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Talks to Luke Molloy about his choice of Asylum of the Daleks · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blunt pen knife
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  for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker hello and welcome back to A Hamster with a Blunt
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  Penknife, the Doctor Who Commentary podcast with me, Luke
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  Malloy, and our host Joe Ford. Hello.
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  What was? That AM Sr.
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  Hello. Welcome to a hamster with a
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  blunt bear knife. Oh no, I sound like a creepy
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  pervert. Well, we're both creepy
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  perverts. We're going to oh God.
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  That's good thing. We're doing a Steven Moffitt
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  script, then in it the Creep. Yeah, we've got to be in that
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  zone and we're doing Asylum of the Daleks.
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  Yeah, we've been talking about this for some time now, haven't
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  we? Yeah, I absolutely love it.
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  And you? I I'm not a fan of this one, but
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  then that'll come as no great surprise to anybody.
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  I remember once you put up a publicity still of this story.
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  You know that fabulous picture that was on the front cover of
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  Doctor Who Magazine? Is that the one of?
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  Harry and Amy and there's all sort of sparks raining down and
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  Daleks all around them. Does that actually happen in
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  this story? He picks her up when she
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  collapses around the ballerinas. It's not as action-packed as it
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  looked on the posters, but I mean, who who cares?
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  It's a publicity Provo. The world of Nothing Time Doctor
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  Falls poster is like see cyber and flying around explosions.
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  That doesn't particularly happen.
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  It's weird, you know, because I had years and years, Five years,
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  in fact, that Jimmy was in charge of the show where I had
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  to compare his publicity attempts to happy love,
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  publicity that came before. But fortunately, we're now back
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  in the era of Rusty Davis, where there's been more publicity in
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  the last three months than there was.
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  In the last. Five.
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  Yeah, it it was really all summed up by Ryan Graham.
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  And y'all sat around the table, wasn't it?
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  It really was. Are you excited?
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  For oh, I wasn't. Look at.
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  This I wanted to know what they were drinking.
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  How? How far we fell.
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  How far we fell I because you and I recorded the series six
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  story the other day. I'm going to ask you the same
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  question I asked you at the beginning of that two parter is
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  how do you find Series 7, both A&B or as a whole?
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  If you want to talk about it that way, Do you think it
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  compares well to what came before?
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  Are there issues with? Yeah, everyone knows there's
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  issues with it. I think the Matt Smith seasons,
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  it's my second favorite. I think 6 is actually my least
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  favorite, but it is just that sort of feeling of it being dark
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  like we discussed the other day. They're only being like certain
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  episodes that particularly stand out.
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  Seven's very accessible. You can see why it went for the
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  stand alone 11 a week. Different story thing in the
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  build up to the 50th because you can just pop in and pop out.
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  The problem is it does lead to quite a few of them feeling a
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  bit non substantial or feeling like you have another
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  particularly full meal. But I I like popping into quite
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  a lot of these. And because they're all visually
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  different and sort of totally different, you know, you've got
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  your hides and you've got your rings of Akuten, the name of the
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  Doctor, so they're all sort of all doing different things.
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  And you don't particularly have to be strapped down to the
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  season arc like you were in Series 6.
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  So it definitely works as a reaction to Season 6.
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  And I think I prefer B, Yeah, I know, I know.
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  I think I prefer BI Love, Amy and Rory.
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  I don't think there's that much more of a story to tell with
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  them and it is just about successfully done over 5
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  episodes. This really got me excited for
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  Clara when or Oswin when it started and so I think I was
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  always just excited to get to Clara slash Oswin and they felt
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  really fresh at the time. I I don't they they don't really
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  on the surface like she's a girl that doesn't know Twitter what
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  Twitter is but they felt like fresh big stories.
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  Doctor Who looked great. Very colourful, yeah.
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  As a reaction to like what we've seen as well.
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  Like visually, I think it's a step up from six.
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  Yeah, and I quite liked you know it is we have got the impossible
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  girl but it is a bit more just stripped back and simple and I
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  say like if you just. Want to put look in my language
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  now? Moffitt stripped back and
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  simple. I love it when I get when we get
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  complicated. But like, I just, I do really
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  like that run of B where you've just got 8 episodes of a doctor,
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  a companion doing an adventure. For me, it's like a game of two
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  halves. I think that 7A minus Asylum of
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  the Daleks but including The Snowman is my favorite, like
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  consecutive run of Steven Moffat era episodes from any season.
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  I don't think there's a dub there.
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  Dinosaurs on a Spaceship I think is brilliant fun.
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  That is, that is Chip. Features possibly Matt Smith's
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  best performance, and it addresses all the things I
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  dislike about his performance, like the way he does anger and
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  things like that. But does it brilliantly and it's
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  a good morality tale as well and it's a good western.
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  I think The Power of 3 is one of Chipnall's best scripts.
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  I don't like the ending, but until that point, I think it's
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  one of his best ever scripts. Angel Takes Manhattan.
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  It's brilliant and I love the Snowman as well.
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  There's no other point in Muffet's run where I've got 5
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  consecutive stories that I like in Iraq.
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  Like B is my least favorite run of ever.
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  Steven Muffet's era I've never sort of gone from.
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  Such a high to. Such a low so.
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  Quickly Bell St. John.
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  I think it's very substandard. I like the rings of Akuten.
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  Cold War is boring as hell it is.
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  I've got very mixed feelings about Journey to Center Toilets
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  and Nightmare Silver like the deer of the new series.
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  It's horror's. Fun to a point.
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  Name of the doctors, Moffett riffing like he's doing his old
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  tricks and just sort of waiting out to the 50th.
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  And it really feels like a lot of the innovation of this, of
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  this series is sort of going down the pan.
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  I so I agree with a bit of what you said.
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  Yeah. If I had to go through it, I
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  think out of all of the Asylum of Daleks is the best one.
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  Or the whole? Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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  Maybe not including the 50th for that itself, but that's a bit
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  harder to write. Anyway, we'll get into why we
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  don't want dinosaurs is fine, but it it's very it's a chip
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  null tick, list of countdowns and big crews and everything
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  else that he usually does. A town called Mercy is fine as
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  well. It's not one I particularly like
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  to put on. I do like that scene though,
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  where you know the the scene when he kicks him out and he's
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  holding the gun and everything that is.
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  Brilliant Scarborough's performance as the.
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  I just think Western's there's only so much new stuff you can
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  do with the. I don't particularly think it
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  treads all the grounds. It's just it's just a bit
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  repetitive because you've seen it, quite a lot of the tropes
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  and stuff before. They pull off a western, IE
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  visually, in a way that they have those enormous vistas, you
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  know, horses, right in a western town in the middle of nowhere.
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  It just looks amazing. Yeah, the visuals have gone up
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  another notch, haven't they? Like Series 6, apart from The
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  Impossible Astronaut Lake is generally BBC budget.
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  But then you get to hear and we start to get more episodes that
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  look more expensive. I don't think there's, I don't
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  think there's like a massive knock down during Capaldi's
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  time, but I know that they had their budget was knocked during
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  that era. Yeah, I think that the budget
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  was knocked down, but they film it so much better that it's it
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  has a style and A and a class about it that makes it look like
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  it's. Lights down.
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  You know, you can't really tell. They're in small studios.
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  A power of three. I totally agree with you.
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  It's great up until that last 10 minutes where it sounds like I
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  can't wait for the behind the scenes on that one day when we
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  finally get to the bottom. What the hell did Stephen Burke
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  off do? I'm not playing this shit.
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  I'm gone. Are you just saying that it's
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  very good, but riddled with sort of stupid logic?
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  In a way, The snowman's brilliant.
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  The snowman is brilliant. Do you know what I really love
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  about those four is that I am totally on board with Amy in
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  those four episodes in a way that I'll never have been
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  before. I think she is portrayed as
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  being mature and competent and just effortlessly likable.
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  They've kind of ironed out her rougher side.
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  I mean, she wouldn't be though if it wasn't for this divorce
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  plot in this 10. God, OK, well, we'll get into
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  that. But that does like in series six
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  they are aiming where we are on the same page.
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  But then this really reinforces it like almost for life.
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  Which then you get in Angels Take Manhattan, But yeah, no.
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  And then seven BI really like bells.
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  It's just a breezy run around. Rings is fucking great even
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  though everyone hates it. Also, Saint John is about evil
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  Wi-Fi and what do we get? Just a bunch of robots with
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  spoon heads. But it's so it's so breezy.
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  It's not for me, it's not really about the the, like, alien
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  attack. It is just about the Doctor and
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  Clara, sort of on a date, almost in my in my mind their their
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  boyfriend and girlfriend. People don't.
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  People hate this, but they are. You are the.
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  Straightest Doctor Who found of all time.
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  You are the laddish Dr., You just want to fucking in the
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  TARDIS. Maybe the opposite of JMT?
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  Flux had opens with Jody and Mandy scissoring on that.
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  Would you objected. I'd like it so much more.
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  I bet you. Not even scissoring, but if they
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  had been an established like girlfriends I I would like it or
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  I think it's just more interesting the.
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  Trouble is, is I don't think you told the majority of.
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  Doctor Who found them in that? Respect.
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  I don't know. I really, really don't.
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  Which is, which is very refreshing and why I want to
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  keep having your back on this. You're kind of running in
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  people's prejudices, you know? Yeah, I mean it's not, it's not
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  a lie though. It's just something must have
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  happened. The stuff I used to watch as a
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  it's like a kid or TV drama or whatever must have just sunk in
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  that I like it when people are getting off of each other.
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  I used to watch so much Corridation St. and soaps and
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  stuff, and that's constantly happening.
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  So maybe that just fits in the. But, you know, like, you know,
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  I'm from that sort of classic WHO era, which was so chaste.
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  But even if people did kiss, you know, it was, yeah, like.
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  The worst. Chemistry.
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  Ever. Yeah, I remember watching
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  Terminus and then going on Doc Two Wiki and it's like, oh,
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  Davidson's only kiss when he kisses Nyssa.
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  And I was thinking. What is that?
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  A kiss? I did.
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  I. Miss that?
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  And then I had fucking had to put Terminus on again for me to.
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  Try and find it. It's right at the end.
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  Yeah, to see this little Peck, really just nothing, is it?
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  And I don't think, I don't think we get a snog in Doctor Who
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  until the girl in the fireplace. That's the first snog.
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  Oh no. We get one in UF when the Doctor
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  snogs Cassandra. Yeah, OK, that's the first snog
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  then. Or maybe.
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  Oh no. The TV part of, Oh yeah, I was
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  guessing part of the way is just going.
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  Backwards. That's very chase though, the TV
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  movie. Yeah, it's a it's a big moment
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  just for the kiss, isn't it? Was part of the ways is a big
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  moment. There's the kiss, but it's also
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  like the resolution at the same time.
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  It's all sort of lips and no tongues, isn't it?
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  Ashbrook deserve better. So I I promised you a minor Ran
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  at the beginning of this episode.
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  Oh, yes. And I want to say it now because
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  it goes by as such a lick this, but I don't think there's time
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  to address all these things whilst we're going to be
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  watching the episode because there's going to be so much to
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  talk about. But I have a serious issue with
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  the 1st 15 minutes of Asylum with the Daleks, and it's the
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  same issue I have with The Magician's Apprentice in Series
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  9 is I don't think it's necessary at all.
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  I think it's 15 minutes of Steven Moffat vamping and then
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  the plot actually starts when we get to the Asylum, when we're
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  down on the planet. And I would have preferred it
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  had the Doctor just turned up with Amy and Rory.
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  Yeah, he's just collected them and they're not getting on, but
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  they come along in the TARDIS, they land on the asylum and they
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  unpick the mystery of the asylum.
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  What you get instead is this overly elaborate set up for 5
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  minutes and then just basically all the explanations of the
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  episode, minus the the Oswin twist.
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  I've like, right, we're going down to the asylum.
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  This is what it is. This is what we want you to do.
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  So when they're on the planet there's not really anything to
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  sort of unpeel, it's just them sort of wandering around for 20
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  minutes and then the twist at the end.
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  I would basically what I'm saying is I would have preferred
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  this being battered into the shape of a old fashioned Doctor
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  Who story where they just land and discover things as they go
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  along. And if you will bear with me for
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  a second, I've got a small list here of the the intense issues I
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  have with the 1st 5 minutes, the pre title sequence.
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  OK. I was just going to count her in
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  with the you said yeah, you prefer it was a classic series.
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  I was about to say that the whole opening is very much
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  desired for a modern audience, isn't it?
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  It's it's flashy and grabs your attention in a way that for a
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  series opener, I don't think you can open a series with just the
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  Doctor, Amy and Rory Landon on Abandoned Planet.
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  I don't think it does enough to grab your attention for a series
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  opener. I think you would have more time
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  then to explore the things that are interesting about this
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  story, IE the asylum, which we just don't.
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  Well yeah, what we'll say is you're right.
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  We go to the asylum for 20 minutes.
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  I think that 20 minutes is meant to be an action-packed fight
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  against Daleks, which I goes, well, I'll say like 10 minutes
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  of it is, but 10 minutes of it is also wandering around.
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  You are right about that. I was watching Power at the
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  Doctor last night and that does the exact same thing.
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  You have half an hour of dancing around different locations and
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  different like set pieces before the story actually starts with
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  Rasputin. Which story are you talking
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  about? There's about 15 in that one.
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  Yeah, well, the actual story really is the.
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  The Master just needs to capture the Doctor in Rasputin's palace
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  so they can start the first generation.
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  But we get the bit on the train, we get the.
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  Train's all about the little girl.
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  Yeah, but you don't need it, do you?
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  There could just be an energy Planet right there.
