are removed.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're just going to see more and more
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  Speaker 2: people getting their breast implants removed, especially if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the celebrity world, because Tori Spelling, Blac Chyna and
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  Speaker 2: Chrissy Teigen all had their implants removed. We're obviously seeing
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  Speaker 2: influencers like Martha talking about her experience. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's also because women are becoming more aware of the
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  Speaker 2: risks associated with breast implants and they're able to share
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  Speaker 2: their real life experiences online. I mean, looking at Martha's
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  Speaker 2: comment section, it was full of women saying that they're
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  Speaker 2: also getting their implants removed and talking about all of
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  Speaker 2: the really severe symptoms that they've experienced since having them in.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is so fantastic to see Martha using
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  Speaker 2: her platform to urge women to think carefully before getting surgery,
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  Speaker 2: because She finished her video by saying she wishes she
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  Speaker 2: never went under the knife and she heavily regrets it
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  Speaker 2: and she wants young women to think very, very carefully
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