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  Like you could. You could use this criticism
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  about any big of Doctor Who. It's artificially created.
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  And I was just like, I was just like, yeah, this is where the
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  plot's starting. So what have the previous 15
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  minutes been about? What I should tell you?
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  You ready? I got a listen.
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  I mean again, in power of the Doctor.
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  The Master gets captured by you that only to go back in time and
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  become Rasputin all that piss for no reason.
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  But you do get the great line. Your dad's an idiot.
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  Power of the Doctor does feel very like a Moffett script with
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  everything thrown in. Did it?
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  It's like Chipnalls list of like, OK, what didn't I cover
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  during the series that I wanted to do?
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  Because my season, last season was condensed.
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  I'm going to put it all in. And he did.
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  Yeah, he did. No wonder you like that one.
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  Yeah, it well, it works like the story isn't really like, doesn't
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  really add up to anything, but it's so flashy and quick that
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  you're just happy. Sorry.
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  Yeah, go on, go on. Your deep, deep critical of the
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  1st 5 minutes. Well.
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  Though because I was like I was watching it and we've ever seen
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  this pre credit. Sequence I was like, oh.
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  God, oh God. Because it was all the things
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  that irritated. Me that.
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  Steven Muff is writing so there was like an off screen
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  development that really makes zero sense given where we last
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  left the characters, which was in The Doctor, Widow and the
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  Wardrobe, where the Doctor went for Christmas dinner and
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  everyone was happy and then skipped forward to one episode
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  later. They hate each other.
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  And there's been all of this off, off screen.
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  Development and I don't like that.
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  I don't like missing, but it's like cutting.
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  Out the drama. It's not one episode later,
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  though. It's nine in in normal time.
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  It's nine months later. Doctor in the Water is in
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  December and then this is in terms.
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  Of the show that we're watching, it's one episode later.
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  I mean loads of loads of series and start their openers with the
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  characters in a different place where we left them.
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  Yeah, I like it. I think.
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  I think people might like it more if it wasn't reverted back
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  to normal by the end maybe. Yeah, well, that's the other
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  thing as well, yeah, is that they have two conversations and
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  then all of these issues go away and they're happily in love
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  again. But the fact that they were
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  signing divorce papers at the beginning of the story?
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  But that is brilliant and we will get there.
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  Well you can tell me when I'm wrong about that also as well.
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  I don't like the over sexualisation of Amy and I know
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  you like that. I don't, but I as a as a hot
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  blooded heterosexual man, I can understand why you were like.
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  No, you're just talking about the modelling stuff for the I
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  don't particularly think that's oversexualisation, though, do
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  you? No, not really.
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  It's not like Siri's fine when she's walking around dressed up
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  in police uniforms and short skirts.
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  It's like it's almost a more powerful thing that she's a
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  mortal, which we know she's. Just opening with this slow.
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  Motion shot of her hair waving in the air.
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  Yeah, but it's meant to show that she's like, powerful
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  because she's getting divorced and she's, you know, it's an
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  intimidating situation for Rory to walk into.
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  I just sort of rolled my eyes and went, OK, we're doing this
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  again. I It's also the way Moffett
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  tells a very simple story in an overly complicated way.
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  That's whole thing about all these Dalek duplicates all over
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  the earth. Picking up Amy, Rory and the
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  Doctor from various locations and I'm like, well.
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  When did they do that? How does this happen?
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  Oh, it's it's what I said about Series 6 is there's there's more
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  questions than there are answers, and it's a way of
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  getting the story from A to B. But by doing that I'm kind of
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  kind. What?
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  How did this all happen? When did they arrive on Earth?
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  What's happening with them now like?
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  They are the sort of questions that if you're not on board with
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  Doctor Who, they annoy you, but if you like the episode, you
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  don't even think about them. I think we know which side of
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  the lie we're on there. Then you've got the
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  bastardization of the show, which Moffett loves doing.
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  The Parliament of the Daleks. Right.
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  What? What's wrong with that?
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  The Daleks don't do. Fucking politics.
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  I mean, I know politics is evil. Don't get me wrong.
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  But the quintessence of evil that's standing.
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  Around debating what they're going to do.
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  But it's no Dumber than any other Daleks set up we've ever
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  had. I just don't make any sense.
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  If we walked into. Into one of their debates.
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  If we walked into that spaceship, it wasn't called
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  that. No one would have an issue with
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  it. It's literally just a label.
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  I I'm not sure that Stephen Moffitt has much interest in the
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  Daleks, and I think in order to do something interesting with
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  them, he tries to bat them into unusual shapes.
• 21:20
  Yeah, I agree with that. I don't.
• 21:21
  I don't think it ever really works.
• 21:23
  No, but again, it's like I admire him for doing it.
• 21:26
  He's looked at the last 50 years and gone.
• 21:29
  He's probably done everything you can do with the Daleks as
• 21:31
  killing tanks. Like we might as well try and
• 21:35
  see where we can push them I. Heard it.
• 21:38
  And into the Dalek, you know where they went.
• 21:40
  Small and inside the Dalek. I preferred all that.
• 21:43
  No shit that because there's just no because the the real bad
• 21:49
  guy inside into the Dalek is them little floaty eyes.
• 21:53
  And no, it's the doctor in it that's like basically
• 21:55
  establishing. That's Clara, and she gives him
• 21:58
  a good slap around the chops. She's always the bad gutter
• 22:02
  about that moment. OK, well, we'll talk.
• 22:05
  We'll talk about that Parliament a bit more, but I just found
• 22:08
  out. Can we imagine?
• 22:09
  We're all standing around, right?
• 22:11
  I do declare we will attack the planet Spiridon.
• 22:16
  No. Please, please don't give Nick
• 22:18
  Briggs ideas he could do. He could do A1 mambos.
• 22:24
  Imagine a whole series of that, just him talking to himself.
• 22:31
  Oh, it would be absolutely awful.
• 22:33
  What else have I got here? Hang on a minute, I'm off screen
• 22:36
  to better done that the Dalek duplicates and their stupid ass
• 22:40
  stalks. I don't like I agree with this
• 22:42
  one. Yeah, I don't even think it
• 22:45
  sounds good on paper. And I and I I think I've got to
• 22:48
  the point now as well where I don't like sort of stupid tag
• 22:53
  lines at the end of pre tile sequences.
• 22:55
  So that whole sort of say if the Daleks say.
• 22:59
  No, that's great. Again, it's a hook to get you
• 23:02
  in, so you got to think if you're a normal.
• 23:04
  You're always subtle the ways of doing this though that.
• 23:07
  If you're if you're a normal viewer, it's tuning in.
• 23:09
  Hasn't particularly watched Dog 2 for a while.
• 23:12
  You know the Daleks are evil. It's a very easy way to be to
• 23:15
  just pique your interest a little bit.
• 23:17
  I thought the only way I could be more annoyed by the Daleks
• 23:20
  charting things out is the end of this episode where they all
• 23:22
  start chanting Doctor Who. Another great moment.
• 23:31
  OK, well that's my list. Well done, you've managed to
• 23:33
  look out there every. Yeah.
• 23:36
  We'll delve into a few in more detail when we start.
• 23:40
  I've got I've got a caveat with this that it comes with just a
• 23:45
  really, really good memory and like I think whenever you're or
• 23:51
  you're watching episode of Doctor and there's a good memory
• 23:53
  associated with it. It instantly becomes up there in
• 23:56
  your favorite. But the Doctor Twitter account,
• 24:00
  months before Silent Daleks, maybe two months, something like
• 24:03
  that, said that the Series 7A trailer was dropping at 6:00 AM
• 24:08
  in the morning and it was like the summer holidays and I was
• 24:12
  like, I'm going to stay up. I don't think I'd ever, ever
• 24:15
  stayed up on my own till like throughout the entire night.
• 24:20
  And like, I mean, Mum and Dad will go to bed at 11:00 and I
• 24:23
  was like, I'm staying up to the alarm.
• 24:25
  For 6:00 AM. Or no, no, it's just staying up.
• 24:28
  And I was like, I'm going to watch Doctor Who all night and
• 24:30
  then when it gets to 6:00 AM, I'll watch the trailer and go to
• 24:32
  bed. Same.
• 24:34
  Story already. Then I picked the DVD off the
• 24:38
  shelf I hadn't watched, which was the Sensorites.
• 24:43
  You said you were going to make a link between this and the
• 24:45
  Sensorites. Which, jeez, it really pushed it
• 24:49
  for tiredness did. You stay awake for six episodes
• 24:53
  of the. Sensor Yeah, yeah.
• 24:55
  Overnight. Overnight, but I was on.
• 24:57
  Fucking stamina loop below, art. I was on Doctor Who TV.
• 25:01
  The website at the time was it was quite good for like a forum
• 25:05
  or comments. So there was like there were
• 25:07
  people up waiting. So I was like talking to people
• 25:10
  on the forum but also watching part four of the sensor rights,
• 25:14
  trying to keep an external. Stimulation was you'd have had
• 25:18
  no hope at all staying away. Oh, well, I know.
• 25:21
  I know, I I actually think that's the only time I've
• 25:24
  watched the sensor. It's that night, which again,
• 25:27
  makes it a little bit more special.
• 25:29
  I remember part one being amazing.
• 25:31
  It's, you know, it starts on the spaceship.
• 25:33
  You get the sensor out of the window.
• 25:34
  It's like, oh, I've got five more of these.
• 25:37
  Thing that makes me laugh right is you've got Doctor Who, this
• 25:40
  amazing traveller in time and space.
• 25:41
  Yeah, and but it's the first time in the show they've ever
• 25:44
  gone to a spaceship. So when the door's open, he
• 25:47
  goes. It's a spaceship.
• 25:49
  I've never seen one before. Oh, it is creepy that.
• 25:54
  What did you think of the trailer then?
• 25:56
  Yes. So then the trailer did drop at
• 25:59
  like 6:00 and just I remember being blown away by the shots of
• 26:04
  the Dalek Parliament that like quite a lot of the trailer was a
• 26:08
  sign of the Dalek. So there was, yeah, just had
• 26:10
  this massive like scenes of Daleks and him saying like how
• 26:16
  much trouble are we in out of 10 and 11?
• 26:21
  I just really got me going. Then right at the end of the
• 26:24
  trailer he's it's that shot of him carrying Amy and Rory's
• 26:27
  like, who killed all the Daleks and Dr's like who would you
• 26:30
  think? And I was.
• 26:32
  I was so buzzy, Really, Doctor. Who as Marvel is perfect for
• 26:37
  you? So it felt like it was.
• 26:40
  It was. I trailed it, but a lot of it
• 26:43
  was for a sign of the Daleks and that got me really excited for
• 26:45
  it. And then I watched it and yeah,
• 26:48
  we'll get into it, but the surprises and the twists in it
• 26:52
  related to all swim really made it special as well, that.
• 26:56
  Was the best of this episode. Yeah.
• 26:59
  What irritates me about that? Obviously there's the caveat is
• 27:02
  none of it makes sense in in hindsight.
• 27:05
  And the twist of what happens to Clara jumping into that wibbly
• 27:08
  thing and all the splinters and none of it is given anywhere
• 27:11
  near enough explanation. I'm like, what were those
• 27:14
  people? Are there millions of Clara
• 27:16
  around the universe, living random lives, having no clue as
• 27:21
  to how they came to be? Well, it doesn't matter if if
• 27:24
  you're on board with it, it's there.
• 27:25
  And if you're not, it doesn't have to be because.
• 27:28
  It. Might not be your answer to
• 27:29
  every single time we do. Name, but because because the
• 27:33
  Doctor doesn't die at Gentle or anymore then the Clara splinters
• 27:37
  thing doesn't happen, but it it also sort of does.
• 27:41
  So you can just choose whichever one you want and.
• 27:44
  Boss idea, do you know? Well, because she jumps into
• 27:48
  this. Like, you know, all those
• 27:49
  mysteries we discussed in The Impossible Astronaut.
• 27:52
  I wish he'd stuck the landing in the Web Roof Song.
• 27:54
  All the mysteries around Clara. And this.
• 27:56
  I wish he'd stuck the landing in name of the Doctor.
• 28:00
  Like he's got such massive ideas, such bold ideas.
• 28:04
  I. Think he really tries to
• 28:05
  simplify it for the Impossible Girl though, because it is just
• 28:08
  she steps in to a time stream and is split across all his
• 28:12
  adventures, which isn't anywhere near as complex as season 6.
• 28:16
  It's not. But then I I just don't
• 28:18
  understand what those splinters are like.
• 28:21
  Are they living lives like they seem to be living lives?
• 28:23
  Because every time we catch up with one of them, Oswin and the
• 28:26
  governess and all of this. So is there the potential, the
• 28:30
  Doctor Who story? We might suddenly see a version
• 28:33
  of Clara. Like, yeah, yeah.
• 28:34
  And I think I've. I've not got there yet.
• 28:36
  But the Doctor Who comic strip did it, but they had Capaldi and
• 28:40
  Clara bump into another Clara Splinter.
• 28:44
  But I've not read it so I don't know.
• 28:47
  But yeah, I feel like it's just it's loads of versions of her
• 28:50
  with a subconscious thought to help a time traveller called the
• 28:55
  Doctor. If ever, if it ever happens, but
• 28:57
  without knowing, you know. I'll tell you what I I think I
• 28:59
  got, I promise, all guarantees that we've been talking 25
• 29:02
  minutes now already. We will talk about this in a
• 29:06
  minute. But like, I know you can
• 29:07
  disagree with this, but when we got to The Woman Who Fell to
• 29:10
  Earth and it was just normal people being introduced in a
• 29:15
  normal way, it was so refreshing for me because I was like, fine,
• 29:19
  suddenly we've got characters that aren't just fucking plot
• 29:22
  functions and mysteries, and I get it.
• 29:24
  It can be really exciting, it can be done really well.
• 29:27
  And some of this throughout the Moffett run is done really,
• 29:29
  really well. I just I just don't think he can
• 29:32
  get it from A to B to Z in a satisfying way.
• 29:36
  It wasn't just the woman who fell to earth, though.
• 29:38
  Yeah, Bill and Bill hasn't got any sort of universal.
• 29:43
  I know she fucks a puddle at the end.
• 29:45
  But wasn't it it? Was it?
• 29:46
  Was it was? All a bit weird When she turned
• 29:48
  into a puddle and had that lesbian affair and all that,
• 29:50
  that was very strange. The pilot is brilliant because
• 29:53
  you're like, wow. It's like this brand new energy
• 29:57
  that like feel and character in the room that, as you say, isn't
• 30:01
  necessarily a plot function. I never feel like Amy's a plot
• 30:03
  function. I think it's something that's
• 30:06
  cast on her upon time. Where's Clara?
• 30:08
  It's. It's it's river during that
• 30:09
  period. Yeah, no, that's fine, because
• 30:13
  she's not. She's just drifting in and out.
• 30:15
  I never, I never really sort of engaged with her as a character
• 30:18
  because she is always, like I said to you before, talking in
• 30:22
  the scrutables all the time and mysteries.
• 30:24
  Yeah, which is why she is so good and the Angels take
• 30:27
  Manhattan, because it's the one time where the doctor with her
• 30:30
  basically on the same page and at the same point.
• 30:33
  No, I love the bit where they're not where he's.
• 30:36
  Going. You know I will never see you
• 30:38
  again. Amy and Rivers going.
• 30:40
  Go on, go and be with him. And I'm like yes.
• 30:43
  Yeah, yeah. No.
• 30:44
  One point where I. Genuinely feel like she's her
• 30:46
  fucking daughter. Well yeah, it's a weird one
• 30:53
  there because they are my daughter, but it is just by
• 30:56
  title, isn't it? Because they don't really.
• 30:59
  It's not actually brings her up, forget the metals thing.
• 31:02
  It's just like, bring her up. Let's not go with Eric.
• 31:05
  Well, we covered the entirety of the Steven Muffet era.
• 31:07
  Now to close this episode of a hamster with Blood Men.
• 31:12
  Yeah, come on, let's press play and watch this.
• 31:14
  We could just keep talking. The travel.
• 31:17
  But you are right, there are so many talking points in this era.
• 31:21
  Yeah, and and and like, yeah, I think this happens anytime you
• 31:25
  talk about a series, seven story.
• 31:26
  People say series sevens like simple, basic, whatever.
• 31:30
  Anyone Whoever does a podcast 76. 789 and 10 All of them I.
• 31:35
  Think I feel like because The Stand Alone Your Head Series 7
• 31:39
  feels like probably the simplest of the lot, and there isn't like
• 31:42
  a plot arc or anything. But you listen to any podcast on
• 31:44
  Series 7 and they'll have started the exact same way, the
• 31:48
  way we'll have done. Do you like 7A or 7B?
• 31:51
  Do you like Clara or this? Do you like where it goes?
• 31:54
  Do you like how it starts the 50th?
• 31:56
  You can't talk about any of these stories about it.
• 31:59
  I'll tell you what, right. So I've just, we will start a
• 32:02
  second. I'll just put out a Twitter
• 32:05
  thing about a can you hear me commentary I'm doing right and
• 32:09
  there's a sequence at the end of that and I think chip or savvier
• 32:12
  than people think he is. And is Graham saying to the
• 32:16
  doctor, I'm really scared that my cancer?
• 32:19
  I have seen this. And the doctor basically going,
• 32:23
  I don't know how to react to this.
• 32:25
  I'm going to go over here and try and think of something
• 32:27
  clever to say to you or something that you're and people
• 32:30
  really hate. And it's super divisive, OK?
• 32:34
  And I love it because I've seen it, you know, I've absolutely
• 32:36
  seen that. And I've I've dealt with some
• 32:38
  pretty heavy things and I've seen people not be able to have
• 32:41
  that conversation. But I feel like the Steven
• 32:44
  Moffett era as a whole is that scene.
• 32:48
  It's very divisive, but and he knows he's being divisive with a
• 32:53
  lot of the stuff he's doing. But boy, it's going to get
• 32:55
  people talking. Yeah, he definitely knows he's
• 32:58
  being divisive because he's always trying to do something
• 33:01
  that will subvert expectation, which is maybe why it sort of
• 33:06
  appeals more to fans as it goes on.
• 33:08
  But yeah, and he's also, he does have to react against the four
• 33:11
  years that Russell T did because you couldn't just keep doing the
• 33:14
  same thing. Like it is almost harder to keep
• 33:18
  it going. I'm not saying it was.
• 33:20
  Easy when he. Took it to such a a sort of
• 33:23
  populist place. You know where it was at his
• 33:25
  zenith with the public. Exactly.
• 33:28
  And I think he did. Even though, you know, sort of
• 33:31
  drifted off and people did generally drift off, I still
• 33:34
  think he did bloody amazing to keep it going with the amount of
• 33:37
  people watching as he did when he left six.
• 33:39
  Years as well. Like Series 10 of a show, it
• 33:44
  doesn't really happen. Where Are We Now, Series 14?
• 33:49
  Yeah. So we're already talking about
• 33:52
  15. Yeah, it's great.
• 33:54
  Should we press play? Yes, we should.
• 33:59
  OK. Just just count you in always
• 34:03
  321 go we go. A stunning CGI opening.
• 34:10
  Yeah, We start on Skyro, which is just back.
• 34:14
  I always quite like there to be some exponential going straight
• 34:17
  in with the criticism. I didn't quite like there to be
• 34:19
  an explanation. You're always doing that,
• 34:22
  especially when I was younger. I can see why.
• 34:25
  You wouldn't, was post Time War Skyro isn't it?
• 34:28
  There's been sort of decimated by the Time Lords.
• 34:30
  Yeah, it's probably in spin off media that was destroyed and
• 34:34
  come back about 700 times so. Yeah, every Big Finish release
• 34:38
  each month. Do you know who this woman is?
• 34:44
  It's Rodney Booze from Resurrection of the Daleks.
• 34:47
  It's exactly the same character that's not aware as a Dalek
• 34:51
  duplicate until the moment hits. Brilliant.
• 34:55
  I love this. The the back stories of Dalek
• 34:59
  prison camps that we've never, ever seen.
• 35:02
  They're mentioned a few times in Moffat's era.
• 35:06
  You did see one in Destiny and the Daleks, you know, we had a
• 35:09
  ragtag bunch of extras in space clothing doing sort of mining.
• 35:14
  If we've never seen in the new shows, you can imagine it'd be
• 35:16
  really very good and dark. Why have we never done Daleks in
• 35:20
  a prison? Or Daleks run in a prison and
• 35:22
  like like The Great Escape, but with Daleks?
• 35:25
  We've done prison like Daleks as prisoners, but we've not done
• 35:28
  the other way. Yeah, we The Great Escape with
• 35:31
  Daleks is pitch right there. I'm Russell T and your Mickey
• 35:35
  Mouse money. You can pull this off.
• 35:38
  Got to stop saying Mickey Mouse money.
• 35:43
  Should we, should we dive in a little bit with Rory and Amy
• 35:46
  being divorced then? Because we're.
• 35:47
  If you go, come on, I had my say if you're going.
• 35:50
  To start straight away, yeah, I I think it's a good new,
• 35:54
  interesting place to start with them, especially a couple that's
• 35:57
  meant to be solid and be like that, yeah, the companions, the
• 36:03
  look, that gun coming out of the hand looks terrible by the way,
• 36:06
  but. It's not the knob coming out of
• 36:08
  her head. And they didn't even look at
• 36:11
  this and go, whoa, this didn't work.
• 36:12
  And they do it again in time with the Doctor.
• 36:14
  Yeah, yeah, I know. But I think it gives a harder
• 36:18
  edge to Rory that we've probably always wanted.
• 36:21
  I quite like that, you know, the way he's sitting there with the
• 36:23
  papers. Yeah, and it is hair in this
• 36:26
  episode. It's great.
• 36:28
  I get sexier as he goes on. By the time he leaves an
• 36:32
  angel's, he's really hot. You know not.
• 36:34
  Quite as sexy as he did in with those glasses in the impostor
• 36:37
  Astronaut you. Oh.
• 36:38
  Yeah, it's a dig though. But I noticed actually she's the
• 36:42
  one in moments of danger. She's the one that keeps
• 36:44
  shouting his name out, so she's sort of reaching out to him and
• 36:48
  he's the one that's holding back from her.
• 36:52
  And I know it seems rash that they've just suddenly got
• 36:55
  divorced and he seems to have taught had a conversation, but
• 36:58
  isn't that how all relationships breakdown?
• 37:01
  It's just miscommunication and. Or a stupid act her.
• 37:07
  Her reason for miscommunicating, it's because it's really, really
• 37:12
  personal to her. Because she can't have kids and
• 37:14
  she wants how? Can't she have kids?
• 37:17
  She says it's because of what happened at Demons Run, so
• 37:20
  Madame Kavarian's like experiments or whatever, and she
• 37:23
  knows that Rory wants kids, so she's giving him up.
• 37:26
  That is that. So it's almost a deeper love
• 37:28
  story. Post Series 6, there is a lot of
• 37:31
  sort of emphasis as Amy the Mother isn't there.
• 37:35
  Yeah, but it's again it's because of growing arc in series
• 37:40
  5 is done. I mean the dialects put that bus
• 37:44
  driver in there dialect duplicate bus driver.
• 37:48
  You don't have to think about it.
• 37:51
  Did you see that light bulb flickering?
• 37:54
  I was, Oh yeah, light bulb theory.
• 37:55
  When I watched this because there was a light bulb
• 37:57
  flickering in town called Mercy as well, I was confused.
• 38:00
  The flickering light bulbs was going to lead to something.
• 38:03
  Yeah, light bulb theory. There was loads, wasn't there?
• 38:05
  And it is it just a little indication that the Weeping
• 38:08
  Angels are coming back in the finale.
• 38:09
  Is that all? You know what it.
• 38:11
  Is it's Steven Moffett guy and there's people looking out for
• 38:13
  this stuff. Well, yeah.
• 38:14
  Let's give them something and it gets them debated and then
• 38:17
  they'll be able to hide into nothing.
• 38:19
  But by the way, that shot of Rory looking out the spaceship
• 38:21
  window and seeing Dalek spaceships looks amazing because
• 38:24
  it because it looks quite natural.
• 38:27
  I think a lot, a lot of the story.
• 38:29
  Like we talked a little bit earlier and I said I had some
• 38:31
  issues with this. Visually, the direction I think
• 38:34
  is stunning and the. Direction is amazing.
• 38:37
  Nick Koran, is it? Yeah, yeah, I think every.
• 38:39
  I think he's so in tune with his vision.
• 38:42
  Yeah. As Hollywood as possible, my
• 38:44
  objection is, is when we get to the asylum and all those
• 38:47
  fabulous old Daleks are barely. Yeah, this.
• 38:52
  Oh God. Look, doesn't the Parliament
• 38:53
  just look amazing, though? Forget how dumb it is for a
• 38:58
  second. Like that whole spectacle I went
• 39:01
  at this point. We'd never seen so many Daleks
• 39:04
  on the screen. But I don't know, maybe I was
• 39:07
  just a little bit bored of the scale of seeing the hundreds of
• 39:10
  thousands of Daleks at this point.
• 39:14
  Again, it's the Dalek was so refreshing for me because it was
• 39:16
  just one again for the most part.
• 39:18
  It's a bit more interesting with them all, just like not
• 39:21
  attacking. I think it's very nice that they
• 39:24
  do remember the fat licks as well.
• 39:26
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 39:27
  No, I like that. Yeah, because I'm a big fan of
• 39:29
  the Paradigm, obviously, because no one else likes them.
• 39:34
  But they give them a sort of little paint job here, don't
• 39:36
  they? They're like darker red and
• 39:38
  darker colours because of the criticism.
• 39:43
  No, I think again, like the Paradigm.
• 39:45
  Daleks had so much storytelling potential.
• 39:48
  I I think that's the like the timeless child thing, you know,
• 39:51
  it had a lot of potential and. It was realised, yeah, well they
• 39:55
  they just got, they basically got bullied out of doing
• 39:57
  anything with them. But like the Eternal, what the
• 40:02
  hell did the Dalek Eternal do? That's a that's a great story.
• 40:07
  I can imagine you there. How old were you watching
• 40:09
  Victory of the Diets, writing down all their names?
• 40:11
  Yeah, for scrimping out a back story, you.
• 40:13
  Could have You could have a story just with Dalek scientists
• 40:16
  doing things. I think if the design had worked
• 40:21
  for people, I don't think it works for many people, then they
• 40:24
  would have gone down that route. I I think if the design of work
• 40:26
  we would have unlocked a whole like era of brand new Dalek
• 40:30
  stories. And but to Mark Gaseous, who I
• 40:33
  don't think is the most experimental writers but
• 40:35
  actually was trying to push him in a new direction.
• 40:38
  Yeah, OK, so we got Osbourne now.
• 40:43
  So this is the first real shock of the episode.
• 40:49
  And to be honest, I was sat there watching it with my mum
• 40:51
  and for like 10 minutes we're just going back and forth.
• 40:54
  She's going, that's the New Girl.
• 40:56
  And I'm like it. It can't be.
• 40:59
  You were sitting here watching this with your mum of China
• 41:01
  Jenna, Common looking fat. Smoking hot?
• 41:04
  You must have had a phone run for a quick pillow, but yeah,
• 41:09
  like I. Don't think she's never looked
• 41:10
  more gorgeous than. This.
• 41:12
  No. Oh, she gets close in, like when
• 41:15
  she goes for the date. And listen, she looks absolutely
• 41:17
  beautiful, you know? What this proves, it proves that
• 41:20
  Doctor Who fans actually can keep their fucking mouth shut.
• 41:22
  Because this was revealed in a screening and nobody said
• 41:26
  anything. Yeah, but it is such a good
• 41:29
  shock, isn't it? Like, it's not even the pre
• 41:32
  credits you think you're about to go into The Dalek story.
• 41:34
  It don't happen very often. That sort of passing of the
• 41:37
  torch does it, where you have the newbie and the old
• 41:40
  companions. Yeah, it's sort of in the same
• 41:44
  story and so weird that the sequence later where Rory and
• 41:47
  Clara are talking and I'm sorry, Oswin, and I'm like, this just
• 41:50
  feels so strange. It's two ears.
• 41:52
  Talking. Yeah, and I know I say like,
• 41:55
  Amy's my favorite companion stuff.
• 41:57
  I remember watching this, and by the end of it, I just wanted Amy
• 42:00
  to leave because Oswin was so good.
• 42:03
  She was so compelling, Sexy. For me.
• 42:05
  The end of Series 9. I just wanted Clara to leave.
• 42:10
  But like, yeah, I was just she just seemed so fresh.
• 42:14
  You you're right when you said in Impossible Astronaut is he's
• 42:18
  just hiring the sexiest women. I think so.
• 42:21
  I do think so. And give her the smartest you
• 42:25
  know, wittiest things to say. Yeah, I mean, yeah, So that was
• 42:31
  the first big surprise after we'd sort of gone, OK, actually
• 42:35
  it is. It is her.
• 42:36
  And then later on, obviously we get this surprise that she's a
• 42:40
  Dalek, which I'll talk about later on, But that was fuck,
• 42:43
  that blew me away. That did.
• 42:45
  And then the third surprise is that she explains and you just
• 42:49
  left the kid. Fuck it out.
• 42:53
  I I remember watching this the first time and I was so psyched
• 42:56
  because of the Doctor Who cover for the Asylum and the Daleks,
• 43:00
  and when I watched the episode, I was so disappointed with that
• 43:03
  part of this, but so riveted by the Jenna Coleman part of this,
• 43:09
  it's absolutely saved it for me. And especially that bit of the
• 43:12
  end where he comes in and she's the Dalek.
• 43:14
  I was just like, that blew me away.
• 43:16
  Yeah, it blew me. Did did you guess at all?
• 43:18
  No, not at all. Yeah, there's so many visual I
• 43:21
  was watching. I'm going.
• 43:22
  She's literally looking for a Dalek ice stall throughout.
• 43:25
  The whole thing, Yeah. And you know, something's up.
• 43:29
  I know absolutely adore the whole mystery about the sea
• 43:33
  flight. Where does she get the milk and
• 43:35
  eggs? Because you might not like this,
• 43:37
  But watching it the first time, watching it every time and the
• 43:40
  first time though, I was like, I couldn't stop thinking about it
• 43:44
  and like. That I think that's a really
• 43:45
  clever way of of suggesting that she isn't what she says.
• 43:50
  I hate the lined extra one minute.
• 43:55
  Oh God. You're getting desperate with
• 43:56
  that word. It's all right.
• 43:58
  It's all right. I do like this where he goes,
• 44:01
  what, you're going to push me down that hole on the?
• 44:04
  Planet. That's sort of your MO.
• 44:09
  But yeah, like I was thinking, you know, you're watching all
• 44:12
  this with Daleks and bangs, I think.
• 44:14
  And I all kept thinking about was where does she get the milk
• 44:16
  and eggs? Because they say it a few times
• 44:19
  to the point where it corrupted my mind a little bit.
• 44:22
  Because when in the witch's familiar, when the doctor pulls
• 44:26
  out that cup of tea and he's like, where did I get the tea?
• 44:29
  And the doctor just accepted, I was waiting for the payoff in
• 44:31
  that. And I was like, well, we still
• 44:36
  don't. Find that way.
• 44:37
  We've already established by the end of the season that's that
• 44:39
  done way, but we aren't dealing with anything.
• 44:41
  Anymore. I'm still waiting to know where
• 44:43
  you got that cup of tea from. Do you remember we watched The
• 44:47
  Rings of Akuten and, you know, we said about how pissed poor
• 44:50
  that audience was to listening to that little girl singing?
• 44:53
  You can see that same robot about 15 times in the audience.
• 44:56
  Yeah, I think this is a better version of that.
• 44:58
  You know, with all these Daleks, sort of.
• 45:00
  Well, you can't tell, can't you? That's why, Because it's all the
• 45:04
  same. It is stunning.
• 45:09
  Now look at look at that. You know, visually it is.
• 45:12
  And it, you know, the the Osman thing is you.
• 45:15
  You all right, you took into the surprise of it being Jenna
• 45:18
  Coleman, but the mystery itself, you don't have enough time to
• 45:22
  figure it out because there's so much going on the surprise if it
• 45:25
  happened. So it does work on that first
• 45:27
  watch, and it has that beautiful thing of just being a really,
• 45:31
  really simple twist that you didn't see well.
• 45:34
  I think, I think there's sort of two layers of, I don't know what
• 45:38
  to call it really, you know, Moffett's ability of making you
• 45:41
  think you're watching one thing and then you're watching
• 45:44
  something completely different. But that is making you look in
• 45:48
  that direction where really you should be looking over there at
• 45:51
  the. But that's it.
• 45:52
  The misdirection is the story about the asylum of the Daleks,
• 45:56
  which everyone wants more from. But actually, this is the story
• 46:00
  of Oswald. Isn't it?
• 46:01
  But I think one of those cheats works because the the basic that
• 46:04
  all the publicity for this episode is, is the asylum of the
• 46:08
  dialects, every dialect ever in Doctor Who.
• 46:11
  Yeah, that's that's what he's trying to make you look at.
• 46:13
  Yeah, I mean, expecting. And actually with that plot, all
• 46:18
  you get is just a load of zombies and that's pretty
• 46:21
  dreary, I think quite boring. But then underneath that you've
• 46:25
  got this, and that's what this is genuinely in terms of the
• 46:29
  season, what this is all about. Yeah, And it's, you know, it's
• 46:33
  it's mainly about Amy and Roy's relationship and the mystery of
• 46:37
  Clara, but it's just hidden in this big asylum.
• 46:41
  But I think, I think it's, it is really fun.
• 46:45
  Like I know you said it'd be good to see them just explore
• 46:48
  and figure it out. But then just getting chucked at
• 46:51
  a planet and go and explode it, it's it's quite good.
• 46:56
  It's the Great Escape backwards, isn't it?
• 46:58
  You got to remember, I'm just a low fuddy Duddy.
• 47:00
  Doctor Who fan from the 70s. It's it's all, I mean like yeah,
• 47:05
  most Muffet things it's trying to do something new.
• 47:08
  I think it really, really works. It's a proper action.
• 47:13
  Flies by 50 minutes. I I think that this is one of
• 47:17
  those episodes that in a series that was sort of plugged as
• 47:21
  Hollywood blockbuster of the week, that feels like a
• 47:25
  Hollywood blockbuster. Yeah, this is one of the few, to
• 47:29
  be fair, that does. And weird, the thing that gives
• 47:32
  it the scale, it's not this Parliament because like you
• 47:34
  know, we've seen CGI before. It's that fabulous, snowy
• 47:38
  landscape when they land on the planet.
• 47:40
  Yeah, they filmed that in Spain, didn't they?
• 47:42
  They filmed it back-to-back with a town called Mercy, apparently.
• 47:45
  Like it was really hot there. And then round the corner
• 47:48
  there's just this snowy landscape.
• 47:52
  But it's. Supposed to be snowy then?
• 47:55
  I think so, yeah. I think it is meant to be.
• 47:58
  OK, oh, I thought this was lame. It is known that the Doctor
• 48:02
  needs companions. That's the only reason they pick
• 48:05
  them up. What's wrong with that?
• 48:09
  How thoughtful of you, darling. I'd rather just not have the
• 48:16
  explanation. I know they probably debated
• 48:18
  that. Shall we pick up the companions?
• 48:22
  Let's take a vote. When I was younger, I really
• 48:26
  like this. Then fall into the planet down
• 48:28
  this tube. I probably would hate it though.
• 48:34
  I don't know, it's just a bit it's it's that too silly, isn't
• 48:37
  it? That full so it reminds.
• 48:38
  Me of that fabulous. Bit in forest from the dead when
• 48:41
  he jumps into the light. Beam.
• 48:42
  With the Sonic screwdriver. Amazing.
• 48:44
  Yeah. Oh, yes.
• 48:47
  You know, you and I, we're gonna have to do another Rusty Davis
• 48:49
  story. You know, now I've seen your
• 48:52
  list. I know the ones that you really
• 48:53
  like. So pick.
• 48:55
  Pick one or the other one. Pick the doctor's daughter.
• 48:57
  Good. Excuse me?
• 49:02
  Free Rogerman had the zenith of her career when.
• 49:04
  She was coming. To that water I went no.
• 49:10
  Another like really sort of blunt criticism I always say is
• 49:14
  that this would have been better with Ciderman.
• 49:17
  So what do you think about that like?
• 49:19
  I came I did have some thoughts about this, because I do find
• 49:24
  the idea that the dialects are converting humans.
• 49:26
  That is kind of the sideman's MO.
• 49:29
  Yeah. And dialects are supposed to be
• 49:32
  about racial purity, and so we're sort of discard discarding
• 49:36
  sort of the initial idea of the dialects to make this work in
• 49:40
  this story. It's been done before, though,
• 49:42
  in like revelation of the dialects we've got.
• 49:44
  And in. Yeah, by the way, so it's not
• 49:48
  unprecedented, I think. But no, I I like what they're
• 49:54
  converting humours into Daleks. It works fine.
• 49:57
  You got a season opener? Asylum of the Daleks is more of
• 50:01
  a grab than Asylum of the Cybermen, I think.
• 50:03
  Yeah, what you could just do with Asylum of the Cybermen have
• 50:07
  the Mondassian Cybermen. And then the Moon based
• 50:10
  Cybermen. The Revenge of the Cybermen.
• 50:11
  Cybermen. Yeah, they're already like, I
• 50:15
  don't, yeah, I just don't know what you can particularly do
• 50:17
  with it. You'd just be running from room
• 50:19
  to room away from insane people. Plus you couldn't make the sou
• 50:23
  you know the souffle thing with delete, can you?
• 50:26
  You need exterminate. You do need the eggs.
• 50:29
  You know when you said they don't let you forget about that?
• 50:31
  There is a really clever prompt, isn't there, When Rory wakes up
• 50:35
  in the asylum and that one's just going eggs, Eggs.
• 50:43
  Oh dear, Oh dear. Yeah, I like like.
• 50:48
  I can completely see, Oh no, did you see that?
• 50:53
  He shot that there and it was all this lovely snowy Vista, but
• 50:57
  unfortunately just at the top of the shot there was a load of
• 50:59
  bushes, snow on them. Yeah, that says the gunslingers
• 51:07
  are out the corner that time. It's hard to think you can have
• 51:11
  these various climb, we're going down another hole and somebody
• 51:15
  with some experience in that. And there's eggs down the hole.
• 51:18
  Oh my God, you ever had any experience of this look glue?
• 51:24
  Glue ectoplasm on. The phone I've never had glowing
• 51:27
  green glue. OK, so do you understand people
• 51:36
  objecting when we were promised every single Dalek, The fact
• 51:40
  that most of the classic series Daleks are in the shadows,
• 51:44
  covered in crud and barely visible?
• 51:47
  Yeah, and again, it's the sort of thing that don't promise
• 51:52
  Doctor Who fans every time again, but if it's if it's not
• 51:55
  going to do that because you know, a normal person watching
• 51:58
  this wouldn't give a shit. But yeah, it was it was so big,
• 52:02
  wasn't it? It was on the front of Doctor
• 52:04
  Who Magazine every Dalek ever and I think they they try and
• 52:07
  make up for it in the which is familiar.
• 52:09
  Oh. For sure.
• 52:09
  That's why they're everywhere and you've got the special
• 52:12
  weapon. Do you know what that?
• 52:13
  Annoys me as well because it all looks so clean and there's no
• 52:18
  atmosphere to it. So you've got all these weird
• 52:20
  looking Daleks in these very sort of 1960s pristine sets.
• 52:26
  I'm like. And it also it makes sense here
• 52:29
  because it's like there are meant to be from different
• 52:32
  points in times and got insane, whereas on Skyro why they will
• 52:36
  be of different cases I'm not really too sure.
• 52:39
  I do think they missed the trick, you know though.
• 52:41
  But you could have done some bash It crazy with, you know,
• 52:44
  insane Daleks. I know, I know, there's there is
• 52:47
  more potential. I wish you know that that.
• 52:49
  Fabulous spirit with the ice storm coming out of the snow.
• 52:52
  Yeah, I just wanted that to be a Dalek.
• 52:54
  You know, that was sort of going wee.
• 52:55
  You. Know I stalk out.
• 52:58
  I think the first time I watched it may be the only sort of.
• 53:02
  The grumble I had was I wish the insane Daleks hadn't all been
• 53:06
  asleep, like if it had been them all awake.
• 53:11
  And he just works, wakes up one of them and goes exterminate.
• 53:14
  Well, they all do that normally anyway.
• 53:16
  Yeah, although the scene with the ballerinas is really good
• 53:20
  when she starts going a bit mental.
• 53:23
  I do, though. I know, I know.
• 53:25
  Years ago, I can see another version of this story with the
• 53:29
  TARDIS landing in the snow, them discovering this spaceship and
• 53:33
  the corpses inside and all of that without any of the sort of
• 53:36
  exposition beforehand. It's all just a bit less fun,
• 53:39
  though. Yeah, less fun, but it's more
• 53:41
  creepy. Yeah, no, I think that you are
• 53:45
  talking like a classic FC fan. I totally AM.
• 53:48
  You want you want the Season 13 Court of Asylum, The Darlings.
• 53:53
  Yeah, do you know what, though? Weirdly enough, all my gestures
• 53:56
  go out the window because then I watch The Flux, which plays in
• 53:59
  very similar ways. And yeah, it's weird.
• 54:03
  Yeah, I'm a hypocrite. We all are.
• 54:06
  We all are. That's the one thing we're
• 54:08
  learning and during these commercial.
• 54:10
  Podcasts. I do think there's great
• 54:12
  atmosphere in these sequences though, with these corpses.
• 54:15
  Yeah, the idea of the nano cloud thing is it is interesting as
• 54:19
  well. They're like you literally can't
• 54:21
  land on the planet without being turned into a Dalek or a Dalek
• 54:24
  Knob head. So you call it a knob head.
• 54:30
  So it's what happened is this planet, this spaceship, Alaska,
• 54:34
  landed on the planet, and then they took Clara out and wired
• 54:38
  her into the Dalek. Yeah, she was.
• 54:39
  Yeah, because they wanted to use her brain.
• 54:41
  What was her rank? Junior Entertainments Manager or
• 54:47
  something like that. Entertainments Manager.
• 54:49
  Yeah, something like that is it? No, she's belly dancing for the
• 54:53
  crew or something like that. Well, making sea flows.
• 54:58
  Oh yeah, she's very good. The sea flay isn't the sea flay.
• 55:00
  The sea flay is the recipe. The tile of the diox wouldn't be
• 55:05
  Asylum of the Diox without souffle.
• 55:07
  It just would be Asylum of the Daleks.
• 55:12
  What's the Karen here? So I think the little Dalek
• 55:16
  zombies have just stolen Amy's watch that the protector from
• 55:22
  the nano cloud that turns people into Daleks, which becomes very
• 55:25
  important in the divorce plot in about 10 minutes time.
• 55:28
  Yeah. Now you tell me now what you
• 55:30
  were telling me about this Sort of how clever it is that the
• 55:32
  Doctor sort of figuring it out as he goes along, what's going
• 55:35
  on between Amy and Rory and then fixes it all?
• 55:37
  Yeah. Discuss that.
• 55:38
  I think it's really clever because a broken marriage, it
• 55:43
  isn't the sort of problem that the doctor should ever be able
• 55:46
  to solve, but he manages to do it in a very muffety clever way
• 55:53
  because she says, I think around here you can't just fix a
• 55:56
  marriage that you can fix a bow tie.
• 55:58
  And it's a really small detail, but then he basically makes them
• 56:03
  argue and communicate, which is what they've been lacking and
• 56:07
  realise that there isn't a problem which gets them back
• 56:08
  together. And then, yeah, you just get
• 56:10
  that one cut of the doctor fixing his bow tie and it is so
• 56:14
  good because he's not even had to, he's not had to even have a
• 56:18
  speech or anything. It's just a little he's just
• 56:22
  doing it on the side whilst fighting the Daleks, it's
• 56:25
  actually. Two, there's two references to
• 56:27
  the bow tie before the beer the end.
• 56:29
  She also mentions his bow tie. She goes, oh he's he's realised
• 56:33
  that there's something wrong with us as well whilst he's
• 56:35
  talking to the parliament and he does so with his bow tie there
• 56:39
  as well. Yeah, Yes, he does.
• 56:41
  It's in every time. It's sort of in reference to
• 56:43
  their relationship. Yeah, that's.
• 56:46
  The sort of detail he gets spot on.
• 56:50
  Yeah. And it's it's subtle.
• 56:52
  It's like, I don't think I've, I've noticed it first time
• 56:54
  around, but then when I've watched it again and seen it,
• 56:57
  I've got, Oh my God, it's even better than I thought.
• 57:02
  God, you see those black and white salt?
• 57:03
  As you know, classic Doctor Who fans who love black and white.
• 57:06
  Look at them on that screen. They look fucking ghoulish.
• 57:09
  They just throwing off the Rolex.
• 57:15
  Yeah, I think it it it sometimes feels like because the Daleks
• 57:18
  are all like asleep, that there isn't much action in this.
• 57:21
  But we do get the whole Rory sliding under the door.
• 57:24
  We do get the Doctor doing the self destruct thing with it.
• 57:28
  We do get the ballerinas and him saving it from and saving Amy
• 57:31
  from it. So there's enough like set
• 57:33
  pieces of action. It's just it's just you don't
• 57:37
  get that promise of an insane Dalek do you?
• 57:40
  Don't get Dalek going fucking mental like bat shit
• 57:45
  schizophrenia. The the fact that you can't see
• 57:49
  those other Daleks is my only objection, because I love the
• 57:52
  water dripping down and the shadows.
• 57:56
  And you know, there's a thing I was complaining about in Series
• 57:58
  6. It's all a bit too dark, but
• 58:00
  actually you've got the contrast of the dark and the light and
• 58:02
  there's the snow outside and the parliament, which is very well
• 58:06
  lit. It's probably the water and the
• 58:09
  dust and everything, which is why the the classic ones are
• 58:12
  just hidden away because it'll have been like collectors and
• 58:14
  stuff that contributed. I just.
• 58:17
  I don't know. I feel as if the director maybe
• 58:19
  didn't get the memo that they were supposed to be sort of
• 58:21
  prominent. Or just.
• 58:23
  Maybe. Maybe Moffett didn't have faith
• 58:26
  in those old designs. Probably sounds more likely.
• 58:30
  He was very, very hesitant about Mondassium.
• 58:32
  Wasn't he for for years? Brilliant.
• 58:34
  They look at the rest they've ever looked in the new series.
• 58:37
  You can see why you'd be hesitant about them.
• 58:39
  But yeah, I mean that bit in well enough in time with the
• 58:43
  sidemen, like sat around saying pain, pain, pain.
• 58:47
  That almost is the sign of the Cybermen.
• 58:49
  Really. That's as creepy.
• 58:52
  As you can as well. You are.
• 58:54
  And Genesis of the Sidemen as well.
• 58:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's ticking a lot of boxes and
• 59:00
  the 2 masters too. Oh, that is great.
• 59:03
  It was great to have them all. Of our geeky families.
• 59:07
  This bit's great again. It would just subtly, gradually
• 59:11
  have been turning roaring to an action hero.
• 59:13
  Oh. Nice cut over the series. 70 is
• 59:15
  the best. Acting wise and both character
• 59:19
  wise, he just gets better and better.
• 59:21
  I think he was. A little bit awkward about him
• 59:22
  in those first couple of episodes he did, wasn't he?
• 59:24
  Yeah, 11. Fowler and Vampires of Venice.
• 59:28
  When he's on equal footing with Amy, he's almost better than
• 59:32
  Amy. But when he's that like, yeah,
• 59:34
  nervous guy in Series 5, Amy's superior for me for.
• 59:38
  The one I love his scenes with his dad in the next episode.
• 59:43
  You know, I love Amy. She's so smart and dinosaurs on
• 59:46
  the shape. She's figuring out there's a
• 59:48
  saloon ship and all the. I just think they're
• 59:50
  characterized so well in this house and it's not, not for me
• 59:54
  to usually say that sort of thing.
• 59:56
  No, yeah. That Oswin is again, I think
• 1:00:03
  because she's having such a good time, like she's cooking, she's
• 1:00:06
  flirting, she's cracking jokes again, You don't ever think that
• 1:00:09
  anything bad's happened to it. Why is it then, that she doesn't
• 1:00:11
  know she's a dialect? That she thinks she's still a
• 1:00:13
  person. I think because is it she's gone
• 1:00:17
  so insane that she's just imagined this, like this happy
• 1:00:22
  life. She's so insane.
• 1:00:24
  She's a manic Laura, I understand.
• 1:00:30
  Although do you know what? Can I just throw in another one
• 1:00:32
  of my sort of long term objections that both Oswin and
• 1:00:36
  the governess are infinitely more likeable and compelling
• 1:00:41
  than dreary Al Clara that we get from?
• 1:00:44
  The Saint John. I think that's pretty universal,
• 1:00:47
  isn't it? I I also agree.
• 1:00:49
  People agree with. That, yeah, I think the
• 1:00:51
  governess one is the one I. Would love that Governess 2 have
• 1:00:55
  been enough. To ask you, yeah.
• 1:01:01
  You've been great. Yeah, they're perfect.
• 1:01:04
  And and it it's really annoying because the snowman as it is, is
• 1:01:09
  a really good episode and her dying twice is a really good
• 1:01:12
  mystery and wait to end. But fuck me, yeah, we could have
• 1:01:15
  just had that one. You do have to ask twice, but
• 1:01:19
  it's still yes. No, because wasn't she wasn't.
• 1:01:25
  It wasn't her name, Beryl. She was written into some of the
• 1:01:27
  scripts in 7th Day. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:29
  And then they've changed it. But because this one's great,
• 1:01:34
  but I don't know how far you could take this one.
• 1:01:36
  She's a flirty, sexy thing and I just think after a couple of
• 1:01:40
  episodes you might get a bit great.
• 1:01:42
  And where is the Victorian one? Just had a great character and
• 1:01:46
  really and her and Matt Smith were just brilliant together.
• 1:01:50
  When she went up that ladder into the clouds, you know, Yeah,
• 1:01:54
  she could never take no for an answer.
• 1:01:56
  And she whips him out of his. Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  And they're they're both sparking off each other with
• 1:02:00
  cleverness. And it's brilliant.
• 1:02:03
  I I I think Matt Smith and Coleman had some moments after
• 1:02:08
  that. I just didn't fire me up in the
• 1:02:12
  same way. Yeah, I do.
• 1:02:14
  I I do really like them together.
• 1:02:16
  It's more like, oh, you're so kooky, oh, you're so funny,
• 1:02:21
  rather than like a deep character thing where you you
• 1:02:24
  suddenly get Capaldi and it's like, do you think that
• 1:02:26
  portraying me means that this is so different?
• 1:02:31
  We get really, really deep. But I mean, I think Clara's best
• 1:02:35
  running series I I think. Yeah, I I do agree.
• 1:02:38
  I think she's better. Getting your bloody TARDIS and
• 1:02:41
  you go away. I love that bit so.
• 1:02:43
  Much. I'll smack you so hard you would
• 1:02:46
  generate I. Mean when I was watching this
• 1:02:48
  guy scan on. Yeah, I love this ballerina.
• 1:02:51
  Is in slow motion. We were saying like, yeah, we
• 1:02:54
  haven't got that insane Dalek, but we have got the fact.
• 1:02:58
  But the the insanity of the situation's coming across with
• 1:03:01
  this ballerina sequence. The potential of the idea of
• 1:03:07
  insane Daleks is just so strong. But what can you do with them
• 1:03:13
  apart from just the scream? Exterminate and they go a bit
• 1:03:16
  crazy. Like they've gone so mad that
• 1:03:19
  they're all good and they're playing little kiddie games.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah. They're playing train trains.
• 1:03:29
  I could just see one in the back there look the blue and white,
• 1:03:32
  blue and white spike spotted Dalek from the sort of the early
• 1:03:37
  years. Yeah, there's.
• 1:03:39
  About. There's a scene when he's run
• 1:03:41
  out of the asylum and it's split second, There's an explosion,
• 1:03:45
  split second. You'll see the one from
• 1:03:47
  Resurrection of the Daleks there that that's a bit later on.
• 1:03:51
  It's not enough though, is it? That's not enough to wank over,
• 1:03:53
  is it? No, not not for reals.
• 1:03:56
  We need more. No, they're constantly trying to
• 1:03:59
  go for scale in this thing. Like we were pushed down a
• 1:04:03
  massive tunnel to the planet, then we were pushed down a
• 1:04:06
  massive hole centre of the planet.
• 1:04:09
  They just look back like, honestly, it's scale all the way
• 1:04:12
  in this episode. Yeah, it's a it's an adventure
• 1:04:15
  action blockbuster, isn't it? It's Doctor Who.
• 1:04:19
  Daleks die hard. The my contradiction within this
• 1:04:25
  episode is I really dislike the Amy Rory stuff, but I love the
• 1:04:30
  scene where they start talking. I think it's beautifully played
• 1:04:34
  and really well written. The thing is if if they just
• 1:04:39
  fallen out at the beginning and then had that.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah, I think that's my issue. People wouldn't have an issue.
• 1:04:45
  I just want to see the dramatic act of why this occurred.
• 1:04:49
  But then that's not as strong, is it?
• 1:04:52
  Oh, Amy And Rory fell out. It's not that strong as a
• 1:04:55
  storytelling point compared to Amy.
• 1:04:57
  Rory getting divorced? It would be very.
• 1:05:00
  Strange to start a season with a pair of them talking about not
• 1:05:03
  being able to have children. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:06
  I think it's justified. It's a justifiable reason.
• 1:05:09
  And it makes again, it's sort of putting to bed this thing that
• 1:05:14
  Amy doesn't really like Rory. It's putting it to bed.
• 1:05:17
  By saying Amy wants to give Rory up because she loves him so
• 1:05:21
  much, I mean. How long should I buy that?
• 1:05:25
  I don't give you children, so I'm going to push you away
• 1:05:28
  instead of just having a mature conversation.
• 1:05:33
  I'm going to put you through emotional hell to avoid putting
• 1:05:36
  you through emotional hell, all right?
• 1:05:39
  I I think I do sort of buy it. Did you see all that?
• 1:05:42
  Those gunky Daleks, then? Yeah, that was the same wasn't
• 1:05:45
  it? That was I think.
• 1:05:47
  I think that's great when he when he activates the self
• 1:05:49
  destruct and then puts it on reverse, blows them all up.
• 1:05:52
  I can now studying Jenna Coleman there for a second as well.
• 1:05:55
  She's sort of lounging in her chair, in her red cocktail
• 1:05:57
  dress, with her hair sort of running across her face.
• 1:06:00
  Now you asked me a question in the possible astronaut.
• 1:06:02
  Do I think Karen Gillan is the sexiest Doctor Who girl?
• 1:06:06
  I'm not convinced anymore. I think it might be Jenna
• 1:06:08
  Coleman that. Wasn't me.
• 1:06:09
  That was Dylan, OK? Honestly, you straight men
• 1:06:13
  coming on there, I think I might be on the turn, you know?
• 1:06:16
  You know these gorgeous women? I mean, she looks absolutely
• 1:06:20
  stunning here. It's one of the times when she
• 1:06:23
  looks really. Every time they put her in red,
• 1:06:26
  remember her in Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS.
• 1:06:28
  Oh yeah, amazing. Gorgeous.
• 1:06:32
  But she has that run at the beginning of Series 8, where she
• 1:06:34
  looks fantastic. I'm.
• 1:06:37
  Not sure she ever. Looks No, no, no, we're we're
• 1:06:40
  saying it like she's got some dog sort.
• 1:06:42
  Of levels of sexiness. She's almost pretty high, you
• 1:06:45
  know. Sometimes she's just breaking
• 1:06:47
  the scale. Yeah, I suppose if you if you're
• 1:06:52
  putting Amy and Clara against each other, suppose Clara
• 1:06:55
  doesn't have to wear really short skirts to elevate her
• 1:06:58
  sexiness. Maybe.
• 1:07:01
  Maybe. Now, when Claire was wearing
• 1:07:03
  that suit in time high, she looks really hot.
• 1:07:07
  I think. I think with Clara.
• 1:07:09
  I just wish I'd seen more of a vulnerable side to her in a run
• 1:07:13
  than I did. Yeah, I think it just wasn't the
• 1:07:17
  time, was it? Almost the 50th sabotaged it
• 1:07:20
  because we just need a companion that would just roll with it,
• 1:07:24
  especially for these blockbuster episodes.
• 1:07:26
  And so you didn't have the time to develop that side of it,
• 1:07:29
  which are why is why she goes into becoming the Doctor more, I
• 1:07:32
  think. And it wasn't Euna said to me
• 1:07:35
  that somebody posed the theory that between Series 7 and Series
• 1:07:40
  8, we're just watching a different splinter of class.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, yeah. That's a great idea.
• 1:07:45
  Yeah, I totally buy that. Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Because if it's the same one, then again a load of off screen
• 1:07:50
  development that we're not Privy to.
• 1:07:52
  When he pulls throughout the time stream, he's she's just
• 1:07:55
  just a different side, which maybe explains why her dad looks
• 1:07:58
  different he'd. Be more brave.
• 1:07:59
  You know, they've done a whole season where there's a different
• 1:08:01
  splinter every week. Well, it it did feel like that
• 1:08:05
  could. I can't remember.
• 1:08:07
  For some reason I I remember the time thinking that series 7B
• 1:08:10
  might all be set in Victorian England and like it'd be part
• 1:08:14
  and also. Been like the Crimson Horror by
• 1:08:16
  the 1st. Yeah, but like 8 episodes of the
• 1:08:19
  Crimson Horror. As long as we can have Diana Rig
• 1:08:23
  and Rachel Sterling in them all. Yes.
• 1:08:27
  Oh, is he figuring it all out now?
• 1:08:28
  Is this where he figures it all out about?
• 1:08:31
  I don't think he he figures it out properly until he's there.
• 1:08:35
  I even like the fact he didn't use the name Clara.
• 1:08:38
  He used Oswin just to confuse us even more.
• 1:08:40
  So we're like, what is this? A mother?
• 1:08:42
  A sister? What's going on?
• 1:08:43
  Yeah, yeah and. And then, because he never sees
• 1:08:47
  her, he doesn't recognize her in the snowman until she says the
• 1:08:51
  middle name, which was also That's neat.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah, but then we get those bizarre pervy scenes in The
• 1:08:59
  Rings of Akutem where he goes back and starts looking.
• 1:09:01
  At the kids there's nothing, so. It feels very.
• 1:09:05
  Strange, the way he's watching. Her playing on the springs.
• 1:09:13
  Have they talked yet? I'm, I'm.
• 1:09:16
  I'm lost. No, it's when he leaves the room
• 1:09:19
  now. So I mean in that shot then you
• 1:09:24
  can literally see the watch on Amy's arm.
• 1:09:29
  It's already on there, but he's saying that she's going to be
• 1:09:33
  converted. Now.
• 1:09:33
  This intensive care bit of the Daleks isn't again, doesn't work
• 1:09:38
  for similar reasons as the two gripes we've had.
• 1:09:40
  One, it's like these are Daleks from Spiridon and all the other
• 1:09:45
  places, but they're just bronze Daleks.
• 1:09:48
  That doesn't work. And also, if they're in
• 1:09:50
  intensive care they should be elevated in insanity.
• 1:09:53
  But they're just the same. They should have had those
• 1:09:56
  invisible dialects from Spirit on.
• 1:09:58
  You know, the one at the end of it.
• 1:10:00
  Well, you watched that recently, didn't you?
• 1:10:03
  Yeah, fairly good. Must sit for all the time
• 1:10:04
  though. So there he is.
• 1:10:05
  Look, he's there on the screen. I know the the whole, the whole
• 1:10:12
  bit of the of this argument is, yeah, about who loves each other
• 1:10:16
  more and what that exactly means.
• 1:10:19
  You are on Rory's side because you've always thought Rory does
• 1:10:22
  love Amy more. But if Amy would give him up so
• 1:10:25
  that he could potentially have a family that is almost a deeper
• 1:10:29
  form of love. Again, it just solidifies.
• 1:10:31
  There was a great couple. I I often question whether
• 1:10:36
  Moffett gets the ending so his story is right or satisfying the
• 1:10:40
  ending of the angels take my hand.
• 1:10:42
  I know I said this the other day where she says together or not
• 1:10:45
  at all and she chooses Roy. I just think it's perfect.
• 1:10:48
  It's the perfect end to the same.
• 1:10:50
  Regardless of like the whole New York can't go back thing.
• 1:10:55
  Well, no. And then she chooses him again
• 1:10:57
  when he gets taken back and she's like, you know, with with
• 1:11:00
  River's permission and the Doctor, you know, obviously
• 1:11:02
  bawling his eyes out. Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  And I think that is the best way for it to run because you have,
• 1:11:08
  you know, it's always been that thing does.
• 1:11:10
  Would she ever choose Rory over the Doctor?
• 1:11:12
  And then you finally get. Yeah, and that's her fully grown
• 1:11:15
  up. Then from when we knew as a
• 1:11:16
  little girl, so that. And then what does the Doctor
• 1:11:18
  do? He goes back to her being a
• 1:11:20
  little girl because that's who he always was, the imaginary
• 1:11:24
  friend. And this is like her actual
• 1:11:27
  adult life now. This beautiful look at this.
• 1:11:31
  Look at how raw this is between the two of.
• 1:11:33
  Them I've performed brilliantly. They are great together.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, they really are. I think when it first started,
• 1:11:40
  you're like, oh, Amy wouldn't go for Rory.
• 1:11:43
  But like by now, by this point, you know he's.
• 1:11:45
  Been developed to a point where. Yeah, they're both really suited
• 1:11:48
  towards each other and now you get the shell off and fixing his
• 1:11:51
  bow tie and it's just so good. It's so clever.
• 1:11:59
  God, I don't even want to say someone's too good for a show,
• 1:12:03
  but Doctor Who is like, essentially like a bit of
• 1:12:05
  ephemera she is. Almost too good of an actress.
• 1:12:08
  To. Be a companion in Doctor Who
• 1:12:12
  but. We were lucky to have we.
• 1:12:13
  Were we've had a lot of look. You hear an interview.
• 1:12:16
  She's quirky as fuck, like she lost us a right simpleton in
• 1:12:20
  interviews and yet she plays this sassy bitch, you know?
• 1:12:25
  Really well. You see how she's got out in
• 1:12:30
  America now? No.
• 1:12:32
  Yes, she's got a house built that looks like a Scottish house
• 1:12:36
  in the middle of bloody Hollywood.
• 1:12:37
  Oh. Wow.
• 1:12:38
  Well, you know, she's out in a big box now, Guardian as the
• 1:12:41
  Galaxy. Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:12:43
  She deserves it. Is she at the biggest success
• 1:12:48
  story of any actor? Probably because it was she was.
• 1:12:53
  Well, depends if you count Davidson in a way, yeah.
• 1:12:57
  I don't think David Teller's been in movies has made.
• 1:12:59
  David Teller hasn't cracked America, but he's like the
• 1:13:02
  biggest fucking actor in the UK. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:13:06
  Karen Gillan's not really been in the UK.
• 1:13:08
  I think she's had the biggest cinema success.
• 1:13:11
  Probably, well, even ever Morbius.
• 1:13:16
  Mark Smith made some dodgy choices.
• 1:13:18
  When he left. Doctor Who?
• 1:13:20
  It's to the point where you think he must be doing it on
• 1:13:22
  purpose. Then he got the crown, didn't
• 1:13:25
  he? And I think that's where people
• 1:13:27
  really started taking him seriously.
• 1:13:28
  I'm really happy that happened because it yeah, I felt like he
• 1:13:32
  was probably 1 performance away from just throwing in the towel.
• 1:13:37
  It will never get better. What was?
• 1:13:38
  The Terminator one. Yeah, Terminator Genesis.
• 1:13:41
  Think flops. He did.
• 1:13:42
  Pride in Prejudice and Zombies that flops.
• 1:13:44
  The weird thing was when I saw him like even down the gym and
• 1:13:48
  he's really trying to sort of muscle himself up, but he's such
• 1:13:51
  a twink. He's so thin it just didn't look
• 1:13:54
  right. He's.
• 1:13:55
  Really good in last night in Soho, if you've seen that.
• 1:13:59
  He's good in that one. Replaced Christopher Isherwood
• 1:14:01
  and you see him having loads of anal sex.
• 1:14:05
  Incredible bit of telly. Have you seen that one?
• 1:14:09
  No. Cheer it out, it's great.
• 1:14:11
  Oh well. Check out immediately.
• 1:14:14
  His. Performance is brilliant.
• 1:14:15
  That's why he's a good actor. Right.
• 1:14:18
  And so it also makes sense how Chloe's just been able to run
• 1:14:23
  the whole asylum as well. But yeah, it just doesn't give
• 1:14:26
  it away. Somehow we've seen her look for
• 1:14:29
  a Dalekai stuck. We've seen her like, destroy
• 1:14:33
  these Daleks and just help them all the way through.
• 1:14:37
  And you're still thinking, wow, she's just clever.
• 1:14:40
  So when this opens up into a big white room in a second, it
• 1:14:44
  really did. My jaw drops.
• 1:14:47
  I just remember the sort of intercutting with her in all the
• 1:14:50
  wires and just thinking it was the most gruesome thing I'd ever
• 1:14:54
  seen. Like she's oh it's just and The
• 1:14:58
  thing is you did know the IT felt like the episode was
• 1:15:01
  building 2 A twist. Well, it's just.
• 1:15:04
  Most muffins do feel as if they're building Toy I.
• 1:15:06
  Just never guessed it would be there.
• 1:15:08
  Oh, and look, she's all excited. She's packing our stuff.
• 1:15:11
  I'd say good. And yeah, we take the piss out
• 1:15:16
  of him a lot, but Nick Briggs, his performance as the sad Oswin
• 1:15:20
  Dalek in a minute, it's actually really good as well.
• 1:15:23
  So he's. Going I I'm not a Dalek.
• 1:15:24
  I like I'm not you. Know and they're like, why do
• 1:15:26
  they hate you so much? Holiday is ever worth forgetting
• 1:15:32
  that Briggs really pushed the envelope with some of his Dalek
• 1:15:36
  voices in the new series. Yeah, it's only a bit annoying
• 1:15:40
  now because we've had 13 years of it.
• 1:15:43
  Well, you would just. All of those big finishes where
• 1:15:45
  he's chatting away to himself for hours on end.
• 1:15:48
  Yeah, you. We would just like this shot of,
• 1:15:51
  well, the shot of, you know, just Clara's face with the tears
• 1:15:53
  in her eyes. Oh, I think this shot going.
• 1:15:56
  Yeah, the. Room onto the Dalek is great.
• 1:16:01
  He just suddenly realized she's a dog.
• 1:16:03
  Why is it chained up? Because it's mad.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, it's like the most mad one.
• 1:16:09
  The Clara Dalek, of course. I believe it's an insane control
• 1:16:16
  freak. You know, Matt Smith plays this.
• 1:16:23
  And again, This is why it wouldn't.
• 1:16:26
  This wouldn't work if it was the Cyberman, because you go
• 1:16:29
  straight away while she's been converted into a Cyberman.
• 1:16:34
  And that's right. It shows you the bit where the
• 1:16:36
  Dalek captured her, so she's up against the wall there.
• 1:16:38
  Then it shows you the bit where she's wired in.
• 1:16:40
  Yeah, kind of. Visually you get the whole
• 1:16:42
  story, but just in sort of bits and pieces.
• 1:16:45
  And that's why she couldn't ever have the milk and eggs for the
• 1:16:49
  sea fight. It's just.
• 1:16:53
  So quirky that. Yeah, it's brilliant, I.
• 1:16:57
  Mean. Where did he think that up
• 1:16:59
  making? An omelette.
• 1:17:00
  One day. A day.
• 1:17:01
  And oh, you know, it's. Definitely started with X
• 1:17:05
  actually, and then thought what's like a unique thing that
• 1:17:07
  can that if we say this word, you instantly think of this
• 1:17:11
  character because you can't think of the word souffle
• 1:17:13
  without thinking of Clara ever as a Doctor, they found.
• 1:17:16
  Look at that with her. All the wires around her.
• 1:17:19
  I just think that's really ghoulish.
• 1:17:22
  She plays this bit great. When she's like on the edge,
• 1:17:24
  she's turning. X and I really like.
• 1:17:32
  Then suddenly you start examining the room that she's
• 1:17:34
  been in this whole time and going.
• 1:17:37
  There's visual clues everywhere. She's.
• 1:17:40
  Yeah, yeah, crazy. But especially the viewer screen
• 1:17:45
  that she takes out, you know? I mean, yeah, it's so obvious,
• 1:17:52
  but it's just enough misdirection for you not to
• 1:17:54
  notice. Oh, and that's two twists within
• 1:17:57
  one episode, isn't it? The fact that she was in it in
• 1:17:59
  the 1st place and this. Yeah, and then?
• 1:18:02
  Most whose stories can't manage one, you know.
• 1:18:04
  Well, like, yeah, the first one at the time was like my favorite
• 1:18:08
  twist of all time. Until half an hour later when we
• 1:18:11
  got this one and I was like blown away by two of the best
• 1:18:15
  Doctor Who twist of all time being in this episode.
• 1:18:18
  Oh. I'm not sure anything will ever
• 1:18:20
  peak, the macro turning up in gridlock for as a classic Doctor
• 1:18:24
  Who fan. I was going no, no, I'm so
• 1:18:30
  excited. The evolved macro.
• 1:18:33
  Oh, mind you, that first master review as well that got me out
• 1:18:36
  of my seat. Derek Jacoby.
• 1:18:39
  No, no, but. Think of all the history I've
• 1:18:41
  got with the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:42
  I think that one you follow. You knew that the Master was
• 1:18:45
  coming back. You might not have known it was
• 1:18:47
  him. But like, I mean the whole thing
• 1:18:50
  though, that actual sequence is one of the best sequences in
• 1:18:53
  Doctor. The the whole Yana thing is
• 1:18:56
  fucking brilliant. It does that weird thing, you
• 1:19:00
  know, where you go from being super amiable in your face to
• 1:19:02
  being evil as hell in a second. Yeah.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah the John SIM. One in world enough for time
• 1:19:08
  really got me sat there crosses fuck through one of one of a
• 1:19:12
  great a great doctor episode going.
• 1:19:14
  Where's John SIM? He said.
• 1:19:17
  He said he'd be in this and. Then oh, you.
• 1:19:20
  Did it I. Really.
• 1:19:21
  Did. You must have felt like a right
• 1:19:22
  idiot. But I loved being like an idiot.
• 1:19:25
  I loved being that wrong footage.
• 1:19:27
  I got it about two scenes before he was revealed.
• 1:19:31
  I saw a look in his eye on something and I was like, that's
• 1:19:34
  Johnson there, They're doing Anthony, Amy on us.
• 1:19:37
  Just now. It's brilliant.
• 1:19:38
  So Heavenson is a very it's a bit like this where there's so
• 1:19:43
  many clues of what's going on, but you just you just don't ever
• 1:19:49
  think. Like In Heaven said, you don't
• 1:19:51
  ever think the Doctor would die. So you can't put it, put it
• 1:19:55
  together. And this.
• 1:19:55
  I don't think you'd ever think. Well, she's the new companion.
• 1:19:58
  She can't be a Dalek, so you just never think of it.
• 1:20:02
  I'm just thinking my way through the new series now, when twists
• 1:20:04
  actually genuinely hit me, but the Dewan reveal got me out of
• 1:20:09
  my seat as well, no? Well, we'll talk about.
• 1:20:13
  We will. Talk.
• 1:20:14
  About that, I thought his performance beforehand was so
• 1:20:17
  convincing, I've never for once thought he was the master until
• 1:20:20
  that was revealed. I don't like how out of their
• 1:20:24
  field The 11 is. I know that's part of what, it's
• 1:20:27
  part of the charm of why people like it, but it's just like, Oh
• 1:20:31
  yeah, I you said you're a shit runner back in the day, but you
• 1:20:35
  caught that plane pretty quickly.
• 1:20:37
  And then? No, it's like the worst bit is
• 1:20:39
  when she goes oh oh, that's why I chose my name.
• 1:20:44
  She didn't know you? But I just think the acting is
• 1:20:47
  top dollar. Anyway, sorry, we're not talking
• 1:20:50
  about Spy Fall today. So it ends to this idea that the
• 1:20:53
  she's wiped the Dalek's minds off the Doctor and so they don't
• 1:20:58
  know who he is Again, it's like the paradigm stuff.
• 1:21:01
  This would unlock a lot more interesting Dalek stories, but
• 1:21:05
  the next time we see the Daleks, it's just restored.
• 1:21:08
  I know him all again. So what was the fucking point?
• 1:21:11
  I know, I know. He can't.
• 1:21:14
  Stick the landing for some reason.
• 1:21:16
  I don't know why. I I have a theory of my own that
• 1:21:21
  the 50th got in the way of whatever he wanted to do.
• 1:21:25
  So like we end season six with him saying I'm going to step
• 1:21:28
  back into the shadows. And then series seven starts
• 1:21:31
  with him, you know, like wiping himself out of databases
• 1:21:34
  basically, so you can sort of reset the character.
• 1:21:37
  But then I love that little victory thing that Robbie just
• 1:21:40
  said when he's won over. But then because the 50th is
• 1:21:44
  there, because he has to be a big hero in it, the Daleks have
• 1:21:50
  to know who he is for it to work and all that sort of stuff, we
• 1:21:53
  have to just go back to the Doctor being a a God like hero
• 1:21:56
  again. Well, you can't have nobody
• 1:21:58
  knowing him in. The 5th year?
• 1:22:00
  Yeah, exactly. But if it had been like any
• 1:22:04
  other couple of years you could have, I think he could have done
• 1:22:06
  something really interesting with it.
• 1:22:09
  I'll say this for the 50th anniversary year.
• 1:22:12
  He very smartly split the season up this year, so you had two
• 1:22:17
  distinct stories tell being told in A and in B.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:22:23
  Which meant you could have them as mini seasons in their own
• 1:22:25
  right, rather than a long story that just felt as if there's a
• 1:22:29
  massive gap in the middle. Yeah, and he got the he got the
• 1:22:34
  actual 50th story absolutely right.
• 1:22:37
  But he also got the like the whole event, like November 2013,
• 1:22:44
  was just one of the best size spheres.
• 1:22:47
  Up to Hayfan, it really was everyone.
• 1:22:50
  Was just a great. Rules.
• 1:22:51
  And for it, there was that Save the Day trailer.
• 1:22:53
  There was the Docky drama. There was the 5:00-ish Doctors,
• 1:22:57
  which was like, that was the perfect.
• 1:22:58
  They say you just watched the main event and then you and you
• 1:23:01
  have a couple of beers and that was the perfect sit back
• 1:23:05
  5:00-ish Doctors. Oh, everything about is
• 1:23:07
  brilliant. If we get anything that comes
• 1:23:10
  close to the 50th this year, it will be a hell of a time sphere.
• 1:23:14
  It's obviously fun again. I can only imagine how long it
• 1:23:18
  took you to scrub your underwear after that Paul McGann 10 minute
• 1:23:23
  sequence was released. I It was one of those where I I
• 1:23:29
  got onto Twitter and it was like Paul Mcgann's back.
• 1:23:33
  Like it was. I didn't watch the thing.
• 1:23:35
  And then it happened. No, I got a message saying don't
• 1:23:38
  go online, click this link. So a friend saved me from being
• 1:23:44
  spoiled. I was like.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I I, yeah, we acted great to at the time,
• 1:23:51
  but probably not as much because there wasn't.
• 1:23:53
  I hadn't listened to any Big Finish.
• 1:23:55
  I'd watched the TV movie a couple of times.
• 1:23:56
  I loved the fact he was back, but it wouldn't be like if he
• 1:23:59
  came, Like when he came back in the power of the Doctor, I was a
• 1:24:01
  lot more like, holy fuck, he's wearing a costume.
• 1:24:08
  I do. You know what we were talking
• 1:24:09
  about? We mentioned their doctor a
• 1:24:11
  couple of times in a possible Astronaut Day in the moon and
• 1:24:14
  didn't tell. A couple of disparaging things.
• 1:24:16
  I don't know if he's all that keen on that all.
• 1:24:18
  Right, Dylan. Yeah, surely.
• 1:24:21
  I don't know. We might.
• 1:24:22
  We may have to reconvene, you know, for they are the Doctor.
• 1:24:26
  I would love to have one. Voice in there who's not sure.
• 1:24:31
  I mean, I've got a few minor objections about it, but I think
• 1:24:34
  the fact that he managed to pull off the impossible task and
• 1:24:38
  please, about 98% of Doctor Who fandom is a feat that has never
• 1:24:43
  been achieved before or since. No, I think he gets it exactly
• 1:24:47
  right and. Weight of expectation on him as
• 1:24:49
  well, you know. Yeah, I think any short Givens
• 1:24:53
  shortcomings on the series, you would take that for that special
• 1:24:58
  time of the 50th anniversary. I think you'd you'd take a
• 1:25:03
  journey to the sense of the TARDIS or a Cold War.
• 1:25:06
  That was my one bad thing. Was the lead up to that was
• 1:25:08
  those dreary fucking episodes in the series. 7 BI was like, oh,
• 1:25:11
  OK, is this how we're celebrating this?
• 1:25:14
  Or this weird guy who's not an Android and Willow good as the
• 1:25:18
  emperor of the universe. Without it's just so strange
• 1:25:22
  that they set out to make something because the invasion
• 1:25:25
  of time was so disappointed and ended up making something
• 1:25:28
  probably worse than the invasion of Time.
• 1:25:33
  But you're right, though, Got that whole mix of adventure in
• 1:25:35
  space and time, the 5:00-ish Doctors.
• 1:25:39
  Yeah, I think that was sort of our peak.
• 1:25:41
  It was after that we started sliding down the bank a little
• 1:25:44
  bit. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:25:47
  Know what the overall rating was for that similar cast around the
• 1:25:50
  world. But I don't think any Doctor
• 1:25:52
  Who's had as much viewing figures as they had the Doctor.
• 1:25:55
  Probably. Almost definitely not, Wasn't
• 1:25:57
  it? It was.
• 1:25:57
  It was around like 95 countries. It was similar casting.
• 1:26:01
  I don't know what the ratings were, but yeah.
• 1:26:04
  And am I right in saying it is one of three occasions where
• 1:26:09
  that Doctor Who was #1 most watched programme of the week?
• 1:26:12
  Was it? I know, I know.
• 1:26:14
  Journey's End was. And I can understand why.
• 1:26:17
  I'm not sure the woman who Felt to Earth was as well you know,
• 1:26:22
  that week. I think it was huge, wasn't it?
• 1:26:23
  It was over 10 million. The woman who felt to earth.
• 1:26:26
  More than that, I think. I think it was 12 or something
• 1:26:28
  like that. That's over 10.
• 1:26:35
  Luke We had a a long ramble before we started the episode,
• 1:26:40
  and we're going to have a slight ramble now.
• 1:26:42
  Now we've finished the episode. As we list our three fabulous
• 1:26:47
  things, Asylum and The Darling, this will be less of a challenge
• 1:26:51
  for you than it will be for me. Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Oh, my first one is the little mysteries that seem little, but
• 1:26:58
  actually the entire story, The milk and the eggs is such a good
• 1:27:05
  simple thing and it's resolved with a simple resolution, but
• 1:27:10
  that but it being a huge twist at the same time.
• 1:27:14
  They're also into Dalek. And when I was watching this I
• 1:27:17
  was always thinking about where she got the milk and the eggs
• 1:27:19
  from. It was a good simple mystery.
• 1:27:22
  And again, like the bow tie, fix it.
• 1:27:25
  Fixing your bow tie like you fix the marriage, the little
• 1:27:28
  touches, the little subtleties of little mysteries is
• 1:27:33
  definitely my favorite thing about this.
• 1:27:36
  My first one is going to be my ultimate contradiction in this
• 1:27:41
  episode, in that I don't like the soap part of it.
• 1:27:45
  And yet the soapiest scene in the entire fucking thing, which
• 1:27:48
  is Amy and Rory coming together and talking to each other, is so
• 1:27:52
  moving. I think the the two actors have
• 1:27:54
  such great chemistry and I think back to vampires of Venice,
• 1:27:59
  where I just, I don't see the same sort of chemistry there.
• 1:28:02
  I think they're they're sort of feeling their way in.
• 1:28:06
  I don't. Know are they being written or?
• 1:28:08
  I don't know if it's just early days for them acting alongside
• 1:28:11
  each other, but somewhere before the end of the fifth season they
• 1:28:16
  just clicked as that pairing. Maybe it was Amy's choice.
• 1:28:21
  I'm not sure. I'm not.
• 1:28:23
  I'm not sure exactly where it was.
• 1:28:25
  I think like Pandorica, when they have that talk which ends
• 1:28:30
  with him shooting her in the stomach, that's that's quite
• 1:28:34
  that sort of starts to cement them and then he does the whole
• 1:28:36
  weight in 2000. It's.
• 1:28:37
  Awkward moment in any relationship when that happens.
• 1:28:41
  And she and you wonder why she can't have kids.
• 1:28:43
  That rise through series 6. You and I talked about that
• 1:28:46
  scene in A Good Man Goes to War where they all come together
• 1:28:49
  with the baby and the chemistry is amazing.
• 1:28:52
  You get like high drama, like the end of The Girl who No, not
• 1:28:56
  the Girl died. What's it called?
• 1:28:58
  The Girl Who Waited where he has to shut the door on the elder
• 1:29:03
  Amy. You know, Amy and Rory are not
• 1:29:07
  my favorite companions, but I think come the end of their run
• 1:29:11
  and certainly throughout this half season, that might be the
• 1:29:17
  best chemistry between two companion actors that we're
• 1:29:20
  going to see. Oh yeah, which it should be
• 1:29:23
  because they're a married pair. But they've got that.
• 1:29:27
  The actors have gone on that whole experience together as
• 1:29:30
  well. They've kind of travelled the
• 1:29:31
  world, you know, They've conquered America.
• 1:29:33
  Yeah, see two actors that are just so in tune with each other.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah. Anyway, that's my first one,
• 1:29:39
  hey. My second one is Oswin Oswald.
• 1:29:42
  What? I am.
• 1:29:43
  What? What?
• 1:29:44
  I'm sorry, but what? Like well.
• 1:29:45
  Choose. Know the obvious ones.
• 1:29:47
  You need to be more obscure so I can nick the obvious ones.
• 1:29:49
  What a blast of fresh air. Like she's just, she's there and
• 1:29:53
  you just want her in Doctor Who. Like off the bat it's it's
• 1:29:58
  almost upsetting that you have to wait another four or five
• 1:30:00
  episodes for her to come back, even if she comes back
• 1:30:03
  differently or whatever. Even better as well.
• 1:30:06
  Yeah, I know, upgrade. But yeah, just a really fun
• 1:30:11
  character. Looks amazing and yeah, gets an
• 1:30:16
  amazing sort of storyline in this where the the one thing you
• 1:30:20
  never think would happen to a new companion has already
• 1:30:23
  happened. That is just a great twist.
• 1:30:28
  My second one is going to be just how strong the direction is
• 1:30:34
  in this episode, because if I've got shortcomings with the story,
• 1:30:38
  I certainly don't with how it's realized.
• 1:30:41
  And in particular, I love those scenes out on the snowy waists
• 1:30:46
  in Spain, Yes, which I think without them it would still have
• 1:30:50
  a sense of scale. But I think it's just something
• 1:30:53
  about Doctor Who, you know, when it goes out on really sort of
• 1:30:56
  stunning locations. Yeah, no, definitely.
• 1:30:59
  We're doing it a lot more these days.
• 1:31:01
  In the old series. It's just we sort of Planet of
• 1:31:03
  fire. Every now and again you go
• 1:31:05
  somewhere that you know it doesn't look like a back alley
• 1:31:07
  in London A. Planet of Fire shoots itself in
• 1:31:11
  the foot by being both Lanzarotti and a planet that
• 1:31:13
  looks like Lanzarotti. Is that my mind so much I've?
• 1:31:18
  Never understood that. But no Nick Koran.
• 1:31:22
  As I said earlier, I think he's really in tune with Moffat's
• 1:31:25
  vision. Of.
• 1:31:26
  Like, we're going to throw something sort of visually
• 1:31:29
  spectacular and distracting at the audience every couple of
• 1:31:33
  minutes to keep him interested. And he just sort of constantly
• 1:31:37
  UPS his game. So yeah, you have the snowy
• 1:31:39
  landscapes, then you've got, you know, the sort of wide shots of
• 1:31:42
  the asylum or the dripping water, and then you've got
• 1:31:45
  fucking ballerinas in the slow motion you.
• 1:31:48
  Know it's all going on. There's a reason he gets the
• 1:31:50
  50th job, isn't there? Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  What was he do apart from these two?
• 1:31:54
  I think, I think he did angels. Which is really well.
• 1:31:58
  Done. I think I could be wrong.
• 1:32:00
  He did the God complex which is. One of my favourites of this
• 1:32:04
  year. Yeah, it's quite flashy.
• 1:32:06
  Yeah. I feel like he did some 7 P
• 1:32:10
  maybe, but he doesn't. He doesn't come back after the
• 1:32:12
  50th for that thing. What?
• 1:32:14
  He weren't going to top back, was he?
• 1:32:19
  My third thing would be the the Parliament of the Daleks.
• 1:32:25
  Less so the idea I'd I'd like if you.
• 1:32:27
  If you don't call it that, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:32:31
  Just the whole spectacle of it. I just remember being there,
• 1:32:34
  watching that trailer at 6:00 in the morning, thinking shit in
• 1:32:37
  hell. There's loads of him like
• 1:32:40
  Doctor, he looks amazing. I can't wait to watch that
• 1:32:43
  episode. And it was that shot of
• 1:32:46
  spaceships out the window and them all being in a big circle
• 1:32:50
  and a little bit of love for the Paradigm Daleks as well.
• 1:32:53
  They're just hidden in there. I'm half convinced, you know,
• 1:32:56
  because you were up half the night watching the sensor eyes
• 1:33:00
  that any trailer that dropped even, you know, starring Art
• 1:33:03
  Malik, you would have been, yes, this.
• 1:33:06
  Is amazing, right? It's true, but yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Oh no, I need to think of 1/3. One, don't I?
• 1:33:14
  There must be something else I like about this.
• 1:33:16
  I did really like Murray girls. Music again in this Yeah, I saw
• 1:33:20
  a playful, fluting music that he does every now and again.
• 1:33:23
  Yeah, that, yeah, that happens, yeah.
• 1:33:27
  I'm glad you know what I'm talking about there.
• 1:33:29
  Got in there first. So my now it can't be the
• 1:33:33
  Daleks. I didn't like that be anything
• 1:33:35
  about the the 1st 15 minutes because I didn't like that.
• 1:33:40
  You like the atmosphere on the Alaska with the zombies.
• 1:33:45
  I've kind of done the direction really, haven't I?
• 1:33:47
  Over old ground. Over the eggs.
• 1:33:49
  I've never struggled to find a third thing.
• 1:33:53
  Help. Me, the eggs.
• 1:33:56
  I don't like the ending with the whole Doctor Who nonsense.
• 1:33:58
  Oh, it's not nonsense. We.
• 1:34:01
  Did that a few times, didn't we? Do you?
• 1:34:02
  Remember when Dorian Maldevore was like dogdo?
• 1:34:06
  A question of what's he say? Hidden in plain sight.
• 1:34:10
  I knew you would know. OK then, my third Oh yeah, of
• 1:34:15
  course. How can I forget this?
• 1:34:17
  The one question that must never, ever be answered.
• 1:34:21
  Doctor Who? God.
• 1:34:23
  Well. They're self referential, you
• 1:34:29
  know? And then there's that.
• 1:34:30
  But it is building up the name of the doctor, isn't it?
• 1:34:33
  Wait, it's all. It's all a big bitch.
• 1:34:35
  What a fuss about that as well. They're going to reveal his
• 1:34:38
  name. They're trying to destroy the
• 1:34:40
  series. Yeah.
• 1:34:42
  And then he pulled the rug out again.
• 1:34:43
  He made you look in One Direction.
• 1:34:44
  No, it's the title. It's.
• 1:34:46
  Yeah, it's really clever, the subversion of it.
• 1:34:49
  Well, he is a clever man. Yes.
• 1:34:52
  My third thing is going to be Jenna Coleman, so not.
• 1:34:59
  Cheat. No, it's not a cheat and it's
• 1:35:02
  because I'm starting to fantasy era bit.
• 1:35:06
  No, it's because I have. I'm convinced that Jenna Coleman
• 1:35:11
  is probably the strongest actress to play a companion.
• 1:35:17
  This is why I'm all over the place with Clara, because I
• 1:35:21
  really don't like the Clara we get Lombard with.
• 1:35:25
  But Jenna Coleman is such a good actress.
• 1:35:26
  You can actually usually ride the floors and still enjoy the
• 1:35:31
  character, but when she's given really great stuff to do, like
• 1:35:35
  she is here like she's in the snowman, I'm really a few more
• 1:35:39
  off. I think flatline.
• 1:35:40
  Clara gets a great role, I think in Dark Water, yes, as half of
• 1:35:45
  that, she gets a great role. Like when she is given brilliant
• 1:35:49
  stuff to do like this, she's the best.
• 1:35:53
  I don't think she's the best. I do think she's very, very
• 1:35:56
  good. I think we we said before that
• 1:35:58
  Moffett must just cast the sexiest women.
• 1:36:01
  But I do think she's. As well.
• 1:36:04
  And Jeremy Coleman are probably the two strongest acted
• 1:36:08
  companions of the modern series. Yeah, although they don't break
• 1:36:14
  my heart the way Catherine Tate does.
• 1:36:16
  No, that's true. It's.
• 1:36:18
  Weird. Isn't it?
• 1:36:19
  It's weird why we say it's it's like people always say Capaldi
• 1:36:22
  is the best actor Doctor. And I always think, did he just
• 1:36:25
  say that because like the public perceptionist taste, probably
• 1:36:29
  not the best of the the new ones, but like, you can see
• 1:36:33
  where they're coming from. I don't necessarily agree with
• 1:36:35
  it, but I see where they're coming from.
• 1:36:37
  Catherine Tate, I expect the comedy stick so that when she
• 1:36:40
  reaches inside my chest, takes my heart out and squeezes it in
• 1:36:43
  front of me, I'm taken aback a bit it.
• 1:36:47
  Is weird because if you flip the roles, there's there's no, I
• 1:36:50
  don't think Jenna Coleman could make.
• 1:36:52
  You could do what Catherine Tate does.
• 1:36:55
  Catherine Tate definitely couldn't do what Jenna Coleman
• 1:36:58
  does. So yeah, it's why we say things
• 1:37:02
  like it's the best acted. I don't really know, especially
• 1:37:05
  when we're not actors. But I think, I think when you
• 1:37:08
  come away from Doctor Who, Jenna Coleman is probably the
• 1:37:11
  strongest actress and she's had some of the best of work.
• 1:37:14
  Karen Gillan's done a couple of big movies.
• 1:37:17
  Yeah, you know, that's not high art, is it?
• 1:37:19
  It's not like what Jenna Coleman was doing over in Victoria,
• 1:37:23
  which is some serious fucking acting.
• 1:37:25
  Yeah, I'm the Serpent. And a lot of sex as well.
• 1:37:28
  Did you watch that? And the Serpent, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:37:32
  I'll be going on it. Up a tree, I can believe it.
• 1:37:37
  It's always, it's always like that in historical dramas.
• 1:37:41
  Bugger and Steven Moffat should write that.
• 1:37:44
  Luke That was a hugely enjoyable experience.
• 1:37:47
  But where are we heading next? Oh, are we going back to 1989
• 1:37:53
  with Peter Tyler? Oh God, this is.
• 1:37:58
  Always ones you love and I don't.
• 1:37:59
  That's kind of really interesting.
• 1:38:01
  Like, I've never known anyone to really hate Father's Day, but I
• 1:38:07
  I used to think it's the worst one of series one.
• 1:38:09
  So I've got. We might have a bit of common
• 1:38:12
  ground, but I've changed on it a lot.
• 1:38:14
  Why did it come in your ranking? 7th. 7th.
• 1:38:19
  Out of the wall Seventh, Yeah. All right again, 7th. 8th I
• 1:38:24
  think. Actually, yeah, 8th.
• 1:38:26
  I've forgotten that I can't. Remember it?
• 1:38:28
  Really. In the last two or three years
• 1:38:30
  it's really I climbed up there and I go to it quite a lot.
• 1:38:35
  I I've. I've got like several specific
• 1:38:38
  reasons why I really dislike that.
• 1:38:40
  And some of it's to do with Paul Connell's writing, some of it's
• 1:38:44
  to do with the heavy soap, and some of it's to the fact that
• 1:38:47
  the plot is to make no sense to me.
• 1:38:49
  And I'll be trying to untangle that as we go through it, but
• 1:38:52
  I'll be fascinating. I mean, I I know why a lot of
• 1:38:54
  people do like it, because it moves them a lot.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah, I do find it really moving.
• 1:39:00
  Well, we'll have to unpack that together on another day.
• 1:39:03
  Yeah, we will. That just leads me to say thank
• 1:39:06
  you very much for once again telling me why.
• 1:39:09
  I'm wrong. Thank you Joe for being wrong
• 1:39:13
  about everything. It's.
• 1:39:17
  A weird thing. Give a platform for people to
• 1:39:19
  come on and talk about something that they love that you hate.
• 1:39:23
  Tell you why you're. Wrong.
• 1:39:25
  One thing I will definitely say is I am certainly looking at a
• 1:39:31
  lot of this stuff in with fresh eyes now and I'm certainly
• 1:39:36
  seeing more strength in stories I would have just written off
• 1:39:39
  completely and that alone makes the exercise worthwhile.
• 1:39:42
  Oh yeah, 100%. Well, thank you very much.
• 1:39:46
  Thank you. I'll see.
• 1:39:47
  You next time. Bye.